Blue Jays president Mark Shapiro joined Sportsnet’s Tim and Sid (link to YouTube) to discuss the state of the team’s offseason efforts. He emphasized that “there’s still a good amount of offseason left” and suggested further additions are yet to come.
Shapiro acknowledged that the market has driven salaries higher than anticipated. In response, the club has “adjusted our threshold on players and gone … a certain percentage higher than we thought we would go.”
That still hasn’t resulted in any major additions, with Shapiro explaining that a variety of circumstances have kept the Jays from locking up certain targets. One particular challenge, he suggested, lies in convincing players of the team’s readiness to win games. That seems to present a bit of a chicken/egg dilemma, though obviously the organization hopes that its on-field output will improve from within as well as benefiting from new additions.
So what of the hoped for “significant additions”? Shapiro says the club has “already added” — a nod to the still-unofficial Tanner Roark and Shun Yamaguchi additions — and is “not done this winter.” (Shapiro suggests the club values Yamaguchi for his ability to provide rotation depth and “upside out of the pen.” ) But Shapiro acknowledged it’s less likely now than it once was that the club will install one major player, though he made clear he’s still holding out hope.
Shapiro asks that the organization be judged at the end of the winter and based upon the entirety of the roster movement that occurs. He believes there’ll be “significant” improvement by that standard when camp opens in the spring.
But Shapiro also left some unmistakable warnings not to expect too much. He cited the need to maintain “future flexibility” for a hoped-for “window of opportunity,” explaining that the organization must “grudgingly approach giving up that flexibility.” And when asked about potentially adding to the position-player mix, Shapiro used the opportunity to explain why the organization is hesitant to “give up” on certain players, proffering Teoscar Hernandez and Derek Fisher as examples.
Wilford Brimley
Tim and Sid? Bummer… Ben Nicholson-Smith missed out on an exclusive!
Wilford Brimley
BTW do u guys like my new pic yes or no plz
steelerbravenation
Yes
riffraff
I personally would have opted to use the Family Guy cartoon version but to each their own
BigNateisComing
Noooooooooooooo
Paul Miller
Diabeetus
ForestCobraAL
and is “not done this winter.”
Oh boy! Shap’s got his dumpster diving duds on. He’s got more for ya!
I’ve read that the Blue Jays being Canada’s team is a 35 million people market with ratings that exceed any American team.
turner9
Canada is the Bluejays market except the further away from TO you get the less fans you’ll encounter
Of course there are sports fans in western Canada who probably own a Jays hat or something but because of distance are precluded from enjoying the games live.
You also find people in BC are Seattle fans or Winnipeg has Minnesota fans, Quebec has a hard time cheering for any TO based team
But the part that gets overlooked is the TV revenue and Merchandise
Rogers owns the team. And the cable company it airs on. And the Stadium they play in
That’s worth alot. They dont need to fill the stadium to profit, they simply need eyeballs on the TV
ForestCobraAL
A 35 million market is a lot larger than New York and Chicago combined.
charlesk
Plus unlike NY, LA and Chicago – the three larger MLB markets than the GTA – there is only one baseball team in town to compete with the NBA, NHL and MLS franchises.
scarfish
I wonder how much of Canada’s baseball market the Mariners occupy
ForestCobraAL
Almost nothing.
One Bite Hotdog
just watch a Mariners home game when host the Blue Jays and the answer will be clear.
TheBoatmen
Not sure that is true about the ratings but they are the 4th largest market in North America. One thing I heard last week was that as far as owners go the Jays have the richest owners in the league. Looking at the Rogers stock it shows 32B in market capital. However Rogers won’t allow the Blue Jays to not make a profit it is just another business to them. If the Jays want a Cole they’ve got to pack the stadium. If you put under 2M in the seats you get Tanner Roark.
ForestCobraAL
The TV revenue is enormous. A 35 million market dwarfs New York City.
clepto
hey idiot, when you going to get off your high horse about ownership spending?? its old and tiresome.
Fact: you are not a financial advisor.
Fact: you know far less about baseball economics than they do.
Fact: you know far less on how tv ratings translates to financial gain.
Fact: you know little to nothing on currency exchange rates.
Fact: you know next to nothing on all inclusive operating expenses of a major league baseball team.
Fact: no one cares what you have to say. Your opinion is equal to zero.
TheBoatmen
Yes but the Jays are not seeing that Revenue, Rogers cable is reaping those rewards. Blue Jays Revenue last year was 265M. The Yankees were 665M granted merchandising makes up a lot of that too.
ForestCobraAL
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
A Guy
NYY is an international brand. Jays are not even close.
its_happening
Boatmen – also factor the losses from hockey.
SheltonMatthews
Actually, to most people on here, they are technically the only international brand.
Dabofus going to the Padres game
None of those are facts. Just your opinion about someone on the internet who’s getting under your skin.
One Bite Hotdog
not to mention they own the network
A Guy
its not about profit, it is the way publicly traded corporations are allowed to operate. A business unit, which the Jays are of Rogers, has very limited financial flexibility. Going into debt is problematic.
charlesk
Rogers has $17 billion in debt against $36 billion in assets. From those assets they generate an after-tax & interest payments profit of over $2 billion per year.
They are cheap on Jays spending versus the over $200 million per year in ticket, concession & merchandise sales plus Sportsnet rights contract.
A Guy
Except they are 23rd in revenue, less than half the NYY and the Bosox. And the fact they are “Canada’s team”, is much overblown. A lot of casual fairweather fans up here.
ForestCobraAL
How do you know what the Blue Jays revenue is?
How much does Rogers Cable make broadcasting the Jays games to a market of 35 million?
Forbes is never a source either. Understand that. Forbes said Donald Trump was one of the the Top 400 richest in the 1980’s and a month later he filed for bankruptcy. Forbes is propaganda.
I want real numbers.
ForestCobraAL
How do you know what the Blue Jays revenue is?
How much does Rogers Cable make broadcasting the Jays games to a market of 35 million?
Forbes is never a source either. Understand that. Forbes said the Big orange Casino owner with the red hats was one of the the Top 400 richest in the 1980’s and a month later he filed for bankruptcy. Forbes is propaganda.
I want real numbers.
A Guy
statista.com/statistics/193466/total-league-revenu…
clepto
and any of your stupid posts are not propoganda???
One Bite Hotdog
you’re one post away from typing in all CAPS
Le Grande Orangerie
Ha! Blue Jays are so much ‘Canada’s team’ that the club was for sale for years in the 90’s with no takers and about to be moved or contracted when Rogers bought it to keep it in Toronto. Shapiro is the first major executive who ever agreed to move there, and the Toronto fans hate him because having a real major league executive shows what a hick fanbase it is, with perennial bottom of the barrel attendance. They come out for the novelty of winning for a few years then go back to their major pursuits – hockey and whinging on the internet claiming they’re ‘victims’.
TheBoatmen
There was never talk about the Jays moving, not sure where you got your info from. After the 1993 WS there was a hostile takeover of Labatts by Interbrew. Labatts owned the Blue Jays which was the 3rd most valuable franchise behind the Yankees and Dallas Cowboys. Interbrew decided they didn’t want a baseball team they were sold temporarily in which time the payroll was slashed to $30M. It took a while to find new ownership but you can say that about any franchise. What franchise gets bought and sold that quickly? Had nothing to do with it being Toronto and nobody wanting the team. Even when Rogers bought the team they were in competition with another business.
mike156
“Future flexibility” sounds a lot like “we need to be flexible to not spend in the future either…”
WideWorldofSports
Gotta love the use of executive flowery language to cover up the fact that they aren’t going to do anything of significance this offseason. I guess us it’s supposed to confuse / make feel better us simple folk.
solaris602
Those of us in CLE totally feel your pain. The good news is that after another year or two of these speeches, all you’ll hear is static when Shapiro opens his mouth. Trust me, the static is much more interesting than the actual content.
Vandals Took The Handles
LOL
All those buzzphrases he used = “Window of Opportunity”, “Flexibility”, etc. – exactly the same he used on Cleveland year-after-year. After they removed him from Baseball Ops, the team started to develop players and subsequently won.
charlesk
Exactly, it was Antonetti and Chernoff who built the playoff teams this decade, not Shapiro (or Atkins who he first hired almost 20 years ago). Why Rogers allowed him back into baseball operations in Toronto remains a mystery to fans. I still think it’s to tear down the organization to prepare it for sale.
charlesk
Exactly, it was Antonetti and Chernoff who built the Indians’ playoff teams this decade, not Shapiro (or Atkins, who he first hired almost 20 years ago).
Why Rogers allowed him back into baseball operations in Toronto remains a mystery to fans. I still think it’s to tear down the organization to prepare it for sale.
jimmertee
I don’t know about others but I have been hearing nothing but static and lies from Shapiro since 2015.
Nocahoma55
We feel your pain Toronto. Same kinda talk from AA down here in ATL all the time. Good luck being owned by a corporate entity!
ForestCobraAL
Atlanta is the same size market as Boston.
Metsfan78
Translation it’s all talk no action, as a Mets fan I’m used to that already.
Reminds me of the Mets every year during the start of the off season, how the team’s executives would get “sticker shock” at the prices in the FA market. Also how the team was “monitoring” a players market and nothing would happen.
Same with the Jays they will monitor the market make a low to mid low level signing and promise flexibility for the future.
But it’s not only the Jays and Mets the Twins are doing a great job of that themselves this off season.
jturk
Try being a pirate fan, then complain about spending flexibility. oh….wait, our owner just doesn’t spend, so never mind
ForestCobraAL
I don’t recall the Blue Jays ever having a real payroll.
The Braves did when Ted Turner owned them but the Jays have always cried poor. The Jays TV contract is the largest in MLB. It’s completely hidden because the cable broadcaster owns the team.
casorgreener
If it’s hidden, how do you know it is the largest? I assure you it’s not
ForestCobraAL
35 million TV market. That’s almost New York and Los Angeles put together.
SheltonMatthews
Just because the market is the largest, doesn’t mean it’s the best contract. Since it’s all run by the same company, Rogers could easily pocket whatever amount they want and pass along very little to the Jays budget if they so desired.
ForestCobraAL
Special kind of stupid.
Paul Miller
Always cried poor? The Jays had the highest payroll in MLB when they won in ’92 and ’93. I think you need to get your facts straight before making assumptions on crying poor.
Sure, they had issues in the later part of the 90’s with the dollar sinking as low as 55 cents to 1 US dollar, but that was understandable during that time.
TBJ12
The Jays has a substantially higher payroll in 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018 than the Braves have ever carried. The Jays are a large marker and have acted as such many times in the recent past. They also get plenty of fans when winning, including leading the AL East in attendance in 2016.
ForestCobraAL
The Braves had top payrolls for two decades under Ted Turner.
The Blue Jays have never had a top payroll.
NEVER
jimmertee
Blue Jays top Payroll ’93.
Vandals Took The Handles
@ ForestCobraAL
LOL
The Braves won nothing with Turner’s spending.
Finally – as with George Steinbrenner – he turned the franchise over to his “baseball people” to build a farm system. Took John Scherholtz a few years, but the Braves then became annual contenders – consistently winning division titles, a number of NL pennants and a World Series Championship.
Guy4thenorth
I don’t get it I guess. Why did they trade Stroman? They should of extended him.
dalrob
Because Stroman is an idiot. Not a team guy and not a person they wanted around the next generation.
melochejohn
No one really has a true answer on that.
One one hand Marcus embraced the city and noted his desire to stay but its hard to 100% say how genuine that is.
Possible reasons:
1. They were way to far off on the numbers it would take to extend him, either he demanded a ton or they would not pay a competitive price.
2. They didn’t like his attitude. Marcus is a very strong personality, its part of his competitive edge. There was not much indication it was a clubhouse or team issue. He seems to have close relationships with several former team members. Him and Sanchez had a public dislike of each other after initially being best buds.
3. They wanted to build the farm vs extend him
4. They really like Kay & SWR and felt that was better than having him for 1.5 seasons.
Personally I felt like because they struggle to get FA and have a bad history of developing pitchers, he was a guy we needed to keep. For some reason they did not see it that way.
coldbeer
He’s a head case.
firegibby
Lol Atkins said significant signings lol. They still think TH is good and that Fisher is gonna b a star lol.
BigNateisComing
I don’t disagree with Shapiro, give Teo another year, don’t forget Eddy and Jose, sometimes it takes a while to find your groove, not saying it will happen, but it could, no harm in waiting a little longer
firegibby
Edwin always hit when he played more than 100 games.
Paul Miller
It took Edwin almost 6 seasons before coming into his own. There is a reason why the Jays DFA’d him at one point.
canadianyankee
All it would take is to field a competitive team, they did it in 90-93 and you couldn’t get near the concrete monstrosity they call a centre…2014-16 it was near impossible to get a decent ticket…that city is starved for a championship type team and we all saw it with the way they celebrated the Raptors title…the fans come out in droves when the team is winning…then ownership pockets it and cries poor…I like it as a yankee fan because there’s one less competitor…but as a baseball fan it sucks that ownership doesn’t put money back into the team
firegibby
Those early 90’s years Jay’s were #1 in payroll.
Mario93
Yankees fan ….. hmm….
ForestCobraAL
The TV revenue for the Blue Jays is so enormous they don’t need to have one fan in the stands to make more money than the Pirates and Reds could generate together with sold out ballparks.
A Guy
Source?
ForestCobraAL
Google: Population of Canada.
If you were born on the wrong side of the Bell Curve I can’t help you.
A Guy
Ok, I will keep it civil. TV revenue and population are not the same thing.
ForestCobraAL
The Jays do not need fans in the stands.
They generate the most TV revenue by far. It’s a market almost equal to New York and Los Angeles combined.
casorgreener
You clearly don’t know his markets work.
clepto
He clearly does not know how ANYTHING works.
SheltonMatthews
The other thing about markets, just because it’s big, doesn’t mean people will actually watch. That’s part of the deal. Since 2016 ended there hasn’t been a reason to, they’ve sucked.
ForestCobraAL
They don’t have TV ratings in Canada like they do in the USA?
Who are the advertisers on Blue Jays games? Lumberjack Joe’s Used cars or Apple and Samsung? Who is the big beer company in Canada? I’ll bet they own exclusive beer advertising on Blue Jays games and pay big for it.
35 million market. Eye balls.
melochejohn
I don’t have the hard numbers on me but I have seen it said that the Blue Jays have very strong and competitive TV numbers. What is not as well known is their TV revenue deal.
Their owner Rogers owns the TV network Sportsnet which has the rights to the TV. So essentially they own/employ the TV Station, the bulk of media covering the team., the radio station and the most prominent web coverage.
They do publicly release some information but it would be near impossible to really know how much they make or loose. The belief is that they like most teams make a lot of money regardless of what it says on paper.
30 Parks
The manner in which the Jays routinely present themselves as a small market club is not only misleading, but genuinely puzzling. Too many Jays fans are sheep from the Sportsnet flock – genuine Jays fans, of which there are many and each is well-informed, deserve better. In one quarter of the 2018 fiscal year (July-September) Rogers Corporation revenue was $3.77 billion dollars. Small market? No money? Sheep, sheep, sheep.
A Guy
How much of that revenue was earned by the Blue Jays. You need to read up on publically traded corporations and the ability of a business unit to go into debt. That is why there has been discussion of transferring the Jays to Eddie Rogers and out of Rogers corporation. That is what fans should be hoping for.
30 Parks
The Jays generate minimal money because of their refusal to year-in-year-out field a competitive squad. It’s the chicken and egg routine. Rogers is not appropriately allocating funds so as to draw deserved attention to the Jays – “you have to spend money to make money.” Look at the Jays’ squads during the Anthopoulous-run playoff years, Jays fans were rabid about those teams and rightfully so. Rogers has more than enough money to accommodate such a competitive structure on a yearly basis, but they are instead choosing to maintain a ‘small market’ discipline despite having a world class city, not to mention an entire country, of fans from which to generate interest (money). If the Jays front office would only move-off the worn out, residual motif of the JP Ricciardi era and genuinely attempt to compete, I have no doubt Jays fans would respond in kind – the Jays are not a small market entity in any regard, despite what the front office is telling its understandably frustrated fan base.
Vandals Took The Handles
LOL
Yes, AA spent plenty and yes, the fans turned out.
But he also bought and brought in players at large salaries on long-term contracts in which the salaries were going even higher. After the team peaked, the Jays were stuck with a bunch of declining old guys that could not be moved, that were eating up a disproportionate percentage of the payroll – hampering the Jays from making any other moves.
Note that it a[pears that AA learned his lesson, as he’s been making more savvy, surgical moves in Atlanta as opposed to the blockbusters that satisfy the fans for one year, then paint the franchise into a corner for years afterword. Refer to Cubs-Epstein and Padres-Preller for more recent examples. (Next year you can look at Phillies-Klentak).
30 Parks
The Blue Jays chose to hang on to those players too long – chose. The Jays current front office made that mistake. The Jays have a long history of making that same mistake (eg. Halladay, Rios, Wells, Delgado, etc). Are you suggesting the Jays should not have gone for it during AA’s tenure? You’re suggesting the Jays only playoff run in decades was orchestrated in error? Nonsense. AA is the only Jays’ GM in a couple decades that has demonstrated an aggressive desire to win. Run along, now, you’re missing Sportsnet and won’t know what to say tomorrow. Sheep.
its_happening
Halladay was traded during his peak (big loss on the deal). Wells was dealt and that contract was considered hard to deal. Rios was a pure salary dump. Delgado was kept because JP Ricciardi was the worst GM in baseball. Jays didn’t even receive a supplemental pick for Delgado.
Donaldson, Smoak, Tepera, Pillar – all should have been traded at the 2017 deadline, possibly Estrada and Happ too. All were kept, nothing was returned. Complete waste.
Hard to give AA credit when he’s mismanagement in 2014-15 offseason had the team stumble around .500 for over half the season. Scherzer was the guy to get and they didn’t do it.
30 Parks
Absurd – all absurd. Halladay traded at his peak? Come on. Sheep, sheep, sheep. Only Jays fans would complain about making the playoffs after decades of mediocrity.
its_happening
17-10 with a 2.79 ERA and making his 6th all-star appearance isn’t his peak? Were you born yesterday? A WAR of 6.9 in 2009 and 6.2 in 2008. I’d say the fact you questioned what I said is absurd. Halladay, in 2009, was at the top of his game. AA got blown up in that trade. He had a few.
My only complaint is the Jays only made it twice with Bautista and Edwin between 2012-2016. Add Donaldson and they still had a window that was closed shut hard.
GB85
I’m still annoyed by the Grichuk extension…what an overpay for that guy. If and when Atkins hands out more contracts I hope they aren’t that bad.
ForestCobraAL
The Jays could write thirty of those and still make mad profits from their TV revenue.
firegibby
I doubt the Jay’s made money last year. Attendance dropped 55ok plus and TV audience was way down also.
TheBoatmen
Revenue was 265M vs 278M 2 years ago.
its_happening
Expenses? Because if expenses were $300-mil, nobody cares about the revenue.
its_happening
The hockey deal is the only real excuse Rogers has. Aside from that, they:
– Own the baseball team
– Own the stadium
– Own the broadcasting rights
– Own the media holding all TV and Radio broadcasts
Rogers holds the cards when it comes to the baseball team. They broadcast to 35-40 million people across Canada. Fans make the presence known in places like Seattle and Detroit because they don’t live close to Toronto to support their team. Could Toronto afford Gerrit Cole? Absolutely. The Cole jerseys would have been selling faster than a Taylor Swift album. Tanner Roark jerseys? Not so much.
The Jays play the lower stock options rather than investing in higher stock in-fear that stock will drop. It’s the business model this market is accustomed to, right or wrong.
ForestCobraAL
Rogers owns everything and that gives them the ability to hide everything.
its_happening
Your point?
Despite the ability the Blue Jays have to spend I can also make a strong case against spending. Toronto is a hockey-first city and an argument can be made basketball is now #2 because of our diversity. That’s just in Toronto. The fanbase walked away from a two-time defending World Series championship team once. They are capable of doing it again. I can understand why Rogers would be apprehensive.
That said, the 2015-16 teams were undone by ownership this time around. The fans were ready for a World Series.
ForestCobraAL
The Jays TV market dwarfs the Yankees.
#Facts
its_happening
Again, your point?
Freddie Morales
They should be in on guys like ozuna and Castellanos and Encarnacion. Maybe dark horse for Donaldson even. Be a potent offense
Ducey
That’s exactly what poorly run franchises would do. Load up on a bunch of middle of the road, past their prime guys who will take up playing time from the kids and jam up payroll when the team is ready to contend.
We know that signing big name free agents usually leads to a poor outcome, yet if the team shows some restraint, they get accused of being cheap.
I am fine with them finding out what they really have in Vlad, Bo, Biggio, Jansen, Rowdy and some of the OF’s. Most of those guys have less than a year’s AB’s.
They have some nice pitching prospects and when some of them are ready, that is when this team can worry about competing.
yella_fella
I don’t mind the approach of letting the kids play and avoiding overpaying in free agency… I get that. I’m quite happy letting our position players work it out.
My big problem is with the pitching. We have quantity in the upper minors but I would argue that it’s not quality. Other than Pearson, who do we have that projects as a 1-2? Maybe Kay at best and everyone else will likely be bottom of the rotation so this year’s free agency is/was a good opportunity to add someone like a Ryu and/or Keuchel who could be our 1-2 until higher potential pitchers like Manoah and SWR are ready.
I get that we didn’t have a chance at the true upper tier but the Jays could easily add $40M annually for 3-4 years for Ryu AND Keuchel without having to sacrifice a draft pick instead of spending $21M on Roark & Anderson. We should be adding money during the pre-arb years for Vladdy & Bo and while payroll is dirt cheap.
A rotation of Pearson, Ryu, Keuchel, Kay, Thornton with Shoemaker/Borucki/SRF/Zeuch/Waguespack as depth or swingmen in the pen allows the Jays to take a step forward this year as a .500 team and build for actual contention in 2021.
My issue as a fan is that Shatkins talk and talk and talk about being aggressive and we all know that Rogers has the resources yet we’re stuck with adding mediocrity at best.
ForestCobraAL
The Blue Jays had the money for Rendon, Cole and Strasburg.
That would have worked. They would still have fat profits. The ratings would have rocketed, but the Jays are a huge, fat profit item on Rogers books every year. It’s consistent and that’s what they want it to remain. No volatility.
Take the Blue Jays away from Rogers and let the Jays sign a public TV deal with another entity and Rogers might be in some financial difficulty. The Jays are probably their most profitable property.
Ducey
So the Blue Jays are incompetent/ cheap because they did not sign Cole, Strasburg, and Rendon for $671 million (or whatever amount higher they would have had to go to convince them to come to Canada/ play for a rebuild).
Ok then.
TheBoatmen
Do you know anything about Rogers? Mobile, cable, home phone, internet, home security, Publishing…all more profitable than the Blue Jays. As big as Rogers has one real competitor and that is Bell which is probably double Rogers. Between the two of them they have a monopoly across Canada for all of those services. Revenue from the Blue Jays is a drop in the bucket but they are all treated as separate divisions.
Jays21
I would like to see Eddy come back and for them to sign Ryu. As for the outfield Joc Pederson from the Dogers would be my target as he is rumored to be avalible
rivera42
“significant improvement by that standard”? Oh stop BSing, you horrible baseball ops head you.
yella_fella
Pretty frustrating but not surprising.
Shapiro was hired to run the business…. so his focus has been renovating the Rogers Centre, negotiating and building the new spring training complex in Dunedin, etc. Unfortunately, the on field product has suffered and his corporate clichés are getting very tiresome.
The Jays strike me as penny wise and pound foolish. Rogers controls ALL streams of revenue through vertical integration… they control the product on the field and the stadium they play in (ticket sales), broadcasting (content), advertising, merchandise and the cable tv packages sold to millions of consumers nationwide. Rogers has a huge mobile network (cell phones) and pushes streaming of games as well so they literally control all direct and ancillary revenue that is Jays related which is why it’s mind boggling that they don’t run a top 5 payroll.
Toronto is the largest unshared market in baseball. New York, LA and Chicago all have two teams whereas the Jays solely control most of the Canadian market. As evidenced by the massive success of the 15-16 playoff runs, the support for a winning team is here and would easily justify increased spending on players.
The fact that Shapiro is now actively trying to manage expectations is not a good thing so I suspect the 2020 rotation will be one of the worst in MLB.
ForestCobraAL
And they can tell Blue Jays fans anything they want about revenue because it’s all hidden from them.
charlesk
I’ve heard between $70-200mn a year from the Sportsnet rights and $10-20mn a year from non-baseball related ticket & concession revenues at Rogers Centre (which Rogers purchased for $25mn or 1/20th of the cost to build it!).
That obviously doesn’t include 81 baseball home game revenues, merchandise sales or other ancillary revenues.
There is no question that Rogers and Shapiro are being cheap after raising ticket prices on the 1.75 million fans who showed up in 2019.
its_happening
Well put Fella.
wallywhack
What, exactly, has Shpiro done to make Rogers Centre any less like watching a ball game inside the Millenium Falcon? Rail deck park, anyone?
ForestCobraAL
Remember: No Hollywood movie ever made money according to the accounting department.
Hollywood studios controlled what was seen just as Rogers Cable controls what Blue Jays fans can see.
wallywhack
Dallas Keuchel
Daniel Hudson
Will Harris
*crickets*
Ducey
If only we had some data on the impact Hudson would have on the Jays’ winning percentage…
longsuffering
To all of those going on about merchandise. The team only takes in revenue from merchandise sold in team shops. Revenue from Merchandise sold in non-team shops gets divided equally between all 30 teams. The hat you bought at SportChek gives equal revenue to the Yankees as it does to the Blue Jays.
its_happening
“The team only takes in revenue from merchandise sold in team shops.”
That hurts your point.
longsuffering
Considering there are a very limited number of Jays Shops, and many non-Jays outlets to buy merch, I’m not sure it does.
Marner#16
He’s cheap his ways continue just like in Cleveland. This team is a mess… hence offering $5 beers so you can get hammered at the games. I’ll get hammered at home with a 24 instead for a heck of alot cheaper!!!
ForestCobraAL
The Blue Jays would be run the same way under Brian Cashman.
Rogers Cable steals all the money, over $150 million US every year.
Jays21
I would like to see Eddy come back and for them to sign Ryu. As for the outfield Joc Pederson from the Dogers would be my target as he is rumored to be avalible
jimmertee
Everyone was warned in these pages back at the end of 2016 about Shapiro and that the Jays were not going to come close to winning anything for years.
As long as Shapiro and Atkins are operating, the Jays will NOT win a world series. Forget about it.
What comes out of Shapiro’s mouth most of the time is nonsense.
The only solution to fixing the Jays is to replace Shapiro or take away all baseball decisions from him and hire an elite baseball guy to replace him.
charlesk
That’s what Cleveland did, replacing him with Chris Antonetti in 2010 and removing him from baseball-related decisions. Why Rogers thought they should allow him to participate in baseball-related decisions despite a losing record over 14 seasons in Cleveland (and not one World Series appearance) remains a mystery. The only explanation is that they wanted to prepare the franchise for sale?
terrymesmer
Haha! Charles used to say, “20-plus seasons as an executive in Cleveland and not one World Series appearance,” then when we pointed out that was wrong, he changed it to 17 seasons, and now he’s finally down to 14 seasons. Charles never mentions Shapiro’s two wins as executive of the year.
charlesk
14 seasons in Cleveland and 4 in Toronto is 18 – thanks for your clarity. That’s a huge sample size for such losers (.485 record over those 18 seasons, no World Series). Anthopoulos also won Executive of the Year, but Shappy has torn down what he built because he has a tender ego,
charlesk
It does seem hypocritical of Shapiro and Atkins to sign a player who was suspended in 2017 for violating NPB rules after a physical assault. He was suspended for the remainder of that season after being accused of causing bodily harm and property damage at a hospital in Tokyo’s Meguro Ward. NPB fined him 1/300th of his salary per day from July 11 through the end of the 2017 season, with the total cost of his alleged outburst likely in excess of ¥100 million (roughly $913,000).
He is accused of shoving a male security guard in the chest, causing him to crash into a desk, leaving bruising on his lower back that lasted for two weeks. He also reportedly damaged a door at the hospital.
Shatkins dumped Roberto Osuna after he was also suspended (for 75 games) for violating the league’s policy on domestic assault.
So is the message here that physical assault is okay if the victim is a man, but not a woman?
Seems utterly hypocritical that the Shatkins defenders and fan boys on this site and others are defending Yamaguchi’s behaviour all while hammering Osuna!
coldbeer
Sounds like he got into a fight and was punished for it. Move on.
charlesk
A fight with a security guard who he assaulted? And was suspended and fined almost $1 million for? And yet Osuna is a pariah?
charlesk
A fight with a security guard who he assaulted? And was suspended and fined almost $1 million for? And yet Osuna is a pariah? This is called “hypocrisy”.
coldbeer
I don’t understand why there are so many people with a bone to pick with Shapiro. Get off it already. The rebuild is still in a very early stage and he can’t just snap his fingers and sign guys like Cole or Strasburg because fans want him to. He cant just rip off other GMs with lopsided trades to boost the team now. Give it a little more time here, they’ve drafted and developed well under his direction and it takes time.
terrymesmer
Jimmer is insane and Charles can’t decide if he wants to be a fulltime conspiracy theorist or just part-time.
charlesk
Because he has an 18 year record of failure with a .485 win-loss record and no World Series. He hired Atkins after he’d hung up his spikes, so they have failed together over a huge sample size. And Atkins has yet to acquire a single 3+ WAR player in four years (Happ was signed by LaCava). Which makes him a fraud.
Just eating salary, drafting and buying bus tickets from Buffalo for rookies, and making minor trades and signings is not a rebuild strategy. Other teams draft & develop better than the Jays, and most of us could execute the same rebuild strategy with good scouts and free analytics. Atkins seemingly doesn’t understand the alchemy of advanced metrics like Cashman, Bloom, Luhnow, Chernoff, Falvey and Stearns.
crazylarry
AKA we were brought here to shop at Wal Mart and GoodWill , so we will never win.
kelticknotz
You really have to like Shapiro, the man can talk out of both sides of his mouth and look so serious. Quote we aren’t finished yet, we have player we want but can’t convince them to play for us. Quote: Don’t expect anything major.
This basically means that players look at what management has done with the team and don’t want to play for an organization in chaos. And don’t expect anything big means we will be signing more players that no one else wants and would sign for pennies.