With the top end of the relief market going off the board early, teams looking for elite pen arms have been eyeing trade possibilities. The most intriguing of those: star Brewers lefty Josh Hader, who was recently reported to have been made available in talks. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic recently updated the market situation (subscription link).
Left-handed American League East hitters will be particularly distraught to learn that the Yankees “have been the most active pursuer” of Hader. The Yanks already possess two dynamic southpaws in Aroldis Chapman and Zack Britton. Having already brought in Chapman and Gerrit Cole this offseason, a move for Hader would make a stunning trifecta of high-powered arms.
Other clubs have also put in calls to Brewers GM David Stearns. The list includes the Dodgers and Mets, according to Rosenthal. No doubt a variety of other organizations are also checking in to see whether it might be possible to structure a mutually agreeable trade. Hader could take over as a traditional closer or function as a roving high-leverage out-getter, as suits a given team’s preferences.
Hader’s appeal lies not only in his strikeout-producing left arm, but also his age (26 in April) and contract rights. He’s controllable for four more seasons through the arbitration process. Those won’t come cheap, as Hader projects to earn $4.6MM as a Super Two and could yet attempt to argue for more in a high-stakes hearing. (A prior attempt to shake up the arb system for relievers didn’t work out for Dellin Betances, though Hader has more saves to his record.) Still, it’s a far sight shy of what it would cost to acquire a similar pitcher on the open market — not that it’s even possible to do so.
Brewers giving up on 2020 …..oh wait……….they didn’t have a chance to win anyway !
Phillies are going to join those clubs too. Hader could be with the Phillies next season. Watch.
Hader wouldnt last that long in the city of Philadelphia.
Boom!!!
believe me, if he’s half conpetent then everyone will be perfectly fine with him. he’s Papelbon but without the attitude.
Leave the dog whistles and labels for a political site.
generally Id agree, but it is relevant in talking about player moves
Nor should he. His act would play better Down South…
Painting with a wide brush there, Ry.the. In which bastion of cultural harmony do you reside?
Yeah you probably said the same thing the last two years too. Blah blah blah.
It says they have called the Brewers not the other way around. If they want to overpay to trade for him I am sure the Brewers will do it. Why not?
Agree. I would hope the Brewers would make the Yankees pay extremely high price for Hader.
Hader, Braun and Suter for Keibert, Seager, and Joc
No.
And a side of crack. Smh.
LoL funny guy
Ah, no. Unless the Indians give up Lindor cheap, and they won’t. Turner may need to play 1st and Seager would move to 3rd (kicking and screaming) or they’d still need to acquirer another 3rd baseman. I doubt LA is ready to put too much on Lux yet,
My comment was in reference to the original saying they didn’t have a chance in 2020…I have no issue with teams willing to burn the farm on Hader
This comment doesn’t not make sense. Trading a single player does not remove them from contention.
I know right? The Brewers we’re really never going to contend this next season.
That’s not what he meant. Do people forget that the Brewers still have one of the very best young hitters in baseball? Oh and in addition to the aforementioned Keston Hiura, they also have Christian Yelich. Keep sleeping.
And pitching that is brutal along with ZERO in the farm.
to be fair most said the same for 2019 and look what happened.
And 2018
So we have yet another team in the throes of rebuilding? They will exchange their best pitcher for what, “prospects”. Why even play the games?
Yeah because as we all know, a closer is what puts you over the top. Didn’t the Brewers dismissal come on strong in 2018 and 2019 too?
where the hell are the Phillies on this guy?
They don’t have the ammo. Mets can offer a good starting pitcher. Dodgers have prospects coming out of their behinds. I’m sure the Phils would love to grab him but you’re talking about the best relief pitcher in baseball, 26 years old, with four years of control. If you don’t have a top 25 overall prospect,or a very good young controllable major leaguer that you can offer, the Brewers aren’t picking up the phone.
Lol, what good starting pitcher are the Mets trading for Hader?
Matz
2 years of Matz isn’t gonna move the needle.
probably dont want to pay the cost foe him. unless they’ll take EDLS or Moniak as headliners, they wolnt make a move. id try and include Medina, but they like him too much to trade him, so its not happening.
If Yanks get Hader you might as well just hand them the trophy
I feel like this is said every year. Love how dynamic baseball competitiveness has become
Oriole the Yankees haven’t signed any of the top free agents in a long time. And why do ppl complain your teams can do the same thing but they rather make money then win. Every single team has a super rich owner they dont spend money in their teams cause to them its just a business they love losing and collecting free money from the teams that actually want to win. Enough complaining about small market and all this other BS your teams owner dont give a crap about you they dont even care if you show up for their games cause they will get that competitive balance tax money anyway we should just call it welfare.
Haven’t spent on top free agents but have swung big trades the past two off seasons and took on payroll because of it
No one outside of NY cares one iota about the Yankees financial advantages over this league.
They should win the World Series, on paper every year.
But…. ?? Shhhhhhhhh1
I hope the Yanks do get Hader. As an Orioles fan that would be a good thing for now. Let them empty out the farm while we rebuild.
Yeah they haven’t bought anyone, but they can afford more dead money than the rest of the teams and that’s where it counts. What do you think the craftier and more clever teams like the A’s and Rays would look like if they took on the inevitable albatross that is Stanton? What about Ellsbury? Those franchises would have brushed up with going under. NY fans are the same every year. Ignoring mistake after mistake because their big-market team can afford them.
Hate to break it to you, but the Yankee farm system is very solid particularly at the lower levels. Jasson Dominguez, AKA, the Martian, is just entering the system and in 3 years will be the next big thing.
Grabbing Cole AND Hader, plus the return of Sevy, Stanton, Andujar, and more from injury is a giant improvement over the already 100+ winning team they have been for the past two years. Thats why i said you might as well hand them the title. I didnt say these things the last two seasons even though i thought they had a legitimate chance to win a title
As a Houstonian, the same was said about the Astros in 2018 (pitchers coming off injuries) and 2019 (hitters coming off injuries, arrival of Zack Greinke and Michael Brantley) and look how that turned out. The more posturing that’s done the more it proves my point. No guarantee those guys won’t regress or just get hurt again. It wasn’t even the pitching that was the downfall of the Yankees in 2019, it was their offense in the postseason.
Look, Im just saying the Yankees will be a very good team if they grab Hader and a significantly better team than their 2017, 2018, and 2019 squads.
Couldn’t have been the cameras and monitors in the clubhouse tho….hmmmm?
You mean those things that are in every clubhouse? And even then the Yankees got choked out offensively in Houston those two games that they lost.
It ain’t the Yankees being investigated and charged with high tech spying and sign stealing.
Must be injury free in NYY…so you have that….
stupid comment.
stupid comment.
They have to EARN the trophy before it gets handed to them. I don’t care how much money they spend.
yeah no s*** m8
Im using figurative speech to say if they get Hader then they will be really good
Being really good doesn’t translate to trophies “m8”
I mean, you have to be really good in order to get trophies. Besides, just reread the comment you replied to because you obviously didnt get the point i was making the first time “”m8””
Dude, give up already. You got called out for saying to hand the Yankees the trophy and now you’re copping out by saying that they’re really good but it’s no guarantee, which is what we were trying to tell you. Yeah obviously they’re good, they just took Gerrit Cole away from the team that keeps beating them.
M8, this isnt a competition. Theres nothing to give up here.
Im also not copping out just because I explained that i used figurative speech. Now i cant wait for you to tell me that it isnt actually raining cats and dogs
Don’t bother with the haters. Everyone loves to hate the “Evil Empire” more than rooting for their own team. Take it as a sign of respect. 2020 will be a very fun year in the Bronx.
If anyone, @YouKnowwhatthisiscalled:
The Astros are actually the team that keeps CHEATING them.
This is a much more accurate statement.
And you do you think the Yankees could offer to acquire Hader? I don’t think they have anything the Brewers really want. Now the dodgers I could see trading for Hader they have better prospects
Andujar fits well for the Brewers. just saying
I’d rather the Yankees trade Urshela and prospects than trade Andujar, but thats just me
Glad that it’s JUST YOU.
Ursehela isn’t being traded Beg.
Now I am an Andujar fan and last winter was against dumping him for his D issues.
However 4 years of affordable control for Hader makes me think that is worth strong consideration from Cashman.
+fits
I was saying that i’d rather they trade Urshela than Andujar, not that i think theyre going trade Urshela. Personally, I’d rather the Yanks wait until the deadline before thinking about trading either. Have them fight it out for 3B in spring, move the loser of the battle to a new position/role, and if there arent many injuries and a glaring need for a different position, then ship one of them out to try and round out the team.
However, I just dont think Urshela will repeat his 2019 performance but I’m ok with seeing how itll all shake out as well.
@jmergs
If the Yankees really wanted to trade for Hader, they could definitely put together a package to acquire him. The real question is though, do they want to put up the prospect/player package it’s going to take or not.
What do you think the package for Hader would look like. Because if I am Sterns there is no way I would trade Hader for anything less then a huge haul
Whatever the deal Miguel Andujar would probably be the first guy going back.
Yankees fans insisting that their runoff is treasure for another team is about as surprising as a sunrise.
Looks like I brought out the nonsensical Yankee hater.
What, because I don’t think that Yankees backups and most of their MLB-level prospects are that good and the media overhyped them? And recent history confirms this outside of Gallegos? Andujar’s defense is bad and he’s coming off a shoulder surgery that is hampering the things that made him appealing (his arm and his bat) at least for the time being. Just accept that he’s not going to be the main course for a reliever of the year winner.
A lot of the trolls are saying that the Brewers are doing a tear down to rebuild. Could be, but I disagree. I believe the Brewers are trying to put together a team that will compete for the next three years while they have Yelich.
Tall order because they have a lot of holes to fill to do that. Their farm is not strong right now, and they cannot compete at the top of the FA market. So trading their second best asset, Hader, is the right move. But they need to trade for major league assets with maybe some prospects as icing on the cake.
So who are the major league contributors for 2020-2022 that the aforementioned teams would give up to get Hader? Do the yankees have a quality MLB ready infielder and pitcher with 3 or more years of control to send to the Brewers? Yank fans help me out here. I’d like a nice prospect in the deal too!
How about LAD, do they have what we need? Sure Lux would move the needle, but would LAD give up 6 years of Lux and maybe more to land Hader? If they do, I’m all in. What do Dodger fans think?
Finally the Metropolitans, do they have what we need? Davis 3B and Smith 1B and a decent prospect? Is that enough? I say no – I want McNeil and some pitching. FYI- Hiura belongs in LF so we could use Mc Neil at 3B this year and then at 2B after Braun is done and Keston moves to the OF. Mets fans do you want Hader and what do you offer?
A bunch of snarkos are criticizing the crew for letting players go from our playoff team last year. But let’s be honest, we were lucky to get in with that bunch and we only won 89 games. We were just ok. If we are really going to compete each of the next 3 years we need reinforcements. Right now we have a great reliever we can trade and we cleared a lot of money we can spend. My vote- sign Donaldson, Tsutsugo and a reliever, and trade Hader for a nice haul.
Better plan than overpaying Grandal and Moose and keeping all the marginal contributors from 2019 IMO.
My guess would be Miguel Andujar, Clint Frazier, Devi Garcia and Estrada or Wade.
Because you’re holding the Yankees to a standard no other team could meet. How many of the prospects included in all the trades that happen every year pan out? Major league baseball’s minor league system is so extensive that they are trying to kill off 41 teams across different levels. The vast majority of the players playing for these massive amounts of teams won’t ever sniff the majors. Some will but even amidst the comparatively small number of prospects that do get to the majors an even smaller subset of that group will turn into quality major league players who have long careers. That’s why they are called prospects. You know that word prospect right. Its what people used to do when looking for gold. They’d sit in cold rivers sifting through silt looking for tiny nuggets of gold. They’d spend days, weeks or even months looking and rarely find anything. But when they do its a big deal for them. Just like baseball prospects.
Like I said….hater.
It’s not hating to expect a realistically good haul of prospects for established players, and when there’s a New York bias hyping up every farmhand on the Yankees as the next big thing, then yeah there’s going to be some disappointment. Same problem with using farm rankings as assessments of talent. It’s Yankees fans on MLBTR that keep proposing they can trade whatever backup they no longer feel like having for stud players on a more financially strict team that gets old after the first couple decades.
No one’s hyping anything up to be the next big thing. If you can’t handle other fans making trade proposals and thinking the guys they are offering are good then don’t read a comments section on a sports website. That’s what happens. But you seem to get all triggered by Yankee fans specifically.
You know what this is called? Being a hater.
Andujar and Medina or Gil would be a strong opener. Add Happ for their starting rotation (eat part of the money), add in Loaisiga for good measure, and possibly Roansy Contreras.
Thx Pinstripe. I’m not sure Andujar as headliner is enough for me to sell on Hader. Fill me in on the other 2 guys you propose. Do you think adding these 3 and losing Hader makes us better?
Yeah and I’m sure you and everyone picked the Nats to win the WS….
The Yankees have been prone to fumble handed the trophy or no. They do look formidable if everyone stays healthy.
Jimmy.
NO.
As in no fumble.
Did you just wake up from a long sleep? Go ahead and type a google search “Astro’s Cheating Scandal” and you will see what really happened.
Yankees have already been popped for cheating in 2017 and want to talk about how the Astros are the bad guys? And this is after they juiced their way to a few titles. Riveting stuff.
Yankees signed chapman last year not this year….right ? Or am I going crazy
He had an opt out this year but got an extension by threatening to use it.
I’m not sure if you’re a physical therapist named Justine or just inept
Holy cow… I totally forgot about that . .must have happened right after the world series .
this year.
This year. He opted out and quickly resigned 11/03.
He didn’t opt out. He extended before he needed to decide on the opt out.
Who cares
+Birks
i do
Am I the only Brewers fan who DOESN”T hate the idea of Hader being traded? His value is super high right now, and any Brewers fan who watched every game last year knows he’s slowly starting to become more hittable. I hope we make something happen and get a huge return back.
You must have a lot more confidence in Knebel than the rest of Brewers fans then because as it stands right now, that bullpen is thin.
BrewCrew82, I love Corey Knebel, I anticipate him coming back strong. The way I see it, the Brewers could trade Hader for a very nice return, and look to the free agent market (off the top of my head Betances, Neshek, Jeffress, Romo, Cishek, Clippard, D. Hudson, Kintzler, Stammen still available) to fill some holes. I’d say signing two of this bunch would suffice.
I am all for it if they get a tremendous return.
Gotta sell high on him! Now is the best time to get the best reward
Tommy John is a procedure that works far more often than not. 20 plus years ago it was a crap shoot. Not any more.
They have arms for the 9th. It’s the 5th thru 8th where they are thin.
But a 3 bagger with a big bat, is better than Hader if you can get an inning eater or two with it.
I like Seager or Andujar at 3B.
Tommy John surgery dates back to 1973 – it’s been effective for considerably more than “20 plus” years.
His point is that 20+ years ago, you didn’t know if the guy would return to form or not. Nowadays, they nearly all do.
He is referring to the success rate
I’m on board if they can
get some MLB-ready talent along with some solid prospects. Asking a lot for a RP tho
I’m okay with it as long as the return is huge. He’s got 4 years of team control. If you’re not overwhelmed with an offer keep him another year and trade him next offseason. 4.6MM isn’t too much to handle even for the Brewers so they won’t be in a rush to trade him.
His value will still be extremely high next year as he is controlled for 4 years. This may just be a “blow us away”, or no deal type of thing. I actually don’t expect him to be traded this offseason.
Nope you’re not the only one. I think sensible fans will understand his value will never be higher than it is now. A lot of batters that I saw last year were fouling it straight back and not missing by much when they made outs. The return better be big though with at least one if not two blue chip, almost MLB ready prospects.
You do realize he struck out 47% of the hitters he faced right? That is by far the best in MLB and a big reason they will demand a major haul in return.
Did I say he wouldn’t get a big return??? Also did you not he see got “shut down” for a couple of weeks before he came on strong, then got lit up the last week of the season. 47% is, no doubt, great but that’s a cumulative total. And you do realize when a batter fouls something hard straight back they’re missing, literally, by millimeters???
I hope they trade him, his return right now would be huge. I still love how people underestimate Stearns. The brewers will still be competing in 2020. Harder is a left who throws 96 and hitters are starting to figure him out.
Yes it’s very smart for Brewers. Relief pitchers are always huge risks, and Hader has a brutal delivery that is going to catch up to him some day. They can get a massive haul and be just fine, even better, after the trade.
His delivery isn’t that “brutal” at all. It’s just a low arm slot.
His arm injury will come when some old school pitching coach tries to change his arm slot to something cute and conventional.
He’s not across his body at all and he has Avery repeatable deliver for 2-1/2 years I’m Mlb. His lower half, balance before stride and back leg are actually perfect.
His below 3/4 (nearly half) delivery is unique. But mechanically there is no more concern than any other conventional arm slot pitcher throwing 96-98 mph.
Not a brewers fan but you are spot on. He is getting hit. He will definitely start either blowing out his arm or have his era above 4 soon. It’s so obvious.
Not if he went to the AL where hitters haven’t been in the box against him.
He’s been seen to where some guys have 10 or more ABs against him.
Familiarity has bit him some and two pitches don’t counter that enough.
He’d be back to 2018 form in the AL.
No, I don’t mind the idea of trading a reliever at the height of their value either, especially if you can get another team to overpay (I seem to recall a team getting some guy named Gleyber for a closer)
Agreed. Who was the bum that Oakland should have traded last year when he had a career year that they non-tendered this year?
Are you talking about the “bum” who just signed a contract worth $10,000,000? How much did you earn this year?
He’ll get back to you once his diaper is changed.
I would think between the Seinfeld residuals from playing the postmaster general and his pay for the “diabeetus” commercials, Mr. Brimley could have made far more than $10 million this year.
Besides, just because someone is dumb enough to overpay this year for someone has no affect on whether they sucked last year.
I am a Brewer fan also and I wouldn’t hate the idea of trading Hader, as long as they get a good haul in return
Not a Brewers fan, but I completely agree with you. Hader’s value isn’t ever going to be higher than it is now and then they can a great package of prospects back for him. Having an elite closer is great but there’s no guarantee that he stays that good (see Edwin Diaz) and it would be smart for the Brewers to cash in on that while they can, especially given how volatile pitchers’ arms are now.
Yankees may as well empty the vault! Wait, it’s the Yankees! That cash cow will never go dry!! Go Yankees!!!
I don’t know why the Yankees would trade top prospects to acquire Hader when they could just use money to resign Betances.
Dellin has a partially torn achilles and Hader has 4 years of control.
Betances is hurt, significantly older, and would require way more money. Also the Yanks are now at a point where most of their prospects are blocked.
Dellin also has a huge issue throwing strikes. Always has. 6 walks per 9 is not someone I want in my pen. And remember his issues throwing to bases and holding runners on? Time to move on from him.
Hader is better and left handed. Although the Yankees might be the one team that looks dominating from the left hand side of the pen already. He is not a specialist by any means (same as Chapman).
The thing to keep in mind is the three batter rule. The need for LOOGYs is gone, though none of these guys would be considered that.
Hader shreds righties and utterly dominates lefties.
Betances isn’t in Hader’s league.
Of course not. One was in the American League and the other was in the National League.
I highly doubt the Yankees trade for him. Brewers should have a high ask. I’d give Jordan Montgomery that role if the Yankees can’t trade Happ and keeps him as a starter. As for Betances, he should go with a club with a chance to close games to maximize on a deal next offseason.
Must be a slow day for reporting. He isnt going anywear. Unless your giving up 4 cant miss ready prospects right now. If they trade him might as well start a rebuild and that isnt happening.
If they’re going to compete, they need to quit letting all the talent slip away.
Slip away? Moose got 4/$64 before the market even had a chance to develop this off-season, when he couldn’t get an offer at all the last 2 years, and settled for 1 year “hope” deals.
Amd its funny how everyone went from bashing the Grandal deal last year to “oh sure, he’s worth 4/$73 mil as a 31 year old catcher.’
Aside from thames, who still is unsigned (far as I know) and could return, they haven’t really lost much.
Unless you believe in addition by subtraction, they need to sign some players.
Obviously they need to sign some players. There are still holes at 3b, 1b and pitching. What I’m saying is the guys they let go or traded (except moose and Grandal) weren’t worth the salaries they were likely to make next year.
Was Anderson worth $8 mil?
Nelson worth around $5?
Spangenberg/Perez/Saladino?
Shaw worth $5 mil?
Guerra maybe, due to his ability to pitch multiple innings consecutive days, and Thames..who can still be brought back.
And it’s December 12th. Not like the season starts tomorrow.
Well put!
He isn’t going underwear either.
No team in history has ever, or will ever, say “Thank God for this reliever, otherwise we’d need to start a full-fledged rebuild!”
2016 Chapman and the cubs says hi.
So the Cubs should have gone into full on rebuild after Chapman left?
If Yanks do get hader, I would think Britton and his salary will be traded. Why have 3 power lefties.
Yanks won’t get him. They don’t have enough trade pieces. Dodgers (and about a dozen other teams) can beat a Yankees offer without even a heavy lift, unless they’re willing to talk about one of their everyday players.
Yankees offer Andujar, Frazier (both guys they don’t need) and Garcia from the farm it gets done. Not saying the Yankees do it but they could easily make it happen if they wanted.
If the Yanks offered that the Brewers would hang up the phone, that deal would not be enough and the Crew doesn’t need Fraizer anyway
I was waiting for the first person to offer this deal. Both Frazier & Andujar are very flawed defensively..they both project as DH bats, so no National League team will want either of these players as every day defenders. Time to realize Clint Frazier’s value is in the toilet until he can prove he can play the OF with a 0 DRS or better. Andujar is a complete disaster at 3B. Maybe he can play 1st Base but his value is way down too due to his lost season last year.
Garcia is good start but they’ll need to add another 2 Top 10 system prospects to get this done.
If the brewers are really trying to compete next year they won’t won’t prospects. They will want guys ready to contribute at the big league level now. Andujar defensively is terrible I agree but he’s a guy who can hit and is controllable for 4 seasons. Frazier playing against lefties would allow braun to play 1B also limit Frazier’s playing time especially in the OF. Maybe it takes Abreu and Garcia to get it done with those two but I can’t see the brewers only wanting farm system guys back.
Brews can def use Frazier. Controlled player with a bat.
We are at that point where people talk so much about how Frazier and Andujars value has fallen that their value is pretty clearly underrated. I think that deal gets it done, or at least very close.
Wow that deal isn’t enough? As a Yankee fan I’m thinking no way am I giving up on Andujar after his rookie season and he can play first if need be to get bat in lineup. Garcia is their top pitching prospect and a top prospect in baseball. Not sure what you think you can get for Hader but keep mentioning the Dodgers and see if they include Lux plus high end prospects for Hader.
I agree and as a Yankee fan I’m not too happy giving up two young high end potential bats and our best pitching prospect for Hader.
I’m not big on Andujar, personally, but he does fit a hole for MIL. Frazier only makes sense if he or Braun play 1B (or if Braun goes, which wouldn’t be the worst thing)
Probably depends a lot on Milwaukee’s view of Deivi. He’s a pretty polarizing prospect with a lot of scouts questioning if his delivery and frame can hold up to a heavy workload.
Not sure it would take both Andujar and Frazier, but it would take one along with Cruz and a couple of lesser prospects. A package similar to the one the Yankees got for Miller, if not more.
4 years of control vs 2 1/2 at the time would suggest more, yet Miller was a deadline deal which drove up the price some…..
Either way, the Yankees got a top 100 hitter and a top 100 pitcher plus a couple others for Miller. That would be the minimum.
The Brewers would want a major league ready bat for first or third. So Andujar or Frazier. Deivi Cruz is the only top 100 pitcher the Yankees have, so he would have to be part.
Just because MLB.com ranks him top 100 does not necessarily mean that the Brewers scouting department does. Saying he has to be included based on an arbitrary number someone gave him is short-sighted if they see Deivi as just an under-sized, 2 pitch guy with a questionable delivery like some scouts do.
Andujar?! 3b or 1b, yes they do need one of those.
I don’t think the Yankees offer up both Frazier and Andujar but any package that starts with a guy who should have won rookie of the year in 2018 is a hell of a good start.
Who is Cruz? Do you mean Garcia?
Yes Garcia. Deivi Cruz is a former major leaguer. who comes to my mind when the first name “Deivi” is used.
Britton isn’t a power lefty. He’s a sinkerballer who specializes in groundouts.
The thing for any of these deals is that you don’t want to give up your core or even those close to it. For the three “untouchables” right now are deGrom, Alonso, and McNeil. Thor and Conforto are the next tier down. I doubt the Mets would offer high picks they just drafted (i.e., Baty, Wolf, and Allan). So that leaves Nimmo, Gimenez, Davis, Matz, Smith, Rosario, Peterson, Szapucki, et al. They really don’t want to deplete their farm much further but it may take some of that to do this.
Between the Yankees trying to corner the market on top free agent pitching and the pending labor strike coming in baseball
(Spoiled Millionaires), why should I even waste my time on baseball in the future?
The Yankees “bought” exactly one high profile Free Agent. If that’s a corner on the market, we are talking about a one-dimensional world.
You must be that red sock fan that thinks everyone will believe what you post even though your team has been highest cap hit in all of baseball close to the last 5 years.
Ok this is something the Dodgers actually need
Maybe Mets signing Porcello and Wacha could free up Steven Matz for a bigger deal for Hader? Maybe a Matz/Dom Smith type package. Who knows.
While I agree with the notion that signing two players makes another expendable, Matz and Smith don’t get that deal done. I would think Stroman or Thor is the odd guy out there. Thor and Smith would probably get Stearns’ attention, but controllability will win this trade, always does with Stearns.
Nobody is trading a established top of the rotation starter for a reliever no matter how good
Matz top of the rotation starter? He’s got a career 4.05 ERA in 550 innings, is never healthy and his FIP was 4.60 or worse the last two years. He’s not a top of the rotation arm. Not at all.
I hope you are referring to Thor not matz lol
Agreed. You can trade Thor for Adell, not a reliever.
Except you can’t trade Thor for Adell.
Yanks not the only team mentioned here. Dodgers haven’t made anything happen this offseason, and bullpen is an obvious area they could want to upgrade. They definitely have the prospect depth to make a deal happen. Everyone focusing on the Yankees because Yankee-hating is the most common theme here, but the Dodgers could definitely swing it. And the Mets, well, who the heck has any clue what nonsense Brodie is up to in Queens, anyway.
I don’t see why the Brewers would trade him. It’s still a very winnable division.
So? Those things are not mutually exclusive. If they can fill multiple holes (SP, 3B, 1B) by trading Hader and signing other RPs they would end up better off than they started. Trading him away would not be a sign of surrender.
The Brewers don’t have a 1B or 3B, and their ace is Woodruff. They’re not winning anything with that team unless they do something substantial.
To be fair 1B and SP isn’t really any weaker than it has been the last 2 years no matter who they throw out there and that didn’t stop them.
That’s why I think if the Yankees were to offer Andujar/Frazier combination Stearns would be interested. Fill a hole at 3B with a controllable bat and Frazier in the OF would give Braun starts at 1B vs lefties. Yankees don’t have a need for either guy honestly either
Gotta believe Stearns is goint to want to see some pitching back in a Hader deal. Trying for an Andujar/German return seems more likely to me than Frazier.
Did chapman officially opt out?
He did and has since resigned with the Yankees. He did this back in November. They basically added one more year at the same $17M/yr pay rate he was already making.
He resigned
I believe he did not actually opt out. He utilized his ability to opt out as leverage, to which the Yankees and he agreed to an extension.
Let’s be real here. He’s a great pitcher, and Stearns knows exactly how to leverage an opportunity. Unless someone really, really wants Hader, he’s staying put. But gotta think the Mets will over extend, even if the Dodgers could put together a better package.
Dodgers would make the most sense, as that would probably include Braun heading out with Hader, right? I could see Urias/Buehler, Joc/Turner, and Keibert Ruiz coming back. Seems like a good fit for both teams.
There’s not a chance in the world the Dodgers would entertain the thought of Buehler straight up for Hader, let alone add anything to that. Right now, Buehler probably is, by far, the best value for a pitcher in the majors. (And the Dodgers could certainly do without Braun)
WeeWoo – aptly named. Buehler, TurNer and Ruiz for a relief pitcher? I know this is rumor central but that is the dumbest potential trade ever. Why bother to even put your thought process down on this site. Makes you look less than intelligent. No, that is too kind.
I think you’re missing my point. I think that’s the only trade that Stearns says yes to. Not thinking that it will happen is most certainly my first point, because if he does get traded, someone dumber than Friedman will overbid (AKA Brodie). Just seems like the Dodgers have the best package to give, and if Joc or Turner is dangled to get payroll fodder, Braun will be dangled back. That’s economically a good trade for both teams. I don’t think the Dodgers would trade Buehler, but that’s my point as they would have to start there, and work their way into Urias.
And thanks pal, for being too kind.
Doubt that. Not a very smart guy if he thinks he can get Buehler back. That’s called being delusional. Hader certainly has a lot of value but the Dodgers are not going to blow up their team to get a stinking relief pitcher. They’re trying to win the World Series. You can’t add something and subtract more off the current roster. The Dodgers don’t need to dump salary, especially with Cole and Rendon off the boards. You’re right about one thing someone else will have to be dumb enough to overpay for Hader because that’s not going to be Friedman.
Hahaha…Buehler for Hader. Thanks for the laughs…I needed that. The Dodgers wouldn’t trade Buehler for Gerrit Cole right now!
Dodgers would be stupid to make such a trade (Buehler for Cole). Buehler is immensely valuable right now due to his remaining control.
You realize you and Dorothy agree, correct? I want to point out that your “control” point is very weak because Cole has 9 years of control, Walker only has about 5 years. But Cole is now being paid FMV whereas pre-arbitration and even arbitration Buehler will provide much more excess value over the next 5 years.
That’s the whole point of “control”. Not literal control. Big market teams are always free to overpay for a player. It obviously diminishes your ability to build out a well-rounded team unless you have an infinite payroll and you’re willing to go high up on the luxury tax tiers. This is why young players like Buehler are so valuable.
I was thinking last night, why wouldn’t the Angels be all in on Hader too? They need bullpen help bad and the money cost of Hader will be low for 2 more years. I would think if the Angels were really all in they would go for Hader . Just my thought
Angels can be all in on free-agents because they can always come up with more money to spend, but they can’t be in on a deal like this. They quite simply don’t have the prospect pieces to compete with an offer from those other teams without dangling Adell and that’s not happening.
Thanks without looking I wasn’t sure what they had for prospects other than Adell. I would say that money well is close to empty with the Rendon, trout, and Pujols contracts. I’m sure they will try to get more pitching but I can’t imagine they are in on more than one or two more good free agents. Their pitching needs a lot of help.
Where are the Twins?? They could’ve really used Smith, and now they’re letting Hader get away, unbelievable.
I was wondering the same thing. I hope I’m wrong, but I feel like they’re not gonna do anything. Sure, they re-signed Odo and Pineda, but those are guys they had last year so it’s not like they improved. And, say what you will about Gibson but his departure is still a hole so it could be argued that they’re actually worse.
Brewers are going to want MLB ready or very close to it. So that starts with Kirilloff, Graterol, plus.
Rosario?
Only 2 years of control and already getting more expensive in arb. Can’t see a lot of interest there.
The Dodgers are not in on Hader. They do not have the wherewithal to trade their best prospects. Friedman may have called the Brewers and asked if they would take an autographed Mary Hart photo for him. When the Brewers laughed and hung up Freidman called up Charlie Hough and offered him a minor league contract.
I think it is a great idea to try and see what the asking price is for Hader when it comes to the Yankees it is just Cashman doing his due diligence remember Z.Britton with an opt out clause at the end of 2020 so it could be replacing one left-hander with another.
As for the Brewers it is wise of them to listen much like it is wise of Cleveland to start listening in on Lindor the asking price is high and if you can get a major haul and know eventually you will not be able to afford these players why not see what is out there.
Mets need him the most out of those 3 teams
And yet they are probably the team that can offer the least…..
From the farm system, yeah. They do have excess talent on the ML roster though.
Like who? Dom could be a little interesting to the Brewers and then you’d have to start talking SP. Still can’t compete with a package the Yanks could center on Andujar plus or the Dodgers could piece together (though they won’t).
Dom, JD, and Matz all seem to be available. Packaging one or two of those guys with a prospect would entice the Brewers to part with Hader.
I forgot about JD. He could be intriguing despite his poor defense. They will probably want pitching in return though and I don’t see 2 years of Matz and his inflated FIP being the missing piece.
If you look at Brewers rotation, Matz would slot in as their #2 or 3. From that angle I can see them at least being tempted to pull the trigger on a trade that includes him.
You can “slot him in” wherever you want (and his career numbers are worse than Woodruff, Suter, Houser, and comparable with Lauer so 2 may be generous despite the fact that he’s a more well-known name), he’s still not a big enough improvement to move the needle especially with only 2 years of control left.
If the Yanks offered that the Brewers would hang up the phone, that deal would not be enough and the Crew doesn’t need Fraizer anyway
Miguel Andujar, Clarke Schmidt and Roansy Contreras or Johnathan Louisiga for Hader?
My sources tell me this has the Braves written all over it. That is if they can beat out the Yankees’ package of Frazier and Andujar.
Frazier & Andujar does not get Hader from Milwaukee, period…end of story!
These two, one-dimensional players are so overvalued by arm-chair GMs.
I thought my username and avatar made it obvious enough that my post was a joke, but I guess not.
Settle down, guy, sorry my joke proposal wasn’t as good as all the Super Serious Offers getting tossed around here that no GM will ever look at.
Don’t fret Dodgers fans, rest assured they’ll be outbid.
Yanks to pay Hader $150 million for a three year deal.
I have a feeling Felipe Vazquez will be traded before Hader.
Really? The Yankees? All these teams out here needing pitching. smdh
Yankees farm system is overrated. Dodgers will panic and trade gavin lux and Dustin may for hader.
And that type a deal is exactly what Stearns is hoping for. People act like Brewers want to give Hader away for lottery picks, quite the opposite.
Just stop. Friedman isn’t going to “panic” and you’re not getting either of those guys.
Aaron Judge, Gleyber Torres, Gary Sanchez, Luis Severino, Domingo German, Miguel Anduljar, etc. all came from their farm. There are probably a dozen guys below that could be on a MLB roster if they weren’t blocked.
I got a feeling the Dodgers are trading those two for Lindor. For some extra pieces Cleveland may throw in Carlos Carrasco for good measure, who knows
Its either the dodgers or Yankees. The Mets are just looking for attention as always and have nothing to offer.
The Dodgers make the most sense. Relief pitching is their only hole and they certainly have the prospects to get it done.
The Yankees really dont need him but they are apparently going full speed ahead.
If the Brewers want mlb ready players some combination of Andujar, Fraizer, chad green and german could be interesting.
All guys who have had mlb success, but flawed in one way or the other. Plus all have years of control left and wouldn’t hurt the Yankees to lose.
If he does get traded, my guess is to LA, they have to do something.
“The Mets are just looking for attention as always and have nothing to offer.”
Just last year, they made the biggest trade of the offseason for, wait for it, a top-of-the-line reliever. Maybe you heard about it. Probably not, since you think they’re just trying to get attention.
They also had to take on $100 mil of Robinson Cano’s bad contract and trade a top prospect to do it. They don’t really have that option this time.
Yes clown, because they had a top prospect to trade.
Do they have that now?
They took on an awful contract to do it, are they doing that again?
As i said, they have nothing to offer the Brewers that wouldn’t be blown away by 15 other teams.
he throws awful, stat outta NY
Boom! Comment of the day! Pack up your stuff and go home everyone, discussion OVER!
Just putting something out there, the brewers were on of the teams that are interested in happ
Happ would have to be a VERY minor part of any deal with the money he’s still owed. If anything he drives UP the prospect cost for Milwaukee to take on his salary.
If they want Happ, Yankees have to up the prospects to go along with him. The main goal is to shave off salaries so no cash to go with Happ.
Hadar and Braun to Dodgers for Pederson, Ruiz, Gonsolin and Rios.
I think they would be after the likes of Gonsolin Ruiz and Downs
Pederson, Ruiz, Rios, but not Gonsolin but the three are doable with one more addition. Maybe Stripplinger or other minor league pitchers.
I think it would take Gonsolin or May to get four years of Hadar. Stripling only has 2 years of control.
Andujar, happ, holder, florial, abreu
How about the Brewers include Yelich for that offer. That’s a good offer for Braun swapping contracts. He’d have to approve that deal though.
I’d prefer the Phillies stayed out of this and signed Betances to fill Robertson’s moot role. Would be wise to try and dump Robertson on someone like the Marlins eat half the cash & toss in a mid level prospect aka any prospect.
The Yankees shouldn’t have resigned Chapman. That was dumb to extend him.
Sad this insanely imbalanced spending by a few teams is encouraged. What’s sadder is the Yankees spending so much just to win a championship. If you say you’re not buying a championship, then why are you spending so much on high priced players. We already know why: to ensure the Yankees maje the playoffs.Every.Freaking.Year.
The real question is why doesn’t every team spend up to the cap and try to win. Forbes has every team making over the cap last year. It’s time to put a floor on the lame teams. Yanks salaries for 2021 is 89 million right now with Cole, so they will be spending another 100 million next year. Mr Lerner did alright this year spending to win the world series.
Dominic Smith would seem to fit nicely in Milwaukee at 1B. Then Jed Lowrie could help the Brewers fill out the infield, perhaps playing primarily at 3B if they want Urias to handle SS.
The Mets would have to eat a fair amount of Lowrie’s contract, but otherwise this could be a solid core of a deal (with the Mets probably including a prospect in their package for Hader).
Brewers wouldn’t want old Jed
Probably including a prospect? Try definately. Even if the Mets eat a nice chunk of that contract there are any number of teams that could outbid them.. Lowrie would be a negative addition to the package. The less money you include in the deal to offset the cost the higher the prospect capital you’d need to add. The more money you cover from the deal the less it makes sense to include him at all.
Why have the Mets not offered any short stops as trade chips? Rosario just turned 24 and their top 2 prospects are short stops. Why not offer up one of them to fill another need?
Would hate to see those long locks chopped by the Evil Empire rules…..
Matz and Nimmo to Milwaukee
Hader to Mets
Dgray866, that wouldn’t even come close to comparable value.
Yeah, I know. Maybe add Ronny Mauricio and replace Nimmo with Dom Smith? Idk but we can really use Hader. You know as well as I do that the Mets won’t come close to reaching a deal with Milwaukee.
Brewers are not trading Hader for prospects. What would be the point of having Yelich on the team if they are just going to waste his prime years with an uncompetitive roster? Stearns is listening for 1B/3B Major League talent or he passes on all offers.
He’ll take a guy or two who look really great and are a year away or so. Lux and May for instance. If I’m Mil I’m asking for more than that and that’s probably the deal to beat. 1st shouldn’t hold a ton of appeal to them, they’ve filled the position pretty well the last few years. Cardinals send C Martinez, A Miller and cash to Angels for Addel.
Hader is going to cost a ton.
Andujar , Frazier, deivi Garcia plus a lottery ticket for hader ?
I’m sure it’s not enough but 2 mlb ready talents plus a 3rd knocking on the door Nd the 4th could be a high ceiling low minors type
I’d like to see the brewers in the post season every year just to enjoy the scenery behind home plate at their home games!!
I know who you’re referencing and trust me, she’s good from afar but far from good. Standard ButterFace
Hader nets what the Cubs gave up for Chapman++. He has 4 years of control. I don’t see him being traded (yet),but if he is it will be for a lot. They may be best served waiting till the deadline desperation.
I think Andujar, German, and another prospect gets this deal done.
German prior to DV charges was on his way to winning 20 games and was the Yankees best starter during regular season. He’s young.
Andujar bat was never a concern, his defense is but he’s athletic and if a team feels he can turn into a solid 3rd basemen with high upside then it could be a steal.
As far as the other prospect, maybe a pitcher knocking on the door like Abreu or Mike King? I would think the Yanks would try holding off on dealing Garcia if they deal German.
If another team offers better then 2 young everyday major leaguers and another close then the Yanks pass and resign Betances.
At the end of the day I don’t think the Yankees will get Hader. He’ll cost a lot more than he’d actually be worth for us. Not saying that he isn’t worth a lot but we already have one of the best bullpens in the league. We’d still have one of the best bullpens in the league if we signed someone like Dellin Betances or Will Smith instead. Heck we’d still have one of the best bullpens in the league even if we didn’t.
On another team like the Mets for example Hader would be a huge difference maker. He’d give them the certainty at the back end of the bullpen that they’ve never had. Too bad I don’t think they have the trade chips to pull such a deal off.