8:36 pm: The Padres have agreed with Profar on a $5.7MM salary to avoid arbitration, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today.
1:52 pm: The Padres and Athletics have agreed to a trade that’ll send infielder Jurickson Profar from Oakland to San Diego in exchange for catcher Austin Allen and a player to be named later. Profar, who’d been projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn $5.8MM through arbitration, was a non-tender candidate in Oakland but is now in line to play a significant role with the Padres in 2020. The move reunites him with Padres GM A.J. Preller, who played an integral part in signing Profar as an amateur during his time with the Rangers organization. Meanwhile, the A’s pick up a potential backup catcher who can step immediately onto the roster.
San Diego’s trade of Luis Urias last week left a hole at second base, where Ian Kinsler, Greg Garcia and Ty France all seemed likely to vie for playing time this spring. Now, Profar will presumably step to the top of the depth chart, rounding out an infield that also features Manny Machado, Fernando Tatis Jr. and Eric Hosmer.
For the Athletics, they’ll now have their own infield vacancy, though that was arguably the case for some of the 2019 season due to Profar’s struggles. The former No. 1 overall prospect has proven himself healthy after a pair of shoulder surgeries wiped out two full seasons of his developmental years, but he’s yet to break out as a clear-cut big leaguer.
Profar hit .254/.335/.458 with the Rangers in 2018 but saw those numbers slip to .218/.301/.410 with the A’s in 2019. Of greater concern were Profar’s suddenly glaring defensive woes, as he developed a mild case of the yips early in the season that led to 11 throwing errors (and an ugly -10 Defensive Runs Saved mark). With Profar now in San Diego, the A’s can turn to one of Franklin Barreto, Jorge Mateo or Sheldon Neuse at second base. Alternatively, they can explore a saturated market of second base options — both in free agency and in trade — and hope to land a quality veteran a discount rate.
Allen, 25, was San Diego’s fourth-round pick back in 2015 and made his MLB debut with the Padres in 2019, hitting .215/.282/.277 in a tiny sample of 71 plate appearances. He feasted on the juiced ball in Triple-A El Paso, though, hitting .330/.379/.663 with 21 homers and 27 doubles in just 298 plate appearances. Evaluating players in what was already an extremely hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League became even tougher with the league’s adoption of the MLB ball, but Allen has regularly been an above-average hitter throughout his time in the minors.
Allen is the definition of a bat-first catching option, as scouting reports on him dating back to college have questioned his ability to catch at a passable level. He’s thrown out just 22 percent of attempted base thieves in the minors, and the word was out on him in the Majors, as he went 1-for-9 in halting runners in just 19 games (14 starts, 128 innings). To his credit, Allen has posted quality framing numbers in each of the past two seasons, but whether he’ll be able to do over a larger sample remains to be seen. Allen has also gotten some work in at first base — perhaps a portent for things to come.
The A’s have been on the lookout for a left-handed-hitting bat to pair with top catching prospect Sean Murphy, who hits from the right side of the dish, and it seems they might’ve found their man in Allen. This acquisition only furthers the likelihood that right-handed-hitting Josh Phegley, himself a non-tender candidate, has played in his final game with the A’s.
Robert Murray first reported that Profar had been dealt to San Diego (via Twitter). ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported the Athletics’ return (Twitter link).
RIP that Padres fan(s) who was happy they didnt do this last offseason
Back up infielder in case Quiroz/France can’t get the job done at 2b?
I guess he can also back up SS compared to France and Quiroz who are only 2b/3b.
I don’t even remember how this guy ended up on the not-Rangers
Emilio Pagan deal way trade between Rangers, A’s and Rays.
Thanks. I remember that now.
Which blew up in Oakland’s face like usual:(
Not really the guy the A’s gave up for pagan from the M’s was released. Melvin used Pagan wrong. pagan is more of a situational reliever against RHB.
Don’t remind us
We have a trade!
We got Vikram!
He’s taking a long time. Is it possible he’s bowling? I mean you know him better than I do.
What size are you, A men’s 10?
I’m glad to see that some people on MLBTR are cultured.
This is very surprising to me
I feel like this is going to be 2015 all over again.
Probably closer to 2016.
His bat really doesn’t play well at most parks but especially so at Petco.
That’s exactly my thought, .218 is about to be sub .200 if he even thinks of chasing 20 homers again
Small sample size he is 6 for 12 with 2 homers believe it or not
Yes, but does it count since it was against Padres pitching?
Petco plays very evenly now since they brought in the fences.. Oakland favors pitchers, Texas favors hitters. Petco is somewhere in the middle now.
Preller is a happy man, he always wanted to have Profar in the team.
Hope he doesn’t think he’ll get anywhere near 20 for a third straight year, not in that mammoth of a park
Depth up the middle, not a bad move for Preller and Co barring some absurd price
It is not a mammoth park.
This will not help make us a winning team. A player like DIDI for 2b helps. This is nothing more than insurance, need bigger moves than Profar with his low OBP.
Pretty sure Didi would rather play the position he would rather play, for a good team. Would you have the Padres offer him nine figures?
Harpchado the offseason is just getting started.
Wouldn’t Villar have made more sense?
Great point! Any rumor about where he’s potentially going???
No fit in Queens but man I’d love to have that speed stop the lineup, but no room for more infielders
Villar makes more sense for sure. He would be a nice piece for any team with that speed of his.
eh. Same amount of control, though Villar is substantially more expensive. I would say total value they’re about even, but it comes from different things. Profar (putting aside his out of character struggle last season) is the superior defender, has a bit more positional flexibility, and has a considerable pedigree that was derailed by injury – that is to say, you might believe that he has a lot of untapped potential still. Villar on the other hand, is generally considered a porous defender (hence the move off SS), and has the better offensive tools with speed and power, though they are significantly offset by his propensity to get thrown out stealing and high strike out rates. Profar probably has the slightly higher floor due to his all around game, while Villar is the type where you’re hoping to catch lightning in a bottle for 500 ABs.
Profar is awful. Villar is a good player. Not even close.
I agree, you can’t compare Villar and Profar. If the A’s end up grabbing Villar I’ll scream with delight
Just wait until Villar is coming off a bad season, you and the rest of the reactionary commentariat lacking in long term memory will call him awful as well
And you will do the same with Preller when Luis Urias has an All Star nod under his belt and Jurickson Profar has another season of “meh” under his belt and signs with someone else next offseason.
Villar goes to Miami for $10.4M as a one yr rental and the Marlins gave up one of their top pitching prospects. Does that make sense, NOT
TIL that Easton Lucas was one of the Marlins’ top pitching prospects.
Urias is a cant miss. Preller will be fired before this upcoming seasons over.
What top pitching prospect? Lucas is a 14th round pick, a 4 year college player, that was a 23 year old in Low A to end 2019. He was not in the Marlins top 30 nor is he in the Orioles top 30..
You make assumptions. In not a padres fan and neither a Preller hater or lover. I think we’ll see how his moves turn out, some have good and some notoriously bad. I am a fan or Urias’ talent and think the brewers won that trade
My comment was in response to people like Vin calling a player “awful” after a bad season, and I’m certain that if Villar has one bad year he would receive the same treatment. A player is judged based on their most recent season too often around here when non HOF player careers are often filled with peaks and valleys. Wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Profar succeed in SD, I do think he is overpaid though and it is a risk. Will be an intriguing storyline on a young talented team
I wonder what it took
They could have signed Yolmer Sanchez and gotten better value out of the deal.
If you are going to go after a guy that can’t hit, might as well find someone who can actually field.
They had that guy in Urias. Preller is making dumb moves.
And Urias Is one tenth the cost.
He still sucks
And here I thought Preller was going to reunite Machado and Schoop…
Does this mean Neuse is in line for the 2B job in Oakland?
A’s would be ok with a Neuse/Mateo platoon batting 9th, but I’m crossing my fingers for a solid veteran 2B man, and let Neuse/Mateo start in AAA
I think Mateo is out of options
LOL, Get your head choppin tool ready Ron Fowler. Trading away Urias then replacing him with a career .234 hitter that cost you $6m is something only AJ Preller would do. What a moron.
Well it’s someone on the 40 since they already had a full 40…
maybe Kinsler ?
Or they could dfa someone
Maybe, plenty to clear. Or kinsler to off set salary. One year left and sitting at 1999 hits
Kinsler could be useful as a stopgap should OAK choose to transition Neuse into a starting role, though I’m guessing SD will be sending a low-level minor leaguer or PTBNL.
I’m guessing Perdomo is non-tendered.
Diaz was DFA.
$5.8M is a lot for a guy who is not very good at much
I’m just happy I don’t have to see him throw to 1B anymore
Have fun with the YIPS! so glad I don’t have to watch him rainbow a throw 30 feet anymore…
talk about a cluster of infield options lol
Good grief. Preller the wunderkind. Another classic. What could he possibly see here?
Indecently low BABIP (.218) last year. Bound to improve.
He went from Arlington to the 2 worst hitting ballparks, probably doesnt help
Too many ground balls straight into the shift. Need an approach tweaking.
I kinda like the deal
Improve to what? His career Avg of .234?
Does anyone know what the A’s got in return? I skimmed through the article a few times and didnt see it
It will be a PTBNL or cash.
Austin Allen and a PTBNL, Preller lost
Thanks for you positive spin on everything that goes down in Friar land
If you want positive spin, go watch your toilet flush. In the meantime, most of us in Friarland are tired of the B-S excuses for losing, and the irrational hero worship of a GM who hasn’t proven he knows anything about building a winning major league team.
“If you want positive spin, go watch your toilet flush.”
I laughed
Post of the thread. Go watch your toilet flush. Classic.
Kinda ironic that in Texas Kinsler was traded to make room for Profar, and all these years later…
Wow, good call. That’s so weird!
Nice to see him go to a team out of the division, so I can cheer for him again. Hope the padres can bring out his inner top prospect.
Profar hit well in 2nd half. I wouldnt have minded him in LF , grossman sucks
I agree, I can’t take much more of watching Grossman play
I actually agree, I would much rather have Profar in LF than keeping Grossman
Ironic Beane got Profar for Pagan, and then he treated Profar exactly like Pagan – being put in positions where they can fail the worst. Love Austin Allen though, and Pagan and Allen are fair value, so its like Beane erased his mistake of being obsessed with high upside low ceiling types like Profar. Mike Trout sure messed with his head, but I digress…
A’s would have won more games if Profar played 1B instead of Morales, fact. Profar is a good 1B and serviable LF, fact.
Beane won this trade handily, as he was probably expecting no one to bite on Profar and he got an interesting prospect and another one out of it, and the Padres? They think Profar is better than Urias, Peraza and Villar??? He’s, uh, not.
Emilio Pagan> Austin Allen
A wet napkin>>> Austin Allen’s limp defense
He hit .228 in the 2nd half.
I was hoping it was going to be Villar or Cesar Hernandez. I’m trying to stay positive at the deals made so far but AJ isn’t making it easy…
Agree! Villar is better, wouldn’t cost prospects.
Allen had nowhere to play.
We have many better options at C.
Maybe he could have been part of a better deal but he wasn’t playing meaningful innings in SD unless something went really wrong.
Hope he does well in Oak.
That’s exactly it. He could have been part of a better deal. There was a very good chance Profar was non-tendered if the A’s didn’t find a taker for him. Then Preller could have picked him up and kept Allen.
Yeah.
Say Allen is worth $5. For comparison, a Patino would be a $50 bill.
Profar was on the clearance rack for .50 cents.
Preller handed the cashier a $5 bill and said “Keep the change.” It’s idiotic.
You guys are just assuming that no other team was interested.
Maybe that wasn’t the case?
Or are you listening in?
Saying he was about to be non tendered as if it’s fact may not be true.
Obviously if Profar was about to be non tendered Preller wouldn’t have traded for him…..but then again,he wasn’t guaranteed to get him unless he did.
Unless you guys also know that no other team wanted him also?
A 26 year old former top prospect and no one else would have been interested.
He does this often..preller is known to be a big tipper. SmDh
Sure, teams were lining up to get him. 218/301/418 second basemen with noodle arms are this year’s hot Christmas toy.
Many teams would have approached Profar as a free agent, after he was cut. 1, 2 million dollars max, probably no guaranteed 40 man spot. SD would still have the advantage because of Preller’s relationship with him.
If other teams were interested I say “let them have him.” Profar is a FA in one year anyway.
“A 26 year old former top prospect”
Urias is a 22 year-old former top prospect who is less further removed from his prospect days and doesn’t have a long track record of being “meh” in the majors.
Who are the better options? Mejia is destined for LF. Hedges can’t hit his weight. So who exactly is the better option?
Not many teams interested in a $6 million backup 2B that hits under .220 while playing bad defense.
im hoping the Phils get a deal done with Cesar. he’s a nice 2B piece, but he’s always felt like one who provided more value as a tradable asset.
Outfielders Buddy reed and hudson head among potential prospect returns.
Where are you seeing those names as potential return? The Padres just gave Head a record bonus for a 3rd round pick, I would be quite surprised if they dealt him for Profar.
Odd move with a flooded free agent market. Preller must really think he’ll bounce back.
I’m guessing Kinsler gets booted from the 40-man?
Kinsler needs to go.
Diaz was DFA.
I had a tough time analyzing Profar in ’19. His overall numbers clearly left some to be desired, however, he was one of those players that seemingly had a big hit every time I watched the A’s — coincidental as it may be, it stuck with me.
I think trading for Profar is a risk worth taking for the Padres — at his worst, he’s a guy who offers versatility and a little pop, but I don’t think a rebound is out of the question.
I really hope he is coming over as a utility player and not the starting 2B
I’m hoping Mateo takes the 2b job and runs with it. 65 extra base hits last season, lots of steals.
Either Barreto/Mateo now.
Neuse?
Neuse is another option. Played very well towards the end of last season. Will be interesting to see who it goes to.
Baretto and mteo are out of options, i dont see both making roster
Was really hoping one of them would pan out. Hopefully one of them is able to really impress during spring training or we are able to get some value out of trading one of them (which i doubt is the case with Barreto).
One gets traded, the other gets a shot in spring.
Passan says the return is Austin Allen and a PTBNL. The Padres have quite a bit of catching depth and now there is no need for another roster move.
Preller and his busy work. Making moves just to make moves.
Yawn, wake me when he trades a future All-Star for a guy with a bad hip and a worse attitude…
Not a huge deal but he does he lefties well enough to be a solid platoon guy.
LOL Padres have four second basemen now, non of them good enough to be an everyday big leaguer. Describing it as making moves just to make moves is perfect.
99socalfrc…..obviously Preller knows what other moves he can/will be making.
We won’t be going to Opening day with 4 2b.
Maybe give the offseason a chance and it will all make sense.
Probably.
We went into the 2019 season with what 5 or 6 subpar outfielders?
The magical moves aren’t coming, he sells high, for low. He sells low for lower.
Im done with Preller. He is the worst gm in baseball, we are heading for last place again.
Padres needed to make a move with their catching depth. not exactly what one would hope for in return, but still. have to imagine this means Phegly is gone with Allen, Heim, and Murphy all on the roster as well.
What catching depth? Mejia can’t catch. He is headed to the OF long term. Hedges can’t hit his weight. Torrens isn’t MLB ready.
Preller making bad move after bad move this offseason. 1st he gives up a good pitcher for a RHP that throws 88 mph and who is not better in anyway than the guy he traded away and compounds it by adding in the best position player prospect in the system for a 4th or 5th OF. Then he signs an often injured pitcher to a 4 year deal. Now he trades a MLB ready catcher for a never has been failure with only 1 year of control that will make $6 million in 2020. Considering the fact that Urias hit better than Profar’s .218/.301 in 2019 just makes this doubly stupid.
Not sure Preller can do anything else as stupid, but keep your eyes peeled for the really bad move to come. Padres are looking at another 90 loss season in 2020.
I cringe when I see an alert about a trade we made. I didnt want to open this trade alert, because I knew it would be garbage.
*Fowler, put a halt to Preller trading talent for trash. This has to stop. This team is going to be a disaster.
Sneaky good Beane move here. Like it A’s.
Not sure if it qualifies as “sneaky” being SD came to him and begged to give him actually-interesting players for a guy he was going to give away for free.
Preller makes too many moves just for the hell of it, without a real vision. Sort of like when a player picks a team in franchise mode and makes a ton of trades, only to end up with a worse team and leave next season.
Seems the Padres traded from an area of depth as they are sending Austin Allen to Texas alongside a PTBNL. Great move for San Diego.
Correction: giving up two interesting pieces for a guy who can’t make throws from 2B is an absolutely terrible move by SD. You could have had Villar….
Bad call on both points.
With Mejia sucking wind as a catcher and likely to be moved to the OF and no one other than Hedges MLB ready, not sure that is an area of depth.
Profar played for the A’s, not the Rangers.
Urias, the 2B Preller just traded for a bag of peanuts, hit better and played better defense than Profar in 2019.
Anything else you care to be wrong about?
Bingo
Let’s let the Urias trade die, just let it go. Its done and for one Urias was highly over hyped. I’d bet anyone he doesn’t hit over .250 for 2020 and he’s an average D at 2B and below average at SS, its not like they traded Tatis or Paddock.
No we will not let it go. Urias is a future All Star and what they did was a step above releasing him. And you wanna talk about overhyped? Just look at the guy they just traded for.
I will take the .250 bet with you
This trade is the reason that Preller “Superstar GM” traded Urias. He had to make room for his boy Profar. What a joke.
I will take that bet on Urias. I also would take a bet that Profar won’t hit .250.
If you have seen him play you know that Urias is GG caliber defender at 2B. He was average at SS. Profar was neither. In fact, Profar was one of the worst fielding 2B in baseball last year.
Tatis played only a half season for the 2nd straight season. When he can play 150 games and hit like that I will anoint him myself. Until then he is just another suspect. BTW, Urias played better defense at SS than Tatis. Tatis had more highlight reel plays, but Urias was steady.
I will take that bet.
Why not just spend the extra money on Villar? This guys crap.
villar wanted three years at $8M per season he’s not worth $24M that’s why
Villar was not a free agent. He is projected to make $10.4 million in arbitration.
Villar strikes out 170 times a year.
ATTN: Any Padres fans who think they are getting a middle infielder.
You are mistaken.
You got a somewhat decent 1B/OF. Please NEVER EVER EVER use him in any other role. Unless you like yips….
Seriously – this is not hyperbole
> perhaps a portent for things to come.
Excuse me? I didn’t know you were in the business of predicting way out trades now. What is this, crap on the A’s every chance you get month? Stick to the trade happening now.
There’s no reason to get offended by what was wrote. That in no way is the definition of “getting crapped on”.
There is no other way to interpret what that little bit means than “Olson is getting traded because it’s the A’s, duh.”
Just more unnecessary crap.
Or it might simply mean Allen could get time at first base dude. I could be wrong but I don’t see how the acquisition of Austin Allen could somehow lead to the trade of Matt Olson, and I don’t think anything written signified that.
Allen won’t get time at first base unless Olson is hurt. Again, I’m not seeing any other way to interpret this.
How much of a battered sensitiveA’s fan do you have to be to get upset about suggesting that Austin Allen might move to 1B in the future? He might move over to 1B because he is a piss poor defensive catcher.
You’re building your own narrative from nothing
Profar certinaly has loads of potential, but my gosh, I’m happy I no longer have to watch him play defense for my A’s. He was lucky to be surrounded by 3 gold glove winners/candidates
Good thing he will be surrounded by 4 gold glove winners/candidates
Hosmer’s gold gloves were a joke. Even if he won the award, he’s not much of a defender anymore
Who would that be? Manny wasn’t last year. Not even nominated. Tatis didn’t play enough or good enough when healthy to be considered one. Urias is gone. Hosmer isn’t GG caliber. So are you talking about Hedges and Renfroe?
Allen’s defense sure doesn’t excite me as a backup. Sounds like he has the potential to hit, but I’d much rather give up some offensive production for a defense-first backup C.
Re Profar. I’m really sorry that he didn’t work out. Great guy, great attitude, and had flashes with both his bat and his glove, but his defensive fundamentals and his throwing were dreadful.
A’s scored. As much as I liked profar, Allen’s bat just seems more to par.
Top prospect that has done nothing but be terrible. Why the desire to hold on and hope he becomes good …
And they don’t even have the upside of multiple years of cheap control if he becomes good.
Preller is a scout, not a general manager. This is an expensive, stupid trade.
If Preller had waited, he’d have been able to sign Profar to a minor league deal. At most a split deal or a cheap major league one-year contract. That would be okay, he comes to ST and you see what he’s got. Now you’re stuck paying him an arb-level salary.
And giving up a top 30 prospect from a top farm system to do so.
I agree, Preller is a scout. They should move him to scouting. He is a terrible gm, terrible.
Low-key hoping the Padres do bad in 2020 so that Preller gets the boot. Sometimes you have to get worse to get better.
“a saturated market of second base options ”
This links to a post about arbitration salaries.
Good deal for Oakland. Acquired a guy who’s mashed the last 3 seasons in the minors. His hitting has earned a major league job. Nice work by Beane.
Urias is an career .221 hitter with no power and a poor on base percentage and is overrated, whats up with the hype for him?
Yep. A player’s career is already decided at age 22 after 302 PA’s. Thanks for reminding us.
You’re the new Padreforlife pessimist who only complains. Sounds fun
Figured readers would be smart enough that I wouldn’t have to put /s at the end of my comment. Guess I was wrong.
Complains yea when GM is misfit of epic proportions yes
I agree Urias is a best an average player at 2B and below average at SS
Is your username referring to your IQ?
Have you seen him play? He has 77 MLB starts. He never got 3 starts in a row until late July. Once he started playing everyday he got better and better ending the season hitting .300/.371 in September. He is still just 22 years old. EVERY single year in the minors he was one of the youngest in the league and hit around .300/.400 and overall was .308/.397.433/.830 in the minors.. He hit 19 HR in 295 AB in AAA this season. Trading him was incredibly short-sighted.
He wasn’t “Preller’s boy.” I seriously (almost) believe that’s the case. It’s an ego thing.
Just another “ Completely Clueless” Preller move.
Profar for anything is a bad trade. We know who he is, or never was, or will be.
I always liked Profar. Potential, but not there yet. It’s potential for a reason rather than just being defined as a good player. It’s okay, defintely not an overhaul move, and a waste to a player’s development if its a platoon role, otherwise short term Ok. I was hoping to see more of Ty France, actually reminds me of Hunter Renfore, with pop and swing miss type, but France has a better eye. We still need an outfielder and I hope to dump Myers salary even though I still think he’s a decent player, just not at 18 mil or close to that I think. Overall, I’ll take the move, but I expect another offensive player, and SP. I hope we don’t overspend though on a SP because we already did with hosmer and machado both totalting to about half our annual salary or 50 mil.
Profar is and always has been overrated and the Padres basically have to win the World Series in 2020 for this trade to be a positive, regardless of what everyone involved ends up doing in the future.
I shall call you Rhyno of the galaxy Profile change #28.
Give me a break, Adrian you sound like the Monkey Boy who criticized everything the Padres did for the last three yrs, you must have changed you name(tag). Why don’t you drink a gallon of Smart Water with high alkaline and bring your thought process to at least a normal person
You need a lobotomy. Maybe that will bring your IQ up to double digits.
Wow what a great come back, LOL
I know you like come on your back. But that’s a different story.
Ryan??
I think the Pirates Adam Frazier made more sense than Profar for the Padres 2B job until Abrams was ready. Frazier is cheaper and has more years of cheap control, and could of been had for a couple of the Padres surplus pitching. A RHP Baez/LHP Cantillo for Frazier deal would of made more sense..
Wow. A LOT of GMs and analysts in here.
Yaa all mostly negative so called GM’s, maybe they should jump off the bandwagon and become Dodger fans or somthing
The moves aren’t solely made based on what AJ Preller thinks. There’s a whole analytics department, a whole scouting department, a whole coaching staff, finance, agents and a whole lot of relationships that play into these moves. It’s ignorant and silly to assume A.J. Preller walks into an office on a Monday morning and says ship Austin Allen to Oakland for Profar.
I like every move the Padres, not the Prellers, have made. The consistency in moves shows a constant drive to win.
@nowheretogobutup – this isn’t directed at you. I just agree with you.
Go Padres!
LMFAO. You are serious aren’t you? That makes your comment even more hilarious. This was a stupid move. Urias hit better than Profar last season AND played plus defense while Profar was one of the worst defensive 2B in the game. Its ignorant to think that after 3 offseasons of Preller trying to trade for Profar that this decision was anyone one else’s but his. Its silly to think that Preller has any clue about what he is doing.
I have a few questions here.
1) Why are you a Padres fan if you don’t like the team?
2) What proof do have that A.J. has been trying to get Profar for 3 seasons?
3) Since Preller is clueless – who would you hire as our GM?
All those things were true when Preller made his other boneheaded moves, too. He could call on the analysts, scouts, coaches, and finance people before he signed Hosmer. Didn’t stop him from making a stupid deal. The same people were available when he gave Myers an extension that gave Wil long-term security but saved the team no money.
Every single team has a support group. They’re not all equally good.
Preller can find amateur talent, and he can convince the owners to pay for it. That’s an important skill, but it’s only part of what makes a good GM.
So then we should go back to rolling out guys like Everth Cabrera, Will Venable, Chris Denorfia, Rene Rivera, Seth Smith, Yonder Alonso, Carlos Quentin, Alexi Amarista?
Being a fan does not mean endorsing everything the team does. Otherwise it’s just blind geographic / brand loyalty.
Did we have to like it when Moorad tried to buy the team on layaway and slashed payroll? No, we did not.
Did we have to like it when Moores told Alderson to minimize draft costs and ignore the internal market? No, we did not.
Did we have to like it when Byrnes made a knee-jerk reaction to Rizzo’s struggles and traded him for GD Andrew Cashner? Nope.
We also don’t have to like it when Preller makes moves that do not improve the major league team while giving up players who might actually contribute to a future winning squad.
I hear ya, but the continual bashing of the team is not loyalty.
It’s like a job or a relationship. If the job or relationship is toxic then why not leave and find another team.
A lot of Padre fans just hate every move the team makes without understanding why or how. I’ve seen people bash the Urias trade and think we should then go sign Rendon or trade for a Lindor. How would that work? Trade Manny and have Rendon play third? Acquire Lindor to have him play SS and move Tatis to 2B? People are just clueless.
Just my cluttered frustration.
Some of those players had better seasons with SD than Profar has EVER had. Most of them had seasons that were right in line with Profar’s best, and only good, year.
Profar’s provided. 2.8 fWAR in 2018.
Cabrera and Denorfia both beat that in 2013, and they cost next to nothing.
Venable and Smith basically matched Profar’s best year as Padres.
Rivera almost doubled Profar’s 2018, but that was all kinds of fluky. Still, it happened, and he was also dirt cheap.
I will never say anything good about Alonso.
Acquiring Quentin wasn’t a horrible idea, the extension was boneheaded, but even with awful defense and physical fragility, he provided 2.2 fWAR in 2012.
Profar fits right in with all those guys you listed as past mistakes.
You win.
Who’s talking about every move? Many people in this discussion have given credit to Preller for his ability to find amateur talent. I’ve defended the signing of Machado.
Loyalty works both ways. If a team wants fans to be loyal to them, they need to show actual competency in building a major league roster. So far Preller has failed to do so since the winter of 2014. We’ll see what the rest of this winter brings, but to this point his offseason moves have made us a couple games better at most, and NONE of that improvement comes from acquiring Profar.
The buck stops at the GM. It doesn’t matter who advises him, when he makes stupid decisions its 100% his responsibility.
I hear that.
Exactly. Glad they don’t actually work in the MLB
Yeah, for $5.7m, Austin Allen and a PTBNL they could have done better than Profar.
Time will tell, let’s give it a try and see what happens.
Nope!
Yes mr negative there are two sides to everything in life I see you like the dark side too bad
You are a child.
We have already seen what Profar can do. If you wanted to give it a try and see what happens then Urias would be starting at 2B in 2020. Pull your head out of Preller’s behind.
If Profar can rediscover some of the ability that made him a top prospect years ago this could work out for the Padres. They already have some pretty solid offense from their current core of INF – so they’ll have the ability to be somewhat patient with Profar and not rely on him to immediately produce at high level offensively. If he can even just be the .250/20HR guy he was in his final year in Oakland that wouldn’t be a bad line to pair with the offensive threats of Machado, Tatis and Hosmer in their INF. That is of course… assuming his case of the “yips” is over and he doesn’t have the disastrous year defensively that he did last year — though once he seemingly got past the “yips” portion of his season he seemed to level off enough to quell any fears that those struggles will continue into next season.
And if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle.
Wow that’s about 40 yrs old
You wouldn’t know.
Is this supposed to be a consolation prize for missing out on Villar?
If it is, it’s not very consoling.
Villar goes to Miami for $10.4M as a one yr rental and the Marlins gave up one of their top pitching prospects. Does that make sense, NOT
You sure you know who Miami gave up?
Who was it?
Easton Lucas. Here is what the MLBTR article about that trade has to say about him:
In Lucas, Baltimore brings aboard a recent 14th round pick out of Pepperdine. GM Mike Elias voiced an expectation that Lucas could someday mature into a back-end starter (via Roch Kubatko of MASN), but he was not rated among the Marlins’ top prospects. Instead, the decision to waive, and eventually trade, Villar seems motivated almost entirely by a desire to clear his projected salary off the books.
Will either Barreto or Matteo finally get their chance? If not this year, when? Seems they have both been top prospects for five years.
Another knucklehead move by Preller,in what is becoming a rather long list of questionable moves.
How much longer til Preller is gone?I give him 2 more seasons max.
Read the sport section he has 2020 and if he doesn’t bring this team to .500 he’s gone, gone, gone
I’ve never heard so many negative nannies in my life. Wouldn’t all you negative nannies be surprised if the team in 2020 goes over.500 what would you then complain about, please take a pill and mellow out
I don’t get it. Profar is not without talent, but his career WAR is 4.0 in 1,830 PAs. I assume Preller is counting on Profar’s prospect ranking, but that was 6-7 years ago. Some guys go crazy in their walk year, but I’m not sure he can regain that status this late.
I also wonder if Oakland might have non-tendered him, and whether he could’ve been gotten for nothing.
The ONLY thing Preller knowss is prospect rankings. He’s still shocked and dumbfounded when prospects don’t perform in the big leagues. And that says a lot about his GM skills.
Some people suggest that Kinsler might be the PTBNL. That is the only way this makes sense.