8:36 pm: The Padres have agreed with Profar on a $5.7MM salary to avoid arbitration, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today.
1:52 pm: The Padres and Athletics have agreed to a trade that’ll send infielder Jurickson Profar from Oakland to San Diego in exchange for catcher Austin Allen and a player to be named later. Profar, who’d been projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn $5.8MM through arbitration, was a non-tender candidate in Oakland but is now in line to play a significant role with the Padres in 2020. The move reunites him with Padres GM A.J. Preller, who played an integral part in signing Profar as an amateur during his time with the Rangers organization. Meanwhile, the A’s pick up a potential backup catcher who can step immediately onto the roster.
San Diego’s trade of Luis Urias last week left a hole at second base, where Ian Kinsler, Greg Garcia and Ty France all seemed likely to vie for playing time this spring. Now, Profar will presumably step to the top of the depth chart, rounding out an infield that also features Manny Machado, Fernando Tatis Jr. and Eric Hosmer.
For the Athletics, they’ll now have their own infield vacancy, though that was arguably the case for some of the 2019 season due to Profar’s struggles. The former No. 1 overall prospect has proven himself healthy after a pair of shoulder surgeries wiped out two full seasons of his developmental years, but he’s yet to break out as a clear-cut big leaguer.
Profar hit .254/.335/.458 with the Rangers in 2018 but saw those numbers slip to .218/.301/.410 with the A’s in 2019. Of greater concern were Profar’s suddenly glaring defensive woes, as he developed a mild case of the yips early in the season that led to 11 throwing errors (and an ugly -10 Defensive Runs Saved mark). With Profar now in San Diego, the A’s can turn to one of Franklin Barreto, Jorge Mateo or Sheldon Neuse at second base. Alternatively, they can explore a saturated market of second base options — both in free agency and in trade — and hope to land a quality veteran a discount rate.
Allen, 25, was San Diego’s fourth-round pick back in 2015 and made his MLB debut with the Padres in 2019, hitting .215/.282/.277 in a tiny sample of 71 plate appearances. He feasted on the juiced ball in Triple-A El Paso, though, hitting .330/.379/.663 with 21 homers and 27 doubles in just 298 plate appearances. Evaluating players in what was already an extremely hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League became even tougher with the league’s adoption of the MLB ball, but Allen has regularly been an above-average hitter throughout his time in the minors.
Allen is the definition of a bat-first catching option, as scouting reports on him dating back to college have questioned his ability to catch at a passable level. He’s thrown out just 22 percent of attempted base thieves in the minors, and the word was out on him in the Majors, as he went 1-for-9 in halting runners in just 19 games (14 starts, 128 innings). To his credit, Allen has posted quality framing numbers in each of the past two seasons, but whether he’ll be able to do over a larger sample remains to be seen. Allen has also gotten some work in at first base — perhaps a portent for things to come.
The A’s have been on the lookout for a left-handed-hitting bat to pair with top catching prospect Sean Murphy, who hits from the right side of the dish, and it seems they might’ve found their man in Allen. This acquisition only furthers the likelihood that right-handed-hitting Josh Phegley, himself a non-tender candidate, has played in his final game with the A’s.
Robert Murray first reported that Profar had been dealt to San Diego (via Twitter). ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported the Athletics’ return (Twitter link).
DarkSide830
RIP that Padres fan(s) who was happy they didnt do this last offseason
burnt_reynolds
This headline has felt inevitable for 4 years, which makes it no less of a head-scratcher now. Not sure how AJ thinks hes gonna fix this dude just because he drafted him, but his narcissism is definitely showing…
johnrealtime
He’s a narcissist because he likes the talent of a player he has a past with?
Deleted.User
Dumbest guy in the room but thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. Not a winning combination.
Billy Baroo
David Stearns of the Brewers has been a GM for 4 years. He inherited a team that finished 4th in 2015. Two years later he had them competing through September, then they took LA to 7 games in the NLCS, and they made the playoffs again this year.
Billy Beane has kept Oakland competitive for decades despite it being probably the poorest MLB team in terms of finance.
Those are the two guys with whom Preller, who has never yet built a competitive major league team, made his most recent trades. Who would you bet on getting the better of those deals when it comes to immediate major league impact?
Deleted.User
Padres actually have a surprisingly solid track record trading with the Oakland Athletics. Still, the only way the Padres win this trade is if they win the WS in 2020.
Billy Baroo
The Padres may have a good history, but many of those were under Byrnes, Hoyer, or Towers. Off the top of my head, the only Preller trade with Oakland was for Norris. He won that. There may be others that I don’t recall.
Deleted.User
Yonder Alonso for Drew Pomeranz. Preller won that.
Billy Baroo
Forgot that one. Indeed, that’s a big win.
nypadre66
Don’t know if I’d call that a win. Alonso was meh his first year with the A’s but played very well in 17 before being traded. Pomeranz didn’t last a year before he was traded for a surgeon’s dream.
Deleted.User
Espinoza was a premium prospect when he was traded. Did he pan out? No. But the number one rule of being a GM is to buy low and sell high and that’s exactly what Preller did there.
Koamalu
Trades are never graded when they happen, they are graded years later. Preller los the trade of Pomeranz with the Red Sox, so he lost the trade with the A’s.
Deleted.User
He won the trade with the A’s by a long shot. And while he did pick the right time to sell on Pomeranz, you can argue rather effortlessly that he should have traded him for something else.
outinleftfield
Alonso for Espinoza, which is the end result, is a loss for Preller.
Deleted.User
More a wash for him. Alonso was below replacement level in 2016 and wouldn’t have made up the 23 extra wins the Padres needed to get into the playoffs in 2017.
And flipping Alonso for Pomeranz was great. The Espinoza trade was completely separate.
Billy Baroo
Not how it works.
You trade Hudson Potts for Thor. Great trade. Impossible, but great.
A year later you trade Thor for a pair of used socks.
The second trade being awful doesn’t make the first trade bad.
Espinoza is exactly the kind of player you target when flipping a reclamation project like Pomeranz.. Espinoza getting hurt doesn’t mean he was a bad target, it’s the risk inherent in trading for any player, especially any young pitcher. You need stars to win, and Espinoza could have been a star.
It would have been a worse move to trade Pom for, say, a utility infielder who then played every year for the major league club but provided nothing that dozens of other utility players could have.
SDHotDawg
Espinoza realty check:
He was hyped to the moon by the Red Sox and their media. When he made the jump from Rookie ball to Low-A, he was very hittable, pitching to a 4.59 ERA across two leagues – before he got hurt.
Billy Baroo
He was almost 4 years younger than the average Low A player. At that difference in age, ERA means almost nothing. The year before, when he was still much younger than his competition, he was striking out 10 per 9 with electric stuff.
He was ranked in the top 50 prospects by….everybody, basically. He was ranked one of the top international prospects before he put his name on the contract with the Red Sox. That wasn’t Boston hype.
Any young pitcher has the potential to get hurt (TINSTAAPP). That’s why a good GM acquires so many of them.
SDHotDawg
So, basically your analysis is based on arbitrary, and often skewed, prospect rankings? No offense, but I take those things with a grain of salt and a glass of vinegar. Jurickson Profar was the #1 prospect in baseball. So was Yoan Moncada. And Delmon Young. And Byron Buxton …
Putting such a high value on such a young prospect is like rolling the dice. Only the odds are better with the bones.
You are spot on with TINSTAAPP.
Billy Baroo
My analysis is based on the fact that baseball is hard, and prospects fail, and great teams are made of great players. If you’re cashing in a lottery ticket, like 2016 Pom, it makes sense to look for a big return. Were there other high-ceiling players who might have been available? Probably. Some of those players have busted, too. Some turned out to be zero ceiling. We can fault Preller for a lot of things, but grabbing Espinoza isn’t one of them.
There’s a time and place to acquire high floor, low ceiling players. The 2016 Padres were not in that time or place. They turned a below-average 1b into an above-average SP and then turned that SP into Espinoza, who had a maybe a 5% chance of being a top of the rotation starter, the kind of pitcher we had zero of in the system. That was a smart move. It didn’t work out, but that doesn’t make it dumb. Good process, bad outcome.
SDHotDawg
I get what you’re saying. Really. But the only reason we had “zero” of anything in our farm system is because Preller had already decimated it.
As an aside, I really hate the term “high floor.” That just sounds like an excuse for limited talent, IMO. A player either has potential (his “ceiling”), or he doesn’t. It’s like euphamistically calling a crappy pitcher an “innings eater.”
VegasSDfan
That was me that said thank god we missed out on Profar. Urias or Profar, I feel like Urias is a better long term bet. This is Prellers last year, he is done.
throwinched10
Back up infielder in case Quiroz/France can’t get the job done at 2b?
I guess he can also back up SS compared to France and Quiroz who are only 2b/3b.
lowtalker1
You mean France that’s only 1sr and 3rd
DarkSide830
im assuming they’re just refering to backup options.
agentx
France did play some 2B last year, but may not be better there defensively by a wide enough margin to play there regularly over Profar.
I would have preferred seeing France get a shot over Profar but can understand that acquiring Profar is for Preller a lower-risk move in what could be his final year as GM if this offseason does not go well.
lowtalker1
Yeah that was an experiment. Like myers at third. France played 1st and 3rd in minors. Then he played briefly at second in minors before being recalled by the padres.
mlbh
More likely the “vs LHP”. half of a platoon with Garcia, who hits RHP very well.
2019:
Garcia vs RHP
.254/.370/.373
wRC+ 103
Profar vs LHP
.305/.378/.457
wRC+ 125
zippytms
A wRC+ of 103 is pretty underwhelming for second base, and Garcia overachieved compared to all of his expected stats based on batted ball profile. Maybe they’re still working on adding a lefty-hitting 2B and Profar becomes the short side of a platoon with Garcia moving on.
Pads Fans
103 wRC+ and 101 OPS+ is not very well. Its average. Garcia is an average bat against RHP.
If in your mind Profar is just there to platoon against LHP, 20% of the pitchers in other words, well…
Urias hit .351/.383/.509/.892 with a 132 OPS+ and 132 wRC+ against LHP. He will make $600k while Profar will make $6 million.
Why in the world would you trade away a guy that costs less, is better on offense and defense with 6 years of control and make another trade for a guy who in your opinion will platoon against just 20% of pitchers and has just one year of team control?
How does that make sense at all.
mrpadre19
Pads Fan maybe because he wanted Grisham?
You’re acting like Urias was traded for a bag of balls.
Obviously Preller prefers Grisham and Profar over Urias and Allen.
Are you saying he shouldn’t?
We have our 2b of the future in Edwards…..
We don’t need 5 years of someone.
Billy Baroo
Preller’s preferences have often been mistaken.
I like Edwards a lot as a prospect, but he’s spent 46 games in High A. It’s way too soon to pencil him in as a major league 2b. Urias, for comparison, played 120 games in High A, at a younger age, and hit 330/397/440.
The Profar trade is a bad use of resources. Let Oakland release him and get him for nothing. If that’s the best you can do for a possible 20-30 HR catcher, then hang up the phone. You can get Profar’s 2020 production for a lot less money and no trade chips.
Deleted.User
Edwards isn’t guaranteed to be better than Urias or even be a major league starter. And even that won’t happen for another 2 years. Padres are apparently under an ownership mandate to contend in 2020?
Priggs89
Funny. I remember when Urias was the 2B of the future. But sure, Edwards is definitely going to work out.
mrpadre19
None of that has anything to do with Grisham.
They were two separate deals.
Filling 2b is easier than getting a good LH hitting outfielder.
So Urias was dealt.
And obviously they don’t think Urias will ever catch up to a ML fastball.
Deleted.User
If filling 2nd base is so easy how come the Padres have ZERO starting quality 2nd basemen on their roster?
He already has caught up to a MLB fastball. He hit it better than any other pitch in 2020.
Priggs89
Did they get a good LH hitting outfielder?
Deleted.User
They got the guy who single-handedly lost the Wild Card game for the Brewers.
nypadre66
They got a guy with a career .230 batting average in the minors other than a 130 at bat hot streak in the PCL (wow, a 380 hitter in the PCL…that’s impressive) last year. So, someone with stats that are worse than Naylor, Margot or Renfroe at comparable levels.
Pads Fans
I answered that below. Keep reading. Grisham has a ceiling of a 4th or 5th OF. Urias is a possible GG caliber, .300 hitting 2B with 6 years of team control. .
Urias hit better than Profar last year. Urias hit as well as Grisham in the minors last year. The Padres needed Urias and they gave him 77 starts in 2 years and never gave him more than 2 months at a stretch. STUPID.
That Preller is an idiot is evident. Of course i am saying he shouldn’t. Everything that is being said about these trades is questioning his ability to make decisions.
Edwards is two years away. Urias was better and younger when he was in High A ball. Are you REALLY even trying to say that a kid that is not as good as Urias is the future at 2B when he won’t even get a cup of coffee in the majors for another 2-3 years?
VegasSDfan
Preller is done, this season is going to be it for him. Profar?
Trades Urias for 4A players?
The writings on the wall, he has no idea what hes doing.
Billy Baroo
Profar’s career vs LHP: 246/324/366, 83 WRC+.
Pads Fans
A $6 million backup? They already have that in Kinsler. WTF is Preller thinking?
Deleted.User
Absolutely nothing.
mlbh
Maybe he’s thinking that Kinsler is 36 and he isn’t a starter, whereas he now has a guy with 2 years of team control that can contribute against LHP and provide depth at every infield position.
A platoon of Garcia and Profar gives you a 2B that gets on base at a .370 clip, so maybe he’s also thinking that.
Deleted.User
Profar has ONE year of team control. Not two.
Pads Fans
1 year of team control. Kinsler was horrible last season and he was still better than Profar. Urias was better than Profar. A platoon of Garcia and Urias gives you a 2B that gets on at a higher clip because Urias was better than Profar against LHP. .
mrpadre19
He’s not a $6 million backup.
He will play against LH pitchers.
Deleted.User
@mrpadre19 Didn’t you say the Kemp trade was good for the Padres?
Billy Baroo
Playing against LHP gives him about 200 at-bats.
Last year was his absolute best vs LHP, and it was good, no doubt. 125 WRC=. It was also only 119 plate appearances. His career marks vs LHP are nowhere near as good — 83 WRC+.
$6M, Allen, another trade chip, and a roster spot for 200 at-bats. TOTALLY worth it.
It’d be better if Profar could be a backup, but he can’t make the throw from SS or 3b anymore.
Pads Fans
Profar wont play against RHP. He hit .192 with no power against them.
LH pitchers make up 20% of the pitchers. That means he is the backup.
mrpadre19
Don’t think so.
I do know I am no fan of Grandal.
Deleted.User
Yes you did.
mlbtraderumors.com/2016/04/rosenthals-latest-jays-…
And if you don’t like Grandal, he was still pre-arb, so the simple solution was to just non-tender him. They didn’t have to trade for Kemp to get rid of him.
Billy Baroo
Yeah, why would anybody want a 5 win / year catcher who’s been the starter on five consecutive playoff teams?
“Grandal will never stay healthy.” Your words.
Too bad there’s not an automated reputation feature.
reflect
I don’t even remember how this guy ended up on the not-Rangers
Buddy “Bud” Hull
Emilio Pagan deal way trade between Rangers, A’s and Rays.
reflect
Thanks. I remember that now.
sherlock_
Which blew up in Oakland’s face like usual:(
arc89
Not really the guy the A’s gave up for pagan from the M’s was released. Melvin used Pagan wrong. pagan is more of a situational reliever against RHB.
oaklandfan22
Don’t remind us
acarneglia
We have a trade!
dynamite drop in monty
We got Vikram!
BalcoBomber
He’s taking a long time. Is it possible he’s bowling? I mean you know him better than I do.
SoxPow
What size are you, A men’s 10?
24TheKid
I’m glad to see that some people on MLBTR are cultured.
tybuch
This is very surprising to me
kingtopher
I feel like this is going to be 2015 all over again.
SDHotDawg
Probably closer to 2016.
bucketbrew35
His bat really doesn’t play well at most parks but especially so at Petco.
MrMet915
That’s exactly my thought, .218 is about to be sub .200 if he even thinks of chasing 20 homers again
RaysFan1798
Small sample size he is 6 for 12 with 2 homers believe it or not
virginiascopist
Yes, but does it count since it was against Padres pitching?
OregonCoastKelly
Petco plays very evenly now since they brought in the fences.. Oakland favors pitchers, Texas favors hitters. Petco is somewhere in the middle now.
Francys01
Preller is a happy man, he always wanted to have Profar in the team.
MrMet915
Hope he doesn’t think he’ll get anywhere near 20 for a third straight year, not in that mammoth of a park
Depth up the middle, not a bad move for Preller and Co barring some absurd price
mrpadre19
It is not a mammoth park.
harpchado
This will not help make us a winning team. A player like DIDI for 2b helps. This is nothing more than insurance, need bigger moves than Profar with his low OBP.
spinach
Pretty sure Didi would rather play the position he would rather play, for a good team. Would you have the Padres offer him nine figures?
mrpadre19
Harpchado the offseason is just getting started.
Psychguy
Wouldn’t Villar have made more sense?
MrMet915
Great point! Any rumor about where he’s potentially going???
No fit in Queens but man I’d love to have that speed stop the lineup, but no room for more infielders
stretch123
Villar makes more sense for sure. He would be a nice piece for any team with that speed of his.
anoff
eh. Same amount of control, though Villar is substantially more expensive. I would say total value they’re about even, but it comes from different things. Profar (putting aside his out of character struggle last season) is the superior defender, has a bit more positional flexibility, and has a considerable pedigree that was derailed by injury – that is to say, you might believe that he has a lot of untapped potential still. Villar on the other hand, is generally considered a porous defender (hence the move off SS), and has the better offensive tools with speed and power, though they are significantly offset by his propensity to get thrown out stealing and high strike out rates. Profar probably has the slightly higher floor due to his all around game, while Villar is the type where you’re hoping to catch lightning in a bottle for 500 ABs.
Vin Scully
Profar is awful. Villar is a good player. Not even close.
tjmacari
I agree, you can’t compare Villar and Profar. If the A’s end up grabbing Villar I’ll scream with delight
johnrealtime
Just wait until Villar is coming off a bad season, you and the rest of the reactionary commentariat lacking in long term memory will call him awful as well
Deleted.User
And you will do the same with Preller when Luis Urias has an All Star nod under his belt and Jurickson Profar has another season of “meh” under his belt and signs with someone else next offseason.
nowheretogobutup
Villar goes to Miami for $10.4M as a one yr rental and the Marlins gave up one of their top pitching prospects. Does that make sense, NOT
Deleted.User
TIL that Easton Lucas was one of the Marlins’ top pitching prospects.
VegasSDfan
Urias is a cant miss. Preller will be fired before this upcoming seasons over.
Pads Fans
What top pitching prospect? Lucas is a 14th round pick, a 4 year college player, that was a 23 year old in Low A to end 2019. He was not in the Marlins top 30 nor is he in the Orioles top 30..
johnrealtime
You make assumptions. In not a padres fan and neither a Preller hater or lover. I think we’ll see how his moves turn out, some have good and some notoriously bad. I am a fan or Urias’ talent and think the brewers won that trade
My comment was in response to people like Vin calling a player “awful” after a bad season, and I’m certain that if Villar has one bad year he would receive the same treatment. A player is judged based on their most recent season too often around here when non HOF player careers are often filled with peaks and valleys. Wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Profar succeed in SD, I do think he is overpaid though and it is a risk. Will be an intriguing storyline on a young talented team
tybuch
I wonder what it took
maximumvelocity
They could have signed Yolmer Sanchez and gotten better value out of the deal.
If you are going to go after a guy that can’t hit, might as well find someone who can actually field.
Pads Fans
They had that guy in Urias. Preller is making dumb moves.
maximumvelocity
And Urias Is one tenth the cost.
lowtalker1
He still sucks
Rich Hill’s Elbow
And here I thought Preller was going to reunite Machado and Schoop…
denny816
Does this mean Neuse is in line for the 2B job in Oakland?
tjmacari
A’s would be ok with a Neuse/Mateo platoon batting 9th, but I’m crossing my fingers for a solid veteran 2B man, and let Neuse/Mateo start in AAA
erauber
I think Mateo is out of options
99socalfrc
LOL, Get your head choppin tool ready Ron Fowler. Trading away Urias then replacing him with a career .234 hitter that cost you $6m is something only AJ Preller would do. What a moron.
mlbh
You know Urías can’t hit a major league fastball right?*
You know Grisham, acquired for Urías is now the Padres’ best OF right?
*Urías only pulled 2 FB over 93MPH all season last year and had a runs created above average against all types of fastballs. His heat chart vs FB (on baseball savant) is all blue with on little red spot on up and away where he’s able to fight them off.
Longboarder
So he needed a 2nd baseman. That’s a given, but not so soon, and not with this guy. They blew it when the let Freddy Galvis get away. Another stupid Preller move.
99socalfrc
Urias was 300 at bats into his career. I wasn’t his biggest fan, but giving up on him so they can bring in another one of Preller’s boys, overpay him and watch him hit .230 is dumb. Urias MIGHT be a below average player, Profar IS a below average player.
The Oakland A’s don’t want the guy anymore, AJ Preller does. Which front office do we think is right?
Anthony Princeton
You know how ridiculous it is to make any definitive claims about an elite prospect that didn’t turn 22 until June with less than 250 PA’s? When Urias was called back up he did hit .241/.341/.351.
If Grisham is the Padres best OF now, that says more about Padres player development/talent than Grisham’s greatness.
Deleted.User
Urias hits the fastball better than any other pitch.
Grisham sucks.
Pads Fans
Where did you read that Urias can’t hit a FB. Not what the stats say on Fangraphs. fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=16622&posi… He only hit the CB better and he only faced 63 curveballs total.
Here is his heatmap vs FB. Doesn’t show what you tried to claim at all.
fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=16622&po…
If you are going to try referencing something, put a link. Your * is false as far as I can find.
Grisham was not even a prospect. Not on the lists. An afterthought. He had a decent minor league season with the juiced ball and then sucked in the majors hitting .231/.328/.410/.738. Wil Myers hit better than that. Renfroe>>>>>>>>>Grisham.
Keep in mind that Urias showed just as good of power in the minors as Grisham did last season.
.315/.398/.600/.998
vs
.300/.407/.603/1.010
Shoot, France hit better than either of them in the minors last season going .399/.477/.770/1.247 with 27 HR.
Now that what you said has thoroughly been blown out, try again.
Pads Fans
Urias got better every month he played regularly in the majors. Against FB he hit .255 in September after .239 in August. He hit .273 against FB in August of last year.
baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/luis-urias-64…
Your information is flat out wrong.
Priggs89
If Grisham is the Padres best OF, they’re in serious trouble. He was mediocre in his call-up, and his minor league career up until last year was trash.
Darkhorse9
What did Urias hit last season? So they got a young talented LH OF and a solid #4 out of it and end up w the same production from the 2B position…
Deleted.User
Padres didn’t trade away what Urias did. They traded away what he will do.
Same production from the 2B production? I’ll be shocked beyond belief if Profar is as productive as Urias in 2020 and they certainly won’t get the same production after that because Profar will be a FA.
mrpadre19
The Padres 2b of the future is Xavier Edwards.
Not Urias…not Profar.
Profar is a flyer for 2020.
If he plays well maybe we extend him for 1-2 years……or maybe not.
But he doesn’t have to be a long term solution at 2b.
Deleted.User
@mrpadre19 Jurickson Profar is not the type of player you trade for in order to gain an advantage in extension talks. Especially not if it costs a top 30 prospect from arguably the game’s best farm system.
There are other “flyers” for 2020 that they could have picked up who are just as good if not better and would have cost less, both in terms of money and prospects.
mrpadre19
Adrian Gonzalez German Marquez…..obviously Preller disagrees.
I’m thinking this is all part of a bigger plan.
There’s no way Grisham/Davies/Profar are our offseason.
So let’s see how this all plays eh?
Deleted.User
Does it matter if he disagrees? This is the guy who thought Matt Kemp was worth more than Yasmani Grandal. That Wil Myers was worth more than Trea Turner. Who thought Eric Hosmer was worth $144m.
SDHotDawg
I’m so freaking tired of hearing about Preller’s alleged “plans.” He is proving to be a failure, and claiming he has a “plan” is not a defense of anything he has done.
Strike Four
Preller literally said no to Urias yes to Profar god damn this guy is terrible
mrpadre19
Strike Four you guys are thinking short term.
Thank Gwynn Preller isn’t.
Deleted.User
Absolutely he is thinking short term! He just traded for a guy who can be a FA after 2020.
mrpadre19
Because he already has his 2b of the future.
He didn’t say “no to Urias and yes to Profar”.
He said yes to Grisham/Davies/Profar.
It’s a chess game……don’t judge the entire offseason on each move but on the whole.
It’s just started…..
Billy Baroo
Sure, because Preller has shown himself to a Grand Master in the past.
2015 he acquired a bunch of pawns and tried to use them as knights, bishops, and rooks.
Deleted.User
And Profar is a short-term piece because he only has 1 year of control.
Oh and Edwards still isn’t guaranteed to be better than Urias, or even to be a starter.
Pads Fans
Solid #4? The Padres gave up a solid #4 starting pitcher and got an 88mph RHP with LESS team control. Urias hit BETTER than Profar last year and played better defense. Myers, someone you have pitched a fit about, hit better than Grisham last season. Urias hit as well, including power, as Grisham did in the minors last season. Anything else you care to be wrong about?
mrpadre19
Urias’ s replacement is a year and a half away.
It isn’t Profar.
Pads Fans
2.5 years away IF he makes it. Urias was younger and better in High A than Edwards was this season.
lowtalker1
Well it’s someone on the 40 since they already had a full 40…
maybe Kinsler ?
lonestardodger
Or they could dfa someone
lowtalker1
Maybe, plenty to clear. Or kinsler to off set salary. One year left and sitting at 1999 hits
agentx
Kinsler could be useful as a stopgap should OAK choose to transition Neuse into a starting role, though I’m guessing SD will be sending a low-level minor leaguer or PTBNL.
csspackler
I’m guessing Perdomo is non-tendered.
Pads Fans
Diaz was DFA.
MrStealYoBase
$5.8M is a lot for a guy who is not very good at much
tjmacari
I’m just happy I don’t have to see him throw to 1B anymore
sacball
Have fun with the YIPS! so glad I don’t have to watch him rainbow a throw 30 feet anymore…
CrewBrew
talk about a cluster of infield options lol
Longboarder
Good grief. Preller the wunderkind. Another classic. What could he possibly see here?
csspackler
Indecently low BABIP (.218) last year. Bound to improve.
Asfan0780
He went from Arlington to the 2 worst hitting ballparks, probably doesnt help
kingcong95
Too many ground balls straight into the shift. Need an approach tweaking.
Marcus was already taken
I kinda like the deal
SDHotDawg
Improve to what? His career Avg of .234?
Begamin
Does anyone know what the A’s got in return? I skimmed through the article a few times and didnt see it
baseballhobo
It will be a PTBNL or cash.
Strike Four
Austin Allen and a PTBNL, Preller lost
nowheretogobutup
Thanks for you positive spin on everything that goes down in Friar land
SDHotDawg
If you want positive spin, go watch your toilet flush. In the meantime, most of us in Friarland are tired of the B-S excuses for losing, and the irrational hero worship of a GM who hasn’t proven he knows anything about building a winning major league team.
Deleted.User
“If you want positive spin, go watch your toilet flush.”
I laughed
outinleftfield
Post of the thread. Go watch your toilet flush. Classic.
TheAdrianBeltre
Kinda ironic that in Texas Kinsler was traded to make room for Profar, and all these years later…
Strike Four
Wow, good call. That’s so weird!
Rangers29
Nice to see him go to a team out of the division, so I can cheer for him again. Hope the padres can bring out his inner top prospect.
Asfan0780
Profar hit well in 2nd half. I wouldnt have minded him in LF , grossman sucks
oaklandfan22
I agree, I can’t take much more of watching Grossman play
tjmacari
I actually agree, I would much rather have Profar in LF than keeping Grossman
Strike Four
Ironic Beane got Profar for Pagan, and then he treated Profar exactly like Pagan – being put in positions where they can fail the worst. Love Austin Allen though, and Pagan and Allen are fair value, so its like Beane erased his mistake of being obsessed with high upside low ceiling types like Profar. Mike Trout sure messed with his head, but I digress…
A’s would have won more games if Profar played 1B instead of Morales, fact. Profar is a good 1B and serviable LF, fact.
Beane won this trade handily, as he was probably expecting no one to bite on Profar and he got an interesting prospect and another one out of it, and the Padres? They think Profar is better than Urias, Peraza and Villar??? He’s, uh, not.
jbigz12
Emilio Pagan> Austin Allen
JohhnyBets67
A wet napkin>>> Austin Allen’s limp defense
Pads Fans
He hit .228 in the 2nd half.
Hired Gun 23
I was hoping it was going to be Villar or Cesar Hernandez. I’m trying to stay positive at the deals made so far but AJ isn’t making it easy…
OregonCoastKelly
Agree! Villar is better, wouldn’t cost prospects.
mrpadre19
Allen had nowhere to play.
We have many better options at C.
Maybe he could have been part of a better deal but he wasn’t playing meaningful innings in SD unless something went really wrong.
Hope he does well in Oak.
Deleted.User
That’s exactly it. He could have been part of a better deal. There was a very good chance Profar was non-tendered if the A’s didn’t find a taker for him. Then Preller could have picked him up and kept Allen.
Billy Baroo
Yeah.
Say Allen is worth $5. For comparison, a Patino would be a $50 bill.
Profar was on the clearance rack for .50 cents.
Preller handed the cashier a $5 bill and said “Keep the change.” It’s idiotic.
mrpadre19
You guys are just assuming that no other team was interested.
Maybe that wasn’t the case?
Or are you listening in?
Saying he was about to be non tendered as if it’s fact may not be true.
Obviously if Profar was about to be non tendered Preller wouldn’t have traded for him…..but then again,he wasn’t guaranteed to get him unless he did.
Unless you guys also know that no other team wanted him also?
A 26 year old former top prospect and no one else would have been interested.
keepinthafaithsd1
He does this often..preller is known to be a big tipper. SmDh
Billy Baroo
Sure, teams were lining up to get him. 218/301/418 second basemen with noodle arms are this year’s hot Christmas toy.
Many teams would have approached Profar as a free agent, after he was cut. 1, 2 million dollars max, probably no guaranteed 40 man spot. SD would still have the advantage because of Preller’s relationship with him.
Deleted.User
If other teams were interested I say “let them have him.” Profar is a FA in one year anyway.
“A 26 year old former top prospect”
Urias is a 22 year-old former top prospect who is less further removed from his prospect days and doesn’t have a long track record of being “meh” in the majors.
Pads Fans
Who are the better options? Mejia is destined for LF. Hedges can’t hit his weight. So who exactly is the better option?
Pads Fans
Not many teams interested in a $6 million backup 2B that hits under .220 while playing bad defense.
DarkSide830
im hoping the Phils get a deal done with Cesar. he’s a nice 2B piece, but he’s always felt like one who provided more value as a tradable asset.
Asfan0780
Outfielders Buddy reed and hudson head among potential prospect returns.
beersy
Where are you seeing those names as potential return? The Padres just gave Head a record bonus for a 3rd round pick, I would be quite surprised if they dealt him for Profar.
HalosHeavenJJ
Odd move with a flooded free agent market. Preller must really think he’ll bounce back.
OregonCoastKelly
I’m guessing Kinsler gets booted from the 40-man?
Hired Gun 23
Kinsler needs to go.
Pads Fans
Diaz was DFA.
IjustloveBaseball
I had a tough time analyzing Profar in ’19. His overall numbers clearly left some to be desired, however, he was one of those players that seemingly had a big hit every time I watched the A’s — coincidental as it may be, it stuck with me.
I think trading for Profar is a risk worth taking for the Padres — at his worst, he’s a guy who offers versatility and a little pop, but I don’t think a rebound is out of the question.
bbatardo
I really hope he is coming over as a utility player and not the starting 2B
tuna411
I’m hoping Mateo takes the 2b job and runs with it. 65 extra base hits last season, lots of steals.
oaklandfan22
Either Barreto/Mateo now.
denny816
Neuse?
oaklandfan22
Neuse is another option. Played very well towards the end of last season. Will be interesting to see who it goes to.
Asfan0780
Baretto and mteo are out of options, i dont see both making roster
oaklandfan22
Was really hoping one of them would pan out. Hopefully one of them is able to really impress during spring training or we are able to get some value out of trading one of them (which i doubt is the case with Barreto).
athleticsnchill
One gets traded, the other gets a shot in spring.
beersy
Passan says the return is Austin Allen and a PTBNL. The Padres have quite a bit of catching depth and now there is no need for another roster move.
CrikesAlready
Preller and his busy work. Making moves just to make moves.
Yawn, wake me when he trades a future All-Star for a guy with a bad hip and a worse attitude…
DTD_ATL
Not a huge deal but he does he lefties well enough to be a solid platoon guy.
99socalfrc
LOL Padres have four second basemen now, non of them good enough to be an everyday big leaguer. Describing it as making moves just to make moves is perfect.
mrpadre19
99socalfrc…..obviously Preller knows what other moves he can/will be making.
We won’t be going to Opening day with 4 2b.
Maybe give the offseason a chance and it will all make sense.
Probably.
VegasSDfan
We went into the 2019 season with what 5 or 6 subpar outfielders?
The magical moves aren’t coming, he sells high, for low. He sells low for lower.
Im done with Preller. He is the worst gm in baseball, we are heading for last place again.
DarkSide830
Padres needed to make a move with their catching depth. not exactly what one would hope for in return, but still. have to imagine this means Phegly is gone with Allen, Heim, and Murphy all on the roster as well.
Pads Fans
What catching depth? Mejia can’t catch. He is headed to the OF long term. Hedges can’t hit his weight. Torrens isn’t MLB ready.
Pads Fans
Preller making bad move after bad move this offseason. 1st he gives up a good pitcher for a RHP that throws 88 mph and who is not better in anyway than the guy he traded away and compounds it by adding in the best position player prospect in the system for a 4th or 5th OF. Then he signs an often injured pitcher to a 4 year deal. Now he trades a MLB ready catcher for a never has been failure with only 1 year of control that will make $6 million in 2020. Considering the fact that Urias hit better than Profar’s .218/.301 in 2019 just makes this doubly stupid.
Not sure Preller can do anything else as stupid, but keep your eyes peeled for the really bad move to come. Padres are looking at another 90 loss season in 2020.
VegasSDfan
I cringe when I see an alert about a trade we made. I didnt want to open this trade alert, because I knew it would be garbage.
*Fowler, put a halt to Preller trading talent for trash. This has to stop. This team is going to be a disaster.
IloveMACfootball
Sneaky good Beane move here. Like it A’s.
Strike Four
Not sure if it qualifies as “sneaky” being SD came to him and begged to give him actually-interesting players for a guy he was going to give away for free.
holecamels35
Preller makes too many moves just for the hell of it, without a real vision. Sort of like when a player picks a team in franchise mode and makes a ton of trades, only to end up with a worse team and leave next season.
Journalist Benge
Seems the Padres traded from an area of depth as they are sending Austin Allen to Texas alongside a PTBNL. Great move for San Diego.
Strike Four
Correction: giving up two interesting pieces for a guy who can’t make throws from 2B is an absolutely terrible move by SD. You could have had Villar….
Pads Fans
Bad call on both points.
With Mejia sucking wind as a catcher and likely to be moved to the OF and no one other than Hedges MLB ready, not sure that is an area of depth.
Profar played for the A’s, not the Rangers.
Urias, the 2B Preller just traded for a bag of peanuts, hit better and played better defense than Profar in 2019.
Anything else you care to be wrong about?
padreforlife
Bingo
nowheretogobutup
Let’s let the Urias trade die, just let it go. Its done and for one Urias was highly over hyped. I’d bet anyone he doesn’t hit over .250 for 2020 and he’s an average D at 2B and below average at SS, its not like they traded Tatis or Paddock.
Deleted.User
No we will not let it go. Urias is a future All Star and what they did was a step above releasing him. And you wanna talk about overhyped? Just look at the guy they just traded for.
VegasSDfan
I will take the .250 bet with you
Pads Fans
This trade is the reason that Preller “Superstar GM” traded Urias. He had to make room for his boy Profar. What a joke.
I will take that bet on Urias. I also would take a bet that Profar won’t hit .250.
If you have seen him play you know that Urias is GG caliber defender at 2B. He was average at SS. Profar was neither. In fact, Profar was one of the worst fielding 2B in baseball last year.
Tatis played only a half season for the 2nd straight season. When he can play 150 games and hit like that I will anoint him myself. Until then he is just another suspect. BTW, Urias played better defense at SS than Tatis. Tatis had more highlight reel plays, but Urias was steady.
Koamalu
I will take that bet.
CrewBrew
Why not just spend the extra money on Villar? This guys crap.
nowheretogobutup
villar wanted three years at $8M per season he’s not worth $24M that’s why
Pads Fans
Villar was not a free agent. He is projected to make $10.4 million in arbitration.
VegasSDfan
Villar strikes out 170 times a year.
Strike Four
ATTN: Any Padres fans who think they are getting a middle infielder.
You are mistaken.
You got a somewhat decent 1B/OF. Please NEVER EVER EVER use him in any other role. Unless you like yips….
tjmacari
Seriously – this is not hyperbole
athleticsnchill
> perhaps a portent for things to come.
Excuse me? I didn’t know you were in the business of predicting way out trades now. What is this, crap on the A’s every chance you get month? Stick to the trade happening now.
jdgoat
There’s no reason to get offended by what was wrote. That in no way is the definition of “getting crapped on”.
athleticsnchill
There is no other way to interpret what that little bit means than “Olson is getting traded because it’s the A’s, duh.”
Just more unnecessary crap.
jdgoat
Or it might simply mean Allen could get time at first base dude. I could be wrong but I don’t see how the acquisition of Austin Allen could somehow lead to the trade of Matt Olson, and I don’t think anything written signified that.
athleticsnchill
Allen won’t get time at first base unless Olson is hurt. Again, I’m not seeing any other way to interpret this.
jbigz12
How much of a battered sensitiveA’s fan do you have to be to get upset about suggesting that Austin Allen might move to 1B in the future? He might move over to 1B because he is a piss poor defensive catcher.
You’re building your own narrative from nothing
tjmacari
Profar certinaly has loads of potential, but my gosh, I’m happy I no longer have to watch him play defense for my A’s. He was lucky to be surrounded by 3 gold glove winners/candidates
lowtalker1
Good thing he will be surrounded by 4 gold glove winners/candidates
fred-3
Hosmer’s gold gloves were a joke. Even if he won the award, he’s not much of a defender anymore
Pads Fans
Who would that be? Manny wasn’t last year. Not even nominated. Tatis didn’t play enough or good enough when healthy to be considered one. Urias is gone. Hosmer isn’t GG caliber. So are you talking about Hedges and Renfroe?
damon389
Allen’s defense sure doesn’t excite me as a backup. Sounds like he has the potential to hit, but I’d much rather give up some offensive production for a defense-first backup C.
Re Profar. I’m really sorry that he didn’t work out. Great guy, great attitude, and had flashes with both his bat and his glove, but his defensive fundamentals and his throwing were dreadful.
herecomdatboi
A’s scored. As much as I liked profar, Allen’s bat just seems more to par.
bravesfan
Top prospect that has done nothing but be terrible. Why the desire to hold on and hope he becomes good …
Deleted.User
And they don’t even have the upside of multiple years of cheap control if he becomes good.
Billy Baroo
Preller is a scout, not a general manager. This is an expensive, stupid trade.
If Preller had waited, he’d have been able to sign Profar to a minor league deal. At most a split deal or a cheap major league one-year contract. That would be okay, he comes to ST and you see what he’s got. Now you’re stuck paying him an arb-level salary.
Deleted.User
And giving up a top 30 prospect from a top farm system to do so.
VegasSDfan
I agree, Preller is a scout. They should move him to scouting. He is a terrible gm, terrible.
Deleted.User
Low-key hoping the Padres do bad in 2020 so that Preller gets the boot. Sometimes you have to get worse to get better.
spinach
“a saturated market of second base options ”
This links to a post about arbitration salaries.
its_happening
Good deal for Oakland. Acquired a guy who’s mashed the last 3 seasons in the minors. His hitting has earned a major league job. Nice work by Beane.
Eatdust666
Urias is an career .221 hitter with no power and a poor on base percentage and is overrated, whats up with the hype for him?
Deleted.User
Yep. A player’s career is already decided at age 22 after 302 PA’s. Thanks for reminding us.
Padres2019ha
You’re the new Padreforlife pessimist who only complains. Sounds fun
Deleted.User
Figured readers would be smart enough that I wouldn’t have to put /s at the end of my comment. Guess I was wrong.
padreforlife
Complains yea when GM is misfit of epic proportions yes
nowheretogobutup
I agree Urias is a best an average player at 2B and below average at SS
Deleted.User
Is your username referring to your IQ?
Pads Fans
Have you seen him play? He has 77 MLB starts. He never got 3 starts in a row until late July. Once he started playing everyday he got better and better ending the season hitting .300/.371 in September. He is still just 22 years old. EVERY single year in the minors he was one of the youngest in the league and hit around .300/.400 and overall was .308/.397.433/.830 in the minors.. He hit 19 HR in 295 AB in AAA this season. Trading him was incredibly short-sighted.
SDHotDawg
He wasn’t “Preller’s boy.” I seriously (almost) believe that’s the case. It’s an ego thing.
crazylarry
Just another “ Completely Clueless” Preller move.
VegasSDfan
Profar for anything is a bad trade. We know who he is, or never was, or will be.
Illusionist
I always liked Profar. Potential, but not there yet. It’s potential for a reason rather than just being defined as a good player. It’s okay, defintely not an overhaul move, and a waste to a player’s development if its a platoon role, otherwise short term Ok. I was hoping to see more of Ty France, actually reminds me of Hunter Renfore, with pop and swing miss type, but France has a better eye. We still need an outfielder and I hope to dump Myers salary even though I still think he’s a decent player, just not at 18 mil or close to that I think. Overall, I’ll take the move, but I expect another offensive player, and SP. I hope we don’t overspend though on a SP because we already did with hosmer and machado both totalting to about half our annual salary or 50 mil.
Deleted.User
Profar is and always has been overrated and the Padres basically have to win the World Series in 2020 for this trade to be a positive, regardless of what everyone involved ends up doing in the future.
JohhnyBets67
I shall call you Rhyno of the galaxy Profile change #28.
nowheretogobutup
Give me a break, Adrian you sound like the Monkey Boy who criticized everything the Padres did for the last three yrs, you must have changed you name(tag). Why don’t you drink a gallon of Smart Water with high alkaline and bring your thought process to at least a normal person
Deleted.User
You need a lobotomy. Maybe that will bring your IQ up to double digits.
nowheretogobutup
Wow what a great come back, LOL
Deleted.User
I know you like come on your back. But that’s a different story.
Pads Fans
Ryan??
Johnny Baseball
I think the Pirates Adam Frazier made more sense than Profar for the Padres 2B job until Abrams was ready. Frazier is cheaper and has more years of cheap control, and could of been had for a couple of the Padres surplus pitching. A RHP Baez/LHP Cantillo for Frazier deal would of made more sense..
tytomkiel
Wow. A LOT of GMs and analysts in here.
nowheretogobutup
Yaa all mostly negative so called GM’s, maybe they should jump off the bandwagon and become Dodger fans or somthing
tytomkiel
The moves aren’t solely made based on what AJ Preller thinks. There’s a whole analytics department, a whole scouting department, a whole coaching staff, finance, agents and a whole lot of relationships that play into these moves. It’s ignorant and silly to assume A.J. Preller walks into an office on a Monday morning and says ship Austin Allen to Oakland for Profar.
I like every move the Padres, not the Prellers, have made. The consistency in moves shows a constant drive to win.
@nowheretogobutup – this isn’t directed at you. I just agree with you.
Go Padres!
Pads Fans
LMFAO. You are serious aren’t you? That makes your comment even more hilarious. This was a stupid move. Urias hit better than Profar last season AND played plus defense while Profar was one of the worst defensive 2B in the game. Its ignorant to think that after 3 offseasons of Preller trying to trade for Profar that this decision was anyone one else’s but his. Its silly to think that Preller has any clue about what he is doing.
tytomkiel
I have a few questions here.
1) Why are you a Padres fan if you don’t like the team?
2) What proof do have that A.J. has been trying to get Profar for 3 seasons?
3) Since Preller is clueless – who would you hire as our GM?
Billy Baroo
All those things were true when Preller made his other boneheaded moves, too. He could call on the analysts, scouts, coaches, and finance people before he signed Hosmer. Didn’t stop him from making a stupid deal. The same people were available when he gave Myers an extension that gave Wil long-term security but saved the team no money.
Every single team has a support group. They’re not all equally good.
Preller can find amateur talent, and he can convince the owners to pay for it. That’s an important skill, but it’s only part of what makes a good GM.
tytomkiel
So then we should go back to rolling out guys like Everth Cabrera, Will Venable, Chris Denorfia, Rene Rivera, Seth Smith, Yonder Alonso, Carlos Quentin, Alexi Amarista?
Billy Baroo
Being a fan does not mean endorsing everything the team does. Otherwise it’s just blind geographic / brand loyalty.
Did we have to like it when Moorad tried to buy the team on layaway and slashed payroll? No, we did not.
Did we have to like it when Moores told Alderson to minimize draft costs and ignore the internal market? No, we did not.
Did we have to like it when Byrnes made a knee-jerk reaction to Rizzo’s struggles and traded him for GD Andrew Cashner? Nope.
We also don’t have to like it when Preller makes moves that do not improve the major league team while giving up players who might actually contribute to a future winning squad.
tytomkiel
I hear ya, but the continual bashing of the team is not loyalty.
It’s like a job or a relationship. If the job or relationship is toxic then why not leave and find another team.
A lot of Padre fans just hate every move the team makes without understanding why or how. I’ve seen people bash the Urias trade and think we should then go sign Rendon or trade for a Lindor. How would that work? Trade Manny and have Rendon play third? Acquire Lindor to have him play SS and move Tatis to 2B? People are just clueless.
Just my cluttered frustration.
Billy Baroo
Some of those players had better seasons with SD than Profar has EVER had. Most of them had seasons that were right in line with Profar’s best, and only good, year.
Profar’s provided. 2.8 fWAR in 2018.
Cabrera and Denorfia both beat that in 2013, and they cost next to nothing.
Venable and Smith basically matched Profar’s best year as Padres.
Rivera almost doubled Profar’s 2018, but that was all kinds of fluky. Still, it happened, and he was also dirt cheap.
I will never say anything good about Alonso.
Acquiring Quentin wasn’t a horrible idea, the extension was boneheaded, but even with awful defense and physical fragility, he provided 2.2 fWAR in 2012.
Profar fits right in with all those guys you listed as past mistakes.
tytomkiel
You win.
Billy Baroo
Who’s talking about every move? Many people in this discussion have given credit to Preller for his ability to find amateur talent. I’ve defended the signing of Machado.
Loyalty works both ways. If a team wants fans to be loyal to them, they need to show actual competency in building a major league roster. So far Preller has failed to do so since the winter of 2014. We’ll see what the rest of this winter brings, but to this point his offseason moves have made us a couple games better at most, and NONE of that improvement comes from acquiring Profar.
outinleftfield
The buck stops at the GM. It doesn’t matter who advises him, when he makes stupid decisions its 100% his responsibility.
tytomkiel
I hear that.
Marcus was already taken
Exactly. Glad they don’t actually work in the MLB
Deleted.User
Yeah, for $5.7m, Austin Allen and a PTBNL they could have done better than Profar.
nowheretogobutup
Time will tell, let’s give it a try and see what happens.
Deleted.User
Nope!
nowheretogobutup
Yes mr negative there are two sides to everything in life I see you like the dark side too bad
Deleted.User
You are a child.
Pads Fans
We have already seen what Profar can do. If you wanted to give it a try and see what happens then Urias would be starting at 2B in 2020. Pull your head out of Preller’s behind.
Jeff Zanghi
If Profar can rediscover some of the ability that made him a top prospect years ago this could work out for the Padres. They already have some pretty solid offense from their current core of INF – so they’ll have the ability to be somewhat patient with Profar and not rely on him to immediately produce at high level offensively. If he can even just be the .250/20HR guy he was in his final year in Oakland that wouldn’t be a bad line to pair with the offensive threats of Machado, Tatis and Hosmer in their INF. That is of course… assuming his case of the “yips” is over and he doesn’t have the disastrous year defensively that he did last year — though once he seemingly got past the “yips” portion of his season he seemed to level off enough to quell any fears that those struggles will continue into next season.
Deleted.User
And if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle.
nowheretogobutup
Wow that’s about 40 yrs old
Deleted.User
You wouldn’t know.
groundhog5150
Is this supposed to be a consolation prize for missing out on Villar?
If it is, it’s not very consoling.
nowheretogobutup
Villar goes to Miami for $10.4M as a one yr rental and the Marlins gave up one of their top pitching prospects. Does that make sense, NOT
Deleted.User
You sure you know who Miami gave up?
tytomkiel
Who was it?
Deleted.User
Easton Lucas. Here is what the MLBTR article about that trade has to say about him:
In Lucas, Baltimore brings aboard a recent 14th round pick out of Pepperdine. GM Mike Elias voiced an expectation that Lucas could someday mature into a back-end starter (via Roch Kubatko of MASN), but he was not rated among the Marlins’ top prospects. Instead, the decision to waive, and eventually trade, Villar seems motivated almost entirely by a desire to clear his projected salary off the books.
jim stem
Will either Barreto or Matteo finally get their chance? If not this year, when? Seems they have both been top prospects for five years.
themaven
Another knucklehead move by Preller,in what is becoming a rather long list of questionable moves.
How much longer til Preller is gone?I give him 2 more seasons max.
nowheretogobutup
Read the sport section he has 2020 and if he doesn’t bring this team to .500 he’s gone, gone, gone
nowheretogobutup
I’ve never heard so many negative nannies in my life. Wouldn’t all you negative nannies be surprised if the team in 2020 goes over.500 what would you then complain about, please take a pill and mellow out
Deleted.User
The way things are going the prospects are gonna have to develop fast if they want to have any hope of breaking .500 in 2020. Let alone making the playoffs.
nowheretogobutup
Thank you again mr positive, if they do will you leave this board??
Deleted.User
If they do will you turn 5?
Pads Fans
When they don’t, will you leave this board?
nowheretogobutup
Pad Fan, So let’s keep the same players without making any trades and see where we end up again, Oh in last place. You don’t know anything about baseball by your constant stupid equations that tell me nothing about your baseball knowledge. Just need to spew more negative garbage about every trade made and every player. I guess you’ve never seen a player turn his BA and OBP around in one year from the next. A new team, new coaches and new environment. can certainly make a difference. Urias is at best an ave. player why don’t you become a Brewers fan if you love the guy so much and get off this board. Your knowledge of baseball is certainly lacking when they hit .500 this year I hope your still around to eat crow.
nowheretogobutup
I can tell you IQ is certainly lacking with your really smart responses, LOL
Deleted.User
You have the IQ of a potato. But hey, “Nowhere to go but up!”
Pads Fans
What are you talking about? Did I say that Preller should not make any moves? He absolutely had to make moves, ust not any of these moves. How did these moves make the team better? THAT is what Preller needed to dowith each and every move.
Is Pomeranz and his 4.85 ERA actually better than other relievers on the market? Is he really worth a 4/34 deal with his injury history and poor performance history? Nope.
Is Profar better than Urias. Nope. He is 10X as expensive and has only 1 year of team control vs 6, but he is not better on offense of defense. And Profar regressed in 2019 in every way from 2018 and before 2018 he hit .229. What he is, is a 234/.315/.394/.709 player that can’t throw from 2B to 1B anymore. The best he has ever been in his career is league average. Think about that.
Is Davies better than Lauer? Nope. 5.122 IP/Start, 4.56 FIP, 5.7 K/9 vs 5.127 IP/Start, 4.23 FIP, 8.36 K/9 For the privilege of seeing a 88 mph throwing Davies on the mound instead of Lauer the Padres get to pay 8-10X the salary and get 4 less years of team control.
Is Grisham better than any of the other corner OF options? Nope. Other than 134 AB in AAA, he hit .231 in his minor league career and .231 in the majors.
Grisham only redeeming factor is he hits LH and he isn’t better than the LH hitting Naylor who hit .249 in his rookie campaign. He isn’t even better than Myers and you have complained non-stop about him. Grisham .231/.328/.410/.738 with 90 OPS+ vs Myers .239/.321/.418/.739 with 95 OPS+.
So please, share your blogging wisdom with us lowly ignorant peasant fans, How does any of this make the Padres better? Not maybe the leopard might change his stripes because he is wearing brown now and become a lion BS. Show us in real honest to goodness numbers, not wishes.
Pads Fans
You have not said anything other than to say well other people are negative. Literally nothing to back up the poo you are peddling.
Go look at the stats. Urias is younger, has 5 more years of team control, and was better than Profar on offense and defense. Myers is better than Grisham. Lauer is as good as Davies and has 4 years of team control to 2 for Davies. Pomeranz has been injury prone the last 2 seasons and put up a 4.85 ERA last season and Preller still went 4 years and $34 million for him to pitch out of the pen.
There has been nothing even halfway good that Preller has done this offseason.
Deleted.User
Lauer has 5 years of team control. He didn’t get 172 days in 2018. Agree 100% with the rest.
padreforlife
Lauer owned Dodgers also could see him
being good for Brewers
padreforlife
Agree except Myers isn’t better than anyone
nowheretogobutup
I guess you should read my other blogs about trades and players we need to become competitive, its easy to be mr negative on every move and trade, I guess that way you’ll always be living in the dark and if that’s what you want more power to you. It all comes down to your lack of baseball knowledge of 50 yrs.
outinleftfield
He is right. You said nothing. Go back to your blog where smart guys are not calling you out on your BS.
Pads Fans
Can you point out even one statistical positive about this trade or the last two moves Preller has made?
How exactly is the team better now than it was before the trades?
nowheretogobutup
OK whatever you say, you must be mr baseball and know it all, LOL
Pads Fans
At least I know SOMETHING about baseball. Its clear you have no idea what is going on.
padreforlife
If the team goes .500 wow. .500 is nowheresville
nowheretogobutup
Its better than last place you have to take a step forward if you want to reach the top. doesn’t take a rocket genius to figure that out, daaa
Billy Baroo
It’s not rocket surgery, it’s just basic math.
We won 70 games last year. We need to win about 90 to have an outside shot at the wild card. All the moves so far might have moved us a couple of games in the right direction. That’s assuming Grisham will hit enough (hit enough to outweigh his defense if he plays CF, hit enough period if he plays LF), and that we’ll get the 2018 Profar. Those are big assumptions. Davis and Lauer are close to a wash, and even if Pom remains a relief ace, he’s still only a reliever. We have miles to make up and Preller has so far taken either baby steps or gone sideways at best.
SDHotDawg
@nowheretogobutup …
Maybe you should just go post on the Padres Facebook with the rest of the blind faith optimists and those who seem to be content with losing, and criticism of Preller is not allowed by the ignorant pollyannas.
For your own good.
Deleted.User
There, Friarhood or Gaslampball
nowheretogobutup
I hope AJ continues to see the need for at least one if not two SP’s, via trade or FA. Also need a lead off hitter possibly an OF with good OBP and fast who can hit above .275.. Lastly dump Myers and pay 60% of his salary to any team who’ll take him. I also feel AJ may package Myers and Yates together for a SP. ( If Yates wants three years and $33M that may price him out of the picture so a trade is possible.)
SDHotDawg
Preller hasn’t “seen the need” for SPs since he’s been here.
However, I agree with most of what you said. I probably wouldn’t give up Yates. Especially not if the mandate is to win. Winning teams tend to have good closers.
VegasSDfan
That poster is Preller. The fans are outraged by these terrible moves.
JoeBrady
I don’t get it. Profar is not without talent, but his career WAR is 4.0 in 1,830 PAs. I assume Preller is counting on Profar’s prospect ranking, but that was 6-7 years ago. Some guys go crazy in their walk year, but I’m not sure he can regain that status this late.
I also wonder if Oakland might have non-tendered him, and whether he could’ve been gotten for nothing.
SDHotDawg
The ONLY thing Preller knowss is prospect rankings. He’s still shocked and dumbfounded when prospects don’t perform in the big leagues. And that says a lot about his GM skills.
Deleted.User
Some people suggest that Kinsler might be the PTBNL. That is the only way this makes sense.