11:06pm: The Angels and Indians are “currently in discussions” regarding Kluber, but the Halos are facing competition from other teams, Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register reports. As Fletcher notes, if this trade happens, Kluber will reunite with former Indians pitching coach and current Angels pitching coach Mickey Callaway.
8:05pm: The Angels lost the Gerrit Cole sweepstakes to the Yankees, but now the rotation-needy club could be zeroing in on a different high-profile starter. They’ve shown interest in Indians right-hander Corey Kluber, per reports from Joel Sherman of the New York Post and Fabian Ardaya of The Athletic. The Angels have also looked at fellow Indians righty Carlos Carrasco, according to Sherman.
The 2019 campaign was an unexpectedly rough go for both Kluber and Carrasco, who had been excellent in prior seasons. Carrasco missed a large portion of the season after a leukemia diagnosis, but he made an inspiring return as a reliever at the start of September. Meantime, Kluber sat out the final few months of the season after suffering a fractured right forearm May 1. Before that, the two-time Cy Young winner limped to an uncharacteristically bloated 5.80 ERA over seven starts and 35 2/3 innings.
Although last season was a struggle for Kluber and Carrasco, their track records suggest they could make for appealing targets for teams that don’t reel in any top free-agent starters. However, it’s not clear whether the Indians – longtime playoff contenders – are willing to part with either hurler. If they’re looking to shave salary and pivot toward a rebuild, though, dealing either could make sense. The 33-year-old Kluber could be a stopgap for an acquiring club, as he has just one more guaranteed season on his contract. He’ll earn $17.5MM in 2020, after which his employer will have to decide on an $18MM club option or a $1MM buyout for ’21. Carrasco, 32, is due $37.5MM through 2022, including a $3MM buyout for ’23.
Whether it’s Kluber, Carrasco or another starter(s), it does seem the Angels will have to make at least one more addition to their staff to join the just-acquired Dylan Bundy, Shohei Ohtani, Andrew Heaney and Griffin Canning. That should hold true even if the Angels manage to pick up a big hitter like Anthony Rendon or Josh Donaldson, the two best position players left on the board and a pair of players who have drawn their interest.
How would they even begin to build a package for these dudes? Beside Adell who’s obviously untouchable.
Obviously they are hitting them up went there value is at its lowest. Marsh is a top 100 prospect and has as high a ceiling as adell, he just wont have anywhere to play
A third party would probably have to be included..
Jordyn Adams is a great prospect just starting his career.
Rendon creates surplus in the infield. Fletcher, Rengifo, La Stella at the MLB level. Plenty of outfielders in the minors other than Adell. Jahmai Jones fresh off a great AFL showing.
We have no pitching, but there’s enough position player talent to get this done.
Yeah I posed this question before the Rendon signing. Now it makes a little more sense.
Jamai Jones has played a grand total of 11 games in the outfield in the last two seasons. He seems to really enjoy the AFL. His .237 .315 .338 .653 line in two seasons of AA on the other hand….Adell is one of the top prospects in baseball, and certainly the best in the organization. He doesn’t become expendable because he could be replaced by an older AA 2B who is so far very bad at hitting.
1+1 of a mid 30s starter coming off two injuries and I guy who is VERY lovable but has serious injury problems is not nearly as valuable as one might think.
Id venture to bet Marsh, Soriano and a lottery ticket get Kluber.
When the first starter is returning from a non-chronic injury, previous to which he was one of the best pitchers in baseball (2 CY Youngs, finishing in the top 3 twice, and top 10 once), and his salary is less than a qualifying offer, and the other is a feel-good bounce back candidate whose 3 remaining years would cost the halos a smidge less than Rendon’s yearly salary…I don’t know seems pretty valuable.
Kluber. That would be Cool.
I don’t see the Indians dealing either of them until the deadline. This is gonna go just like it did with Bauer last yr where they took stock of the situation and then came back to a trade at the deadline.
I agree. Cleveland keeps both until the deadline.
Who would potentially be going back to CLE for either of these guys? Tribe is gonna want at least one player who is major league ready, and I can’t imagine who that would be.
Agreed, that’s why they may need to look to Boston for help in the form of David Price or Nathan Eovaldi. There were be no need to give up top prospects for either of these pitchers and Boston will most likely offer to pay down some of their salaries as well. I believe Price has 3/96 and Eovaldi has 2/34 remaining on their contracts. With the Sox paying down some salary, Price is not a bad consolation prize here and unlike Mad Bum, he wouldn’t cost you a high draft pick and $500K of international draft money to sign him.
Why would the Angels bail out two contracts that have seen most of the value exracted. No thanks.
Carrasco won’t be traded. He signed a team friendly extension because he loves Cleveland, and came back from cancer this past year. He’s the true heart and soul on the Indians, and they won’t trade him.
Not an Indians fan, but I hope they don’t for all the reasons you mentioned.
Agreed, he’s not going anywhere.
They’d trade him for the right deal. They have enough pitching without him.
No they wouldn’t, he’s one of the few people that it’s beyond a baseball deal. He’s not going anywhere guarantee you.
Everyone has a price. Just ask the Million Dollar Man
Cookie’s contract is way too affordable by Tribe standards to trade him.
Kluber’s is not, but he’s probably not going anywhere, at least not Anaheim. I can’t see that they have anything to trade for him.
I can see the Indians trading Kluber for 3 reasons…….
1. There is a chronic shortage of even decent pitchers in MLB today.
2. The Indians have 5 starters not including Kluber and Carrasco; with Allen and Moss probably being called up to the bullpen during 2020, but both will be given some starts as well. The Indians already had decent results re-working them in the minors after they got them for Bauer at the deadline. One or both could easily fill the #4 or #5 starter role by the end of 2020 if need be.
3. The cost savings are desirable, but not necessary. While $18m is a large salary for the Indians, it’s hardly that for a TOR pitcher in 2020 (heavens, Wheeler is getting 25% more then that….Wheeler!). For years Kluber was one of the top half-dozen or so pitchers in the AL. While he’s fallen back some, he’s hardly a #3-5. Put him in the NL without the DH, and he can easily be one of the top dozen pitchers in that league.
The Indians are now very good about evaluating young players they can develop that are being used ineffectively by their teams. They got back a haul for Bauer with 1-1/2 years left on his contract when he wasn’t having the best season in 2019. No reason they can’t do the same with Kluber.
How about the rumors of Lindor for Lux/May. It’s very intriguing
Dodgers as 3 Team and Red Sox as 4th Team with Bradley Jr. going to Indians and Price to Dodgers.
Why would the Indians want one year of a high priced Bradley Jr. when they do not need a center fielder.
Lux/May would need to be sweetened up to acquire Lindor. But it’s definitely a good start.
It may be cheap but it also may be a junk contract if he can’t regain the strength he needs to pitch at a high level. Any team expecting production from him is taking a gamble.
Really? A picture coming off an injury to his arm would be a gamble? Which is exactly why he’s going nowhere near the off-season, you buy low and sell high. Dumping him with a hit in value due to that gamble is not worth it at this point.
*eye roll* The Angels can’t negotiate. They’ll limp into 2020 with yet, Another mediocre team
The Angels are desperate for pitching. Joe Maddon’s sales pitch scared Gerrit all the way onto the other coast.
Yeah I’m sure the reason was Joe and not 324 million
You’re right, he had 324 million reasons to go to the East coast. Angels always undervalue pitching. The Angels were the 3rd highest bidder for Cole’s services, so nothing to do with Maddon. $36 million for a guy that starts 30 times a year for 9 years seems risky. I actually don’t blame the Angels for bowing out on this one.
Kluber seems like a big risk just to pay $18MM let alone trade actual players/prospects for him. I don’t see how a team could do it before the trade deadline, after they get to see him pitch for 3-4 months.
He had a broken arm, not Tommy John surgery
I don’t see the Angels having anything that the Indians need to pull this off. They are looking for major league ready talent, not prospects…and that is using that word loosely with the Angels farm system.
Carrasco is signed through 2023 at an affordable rate. He’s going nowhere.
Kluber’s deal is a steal next year if he returns to anywhere near form. And his 2021 club option would be a steal if he’s even 75% of Cy Young Kluber.
It just doesn’t seem like the Angels have much to offer. The Indians would be looking for someone that can help immediately at 2B or 3B and likely a low level prospect. Angels aren’t much of a match for that.
They could give them Rengifo for their infielder, and maybe a AA pitching guy. They might have to consider trading Adell if they want to compete within 2 years or as much as people will think I’m dumb ask Teout if he wants to be moved. Say hey we tried to get some guys for you and failed you Mike. You deserve better.
HalofaninHtown – Stop already with the trade Trout nonsense. He chose to spend his career with the Angels with a full no trade clause. And it has been clearly stated that Adell is going nowhere. No one who makes this suggestion has ever been able to explain how the Angels become a better team by trading away the best player in the history of the game and the number 5 prospect in all of baseball who will be called up early in 2020. Do you want to give it a try?
I totally get what you’re saying. My thought is he wanted to be an Angel his whole career and have a shot at the post season which the past couple years he realistically has had no chance of getting too. I felt he asked before signing that deal what the plans were for being competitive and really they havent done any move that had much chance of working. The off season last year that was wasted money, no one thought any of those were good choices with Harvey, Cahill, allen or lucroy. I’m just saying if they are not going to be able to compete then give the best player the option and be real and say look we tried a, b,c etc and failed. We are 2 to 3 years away from maybe even a wild card. You deserve better and we respect that. Sure plenty of people will hate this.
I understand the logic of offering him a pathway to a team that might have a better chance for his benefit. But that depends on your perspective. I believe the Angels have the foundation to compete in 2020. Losing out on Cole/Strasburg/Wheeler was not in the plan for winning now. They need to add starters to compete. They are trying to ink Rendon tonight which adds another twist to the line up. So, I believe Trout is right where he needs to be to win. He must agree because he has a full no trade clause. Pitching will be the key because our offense and defensive are top notch. What we have right now for a rotation won’t get it done no matter how good the offense is so we will see what plan D is to add starters. Sounds like we are looking to trade for some combination of Kluber/Carrasco/Price.
I like reading well thought out posts. Keep it up. Let’s hope the team gets a couple Christmas gifts
How about Kluber to the Reds for India and Mahle?
India is not mlb ready.
Maybe Aquino “The Punisher” would be the MLB ready player needed to headline a deal. He doesn’t have a huge sample size but he did have incredible MLB success at a position of need for the Indians
Fletcher or Regnifo have both shown they are ready for the MLB. Rumor was Cle was interested in Regnifo last year. Angels could also include Canning, Suarez, Sandoval, Any one of the 3 broke into the bigs last season and could use a little more seasoning or jump into the back end of the rotation. And lastly they could add an OF prospect like Adams (I think marsh is going to go in another trade). Two MLB ready players and a prospect. Fletcher can play all around the diamond, Regnifo 2b./ss. Thoughts?
No arms on FA market worth the money they’ll get IMHO. Angels will have to overpay for a FA and trade for pitching. Get a catcher as well. Hello 4th place!
Angels need to do something if they want to win. They need to sign/acquire two of these four pitchers – Kluber, Bumgarner, Ryu, Keuchel. They also need to tackle their 3b hole.
They need Ryu, Keuchel and either Rendon or Donaldson.
Would rather keep Fletcher/Thaiss at 3B than overpay for Donaldson
Isn’t Fletcher the 2b?
they play him at short and 3b as well.
They should trade for David Price and sign one of those pitchers.
I’d almost take a chance on price if you could get the Red Sox to take Upton. Straight swap or make the Red Sox give up one of their prospects ranked around 20 to 25.
What are the Angels doing? Missed on Stras & Cole, ok fine, no problem, go get a Kuechel, Ryu, Madbum or maybe trade for Matthew Boyd. Instead they are pie in the sky dreaming of the Indians trading another starter? Wake up, look how long it took them to trade Bauer, and he was a headcase.
The Angels should have signed, Kuechel, Madbum & Donaldson TODAY. They have plenty of money & if they missed out on Cole no biggie, just go spread it around.
Or Keuchel, Ryu and Donaldson. Less money and MadBum doesn’t do so well outside Oracle Park.
OK that’s fine. I don’t like Ryu’s injury history but no biggie They have $$$ and one of Simmons, Pujols & Upton coming off the books each of the next 3 years. They pulled a slick move to get rid of Cozart and clear money, but it cost them their first rounder. Fair enough, but what are they doing with the saved $$$.
***Newsflash to Billy Eppler***
Dylan Bundy is not the answer!
Kluber for Adell and Thaiss. Everyone walks away happy…………..maybe.
Adell would work, but Thaiss won’t, because the FO just said they want Ramirez to remain at 3B.
Thais is a first base/DH guy. He only just started playing third because Cozart was out all year, then Fletcher moved to second when la Stella went down
Tribe’s already set at both those, too.
Do you have a 2B to offer?
No that won’t happen. That would be an over pay by the Angels.
Says a homer Angel’s fan. If anything it’s an underpay. Watch what another team is willing to give for Kluber. You’re team’s system simply doesn’t have the talent.
Troll or just not Knowledgeable
Troll post.. No way that trade happens.. Angels wouldn’t overpay like that
Lol!!!!!! For a one year rental? Put down the bong bro
lol. Such homers.
Ya”l gonna get fletcher, soriano and a flier prospect.
The Angels would NEVER trade Adell for Kluber.
I would *expect* Eppler to check in on these guys. This should surprise nobody.
How about Kluber and Rendon and a catcher
Kluber needs to be a Brave
Why, because you’re a Braves fan?
Braves and Indians match up well. Good prospect depth and players in positions that both teams have an interest in..
Would rather see the Tribe deal with the Braves than Angels. Atlanta actually has desirable prospects. Angels have only Adell.
They need at least one high end starter Ryu would be my choice then an innings eater Ivan Nova comes to mind. 3rd base Donaldson or Frazier would be an upgrade.
Ryu would get lit up in the AL
I bet Will Wilson and some cash would get a deal done…
Nope, SF would need to add more to that.
Kluber for Fletcher and a mid tier prospect?
Thoughts?
Yeah I have a thought, and that is you must be outside of your mind if you think you’re getting Kluber for garbage. Yes, that offer is garbage. Adell and Thaiss is on the low end to be honest and they can probably get a better return from a team that actually has some decent talent that they are able to deal.
Adell for a 33 year old Kluber? You’re insane dude.
Multiple CY winner for an overhyped prospect? You’re the one that’s insane. I’ll gladly keep Corey and watch him turn in another fantastic year while you finish towards the bottom of your division.
Overhyped for hitting 300 in aa at 20? You are beyond delusional and need to stop huffing paint man. Lol
If you think that’s worth more than Kluber, then yes, he’s overhyped. Again, if you think you’re getting Kluber for your garbage IF’ers and prospects other than Adell then you’re the one huffing paint man. LOL!
I never mentioned any infielders, that was the other guys. But a package with Marsh or Adams, Suarez, and one of those infielders makes things interesting
overhyped prospect? So you are saying all prospects are overhyped?
Kluber is risky at the moment. Check back in July.
Throwing money at players guarantees NOTHING!! They just need HEALTHY pitchers, a strong bullpen, and a consistent offense. Houston didn’t win it all with Cole and the Yankees didn’t lose because of pitching. We just need a healthy staff.
But they should go pay MadBum….. The young pitchers need someone to look up to.
MadBum probably wants to stay in the NL where he can hit. He makes sense on the Phillies, Reds or Brewers, if not the Dodgers or Braves or back to SF.
I don’t see the Angels being able to come up with a package to entice the Indians to trade Kluber to them. There are other teams who would be interested in Kluber with better assets to offer.
Agents arent gonna just sign with the first offer, even if angels thru out a good deal you still shop around. Signing players to ridiculous deals aint the answer. Signing cole to 9 years at that rate for a guy less than a year and half ago who looked done ill pass. He went to a cheating franchise and rebuilt his stock is it sustainable probably not. Especially in a launching pad like new york dont see this aging well, if im the angels i dont make same mistake
Bunch of clueless armchair gms chiming in like they know how to operate a team lol…
Pot meet kettle.
Even as an Indians fan, I don’t see any scenario where the Indians can even come close to getting Adell. Kluber is still a very good pitcher (a few bad starts is a minuscule sample size), but his trade value has absolutely gone down since last winter.
If I’m the Indians, I try to get David Fletcher back for Kluber. If the Angels get Rendon, they’d be set with La Stella at second as well and Fletcher could theoretically be expendable (plus the Indians very clearly need a second or third baseman, so it works perfectly).
If the Angels say no to that, then there doesn’t really look like a match to be made unless the Indians really like Brandon Marsh and/or the Angels add a few other guys to an offer.
I think the likelihood of fletcher getting delt is slim to none. My best guess is marsh and some form of current major league pitching (heaney) or youth (sandoval, Suarez) possibly la stella or brian Goodwin being on the table. Sure its a small sample size for kluber but he is also 34 soon to be 35. Also dont see Carrasco being moved, too cheap of a contract and his value is at its lowest right now.
If the Angels end up getting Rendon, I think getting Fletcher is possible. If they somehow don’t get Rendon, Fletcher definitely won’t get moved. It probably depends on that.
I do still think Kluber has plenty in the tank, but I agree his value definitely isn’t the same. Marsh would be a solid start, but they’d need more too. La Stella could be another piece and I’m a fan of Sandoval, so either of them could be an option. I doubt they’d trade Heaney though, especially given how often they seem to need extra starters (although I guess you could say that about Sandoval too). Goodwin is a serviceable option, but I wouldn’t want him being one of the big parts of an offer.
As I wrote above……
Look what the Indians got for 1-1/2 year of Bauer in 2019 when it was obvious as the year progressed that he was getting worse.
I do believe Kluber will be moved for the reason above. By it may well be an in-season trade.
@michael chaney i agree with you but i think fletcher is too valuable and can play second with ease. I would think marsh, la stella, sandoval/suarez/heaney could get it done. Indians have a way of turning mediocre pitchers into studs (biber, Clevinger) Marsh is close to major and gives them a 5 tool stud they havent had since sizemore, and sandoval or suarez or heaney (more proven) are young and moldable for cleveland to add to their great young staff. Still cant believe they gave up clevinger for pestano.
I’ve seen Marsh play. He’s not as good as people make him out to be.
His stats paint a different picture and he is arguably better than anything indians currently have.
One thing all of you die hard Indian fans forget – Mickey Callaway is the Angels’ pitching coach now. You might remember him as Kluber’s pitching coach in Cleveland when he had his best years. A reunion might work well for the Angels.
BINGO!
Probably the reason the Angles are looking at those 2 pitchers.
I’d like Kluber. Adell wouldn’t even be entertained by the Angels. It’s a buy low deal for a soon to be rebuilding Indian club. They’re possibly dealing Lindor, maybe Carrasco. Writing’s on the wall in Cleveland with Twins and White Sox improvements.
GTFOH to the fans saying the Angels have nothing to offer. Haha. Clueless. Read up before you post.
Facts.
1. The Indians won’t be rebuilding for at least 2 years when Lindor leaves (if they trade him before then, they’ll get MLB ready pieces).
2. They will not deal Carrasco at all. Like, at all. Not only did they just extend him at a good price for several more years, but they stuck by him through everything this year and they wouldn’t move him so soon after it.
3. Truth be told, the Angels really don’t have much to offer (Adell isn’t going anywhere). Fletcher makes sense, but after that you’re looking at Brandon Marsh and a lot of guys that are either too far away or are just too risky overall. They have a lot of athletes in their system (Jahmai Jones, for instance) but a lot of them haven’t turned their tools into production yet. A team wouldn’t take them back as the focal point of a trade until they’re more developed.
The Angels have absolutely nothing to offer to the Indians other than Adell. I’ve “read up” plenty and have looked through your terrible system. It’s ranked in the bottom 5 consistently. You’re also completely wrong in your suggestion that the Indians are nearing a rebuild. Nothing could be further from the truth. If they trade either Lindor and/or Kluber, it will be for ready, young, controllable players that can contribute now. As far as the light hitting Fletcher goes, any of Chang, Arroyo, or Freeman would likely be better options. Good Lord! Dude hit all of 8 HR in almost 600 AB. I bet you would like to trade him for Kluber! Good luck with that.
@Cdav45 there farm is ranked 15th lol are you huffing glue?
Boom! Nice correction @ imindless brotha!!
Like I said, clueless fans. Angels know what they have.
The ones huffing are the ones ranking them that high.
Soon to be rebuilding? Uh, no. The Indians actually know how to draft and develop players, and that in turn helps to keep them competitive every year. That’s something the Angles have problems with. Luckily they have Moreno’s cash to buy players, but even that only gets them early tickets to the off-season.
Cleveland is not soon to be rebuilding. Halofanatic, perhaps you should practice what you preach and read up on the Indians before you post.
They have nice young pitching but if the rumors are true about moving Lindor, they lack significant offense and they’re not the kind of club that can maintain buying talent. They need youth to develop and not all will hit. So yes, they’ll trade vets and essentially rebuild.
Yet somehow they won 21 more games than the Angels last season. Scored the same amount of runs, too.
This goes to show that offense isn’t the only part of the game that wins games.
Ugh.. you’re right, fans are so stupid. People don’t realize that the Angels run a top-notch baseball operation.
They were smart enough to pay Pujols $340 million for his production in St Louis.
The Angels had an all-star this year who wasn’t named Mike Trout! That’s a dramatic improvement over the last several years.
They kinda came close to .500 a few times in the last few years. Not bad…
I mean, just look at that Justin Upton deal. Lookin’ good!
They got the best player in baseball some playoff ABs.. once.. 5 years ago… And they were swept.
Some pretty savvy moves last year by filling glaring holes in the rotation with Harvey and Cahill.
The Angels know how to run a ball club and they are a talent factory. You don’t win 75+ games sometimes with a huge payroll unless you know what you’re doing.
Hehehehe…..my final laugh of the day. Thank you.
Naw, you are confusing cause and effect. The angels were historically good until two things happened. The Pujols/Hamilton deals and JeDi trading away all of the Angels farm capital until it was called “the worst farm of all time.” This 4-5 year spell has been strictly about that.
Eppler has done nothing short of magic building the farm, grabbing ohtani, extending trout, steal 7 WAR a year Simmonds from ATL in his prime and now grabbing Rendon.
Dont sleep on the Angels because the previous reigme salted the earth. As of today we are about a 90 win team. If we can add Ryu and get Kluber for a pick 3 of Marsh, Jones, Soriano La Stella and Fletcher we will be a 96-97 win team and playoff bound.
Double time if Manfred hammerdances the Astros for cheating.
I’m not knocking the Rendon deal.. but, let’s face it, it only makes their offense a little more ‘ok’. As it stands now, this is not an elite offense. Terrible pitching and a shallow lineup doesn’t usually lead to a 90 win season. I’m not sure how you think this improves the team by 18 wins over last year.
Kluber would be a great addition though. He has a tremendous, contagious work ethic. If he is healthy, he can shoulder a big workload that takes the burden off others. He makes the entire staff better.. Not to mention that he has Cy Young stuff. The Indians know what they have and he won’t come cheap. They would want something similar to the return for Bauer. If not, they’ll just hang onto him.
Indians will not sell low on Kluber.
If a team will meet their evaluation of Kluber’s worth then a deal might happen,but there is no compelling financial need to deal him and he’s a pretty good bet to bounce back and, at the very least ,be an above average major league starter,
He finished third in the 2018 Cy Young award balloting and taking a year off for a fractured arm may actually benefit him.
The Indians will not be rebuilding anytime soon.They have enviable pitching depth right now and going forward.
Their farm system is loaded in the lower minors and they have some decent prospects at AAA that are near major league ready.
The division will certainly be more competitive but the Indians have what every team is paying dearly for in free agency right now…………starting pitching, and the ability to develop it.
Sure losing Lindor will hurt, but it doesn’t signal the close of their competitive window whatsoever.
Sign em all, Arte. It’s only money!
rendon baby
So the Astros cheated hu? Where’s that story at?
If the Angels want to deal Adell, they could get Kluber. I’m guessing they aren’t up for that. They don’t have the goods for a Cookie trade.
dream on, fake indian!
2 years of team control for a 2x CYA winner/workhorse, at a reasonable price.. you think the Indians ship him off for something other than a controllable, MLB-ready talent with star potential?
Oooook.
It’s for one year of Kluber and $17 mil of the books! You really think the Indians are gonna ask for the Angels number one prospect lol c’mon man
Two years of Kluber, he has another option after this year. The guy is a workhorse. Between 2014 – 2018 he won two Cy Young’s and finished third twice. No doubt that last year has hurt his value but the Indians aren’t going to give him away.
Look at what the Indians got for 1.5 years of Bauer. Bauer is younger and a little cheaper but his success has been nowhere near Kluber’s.
The Indians would need a package headlined by one MLB-ready prospect with star potential. Who else do the Angels have that fit that description?
I’m not saying anyone will/should pay that price but that is what the Indians will want. They don’t really have a big need to move him, why would they sell low?
Why?
Adell or GTFOH
No, they’re going to get David Price
This makes the most sense. They don’t have to trade any prospects and they get another bad contract. Seems like a good Angels move.
Rangers should trade Josh Jung Kolby Allard LeClerc Odor DeShields and Heineman to Colorado for Blackmon and Arenado. they save a ton of money and get some good tale t in return
No way Colorado even considers that package. Odor & Deshields are throw aways with little to no value. Kolby Allard is unproven but had a ceiling of a #2 starter, but probably more like a 3 or 4. LeClerc throws gas, but he had a down year. I’m not familiar with Josh Jung, so unless he is the next Barry Honds, there is zero chance Colorado makes this deal, even with them trying to shed payroll. Arenado is a Top 5 player in MLB and would require a heck of a lot more than what you propose here.
the key point is Arenado is being paid like a top player in the league… so in the end his value in the trade market shouldnt be as high as many of you guys seem to think.
The Angels or an NL team are probably the best landing spots for Kluber. In LAA he would reunite with Mickey Callaway and he would obviously face the pitchers in NL lineups if he was in the NL.
The Angels aren’t messin around, love it! Trade for Kluber, sign Ryu or MadBum and it gets really interesting in the OC.
If the Indians Insist on Adell, the Angels should ask for Hand, Kluber and Hand for Adell, Jahmai Jones, Kyren Paris
For God’s sake, Jones and Paris would be lucky to make our top 30 prospects. The Indians have at least 7 MIF prospects better than either of them. You got the wrong system to attempt to pawn your IF garbage off on. The Indians are one of the richest systems when it comes to MIF. Then you want Hand along with Kluber? You couldn’t get either alone for that package. I know you think I’m full of BS, but watch and see what happens. I’m not saying the Angels will deal Adell either, but if they won’t then there will not be a deal for Kluber. It’s really that simple.
I’ve seen Jahmai Jones play. Besides his first half a season at High-A, he’s pretty much stunk. If he’s one of their highest rated prospects, then they’re in deep doodoo.
They are in deep doodoo. Their farm system is one of the worst in baseball, but hey, you should feel fortunate to get him in a package for Kluber and Hand. You can’t make this stuff up! LOL
You realise Adell is the main get here? Angels have a much improved system, Jones is their 4th rated prospect on MLB.com and Adell is the 5th overall negotiate and counter, something you can’t seem to comprehend
I comprehend it perfectly. What you seem to not understand is that the Angels have little leverage here other than Adell. A very good prospect with no major league experience. It’s far from a given that he could even help the Indians in 2020. This is where the Angels stand in a “negotiate and counter” scenario with the Indians. You don’t have a SP as good as Kluber and your farm system is severely lacking when compared to Cleveland’s. Adell is a highly rated prospect due to his age and performance, and rightfully so. However, I’m not sure I’d prefer him over Johnson at this point. If Johnson’s splits even out then he’s every bit the prospect that Adell is and he’s ready now. If he continues to struggle against LHP, we happen to have Luplow who absolutely crushes LHP. So you see, the Angels need a SP far worse than the Indians need Adell. Feel free to check the stats if you doubt what I have said.
Just because Jones is their 4th rated prospect doesn’t mean that he’s any good. It’s just proof of how pitiful their farm system is.
For a quick example, their High-A in San Bernardino was the worst team by far in the Cal League…..for 2 years running now. The only decent guys they’ve had in that time (Canning, Rengifo, Walsh) are already in the bigs, meaning they flew through the rest of their pitiful system.
I excluded Adell, because of his injuries, of he would be in Anaheim, too.
Hey AA where you at?? Kluber is the guy you need to get. Been saying that for a whole year now. Please make that trade and design Donaldson. Then we’re set. Wishful thinking I know, but this scenario would be so much more beneficial to us than trading for a bat or really any other rumor I’ve heard
Carraco, Kluber, Ramirez, Lindor, and Hand should all be dealt. That’s 7-10 top 100’s and several MLB players. Indians plug all their holes while bringing in more top talent than anyone else has. S.D, LAA, StL, Tb, and Boston. All have pieces they can move to help now and in the future. Edman, Martinez dh, and Reyes beats most any other deal for Lindor. Ramirez to Tb, with pieces going to LAA for Adel, carraco/Kluber to LAA. S.D. picks up the other pitcher, mainly for pitching prospects. Boston sends Chavis/Devers for Hand plus.
Really? Deal your 5 best players to “plug holes”? Which the current holes are minimal but once you blow it all up you have a ton and have to hope you win every deal to make the team right.
No way! I’m fine trading Kluber if it brings back a good return and they reinvest the money saved. And I’d consider trading Lindor if it brought back a huge package such as Lux from the Dodgers. But to trade any decent player from the team would be catastrophic.
@bjupton100
Dude, this has to be up there with the dumbest comments ever.
Simmons, Marsh, LaStella and a Jose Soriano to Cleveland for Kluber and Lindor.
But Wouldn’t that leave the angels without a shortstop? oh wait…,never mind…you said lindor
That’s painfully light. If the Indians were to hypothetically trade Lindor to the Angels, they wouldn’t do it without getting Adell.
You get a shortstop in Andrelton Simmons, an outfield prospect who rates just below Adell, a 2nd baseman and a pitching prospect. Lindor and Kluber are both walking when they are eligible. Kluber has a down year and no guarantee he bounces back.
And Simmons has only one year of control so how does that help the Indians? Answer, it doesn’t.
I am all for Corey Kluber getting moved out of the AL central…..the Royals might have a chance to win 5 games in 2020 against the Indians if that happens (5 out of 19).
how? they have one top 100 guy not sure that’s enough Capital to get the deal done
The Angels are not going to get Kluber. But Brandon Marsh is a top 100 prospect. IMO, the Angels were fools for trading Will Wilson.
Really feel like they’ll regret not holding onto “…a relatively projectionless, medium-framed infielder without a clear plus tool, and he lacked the strikeout-to-walk ratios first round collegiate players usually exhibit…There is very likely limited ceiling here, probably something close to an average regular”?
Are you kidding? I just pulled up his card Raw power 50 out of 50. Speed. 50 out of 50. Throws 50 out of 50.
Why the heck do you draft him at 15 just six months ago if he doesn’t have tools? The obvious answer is you don’t.
Oh you are talking about Brandon Marsh. Look at Fangraphs roster resource. Pull up his card.
And I misread the numbers. Marsh scores higher than 50. I believe the top is 80.
“Then why the heck to you draft him at 15 just six months ago?”
Beats me.
“So are you saying the Angels screwed up the draft?”
Nope. Kiley McDaniel of FanGraphs is implying that they made a mistake with their first round pick.
“It’s possible, but it’s hard to believe the scouting report of the 15th pick changes so quickly.”
College and the minors are different.
“How do you go from the 15th pick to a nobody so quickly? The obvious answer is you don’t.”
He didn’t. As a guy with 40 games of rookie ball under his belt, he’s more valuable to a team like the rebuilding Giants than the Angels who’re aiming to compete ASAP.
Nope, II’m talking about Wilson.
Those scouting grades range from 20-80 with 50 being average. The format of those ratings are current grade/future projected grade. So a 50/50 grade would mean currently average/projected to be average.
So this is about Wilson?. You don’t give up the 15th pick in the draft for salary relief. The pick is worth more than 12 million dollars. The Angels system is average, but he’s still the 4th best prospect in the system.
Every team needs young players to supplement their roster.
All it means is 14 teams didn’t think he was worth their first round pick and then the 15th team did. That doesn’t make him the 15th Best Player Drafted or give him some intrinsic agreed upon value (which you’ve decided is north of $12 million apparently).
Optimists think he could develop into a not bad middle infielder in 3-4 years.
With the number of moves the Angels likely need to make this offseason to be competitive in Mike Trout’s prime, you’ll never convince me that turning a player with Wilson’s projections and 40 games at Orem under his belt into 12.5 million useable 2019 off-season dollars is a foolish move.
“Every team needs young players to supplement their roster.”
Thank God Wilson wasn’t the last one.
Guys, Adell will not be included in a Cleveland deal. Remember such a deal would be for 2 years of Kluber coming off a down first half and then a broken forearm. It’s still Corey Kluber, but the Halos should not be giving up the farm.
I don’t see a good trade between the two teams. Kluber won’t get Adell, but they do not have enough left that would help the Indians enough for them to trade Kluber.
well apparently the Indians beat writer put out the names Sandoval, Deveux (spell check) and Rengifo. If that were true, Angels should do that in a heart beat
Hoynes? Nobody pays attention to Hoynes.
LAA should eliminate the competition and just tell CLE to give them both Kluber and Carrasco. If LAA was willing to sign Cole, then the formers salaries would be nothing and might not have to give up much since they would take on both salaries. LAA needs the pitching depth anyways.
Cleveland is not looking for salary relief so you can stop that nonsense. If Kluber’s contract concerned the Indians, they could have declined his option. . Carrasco is on a team friendly deal and is the heart of their locker room. Carrasco will retire as an Indian. The Indians will also not sell low on Kluber. Cleveland’s front office sets their price and does not vary from it. If their price is not met, they would be glad to have Kluber pitch for the Indians in 2020 to reestablish his value.
Contratulations angt222! You win the dumbest f’n post in the history of MLBtrade rumors’ history. I think we should just throw Lindor in with Kluber and Carrasco. Imagine the money saved by the Indians who aren’t in a financial pinch at the moment. Is there another need that we can fill for nothing?
Yep, that one far far far surpasses the comment made by Bjupto100 above in this thread.