Some items from the Bronx…
- The Yankees “tried hard” to land Orioles reliever Mychal Givens at the trade deadline, the New York Post’s Joel Sherman reports. The right-hander was a popular figure on the rumor mill last July, with such clubs as the Indians, Dodgers, Braves, Phillies, and Nationals all reportedly showing interest in acquiring his services. It isn’t any surprise that the Yankees were also involved given how New York is constantly looking to reinforce its already strong bullpen, and it isn’t out of the question that the Yankees could ask about Givens again this winter. The 29-year-old is under team control for two more seasons (and projected to make $3.2MM in arbitration this winter), though Givens is coming off the worst of his five big league seasons. Givens posted a 12.3 K/9 and 3.31 K/BB rate over 63 innings but his ERA ballooned to 4.57, due in large part to a lot of problems keeping the ball in the park (1.9 HR/9).
- Sticking with Sherman’s piece, he wonders if the Yankees could perhaps try to land both Givens and Jonathan Villar from the Orioles in a package deal that would also address another team need — a lack of left-handed hitting. Interestingly, Sherman writes that there is some strategy behind this lineup imbalance, as the Yankees have preferred to deploy right-handed bats with opposite-field power rather than actual left-handed hitters, as lefty bats can be more easily hampered by defensive shifts. If the Bronx Bombers did decide to add more pop from the left side, however, Sherman feels the best possible solution would be switch-hitting superstar Francisco Lindor, if the Indians made him available in a trade. Beyond Villar, Sherman lists a few other players (old friend Didi Gregorius, Freddy Galvis, Tucker Barnhart, Jason Castro) who could be signed or acquired in trades to add left-handed balance to either the lineup or bench. In Galvis’ case, Sherman reports that he was the Yankees’ second choice as shortstop depth last offseason before they landed Troy Tulowitzki.
- The Yankees’ decision to exercise some financial restraint has drawn criticism from some fans and pundits, particularly since the club has now gone 10 full seasons without a World Series title. As Fangraphs’ Craig Edwards observes in a look at the last 20 years of Yankees spending, the franchise made a gigantic payroll spike in 2003-2004 (up into the $200MM-$240MM range, around three times as much as the average payroll) that possibly “outstripped what might have been reasonable compared to their revenues and financial status, and that staying at around $240 million reflected a necessary correction.” The Yankees’ average payroll increase hasn’t matched the rest of the league’s overall increase over the last decade, however, even while the Yankees franchise has increased its revenues.
Bocephus
The Yankees financial belt tightening will result in no playoffs in 2020.
mlarr64
One can only hope. They are already over the luxury tax threshold. They have tons of talent on that club . If they can’t make the playoffs then it’s not a payroll issue..
Bocephus
So many of those players way outperformed their norms, and they’ll come down to earth.
deweybelongsinthehall
Like in 18 for Boston. When a group of players over perform together, the team better win like the Red Sox did in both 13 and 18.
Oxford Karma
Yes and no. Stanton played a handful of games. Andujar too. Their ace picked up 1 win. The whole team missed time. The backups absolutely overperformed, but did they put up better numbers than the starters they replaced? No
Melchez
Urshela did better than andujar. DJ did better than Didi. Tauchman/ maybin outperformed hicks. German outperformed severino.
Torrez out performed tulo. LOL, remember yankee fans getting excited about Tulo? That was funny.
MoRivera 1999
@Bocephus
Um, the ones who outperformed “their norms” were scrubs called up to replace the 30 different stars who were injured. And the scrubs won. Next year, for the most part, the stars will be playing.
toomuchpie
Who was the one fan excited about Tulo?
Mrivers
Brian Cashman, lol.
toomuchpie
touché
ColossusOfClout
A team has won 100 games the last two seasons and has pretty much everyone returning won’t make the playoffs? Put your money where your mouth is, idiot.
WhereIs28
I dont know of any fan exited about tulo not one. To me this off-season starts and ends with Cole if we get him its what the Yankees are supposed to do if we dont its a total failure and we might have to wait tell the cheap boss dies to get back to what the real boss spoiled us to. Their is not one reason that with all the money we put in the ownership bank account that we can’t afford his contract with the money from the yes network alone the team can afford him and Strasbourg do the math its that easy.
emt126
The same fan that did not want to trade Sanchez for Realmuto.
Melchez
Oh man… the Yankee fans were all excited about Tulo. They said he was going to have a resurgence and become a Hall of Famer. The Yankee fans were going nuts about Tulo.
mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/yankees-troy-tulowitzki…
fits65
That’s what Mrs. Melch says about you mr Yankee hater
Melchez
fist69, your mom wears Red Sox undies.
MurderersRow27
@mlarr64
As it stands right now, they aren’t over the luxury tax… yet. However, they’ll definitely/obviously be passing the $208mil 1st level threshold if/when they resign Gardner. At this point, Bird might even be a non-tender candidate (and Voit and Andujar combined will probably make about what Bird is projected to make, making those salaries a wash). They have considerable payroll coming off the books after this season; as it stands right now Ellsbury, Tanaka, Paxton, Happ and LeMahieu will be free agents after this coming season (and Stanton and Britton both have opt outs after this season, although I’d put about a .00000001% chance that Stanton exercises his haha). Granted, the Yankees might resign or extend a few of those guys (Tanaka and/or Paxton, LeMahieu), but it has to be a guarantee at this point that Ellsbury and Happ are done.. and those 2 alone will free up $40ish mil per year. Their luxury tax situation moving forward (after 2020) looks to be quite good, so deal with the penalties for this year and sign the pieces they need, and then be in a much better position after this season.
mlarr64
@MurderersRow27
Not sure how accurate they are but Cot’s Baseball Contracts has the Yankee’s 40-man CB Tax Payroll at $209,691,667. (With Arb. predictions). Looks like there will be some non-tender/trade possibilities in the weeks to come but signing Gardner and possibly Cole would make for a nice tax penalty after the season.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Keep in mind the arbitration amounts for Judge & Sanchez will increase by about $15M next year, and Torres will get a sizable bump too. So while $40M comes off, another $15-$18M goes on just to keep 3 existing players.
MurderersRow27
@mlarr64
If that’s a new updated number, I apologize. Last I looked, about a week ago, it was around $206m (that difference is quite minimal though regardless). Although I agree that signing Gardner and Cole would make for a nice tax penalty after the season, I’d have to believe that a World Series win would make it all worth it (a trip to the World Series would add more than enough revenue to cover the penalty, not that that the extra revenue is really needed anyway considering the Yankees bring in $700m + a year as it is).. This team’s glaring need is an ace to top their rotation, that is blatantly obvious. I can understand not wanting to go the extra year with Corbin last year (Phillies also felt the same in their evaluation/pursuit of Corbin), but Corbin is NOT the caliber of pitcher that Cole is. Take a page out of 2009, a la the pursuit/signing of CC, and get the ace this team sorely needs, at almost a “whatever the cost” mindset.
Vandals Took The Handles
@Dorothy_Mantooth;
People here pretty much think that:
Revenues – Payroll = Dollars in the pocket of greedy billionaire owner
In the article and discussion above, it was noted that the Yankees were radically over a reasonable team payroll amount in 2003-04. An amount that was not sustainable. Ownership mandated that payroll be rolled back. But some of those payroll commitments took years to get out from under.
Now Yankee fans want to go back to the 2003-04 level in constant dollars (allowing for inflation) as they see how revenues have risen. But they elect not to factor in (among other things) the number of additional personnel the Yankees – like all MLB teams – have hired to stay competitive. Who ever heard of a Catching Coordinator or Quality Control Coach or Assistant Director of Player Development or Pitching Director in 2003-04? Those people aren’t working for $25k a year scans benefits. And most of them them need computer and electronic devices to do their jobs – hardware and software that is not cheap, and additional skilled technical people to maintain and upgrade those devices…..that don’t work cheap. Then they have to be transported and housed not just around the country, but many in foreign countries.
Costs of running an MLB operation have exploded in the last 15 or so years as the business has become far more sophisticated and complicated. As Branch Rickey and greats from Ty Cobb to Rogers Hornsby to Ted Williams have noted – players are made. The sport has passed Moneyball. Baseball Ops are now concentrating on finding undervalued players they believe they can work with and make better.
Number crunchers have shown that unless it’s short-term, Free Agency is usually an inefficient use of money. Long-term guaranteed contracts more often then not do not work out well for teams. FO’s are acting accordingly.
Roll
@murderersrow27 that is assuming Happ’s player option doesnt vest after 2020. Which he would have made using this years stats 27 starts (made 31) this year and almost made with innings 161 this year 165 to vest.
It will be interesting how they deploy him next year as i dont believe they are going to get cole but i do believe they will be players in the hamels, bumgarner, or wheelers as they will not want to go over the 2nd threshold. Also German is uncertain at this point as well with his charges. If my rostering is correct that leaves you with replacing cc with severino and german with with one of the 3 listed above if they do go that route. and leaving the last spot either the closer route or happ keeping the starting spot. This also doesnt account for injury either.
MurderersRow27
@Roll
I was aware of the status/innings stipulations of Happ’s 2021 option… But after his 2019, I doubt that he will hit either of those numbers. I think the only way the Yankees consider allowing Happ’s option to vest, is if he pitches anything like he did after they traded for him 2 seasons ago (maybe not 7-0 with a sub 2.80 era over 11 starts, but definitely closer to that than his 2019 performance). He’ll need to pitch well from the get go, or they’ll relegate him to the bullpen as the long man after Chad Green opens games. If he does that, then good for him and the Yankees… they’ll have the pitcher they thought they were signing. If he doesn’t, then they’ll pay him $17m this year and let him go via free agency. Another crazy possibility could be they trade him (even covering a huge chunk of his salary) and then they won’t have to worry about it at all. Of course, this is all my opinion, and I could be way off… time will tell
southbeachbully
@Bocephus
You say the most ridiculous things. You can argue if they can win a WS with this team and it’s a silly argument, but you can still have one. But to say that a team that won 100+ games back to back and did with their #1 ace and a host of injuries we all know about, won’t even make the playoffs is not only a stupid prediction but you lazily didn’t bother to declare “who among Tampa, Red Sox, Orioles and Jays” are going to supplant them from both the AL East or 1 of 2 wild-card spots? C’mon fam. You got the attention you wanted but was it worth it?
seth3120
The Yankees are way to good to miss the playoffs. Fill in players did over perform IMO but they also can’t have as many injuries as 2019. They can’t have the same level of injuries they had this year. One could argue it will hamper their chances of playoff success however
Melchez
If the yanks were healthy, would they have won more games? Be honest now.
MoRivera 1999
“Be honest now.” ?
What the heck is that supposed to mean? If they hadn’t had those 30 different players on the IL, if Severino, Betances, Hicks, Stanton, Andujar, Judge had all played something resembling a full season? If every single starting position player who spent time on the IL (they all did) had played instead? Every pitcher (almost all spent time on the IL)? Do I think that then they would have won more games? Absolutely. No question. Are you crazy? The amount of talent spent on the IL last year was more than the entire talent pool of half or more of the teams in baseball. Of course they would have done even better.
So what the heck is the “be honest now” supposed to mean?
fits65
Hey Melch-Be honest now. Since your wife told you to wear her panties haven’t the headaches become worse?
Melchez
“Be honest now” means think about what you are saying. They had injuries, but those injuries allowed some great seasons from players that never would have seen the field. Besides, “be honest now” do you think this team would have won more than 103 games? Really? The last time a Yankee team won more than 103 games was the 1998 Yankees with a superstar at every position playing like superstars. The time before that was 1963. So, “be honest now” do you think this Yankee group could have won more than 103 games? Really?
Melchez
Fist69… your mom has helped with the headaches, make sure you thank her for me.
AllRiseForTheJudge
lol not a chance they miss the playoffs after running away with the division in 2019. They’ll very likely win it again in 2020, but even if they don’t, there’s absolutely no way they don’t make it as a wild card.
mlb1225
Before 2019, he had a .7 HR/9 between 2015-2018. If they do un-juice the ball some, you should expect it to go down.
Old User Name
Most of those homers were hit by the Yankees.
Larry Leonardo
It is not news if Sherman wonders anything. He is wrong most of the time and it is not news. MLB trade rumors must be hard up for material.
spinach
This is what I came here to post. “Interestingly:” should never be used when discussing a Sherman piece (of ****).
Vandals Took The Handles
“The Yankees’ average payroll increase hasn’t matched the rest of the league’s overall increase over the last decade, however, even while the Yankees franchise has increased its revenues.
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Did their expenses increase?
Were all those computer devices, increased employees, scouting, facilities and other additions free? Did the cost of products go up in the past decade? Are Americans economically illiterate?
MoRivera 1999
Hal is pocketing the money George used to spend. He says “it shouldn’t cost $200MM to win a WS.” And he’s right. It shouldn’t, if you’re willing to wait 30 years like KC. But if you’re in a big market constant win-now mode it does take $200MM. It takes more than that. Much more. And it has for a while now. And Cash is just his lapdog going around making excuses for Hal’s utter lack of respect for the Yankee tradition.
Mrivers
No, they are obviously not spending equally with earnings.
Vandals Took The Handles
Please show us your figures.
MurderersRow27
@Vandals Took The Handles
Take a look at this. This might give some answers.
google.com/amp/s/www.pinstripealley.com/platform/a…
MurderersRow27
Here’s another one to look at as well. This one is more recent (I just read both of these to see if KevinS was right or not ha)…
google.com/amp/s/www.pinstripealley.com/platform/a…
Vandals Took The Handles
@MurderersRow27;
Interesting articles.
But as noted in one – there is no detail of Yankee costs other then payroll.
Having at one point been an accountant for a few years, these articles are nothing more then demagogic propaganda. They’re made up “facts” to build a narrative similar to what we see in politics / news today.
Critical thinking has been on life support in America for 15-20 years now. Those that can are prospering.
jbigz12
Lol Casually were an accountant for a few years? Your argument is garbage from the very start. You’re assuming the Yankees infrastructural spending is so high that it doesn’t match the other teams in the league? Other teams aren’t funding scouting and analytic teams? That’s only an expense for New York? And that increase in infrastructural spending outpaces a reduced payroll and increasing revenues?
And you believe you’re the critical thinker here?
The Yankees can spend whatever they want to spend. This is the United States and at the end of the day they’re a business. The margins are clearly better than the when the Boss was running the show. You’d have to bury your head in the sand not to know that.
jbigz12
lol did the prices of computers, scouting and facilities go up? Do the Yankees not also supply a product that would be subject to inflation? Did Yankee ticket prices not also go up? Did the Value of Real Estate/Facilities the Yankees own not increase in value?
Please don’t try to call people economically illiterate when you say garbage like that. I know that would make Your horribly slanted argument more meaningful if your crap was true. But it isn’t. If you think the writer has a slant; your argument is even worse. There’s absolutely no substance to it whatsoever.
If you want to know what Hal has actually been spending his money on it’s been purchasing YES! Network. The Yankees bought the rest of the network for 3.47 billion. Hal is well within his rights to do that. He obviously sees that as a highly profitable long term investment. That investment doesn’t have a thing to do with making the Yankees a better baseball team on the field.
PopeMarley
jbigz12 I really enjoyed your two posts here, very spot on. Way to debunk the guys slanted version of debunking.
Vandals Took The Handles
@jbigz12;
I like you. But you do this thing where you misstate what a person wrote, then go on a tangent to de-legitimatize them.
First off, I was an accountant for a bit under 3 years, but moved onto computer development for 35. At times I worked with accounting systems.
As for what I stated, I was NOT comparing the Yankees vs. other teams, I was comparing Yankee payroll and costs vs. 2003-04.
I would suggest to you that the expenses the Yankees and other MLB team have have skyrocketed in the past few years. A few months ago while still running the Red Sox, Dave Dombrowski remarked that he used to run baseball ops with maybe 60 people, then he had well over 300. Those people and what they need costs money.
MLB is a business, Understand the theory of computers in business……
Computers were not meant to replace people. If a department of 30 was faced with a doubling of their workload, management could hire 30 more people; or bring in a computer and 3 computer employees, then add 5 people to the department. Summary – a computer and 8 more people added to 30 existing emps could do the workload of 60, and be more efficient doing it.
Your linear thinking is at work here both in articles and comments – more revenues are being generated, so more money should be given to players. The owners are pocketing all the money. No. That theory is what killed the American auto industry in the 70’s as Unions fought automation and demanded companies hire more workers and pay them more instead.
The Yankees have been going in a direction for years – that of making the players on their roster productive each day. Throwing money at guys and then being forced to play them when they are on a downside rather then have players on the roster that can produce more for less is just dumb. It’s a waste of resources and bad business.
jbigz12
I wasn’t arguing for more money being given to any players.
Your first statement you argued that his money was being spent on analytics teams, organizational expenditures and essentially to inflation. There’s nothing else to pull from your first statement other than that. Then you basically said people need an economic lesson.
I gave no opinion on whether or not the Yankees should spend more. If you’ve seen my post I’m a big advocate for the the lack of value in free agency. That was not at all what you said in your first post.
its_happening
Vandals good posts. You’re dealing with a couple angry mental midgets, with one who as all but admitted sits behind a computer and doesn’t watch baseball. That would be the O’s fan.
jbigz12
Lol It must be sad to have self confidence that is so low you have to lie about changing anonymous usernames. You also can’t follow a basic instruction to go ahead and avoid interacting w me. I don’t come and say things about you anymore because it’s a gigantic waste of my time. I have no desire to talk to a wall.
So for the fifteenth time I’ll say it; I don’t want to interact w you. I’m sorry that I sniffed out the fact that you were TrimReaper in about 15 seconds. I know that triggered you but let’s go ahead and stop bud. Good luck commenting on other posts. Although there is next to no chance this will be followed. Let’s hope this is the one.
jbigz12
And Vandals if you want to talk about a tangent what the hell did you just go on? I didn’t say two words about a computer. Other than the fact that you included them in the Yankees “increasing” expense. I don’t know what the hell the point of all that was.
The Yankees spend more on scouting/development/coaching and analytics now then in the past. The Yankees do not spend as much on their team as they did w the boss. That is all and that is a fact.
You were asking for figures and then you tried to claim their other expenses has risen. As if it hadn’t for every other team in baseball. And that’s what I took issue with.
Hal is making more money off the Yankees than ever. That’s not necessarily a bad thing but it is a fact altogether. And like I said the brunt of that has been going to purchase the YES! Network.
The Yankees are free to do whatever they choose with their team. If they don’t want to sign a bunch of big deals they certainly don’t have to.
its_happening
JBigz did you come up with this idea not to speak to a wall you can’t bring down before or after using homophobic slurs toward me? I ask because it’s laughable you’d talk about someone being triggered. I understand you don’t want to interact with me. You get upset and come up with bigoted retorts. The weak tends to resort to things like that.
Anyway, Spring Training begins late-February but I would go on YouTube and do a search on major league baseball so you can actually watch games and be more knowledgeable on how the game is played. And you should apologize to Vandals for having an opinion that differs from yours.
jbigz12
Lmao. If you got real upset I’m sorry. I’m sorry if I’ve ever hurt your feelings bud. Unlike you I’ve made the choice to stop communication. It’s very easy. Your feelings don’t have to be hurt and I don’t have to spend my time doing something I don’t want to do.
You lost any opportunity to take the high road a long time ago. Seriously buddy we can go find old links or we can just end communication because that’s much eaSier.
If you want to keep the feeling of superiority you have by all means. Continue that in your everyday life. I’m sure it’s suited you well. Please continue to think your untrained eye watching baseball is superior to scouts opinions and actual data. Keep hammering that point home. You’re really doing a good job. after all if scouts were actually smart they’d be doctors or lawyers, right!??!
AssumesFactNotInEvidence
Vandals, you are so lazy/not doing any research and then ask are Americans economically illiterate? NYY revenue increased from 215M in 2001 to 668M in 2018 (3.1 x increase), their player payroll increased from 110M to 169M over the same time period (1.5 x increase). Revenue not obligated to player payroll increased for 105M to 499M. You are the one in this case who is economically illiterate or more likely just a lazy *ss blow hard…
okiguess
George died in 2010. Team is now run by accountants, not an entrepreneur.
shortytallz
George didnt have to deal with the luxury tax.
Vandals Took The Handles
George outspent every team in baseball – some by insane amounts – from the late 70’s to the time he was suspended in the 90’s, and never made the playoffs.
The team won when he let Gene Michael and others – particularly scouts, managers, coaches – draft, sign, and develop players as opposed to overpaying for guys that almost all went downhill.
It’s a pity so many Yankee “fans” have no clue as to how winning teams are built and maintained. The mentality is like politicians that throw obscene amounts of money at things that never fix anything and continue to make matters worse.
Cashman is doing a sensational job in making the Yankees a first class baseball operation. Making your players better has replaced Moneyball in what the franchises that win are zeroing in on. Example – Urshela cost a small fraction of what Yankee fans wanted to pay Machado, yet Urshela was far, far more productive. High-priced Yankee starters were injured all season. Instead of whining like Phillie fans about their teams injuries (which were far less), Cashman and his staff brought in players (like Urshela) and had coaches work with them (like Urshela), and the Yankees made it to the last game of the ALCS. The Yankees have learned from teams like the Rays and Indians how to maximize the money spent. Kudo’s to the Twins as well. Nationals got the most out of almost all the players they had on their roster as the year progressed. It’s not just the future of MLB, it’s the present.
Dorothy_Mantooth
They lost in 6 to Houston, not 7.
Roll
@dorothy_mantooth not sure your point here …. he said the last game of the alcs not game 7 of the alcs.
Ashtem
The A’s too
PopeMarley
“George outspent every team in baseball-some by insane amounts-from the late 70’s to the time he was suspended in the 90’s, and never made the playoffs.” Wrong the Yankees were in the ALCS in 1980 where they lost to the Royals in 3 games to 0, and played the Dodgers in the World Series in 1981 losing 4 games to 2.
The rest of your post is comes off as pure arrogance. Like you have first hand knowledge, and no one else can possibly understand it but you.
AssumesFactNotInEvidence
Vandals you are so lazy. The Yankees made the playoffs 1976, 1977, 1978, 1980, and 1981. They won the World Series in 1977 and 1978. You continue to be a lazy *ss blow hard,,,
PopeMarley
I was giving this blowhard the benefit of the doubt by not including 77-78.
Baseballfreak
This site is getting stupid with all the Yankee haters on here and sabermetric junkies! Please, just enjoy the damn game! Y’all spend more time looking up this or cyphering that, crunching this or arguing that! There’s no way any of you guys even watch a game because you’re too busy trying to one up someone on here! Then you try to sound like you know the game and most of you have never known how to swing a bat or field a ball from first hand experience, you just read what others say about how to do it! Do us all a favor and please start your own site that you can argue like preteen girls and leave the hard work to real fans and athletes! I’ve been on here for over ten years but the last two to three years have gotten ridiculous with all you snot nosed, Twinkie eating crybabies bashing each other on every post! Either just enjoy the game or sit in front of your computer playing your fantasy league and crunching numbers while you argue with yourself! Damn!
MurderersRow27
@Baseballfreak
Are you hungry man? Here, have a snickers… you’re not yourself when you are hungry. Better now? Seriously now, although I agree that there are more than a few trolls here and many worthless comments across these boards, there are also quite a few knowledgeable and passionate fans in here that contribute well thought out and articulate posts.
Vandals Took The Handles
“This site is getting stupid with all the Yankee haters on here and sabermetric junkies!”
@Baseballfreak;
I’ve been on-and-off here for maybe 4-5 years.
There are just as many Yankee lovers that blitz the place with stats and payroll data that have no more of an understanding of that data then they do of playing baseball and/or the current state of the professional game.
This site is very agent-oriented. It’s probably the best place on the Internet to find MLB transactions of all players, not just the current juicy, sexy players. It basically correlates some individual player stats (a mix ever changing to match a narrative) to their salary and compare it to like players. That has little to do with why teams win or not. It is a bit sad that after all these years, they have not taken their concept further, and clearly laid out the teams that were efficient and inefficient in salary regarding each season, and their history. That would be beneficial, although not to agents.
There is also a serious misconception from posters of the role various front office people play in player acquisitions. Most decisions are made with input from multiple sources and subsequent discussion. Stating that this person or that person was totally responsible for individual players coming in or going out is silly. Sometimes ownership intervenes; sometimes outside consultants have a say, etc. The pecking order inside each franchises building is ever-changing and not known, nor are the considerations for each decision. What we can do is pick up patterns of how people at upper levels produce over time, and if they’re modifying their approach….as Cashman has.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@baseballfreak Well said!! Also what @murderersrow27 said. It doesn’t help that some folks are constantly feeding these trolls. Ignore them if you all want better comment boards.
fitsiqis65
Ok cash lovers. Riddle us this. The Yankee payrolls have been 3 times league average for 16 years, yet the genius has been to one world series in that time.
and, you all expect Yankee fans to be satisfied with just making it to October????
The problem is not Hal who clearly allows spending. The problem is Cashman. This is once again not to say he is terrible GM, he is just very very overrated. He is a GM who enjoys an unparalleled advantage in resources and delivers relative C+ results.
Givens? really? he is what was missing? what was missing was a guy or 2 to match up with the cole and verlanders, and scherzer and strasburgs of the game, and guys who don’t strike out 50-70% of the time in October.
Hal- should be blamed for not having the testicular fortitude to hold Cash responsible for substandard results versus resources.
luclusciano
Just so I understand your stance here. Are you Saudi g they should be spending so much as they are not winning and not having the results you expect, or are you saying they should be spending that money, exceeding the tiered tax thresholds and putting together a piece meal World Series?
As a fan of a team I would prefer winning seasons with a core team. World Series is great, and disappointing when you don’t win, but you are talking about a week out of a year, that is reset. Watching a season with a 100+ wins makes the season great. That is what a GM does – puts together a team that can win. If the team does not succeed it is on the players. Players get that, why can’t fans?
PopeMarley
Winning the World Series is what it’s all about. If that’s not important for you maybe Golf is a sport for you.
luclusciano
Reading would be a great past time for you. The point of playing is to win a World Series – which would be great. But not winning is not a failed year. You can not win and still have a successful year.
PopeMarley
The most important thing in all of sports is to finish the year winning a title. That is why you play the games, and that is a good year bruh.
PopeMarley
*no that is the successful year!!!
fits65
Het IQIS-speaking of testicular comparisons should we remind you of how the Mrs. shut you off because you changed your alias here and hijacked someone else’s identity.
Perhaps it was the Brett Gardner photo (Shirtless and showing off his physique that she hung above your sink in the bathroom? It’s too bad that you are so short you can’t reach it to take it down.
So it’s time to stop taking those crazy meds and let your permanent hard on for the Yankees subside.
Vandals Took The Handles
Just saw this.
“The Yankee payrolls have been 3 times league average for 16 years, yet the genius has been to one world series in that time.”
LOL
Most of the posts above – as well as since the Yankees season ended – have been that the Steinbrenner’s are pocketing all the profits; instead they need to stop being greedy and spend even more money on sexy free agents to win a WS.
fitsiqis65
im saying its pathetic that cashman needs to outspend other by more than 3 to 1 to get to the WS
Phanatic 2022
Much like your life one would imagine….
fitsiqis65
@94 so no actual cognitive response or fact? typical
fits65
You are A.D.D. FIQS; one minute criticizing the Yankees for not spending and then complaining that we have to outspend other teams by 3-1 to get into the World Series.
If you keep it up your wife is going to audition real men for your replacement and
make you watch in the corner.
fitsiqis65
and there ya go moron. this is a conversation between adults who understand math.
besides its your boyfriend who asked if he could drop the soap once in a while.
And for the record FITs who’s IQ is under 65. I argued not for the yanks to spend more or less, only differently. Meaning (and this is why your really are just stupid), CC, Gardy and Happ costs 35-36 mill last year. Think that money could have been better on someone like corbin. And yes, i argued to sign manny or harper, BUT only if it meant trading others resources for top flight pitchers.
meaning back in you limited realm of IQ- you never present fact. ever. you simply don’t comprehend what adults talk about.
Phanatic 2022
Papa George is rolling in his grave. Must be the milkman’s kids…
Louiebeans
Yankees gonna throw the same junk out there for 2020
cmr34
The people who want the Yankees to spend like drunken sailors don’t understand the game. They also don’t understand how the team was super successful back in the core four era. There’s cost to doing business in a reckless way. See the redsox or any team run by Dombrowski. They’re supposed to just give blank checks to everyone for a crapshoot tournament in October ? No guarantees. The object is to remain good long term. Winning the ws is not a shoe in just because you make sexy acquisitions.
Yankee Mike
Agree to some extent. You do have to pay for an Ace to win a title it seems. This year Washington paid to get Mad Max, Corbin. Last year’s champs the Sox paid to get Price and Sale. Houston previously made the big acquisition in Verlander. The Yankees understand the dynamics and they will have to pay Judge and Torres down the line soon. They do need to make a decision on Sanchez. He has great pop, but is insistent on pulling the ball and always swinging for the fences. He also is the worst I have seen in my 40 years of watching baseball at blocking balls in the dirt. The new catching coach should help, but it comes down to want to. Some guys “make it” and then forget what it takes to make the next level. The Yankees have a ton of “plus” arms in the minors. Let’s hope a few of them pan out, but I do expect them to sign a Cole, Strasburg this off season to lead the rotation. I personally am a huge fan of Tyler Wade and think given the opportunity, he could be a very solid major leaguer. Not claiming all star, but very solid. Not sure that chance comes in NY, but it wouldn’t upset me if it did.
whyhayzee
Gio Urshela goes from a negative WAR to 3.4, replacing Andujar’s 2.2 in 2018. Mike Tauchman goes from negative WAR to 3.6, replacing Stanton’s 4.0 in 2018. Domingo German goes from 0.0 WAR to 1..9 WAR, but not really replacing Severino. Chapman looks like the Mona Lisa on the mound after serving it up on a platter for the Astros. Meanwhile, too many of their “star” players are regressing. I don’t see a team getting better. The fake ball turned a bunch of their punch and judy hitters into home run threats, but that won’t continue without the fake ball. The Mets are poised to take back New York, since it’s always been a National League town anyway. The yankees will fall back into the “who cares” bin at the dollar store.
cantstopbuccin55
MLB SHOULD HAVE CAP NOT THE LUXURY TAX