Reports indicate that the Yankees have reached an agreement to keep closer Aroldis Chapman in pinstripes through 2022. New York will add a third year valued at $18MM in addition to the two years and $30MM that remained on Chapman’s previous contract with the club, bringing its total commitment to the hurler to $48MM over the next three seasons, according to reporting from ESPN’s Jeff Passan (link).
Chapman had been facing a Saturday deadline on an opt-out decision regarding the remaining two seasons on the five-year contract he signed with the club prior to the 2017 season, but the addition of a third season has apparently persuaded him to forego open market opportunities. His original deal with New York represented the largest guarantee ($86MM) ever given to a free agent reliever, and this extension promises to bring Chapman’s six-year Yankees outlay to a whopping $104MM.
Our own Steve Adams predicted on Friday that a three-year deal would be the 31-year-old pitcher’s most likely free agency outcome if Chapman’s representatives at Magnus Sports had been unable to reach an extension accord with New York. That both club and agency were able to come to an agreement should be a boon to the Yankees bullpen, being that Chapman’s presence will allow fellow relievers Zack Britton, Adam Ottavino, Tommy Kahnle, and Chad Green to remain in the roles they held in 2019. And that’s before accounting for the Cuban native’s personal performance.
In 2019, Chapman, though not exactly the radar gun-breaking flamethrower he once was, recorded superlative numbers by pretty much any measure. He posted 57 innings — his most since signing with New York — en route to a sparkling 2.21 ERA; his 13.4 K/9 rate and 0.47 HR/9 rate were also ready evidence of the lefthander’s late-inning dominance. Working in the tight confines of Yankee Stadium, Chapman recorded 37 saves–his seventh time in the last eight seasons eclipsing the 30-save plateau.
Had Chapman chosen to forego the remaining two years on his deal, he would have in all likelihood entered free agency with a $17.8MM qualifying offer attached to his name. Last offseason saw another great closer of the current era, Craig Kimbrel, remain on the open market well into the regular season after being attached to a QO, so it’s fair to wonder whether that spectacle encouraged Chapman to remain with the bird in hand. Regardless, tonight’s development marks a continued union between arguably the game’s best closer and a team that has in recent years come tantalizingly close to postseason paydirt.
With Chapman off the board, names like Will Harris, Will Smith, Daniel Hudson, and Dellin Betances likely represent the upper end of the 2019-2020 free agent relief class. MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes recently took a look at some of this winter’s most interesting free agent bullpen arms.
Good deal for both.
Stupid decision.
Probably not, but your input is enlightening.
@adam
Great comment. This deal seems such a great fix for all. Such a good match I don’t know who’s decision StandUp is referring to.
Sit down, guy
He is probably sitting down, dude. Highly unlikely he is standing up. So you need to consider that, genius.
In fact, you’re pretty offensive.
stupid for whom? not disagreeing with you just wondering, elaborate if you will
On whose part? Certainly not on Chapman’s side. One look at last off-season’s Kimbrel situation, arguably a better free agent than Chapman, and you can see how badly it could have turned out for Chapman had he opted out.
Kimbrel asked for a ludicrous $100M/6. He probably could’ve landed $60M/4 if he had engaged earlier.
Yeah the problem was Kimbrel and Keuchel’s initial ask and the inability for them to move away from it. Even with that he got 43 million. It’s a fine deal for both sides though. It was pretty clear he was going to opt out for more money if this wasn’t reached. He’s happy there and he got 48 million.
Kimbrel’s better than Chapman? In what universe?
I would take Chapman no doubt. But going into free agency the argument could have been made that Kimberly was better. He fall off in the playoffs which isn’t good but he still had a strong 2018 and awesome 2017. Again I’ll take Chapman but easier to say after seeing his 2019 performance or lack there of
I honestly didn’t mean to write Kimberly but that’s funny
Ms Chef meant to say that he is way cuter. She’s just another Yankee hater on here.
As we both know Mo, Kimbrel was always prone to September mishaps, however last year (including the post season) he showed a downright fragility.
Quit being so negative!!
Really smart decision. No one would have given him 18 million even for one year & they most certainly would not have given up draft choices on top of all that cash. I hate the Yankees & even I see that’s a great move by him and gets to stay with a team that if they add a Cole or Strasburg, could win it next year. You must be living under a rock not to noticed a lot of FA pitchers over 30 have not done well lately.
You’re vastly underrating Aroldis Chapman if you don’t believe he could’ve gotten 18 million per. And your comment makes no sense. You hate the Yankees so you see it as a smart move for the PLAYER and not the team? Not sure why you’d want to mention that.
Hey big-your post is looking small. Chapman couldn’t get anymore or his agent would have told to opt out. He wanted a second add on year and the Yankees held firm.
The Yankee extension is the best real market, given the fragility of pitchers anyway.
I think he would have gotten a fourth year but might have only added $5m-$10m so this is as good or better.
Agreed.
Wow! That was a short trip through free agency!
Was never a free agent.
That’s what opt out means! They either renegotiate their contract or hit free agency! You’re a free agent! Damn!
He didn’t opt out though.
Technically, he was never really a free agent since he never actually opted out and the minimum time required after the WS had not passed. So 24 was right, but I’m sure you knew that.
Contract decisions were due yesterday (Nov 2) (i.e. club options, player options, opt outs, etc). Yankees clearly reached a deal before Chapman had to make his decision, so he never became a free agent.
All that is correct except the deadline in Monday the 4th not the 2nd. Its 5 days after the world series ends. Some players (think Chapman might have been one) have it in their contracts that they or the team have to decide sooner.
The five days is to negotiate with free agents, opt-outs have different schedules. But, he never did hit free agency.
Yes, but Chapman and Strasburg both had claudes in their contracts were they had to decide by November 2.
Whereas JD Martinez has u til Monday the 4th to decide his opt out.
It all depends on the contract.
Glad the team increased his AAV. I had expected one or two more years if they went forward but at a lesser average cost. He in my view will not be worth $18m that last season.
he did not opt out! try reading
Does it really matter ? Splitting hairs here
As adamonthestore noted to, the 5 days after is the deadline for negotiating with your own free agents. Most contract decisions were due on Nov 2, which is why you heard about decisions for Strasburg, Chapman, among others yesterday.
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He never opted out. Therefore he was never a free agent. That is what opt out really means. You have to OPT out to become a free agent. As he never opted out he never became a free agent and was never on the open market and never was allowed to even talk to anyone else.
Could they work the deal? By paying him more in the front end? Like 18 the first two years, and 12 the third year?
He’s already getting $17.2 mil. All they did was add another year and $800k.
He signed before he hit free agency.
I understood what you were saying.
So you could say Chapman reloaded?
This is not good.
Hey he gave it his best shot
He’s probably pretty fired up right now.
he aimed for a targeted deal and apparently hit the mark
Defective child. You never make a joke with domestic violence in it. Never. You remind me of Taubman. He doesn’t take it seriously, either.
You don’t make jokes using domestic violence, rape, etc., You have to take those things seriously, idiot.
Another child. Like Taubman.
How’s the view from up there?
Better than from the gutter.
You’re comments are kind of ironic considering your username.
@Mo4ever
I would never kid or make fun of DV but honestly, am I the only one who thinks maybe this was taken the wrong way.
Unless I missed something are people saying he said “Wow…he just made a great play. Let me look around for female reporters and rub it in their face”? TO me it may have been just a case where he was truly happy to have him and looked towards the first ppl he said and said “I’m so glad we have him”.
Maybe I’m wrong. Seems like an overly PC offense, He would have to be a real 200% pure jerkand an idiot to intentionally say that…to female reporters…you know…who report things,
No you could not say that. Not even a good attempt at humor
You really have a problem. You never make a joke with domestic violence in it. Never. Unless you’re a defective child. That goes for those who “like” it, too.
Dumb. Not a good move.
Locked up a premier reliever in a market where they are scarce – what’s dumb about it?
Believe what many didn’t post are the cash may have been better distributed towards a premier SP since NY already has 2 closer types under contract.
I knew they’d do something like this. I think this super bullpen strategy is what they’ve locked themselves into.
and it’s not a bad strategy in this day and age when starters can’t work the third time through the order. Frankly, they could really use Betances, too. They managed without him last year but they definitely lost some games because of it.
You saw how that strategy lost in the playoffs. Not to mention the Champs used starters that went deep into games. 3 years of this strategy and no World Series.
@thegreatcerealfamine
Right..because he made zero attempts to bring in SP last year. (Paxton and Happ).
I’m 99% sure that the bullpen strategy came after they were unable to acquire a #1 ace so instead said “Well let
stack the bullpen and offense rather than putting the money back in our pockets”.
Yanks have historically tried to have a dominant bullpen. It’s only that they are paying so much for guys now whereas before they may have went with cheaper options.
They have been using this strategy for 4 seasons 16-19, and it’s not working. Those seasons had by some of these players will not repeat, Tauchman, Urshela, Maybin (if brought back) and certainly not Gardner. They always won in the past with a heavy left-handed lineup, and starters that could go at least 6. Yes they traded for Paxton, but there’s huge red flags on this guy, why do you think the Mainers were willing to trade him? and the return they got wasn’t the greatest.
@thegreatcerealfamine
I wouldn’t say they the bullpen was ever “plan A”. If anything, it was Plan B. Going into 2019 Serverino, Paxton, Tanaka, Happ and Sabathia seemed like a solid rotation.one #1, one (Sev), one #2 (Paxton) a couple of #3 types (Tanaka and Happ) and a #5 in Sabathia with German, Montgomery, Adams and Loisaiga as AAA depth.
I think once he failed to get Corbin he wisely put the money into having the best bullpen I think they’ve ever had. But I don’t think Cash would rather have a great bullpen and just an of starting staff. I think keeping Chapman is more of a “let’s not get any worse than we were” November pre-FA move.. I expect them to address Didi, Betances, Gardner and Romine in the next week too. Then he will get into the non-Yankee FA, But I do feel he will go hard for Cole and maybe one other.
Hey cereal-the mariners traded him because they were unloading all of their large contracts and trying to rebuild the farm system. And Cashman is expert in trades like that (Gleyber for a Chapman rental).
And the bullpen strategy would have worked in the post season had Betances not suffered a freak injury after his first outing. Combined with Severino still in spring training in terms of stamina those factors were ultimately detrimental.
Oh, and one tired homerun pitch from Chapman was the difference because the Astros went on to show that their bullet proof rotation was penetrable.
Thanks for you invaluable and detailed reasoning.
He is still one of the most serviceable closets in the game and if someone beats him out he can become a setup man. Think it’s good for both teams.
Yeah, great place to store all the clothes I’m not currently wearing.
He is probably related to respondent azelch99.
my closet is so full of clutter I need to hire a professional ORGANIZER lol sheesh
Ask how the Dodgers like Jansen. Shelf lives of hard throwers fall off quickly and unannounced.
Of course, they would never let a good player leave, n Chapman knew that. No way would a player like him leave to a soon to be rival team.
I wonder if Jose Altuve thinks he’s a good player
Yawn.
Hilarious.
I wonder if he thinks the nationals are a good team?
Ouch!
Every once in a while the blind squirrel finds a nut…..
The next time that you sneeze Tatis sour wife is going to criticize you in public for slobbering your flu like germs all over everyone.
I wonder if anyone wants you here.
I would’ve let him walk, but I’m ok with it so long as Cashman doesn’t later say there wasn’t enough money left to sign Cole or Strasburg. No more excuses. Time to go get an ace.
Nationals and Strasburg are renegotiating.
Strasburg opted out
Dumb! 18 mil for his 35 year old season when you already see his velocity dipping. If that precludes them from going after Cole that will make this deal even worse.
I understand the velocity dropped however look at the avg per yr of any closer or batter signed last cpl yrs.
dipping? to 99?
He means not 100+. You won’t find many 30+ y.o. throwing at full exertion if they want a prolonged career like Chapman. Command, control, and experience be darned, right?
How is it dumb? Adding an extra year worth 18M is a risk, but they almost have to take it. It’s time for them to win now, not a few years from now and as of now Chapman is one of the best. Doesn’t really matter how good he is at age 35, it matters what he does this coming year and the next.
Adding 1 year to Chapman’s deal won’t stop them from pursuing Cole or Strasburg. They are either going into this offseason ready and willing to make the kind of investment it’ll take to land a top FA or like last year, they aren’t.
It will preclude them from going after Cole
How would you know that?
It’s the word on the street apparently. See what I did there?
Yes I did. The word on the street is “Cole’s teammates say playing in California is definite for him”.
@PopeMarley
I was referring more to his name being “wordonthestreet”. But ok. You feel that gust of wind blowing over your head? 🙂
Bad move. Should have let him test the market with a QO attaches. They better not get outbid for starters with this cash tied up already.
Money is never the issue, it’s the years that the Yankees don’t want to give to starters. I don’t see this impacting free agency
Agreed with the QO.
Extending Chapman by a year won’t have any impact on whether they sign a FA starter or not.
One down, Stras and Cole to go. Keep it up!
He’s not being added, just extended.
He was still on the task list.
So the contract gets worse over time. Nice move!
They call that the Lando
It’s 1 additional year. Relax.
Good deal, is there risk? Of course, it’s a pitcher, but he is still one the best in the game. His slider is coming along nicely and is less reliant on the fastball which has lost a few ticks overall but he can still get it up to 103 when necessary. People seem to forget, cause the Yankees are one of the best at having consistently good relievers, but how up and down relievers are, so when you have one that has been consistently great for such a long period of time, you try and keep him. Just ask almost every other team in the majors on how hard it is. This team is a win now team so if slightly overpaying a 35yr old (age at the time this extention yr kicks in) allows you to keep him for the next couple season while the rest of your team is in there prime, you do it.
People who think this will have any affect on how they approach free agency this year are dumb. They will either intend to invest heavily in starters or they won’t, this extention won’t have any impact on that. All the FA starters are going to get paid more than the Yanks want to give, as they do every year, but this year I believe they will be as committed as 2009 when they signed CC, Burnett, and maybe even a surprise like Tex.
one world series win in last 19 seasons so clearly the Cashman formula is working
But mah 1927
@dynamite drop in monty
Yeah because being relevant in just about every decade is such a bad thing. Yanks don’t have the lux of tearing it down and tanking for a 5 year stretch like most other teams.
18m (the tacked on year) is a lot of money for a 34 year old closer, but I think it’s a risk the Yankees had to take. It’s always a plus when a team has their 9th inning presumably locked down, therefore the bullpen can be molded around that pitcher.
Chapman’s velocity/K9 both declined in 2019, but he still got the job done for the most part, so there are more than enough reasons to believe he can continue to have success.
Albatross. But it’s just the usual bidding up the price of closers for all the other teams. Typical yankee move.
Wait, what?
Lol… what??
You seriously think that? You’re whacked.
Y’all are dumb as hell. That last year is always an option year. So, to retain the AL Reliever of the Year, while keeping the horses we have in the same roles, means a lot to the yanks. You all want them to not sign anyone until they try and snag Cole or Strasburg while forgetting there’s a whole roster full of decisions to be made aside from the big fish. I think the yanks will have to do due diligence on the trade market if they do try for one of the big fish. Didi’s probably gone, with a QO attached. We’ll be alright, just need patience. We’ve blown past expectations given the circumstances the past few years so i think they’ve earned a little patience from the faithful
Zero chance they attach a QO to Didi.. Zero!
@NYY42
Why wouldn’t they if they can’t work something out beforehand? DId is still a top SS. 1 bad season, especially coming off of a major injury rehab, doesn’t me he’s no longer a good player. Someone is going to take a chance on him, and I don’t mean for peanuts. Offering a QO is a no-brainer. So what if it’s a 1 year overpay?
Thanks for bringing up reliever of the year. What a joke of a decision that was. They screwed both leagues winners up for that award.
Should have let him walk and sign Betances. He choked vs Houston and should not have been extended. Can hit 103 and throws a slider to one of the nest hitters, are you kidding me. Yankees pitching analytics are horrible. Glad the pitching coach is gone, it’s way over due. However, if you think Chapman’s contract is bad, it pales in comparison to brittle left fielder Stanton.
Such a knee jerk reaction. Chapman should be let go because he made a bad pitch? Find me a pitcher that never makes a bad pitch and we’ll talk. Chapman is still one of the best closers in the game. As much as I like Betances he has been hurt all year. No telling how he will actually be once he returns. Also, prime Betances likes to give you anxiety by walking two or three guys before getting out of the inning. Surprised thats the guy you would rather have in a big spot against the games best hitters.
It wasn’t even a bad pitch. It was a high outside slider that broke well. And Altuve of all people pulled it, yes PULLED it, over the stadium. I’m sorry, but to me, Altuve is the one who is suspect after that pitch… Not Chapman.
Well maybe it was a bad decision more so than a bad pitch, but i too think Astros were really relying on pitch-tipping/sign-stealing for most of their success on offense this postseason. Im just saying not every reliever is perfect all the time. If you want to criticize the deal, bringing up the size of the contract is probably the best argument against it, given his age and archetype (power-pitcher), but bringing up the fact that he got beat by one of the games best hitters as a critique is silly.
I enjoy the occasional hating on Chapman as much as anyone, but, it wasn’t a poorly executed pitch that he left flat like a nice meatball over the heart of the plate.
You want to assign blame? Let’s add the scouting staff and coachest who prepped the game plan of how to go after the hitter, and let’s add the catcher who called for the pitch as well.
They did what they thought would work. Sometimes a talented hitter just beats you. All you can do is tip your hat to their skills and move on.
It’s not like this was some mendoza line scrub getting a grand slam after seeing 3 guys in front getting unintentionally walked to load em up
Love it, glad Chapman is sticking around!
Good move. That slider he’s developed is even more devastating as the 103 mph fastball he used to have because he uses it with his 98-100 mph fastballs. One pitch plays off the other, making both more effective.
Brings back memories of the A-Rod opt-out scenario. Is Hank back in power again?
Not really. While I only like the move because I’m a Sox fan, it’s only one year. I think ARod’s added three, big difference in the money. Plus, the Yanks were aware of the PED issue.
Like the Sox were aware of Manny’s PED issue? Papi’s??
No arguments from me Mo4. I’ve started many times Papi belongs in the City of Boston’s HOF for 2013 but cheated in my opinion and should not be rewarded with entry into baseball’s HOF. But to your point, Boston never renegotiated with Manny and negotiations with Papi were usually tough, short term deals and not for huge yearly amounts comparably speaking.
Ah man, don’t bring up that horrible story of the Yankees bidding against themselves!
You’re comparing an extra 1/$18 to what. An extra 5/$150 mil for a guy with a history of steroid use?
I’m fine with this. I’m not thrilled. I don’t think this changes anything for the Yankees. I also think Chapman getting any grief for the Altuve home run, painful as that was, can be explained by an MVP caliber player in his prime, known for miraculously going upstairs and knocking balls into base hits or home runs, going upstairs and hit a home run.
Chapman is worth what he gets paid in this market. He opted out of two years. One year isn’t going to look bad for the Yankees or for Chapman and it simply means a 5 year/$86M deal becomes a 6 year/$104M deal, which isn’t that bad of an overall rate and isn’t much of a raise on what he’s earning now.
Everybody keeps saying Chapman had 2 years/$30M left, but there’s an extra $4.4M in there either as a signing bonus, deferred money or whatever but he isn’t getting a raise so much as he’s getting a salary adjusted for inflation and one year tacked on.
And if they could afford a $15-17..2M closer, I don’t see how having an $18M closer precludes the Yankees from signing a $33M starter. Remember 11 years ago when they handed out a combined $69M per season to Sabathia, Burnett, Jaret Wright (remember him!?) and Mark Teixeira? No reason they can’t now hand out $53M to Cole and Chapman, $17.2M of which to Chapman was already accounted for in their budget..
Also don’t forget that with insurance, Ellsbury is basically a $7M player or a $4.5M player, something very cheap like that, Sabathia is gone, too, giving them over $20M in budget room for roster spots that can be filled cheaply and then have that money allocated to extending guys like Judge and Paxton.
Your post are always so long but I must admit usually interesting!
Insurance only benefits in savings for their bottom line, and has nothing to do with the luxury threshold for payroll. It would be downright disastrous to extend Paxton given how brittle he is.
Fair enough. However, extending Paxton “would be disastrous” depends on what you assume I think they’d extend him for. 6 years/$150M? Yeah, probably wouldn’t work out well. However, I don’t think they viewed him as a rental piece and I think if they get other good starters to back him up, he wouldn’t be relied upon as heavily as he was in 2019 and would get stretched out further as a result of 1-2 fewer innings pitched per game, so he wouldn’t be a ‘disaster’. I could see a 4 year/$60M deal ($12M, $13M, $15M, $18M w/ $2M buyout on a $22M option) Also “would be disastrous” is a serious over statement. Literally nothing in baseball is disastrous. No one player decides the outcome of a season or a team. Paxton’s highest pay threshold wouldn’t limit the Yankees’ payroll capacities in any way. And as far as the luxury tax threshold goes, considering the number of teams who go up to it and past it and that the Yankees have the biggest coffers, I don’t think that’s an issue.
They’re already up against the threshold as it is, and need 1-2 starters that will give them innings. Cashman already extended Hicks after only 1 healthy season, and see how that’s turned out. Same goes for Paxton only having the 1 season (of which he was hurt), look at the dudes track record.
It’s risk reward. He’s going to bank probably 12-13 via arb this year so the raise for AAV shouldn’t be ridiculous. I’d happily give him a 4/65 if he’d take it. He hasn’t banked a ton of money in his career.
Paxton won 15 games. Disaster? Like JBJ disaster? No. Just no.
“Like JBJ disaster?” What’s Paxton got to do with JBJ??
@thegreatcerealfamine
Would you not have to consider the length and dollars of a Pax extension before calling it “disastrous”??
A 3/$60mil is hardly a bad move. Paxton was great in his 2nd half of the season and one of the few pitchers on the staff (along with German) who pitched well at home vs on the road.
Yes, given his injury problems. I said the same thing about Hicks.
Should have let him walk!!
Chappy going to be on I L next year mark my word he got his money .O by the way sign that other loser Gardner same crap with those Yankees
The Curse of Aroldis Chapman LIVES ON!
Last person in baseball id want on my team
On mine it’s David Price LOL
DP won a WS for his team
So did Chapman
Wow!
Guess I’ll ask Price for his autograph.
I’ll bet you the Red Sox would trade him right now if they could.
No one will give you anything for Price and they would make you eat most of his “terrible” contract if they did take him.
Yankee fans will spin this as Chapman taking a discount to remain a Yankee.
Notice, no mention of him coughing up the winning run in the clincher. If it would have been any other team… mlbtr would have harped on any negativity. Like they did with Kimbrel. They talked about his age, his troubles in the playoffs. Not with a yankee though.
Your sadness is funny.
How can I be sad when the Yanks are sitting at home during the World Series?
I think the Chapman signing is an excellent move for the Yanks and for Chapman. Could he have gotten more by entering the market? Maybe? But why take that chance when your team is willing to renegotiate. Yanks are in an excellent position to challenge the next couple years and they have one of the best closers and some of the best set-up men in the game. The bullpen has been a huge plus, don’t take away from it.
They need to focus on the rotation and improve there. Pick up 2 top of the rotation guys and maybe add a couple left handed bats,
What, the Sox weren’t sitting at home? Perspective.
As long as the yanks don’t make it, I’m very happy.
I was waiting for you to comment some bs about the Yankees… surprised it took this long. The greatest reliever of all time, Mariano Rivera, blew a game 7 in the World Series against the Diamondbacks. These things happen, because NOBODY is perfect. Should that have stopped the Yankees from employing Rivera? Because of 1 blown save? Such a sad troll attempt, yet again…
You were waiting for me? Awww, that’s so sweet. Too bad you didn’t comprehend what I said. I said the mlbtr writer avoided any negative comments about a Yankee player because it would hurt your feelings. Unlike when Kimbrel hit the market… oh, they slammed him for his age, (even though he’s younger than Chapman), they slammed him for his recent playoff performance. (even though Kimbrel performed better AND won a ring). That’s what I said. Maybe when you keep saying “27”, that’s referring to your IQ?
Considering it’s like clockwork that as soon as the Yankees are brought up you come in trolling. It’s pretty much every post… When I keep saying 27? What the hell are you talking about? If you’re referencing the handle I use on this board, 27 is short for 1927.. for when the term Murderer’s Row was used to describe the top 6 batters in the Yankees’ lineup; Earle Combs, Mark Koenig, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Bob Meusel, and Tony Lazzeri… another weak attempt at trolling though, coming from the biggest Yankee troll on this board.. Chapman threw 1 bad pitch, to the wrong guy, and it resulted in the Yankees’ season ending. It is what it is. Kimbrel became a free agent at the wrong time, and all the reports were that he wanted too much money and too many years, and that’s why he sat in free agency purgatory until well into the season.
Did you get that off Wikipedia? Because it is almost word for word. Did you know those 6 were on the 1926 team?
Any way, I understand your hatred for Kimbrel. The guy got a ring. Yanks didn’t. I don’t blame Chapman. That mighty Yankee “Murder’s Row” is to blame. And Kimbrel didn’t become a free agent at the wrong time. He’s making 16 mil a year on a team that won a championship this decade.
I am a fan of kimbrel but there is a difference in that Kimbrel was trending down toward the end of the year with the bosox and was not as dominant as he used to be where chapman was pretty much a guarantee even a little worse.
I don’t get how he was less dominant… unless you mean the one game where he gave up 4 runs in 1/3 of an inning against the Orioles. One game does not make a difference when the guy has pitched 10 years and has a lifetime era of 2.08. Has 346 career saves and strikes out 13 batters every 9 innings. He still saves 89% of his chances. Chapman 2.23 era with 273 saves in 10 years. Yet, mlbtr’s have completely different stories to tell.
Kimbrel should have taken the QO. Any reliever should take it when it’s offered.
Kimbrel wasn’t worth the 3/$43MM he got. Ask the Cubs. End of story.
Baseball Reference says he has
$34.4 million coming in the next two years. Did he get an upfront bonus when he signed?
This is why I can’t stand Yankee fans. You guys want to call this a stupid or dumb move to sign MLB’s best RP to a extension! All because you guys are more concerned about Strasburg and/or Cole being signed in pinstripes. Thank god the Yankees have a front office and ownership that is smarter than you knuckleheads.
Just because you fans are all about Cole or Strasburg, I really hope they sign elsewhere (maybe one in Boston) and Yankees are left without a ace type of pitcher. Yankee fans are the worst fans in baseball and pity any player who has to play for that fan base. Just imagine going into the season without Cole or Strasburg! I can’t wait to see how many of you throw temper tantrums over it and call the Front office pathetic or whatever. I love it when you guys squeal like a pig at a butcher shop.
Boston doesn’t have the payroll space/flexibility to add either Cole or Strasburg. Pity any player that has to play for that fan base? Hahaha, riiiight…
Every year on here Yankee fans show up demanding the team shell out more and more money to get at least a few of that years sexy free agents – discarding the sexy high priced players they gave long-term contracts to a few years earlier.
It’s understandable. While the Yankees have only missed the playoffs 3 times in 11 years, they last got to – and won – the WS in 2009.
But the game has changed. We’ve spun back to where managing and coaching has become more important then signing one or two hot players. Yankees are doing the right thing. For all the nonsense I had to read last winter about the overrated, narcissistic, me-first, ‘play hard when I feel like it’ Manny Machado being the savior at 3B, Gio Urshela showed up and had a better year for less then 1/10th the salary. And DJ LeMahieu not only had a better year then HOF Hot-Dog / Show-Off Bryce Harper, he played all over the infield at a gold glove level when he was needed – which was a major reason the Yankees overcame the most injuries I’ve seen a playoff team have in the last 30 years.
Yankees FO is doing the right thing and should be admired.
It’s not a dumb move but why so upset? SP is still priority number 1. Most smart fans understand that neither Cole nor Stars are likely to not sign with any new team until December or January. The front office can walk and chew gum at the same time.
With Boras and Cole, try February.
Your so worried about a number one pitcher but not a guy that can lock down the 8th and 9th innings when your starting pitcher 1 went 6 2/3 innings with a one run lead? You need a strong bullpen as you need strong SP. To extend Aroldis Chapman, is a very good move. Fans did the same to Rivera years ago and he was the best closer in the game for years. Like Rivera, Chapman seems to be expendable to Yankees fans. Sickening to be honest
$18 MM “extra” to the man that gave up the walk off season ending homer to Altuve.
LOL
And while you’re at it sign Cole and Strass too.
LOL
Maybe even MadBum too.
No need to draft when you can just buy it.
That’s the NYY way.
“That’s the NYY way”
Yea, only the Yankees spend money. No other team would ever do that. BooHoo, bad Yankees
So, using your asinine reasoning, the Yankees should have dumped Mariano Rivera. After all, he blew the save in the seventh game of the 2001 World Series…
I thought we NYY fans “demanded” performance?
Why are we paying these guys all this money to lose?
Who on earth would pay Chapman all that money other than NYY?
Tampa contended with the NYY for 1/3 of the payroll.
Doesn’t take a genius to figure out that what happened to the Red Sox and it’s need to “cut” payroll in 2020 will soon be happening to the NYY’s.
I want this team to win.
Not paint themselves into a financial corner with overpriced players.
If Tampa can do what they did with a fraction of the payroll then why can’t all the “genius’s in the NYY organization win with 3 times Tampa’s payroll?
And “soon” to be 4 time Tampa’s payroll.
Yeah yanks can’t tank it for 6 or 7 years like the Astros did so they can draft Bergman, Springer, Correa and the two wasted #1 overall picks wasted on Aikens and the other pitcher whose name escapes me.
Yanks almost never get to pick inside the top 5 or even top 10 because they are almost always trying to compete and end up with a minimum of 85 wins even in a bad season (by their standards). That’s exactly how Houston, the Royals and Cubs won there’s…….by tanking for 5 years or more.
The most lucrative contracts in baseball history, by total value:
1. Mike Trout, $426,500,000 (2019-30)
2. Bryce Harper, $330,000,000 (2019-31)
3. Giancarlo Stanton, $325,000,000 (2015-27)
4. Manny Machado, $300,000,000 (2019-28)
5. Alex Rodriguez, $275,000,000 (2008-17) *
6. Nolan Arenado, $260,000,000 (2019-26)
7. Alex Rodriguez, $252,000,000 (2001-10)
8. Miguel Cabrera, $248,000,000 (2016-23)
9. Albert Pujols, $240,000,000 (2012-21)
… Robinson Cano, $240,000,000 (2014-23)
11. Joey Votto, $225,000,000 (2014-23)
12. David Price, $217,000,000 (2016-22) *
13. Clayton Kershaw, $215,000,000 (2014-20)
ONLY 2 WS CHAMPIONSHIPS IN ALL THAT MONEY SPENT. *
WAS IT WORTH IT? LOL
Yes?
How exactly??
I received this information from an alien. As I told my husband, it was in the Paramus Holiday Inn, I was having a drink at the bar, alone, and this alien approached me. He started talking to me. He bought me a drink, and then I think he must have used some kind of a ray or a mind control device because he forced me to follow him to his room and that’s where he told me about the end of the world.
So your alien had a room at the Holiday Inn in Paramus?
Yanks hav Arod (who helped win in 2009) and Stanton who has been on the team for 2 years so far? What’s your point again?
What is ironic is that most of those deals were given by teams not even close to being WS contenders aside from the Dodgers and the Sox see the only team on that list that’s won anything.
And the Yanks haven’t painted themselves into any corner. WTH are you talking about?
Not sure you should be adding extensions up to make your point. Kinda dilutes I think.
SG. You have to discount ARod’s first deal and stop at when he opted out. Otherwise you’re counting some seasons twice.
It’s neither brilliant or stupid. It’s one less thing for the Yankees to worry about for the next couple of years. Did they pay retail? Yes, especially when throwing in the loss of a draft pick, but they didn’t get gouged.
well put
So that’s the NYY epitaph?
“AT LEAST WE DIDN’T GET GOUGED AS WE ONLY PAID RETAIL TO LOSE”?”
With an attitude like that they’ll go nowhere.
We gotta “demand” excellence as we’re paying “top” dollar for it. If players dog it and don’t perform with no consequences then where is the fear of losing and worse “where is the pride”?
Yanks didn’t lose a pick. They never had that pick so it’s not a loss. And as a yank fan I’d rather have Chap in 2020 than a late 1st round pick that might never mean anything.
How much money is enough, already. Half of it goes to taxes.
Yanks can easily handle one extra year at 18 mil given its resources. It should not make or break the team and should not kill the Hal/Cash budget per se’. Only time will tell.
Look at it this way- its about what happless makes and slightly less than elsbury. At least Chap contributes…..
It was wasted money not to let him walk, considering what they already spent last year. That money could’ve been used toward a Cole, or Strasburg. This winter has two of the FA type pitchers this team desperately needs, and again will fail to get. Watch the genius extend the often injured Paxton, and tell us that was their best option..in turn the fanboys will hail the prince for his brilliance. They’ll also re-sign Gardner, fail to get a LH impact bat, and the results might be missing the playoffs., but those turnstiles will ring lovely music to Hal’s ears.
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@Steven Chinwood
Dude…resigning Chapman has nothing to do with pursuing Cole or Stras and if the Cashman says it’s the case then we can have another discussion.
IT IS AMAZING that the narrative has become “The Yanks are cheap and don’t want to win”, especially after they acquired a guy making $325 mil two years ago, had a bullpen that earned about $50 mil and splurged on DJ when they had no idea where they would play him in spring training. You guys act as if 3 years was 3 decades of being mindful of trying to control the spending. Just amazing.
Also….”hey’ll also re-sign Gardner, fail to get a LH impact bat”
Need left-handed bat so release the left-handed bad that had 28 homers in 2019, the most of any Yankee on the team….add in the fact that he’s currently the only CF we have not on the IL and your point is even sillier.
By no means should it mean NOT pursuing another LH bat but considering we already have one in Gardner and a clear need in CF then it should be trying to add one more rather than get rid of one.
And I’m NOT an advocate of wanting to win on the cheap but I also can remember those years where we had aging players past their prime with contracts that were unmovable and offered no flexibility to infuse youth (or better players). Have we forgotten when the years we had Giambi, Arod, Jeter, Matsui, Sheffield, Posada, Abreu all on the same team in their mid to late 30s earning million dollar contracts in the 6 figures?
We might see it again if not careful.
Atleast this time they didn’t get to re sign him and acquire a generational talent in the process(Gleyber Torres)
Adding 1 year for Chapman was no real big deal for the Yankees. Not sure if he has a full no trade? Saying that I really didn’t want to resign him thinking he would want a new 5 year deal but at 3 years it’s no big deal.
Now let’s go get a starter and if possible ask Stanton to waive his no trade to go back to the west coast and send him on his way with money and a prospect if need be!!!
We don’t need an everyday DH at that price when we already have a roster full of them have Frazier, Sanchez, Andujar, and pretty much every first basemen not named DJ.
We need a high contact left handed bat to replace Stanton in the lineup.
Stanton is a very decent RF but in Left he looks lost. We have Judge and Stanton was honestly overkill.
When Ohtani decided on Anaheim it forced Cash to change directions and make a trade at the time that seemed too good to be true.
I didn’t like the trade then and I really can’t stand it now, 8 more years of Stanton clogging up the DH spot is not ideal.
I like the deal. I am afraid this keeps the Yankees from getting Cole as they are between 201-208m depending which site you look at for next year. George’s boys are definitely more adverse to going over the cap than dad was.
You’ve “identified” the problem perfectly.
They have no money to spend without penalty and or consequences.
They can’t dump Stanton or Ellsbury and they need SP’s.
If Tampa can do what they did with a fraction of the payroll then why can’t all the “genius’s in the NYY organization win with 3 times Tampa’s payroll?
The answer is they’re “not” genius’s and just throw money at the problem to appease the fans.
Boston just woke up and saw that and hired a Tampa assistant GM to head their baseball operations.
When will the NYY’s see that?
Hopefully before Boston goes by us for years to come.
What exactly did Tampa do other than secure a wild card and get knocked out in the first round? Stop it please. They won with a rag tag bunch of misfits that are likely not to repeat the same performance again. While THE PLAYERS chocked the front office put together back to back 100 win teams. That’s not good enough for NY as it’s all or nothing but I think it means we should’ve been good enough to win.
As the Royals demonstrated, you can win a WS with much less money. About once every 30 years. If you want to contend for it every single year, that takes real money. Red Sox kinda money.
Interesting double standard that nowhere do you see anything about Yankees/Chapman’s DV problem any more but the Astros and Asuna get hit by that almost daily.
Think the Astros problem is that the Osuna issue was piled on by a member of their staff not 2 weeks ago and directed towards women in clear earshot of many in the room…..Not a double standard at all.
Would you want it brought up constantly in your daily life? Where is the rehabilitation factor? Dave Chappelle truly puts this wokeness malarkey on its ear. It’s easy to be holier than though from your device.
*holier than thou
By most of the accounts I’ve heard, Chapman didn’t do anything to his wife. The issue was firing off his gun in his garage. DV is not one size fits all.
Chapman’s event was a couple years ago. What, you think it should be brought up every time his name is mentioned? On Red Sox fans do that, because they have the emotional IQ and sensitivityof a 9 year old. They’ll use domestic violence to make a joke for cripe’s sake.
Osuna’s event happened this year. Frankly, no one was talking about it anymore. Until Taubman brought it back up.
Good stuff. Add another top flight reliever and 1-2 starters and lets make 2020 our year.
Dumb..dumb…dumb. Why extend a fastball first reliever who’s already showing signs of decline? By his final yr he’ll be throwing 95 (maybe) and making 18 mil? That’s what happens when you have so much money that you don’t have to make smart decisions.
Great move by Cashman locking him up, he still throws 100 and uses his slider well, not going to get anyone better on the market. Yanks with him have one of the best relief cores. I would add Betances to the list of addisions if I were the Yanks. They were the best team if healthy last year, the won 100 plus games with everyone injured. Right now they are the best team on paper.
On paper doesn’t mean anything, as I am sure you are aware of. The Dodgers would also disagree with the ‘on paper’ aspect.
I feel like this money would have been better spent toward a top SP. Green, Holder, Ottavino, Britton, and Betances is a fine bullpen core. That core is better than most other bullpens in the league.
It doesn’t stop them from getting a top starting pitcher. The money was added to the back end. It’s an extension. A cost of living increase.
The only thing that will stop them from getting a top starter is Hal/Cashman. Are they ready to make another large 9-figure investment so soon after Stanton? Are they ready to live significantly north of $208MM as the Red Sox did to get their WS?
I was more so thinking that Chapman would have opted out if he didnt receive an extension. All of the money saved could have been put to better use, in my opinion.
The Yankees are such an easy read.
One extra for Chapman not a big deal.
They’re probably not get Cole or Strasbrugh.
Last time I check they lost in playoffs because of hitting not pitching.
it was both- read what zack/zak Britton said. In the 2 games the yanks won the SP went more than 5 innings. in the 4 they lost…
Yank prob is a so called genius who believes you build a champion with the Pen and Power bats. Works great in the summer against the dregs of the AL like Baltimore but not in October against the top flight teams.
Yep because they lost to the Twins.
I said top flight teams. Twins are hardly that.
The yanks will always be top 4, I’m talking about being 1.
Something cash has managed to do once in 15 years
The Twins are better than most of league!
“Brian Cashman has been General Manager of the New York Yankees since 1998. Under his leadership, the Yankees have won four World Series championships and six American League pennants.”
Oh! Forgot rebuilding the entire Organization while still remaining competitive.
Please try hard to support your Ridiculous narrative.
The first 3 WS Cashman had practically nothing to do with. After 2000 the spending got outrageous. They continually had the highest payroll in the sport. Since 2001 they’ve been beaten by 2 small market teams in the series, and in 2009 spent around 400 million to win 1 Championship. Any GM in any sport with the financial advantage the Yankees have had would of lost their job with that track record a long time ago.
Lmao
Lets forget the fact that he rebuilt the entire on the fly while still remaining competitive and cutting payroll!
Cashman is one of the best if not the best GMs in the game.
The end!
Were any of my points incorrect?
Yea just about all of them to be honest.
So go into detail where I was wrong, or did you just recently become a Yankees fan?
So who do we give credit to Gene Michael?
And if you’re going to play that game than you must think Cashman had total control of all decision making on the Yankees… lol
How long have YOU been a fan of a Steinbrenner owned team?
Yep 21 terrible years… lol
3 more and he will have longest run of any GM in horrible history of the Yankees.
Btw I been a Yankees fan since 1977.
So yea not recently
Cashman blamed the hitting because he failed to bolster the pitching at the trade deadline and no way would he take any responsibility for the results. Yeah the hitting was poor but better pitching could easily have made the difference. Cashman should have gotten a top starter and another solid reliever. Then they wouldn’t have lost home field advantage in September and they might have won the pennant if not the WS.
Yes because home field advantage was vital in these playoffs
Cashman blame the hitting because they didn’t hit.
It’s not hard dude just look at the facts.
they didn’t hit and that is correct. That doesn’t mean the SP is WS caliber and blameless…..
and no matter how you want to justify it, Cash is the one who assembled the team, its his job. The DBS was his doing.
I didn’t say he was a terrible GM, just that he is way over hyped and flawed. Let’s see how great he would be in San Diego.
I watched baseball for over 40 years I don’t recall any GM that rebuilt while still keeping a competitive team on field.
Add to that budget restraints and it being the Yankees.
He is completely under hyped.
We will never know how great he will be in San Diego because Hal isn’t stupid enough to let him go!
Lol
It’s amazing what people can’t or won’t see in these times.
Just amazing.
what is amazing is that you talk about budget constraints as if the Yanks are a measly team like san Diego or KC. Its as if 230 million isn’t enough for Cash because he’s so damn good and smart.
Mind you in the 15 years since cash has had control of this team he has spent how much more than everyone else and how won how many times?
I must also have missed the memo that said the Yankee goal was to finish in the top 6 every year and just make the playoffs.
Real Yankee fans want October parades more frequently than once every 15 years.
Over-hyped and flawed- The numbers prove it.,
Don’t use logic on bandwagoners my man.
i seriously don’t get it. I’m supposed to be satisfied losing in the playoffs every year and making excuses for the GM?
Cashman has a serious advantage over every single GM period. Both in the front and back office personnel and the on field/roster personnel.
yup he’s a genius though
Not a bandwagon fan a realist that takes into account that Hal restricts Cashman of that great advantage.
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How about you blame Hal since he is the one that controls that serious advantage.
The fact your entire argument is based on the one thing Cashman doesn’t have control of completely undermines it.
Also if you watch enough baseball you would realize it takes more than talent it takes luck. I lost count on how many things went right for those 90s teams.
You stay unsatisfied and ridiculously critical. I will enjoy the success.
Like I said amazing.. lol
Logic?.. lol..this guy talking about home field advantage when they took home field advantage than lost 2 out 3 at home.
sorry blaming Hal by saying Cash doesn’t have resources is weak and pathetic at best. yanks have spent 13 of the past 15 years with the leagues highest payroll and were 2nd and 3rd the other two years. yes, I guess Hal is a cheap detriment, not.
Your argument is total rubbish
Yep the same way that home field advantage was the issue when they actually had it.
When someone thinks like this it’s useless to argue.
Thanks for the discussion.
Real Yankee fans want to win every year and when the team doesn’t win are ready for the next season battle.
Wimps like IQIS, that steal part of other people’s posting names and all they do is whine.
So IQIS-it’s time to man up or move on.
I’m ready to battle for next year and am ready for any of your idiotic comments. being an insecure turd who has no fact and instead makes moronic statements about wives beating posters has earned you the beat down you deserve and gets you the title of biggest loser.
You were the one who boasted we’d beat the stros and would win the WS, right? and anyone who questioned otherwise was treated to a child like insult. So shockingly given your overall lack of any knowledge of anything you were easily proven wrong.
keep it up loser
Smart move. as it keeps the strength of their team intact and all it costs the Yankees is money and not even prohibitive money in either amount or length.
The Yankees have a financial advantage over most of the teams in baseball and to not use it retain a solid asset like Chapman,especially when the team is competitive, would be just plain dumb.
Yankees organization and its mybrid fans do not care if you fire a gun 8 ROUNDS no less at a party with friends. Your ability, not your actions dictate our gratitude towards you. I wonder how Roger Maris felt about the Yankees and its fans after he made headlines for ability!
So your answer is don’t let him play baseball ever again? I’m very serious about DV but I never shut the door on someone unless they’ve shown no ability to reform. Plus, he fired into an empty garage, not at his girlfriend or into a room full of people, as you suggest.
You’re just trying to shut Chapman out because you don’t like the Yankees. You just grab every chance you get to slam the Yankees, like every other 9-year-old-brained Red Sox fan. This is about Yankee hate, not Chapman. Grow up.