“The Rays were focused on” super-utilityman Jeff McNeil in trade talks with the Mets last offseason, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports. McNeil’s multi-position ability and pre-arbitration salary status make him an ideal target for the Rays, making Sherman wonder if Tampa Bay could again target McNeil this winter, though the Mets’ asking price has surely gone up in the wake of McNeil’s outstanding 2019 season. Sherman’s piece floats some potential trades to help the Mets address their center field need, including his speculative suggestion of a Kevin Kiermaier/Yonny Chirinos for McNeil swap. The Rays would get their desired “low-cost Swiss Army Knife” of a player and also get Kiermaier’s contract off the books, with Chirinos involved to add a young arm to New York’s rotation and entice the Mets to swallow Kiermaier’s $36MM in remaining salary. Sherman looks further within the AL East to cite the Red Sox as another possible trade partners for the center field-needy Mets, as Jackie Bradley Jr. could be available, or there’s always the “pipedream” of a one-for-one swap of Mookie Betts for Noah Syndergaard.
More from around the East…
- The Yankees decided against issuing a one-year, $17.8MM qualifying offer to Didi Gregorius, leaving SNY.tv’s Andy Martino wondering if the shortstop’s days in the Bronx could be over. One industry source describes the chances of Gregorius returning to New York in 2020 as “a very close call,” especially since Martino notes that Gregorius and his representatives believe they can find a multi-year deal in free agency. Even after an injury-shortened down year, Gregorius is still the best shortstop option on the free agent market; MLBTR ranked him 12th on our list of the winter’s top 50 free agents and predicted he’d land a three-year, $42MM contract. It’s worth noting that this deal would work out to less in average annual value than the one-year cost of the QO, so it isn’t out of the question that the Yankees could still try to bring back Gregorius for multiple years, though at a smaller hit to their 2020 luxury tax number.
- Blue Jays president/CEO Mark Shapiro discussed Vladimir Guerrero Jr.’s offseason training regiment, baseball labor relations, and some hot stove business amidst a variety of topics in a radio interview with The Fan 590’s Scott MacArthur, Ashley Docking, and Mike Zigomanis (audio link). The Blue Jays are known to be looking for pitching this winter, with Shapiro saying “we’re going to have to be aggressive on every level of the free agent starting pitcher landscape.” This could mean at least checking into the top-tier names on the pitching market, though given Shapiro also noted that “if you look at the history of free agent pitching contracts, it is a really, really, really high-risk area to play in.” All things considered, the odds seem to be against Toronto landing an elite arm like Gerrit Cole at this point in their rebuilding process. “Dollars are not going to be our challenge, which hasn’t always been the case,” Shapiro said. “It’s going to be where we fit with Gerrit’s alignment of interests…same thing with every free agent we pursue. What I am confident is, that throughout the free agency process we’ll be able to get better this winter, and we’ll have the resources to do it.”
- There have been rumors about a possible extension between Shapiro and the Blue Jays since 2020 is the last year of the CEO’s deal, though he didn’t give any new details on that front. Shapiro did reiterate his desire to stay in Toronto and “I’ve received nothing but positive feedback from the people that I report to about wanting me to remain here.”
pasha2k
Mookie to the Mets for Syndergasd? Never would happen.
delete
I think that’s why they called it a pipe dream in the very same sentence
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
It won’t happen because of years of control? Mookie 1 versus Thor 3? So the Mets would not do it or the Red Sox would not do it? Thank you.
delete
Correct, the Red Sox would need to send a lot more.
wordonthestreet
I believe Thor has two years of control left
jvent
And take Cano lol
JoeBrady
the Red Sox would need to send a lot more.
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Not that close. Both BR and Cots says Syndergaard has only 2 years left.
If that wasn’t enough, Thor had a FIP of 3.60 and an ERA+ of 95. He should be better than that, but you have to include the actuals as well as the theoretical.
Still, a pretty good fit on both sides.
Cooperdooper7
No, the Mets would also have to include at least Conforto AND More— and I still wouldn’t do it.
Toksoon
Yea right it’s the other way around the Mets would need to send way more , Thor’s had some health issue and betts is a superstar everyday player
bad bruce
@cooperdooper – I would agree to the Mets needing to send more over if they can lock him into a deal. Being that Betts already said he wants to test the FA Thor for Betts with no deal is a no brainer.
pasha2k
The Mets would need to send back a lot more for Mookie!
pasha2k
Like Degrom!
DSB Police
That is just a ridiculous statement.
MetsFanaticDanny
Agreed!!! The only way the Red Sox would get DeGrom is if they trade Betts, Devers, Benintendi & like their Top 3 prospects. DeGrom is indispensable and NO TEAM could ever offer the Mets fair value.
User 4245925809
Pure fantasy. Why Mets always lose on everything thinking like that.. Boston would NEVER trade Betts for the *3rd* SP averaging over 30m annually to begin with long term and yet another front end arm at that to go with Ace Chris Sale and 2-3SP David Price.. No need at all.
Betts might be moved, yes, but not for high dollar SP. Maybe for controllable SP and other pieces, so keep your indignation and constant 2nd place to the NYY in ur home town each and every season disgust to ur self.
Toksoon
Lol that’s funny 3 stars for a pitcher that’s had health issues – heck just look at the war of the 3 players u mentioned
MetsFanaticDanny
@johnsilver Bro, not sure if you’ve been watching baseball lately but Price is done. EXTREMELY overpaid for a pitcher that can’t stay healthy and when he does pitch, pitches like a #5 SP. That’s funny dude, thanks for the laugh. DeGrom is two times better then Sale & Price put together.
fits65
Hey Danny Bro-Wilpon can’t pass up a deal. If son pay 1/2 salary Fred can make a fortune collecting the insurance money.
Scamming profits over successful season. This is the Mets way!
CubsRebsSaints
Did you not just read the years of control? Betts is a better player right now. But young(I cant stress that enough) pitchers who throw at least 98 mph into the 7th and 8th inning, don’t grow on trees. His upside and extra control give him more value. His position does also.
JoeBrady
Syndegaard only threw into the 8th 3x last year. His IP/GS are only 6.18. That’s above-average, but not a needle-mover.
didi gregorious nose
And his low salary appeals the red sox
wordonthestreet
Mookie would not even land Thor straight up let alone Thor plus more
mohoney
Unless Syndergaard is hell-bent on getting out of New York for some reason…
wordonthestreet
Mohoney that may be true but I am not sure what Syndergaard could do about it though since he is under contract. Though he may welcome the move. You could be right about that.
jvent
For 1 year of Betts lol
Yankee Mike
The Mets would have to give up a lot more than Syndergard. The Mets think he is a Cole and so far he has been more like a 3.
JoeBrady
The NYMs have are gonzo. I’m not sure they even know Syndergaard’s stats.
MarlinsFanBase
Most overrated pitching staff in MLB and probably in MLB over the last 40 years. We keep hearing about how elite it is, but the production has not been anywhere close to the hype – just a bunch of excuses from their writers and fans.
Anyone disagrees, just look at the pitching staffs that have been more productive during their time and the many many many many pitching staffs that have been better over the last few decades, who have not received this much hype. Just a bunch of guys who, at best, pitch well for 5 or 6 innings before needing to come out.
didi gregorious nose
It looks a lot better then the marlins. Mets owner suck that’s why they havent won not the pitching
portopotti
Good call. deGrom winning the CY last year and in discussions this year just shows how terrible the staff is.
MetsFanaticDanny
@MarlinsFansBase This coming from a Marlins fan, haha!!! Talk about a team that has no idea what it’s doing. Enjoy being at the basement of the NL for at least the next decade.
MarlinsFanBase
One guy doesn’t make a staff. Ask Nolan Ryan, Pedro Martinez, etc.
MarlinsFanBase
@MetsFanaticDanny This coming from a Mets fan? Hahaha!
Last Championship by NL East team
2019 – Nats
2008 – Phillies
2003 – Marlins
1997 – Marlins
1996 – Braves
1986 – Mets
Enjoy your championship drought…longest in the NL East.
MarlinsFanBase
oops…Typo…Braves won in 1995, not 1996.
portopotti
Your comment was an overrated staff with not even being close to the hype.. One of those pitchers, on that overrated staff was voted last year as the top pitcher in the NL and has been included as one of the top 3 this year.. So at least one of those pitchers in your eyes is “worth the hype”.
If you’re suggesting Syndergaard is over-rated I’d agree. He’s shown flashes but hasn’t been able to put it all together. Wheeler has been good the past 1.5-2 years and Matz has been a serviceable 4.
portopotti
So the marlins haven’t been relevant in 16 years and have the second longest post=season drought (behind the Mariners) but it’s the Mets and the world series (which they were only in 4 years ago) that you want to focus on?
Enjoy the Marlins.
MarlinsFanBase
The Mets staff is talked about like it’s the best in MLB or elite. Elite is not one guy and 4 others.
deGrom has proven it. The rest have not.
You admit Syndergaard is overrated.
Matz being “serviceable 4” does not make you an elite staff. It also shows how he’s overrated.
Wheeler has never shown a full season of anything more than a supporting cast guy. Someone will be overpaying for that this winter.
Stroman is new, so he wasn’t part of the past overratedness, but he’s overrated in his own right.
Then we come to the disaster that’s gone – Matt Harvey.
Yes, it’s an overrated staff. In fact, you take deGrom out of the equation, and they’re near one of the worst in all of MLB.
Again, one guy does not make your staff elite or one of the best like the NY media has made them out to be over the years.
MarlinsFanBase
If you don’t win a championship, you are forgotten. Nobody celebrates being 2nd best any more than they celebrate being 30th best.
But of course, fans of a team that hasn’t won in a long long time wouldn’t understand that because you have to hold onto anything that you can. It’s what Mets, Jets, and Knicks fans do. It’s just like our Dolphins fans in Miami who talk about the undefeated season.
Enjoy Keith Hernandez, Darryl Strawberry, Dwight Gooden, etc. along with Joe Namath, and Willis Reed.
MoRivera 1999
I don’t know but I wouldn’t be thumping my chest about winning 16 years ago. It’s just weird.
MarlinsFanBase
I’m not thumping my chest. It’s just that Mets fans talk like their team is the freakin Yankees, but they’re just another franchise that would be a footnote if they weren’t in NY. And right now, as they keep trying to talk about how great their franchise and team is, all of the rest of us fans of the other NL East teams will gladly remind them that they have the longest championship drought in the NL East. Until that changes, that fan base should not be seeking spotlight, talking like they’re elite, or bashing on any other NL East franchise.
What’s weird is being a Mets fan, but talk like their team has Yankees success…or even the championship success of so many other teams.
And you talk about it’s weird thumping a chest about a championship 16 years ago. What do you call it with Mets fans that still celebrate 1986? Or the ones that celebrated 1969 until they won in 1986? Both of those totals are longer than 16 years.
bad bruce
The Marlins are almost as pathetic as the Marlins Fan Base guy who goes out of his way to comment anti Mets post on every article.
MarlinsFanBase
Yep…ahem…1986
bad bruce
You commenting the last time the Mets won is like a Yankees fan blabbering about their number of titles.
Do you just hit refresh on this and look to debate? Mets have been way more relevant than the Marlins ever have been, including both times they won.
ahem 0 division titles.
MarlinsFanBase
Take the Mets out of NY, they become just another franchise. They’re all media hype and a constant train-wreck on display. That’s their only relevance. Success-wise, they have been matched by how many expansion teams in far less years of existence (Blue Jays, Royals, Marlins)? Take them out of NY, and they are a footnote.
Oh yeah, and based on your comments about me mentioning the last time the Mets won is interesting. I guess you Mets fans don’t ever still celebrate 1986? Considering how mentally lost Keith Hernandez is, it makes one wonder how he is still employed or why Mets fans still ask for the drunkard Wally Backman as manager if it’s not because of 1986.
MetsFanaticDanny
MarlinsFanBase has proven only one thing, that he’s a pathetic loser that tries to deal with his crappy teams lack of human interest by following & trolling fans of another team that may not be winning championships but are FAR MORE entertaining than the Marlins will ever be. Get a life loser, wouldn’t be surprised if you were still living at home with mommy, a virgin & have zero friends. Enjoy trolling loser because that’s all you will accomplish in life, which is showing others how small your “ego” is.
fits65
Haha! From a Mets fan! Whoh Bro Danny. Who was the last team to win a WS?
Mets or Marlins?
Oh no. Mr. Bill has returned from SNL. His new name is Danny!
fits65
Take it easy on Danny. He’s fragile. All Mets fan are. They get excited this time of year and shoot off their mouth.
My the first week in May they are silent and hiding.
fits65
Good point marlin. You can expect deGrom to sit on the IL this year. Law of averages with the Mets is about to smack their fans in the face.
Wheeler is gone. Noah is a head case who loves his mini vaca’s
redsfan48
Obviously not happening because of Thor’s extra control. But here’s a thought, I wonder if either team would have interest in a larger trade like the following:
Thor, Amed Rosario and a prospect
for
Mookie, Bogaerts, Price/Eovaldi
Mets upgrade SS and OF, Sox significantly upgrade rotation and get a nice prospect for the future and shed the contract of Price or Eovaldi, in addition to the savings from Betts/Bogaerts
jvent
No one wants Price and his 3/96 mil contract with Betts that’s $60 between the 2 even if that was offered the Mets wouldn’t do it
Vandals Took The Handles
The Mets payroll is already maxed out, yet Sherman keeps proposing these trades whereby the Mets take on additional salaries.
Syndergard is due around $10m this year. Betts is projected at being somewhere in the $30m range.
Where do the Mets come up with $20m additional dollars?
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As for McNeil – along with deGrom and Alonzo, he’s the face of the Mets going forward. Furthermore, he’s under control and inexpensive. So they’re supposed to take on Kiermaier’s larger salary to get a CF that they need as well as a young pitcher? Where does the money come from?
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Hats off to Joel Sherman for trying to drum up interest in the off-season with impractical rumors.
JoeBrady
Nope, not imo. I figure that Betts’ excess value offsets Price’s negative value. And you would get Bogaerts for Rosario+.
JoeBrady
* not get Bogaerts
nymetsking
Betts’ one year of decent but not great value would be lost with Price’s three years of gross over pay.
Cooperdooper7
Seriously— that is trash— keep dreaming
DSB Police
The Mets would not take on that much more payroll.
Toksoon
Say no to crack , put down the pipe
jvent
Unless the Red Sox take Cano with Syndergaard and Betts signs an extension that’s the only way Syndergaard gets traded anywhere
MoRivera 1999
Betts is not signing an extension. Nobody should ever even mention it.
RaeRae
The Mets do not have enough starters to trade Syndergaard. Plus Betts becomes a free agent after 2021 so there is no way the Mets are trading Thor to the Sox’s for Betts. The Mets will be looking for a starting pitcher to round out their 2020 rotation so trading Syndergaard or any other starter makes no sense. Brodie Van Knucklehead can’t be that stupid like he was last year when he traded for Diaz and Cano? Rumors has it that he is looking to trade McNeil for a CFer.? Unless that CFer is a younger reincarnation of Carlos Beltran the Mets need to hold on to their starters because it is very murky if David Peterson or Jordan Humphreys will be ready by 2020 to become part of the starting staff? The Rays have offered Kevin Keirmeir who hit 232 last year, and a guy named Yonny Hernandez who had a 6.56 ERA. in 2019. Carlos Beltran has to step in without insulting Van Knucklehead’s intelligence which is really easy to do, and get him to stop making very dumb dirty monkey’s rear end trades where the Mets give away great players while getting nothing good in return. Just look at what he gave up to get Diaz and Cano. Brodie is not a GM the Mets should have ever hired but here we are ‘stuck in the middle with you.” I could see trading Dom Smith or even JD Davis but trading McNeil is a senseless and asinine move which I am sure Blockhead Brodie is contemplating. If he trades McNeil and gets nothing in return Fred and Jeff should immediately fire him, and hire an interim GM instead.
bjupton100
JBJ, and Rodriguez for McNeil. KK stays and hits all year ending with 30 steals and 20 hr’s. Rays trade Yarborough a rp ( Drake, Castillo etc .), a couple ready/near ready “prospects” De Leon/etc and an infielder Duffy/Brossauo/Wendle for one player or even better one prospect.
User 4245925809
ERod isn’t going anywhere.. Period..
mlbtrrtblm
Neither is McNeil. Exclamation point.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
It’s weird that you didn’t put an exclamation point after Exclamation point.
nymetsking
lol
hiflew
It’s also weird that the other guy put two periods before and two periods after the word period.
cspaced25 2
Oh So you must be Chaim Bloom?
rocky7
You probably said the exact same thing about Porcello after 2018 and now in 2019 can’t run him out of town quickly enough to satisfy Red Sox Nation……
rct
KK’s career highs are 15 HR and 21 steals and he hasn’t played a full season in several years. Keep dreaming.
myaccount
15 HR in 98 games. He is capable of 20… if healthy.
rct
That’s why I mentioned that he hasn’t played a full season in years. Gotta play to put up numbers.
bklynny67
Awful trade for the Mets. McNeil is worth more than Erod and JBJ sucks.
SuperSinker
Tough but fair
JoeBrady
As others have mentioned, none of the trade proposals by Sherman make much sense.
McNeil & Syndergaard are probably more valuable to the NYMs than to other teams. they are probably already under the gun to re-sign Wheeler, so why make two openings in the rotation?
Betts is more valuable than Syndergaard, and probably more valuable to the RS in exchange for prospects & a middling RF. And we need another SP, but imo, it doesn’t have to be a #2.
The NYMs need a CF, but they might be better off going for a cheaper option. A guy like JBJ might be available for very little more than salary relief.
MoRivera 1999
Sorry, 1 year of Betts is not worth more than 2 years of Syndergard. Let’s not forget that Betts is going to cost considerably more for that 1 year. That equation is pretty much straight up.
MoRivera 1999
“A guy like JBJ might be available for little more than salary relief,”
JBJ isn’t even worth his salary, Why would anyone give a little more?
JoeBrady
JBJ isn’t even worth his salary, Why would anyone give a little more?
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He has value. The funny part is that the article started off suggesting kiermeier trade to the NYMs. Do you know who has an identical fWAR as Kiermeier over the past three years? JBJ.
jvent
McNeil,Alonso and deGrom aren’t going anywhere
wedgeant27
You leave our Squirrel alone.
phamdownbytheriver
The Rays would be selling low on KK and the Mets would be selling high on McNeil. Don’t see that happening.
rct
Exactly. It’s just Sherman cranking out useless trade speculation like he’s done for the last 20 years. McNeil had a better season than both of those players combined and he’s making peanuts for at least two more years. Not a chance on earth they’d even consider trading him for a weak return like that.
mlbtrrtblm
There’s a solid chance that this is who Kiermaier is, and Tampa would be lucky to get out from under his contract. And the Mets would be absolutely foolish to trade McNeil, especially for Kiermaier.
SuperSinker
Kiermaier could play ~80 games a year and that contract would still be worth it. He’s very good.
jvent
If he’s that good just keep him lol
rocky7
Lots of very good center fielders around the league so KK isn’t that special when you compare him to others…plus, he’s not an offensive force, plus he has trouble staying on the field for 162 games.
myaccount
Kiermaier put up 3.3 WAR over 98 games in 2017 and 1.6 WAR over 88 games in 2018. Last year was an injury-ravaged down year and he still put up 1.5 WAR over 129 games. He’s not bad and it’s not a contract they have to escape. He provides elite defense and great baserunning.
TheTrotsky
So he put up 3.3 WAR in 98 games in 2017 and a combined 3.1 WAR over 217 games the next two seasons and you think that’s good?
mohoney
We don’t really know what contracts they have to escape. They had to cut useful players like Cron and Dickerson for monetary reasons, Kiermaier may be a continuation of that.
rocky7
And average at best offense….a Jackie Bradley clone? Mets fans should say no thanks! and that 98 games in 2017, 88 games in 2018, followed by 129 in 2019 is exactly another reason to say no
myaccount
It’s convenient how you leave out the part about how in 2019 he was injury-plagued, Trotsky. And also ignore that 1.5 WAR over 98 games was an isolated season, which is absolutely good. He had a down 2019, he’s still solid
myaccount
Lol not even close. KK is light years better than Bradley, both defensively and offensively.
mlbtrrtblm
Sherman does this all the time. His trade ideas are always ridiculous. But McNeil for Kiermaier (even with an arm thrown in) is just silly..
king beas
He hates the Mets it’s obvious
Larry David's Joe Pepitone Jersey
I have a hard time imagining the Mets giving up a valuable piece like Syndergaard or McNeil while also taking on salary. The most realistic possibility from Sherman’s article is for them to find a RH hitting counterpart to Nimmo who plays good defense. For what it’s worth, I do think Nimmo can be a productive starter, even if sticking with him obviously reads as a cheap Mets move.
spinach
His name is Rajai Davis.
coldbeer
Mets are going to take on a bad contract and give up a very productive, cheap utility man for the lure of Chirinos? Give me a break.
If they are going to spend it should be on Rendon. I’ll say it again!!
PiratesFan1981
But doesn’t Toronto need pitching?
Wilford Brimley
That’s why just about anybody in this comment section could be a baseball “writer”. You just end up writing your own opinions or recycling rumors you read on Twitter or elsewhere. It’s just luck of the draw for the ones that end up doing it, including on this site.
Write a crazy article with a crazy idea that will never happen — “Will The Angels Listen On Trout?” and get tons of clicks, shares, and comments about how stupid it is.
And you win.
CL1NT
Sounds like someone is an aspiring writer who has been rejected one too many times…
jvent
The Mets aren’t taking any bad contracts back unless it’s Canó& Familia going the other way. Rendon,Cole or Strasburg would be the only players they should spend $$ on but as a Mets fan I know they won’t
MarlinsFanBase
You also have Cespedes’ bad contract.
Vandals Took The Handles
…and Ramos and Lowrie’s.
LOL
nymetsking
Ramos’ contract isn’t bad. He’s just not a fit. $10m/1 world’s would appeal to a number of AL teams. Wouldn’t be much of a return, but it’s not some immovable object like the others mentioned.
nymetsking
* remove “world’s.” Dumb “smartphone.”
Down with OBP
Mets GM got lucky it sounds. Got the call from Tampa and was like “hmmm…if they like McNeill then we should keep him!”
SuperSinker
Apparently that happens a lot. I’ve read several different insiders comment saying basically if Tampa wants one of their guys they try and figure out why.
MrMet33
Haha haha – McNeil isn’t going anywhere. Also – if the Mets did deal him – that garbage won’t get it done. Try Honeywell and Roberto Hernandez.
DTD_ATL
As bad as you think the writer’s scenario is, your’s is way, way worse. McNeil would have to be only a small part of the offer to get someone like Honeywell.
mlb1225
I feel like the Rays would have to also include someone maybe like Brujan or Libretore to get it done. I don’t know if the Mets would want just Kiermaier and Chirinos.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
I just asked Mr. Met and he said no.
king beas
You think the Mets would want something more than a contract they want to dump for an all star?
Cam
The Blue Jays should start with making Vlad put the knife and fork down, and go do some cardio. Not so long ago, he openly said he had never been inside a gym – which sounds shocking, until you watch him try and move in the field. His 250lb listed weight is an out-and-out lie, and pretending it’s baby weight only enables him further.
firegibby
He’s working out now. Give the kid a chance geez
its_happening
He has 3 months. Then we can talk.
jdgoat
He also said that he didn’t really mean that. I’m pretty sure he said a day or two later that he’s never devoted an entire offseason to training and working out.
Alfred E Neuman
It’s a training REGIMEN, not a REGIMENT. Have writers really become that dumbed down?
CL1NT
It’s ONE mistake and not A BIG DEAL, since we ALL KNOW what he meant. Does a person really get off by correcting a writer’s article? Especially when that person is directly contributing to that writer’s income by doing such a thing…?
It always confuses me when this happens…
retire21
What, you worry?
kevnames42
That would be a terrible trade for the Mets. McNeil has proven that he’s no fluke, Chirinos hasn’t and Kiermaier is a bust. Gotta throw in another piece if the Rays wanted to
king beas
Can Joel Sherman stop writing for the Mets. Everything that isn’t a “pipe dream” to him is an awful deal for the Mets. If they flip diaz for Hernandez and stripling good luck not being fired Brodie
jimmertee
Shapiro should be given the boot. If that audio link is listened too, he repeats his fears of signing free agent pitchers. He has said this at least 3 times that I have heard over time. And he is terrible at it. He says, “not enough information” Baloney. Not enough true scouting talent is the real issue. By the way he fired the scout that insisted the Jays draft Bichette.. huh?
He admits he prefers to sign and develop players. That’s his bag, he is good at it. But don’t give him authority over free agents at the major league level. Make Shapiro the director of player development, not Pres and CEO. Let’s sign Mat Latos again, or Garcia, or, or, or….
osonvs
Big words coming from a guy who said Bichette wasn’t the real deal
its_happening
Jimmer didn’t fire the scout, did he?
Truth is, take out the Sabathia and Colon trades and how much development was done during Shapiro’s time in Cleveland? What was the biggest weakness prior to 2016 for the Indians? Pitching. Kluber, another trade, was a late-bloomer. The notion that Shapiro-led organizations have drafted well is a misnomer.
elgranrojo44
This is the biggest waste of thread I’ve seen in a long while… McNeil was our best all around hitter this year… FFS this writers reaching
angt222
The proposed McNeil trade is also a pipe dream. I think the Mets would play McNeil in CF before trading him to TB and inheriting the $35M left on the injury prone Kiermaier’s contract
SalaryCapMyth
I’m a Braves saying that the Mets qould be crazy to trade McNeil unless someone offers them something really crazy. He give the Mets immense depth and flexibility. Being able to fill several positions and still have a potent bat is incredibly valuable.
southpaw2153
Kiermaier is an overrated scrub. And I’m tired of hearing he’s multiple times better than every other outfielder. No, he’s not. Does anybody ever watch a game these days, or just burp up stats off of whatever sabr site is in for the week? Smh
its_happening
^Yep.
DarkSide830
KK is just a slightly better hitting JBJ. both are overrated.
Roasted DNA
Sounds like somebody has a case of the Mondays.
jbigz12
Idk what stat would tell you Kevin Kiermaier’s been great. He’s been a below average CF the last 2 seasons when you factor in the offense. Defensively he’s really good and he can swipe some bags. I certainly don’t think his contract is unmovable given the state of the CF position around the league but he’s not getting McNeil back w Chirinos. That’s ludicrous.
Melchez
Mets would demand they include Longoria. Then they realized he no longer plays for the rays.
DarkSide830
lets face it, the Mets probably were not trading McNeil last offseason and certainly arent now, especially not for Tampa’s spare parts (albiet good spare parts)
Roasted DNA
Neil Huntington would make this trade.
kahnkobra
a bloated contract and a 25 yr old so so pitcher for McNeil? please
dimelotitony
With players like Jeff McNeil was this year an abberation or would he continue to rake is the question the Mets will have to ask themselves during the Winter Meetings can they cash in high on a player that was not expected to produce let alone make the All-Star especially with everyone knowing that the ball was juiced this year so a lot of these players that came out of nowhere hitting 20+ HR’s and high averages because the ball had more zip to it expect a significant drop off all around and this is where it gets tough for these Gm’s do you plan around players like this that came out of nowhere or do you cash in while his value is high?
As for Vlad Jr eventually Toronto will have to move him from 3rd Base his overall body screams 1B or DH he is like his dad in that Vlad Sr’s Mother travels with him and cooks for him home cook dominican plates and being that I’m dominican there is no way he will get away from eating Arroz (rice),Pollo (chicken) y habichuela (beans) that is our dish and its on the table 3x a week because it is the most economical and fastest to cook and make dinner.
Matt Tobin
“Sherman’s piece floats some potential trades to help the Mets address their center field need, including his speculative suggestion of a Kevin Kiermaier/Yonny Chirinos for McNeil swap”
What is Sherman smoking?
Jeff McNeil was #39 on Fangraph’s trade value series. The closest pitcher on the list is Brandon Woodruff at #41 and Mike Soroka at #42. Luis Castillo is #50…. Chirinos wasn’t even in the honorable mentions and was only a 40 FV prospect with meh numbers.
You wouldn’t even THINK about McNeil-Chirinos straight up. Never mind with Kiermaier involved.
If I am the Mets I am looking for a pitcher like Castillo, Giolito, Clevinger, Marquez, Montas..etc on the very high end. Or Boyd, E-Rod, Urias..etc on the low end.
fitsiqis65
why would the mets need to trade for a CF when a great one, comfortable in NY is available as a FA?
It’s the mets so there is no reason to fret about post season performance anyway.
It’s the mets who don’t spend what the Yanks do, and this FA CF won’t cost nearly as much as most…..
jbigz12
I don’t think 3/35 for Kiermaier is unmovable given the state of the CF position. A guy with an elite glove has value. I don’t think he has any surplus value on that deal but I don’t think they can’t find a team to take it on.
That proposed trade above is ridiculous. That deal might’ve been considered last season when no one knew if McNeil was a flash in the pan or not. Certainly not now.
wordonthestreet
Jbigz I agree with you. It seems a bit light for McNeil at this point. I think many teams would be interested at that price.
jbigz12
Yeah certainly not. Last season I think that trade was within the realm of possibilities. Kiermaier was a season removed from being one of the best CF’s in the game. McNeil was an unknown unheralded prospect w 2 months of ML experience. The Mets also had about 15 infielders at that point. But it just doesn’t make a shred of sense now.
MarlinsFanBase
Haha…Sherman shows how lousy NY beat writers are as they throw BS all over the place to keep themselves employed.
And to think that the Wilpons’ annual goal is to make moves to grab headline opportunities from these clowns. Any questions why the Mets continue to make bonehead moves? If so, it’s because you have ownership looking to impress windbags who have zero care in the world about what is logical as long as they keep selling articles and ads on their company websites.
G Vanlue
I know we’re all hungry for content, but Sherman’s column contained basically zero reporting, just a bunch of Fansided-quality trade suggestions. Why did MLBTR choose to amplify it here?
Mario93
As great as Thor is.. Mookie Betts at his best is one of the top 3-5 baseball players in the world. If im the Red Sox, I say heck no to that deal.
G Vanlue
It’s rarely just about who is the better player, though. Syndergaard has two years of control, versus only 1 for Betts. He’s projected to make maybe $10M in arbitration, vs. $27M (!) for Betts. So, two years of Syndergaard will probably cost less than 1 year of Betts. Over the course of two seasons, you could probably expect Syndergaard to produce anywhere from 7-10WAR, with a floor of probably around 5, and a ceiling as high as 13-14. I think you could easily argue the upside of 2 years of Syndergaard is worth more than the upside of 1 year of Betts, and provides the team with more year-to-year budget room. It wouldn’t be a terribly deal for the Red Sox, I don’t think.
Mario93
I get your point.. but these guys will get paid either way. If your objective is to win, which should be for every ball club, then I’m not sure comparing one to two years of control should be the deciding factor. Both guys will get paid fairly soon. I feel if the Red Sox have issues against their budget, they should look to move plenty of guys before thinking about moving one of the best players in the game in Betts. They have a lot of players on that team making a lot of money, a couple of trades later and the Red Sox could be out of their financial whole they dug themselves in. But trading Mookie in my opinion is the type of move they’d definitely regret down the line, seeing him compete for mvp’s in a different uniform. Red Sox have to get this right… All the overpaid guys on that team, but trade the one guy who’d probably worth the contract he’s going to be getting? Doesn’t make much sense to me. If any .. They can package prospects with guys to get rid of those contracts, trading Betts isn’t mandatory if they have competent people working in that front office.
Mario93
I think the Red Sox could move Price and Bradley Jr. Two of them combined make 40 million a year. JD Martinez is a very moveable contract as well. I can see if the Red Sox are that hamstrung financially to have to move Betts, but I’d be asking for more then just Syndergaard. Just doesn’t make much sense to me.. Betts is still young enough for another rebuild with guys like Benintendi and Boegarts still there. I wouldnt touch the younger core of this team. I’d exhaust all other options before moving Betts. That’s just me though.. we’ll see what comes of it.
Mario93
And the Eovaldi deal was an awful contract. He’s pitched under a 4 era something like 2x in his career.. Injury history an all. But for one post season run, Dombrowski gives him 17 a year over 4 years. Was never a fan of Eovaldi, dont care how much he helped win a World Series.. It was an awful contract then, and a certainly one now. Chris Sale could be a moveable contract if he bounces back next season, I definitely can see that. They make a couple smart moves, hope for bounce back seasons from a couple of guys, and they can be out of their financially issues in a hurry.
Louiebeans
Sign
Jose Abreu 1b
Anthony Rendon 3b
DJ 2b
Torres SS
Let didi go
Package Andjuar n Frazier for a SP
Offer
Cole
Bum
Wheller
Hamels
Contract offers
nymetsking
Is that all?
Phiilies2020
How about this for a pipe dream: Odubel Herrera, Nick Williams & Adonis Medina for Mookie Betts & David Price? The Phils eat most of Price’s salary which convinces the BoSox to take less talent for Betts from the Phillies rather than their other offers
JoeBrady
I’d say no, because the RS need not eat that much salary. I’d prefer the RS to eat more of Price’s salary in exchange for better prospects.
BTW, what ever happened to Medina? He regressed badly last year?
Phiilies2020
AA can be a big jump. Medina has a live arm but he’s still learning how to “pitch”. I think the Phils should use him as trade chip this offseason to acquire an impact player. They are in win now mode
MetsFanaticDanny
The ONLY way the Mets even entertain trading McNeil after his monster season is if the negotiations start with a package like Kiermaier, Nick Anderson & Colin Poche or maybe even a Kiermaier/Glasnow package. Otherwise, move on TB.
Coal tender
Texas should sign Gregorius and give Elvis Andrus a run for his money. Andrus has fallen off the last several years, and Didi should be a nice upgrade.
BenjiB24
McNeil is a stud and would be a superb addition to the red hot Rays
MetsFanaticDanny
He would be but it would cost the Rays…………A LOT.
TennVol
Just saw a video of Vlad training and he looks like he has lost a lot of weight. I was quite surprised at the transformation in such a short time frame. It will be interesting to see him come spring training. I think he is going to shock some people.
its_happening
Saw it too. Good start to his offseason.