The Padres are more likely to upgrade their roster through trades moreso than free agency this winter, though that hardly means the Friars are open to moving just anyone. As per Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune, sources both from within the Padres and on rival teams feel that Chris Paddack and top prospect MacKenzie Gore are “virtually untouchable” within the the Padres’ ranks of young arms. Right-handed pitching prospect Luis Patino “is just slightly more available than” Paddack or Gore, meaning that San Diego seems unlikely to move any of the three best impact arms in the organization.
It’s no surprise that Paddack is off limits following his impressive rookie season, or that Gore (a consensus top-five prospect in baseball in the eyes of Baseball America, MLB.com, and Fangraphs) isn’t a trade chip. Patino’s name isn’t as well-known as the others, though he also possesses an impressive pedigree.
An international signing out of Colombia, the 20-year-old Patino has a 2.35 ERA, 10.7 K/9, and 3.49 K/BB rate over 234 innings in pro ball. He cracked the Double-A level last season, so it wouldn’t be out of the question to see Patino reach the majors by late in the 2020 campaign. A converted shortstop, Patino has a fastball that usually sits in the mid-90s and has touched the 98mph threshold, while also possessing a plus slider and some very promising breaking pitches. Fangraphs ranks Patino 26th among all minor leaguers, with BA (29th) and MLB.com (30th) not far behind on their own top-100 lists.
Interest in Patino has grown as other teams are “realizing the Padres won’t part with Gore,” Acee writes, though if Patino is almost surely staying put, trade suitors will likely turn their attention elsewhere in the organization. To this end, there are still plenty of options available, since “any starting pitcher among [the Padres’] deep trove of highly-rated prospects and young major leaguers can be had as part of a trade package.”
Since Acee wrote over the summer that Manny Machado, Fernando Tatis Jr. and Eric Hosmer are the only position players San Diego is unwilling to trade, that leaves basically anyone else on the organizational depth chart available as a possible trade chip. Acee’s report came prior to the Padres’ acquisition of Taylor Trammell in the Trevor Bauer/Franmil Reyes deal, so one would imagine that the highly-touted Trammell also won’t be moved. (And, I would suspect that after two middling seasons from Hosmer, the Padres might be at least willing to listen if another team offered to take the first baseman and his $99MM in remaining salary off San Diego’s hands.)
It leaves the Padres with no shortage of possibilities in figuring out how to upgrade their team, as the franchise enters what could be a pivotal year. Executive chairman Ron Fowler described the club’s 70-92 season as “embarrassing,” and promised changes if the Padres didn’t improve in 2020. This puts extra pressure on general manager A.J. Preller to finally end the Friars’ streak of nine consecutive losing seasons.
Might have to change unwilling to trade Hosmer into “unable to trade Hosmer.”
Exactly. Im sure 29 other teams are just heartbroken Hosmer is off limits.
Hosmer and his 14 errors pathetic production against lefties he’s Padre problem don’t get delusional same as worthless Myers. Padres want to include Tatis or Paddack different story
I can assure you that Hosmer is absolutely NOT off limits. I can also guarantee he will not be moved. unfortunately.
That’s the first thought I had. And you can add Machado to that list – they’d trade him in a heartbeat if they could. Those overpays in back-to-back offseasons will comeback to haunt this team. They’re loaded with young prospects but keep making really bad decisions on the market.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Padres do trade Machado the way the Marlins traded Stanton. Of course Machado would have to have a great year, while the Padres would have to have a bad one, for such a trade to happen.
No one is going to trade FOR Machado.
I find it highly unlikely that they’d be able to move Manny Without eating some serious cash. Maybe if he has an absolutely monster season. But you figure the traditional big players Yanks, Red Sox, Cubs,Dodgers and Astros would all be out on him.
I guess wherever Rendon or Donaldson didn’t sign could be an option. Maybe a team like Philly, SF or CWS would take a look at him a year from now. Assuming he has a very good year. But you’d have to think even at that the market would be severely limited.
i dont think they’d be looking to trade machado, even with the down year he just had. contenders wouldnt give up mlb pieces for him anyway and that’s what they’d want. SD is past the point of collecting prospect assets, as shown by the quote from Fowler above. on top of that the likely only landing spot for him would be CWS and that’s assuming they’d want to move moncada back to 2nd where he did horribly defensively and that would also block 1 of their very best and nearly mlb ready prospects. outside that, maybe the dodgers if they’re really serious about moving turner to 1st and miss out on rendon. not the phillies, they go their man in bryce and now are looking for pitching. would the padres and red sox maybe match up on something for price and hosmer though? red sox clear some of the payroll crunch and fill a hole at first. padres add an arm to lead their staff and mentor gore when he arrives considering the similar repetoire’s
LAD been there done that. Those boys aren’t taking him back or handing out any mega deals. Friedman doesn’t do that stuff
@jbigz12
Damn shame the Padres would even think about trading Manny so soon. I mean, how does that sell to the fan base?
@south
And what does that say to future superstar FAs about signing long term in San Diego? Huge deterrent.
Full NTC. If Manny wants to stay in SD, he will. To say nothing of the fact that the Padres were the highest bidder in FA and he didn’t do much to prove the other teams wrong in 2019.
The Padres aren’t looking to trade Machado. That’s why they call this blog MLB trade “rumors”.
@south
Well if they sold MM and signed Stras or Cole with a guy like Moose to replace him it’d be alright. The problem is he didn’t play very well year 1 and I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone would want to take on 280 million bucks for machado right now.
@Longboarder – How do you KNOW this? You’re stating it as a fact when almost everyone else is stating their opinions as just opinions.
Uh…the Padres are not saying anything about trading Machado. Commenters on here are.
By MM are you referring to Manny Margot?
Really? Huge deterrent? No matter what, he gets 30 mil a year for 10 years.
The article clearly states Machado, Hosmer, and Tatis will not be traded.
Stanton was former MVP with no baggage
Nope. There is absolutely zero chance the padres have any interest whatsoever in trading Machado. That contract was and still is a very good decision
Machado is definitely off limits
I don’t think they realize how bad the contract with Manny is. Wait about 6-7 years when they’re stuck paying for Manny who’s getting old and they have some youngster they want to play at 3rd.
Oh… Tight. That’s tight. Even you have to admit that’s tight. Have you ever heard anything tighter?
Theres a reason why no other team jumped at Hosmer. Im sure his agent fell out of his chair when he saw that offer the Padres presented to them.
That’s certainly true for Machado, also, given his contract.
Hey, El Stupido MLB GMs: When El Magnifico AJ Preller decides to trade for one of your team’s players, just give ‘Da Man whoever he wants. He’ll decide what you’ll take in trade. I say RPs Pedro Avila, David Bednar, Javy Guerra, Luis Perdomo & Trey Wingenter will be bartered. SPs Lawson, Margevicius, Baez, Lamet, Espinoza and Thompson are ready to move. Position players Austin Allen, Austin Hedges, Luis Torrens, Eric Hosmer, Luis Urias, Manuel Margot, Nick Martini, Wil Myers, Josh Naylor, Hunter Renfroe, Ian Kinsler & Franchy Cordero just need to know in which city to search for an apartment. Prospects Blake Hunt, Buddy Reed, Ismael Mena, Regonald Preciado, Hudson Head, Jeisson Rosario, Esteury Ruiz & Hudson Potts will need hostels.
Look at that list. Outside of maybe Lamet, not a single good player. Those wouldn’t be trades, they’d be toilet flushes.
Some of those names are solid. Baez, Hedges, Urias, Margot, Naylor, and Renfroe all have value. It won’t happen, but I’d give you Betts for those guys without thinking twice.
Who’s your team? I’d like to return the pleasantries.
Red Sox. It feels I am surrounded by Padre’ fans that wouldn’t give up anyone, even if they have no defined role. And other non-Padre fans who think that no one who is not a star, has any value.
Hopefully, our new GM is one of those guys who specialize in buying okay guys at cheap prices.
@JoeBrady
I respect Betts. Betts is worth something, no doubt, but not 6 guys. Not for one year.
I only wanna hold on to Tatis Jr., Gore and Paddack—take anyone else you want.
I respect Betts. Betts is worth something, no doubt, but not 6 guys. Not for one year.
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That’s the fun of the off-season, and I’ve said before, one of the reason why I love the Padres as a trading partner. It’s not about the number of guys, but it is extremely helpful that you do have a large number of guys.
You can’t use all your SPs, and by my count, including close minor leaguers, you have 11 serviceable SPs. I’ll take one. If Betts plays CF, I’ll take Margot. You have no place for Naylor, so I’ll take him. If it’s done right, it becomes quite painless.
“El Magnifico”
It’s really nice that AJ Preller comments on this site.
Don’t think you can start referring to all the other gm’s as stupid and Preller as magnificent until he actually does something with those prospects. The Astros, Cubs, Braves and Devil Rays have all done more with the previous top farms that they built.
Also, most of those players you mentioned really have little appeal. A few have some good value but you are bringing them up now with their value lower from what it used to be. Urias, Baez (though he is a reliever), Morejon, Hedges maybe as a back up catcher, and maybe a couple others who were previous top 100 prospects.
But you have many on this list as potential players “The Man” might let other teams have that nobody would want unless they were tied to another player that is any good.
Dont really know how serious to take a some of what you said but the Padres arent so much in the drivers seat when pitted against the other GM’s. I like what Preller has done with the farm but he still has a lot to prove.
If I say they’re stupid, they are. My boy Preller got the best prospects and they didn’t—hence the “stupid” assertion.
They are because you say, eh? Think I will take that the same way I take financial advice from a toddler.
You don’t really care about facts so I am just not going to engage you seriously. You’re a mindless fan that doesn’t think critically.
TRADE WITH THE SOX.
Agreed. All of the Southern California teams match up well with the Red Sox for a big trade, maybe especially the Padres.
The following depends on how much the ownership is willing to spend in 2020, but with “heads will roll” being thrown out there by the owner I suspect the following is doable.
1. Trade Will Myers, Hunter Renfroe, Andres Morejon, Buddy Reed, and Joey Cantillo to Boston for Mookie Betts.
I checked their current roster and they could plug Myers in as their starting 1st baseman and Renfroe could replace Betts in right field. In spite of their flaws, both players could realistically hit 30+ homers (Hunter might hit 40 or more) hitting in Fenway, Yankee Stadium, as well as Toronto, Baltimore, and Tampa Bay’s small parks.
The multiple prospects are sent to offset the Myers money the following 2 years (if they prefer some cash added to this deal, we can easily do so and pull back Cantillo), as Boston will break even this year salary-wise with Betts’ proposed $27.2M salary being close to what Myers and Renfroe will receive in 2020.
The Padres also clear 4 spots from their 40-man roster with this deal.
Lastly, the Padres will get a conditional draft pick after the season when Betts becomes a free agent.
This is a win/win trade for both teams.
2. Still sign Stephen Strasburg to a 5/150 deal (I’d go 6/180 if necessary). As I stated previously, this solves your #1 ace pitcher desire and just as important drops good to potentially very good pitchers in Richards, Paddack, and Lamet to #2, 3, and 4 respectively. This is huge.
(2a. If you don’t get Strasburg, expand the Boston deal to include Chris Sale. Add Xavier Edwards, Jorge Ona, and another pitching prospect)
3. Trade Austin Hedges, Manuel Margot, and Eric Lauer to the Mets for Michael Conforto. Checking the Mets current roster, they sorely need a center fielder and there were rumblings last season about them wanting Margot in a potential Syndegard deal. There were also rumblings that their top pitchers did not like pitching to Wilson Ramos. Well, they would love pitching to Austin Hedges. This deal gives us a solid lefty swinging left fielder and gives them 2 solid defensive players up the middle and a good young pitcher in Lauer. It also saves them $4 million – which the Wilpons will appreciate.
This also clears 2 more 40-man roster spots.
4. Sign Japanese free agent Shogo to a 2 year $6 mil deal. He can hold down centerfield until Taylor Trammell is ready in 2021 (if not sooner).
How’s this 26-man 2020 lineup?
1) Mookie Betts – RF
2) Fernando Tatis – SS
3) Michael Conforto – LF
4) Manny Machado – 3B
5) Eric Hosmer – 1B
6) Francisco Mejia – C
7) Luis Urias – 2B
8) Shogo – CF
Starting 5
1) Stephen Strasburg
2) Garrett Richards
3) Chris Paddack
4) Dinelson Lamet
5) Joey Luchessi
Bullpen
Kirby Yates
Andres Munoz
Matt Strahm
Luis Perdomo
Jose Castillo
Michel Baez
RP @ $1M
RP @ .575M
Bench
Greg Garcia
Ian Kinsler
Backup Catcher @ $2M
Backup OF @ $1M (not Cordero this year. Let him prove he can be healthy for a season in El Paso)
Bench piece @ $1M
2020 Payroll = $157M (give or take a mil)
This puts us in the upper region of the “middle of the pack” payroll-wise – like Peter Siedler stated publicly.
Thoughts?
78 lines. Record winner!
Too long. Like 9/10 of the rest of the readers here, didn’t read it. Sorry. It probably says some interesting stuff.
Very well thought out. Not sure 30 mil a year will sign Strassburg, but whatever it takes, it will be a better move than the Machado contract. I’m not sure anyone wants Myers and Hedges is a question mark at the plate. I don’t know if Perdomo is ever going to be a solid pitcher. I don’t know what to expect from Garret Richards.
Nice ideas. As a Padres fan, I would take those. I think the Betts deal may require one more piece, though. Even if it is for just a season. I don’t think Morejon and Cantillo are worth the $60m the Red Sox now have to deal with while their payroll is a bigger issue right now.
STOP LYING ABOUT PITCHER INJURIES.
Preller is the poster child for lying about prospects. I don’t trust any GM, but 100 years from now, duplicate medical records will be referred to as the Preller Rule.
What injury did Pomeranz have?
Due to HIPPA considerations, the most news outlets released was that Pomeranz was taking oral medications for an undisclosed medical condition purportedly related to his arn.
Under preller, per SI articles (and others) it was reported that standard operating procedure for the padres was NOT to log any medical treatment or injuries in the central database used by teams for trades unless it resulted in IL (then DL) time.
However, those injuries that didn’t require IL/DL time WERE logged in a separate set of medical files kept internally by the padres and not shared with other teams during trades.
So, that is why Preller was suspended and fined. Per SI the penalties were in response to the red sox complaint, and not related to other complaints also recieved from other teams.
There you go. Proof of injury undisclosed is the fine/suspension.
From Wiki-On September 15, 2016, Preller was suspended for 30 days by MLB without pay for failing to disclose medical information, regarding the trade that sent Drew Pomeranz to the Red Sox
He was taking ibuprofen for shoulder irritation. Many pitchers who aren’t injured and do not become injured do the same.
And Anderson Espinoza is a 2x Tommy John recipient.
Okay, there we have it. ‘Shoulder irritation’.
And how many starts did it cause him to miss?
And how many starts did Espinoza’s Tommy John surgeries cause him to miss?
Not that it wasn’t Preller’s fault, but the trade did seem to work out better for the Sox than the Padres. We don’t even know if Espinoza everbreaks the 26-man roster yet.
Hey look another article from Kevin Acee about the Padres doing nothing at all.
Does this front office just get enjoyment out of hearing themselves talk? Fowler spouting off, Preller feeding the press regarding who is available in his robotslk.
DO SOMETHING THEN!
BREAKING: Padres unlikely to trade their cheap labour!
Our Padres “labor” is better, ranked higher and cost us more to import than your team. I say that factually & by money we’ve spent to get quality prospects and because our farm is ranked #1 by MLB and 99% of other major ranking services. That, Quickdraw, means your team is BELOW ours. Now prove how much worse your team is by telling me here who your lucky girls are so I may retort.
Wouldn’t it be great if the Pennant was awarded to the team with the highest ranked farm system?
I’d say so.
In further shocking news we didn’t all already know, Acee reports residents of downtown San Diego should look out past Coronado to watch the sunset tomorrow, and the city will be warmer than Bangor, Maine.
“Unwilling to trade Hosmer.”
Kevin you sure about that bruh?
And for all those who like to include Myers in packages for Betts or Syndergaard, parting with someone like Gore or Paddack is basically what they are looking at if they wanna do that.
I doubt the Red Sox get a league top prospect for a single season of a very expensive player coming off a lukewarm year. That would also be true for David Price who makes too much money. The Red Sox would have to eat a lot of money to get back big prospects for their veterans.
If they are also taking back an overpaid clubhouse cancer sure they will.
Oh and Betts is a legitimate game chsnger. The Red Sox will get something nice for him, even with him being a 1-year rental and costing ~$30m for that one year.
Did you just seriously say Mookie had a lukewarm 2019?
AS, GG, SS, 6.8 war, led the league in runs scored, hit .295 with a .391 OBP, and 29 hrs.
Man, I wonder what a good or even great season is? Bet you think trout is a borderline AAA player with that kind of expectation
I was just going to look up his stats and post the same thing.
Alt Sox Fan
Your point is taken, but those league-leading RS were on a high scoring team as a leadoff hitter with a bazillion ABs (706!). And it is a counting stat.
And 29 HRs in a juiced ball year when everyone got 30 or more is easily understandable as an off year. It probably counts as 23, 24 in a regular year.
.295 (.346) BA and .391 (.438) OB and his OPS (which you failed to note) .915 (down from 1.078) were well off his ’18 marks, were they not? That could intellectually honestly be construed as an off year for someone like Betts, especially during a juiced ball year.
Betts 6.8 WAR (’19) down from 10.9 (’18)
An off year, for Betts, by any OBJECTIVE measure.
I like Betts. I do. I respect the guy. But Sox fans are not being honest about his most recent year and current value. They just aren’t. And some non-Sox fans are misrepresenting his performance in 2019 as well. He’s not Trout at this point, not even close. Trout had a WAR of 10.5 in 16 fewer GP.
Lukewarm eh?
You do not know what lukewarm means do you?
It’s relative. You compare Betts 2019 (6.8 WAR) to 2018 (10.9 WAR), it was lukewarm. As superstars go, it was lukewarm
Obviously Betts is great. He didn’t have a Luke warm season last yr, just down from the previous yr. BUT he’s not bringing much back in a deal with only 1 expensive yr left before free agency. I don’t even think Trout would bring back a haul for only 1 yr making $30 million.
“He didn’t have a Luke warm season last yr, just down from the previous yr. ”
For superstars, 6.8 WAR is lukewarm. Trout had 10.5 in 16 fewer GP. Betts had 10.9 in 2018. He was off 40%!!!
You’re psycho if you think any deal would send Gore or Paddack out. Only one I’d approve is Trout and Arte Moreno for them.
Hosmer and a couple of good (not great) prospects for Price.
Ryan Weathers and Luis Campusano, maybe…
I’d hate if we traded campusano
If you want to move Hosmer that is basically what you are looking at.
For an underwater 99 million dollar deal it’d certainly take two top prospects. I can’t imagine any team would put more than a 20 million dollar value on Hosmer at this point. And that’d be based on what he did before he came to SD.
Think of it this way: the money would be more or less a wash, but Price still has value whereas Hosmer does not. So, what will teams give up for 3 years of a 3 WAR pitcher? You can keep Gore and some of your top guys, but you’re going to have to trade prospects you’d otherwise want to keep.
Price still has value whereas Hosmer does not.
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I doubt Hosmer can be moved. He’s gone downhill too quickly, and the contract too long. Myers, imho, can be moved. The downside on Myers is probably a pretty decent backup 1B/#4 OF. The upside is an everyday player. And with only three years left, there is some chance he becomes motivated in year 3 to get another contract. If Myers & Price were thrown in a bigger package, it could work.
Who wants to pay 23.5 million for a back up 1B /#4 OF?
Who wants to pay $32M for Price? I mean, I hope you understand the concept of swapping out one overpaid player for another overpaid player? By my crude estimate, Myers is overpaid by ~ $48M, and Price is overpaid by $54M.
And i am also hoping you comprehended what I wrote when I said “The downside on Myers is probably a pretty decent backup 1B/#4 OF.”
This is way off. At $32 million, Price would have been about $12 million in the red last year. At $22.5 million, Myers would have been about $18 million in the red last year.
He mentioned a bigger package, not a straight swap.
i just commented this proposal above before i saw this. i like the match. SD would deffinitely have to add to the package but i like the basic format of hosmer for price. hosmer + espinosa for price?
Espinoza has next to 0 trade value. He may never pitch an inning in the big leagues. And Hosmer STINKS.
while he has been injured for 2+ years running bc of an original TJ surgery that didnt take, that doesnt mean he has 0 trade value. especially not when right before his first surgery he was a consensus top 25 prospect at the single-A level. yes, he may never pitch an inning at the ML level but u could legitimately say that about any pitching prospect. keep i mind that david price now has a history of forearm strains that many belive to be a precursor to TJS in itself and he’s also definitely not the same pitcher from TB or detroit either. the red sox wouldnt be the only team taking on risk in that equation
Bro he hasn’t thrown a pitch since 2016. The highest level he reached was low A ball. The man has 1 option year left. Which means he has to be big league ready by 2020 or you lose him.
His value is deeper in the toilet than your plumber.
This isn’t like saying any top prospect might not pitch in the majors. This dude might not even be able to pitch at all.
he’d have to be ready by 2021 with an option year remaining. he’s a wild card admittedly, but a wild card with a very high ceiling. ace ceiling actually, or maybe bc of having only 1 option year u plug him in the bullpen in 2021 and build him up to a starters workload. risky?absolutely but ur also clearing the payroll of a guy who’s over 30 who may need TJ himself at some point,hasnt pitched like the guy he was before signing this contract, and had minor injuries this past season on top of the elbow problem that forced him to miss most of the previous year.
1 top ten prospect, and 1 top thirty prospect?
I wouldn’t do Hosmer for Price for anything less than Mack Gore and Taylor Trammell.
Hosmer literally had a negative dollar value last year, which makes every cent of that $21 million an overpay. Price is overpaid, but since he provided about $20 million of value, it is by only about $12 million. $9 million of the $11 million salary difference is negated by performance value, and then Hosmer will command another 3/$39 after Price’s deal expires.
Done!!! I’ll get him and the prospects on the next flight. The “Price” Is RIGHT!!!
Breaking news: padres create brown unis to cover their stains :0 In all seriousness however: It really would be fun to have a competitive NL West race again. Will be interesting to see “more likely to upgrade their roster” in any capacity. San Diego deserves a winning team…since it’s now the only team. Gore and Paddock are going to be fun to watch in pitcher friendly Petco with run support!
i see mookie betts going to SD, for a few reasons( and im a red sox fan, i dont WANT betts gone)
1, San diego is over paying for stars left and right to make the playoffs, after 2020 then can unload the truck and sign him to a gazillion dollars
2, they have the pitchers we will want in return in both the minors and/or just about to break into the majors
3, he has the kinda ‘attitude’ for san diego, laid back, funny, the fans will love him.
Dont be surprised if this happens, while i dont know much about the padres outfield, im sure they can slide in the top 3 or 4 best player in the world.
Except Gore isnt available apparantly which I think Bloom will want back for Betts, to start. Red Sox are going to get a king’s ransom when they trade him and without Gore I dont see that deal happening.
@coldbeer you need to come to terms with the reality of Betts’ value. He’s a one-year rental and getting expensive. Top 10 prospects in the game don’t get traded for that. Not even 1-for-1.
Since 2016 there is only 1 player in mlb that has been more valuable than Betts by fwar and that is Trout.
He’s a 27 yr old perennial all star and MVP candidate (and former winner). In 2018 he had the most decorated individual season in mlb history. Never missed major time due to injuries.
It takes Gore to get Betts to San Diego.
Then keep Betts if he’s so great, oh wait…your cheap owner doesn’t want to.
“He’s a 27 yr old perennial all star and MVP candidate (and former winner). In 2018 he had the most decorated individual season in mlb history. Never missed major time due to injuries.”
He’s also a one-year rental, making $30m in that one year and probably going to go back to Boston after that one year so whoever trades for him basically has to win the World Series in 2020 for trading to him to be worth it regardless of what the prospects they give up end up doing.
“It takes Gore to get Betts to San Diego.”
Just wait my friend. Betts will not bring back one leaguewide top 10 prospect. If that’s what Chaim Bloom wants, then he can keep him and get nothing for him.
We’ll put a bet on it! Boston will get a top 10 prospect for Betts, at least.
And fyi Boston isnt my team.
The top 10 prospects in the game play for the Rays, Dodgers, White Sox Padres, Angels, Orioles, Tigers, Royals, Twins and Blue Jays. Of those, the Orioles, Tigers, Royals and Blue Jays are rebuilding and thus have no need for Betts and the Rays’ organizational philosophy would prevent them from trading the #1 prospect in the game for an expensive one-year rental. So you got Gavin Lux, Luis Robert, MacKenzie Gore, Jo Adell and Royce Lewis. Of those, the one with the lowest trade value according to that trade simulator website is Royce Lewis and he still beats Betts by $18.1m surplus value.
So unless the Red Sox wanted to throw in Casas or Dalbec that’s a dangerous bet right there.
I dont agree how you compare value between a top 5 MLB player in his prime and a top 5 MLB prospect who, as highly touted as he is, hasnt accomplished anything yet.
I also dont agree that you simply preclude an extension with Betts to coincide with Machado’s contract. Especially if Preller can somehow move Myers contract without eating much, or any, of the $61 mil tied up there.
“I dont agree how you compare value between a top 5 MLB player in his prime and a top 5 MLB prospect who, as highly touted as he is, hasnt accomplished anything yet.”
And I don’t agree with how you disregard projection and future value.
“I also dont agree that you simply preclude an extension with Betts to coincide with Machado’s contract. Especially if Preller can somehow move Myers contract without eating much, or any, of the $61 mil tied up there.”
If you think they can sign Betts then they definitely shouldn’t trade for him. In one year they can sign him without giving up any prospects. Just $. What sounds better to you: Betts and Gore or just Betts?
They would still give up the comp pick unless hes dealt elsewhere. Plus, if some other team trades for him now they have a year ahead of the Padres to lock him up. You keep devaluing Betts far too low. Well have to see what happens…
“They would still give up the comp pick unless hes dealt elsewhere.”
Which would be worth much less than MacKenzie Gore.
“Plus, if some other team trades for him now they have a year ahead of the Padres to lock him up.”
That’s a chance I’ll take. Especially considering Betts has said on multiple occasions that he’s not interested in an extension.
“You keep devaluing Betts far too low.”
You’re overvaluing him. Whether you want to admit it or not, him being a one-year rental and an expensive one at that puts a major crimp in his value.
“Well have to see what happens…”
Yup. You can rest assured that you will be hearing from me about this in March.
“You can rest assured that you will be hearing from me about this in March.”
By then we hope you get a life.
You are correct about Betts. Still, if you have to come back in 5 months to troll Coldbeer you need a life.
Thanks Jim
There is absolutely ZERO chance one yr of Betts brings back a top 10 prospect. Heck, I don’t even think one yr of Trout would bring that good of a prospect. It’s waaaay to risky for one yr of any player. What if in that 1 yr the player is hurt? It’s not happening. 1 yr rental bats don’t have that much value.
It’s not Betts he’s devaluing it’s the situation with him having only 1 yr. and being 30 million in that 1 yr. Teams aren’t giving up that kind of long term talent for any rental bat, including Trout if he was available for only 1 yr.
Surplus value is one massive equivocation fallacy. You have to treat future projections as equal to actual production.
You are actually less valuable simply because you play in a major league game.
That “trade value site” is a comical farce. Not only does the guy change the “values” on his site after the fact to reflect actual trades (thus “proving” his idea works), but the values on some players is a joke as well.
You could trade Aaron Bummer (28.6M) for Kris Bryant (27M) and it’s accepted.
There’s no GM in the game who would remotely suggest that Bummer has more value to a team than Kris Bryant. Zero.
Agreed, Betts trade vallue is consistently overstated on this site. He is not worth what the Sox are asking for. A 1-year rental being payed nearly $30 million is not going to bring back a top 100 prospect or a young controllable MLB level starting player.
This is why I don’t see Betts being traded this off-season.
“By then We hope you get a life”
aS I sIT here and pICK aN iNtErnEt fight with you
Bummer, man.
Not for 1 year.
Boston is better off doing everything possible to keep Mookie long-term. Find someone willing to eat Price’s entire deal and Eovaldi’s entire deal in exchange for high-upside guys like Bobby Dalbec (blocked by Devers) and Jay Groome (uncertainty after TJS). Freeing up $49 million per year for 2020-2022, plus getting J.D. Martinez off the books starting in 2023, makes Mookie a Red Sox lifer.
Red Sox are going to get a king’s ransom when they trade him and without Gore I dont see that deal happening.
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The reason I like SD so much as a trading partner, is that they have a bunch of guys that they won’t fight over.
There are a couple of SDP fans that don’t want to give up anything, but consider the following list:
Hedges
Naylor
Margot or Renfroe
Quantrill or Baez
There will be four guys from that list without a defined role for SD. I think there is about a -0- chance that SD wouldn’t give up most of those guys in a trade for Betts. If SD wants to play Betts in RF, Hedges, Naylor, Renfroe & Baez works perfectly for both teams.
They would have gotten a Kings ransom if he had more than 1 yr of control left. But there’s zero chance they get a great return with him having only 1 expensive yr under control. As great as Betts is he has just 1 single very expensive yr left. I’m guessing maybe a couple high upside far away prospects. Definitely not getting a top 10 prospect like many suggest. I’m not even a Padre fan, but know no team wants to Mortgage the future for 1 year.
Its not happening. Red Sox fans are going to be so upset when they see the return if this what they really think.
I’ve been proposing Renfroe, Lamet and Margot for Betts, if a window of extension negotiations is opened and successfully agreeded upon. I like your Hedges, Naylor, Renfroe & Baez package better but whichever the Red Sox might want is cool.
“Renfroe, Lamet, and Margot for Betts”, actually makes some sense. Unlike all these Gore plus more for Betts ideas the Red Sox fans think they’ll get.
I’ve been proposing Renfroe, Lamet and Margot for Betts,
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I would take that, though I was hoping for a complete fleecing.
Margot frees up the RS to either trade JBJ for a small piece, or non-tender him if necessary. I don’t think Margot is much of a downgrade, and the money helps.
Lamet is an injury risk, but so are all pitchers. He looks like a solid #3.
Renfroe’s K% is troublesome, but his power might play well at Fenway. Most importantly, that’s 11 years of control in total, with no one being old, and all with decent floors.
i like the concept of margot,lamet, and renfroe but i dont think the sox would want 2 OFers back. maybe margot,lamet, urias?
I don’t think I’ve seen a Betts for Gore post yet. The only Gore posts I see are generally Padre fans saying ‘You’ll never get Gore for Betts’. I’ve seen Patino mentioned, but that is at least in the ballpark.
@Joe Brady
“If SD wants to play Betts in RF, Hedges, Naylor, Renfroe & Baez works perfectly for both teams.”
Seems like too much to me. Too many controllable years from SD combined with a high salary for 1 year of Betts.
No.
More like…Hell No!!!
Need to open a negotiating window with Betts first on a generous extension before compensating Boston. With that, “Let’s Get It On!!!”
an extension window isnt going to happen, and even if it does what makes u think mookie will sign? if he was interested in signing an extension dont u think the sox would keep him?
I don’t think that the Bosox will be wanting to do any major trade with the Padres as long as Preller is still the GM. Remember the Drew Pomeranz fiasco?
Phillies would part with Arietta even if he is their 2nd best pitcher… Or they’d even take Will Myers off their hands if they took back Odubel’s wasted contract since they need a CF/LF to split with McClutch.
I don’t see the Phillies taking Will Myers when they already have Jay Bruce under contract for next season. Neither is a good outfielder and neither really fit on the infield. They Phils are better off playing Haseley in center field than throwing Myers out there.
no will myers,he doesnt fit anywhere and is literally just wasted money. at least we didnt have to pay for herrera’s wasted season, cant say the same about myers. no more cutch in CF either. he was terrible defensively in center before a post age 30 knee injury and now u wanna play him in center after that?no thanks, not on a contender at least. say what u want about herrera’s off the field issues but the fact of the matter is that in 4 full seasons in the majors he has 2 4WAR seasons and another 2WAR season. he’s a still young guy that if we can get to get his head together again still have value,potentially surplus value if he can get to that 4-win plateau again. point being, he has potential value to us and not to a single other team
Guys like Myers can and will drag a whole team down with them. His attitude and work ethic both suck and he is injury prone. Very frustrating from a fan’s perspective because he really does have (some) talent
Wil is always going to hang his hat with cellar dwelling ballclubs.
ive seen multiple people comment about myers’ “negative clubhouse presence” or attitude but ive never heard anything about this. is this a documented thing or a fans perspective type thing?
It’s a fans’ perspective. He’s not your typical negative presence – ie getting into altercations/fights/etc. He just always appears pretty apathetic, not very into the games, doesn’t seem like he has a lot of friends kind of guy. His answers to the media are very robotic/tells you what you want to hear. Not very passionate and when he slumps he slumps for most of a season before he’s over himself.
Padres should absolutely sell high on Gore. he had a good stretch in A+, but playing well in A-ball does not a good MLB pitcher make. oh, and he was injured AGAIN.
LMAO ok big guy. I suggest the Phillies do the same with Bohm.
im not a Pads hater or anything – dont get me wrong. theres a lot of talent in that system, i just dont believe Gore has proven being ranked as high as he is as a prospect. (top 3)
Agreed, if you can trade for proven MLB talent, you should do it. Teams and fans are crazy about their prospects..
I’m as big a fan of prospects as there is. But a couple of the SD fans think they need to hold onto every prospect. I wouldn’t trade Gore for almost anyone. Patino I’d be slow to trade.
But the idea that you can’t trade Naylor, with no position, or Baez and Morejon, who might never be starters, is completely shortsighted, imo.
And I don’t think Bohm has proven being ranked top 40 :}
You know, you really shouldn’t speak in public if you don’t know what you’re talking about.
LOL “sell high” on the next Randy Johnson?
OTOH, that would be a classic Padres move.
Injured again? In 2019?
No he wasn’t. 100 percent untrue.
I don’t see team taking on Hosmer contract even for 2 prospects
What a brain dead GM. He’s peddling 2 absurd contracts dangling prospects. Preller is a joke.
It makes sense. They are rebuilding and these guys seem to be the real deal. Unless it’s trout, no I can’t think of many players I’d trade those guys for
i dont see Hosmer as untradable as people make him out to be. the guy drove in nearly 100 runs on a pretty mediocre Padres team this year and perhaps could be hid as a LF/DH or something by a AL team. if the Orioles and Tigers didnt have their own aging 1B-types they could be options. lets not forget the terms of this contract as well. in a few years, the AAV falls to $13 million, which isnt terribly unmanageable.
Myers too, should be tradable with the right prospect package. lets not forget, Myers showed ability in the past, so perhaps some team can recover some semblance of a decent hitter in him. there are plenty of positions to hide him at and he’s really only owed under $70 million over 3 years. teams may not be taking on contracts as they used to, but if the Padres want to open up roster spots and save money to get starters, they may have to try.
You’re grossly understating how bad those contracts are. You make it sound like there are teams lining up to take them on. Not a chance.
no contender is taking them on, but these arent Pujols, Miggy, and Davis. teams value prospects very highly, and if there were rebuilding teams out there without bad contracts of their own, id imagine they’d certainly consider trying to skim someone out of SD’s deep system if they dont have to pay the entire value of the contracts.
I am sure RedSox would eat 100% of Myers if Pads took Price or Sale
something like Myers + Naylor + Arias + Lucchesi + Ornelas + Allen. For Sale + Benintendi..or Price + Benintendi
I seriously doubt any GM would want to depress the value of top prospects by attaching crappy contracts that they signed the players to, just to get out from under them. That’s like doubling the mistake. Plus, as bad as those deals are it’s not like the Padres have payroll issues, as pretty much everyone else is making the minimum.
yeah I find that interesting as well..use the prospects you would have attached to Myers for someone to eat his cintract to go get a solid COF in his rookie contract or just entering Arb.. like Mazara or Benintendi… so they start in LF and Myers becomes super sub.. prospect capital roughly the same if not less to acquire either of these guys and Pads get their BAT LH.. Myers then can blow up and with only 2/40 left after this year could actually be a solid trade chip next off-season.. remember AJP traded an even worse contract James Shields for a 17 yr old J2 signing named Tatis Jr
You aren’t getting Benintendi in a package w Myers and your B level prospects.
Do you think Myers would even get tendered a contract this offseason if he was due 10MM in arb? My answer would be no. But he’s due almost 70 MM over the next 3 years. That’s seriously underwater. Sale is still a productive pitcher also. I see no reason to think why he can’t bounce back this year
I say this is a good trade opt. you mentioned, Maybe eliminating Urias or Allen but the rest for Sale or Price and Benintendi
You aren’t getting Benintendi in a package w Myers and your B level prospects.
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They aren’t close to B level prospects. I assume you mean Urias, not Arias, and he was rated top-30. Naylor was top-100 and the #12 overall, but is either a Fenway LF or a 1b/DH type, Lucchesi had an ERA+ of 101, is 24 and has four years of control.
I was assuming Arias. And not Urias. Because that’s what he wrote. Naylor is a DH. He’s entirely dependent on bat production. Lucchesi is a solid #4. But you’re giving up Sale and benintendi while taking back a 69MM sunk cost in Wil Myers.
I don’t think a 5/125 is all that bad for Sale. Myers is worth about nothing. You’re talking about a barely above replacement level player who just came off a season where he struck out in 35% of his abs. He also put up a .344 BABIP to hit 4% below league average last season. I’m not sure where the improvement is going to come from there. I see absolutely no value there. He’s supposed to be in his “prime” now.
And Austin Allen is a backup catcher prospect with 1 option year left. I don’t know enough about Ornelas to have any opinion there. So unless there’s some serious upside there I don’t see the value in the Sox doing that.
If you’re talking Urias, sure. That’d be a different story.
I think you’re the high man on Myers though. I see a platoon player at best. One that is owed about 70 million bucks over the next 3.
I guess if you see any value there. You might consider that initial package. That package seems like more quantity than quality. I think the Sox would cut out a lot of that filler and ask for something else if they’re taking on Myers.
But I’ll concede here. I might be the low man on a lot of these guys. And high on the two from Boston. I see Naylor as a guy who is maxed out physically and is a really poor athlete. Bat dependent DH’s aren’t that valuable. Allen doesn’t do much for me. I think the pads just want to get rid of a blocked poor defensive catcher there. I’ve already stated what I think of Myers.
Don’t know enough about Arias or Ornelas to really have an opinion. but I suppose if Bloom likes them they look like fairly high upside dart throws.
I do like lucchesi but I don’t see anymore upside than what he is right now. Which is a solid 4. That certainly does have value though
I also like the odds of Sale and Benintendi putting up typical Sale and Benintendi years next year. So maybe that’s just me here. I suppose after thinking about it I could see the Sox taking the package. We really don’t know what they’ll do with the new man in charge.
1-I should’ve added that it was the Price package I was looking at.
2-I am assuming it is Urias, since Arias is hardly even a real prospect.
3-I wasn’t sure if he meant the Allen that got traded, so I passed on him.
Mostly, it is only a good package if it is Urias and not Arias.
Bush1 it may not be up to Preller, though. Ownership has called out Myers this offseason saying it would take eating his contract to get rid of him. Seems like it’s something they are planning to do and goes over the head of the gm.
Myers is a fine ballplayer—when he decides to actually play that day. Taking 3 straight called strikes without lifting the bat off his shoulder and walking back to the dugout like it’s no big deal is a sign that he’s already gotten his money, so why try. Maybe another team can motivate him to show up every play and every at-bat.
Myers value is awful right now. If he was a free agent I’d be shocked if he got more than a 1 yr $5 million deal. Sure, he has a chance to bounce back some, but man he’s about impossible to deal. Maybe they can work a buyout and save a couple million or something, and he can go where he can play first base somewhere. I doubt it tho.
Myers is a perfect example of what’s wrong with guaranteed contracts. All contracts should be at least 50% incentive laden.
The best way to evaluate a player is to ask yourself, ‘if he were a FA, how much would I be willing to pay him for the next 6 years?’. Teams like the RS and.pr Yankees have guys very similar to that skill level, at minimum wage. I wouldn’t take on almost any part of Hosmer’s contract when I have someone like Chavis, maybe Dalbec, and then Casas in one of two years.
Even if I needed a 1B, I’d prefer to go year-by-year with a guy like Moreland.
Yeah my guess is Myers gets a 1 yr $3 million deal as a free agent. He’s about MLB minimum territory or DFA material
ur right, but would u swap a shorter contract with less money plus other minor pieces for the back half of david price’s contract.im saying something built around price/hosmer.
saying something built around price/hosmer.
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Not Hosmer. He is too long and easily replaced. Myers, since he is shorter, and at least owns an outfielders glove, I’d consider. A guy like Myers might be the equivalent of a guy like Moreland. Maybe we roll the dice with Dalbec next year. But if we don’t, it is not insane to plop Myers at 1st.
Obviously a lot of salary has to go the other way, but since I am in favor of re-signing Moreland, then Myers shouldn’t be too much worse than that.
myers is just as bad in the outfield as hosmer is at first and hosmer doesnt come with injury concerns that myers does
Hosmer is a much better 1B than Myers. He’s still a bad target for a trade unless you’re swapping bad contracts, in which case he’ll probably need to be packaged with another player because of the length of his remaining contract.
The Padres refuse to deal Hosmer?!?! That can’t be true, or they just understand that no team would even take on half of his bloated contract. His production is bad for a 1st baseman, and he has little value and actually negative value considering his crappy contract.
Bingo
Cant blame them for holding onto Paddack & Gore, as both will likely be rotation staples for the next decade. Anybody else in their system has to be on the table at this point, however. If they can somehow bring in a Jon Gray and an impact bat they have a chance to be good. Boston is a very logical trade partner. I could even see a scenario where they unload Myers or Hosmer with 2 top 10 organizational prospects for David Price and/or Betts. Preller is undoubtedly on the hot seat and the time is now to cash in some of their trade chips.
Yeah, it’s a Captain Obvious article saying those two aren’t available. Of course Paddock and Gore aren’t available.
“‘… Boston is a very logical trade partner.”
Google AJ Preller and Drew Pomeranz.
Prowler
No shocker here.
Hey, remember when Paddack trolled Pete Alonso about who would win the ROY? Yeah, that aged well.
Alonso wouldn’t have won it if both tatis and paddack were cut loose/uninjuried. Ok also pretty sure paddack made him is beach that game too
If if get over it. Pete won and Paddack looked like clown now he shuts up
Well Paddack OWNED Pete
It’s impossible to say Tatis would have kept up his play over the whole season at the level he was playing, and Paddock slowed way down as the yr went on. It’s not like Alonso backed into the award. He led the league in homer’s by a decent margin and had an amazing year.
Tatis is one the biggest regression candidates for 2020.
He’s not going to keep up his .410 BABIP next season, and likely wasn’t going to over the remainder of August and September.
If I had a ROY vote, that factor absolutely would have played in.
If Tatis finished the whole season with a .410 BABIP and kept his numbers up he still would’ve gotten my vote. Let the market correct when it does but I’m not going to knock a guy for having a high BABIP all season.
It’s not the sustainable ROY vote. Just the ROY.
I knock him because a .410 BABIP likely isn’t indicative of his actual talent, and instead is a factor that he had a lot of good luck go his way.
I don’t think it’s unfair to not vote for a guy because he got lucky a lot.
Luck would assume he got a bunch of seeing eye singles. He’s in the 95th percentile in sprint speed. Still slugged .590. The type of player Tatis Is can easily be a guy who sustains a .330-.345 BABIP. So it becomes a question of how much do you knock him.
But that’s certainly fine. You certainly can have an opinion the other way. I would’ve voted for him if you assume he kept up the pace he was going at pre-injury. He was likely a 35/30 guy who plays SS. That would’ve been my vote despite what Pete did.
I don’t assume he could keep a .410 BABIP for an entire season. His xBABIP was closer to .333. Which shows that something outside of his general ability was taking place to prop up a .410 BABIP.
None of this suggests that he’s a bad player, by any means, but the first thing I even notice is the possibility of serious regression next season.
Someone with a name like walter is betting against Tatis Jr.—that’s what this world’s gotten to.
Haha, no relation to the Dodgers’ owner. But I do live within a few hours of him.
Alonso’s HR total was probably padded by 8-10 HR’s due to the juiced ball. Still an impressive number, but not record-setting. He probably still deserved the ROY.
mrnatewalter,
Part of why his babip remained high over the course of the season are because of his tools. He either hits the ball hard or he is very fast and beats out infield singles. It would not surprise me if it remains high for the next 4-5 years.
Paddack is young, talented, competitive and a little arrogant at times. That’s probably part of why he’s as highly regarded as he is.
Also, the dust up was over rookie of the month for April. Not ROY.
If you claim that you have a well stocked farm system, then you should take a gamble to get a key player to improve your team. If you set limits of which prospects cannot be traded, then your farm system is not that good !
agree.. Gore can move .. for Trout
The Padres still hurting from that Rizzo for Cashner trade. !
yup ..at least Cash was serviceable though.mand that was Theo trading Rizzo to the Cubs .. All AJP does is turn Shields into Tatis Jr and Rodney into Paddack ..
If a team is willing to take Wil Myers whole contract I’m sure the Padres would be more receptive to trading Gore.
no.. looking at fangraphs value $$ for specs ..assuminh Myers true value is around $9 mil per ($27) leaving $33 mil of value to be added to a deal by Padres.. that would be Weather’s + Potts + Nix = $43 mil.. (fangrphs prospect $$ value) so say Detroit takes that package and adds Greene from their side
Detroit can’t add Greene. He was traded to the Braves last season.
Gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he meant Riley not Shane
Heh heh heh …and about a dozen other moves.
The Padres have a ton of “Doyle Alexander” moves in the last decade. ☹️
A dozen other moves like what?
Oh u mean the prospects Yea Padre fan know u like those prospects losing 90 games a year
Do the Padres need a Centerfielder? If so, how much could they give up for Starling Marte?
Yes and no. They have Margot in center but probably want to upgrade. They need to revamp their OF somehow whether it’s at the corners or CF so Marte could be a good fit.
Kinda depends on what PIT wants. Padres have a bunch of young controllable MLB back of the rotation arms so they could build a trade around that and then add lotto ticket type prospects (Ex. Lauer + Gabriel Arias) or if the Pirates just want some better prospects I could see like 2 middle tier guys (Hudson Potts + Reggie Lawson). I don’t think Marte is fetching the top tier of available Padres prospects (Patino, Edwards, Abrams)
I think you’re undervaluing Marte. Should get at least one decent MLB ballplayer with some controllable years.
I think the difference isn’t in how I value Marte, it’s how I value the Padres SPs. I agree with your analysis, I think he can get a decent MLB player in return, and that’s why I proposed Lauer who had a 2.3 fWAR last year and is controlled through the 2024 season.
Don’t get me wrong Marte has value and would be an upgrade for SD, but he only has 2 years of control at $24M for those years, and he’s like a 3 fWAR player, so if the Padres are sending Pre-Arb starting pitching like Lauer, Quantrill, etc… who are cheaper and controlled for longer, but also probably slightly less valuable than Marte on a yearly basis, then I don’t think the Pirates get much more than that aside from some shot in the dark prospects.
I don’t really know what PIT needs so I was trying to throw out an MLB ready option and a higher ceiling prospect only idea as well.
Pirates need left handed SP & RP help, a catcher and help at 3B + OF if Marte is moved. They could use, Luis Campusano at catcher who might be more enticing than Hedges. Padres also have a OF Olivares and 1st/3B Ty France in need of 40 man protection that they could offer, they also have LHP prospects Weathers, Morejon & Cantillo. Marte should bring back at least 3 prospects so any combination of those that fit their need is more likely to draw their attention in a Marte trade.
Preller is garbage…….his record and the way he’s handled himself speaks for itself.
But, if you needed further evidence, him considering Hosmer an “untouchable” shows how completely clueless he is (as if giving Hosmer all that money in the first place wasn’t proof enough).
I’m guessing that he knows no one would touch that albatross of a contract for a below average first baseman. So he may as well act like they like Hosmer since he’s unmovable.
Bingo
Trading Eric Hosmer, if the Padres are stuck with Wil Myers, not a completely bad idea. It seemed first base felt at home with ole Wil baby…
AJ Preller should buy them gifts of ATVs along with an accompanying case of Jack Daniels. Non-baseball injuries might be the Padres’ best option at this point.
pretty sure Machado + Tatis jr and Hosmer arent going anywhere Ownership loves them…
I see AJP making a few moves this Winter for guys like Marte/Benintendi/Lindor/..not sure Betts (1yr) makes sense unless Bosox take Myers , Contreras, Bryant, Haniger, Mancini, Villar,PerLta , Inciarte , Meadows..etc..
I could see AJP also going after Kubler,Price, Sale,Gray, Boyd etc..
probably won’t move Gore/CJ Abrams/or Trammell.. But in a few cases Patino/Campusano/Edwards/Weather’s/Urias/Lucchesi/Lauer/Hedges/Mejia/Cantillo/Baez/Morejon/Naylor and the like could be 1 or more pieces in a package…
one interesting trade that I saw was Joc + Maeda from LAD to SD.. Maeda wants to be SP ..LAD views him as a swing SP/BP..and Joc seems like odd man out in LAD crowded OF.. a Renfroe/Joc platoon would optimize both..and Maeda has like 3 or 4 yrs of control and is a really solid SP 1.07 Whip
I don’t think they can make that trade in the division for Joc, even if does make a lot of sense to get his LH bat in their lineup. Padres can’t afford to send prospects to LAD that will end up being thorns in SD’s side for the next 6-7 years. While there were a lot of other factors going on at the time, I think Grandal for Kemp isn’t going to be forgotten and SD isn’t going to want to send anyone to LA because if they lose the trade it just makes the uphill climb in the division so much worse.
You can’t dwell on trades from the past not if your a good GM, I say make the deal I suggested and get it done. We need to dump Myers and a top prospect for Sale, the gamble is worth getting rid of Myers. Plus Myers could be a DH for the BoSox
Myers, Hosmer and a RP straight up for that postseason choker Kershaw is acceptable. We’ll let him help us get there but won’t let him give the keys to the carjacker in the WS parking lot.
I’d trade two of our regulars and a good prospect for those two from L.A. Renfore or Margot, Luc, and a top 100 prospect, make the deal already.
Ownership loves then wow
ABUSE OF LANGUAGE!
The word “virtually” doesn’t mean what a lot of people seem to think it means. Example: “virtual” reality means “not” reality.
Pet peeve rant over.
“almost or nearly as described, but not completely or according to strict definition”
In the context of my example, it means exactly what I said. Virtual reality is NOT reality. I specifically used that example because there is no room for nuance.
Entire contract on Eric Hosmer, entire contract on Wil Myers, Taylor Trammell, and Joey Cantillo to the White Sox for Alex Colome, any other reliever not named Aaron Bummer, and either Yolmer Sanchez or Leury Garcia for the bench.
White Sox say no. No way any team takes on both contracts and give players for Trammel and Cantillo. They wouldn’t take on Hosmer’s for that let alone both.
Sorry. I want Ryan Weathers, too. I can’t believe I forgot to put his name in my post.
Yeah that would be insane for the White Sox, who are typically cheap anyway. Those contracts are truly awful and those prospects don’t discount nearly enough. It’s not even close.
Padre fan being delusional
Yates had 41 saves last year and 5 previous he had 15 total, let’s save Rollie Fingers comparison he’s also going to be 33
Saving meaningless games also the jury is out if he can save high leverage games. Kimbrel can’t he’s making good $
I’m a White Sox fan, not a Padres fan.
Padre fans need to stop delusional ideas of dumping bad contracts on teams. This just in no teams are as dumb as Padres
Maybe virtually would change if betts was in talking.
1 year of Betts get real
Boycott Petco! Down with brown! Tired of wasting time and money watching prospects.
Go back to that 1910 era Hoosiers (the movie) gym and use those maroon & gold short shorts to give yourself a wedgie. $5 tix for Park at the Park is not wasting money.
Cool man, we want people who care and stick it out.
Players like Patino/Lamet should not be completely untouchable but extremely unlikely to be traded, Lamet can be a number 2/3 type starter
The Padres being the Padres!!! They always shoot themselves in the foot by signing players to big contracts with no success coining out of it and that won’t change. The money the own manny, hosmer and Meyers will end up hurting them. The hopes of pads fans to sign Strasburg aren’t realistic. They will have to pay Tatis Jr and Yates big money soon also.
Yates isn’t getting big $ lucky if he puts together another great season
Like the previous 2 great seasons he’s had?
And you make this assessment (lucky?) based on what?
Relief pitchers for most part are up 1 season down next
Dude had 15 saves total the 5 years prior to last year 41 and he’s going to be 33.
Can Tatis play 1 full year before he’s big $ material
If they want to dump some contract money they are going to have to part with gore possibly Patino also
I like Meyers and gore to mariners for Haniger and Mallex Smith
That helps with Meyers problem they gain an all star out fielder and an center fielder to replace Margot and its not the money that betts would cost
center fielder to replace Margot
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Why would the Padres want to replace Margot with Mallex? They’re kind of identical players, and Margot probably still has some upside development to him.
Ain’t gonna happen.
No teams taking on bad contracts unless it’s Tatis or Paddack enough with nonsense