As we wait for the day’s avalanche of transactions to be triggered, let’s take a look at a few stray notes from around the game …
- The MLB plan to dramatically reshape the minor-league landscape has unsurprisingly created strong reactions in localities around the country. Now, there’s a growing push-back on the national level, as Claire Bessette of Connecticut outlet The Day reports. A large group of congressmen has already written a letter of concern, prompting a rejoinder from the league. It’s not clear at this point whether there’s any possibility of concerted federal action, let alone what that might look like, but there appears to be the makings of a coordinated effort by those impacted to pool resources. Those interested in learning more should also check out J.J. Cooper’s take at Baseball America.
- Orlando Magic co-founder Pat Williams announced his intentions to spearhead an Orlando-area MLB franchise. Joe Kepner of WFTV is tracking the story on his Twitter feed. The initial name (Orlando Dreamers) and logo mock-ups are not especially encouraging, to be frank, but it’s only a starting point. There isn’t really much in the way of specifics at the moment and it’s not clear whether this effort will gain any traction. Williams says it’d be premature to consider a location for a ballpark, for instance, so clearly any sustained push is a ways off.
- There are a few current MLB teams that can explain how sticky stadium situations can be (though others have made out just fine). The Angels have had quite a lot of stability for a long period of time but have also been engaged in a sometimes-tense negotiation with the city of Anaheim. Now, as Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times reports, there’s an end-of-year deadline for a decision whether to opt out of the remaining decade on the Angel Stadium lease. While there isn’t much time left until that stopping point, however, Shaikin explains that nobody appears to be very concerned. If a mutually agreeable deal hasn’t been finalized, an extension can simply be sorted out. All indications remain that the Halos will stay home.
- Feel like MLB free agency is moving slowly? You’re not alone. Korean fans are also feeling the freeze, as Kang Yoo-Rim wrote recently in the Joongang Daily. It seems there are some KBO-specific factors that are influencing the situation there, including a free agent class full of older players and the restrictive rules regarding signings of other teams’ players. But one also wonders whether the lack of movement from MLB teams is also a factor. Forget about the major free agents; this is about the players seeking the best possible opportunities to earn some money while they are still in their prime. Few such players have secured non-roster invitations or small MLB contracts to this point of the winter, so KBO teams are perhaps not yet sure how best to maximize their money and limited foreign-player roster spots.
DarkSide830
The MLB does not need to water the Florida market down anymore. when will pro sports leagues learn that the Florida market isnt as big as they think?
jdgoat
Narrator
“They won’t”
dimelotitony
Actually I live in Orlando,FL and a Pro Baseball team will flourish more than in Tampa or Miami because you have more Baseball Fans in the city of Orlando and on top of that the Tourists that visit for Disney don’t discount them getting tickets to watch a ballgame , Tampa is just not geographically ideal at all and Miami is a party town with no fans really interested again here in Orlando you have more basseball fans that most of us would welcome an MLB TEAM.
Priggs89
So take one of those 2 teams. Adding another one would be ridiculous.
And I’ll discount Disney tourists going to a baseball game. You might get a few, but I don’t think it’d be anything substantial. People are going to Disney for a reason, and it’s not to watch a baseball game.
dimelotitony
Yes move the Rays then but for those discounting thinking that tourists won’t visit because they are here for disney is far from the truth there are a lot of transplanted New Yorkers in Orlando and therefore families from NYC come to visit them and if a baseball team was here with the high percentage of Dominicans,Venezuelans,Colombians and Puerto Ricans residing in Orlando,FL baseball attendance will flourish. .
deweybelongsinthehall
A true test for a market is how they support a franchise when the team is lousy. Neither Tampa nor Miami have consistently supported the MLB teams. Too bad because so many other communities would love a team that consistently out performs expectations like Tampa.
GeoKaplan
The spillover from Disneyland to Angels is negligible, especially considering the extortionate pricing at the parks.
Priggs89
“but for those discounting thinking that tourists won’t visit because they are here for disney is far from the truth there are a lot of transplanted New Yorkers in Orlando and therefore families from NYC come to visit them and if a baseball team was here with the high percentage of Dominicans,Venezuelans,Colombians and Puerto Ricans residing in Orlando,FL baseball attendance will flourish.”
Those are two significantly different things you’re talking about now… Those aren’t tourists visiting Disney; those are people visiting family.
You probably have a different perspective because you live there, but as someone from out of town with a 2 year old daughter and another on the way, I can assure you that baseball wouldn’t even make it onto a Disney checklist. I’d be willing to bet most families that are planning a Disney trip would feel the exact same way. There’s just way too much other stuff the kids would love to do at Disney.
Rob66
Right, one florida team is enough.
stan lee the manly
In addition to the comments already here, relying on tourists to support a sports franchise is a terrible recipe for success. Franchises thrive when people become PERMANENT fans and it begins to get passed down over generations. How many of those travelers will catch a game, fly back to Iowa, then go out and pay for an MLB TV subscription and buy some Orlando Dreamers gear? Next to none.
Without a passionate fanbase, your team will be doomed to stagnate. You don’t even have to look very far across the state for two great examples of that.
elgarysanchino24
I agree ☝️ Dimelotitony is correct I live in Sarasota and getting to the Trop and parking is not very Fan Friendly and if the Team in Orlando was connected to a Rivalry with a New York team would Help cause The Trop is a Terrible place for Baseball with all the Crosswalks is a Toilet bowl and The Rays fans are Rude and The Cowbells all the Time suck either build The Rays a New Stadium or move them to Orlando and put a New Stadium close or within Disney and That team would Flourish for Sure
antibelt
Trop was VERY fan friendly. The surrounding community was full of bars and restaurants. Been to almost every stadium, the St. Petersburg area is underrated.
disadvantage
Agreed. I go to Disneyland quite often, yet have never been to an Angels game even though they are only like 10 minutes apart. If I am going to drop money on Disney, I am going to try to get my money’s worth.
I am not representative of all Disney goers, but I am sure I am not in the minority either.
DarkSide830
by all means then they should just move one of those teams to Orlando. the problem is it seems there are not very large fanbases for Tampa or Miami as it is, and just adding another team within the state worsens the financial situations of these two teams.
Koamalu
Tampa has a huge fanbase. Their stadium is in an extremely hard place to get to, it can take 1.5 hours from Tampa or Clearwater to get to the park, and once you get there the area around the park is not good and the stadium itself is downright horrible.
Would you leave your house at 5pm just to get to a 7pm game at the Trop?
Michael Birks
I live in Orlando and I stopped driving to St Pete for games several years ago due to the traffic/travel time….If they brought a ball club to Orlando I would probably go to a few games, probably only win my favorite team is in town though….If I had my druthers, we would have a higher level minor-league team instead
jd396
This is a tweaked version of the reasons cited as to why MLB quality baseball will flourish in Tampa and Miami
eyesaiah
agree
eyesaiah
orlando is definitely ready for a MLB team
AlvaroEspinoza 2
Miami = 5.5M people
Tampa = 2.5M
Orlando = 1.5M
bostonbob
Aside from what priggs stated there is the convention crowd. They bring 20-30 THOUSAND per week. Orlando would be able to support a team. Btw, in my opinion, me thinks Miami wants to go to Vegas anyway.
Koamalu
What matters for baseball is not population, its TV DMA rankings. The number of TV households.
mediatracks.com/resources/nielsen-dma-rankings-202…
Tampa is #12, Miami is #16, and Orlando is #`18.
The Rays own the Orlando TV area.
Michael Birks
In 1995 maybe, the latest population for Orlando, meaning greater Orlando was 2.1 million last year
Michael Birks
I don’t think that the Orlando team happens unless they move the Rays,Which makes no sense
Vin Scully
I understand you really hope a team will come to your city. But do you have any research to support your claim Disneyland attendees would help augment an Orlando team’s attendance? Does it work that way for the Magic?
I have been to many games in Anaheim and I have never seen anyone wearing Mouse Ears in the stands.
Michael Birks
I think depending on where the stadium is would have a big affect on cross attendance, I haven’t heard anything about site plans, and it was on the news this morning when I got up
Koamalu
Tampa Bay area had one of the highest per capita attendance at professional baseball games of any area. It just wasn’t at the Trop because its in a bad location in St Pete and its a horrible place to watch a baseball game. Tampa Bay area has many minor league teams and they set records for attendance in 2019.
Build a ballpark in Tampa, maybe next to the Bucs stadium, and the team will flourish there. Tampa Bay Rays already own the TV rights to the Orlando area, so its not likely MLB allows another team there,
trout27
You would think that Disney could have deals with a baseball team but don’t count on it. When Disney owned the Angels they were run separately from the Park and really gained nothing from Disney.
lowtalker1
Lol water the market ?
Isn’t two teams already doing that?
DarkSide830
it is, that’s my point. ive heard several times of people saying that for whatever reason, Florida residants dont watch sports games. now, there are probably enough to support two teams, (if one isnt irrelevant and the other perpetually ignored) but three is crazy. why the other sports leagues do it i dont know, but its not like most Florida pro sports teams are world-class. (heck, even the Lightning screwed up a historic season in a royal fasion)
Koamalu
The Tampa Bay area had one of the highest per capita attendance at professional baseball games of any metro area in the nation. Most of that was at minor league games.
The Trop is in a hard to get to area, its not a nice area once you get there, and the Trop itself is an abomination of a stadium. Would you drive 1.5 hours to see your favorite team play if the stadium was as bad as the Trop?
70% of the population of the Tampa Bay area is at least an hour away from the Trop. Not because of distance, because of traffic to where the stadium is. Google it and put in the time of day you would be travelling to the stadium. From Clearwater is 21-22 miles and on most days its 1 Hr 10 min to 1 Hr 20 min to get there. Depending on where you are in Tampa it can take anywhere from an hour to 1 hr 30 min. And that is if there are no accidents on any number of bridges you have to cross.
The ballpark needs to be in Tampa.
prov356
I disagree Koamalu. The ballpark needs to be in Nashville.
Michael Birks
Being from Orlando, I would definitely go to more Tampa Bay games if they move the ball park somewhere near the casino or fairgrounds, anything to not have to deal with 275
Yeetus
The idea of having an MLB team in Orlando is MORONIC. Tampa Bay struggles to get the stadium half full as a playoff team. Derek Cheater and the Marlins are in rapid decline. Marlins will be bankrupt soon. And the solution is a third florida team? MORONIC
MoRivera 1999
Spam from another article in which this comment was posted verbatim by the same misinformed 9-y-old liar.
Black Ace57
It also is a market with a lot of transplants who still root for their old teams so it is even smaller than it appears.
Sports
The Rays should move to Orlando, get their new stadium. Win win
realgone2
Makes sense
kylelohse
As a Rays fan living in Tampa, I’d rather they relocate to Hillsborough county, but I’d take Orlando vs. Montreal.
datrain021
If MLB wants to cut minor league teams, they should start with FSL teams and teams with multiple complex league teams. They could move some short season teams up to replace the FSL teams, and I’m not against moving some markets up and down. But instead of cutting 42 teams, keep SS-A level, promote most adv-R teams to SS-A, and cut 12 teams, mostly in the FSL, instead.
ScottCFA
SS is two levels below A Advanced. And why would you eliminate some A Adv. teams (those in the FSL) and not the entire layer? For what it’s worth, I would consolidate A and A Advanced (low A and high A as I call them) and eliminate an entire layer.
DarkSide830
id remove shortseason-A and all but 30 rookie ball teams if anything. id rather the system stay as it is, but short-season A and multiple rookie ball levels are redundant.
jd396
That’s what Florida needs, a third venue for people to watch their favorite team play a road game.
1738hotlinebling
Rays should’ve moved to Orlando a long time ago
CKinSTL
Expansion of the league does not seem too likely.. but perhaps something makes more sense based on how they restructure the MiLB.
Regardless of expansion or relocating.. where do you all think are good new markets for MLB teams? Orlando? Austin? Montreal? PR?
prov356
Nashville is pushing for a team.
amk3510
A delusional man declaring his attempt to form the Orlando Dreamers with a softball looking logo is not how I expected to start my morning.
jorge78
LOL!
dirkg
The Angel’s aren’t going anywhere. Residents voted in Harry Sidhu as Anaheim mayor to work with Disney and the Angel’s to keep them happy in Anaheim. The former mayor, Tom Tait, although a nice man, was leary of corporate influence in Anaheim and many would say it was to a fault. He did not have good relations with Disney nor the Angels.
realgone2
That looks like a name/logo designed for Super Bases Loaded for Super Nintendo
Atlanta Amoebas
Washington Weasels
Hawaii Islanders
Orlando Dreamers
athleticsnchill
A team in Hawaii would suck. That would completely destroy the season’s travel schedule.
Ry.the.Stunner
It would also suck for mainland fans on the east coast. West coast games already start at 10:05 EST; games played in Hawaii would start at midnight.
its_happening
Orlando would work. Heck, Tampa would work if they weren’t on an island in St Petes. I’d take a summer flight to Orlando to watch the Blue Jays. Cheap flights from Buffalo.
exposfan 2
#bringbacktheexpos
its_happening
Have the Expos be a AAA team since the city’s attendance was barely minor league.
GeoKaplan
That’s an unfair assessment of the Expos. The team drew a million or more between 1976-1991, and in excess of 2M a half dozen of those years. The problem was ownership, with the Bronfman family bailing when free agency got too rich for their taste, and the two ownership groups which followed—the second was Jeffrey Loria, who would later flip his ownership for the Marlins, and ruin that franchise, too—lacked the stomach to be in the game. The product on the field represented the lack of capital in ownership, and the fans stopped coming. That isn’t a knock on the citizens of Montreal, who are otherwise great fans of the game.
its_happening
Expos drew below league average from 1983 onward.
Below a million fans in attendance numerous years.
More Expos fans outside of Montreal than Montreal.
Not an unfair assessment. The city is poorly run. Province is heavily in-debt. They do not deserve an MLB franchise or even a new stadium. Give them a AAA team. If they don’t support a AAA team then they shouldn’t have an MLB team.
GeoKaplan
And in 1979-83 the Expos drew more fans annually than the Mets, Phillies, Cubs, or Cardinals.
The problem with the franchise was it was mismanaged and underfunded. The revenue sharing and windfall from TV and electronic media didn’t exist then. The fans gave up because ownership gave up. The owner after Bronfman wanted to build new stadium (because Olympic Stadium wasn’t ideal for baseball), but the City hadn’t yet paid off the Olympics from two decades prior. Loria tried to sucker others into paying for a new facility, and the franchise spent its final years before moving to DC by playing some of its season in Puerto Rico. Loria had long ago bungled away the English-language radio rights, and the fans could feel no enthusiasm from ownership. Loria eventually flipped his ownership to MLB, so he could buy the Marlins…and we all know how well that worked out.
jorge78
They would need a new stadium. The current one is not baseball friendly…..
5toolMVP
Orlando Rays!
Montreal Marlins or Portland Marlins
Montreal got hosed losing the Expos but they need a modern unique 32-38k seat baseball only ballpark before any team goes back.
Portland always seems to come up as a new MLB city, maybe it’s better as a expansion location.
realgone2
I just had a friend visit some old pals in portland. He said that baseball would do awful there.
GeoKaplan
Sounds about right. There is the small matter of being in the Mariners home market, which means the team would need to be NL, which means realignment the NL West and more compensatory money paid out to the team leaving NL West. And the city would need to build a retractable-roof stadium, which promises all kinds of city drama and ballot measures.
Let’s just not.
realgone2
Also, there is nowhere to park in the city (other than privately owned parking garages). It’s all public transportation. My friend added that it was mostly hippies and hipsters. Doesn’t seem like a baseball crowd.
5toolMVP
@realgone yeah, I think you’re right.
jorge78
Don’t know the politics in Portland. Isn’t it socialist?
Koamalu
Portland is a fantastic baseball market. The AAA team averaged 9-10k in attendance and the soccer and basketball teams play to capacity crowds every night. The only reason the Beavers folded was the city chose to renovate Civic Stadium into a soccer only venue.
The short season Hillsboro Hops averaged 3.5k per game this season. There are lots of baseball fans in the Portland area.
They already have a group there today for a ballpark that would be 100% privately financed. portlanddiamondproject.com/
Portland is a huge TV market and does not belong to the Mariners. It is 3 hours away from Seattle.
MoRivera 1999
Well said, Koamalu. Keep bringing the facts. They’re obviously much needed.
its_happening
Montreal Expos. They can be the Mets AAA farm club. Montreal can have baseball back but not at the MLB level until they prove they can support baseball.
Nashville Marlins.
5toolMVP
1994? Maybe I’m wrong but the Expos were doing well and supported then greed locked the season. Montreal was left with a bitter taste after that and baseball faded away.
its_happening
Expos still drew below average attendance in 1994.
FishyHalo
I would love for the Angels to move down to Tustin.
We need a new ballpark or a major remodel. Angels stadium is not aging well.
trout27
The best location would be in the parking lot of the Big A, this way they have a place to play while the new Big A is built.
Rob66
Orlando Ogres? Orlando Orangutan;s. Orlando Ospreys? Maybe would compare well to Tampa Rays
realgone2
Orlando Orals.
jorge78
The links to Baseball America are not working. Is it subscription only?
DarkSide830
yes
jorge78
Isn’t it going to cost MLB a small fortune to buy out those clubs?
Koamalu
It will cost the owners nothing. The agreement between MILB and MLB is up for negotiation along with the CBA for major league players.
They can just decide that they are cutting them and that is it. No recourse. 5000+ people, not including players and coaching staffs, out of a job.
All so billionaire owners can save a few dollars.
Rangers29
I’d love to see Austin with a Mlb team, since we also just got a pro soccer team. I think Austin needs anything to wash the taste of U.T games out of our mouths sometimes.
I know there is RR express, but they are AAA, so if you want, the RR express could be a major league team.
dcrising
Orlando Dreamers? Can they not do better? What would the mascot be? A person sleeping?
athleticsnchill
Return of Youppie wearing his night clothes?
angt222
Curious if these plans to restructure MiLB is to have a better hand at negotiating to add 2 new MLB franchises. If that occurs, some of the MiLB teams would likely be chosen to be farm teams and more minor league players will be signed to fill the rosters from MLB to A ball. There’s been talk about adding two MLB teams and have an even 16 team split in the AL/NL which would eliminate the need for season round inter league play and create four-four team divisions per league like in the NFL. Also feel MLB would add teams in cities that don’t already have a MLB team. Ex, Portland, OR and/or Memphis, TN.
Matt Galvin
Orlando has Cracker Jack Stadium no need to build one and also Camping World to. Dallas,New Orleans,where Colts play and so on.
pjmcnu
Omg, hasn’t MLB learned it’s lesson on Florida-based clubs? Orlando is a minor league city in every sense of the phrase, and shouldn’t even be considered. Unless they want to try “Orlando Rays” for a bit, before a permanent release from baseball purgatory.