Nov. 18: The Pirates have formally announced the hiring of Cherington as general manager.
“This is an important step forward for our organization,” owner Bob Nutting said in a press release. “Ben has an incredible track record of success having been a part of three World Championship teams in Boston, one as General Manager, and setting the table for a fourth. His passion and ability to identify, infuse and develop talent at every level, including at the Major League level, is exactly what we need to be successful in Pittsburgh.”
Nov. 15: Former Red Sox general manager and current Blue Jays senior vice president of baseball operations Ben Cherington has accepted an offer to become the next GM of the Pirates, Jason Mackey of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports (via Twitter). Mackey reported last night that Cherington had been offered the position but had yet to accept or reach an agreement. Once officially announced as the replacement for the recently fired Neal Huntington, Cherington will quickly turn his attention to finding a replacement for manager Clint Hurdle, who was also fired following the 2019 season.
It’s been more than four years since Cherington resigned as general manager in Boston. Cherington was under contract for at least one more season when the Red Sox brought Dave Dombrowski aboard as the new president of baseball operations, and although he was offered the opportunity to retain his GM role, he instead opted to leave the organization. A year later he signed on with the Blue Jays to work in the role he held until accepting this new challenge.
Cherington is best remembered for serving as the key architect of the Red Sox’ 2013 World Series-winning roster. That season was preceded by whirlwind of free-agent additionsS that nearly all panned out; in the 2012-13 offseason, Boston signed Shane Victorino, Mike Napoli, Stephen Drew, Koji Uehara, Jonny Gomes, David Ross and Ryan Dempster. That flurry of moves was made possible when Cherington put together one of the most memorable blockbusters in recent history, trading Carl Crawford, Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett and Nick Punto to the Dodgers in perhaps the most prolific salary dump of all time. In making that swap, Cherington freed up a stunning $258MM of long-term payroll commitments (none of which had been issued during his time as GM).
Of course, one can’t discuss Cherington’s run in Boston without acknowledging the ill-fated moves that ultimately led the organization to bring in Dombrowski and install him at a higher rank. The Red Sox have only recently been liberated from the last vestiges of the five-year, $95MM Pablo Sandoval contract and the four-year, $88MM commitment to Hanley Ramirez that were issued in the 2014-15 offseason. Rick Porcello won a Cy Young Award in the middle of the first year of the four-year, $82.5MM extension he signed under Cherington’s watch (which didn’t take effect until the season after Cherington left the team), but in the three subsequent years he worked to a collective 4.79 ERA in 569 innings.
Suffice it to say, as is the case for any GM/president of baseball operations whose ownership provides him substantial resources, Cherington’s track record in terms of free-agent pickups and pricey contract extensions is rather hit or miss.
Where Cherington arguably excelled most, however, was in cultivating an enviable stockpile of prospect depth that helped fuel Boston’s eventual 2018 World Series title. Rafael Devers, Andrew Benintendi and Eduardo Rodriguez were acquired during Cherington’s time as GM, as were then-prospects Yoan Moncada and Michael Kopech, who headlined the return sent to the White Sox in the Chris Sale trade. Several key graduations to the Majors and trades by the Dombrowski regime have thinned out the Red Sox’ minor league depth, but Boston was considered to have an elite farm system at the time of Cherington’s departure.
More recently, with the Jays, Cherington has worked with a particular focus on the club’s player development efforts. And while a farm system is always a product of a group effort, it’s nonetheless notable that the Jays have churned out notable prospects like Bo Bichette, Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Cavan Biggio and Danny Jansen while continuing to cultivate an increasingly impressive amount of depth. That may have been one of the most appealing aspects of Cherington’s track record to the Pirates, who currently possess what is considered at best a middle-of-the road farm system (No. 15 at MLB.com and No. 20 at Baseball America).
Continued success in that area will be crucial to Cherington’s success or failure in Pittsburgh, as he’ll have only a fraction of the player personnel budget to which he was accustomed during his time as GM in Boston. The Pirates are perennially among the league’s lowest-spending clubs under owner Bob Nutting, meaning Cherington will need a deep reserve of cost-controlled talent from which to draw as he navigates the financial obstacles that accompany any low-payroll GM’s job.
The biggest offseason questions on Cherington’s roster, once the field staff is set, will be how to proceed with center fielder Starling Marte and right-hander Chris Archer. Both are controlled for another two seasons, and Archer is coming off perhaps the worst season of his career. Marte figures to be an in-demand trade asset given his consistent production and the dearth of quality center-field options on the free-agent market, while Archer could yet have considerable trade value given his raw stuff, affordable contract and a similar lack of high-end pitching targets on the trade market. Determining the right time to pull the trigger on that type of deal will become the norm for Cherington in the years to come, barring an unexpected hike in payroll from ownership.
h0wmyd0ing
Well he did so well with an unlimited budget that it gives me great confidence in his ability to build a team with hardly any resource allocation.
*eyeroll so hard I may be blind*
leefieux
This ^^^^^^^^^^
seattlesuperfan
The blue jays budget isn’t that much more of the pirates as the blue jays aren’t in contention yet he still got good players in through international signings and drafting (lower round picks due to Boston mostly winning) so yeah he won’t be able to sign a bunch of free agents but he still has been good with player development or moving assets for appropriate people unlike meadows and Glasgow for archer ijs
deweybelongsinthehall
In the past I wasn’t high on his Boston resume. I now realize ownership is likely more to blame with the excessive contracts than any Cherington or DD. Good luck with the Pirates.
xSpecBx
All indications are that he was in charge of developing a very good farm system with the Red Sox that has produced a lot of useful talent at the major league level. Hard to say who was ultimately responsible for the poor signings because neither said will throw the other under the bus, but working in a more financially constrained environment may benefit him because he most likely won’t be able to make those big signings that inheritably turned out to be poor decisions. At the same time, we all make mistakes, it just that ours are as well publicized.
Looking at what he did in the above article paints a pretty positive picture that he probably shouldn’t have been let go in the first place. He signed a lot of useful veterans for cheap deals, did well with the draft and made a couple mistakes on large signings. People do forgot too that Rick Porcello pitched lights out for the 2018 Red Sox in the playoffs.
User 4245925809
Was good for the farm system and was sad when the Sox let him go. Only problem was he just didn’t like letting go of any of the kids he was developing.. Period, opposite of his replacement. The 2 FA signings, Sandoval was easy to read as a disaster from the onset, while thought Hanley was a decent sign. Sandoval got rewarded for his WS play the previous october, nothing more which some GM’s seem to do. LA did that same thing last off season with Joe Kelly.
GarryHarris
From what’s written in this article, Ben Cherington should’ve been on more teams’ radar.
BoSox ownership has absolutely blamed Dave Dombrowski for their high payroll and heavy contracts.
Miguel’s Cabrera’s and Justin Verlander’s contracts came about when their agents, ISE Baseball, bypassed DD and went straight to the aging and then feeble Tiger owner.
Bernie's Dander
This article doesn’t even mention the Rusney Castillo debacle NOR the horrendous Pedroia extension. The Castillo deal is even worse than Panda’s deal and that is almost impossible to top.
deweybelongsinthehall
Agree with everything written above (all posters) except for the Pedie contract. Pedie took extra years at less money in what was then described as a team friendly deal. Even now, it doesn’t look bad to me for a big market club to absorb. Had he not got his knee blown out on the field, there is no doubt in my view that his on ability would have continued to out perform his paycheck. So many worse deals to mention but my typing finger is too tired…
deweybelongsinthehall
*on field
Bernie's Dander
Dewey, you are one of the best on here, but that Pedroia deal was ALWAYS going to be terrible at the end. If I could dig up my old comments for you, I knew it when it was signed. It turned out even worse than expected, though, because of injuries. Now he’s played 9 games in 2 years and will still make another $25m over the next 2 years. He’s making DJ LeMahieu money and LeMahieu almost just won the MVP! It’s a wasted opportunity to use those resources elsewhere. They never needed to give Pedroia so many years. It was another Cherington blunder.
deweybelongsinthehall
The market turned against older players but at the time, the money per year was clearly below market value and the lesser yearly average allowed for money to be spent elsewhere. Thanks for the complement Bernie. I just try to be honest even when it hurts (I continue to push Munson for the HOF with Evans and Tiant). I had another thought that you will disagree with. Bennie AND JBJ could get traded and guess who could be playing the Monster in left. Rusney Castillo. Last year and the money is the same as JBJ. Bennie should return significant pieces for the farm and a Rusney belongs in the majors.Just a thought.
Bernie's Dander
Sorry Dewey, but you will NEVER see Rusney play for the Red Sox again. He’s currently not on the 40-man roster and doesn’t count against the luxury tax. If they played him, they would take the full hit of his salary(at least that is my understanding). If the money is similar, you prefer JBJ.
Also, Rusney has barely shown much in AAA. He’s just not very good. Truly one of the worst deals of all time.
P.S. I wonder if they could similarly release Pedroia? They’d still owe the money, but he wouldn’t count against the salary cap? Hmmmm….
deweybelongsinthehall
I believe it’s only what’s left on the deal should he get on any 40 man roster. My point was with one year left, it’s JBJ money and he’ll hurt in the field but I believe will outhit JBJ so it’s a wash. JBJ and Bennie can then be traded to replenish the system somewhat. JBJ should add depth whereas Bennie will add quality. In my 2020 outfield, it’s then Castillo, Mookie, JDM and Holt who gets re-signed. Combine that with finding a taker for Price (I.e. in part for Hosmer). You take on years but pay less in 2020. The net of the above should save $10m or so based on expectations for Bennie and Holt. Such is a start on getting under the threshold this year.
Northeasternskier
There was no mention of the Castillo deal at all. I hope Ben trades for Rusney for player to be named later = :bag of balls and a maple bat
deweybelongsinthehall
Castillo remains a rich unlucky SOB. Can’t cry for him given his bank account but he has talent and is probably the biggest screw job in the last CBA. Once acknowledged, the league should have given an exemption that if Boston traded him, his contract for the receiving team only cost the league minimum and then based on other players with his seniority. Not the best solution but no player should be collateral damage. The Sox should not have benefited in a Boston uniform but for another team, he should have gotten an opportunity.
MoRivera 1999
I don’t see how JBJ brings anything back. He’s worth less than his contract.
Deleted.User
If Pablo and Hanley are any indication him not being able to sign a bunch of free agents isn’t a bad thing.
jdgoat
Good luck to Ben. I think he is going to need it because this doesn’t look to be a quick turnaround for them.
Phiilies2020
I wouldnt know where to start with that mess of a franchise. Cant trade Archer, just let ’em pitch and hope that he rebounds.
ronnsnow
Which is why Huntington was fired.
jimmertee
He watched Shapiro try to do it in Toronto, so Cherington knows what not to do….
DarkSide830
the bar is low at least. just dont make trades like the Archer one and you’re good.
User 4245925809
Archer was a head case before he was a terrible pitcher + a head case. Where do u start fixing that? Answer was leave the dude in Tampa and never trade for the guy. One has to figure why oh so many come up thru the Rays system with bad attitudes.
3Rivers
I WOULD NOT put it past someone like you, that you were prob saying to Trade for a pitcher, possibly Archer. Now, after you see see how he’s performed the last year and a half, as well as Meadows/Glasnow. lol Monday morning quarterback lol
Goku the Knowledgable One
Doesn’t take a genius to realize Meadows was a top 5 national prospect batting .400 in his first mlb action.
And Archer was a 4 ERA guy with some upside.
I was fine with trading for Archer, but completely flabbergasted when report came back Meadows was heading back… Then mind blown when Baz was PTBNL.
I’m also fine with Pirates being aggressive… When they’re in contention(never hpnd when we needed it), yet the blasphemy of all of a sudden making an aggressive trade when they’re 4 games out…
It was an obvious PR move and it failed miserably.
braves25
1st move as GM…trade Marte to Atlanta
Phiilies2020
Hes probably their best trade chip. Should benefit them with a poor free agent CF market
Goku the Knowledgable One
Marte is only making 10Mil / yr for the next 3 years..
Better give all top 8 prospects if he’s going anywhere.
Arguably the top trade chip in all of baseball.
5-tool CF making pennies on the dollar with multiple years of control.
aberdeen101
For Bryse Wilson and Contreras. The cost won’t come cheap.
braves25
@aberdeen101
It will all come down to what the Pirates want in return. I don’t think it will take Contreras.
I think Wright and Trey Harris could get it started. Obviously a little more, like another lower level pitching prospect and maybe even Inciarte if they wanted a mlb ready outfielder.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Why would they trade marte?
You can trade for him in 2 years or give up entire farm.
braves25
@Freddy H
The Pirates can’t trade him in in 2 years. He will be a free agent this time in 2021. He is only under contract for 2 more years.
The Pirates would trade him because they are not going to compete in 2020 and need to get top prospects in return for him. So trading him would be the smart decision.
smrtbusnisman04a
Extending Josh Bell should be a priority. You need to keep fans coming out.
I’ll also like to see how he rebuilds the pitching staff. Please no more scraping the bottom of the barrel for free agents
Phiilies2020
Agree with extending Bell, he was an RBI machine last year. They should at least sign a Micahel Wacha or Rick Porcello type SP
ronnsnow
Trading Josh Bell makes more sense. He’s a Boras client and will be gone soon anyway. This organization needs pitching. Osuna and Moran can fill in at 1B and be passable.
Rocket32
ronnsnow I agree. Unless the team is sold by Bell’s FA year, there’s very little chance he’s resigned anyway. Zero confidence in Nutting to ok the kind of contract it’ll take. Without spending much, I don’t see them getting a legit contender built around Bell before he walks either.
econ101
I highly disagree. Bell is not that valuable on the market. He’s had several years to learn 1B and is one of the worst defensive 1B in the league. He has not improved much at all and could very well continue to get worse. Almost every other team views him as a DH. If you extend him, you are paying a crap-ton of money for him when he’ll need to DH in a few years. Then unless he is still hitting very well, you’d never be able to get rid of his contract. WAY too much risk in a Bell extension.
I would trade him for a REALLY GOOD haul. If you can’t get a good return, then keep him until the trade deadline before he becomes a FA.
moviemang80
Disagree. Bell has had 1 good year. Now is the time to trade him because he will likely NEVER be more valuable. Do not chance injury or regression. The 1B free agent market isn’t great. Now is the time. Get the best prospects you can.
Sign Matt Adams, platoon him with Will Craig. Or let Matt Adams play first to himself and attempt to build value. We do not plan to complete next year. Be smart.
Moran could also move to first and we can bring up Hayes.
There are so many reasons to trade him AND Marte NOW to begin fixing the disaster that has become a series of very bad decisions.
I don’t think they’ll get much for Keona, but they should absolutely get rid of him as well, for whatever they can get.
Jrmomo1000
He needs to hire. Clint hurdle back.
bobtillman
I think Ben’s first move should be to trade Chris Archer to Tampa for Austin Meadows, Tyler Glassnow and Shane Baz.
UGA_Steve
This bit of sarcasm made me laugh. Sure am glad the Braves didn’t trade for him.
realgone2
i remember those Archer to Braves rumors. Almost made me puke. Very glad that never happened.
Eatdust666
lmao
kazooba
First moves… sign Hanley and Pablo and name John Farrell manager.
miltpappas
Bring back Punto!
AtlSoxFan
Although I wish him well, I only hope he acts a bit more committed/decisive in his new gig.
His biggest problem in boston was he always seems to be searching without committing to one blueprint:
One year it was promising but young hitting with experienced and dominant pitching.
Then he traded away most of the pitching, bringing in more mlb ready hitting, but was left with a poor hurling staff.
Then he sent away the hitting he traded for, and tried the heavy FA approach ie panda/hanley/etc.
If he can make a blueprint, stick to it, and withstand the temptation to tear everything apart each offseason, he may fare well
scjohn92
The decisions to sign free agent players like Sandoval and Ramirez were ownership driven, not from Cherington. (Most 9-figure commitments typically are ownership stipulated)
Jaysthoughts
He wont have the option to blow a bunch of money or trade young potential in Pittsburgh. Honestly, sounds like a perfect hire. They needed soemone that excels in drafting and development
HarveyD82
good luck Ben, there’s only so much you can do with Nutting…
its_happening
Slow teardown, slow rebuild, minimal spending means at least 6 years Cherington will be the GM unless he’s caught doing something. We will never know what impact he actually had in Toronto. The hierarchy is different from one team and another, as is the overall control from the top down. Nonetheless, good luck to Ben. He will need it.
Mario93
This gives the Blue Jays a rather nice trade partner with the Pirates with Cherington there now. If Pirates want to trade somebody, I’m sure the Blue Jays will be one of the first teams they call to unload a guy for prospects. Same way Atkins and Shapiro have a relationship with the Indians organization obviously.. Even sending Josh Donaldson there at one point. Pirates have some tradable guys, Starling Marte in particular.
its_happening
What would you give up for Marte? Asking out of curiosity since the Jays want to “spend”.
Mario93
I’m not too sure.. but I doubt it would take a lot. Reese McGuire and a solid infield prospect, since the Jays have many of those, probably gets a deal done.if Not McGuire, then one of the other catcher prospects coming up, Jays have a couple highly touted ones still coming up through the system.. One of those type of guys, and an infield prospect, not too highly touted, I think would be a fair deal. If not one true Blue chip prospect, then one very close to it, and a couple other lower touted guys Cherington likes. 3 prospects definitely gets a deal done for me.
Mario93
Me personally I wouldn’t even mind giving up a McGuire, Wageuspack (don’t see much upside with him at all) and a respectable infield prospect Cherington really likes, for two years I believe Marte is signed for. I think that’s another respectable proposal for Marte. Pirates get 11-12 years of control with McGuire who we really don’t know what he is at this point, and a depth arm in Wageuspack, and the prospect in the minors.
its_happening
I think Reese is a good start, and I believe they must put one of the OFs not named Gurriel in the deal. Won’t be Grichuk so that leaves the rest of the 5 (Fisher, Teoscar, McKinney, Alford, Davis). Then a pitching prospect.
Mario93
Yeah, makes a lot of sense. They’d get their two young controllable mlb players, and like you said the pitching prospect. Makes sense. Reese and Teoscar would be a start to a trade that the Pirates would really have to consider imo.
Scrappy2499
If he offers up Marte then Marte arguably jumps to the top of the CF market. Top tier defender, plus speed, good hit tool, two years of control with small contract. Multiple teams will be in on him…Dodgers and Atlanta for sure…Maybe a few more…No secret that the pirates could use a catcher but they know what McGuire brings to the table unless his hitting has gotten appreciably better, he wouldn’t be a center piece by any stretch.
bobveale
Exactly. His .295 in 90 ABs is an aberration for a guy who did not show that ability in the minors and who Huntington traded to Jay’s. That was a payroll driven blunder, but it does not make McGuire (or Teoacar) the center piece for Marte. Dream on.
Mario93
Maybe package prospects around the highly touted 19 year old Gabriel Moreno, catcher. They get their one blue chip, and give Cherington a couple guys he likes after that. To me, now definitely gets a deal done. Really depends which guys Cherington really likes.. a deal is there to be made though if Atkins is willing to part with a few guys.
its_happening
Mario – I’d keep Moreno. He’s about 2-3 years away. Riley Adams is the guy to deal. Moreno is the better prospect, yes. Riley could nudge his way to a September callup which is what Pitt may be looking at with their rebuild timeline; find out if the young catcher can hack it.
Jays may as well ask about Bell too, no harm in asking. Only way Archer is involved is if Pitt takes Grichuk in-return. I could stomach that.
Mario93
Yeah, I’d take my chances with Archer over Grichuk any day of the week. Even as bad as Archer has been in Pittsburgh.
Scrappy2499
If Pittsburgh looks to do a rebuild then they will look to deal Marte, Bell, and Kela…Archer would have to show he has figured things out before he is marketable. Their timeline would be about 2-3 years away with their other youngsters coming up, so Moreno would probably fit best..
its_happening
If the package included Bell, Moreno is absolutely in the deal. Pitt would want him.
joew
at least one midrage top 50 ish prospect more or less pending on if they’re trying to compete in ’20/’21
Any deal has to include a pitcher who will likely stay a starter and a defensive catcher.. any bat included is a bonus. they don’t have to be top prospects but just be likely MLB players.
EDIT: it helps Ben knows the system 🙂 so if marte is being shopped a good place to start.
TommySnodgrass
For two years of a premium Centerfielder such as Marte? . . .
Catcher: Danny Jansen
RHP: Eric Pardinho
LHP: Anthony Kay
jdgoat
That’s actually a good observation. Cherington will be very familiar with some of the young guys in Toronto’s system. There might be a couple that he really likes.
Johnny Baseball
Now that Cherington has Marte, Bell, Archer, Crick & Kela to trade with and considering that Ben was involved when the Jays signed Riley Adams I would think he may be a choice as well as lasts years top international signing Orelvis Martinez..
Dice 66
First move Marte and another to San Diego for Renfro and catcher and pitcher ! Works for me. Maybe make it
larger.
econ101
Renfroe? Not sure about that. Hedges would be awesome! THE best defensive catcher in baseball. Our pitchers could use him.
moviejay
Though the Jays will certainly have a friendly connection now in Pittsburgh, it’s a more challenging connection since their last GM was possibly the worst in MLB. After all, for only Drew Hutchison, they gave us Liriano/McGuire/Aoki, with Liriano then getting us Teoscar. We’ll never be able to fleece Cherington with that kinda deal.
its_happening
Aoki wasn’t part of that deal.
Wilford Brimley
Hmmmm… I couldn’t find him on the free agent contest, but I guessed right!
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
“So, what’s the payroll I have to work with?”
“About $75 million.”
“WOW!!! I can get some GREAT players at $75 million each!”
“Uh… no…”
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Try $45 million.
This will allow Nutting to tear down and run AAAA payrolls for another 3-4 years.
joew
Get a Pitcher( or three ), Catcher and third basement and they are likely a play off team baring major regression
Nate 16
umm….no
joew
uh.. yeah
mlb1225
That’s some hopeful thinking, but we need more than just three starters. We need to solidify the bullpen. Catcher, unless we sign Yasmani Grandal, I don’t see a much better option and I doubt Grandal wants to play in the current state the Pirates are in. Third base, same thing with Grandal. The Pirates aren’t going to be dishing out top tier money for any of Donaldson, Moustakas, or Rendon. After last year, they should just do a soft rebuild. Trade Marte for prospects who should be ready by 2021 (lest major injuries occur), sign guys like Rick Porcello, and/or Kyle Gibson as innings eaters, let guys like Keller, J.T. Brubaker, Cole Tucker get acquainted in the majors, and slowly start introducing prospects to the majors (ie. KeBryan Hayes). Assess what the situation looks like after 2020, and if things go right, they might be able to go for it in 2021.
joew
a defense first catcher like Castro would immediately improve the pitchers. Maybe not all-star caliber but better.
Getting a “not bad” starter for the 5th spot on a 2/3 year deal would help alot. Jake would’ve been perfect but he chose to stay in Minn and wait out the CBA likely. Madison is next best but that likely isn’t happening. But someone like Teheran would do as well while being cheaper. also wouldn’t block anyone unless Archer returns to Ace form (which would be great) in which case you just got an extra starter.. which is great too (assuming they wouldn’t trade him)
fair pen pitchers are a dime a dozen (good ones are expensive) if burdi comes back 100% (which IS iffy) that goes a long way. Assuming they keep Kela they would have a solid back end. resign liriano and they’re pretty much set in the pen.
Third base probably the hardest to get. Moose is the best reasonably priced option for the pirates 2/3 year deal for a power bat with average+ defense would make a huge difference. Also wouldn’t block hayes as he is probably still a year or two out if he doesn’t start hitting.
Between Castro, Tehran, Moose looking about 20-24M/year average which would keep them around the 100M +/- mark they where at a couple years ago. back load some of the deals and it makes it easier to bare to start. Or front load them so its easier to trade later if things dont work out.
add in a quality manager and coaches and bingo real chance at the playoffs.
As with Cutch, many of us (including myself) are over valuing Marte. to us he would bring in many quality prospects.. but in reality.. maybe one top 100ish prospect and a couple other lower.
IMO keep marte and make a run now, if it fails in the first half trade off these players you signed + Marte + Kela + who ever and get better prospects than you would’ve gotten before and it “only” cost you 10-15M more.
econ101
Kyle Gibson as an innings eater? He’s a bit above that designation.
Jaysthoughts
The soft rebuild is over. Cutch and cole are gone Cervelli done. Glasnow and meadows given away. Vasquez in jail. You trade marte and Bell let the young guys like Newman tucker and Reynolds play. Get some youuung quality pitchers in those trades and the full rebuild is on with the potential to be a great team in 3+ years
econ101
All the Pirates have to do:
1.) Sign Cole
2.) Sign Strasburg
3) Sign Grandal
4) Sign Rendon
5) Sign Betances
6) Sign Harris
It’s only 6 things. Problem solved. Here we come, October!!!
Bernie's Dander
They already HAD Cole and they gave him away for nothing!
baumann
A third basement?! That’s a lot of basements for one team.
TennVol
Cherington did a good job in Toronto. The zJays has excellent drafts and developed players well in his tenure. Good luck to him.
Strike Four
The Jays have had nothing but failures in their front offices from 1994 to present and no one who worked for them deserves a lick of credit. Stop doing this. You win titles first, then brag about your drafts and player development.
steelerbravenation
Pirate fans are gonna look back to this day and see the day the franchise changed for the better. One thing with Nutting as horrible of an owner as he is he doesn’t jump the gun. He gave Hunington plenty of leeway.
Look at the names associated with Cherington. Vlad jr, Bichette, Biggio, Benitindi, Devers, Rodriguez, Moncada & Kopech I don’t care to what level he played in them that is an impressive list to be associated with.
Throw in his ability to clear that salary with that deal it makes it even more impressive. Nothing he did screams to me it was him that orchestrated the Pablo signing
The worst I would give him was the Porcello extension but damn the dude won a Cy Young.
I think this guys track record is exactly what a team in the Pirates market needs to be successful.
Not sayin it’s happening overnight but I feel the Pirate fanbase finally has something to get excited about.
its_happening
Vlad was not associated with Cherington. He also signed Hanley, which is fine except he also signed Pablo while they still had Napoli and Ortiz. Kinda sounds exactly what the Jays did a few years back signing Morales, Pearce and then Bautista while they still had Smoak.
graysondecker
Smoak was below average for several years before turning it around recently, and definitely isn’t the same caliber as Napoli or Ortiz. Pearce is also a recent World Series MVP. So I don’t think that comparison is fair, especially when the comments section above made it clear that the owners forced the Sandoval and Ramirez moves.
its_happening
You are Boston, you have Napoli and Ortiz. You look for a 3B and both Hanley and Sandoval plan corners. You have to sign 1, not both. Pressure or not, you go to your owner and say you need 1 player, not 2. Owners would not green light buying two high priced players unless Cherington convinced them Hanley would be a great LF.
Smoak was below average, yet the Jays kept bringing him back. Then signed 3 DH’s to go along with Tulo at SS who needed to DH more in 2017. Back in 2017 Pearce was not a World Series MVP.
JoeBrady
Hanley was signed to play LF, so he was not in competition with Panda. The issue with Panda, imo, was that a better player in Headley was available for $12M.
Again, imo, it was the marketing department that thought they’d sell a million Panda shirts because pandas are cute. Unfortunately, this panda was 50+ pounds overweight. And apparently carried a cell phone while he was playing, and still using a belt he used in HS.
But the ultimate insult was when the FO announced that Panda was down to 17% body fat. Joey happy. Until Joey saw him. I’m probably 25% body fat, and Panda had 40 pounds on me. 17%? Just how stupid did the FO think I was?
steelerbravenation
I am not expecting a big offseason maybe some bounce back candidate cheap free agents to move at the deadline. Use the 1st half for Archer to reestablish himself no reason to move him now at such low trade value. I see him & Marte as big pieces at the deadline with Bell bring a blockbuster next offseason.
econ101
Bell is not going to bring a blockbuster.
econ101
There is no justifiable reason to keep Marte at this point. He is too valuable to too many teams and he isn’t going to carry this team to the playoffs in the next couple years. Attendance is not a good reason, either. I don’t believe Marte is or will make that big a difference in attendance.
ATL, PHI, NYM, STL, SD, SF, TOR, CLE, CWS, TEX, OAK, SEA, and LAA could all use Marte to some significant degree–some more than others. Narrow that field down to the ones with an abundance of pitching and top prospects and see what you can do.
Down with OBP
Was Cherington even around for those Jays picks/signings?
youngTank15
Yes he was, no need to bash him.
shortytallz
Bing cherries for everyone!
isa408
The first thing he needs to do is to expand and develop the group that finds and evaluates talent. Much like Oakland did a few years back. He can’t afford contract mistakes.
angt222
Now they can focus on hiring their new Manager
toddomatic
I’m definitely more interested in the manager hire. I feel like that has been the biggest hurdle the past few years. (see what I did there?) Huntington did a fairly good job of bringing in talent, and even developed that talent really well – up until they hit the majors. If Cole, Glasnow, etc can’t have success at the major league level, is that really the GMs fault? If guys with that kind of talent struggled under the Pirates coaching, it’s hard to really evaluate the current remaining staff. If Joe Musgrove was traded to the Rays, would it shock me if he turned into the next stud pitcher? Not really anymore. Hoping they can bring in a coaching staff that can get something out of these guys that Searage and Hurdle couldn’t.
The new GM is exciting though. Was reading an article about Russell Martin wanting to play next year, and thought “typical Pirates move”. …but now, I don’t really know what a typical Pirates move is with Cherington. Refreshing to try something different. Just hope it’s not a complete rebuild. Newman, Reynolds, Marte, Bell, Polanco is a pretty solid start to any lineup. I don’t know that they are that far off from being competitive.
Jim Carter
Looks like the Pirates quickly gave up on the notion of letting Dan Duquette have another shot as a GM. Maybe he’ll make another comeback in 9 or 10 years.
JoeBrady
9-10 years? Maybe. By that time, all his Baltimore mistakes should be forgotten and be back to .500.
miltpappas
For the most part, Cherington did a good job in Boston until he went into full-panic mode to try and get the Sox out of the cellar and signed Ramirez and Sandoval. Most people who knew anything about the game knew the Panda singing was atrocious.
MoRivera 1999
Atrocious you say? What do you have against singing Panda’s?
steelerbravenation
The Panda signing was straight up ownership. They looked at those silly hats the Giants were selling and $$$$ signs ran thru their heads.
Hanley was a SS so I can understand the thought process in thinking he could transition to the OF.
JoeBrady
Same here. The idea that Hanley could be converted from an aging SS to a decent LF should have worked.
But no real BB person should’ve thought Panda would work out. He was already in a fast decline, and he had about one step in any direction around 3rd. 50 pounds overweight, extremely slow on the bases, no lateral quickness, and a .739 OPS in SF.
That’s the help-wanted ad in my local slo-pitcher softball beer league.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Seems like as good a hire as they could hope for.
Mystery Team
Good for Ben I’m glad to see him get another shot at building a team. He got a raw deal in Boston, they blamed him for everything when in reality it was the fault of ownership that they spent crazy money on Sandoval and Ramirez. This guy helped build what at the time was the best farm system in the game which Dave Dombrowski promptly ran through and destroyed en route to a title and his subsequent firing for the team being in shambles.
DarkSide830
excellent choice
army123456
Here we go. “Hit or miss season”..
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Bucs need Cherington to do a Houdini act and turn Marte into a pot of gold.
driftcat28 2
Good for Cherrington, I hope he finds great success in Pittsburgh
charlesk
Ben Cherington’s record as Red Sox GM (2011-15) and Blue Jays VP (2016-19):
2012 5th place
2013 World Series Champions
2014 5th place
2015 5th place (he left the Red Sox after David Dombrowski was hired that August)
2017 4th place
2018 4th place
2019 4th place
KermitJagger
Kind of irrelevant in a vacuum, especially considering what great improvements he made to a Jay’s franchise in poor shape.
its_happening
We cannot assess what Cherington did. Why should he be given any credit for things we cannot factually prove he did?
Phiilies2020
No surprise here. Good luck cleaning up that mess in Piitsburg. We’ll take Marte off your hands, Ben.
retire21
Add an “h” and subtract an “i” lol.
KermitJagger
I don’t know if you have the pieces required to obtain him.
DonB34
As a Phillies fan in Pittsburgh, I wouldn’t want Marte. He’s been league average or worse since moving to center field. He makes dumb plays in the field and on the base path. He is super streaky. I would say the majority of his home runs come when the Pirates are already ahead and are just add on homers against the back of the bullpen. He does that stupid fake-a-bunt-and go-down-0-1 thing that Jean Segura does all the time. He swings at anything….. the guy walked 25 times last year. That’s once per week! His OPS is not what you want from an alleged superstar. He’s definitely a guy that puts himself above the team, and he’s not always engaged. You’d give up prospects for him plus a decent salary. You might be better picking up Brett Gardner for way less money and no prospects. Not to mention Marte is probably older than 31, which is what his MLB info says.
bobtillman
Cherrington’s success in player acquisition is a bit overblown. Draft-wise, it’s not like everybody didn’t know who Benintendi was (or Kopeck, for that matter); they went pretty much where they was rated. On the international front, he just threw money around like the ephemeral drunken sailor, back in the days when you could do those things. Overall, it’s “meh” at best.
To be fair, you can criticize the Free Agent signings, but I’d agree much of them were ownership-inspired. And he deserves GREAT credit for the Dodger swap, his shining moment.
There’s nothing especially wrong with the hire; neither is there anything exciting. But Nutting bought himself another 2 years of mediocrity (or worse) while the new guy “makes all these dramatic changes” in the “Pirates Way”. Mediocrity or worse is a very profitable thing.
LordD99
Strong hire based on where the Pirates are now. Appreciates a strong farm, something the Pirates require. Zero chance he ever would have traded his young talent for Archer. Before he became GM he was a key part of the Red Sox farm rebuild, even though Red Sox fans refuse to acknowledge that. As GM, his midrange free agent signings led to a World Series title. His main failure there was a couple of big name free agents—Pablo and Hanley—an issue most GMs face. He won’t have the opportunity for those type of big signings for the Pirates. He’s improved the Blue Jays farm/development since he joined. He’ll operationalize and modernize the Pirates approach. About as good a hire the Pirates could hope for. And, no, I’m not a Pirates fan.
slider32
This is one of the toughest jobs in baseball, I’m not expecting a quick turn around here. I would put them on a 5 year plan like the O’s and Marlins.
extreme113
Pirate fans – what’s your feelings w/John Farrell probably being your next manager?
KermitJagger
Source? I don’t see anyone saying this. Sure, you can connect those dots given their prior relationship but it doesn’t mean anything given how different the Pirates’ situation is compared to the Red Sox.
bobtillman
I can’t see Farrell there. John’s probably one of the brighter guys around, but the skills may be best suited to (actually where he started, after he quit playing) the Front Office.
How about giving Joey Cora a shot? The game knowledge is obviously there; it was there when he played. And he certainly has the people skills, an area Farrell doesn’t seem to rank highly in.
KermitJagger
I think we need a fresh start across the board. Cora seems good but I’d prefer fresh perspectives.
phamdownbytheriver
Please…that’ll take him off of third base which no doubt will translate into a NL Central championship.
frontdeskmike
The photo of Ben shows him holding an imaginary bazooka.
Robertowannabe
The local sports media is already looking for reasons to bash Cherrington. They were already saying that he had to get into specifics of what his plans are for player movement and what the spending would be. If he did not say exactly what he intended to do, he would be instantly viewed as failure by all.
storox76
Yeah, I am certain that every leader gives away their strategies at press conferences. This is actually par for the course for PGH media and sports fans. Most are still sitting in the local dive bar talking about the good old days of hiding from the foremen and sleeping at the mill and angry with the Japanese for making cheaper steel.
Robertowannabe
I was laughing as I was listening to the talking heads demanding team strategies to be publicly announced for all to hear.. Makes total sense to do that and then not be able to maximize the return when a trade is made.
PS I know a lot of those people to which you describe. It was their god given right to sleep on the job and how dare those evil execs close their unprofitable plant.
retire21
The beaches of Normandy and other areas were stormed by LSTs built in western PA by these guys “sleeping on the job” as you put it. Many factors went into the decline of the steel industry. Bash unions and their men and women somewhere else. These groups have done infinitely more for the world than the so-called “unions” in sports. Please.
dewssox79
im sick of seeing this guys face on here
charlesk
No big loss. His Red Sox teams finished dead last 4/5 seasons and the Jays finished fourth in each of his three seasons in Toronto. Unless he learned what NOT to do from studying Shapiro and Atkins, he’s another one of those guys claiming to be a “player development” expert without it translating to wins on the field until years after he’s been fired!