The Padres will attempt to work out a long-term deal with budding superstar Fernando Tatis Jr., according to Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune. The timing of negotiations and the organization’s spending tolerances aren’t known, but it seems the club will make a real push to agree to terms before the start of the 2020 season.
Tatis is exceptionally youthful; he won’t celebrate his 21st birthday until the new year. And he’s exceptionally talented, as evidenced by a thrilling rookie campaign. The debut effort was cut short by injury, but not before Tatis turned in 372 innings of .317/.379/.590 hitting with 22 home runs and a boat load of highlight reel contributions. He could stand to smooth out his glovework and cut back on the strikeouts, but that showing was a full-blown success regardless.
At this time last year, you could’ve said many of the same things about precocious Braves slugger Ronald Acuna Jr., who ended up signing a stunning $100MM extension that gave the team control over ten seasons of likely superstardom. That pact entered an unprecedented realm for early-career contracts, but it was also arguably the easiest nine-figure deal ever signed by a professional baseball team.
Acee rightly notes the Acuna contract as a highly relevant comp in the case of Tatis. No doubt the team will try to frame it as a ceiling, or at worst a direct comp, while nudging Tatis back down toward the other major contracts inked by burgeoning young stars last winter — the $43MM deal between Eloy Jimenez and the White Sox and the $35MM agreement the Braves scored with Ozzie Albies.
But there’s no question Tatis belongs in the Acuna stratosphere as a player. And his reps at MVP Sports can make an argument that he ought to earn more — supposing his injury woes are just a blip, at least. First and foremost, the Acuna contract doesn’t need to function in any way to limit what Tatis can and should demand for his own services. If he’s interested in a deal, Tatis can do his own math on his future free agent earnings and whether and how he’s willing to discount them. It’s eminently arguable that Acuna is undercompensated for his immense ability; Tatis doesn’t need to make the same bargain.
Then there’s the fact that Tatis is a season ahead in the service-time game than Acuna was this time last year, owing to the Friars’ decision to put him on the Opening Day roster in 2020. That surprising decision by the San Diego organization last spring was a notable gambit that could factor heavily in this new contract push. It gave leverage to Tatis, who’s a full year closer to the open market than he would have been had the team waited a few weeks to call him up. But the risky ploy may also have been part of the team’s now-evident effort to do everything it can to ensconce Tatis as a franchise-defining star for the bulk of his career. The goodwill generated by the on-time promotion might help the team secure a monster contract that’s laden with value for the organization. The tens of millions more it could in theory cost to get the deal done? That’s secondary to the ability to complete such a pact with a player of this kind.
ForestCobraAL
Hard to believe a guy could play next to Machado and then sign himself away for twenty-five cents on the dollar.
DarkSide830
agreed. dont know why Tatis wouldn’t look at Machado and say “that could be me in a few years.”
chris5
Also agreed but I don’t know why Tatis wouldn’t look at plenty of other former early standouts who didn’t pan out and ended up with very little in the MLB sense (e.g. Chris Coghlan). Have to consider both sides.
Black Ace57
Lol Coghlan was nowhere near the prospect Tatis was bad comparison.
findingnimmo
Exactly. Machado almost ended his career twice with knee issues. He has two more seasons like he just did and then a Troy tulo comparison comes to mind. Dude is 21, take 130 mil over ten years kinda a deal, set ur life up forever and ever, and bet on continued success and a 400 mil contract at age 31 (inflation) and ur golden. Plus u give urself the chance to win a ring by not destroying the bank of the Padres.
cubsfanbudman1908
Zero chance he goes 10 for $130 (I know it’s an example). Arbitration earning would probably put him close to that in less time, if he turns out to be the real deal.
Col_chestbridge
3 arb years will in no way get him to 130. The top arb contract of all time is barely over $20m. And that’s a third time through. You can argue he’s a generational talent and would probably set records, but even that would put him on a track of 12- 20 -30 per for those 3 trips, plus about a million more in pre arb. 63 total there, would less than half of that 130.
The only real question is do you want to give away 4 free agent years and go into free agency much older for that security. And that is pretty much just a question of Tatis’ level of comfort.
Priggs89
Or he could be smart and take a deal 8 years or less, set himself up forever, and still hit free agency before he turns 30. Anyone trying to hit free agency after they turn 30 hasn’t been paying attention.
nowheretogobutup
The optimum word here is IF he turns out to be the real deal and can stay healthy he does no one any good if he’s on the IL half the season, He has to learn to prevent some of these injuries, if he plays all out every game more than likely he will be damaged goods for years.
amk3510
Tatis is not like the other early standouts. Comparing him to Coghlan is an insult.
Show Me Your Tatis
Why not? Acuña and Jimenez didn’t get close to that and they signed their extensions AFTER their teams messed with their service times. If Tatis gets more than them it would be a major indictment of Preller’s inability to sign key players on his terms.
Padres458
Hes gonna make 130m in 3 arb years?
padreshave32yrstobestdodger1stwswin
1) Rookie Mike Trout. 2) Rookie Fernando Tatis Jr. Everyone else is cannon fodder.
Pads Fans
Even if he turns out to be the Mookie Betts of shortstops he will not earn $130 million over the next 5 seasons. Tatis has one season of service time so compare his potential earning to Betts over the past 4 seasons + 2020.
2020 – 27-28 million
2019 – 20 million
2018 – 10.5 million
2017 – .950 million
2016 – .540 million
Assuming Betts gets $28 million in 2020, that is just $59.9 million for the highest earning pre-arb and arb player ever.
redsfan48
I will attempt to be a billionaire. I think I have a better shot at achieving my goal than the Padres
AtlSoxFan
There’s also no way the “goodwill” from the callup makes the guy and his agent give away the farm.
If anything, I’d expect some complicated language prohibiting a QO or its successor/equivalent saying that at contract end tatis is an unrestricted and unencumbered free agent regardless of options or mechanisms part of successor CBAs.
Who knows, maybe there’s a surprise.
But for a team without payroll to cover a FA, and so little room to absorb trade salary, it sounds ALOT like Preller is going down a checklist:
– impact FA? Can’t afford.
– trade for impact? Can’t absorb salary and there’s no sucker to take myers and free room.
– let’s try a fan friendly extension? (Expected outcome, circle back to $ problem and players saying we’re not stupid, it’ll cost more)
max57
How do you figure they can’t afford more? Revenue last year was $277m.
AtlSoxFan
Other articles this offseason have said they expect total payroll to top out in the 130-140m range
Pads Fans
The Padres are at about $112-114 million including arbitration raises as of today without moving Myers or adding any additional salaries. That would indicate they have $26 million to spend and still be under $140 million.
If they eat half of Myers contract that gives them another $10 million per season to spend. $36 million is definitely enough to add an impact player and a couple of valuable veterans.
MrStealYoBase
max57: There are a lot of operating cost associated with running a major league team so it’s not like spending $277M on payroll would be breakeven. The breakeven point for most major league teams is about 55% of revenue on payroll. The Nationals are the exception since they spend closer to 65% of revenue on payroll (at least on paper). Of course, they don’t feel that as much year-to-year since they include heavy deferments in their biggest contracts.
jorge78
372 innings? Jeff, I think you meant At Bats…..
Pads Fans
372 plate appearances
Nats Town
Yea, good luck with that. Unless they have incriminating photos, which is how I assume the Braves got Albies and Acuna to sign. I can dream of Soto signing too, but it aint happening
RunDMC
Tatis came from a success pro baseball family that I am sure had quite a bit more than Albies and Acuña (though Acuña comes from a baseball family, though not nearly as successful as Tatis). Not sure about Acuña, but Albies mentioned that he wanted the security of knowing where he would be playing at a high level and enough money for his family and a generation. Insert cliche: a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.
MrStealYoBase
Alcuna signed for 100k. Tatis signed for 800k and is the son of a major leaguer
padreshave32yrstobestdodger1stwswin
Tatis Jr.’s dad busted the Dodgers a new one TWICE with TWO grand slams in ONE inning at Chavez Latrine!!! Junior will continue the tradition.
creacher
Hopefully he tops Ronald, break the owners wallet Tatís
RunDMC
Easier said than done. Talk is cheap, Tatis won’t be. Best of luck.
Black Ace57
That Acuna deal wasn’t some great deal getting him for $10m a year for 10 years was robbery. If the Padres try low balling him like that they don’t deserve to keep him once team control runs up. Their owner is much better than Liberty Media though.
Youtube.com/@PINGTR1P
Aww, did Acuna not get as much as you wanted him to? Millionaires not making more millions is tragic I know.
Black Ace57
Don’t understand your disdain for wealthier people or how you think there is a limit to how much someone can earn. I’m just going to assume by your pic you are just a homer.
Youtube.com/@PINGTR1P
I’m neither. I just hate seeing people get upset over players choices, and then bash certain player or organization because they feel insulted for the said player.
MrStealYoBase
Alcuna signed for 100k and they completely screwed him over with his extension. The issue really isn’t Alcuna, he got life changing money either way. The issue is a large private corporation taking advantage of Latin players coming from impoverished nations.
its_happening
That is a crock. Acuna (not Alcuna), is represented by The Legacy Agency. If you want to point the finger somewhere (which I am not), point it toward Acuna’s reps before you make Acuna some victim based on his background and nationality. The agency, however, is not to blame either. No gun was pointed toward anyone to come up with an extension deal. Acuna will have made a better life for his family. No different from those before him, regardless of race, when given the opportunity to succeed.
TheAdrianBeltre
Oh no, a guy who gladly took 100K to get to play baseball now has only 100M playing it. And because he grew up poor, he was taken advantage of? Sounds like being poor made him smart enough to take 100M guaranteed. Let’s start a GoFundMe to keep his great grandkids from eating noodles and spam though.
tycobb016
MrStealYoBase- what you say is nonsense.
Pads Fans
Acuna got a historically huge deal. $57 million more than the next highest pre-arb signing. He got paid well.
nowheretogobutup
Tatis has shown he can play but for only half a season let’s not go off the side of the ship and throw some ridiculous figure at him. I say five to seven yrs. $9M to $10M per year for now if he says no they wait till he goes into FA status and play it out.
Rallyshirt
More of this “can’t spend the money fast enough” coming from San Diego. Y’all bunch of kids or what’s going on out there?
Show Me Your Tatis
Why not? The Padres “did right by Tatis” by calling him up early or whatever. The Braves did not do the same with Acuña. Why shouldn’t Tatis give the Padres a break in an extension?
Pads Fans
The largest contract in history for a pre-arbitration player is robbery? What universe do you live in? The 2nd largest deal in history was 6/$43 million. Acuna was well taken care of and will get generational money even if he gets hurt tomorrow and never plays again.
Because Acuna was not called up on day one of the season, the Braves could have went year to year from 2019-2024 and spent less than $60 million for the first 6 years of that deal. And that is assuming Acuna is as good as Mookie Betts, the highest paid player ever through their pre-arbitration and arbitration years. To be in that conversation Acuna will have to nearly double his 2019 WAR in 2020. To increase his WAR that much he is going to have to hit .320 with a .920 OPS and 40 HRs in 2020 or seriously step up his defensive game.
nyy42
I think that’s supposed to be AT Bats and not Innings?
Pads Fans
He had 372 plate appearances
Ully
Lock him up, Lock him up! Oh wait, that doesn’t sound correct to say in relation to baseball extensions now.
ChiSoxCity
Highlight reel infielders and outfielders stay injured. Tatis needs to learn how to protect himself, or his career will be short.
DockEllisDee
Sadly, many players are not getting the talk about protection these days. Haters be hatin
JoeBrady
The Padres can make this work as long as they don’t get greedy. I think they should be looking at the Eloy Jimenez contract, and not Acuna. Estimate Tatis’ salary for the next 5 years, guarantee him that amount in exchange for one or two option years.
Of course, I don’t think Jimenez has the ceiling, so the Padres certainly need to chip a little more than the WS did.
madmc44
I’m not 100 % sure but I think Dustin Pedroia and the RSox agreed to a $100 M contract sometime in the las 7-8 years. He is still hoping for a come back this year. Granted the club probably took out insurance which is paying part or all of his salary–I think his contract still counts toward the Luxury Tax.
xSpecBx
For guys like Tatis and Acuna, it would seem that a 6 or 7 year deal would be in everyones best interests. Tatis will be 21 in January and is due to be a FA in 2025. If you can get a 7 year deal in the $70M-$80M range, it gives him financial security and a chance at a larger contract in his late 20s while still giving the team a significant discount if he performs to what they think he will given current arbitration valuations and buying out a year or 2 of his free agent years. The deal Acuna signged, and maybe to a more significant degree Albies, way undervalued what they are worth. I’m sure they did it to lock in some financial security, especially if you are a player who comes from nothing, but it seems like they sold themselves short pretty significantly.
Youtube.com/@PINGTR1P
Acuna will still get a huge payday when it’s up, assuming he’s still the superstar player he’s going to be (as Jeff Todd predicts with his obvious pro player statements). I agree though maybe not as many years for Tatis. I have no idea what his background is, but the deals you proposed seem fair.
crazylarry
No way Tatis signs the deal like Ocuna. That was crazy bad. That deal puts all players with talent on the alert.
hoosierhysteria
Boycott Petco. What can brown do for you? Not a flipping thing. We have a bunch of UPS drivers.
nowheretogobutup
Right now we need five new faces min. in the 2020 roster, 2-SP’s via trade or FA, 2 LH OF’s, a C, and a good utility IF to back up 2b and SS.
DockEllisDee
Are you a bot?. that’s the third time I’ve seen that weak UPS line used in the last two days
mdogger12
lol.
Smelly_Cobb
are you even a padre fan?
csspackler
I think the new brown uniforms are magnificent.
Pads Fans
The white with pinstripes are great. Classic look. The road uni’s are hideous. When they don’t sell they will be gone in 3-4 years.
Youtube.com/@PINGTR1P
“ If he’s interested in a deal, Tatis can do his own math on his future free agent earnings and whether and how he’s willing to discount them. It’s eminently arguable that Acuna is undercompensated for his immense ability; Tatis doesn’t need to make the same bargain.”
Lmfao. I’m glad he has you and others to make decisions for him. Jeff, why don’t you at least try to hide that Acuna and Albies contracts upset you? That way you may come off as less whiny.
bbatardo
There are different ways they can structure it.. he is young enough to where they can buy a few FA years and he’ll still be 28 or 29 when he hits FA.
Socrates Curveball
Tatis has already sold a portion of his future earnings to Big League Advance. Same for Juan Soto & Rafael Devers. They’ve protected themselves from risk for a cash advance. So it makes no sense to sign an extension. Wait until Free Agency unless Padres make an offer that adequately reflects his value on the retail market.
DakotaJoe
Right about now I’m sure they’re sorry they gave Machado that huge contract. They could have spent it on Cole or MdBum, Wheeler and/or Odorizzi. I hope Tatis stays healthy because he is incredibly exciting to watch. If they can sign him for close to ten years at $100M they should do it.
Pads Fans
If they don’t trade Myers the Padres have about $26 million to spend this offseason ans still stay under $140 million in payroll.
That won’t get them Cole, but it would easily get them MadBum, Wheeler, or Odorizzi and a decent backup catcher like Castro. Signing Castro who is good against RHP and is a good defensive catcher would allow them to move Mejia out from behind the plate to fill the need for a LHB in the OF.
If they eat half of Myers deal that clears up another $10 million.
The Padres have money to spend this offseason.
padreforlife
Myers isn’t worth 11 mil per year to a team
nowheretogobutup
Let’s keep this in perspective, Tatis had a good 1/2 season let’s hope history doesn’t repeat itself, i.e. Myers or a 2B who both were signed to extensions and both failed for a one season performance. I like Tatis but is he going to be injured prone? How many games ave. per year will he play healthy? I’d say a safe extension would be five to seven yrs. at $7M per year otherwise wait until he’s a FA.
SDHotDawg
No doubt Tatis is good, and will probably get better. Can he stay healthy? He’s missed significant time each of the last two years.
And then there’s the Myers extension. I’m still trying to figure that one out.
padreforlife
Tatis also made 18 errors in 1/2 season
SDHotDawg
Approaching Franchy Cordero territory.
mdogger12
you start getting injured when you are young, it will stay with you as you age
dirkg
I’m confused on the hate. Small to mid market teams *should* make these moves to compete with the large market teams. The Pads are taking a HUGE risk if they signed Tatis to 10 years (as an example) based on 300 ABs in MLB. But that risk is the cost of competing with the Yanks, Sox, etc. Just ask the Indians if they wished they had made this kind of offer to Lindor years ago. These kinds of offers only balance the league power and are better for baseball.
dirkg
…and good for the player. Imagine taking a new job and after 3 months, you’re promoted to one of the highest paid employees at the company.
Youtube.com/@PINGTR1P
Exactly. Which is why I suspect there’s something more. It’s hidden jealously most likely. Their favorite team won’t be signing that player and seeing said teams have the chance to add more expensive players because of this can really grind someones gears. If they didn’t do well it wouldn’t be seen as anything. A lot of people forget that Acuna, for example, was pretty mediocre for the first few months before he really turned it on. He could’ve easily regressed afterwards. Just as much of a risk for the organization. It’s petty whining knowing that another team made a smart decision and can benefit from it.
hockeyjohn
The Indians did make Lindor an offer similar to Acuna after the 2016 World Series and he turned it down. Since the 1990’s Cleveland has signed many players early buying some of their free agent years. On the current Indian team, Kluber, Carrasco, Ramirez, and Santana all signed deals early with the Indians. If fact, Carrasco has signed two very team friendly deals. Cleveland knows that is how they have to compete. Not all players take those offers, however. Lindor did not.
dirkg
After I posted my msg I remembered the story of the GMs son spilling the Beans on a contract offer to Lindor. Lindor was an example of how teams in the low to mid range of the market need to compete. As you stated, Cleveland is aware of this tactic and have offered several such contracts. I think this trend will continue with other clubs.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
As a Yankee fan, I also enjoy parity in baseball and as a baseball fan I LOVE cores. My favorite thing to see is virtually the same line up or an organically evolving line up of call ups and retirees for multiple seasons if not eras. He’s turning 21 next season. A 7 or 8 year deal could find both sides what they want- cost certainty and long term line up consistency for the padres and would set Tatis for life while still allowing him to sign another 7-9 year deal after the conclusion of this one, unless there are options added on.
I think an 8 year/$140M deal would suffice and he’d be smart to take a graduated salary rather than the stagnant salaries Acuna will receive. Over 8 years, $140M isn’t tough to swallow if it doesn’t quite pan out and if it does work out it winds up a very cheap deal. He can still go on to get a 6-10 year/$37.5M AAV or whatever deal after.
Longboarder
5 years 50 million with 3 year opt outs for both sides. Simple
AtlSoxFan
That makes literally zero sense.
The team already has rights for 5 more years, and, would expect to pay similar or less than 50m going year-to-year.
Then, on top of that, you let the player opt out to be a FA when he otherwise would’ve been under team control?
What’s the point???
Strike Four
He said: “Simple”
lmao simpletons in these comments, always.
SDHotDawg
Opt-outs are BS, IMO. If the player wants an opt-out clause, the team should have the same prerogative if the player doesn’t produce.
Show Me Your Tatis
The idea is it allows the team to sign the player for less guaranteed money. Some teams prefer that even if it means giving up all the potential upside in the contract.
Hired Gun 23
5 years, 135 million…
Koamalu
Tatis spent more than half of his rookie season on the injured list. Not sure its a good idea to offer him an extension yet. If he can stay healthy through 2020 and plays at the same level then maybe you extend him then.
Learning from your mistakes is important in this game and the Padres last two extensions of pre-arb players, Gyorko and Myers, has not worked out well for them. If I was their GM I would wait a year.
Pads Fans
Lots of risk on the Padres side because Tatis was hurt so much this year. Still enough upside that offering him 7 year/$84 million deal with 2 option years that guarantees him $90 million and could take the total value of the deal to $140 million and makes him a free agent at 30 would be a great deal for both parties.
Even if Tatis succumbs to injuries and never plays more than a few seasons, $90 million is generational wealth for him and the AAV would not cripple the Padres salary-wise. If he plays well enough that the team exercises both of the option years, he is among the top paid players in the game and making Machado money the last 2 years of the deal. That sets him up for another big score at 30.
The Padres could play it safe and watch him play another season to see if he can stay healthy and continue to play elite baseball, but that would likely make this a much more expensive extension if they do it next offseason. I see no reason not to get this done for either side.
Show Me Your Tatis
Having to pay him that much money after they “did right by him” or whatever by not manipulating his service time would not look good on Preller.
Pads Fans
Why?
Show Me Your Tatis
Because everyone kept saying that Tatis would be more amenable to an extension if they called him up early. So if Preller still has to pay Tatis more money after not manipulating his service time than Acuña and Jimenez signed for after their service times were manipulated (and in Acuña’s case, after he already had a ROY title under his belt), it would certainly be an indictment of Preller’s inability to extend key players on his own terms.
padreforlife
Anyone who believes bringing him up early makes him amenable needs head examined. Tatis will tell him otherwise
Strike Four
Losing 5+ years of actually being relevant by signing Stras and/or Cole so instead they can lock up a superstar for pennies on the dollar is behavior MLB needs to curbstomp immediately. Ban any owner who isn’t free and easy with spending their profits on the people making their profits. Period.
dirkg
According to Forbes (April 2019), the Padres’ net 2018 income was $49M before interest and taxes. After int and txs, let’s say a modest $45M (make it easy) in revenue. It is speculated that Cole will command at least $35M a year. Obviously Cole will generate more buzz and revenue, but you’re still looking at about $10 – $15M of adjusted revenue dollars. That’s razor thin in the sports world. The Padres need to be creative and take on risks like Tatis as they really cant – and shouldn’t – take on contracts like Coles.
Prunella Vulgaris
An infielder with back issues scares me. And he couldn’t play at 20 years old? If I were in charge, I’d go year by year for the next two years.
genre99
Bingo
padreforlife
Bingo
Last 2 years couldn’t stay healthy
genre99
What’s the rush? He has great ability and potential, and the early returns are good. But he has not yet proven himself to be a player worthy of the ridiculous contract.
See how he plays in ‘20 and reassess.