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The Padres are tired of waiting to contend. But they face a tricky path to compiling a competitive roster in 2020.
Guaranteed Contracts
- Manny Machado: $270MM through 2028
- Eric Hosmer: $99MM through 2025
- Wil Myers: $61MM through 2022 (including buyout on 2023 club option)
- Garrett Richards: $8.5MM through 2020
- Ian Kinsler: $4.25MM through 2020 (including buyout on 2021 club option)
Arbitration-Eligible Players (projections via MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz)
- Kirby Yates – $6.5MM
- Greg Garcia – $1.7MM
- Austin Hedges – $2.9MM
- Luis Perdomo – $1.0MM
- Matt Strahm – $1.5MM
- Manuel Margot – $2.1MM
- Hunter Renfroe – $3.4MM
- Dinelson Lamet – $1.7MM
Recently Removed From 40-Man Roster
- Robbie Erlin – $2.0MM (outrighted; elected free agency)
- Travis Jankowski – $1.2MM (traded to Reds)
- Carl Edwards Jr. – $1.6MM (outrighted; elected free agency)
- Adam Warren: team paid $500K buyout, declined $2.5MM option
- Aaron Loup: team paid $200K buyout, declined $2MM club option
- Pre-arb players: Brett Kennedy (outrighted), Seth Mejias-Brean (outrighted), Jacob Nix (DFA limbo), Eric Yardley (DFA limbo), Robert Stock (claimed by Phillies)
Other Free Agents
[San Diego Padres depth chart | San Diego Padres payroll outlook]
It wouldn’t be terribly productive at this point to go into detail on the Padres’ recent struggles. The bottom line is that the team hasn’t cracked .500 since 2010, meaning that another losing season would make a full decade of futility. Chairman Ron Fowler is fed up. Manager Andy Green was canned. GM A.J. Preller’s seat is as hot as any executive in baseball.
The Friars kicked off their offseason by bringing in Jayce Tingler as skipper. He’s unproven, but plenty familiar to Preller from their time together with the Rangers. Preller spoke of his new manager’s “ability to develop talent and help players reach their potential at the Major League level.” Whether Tingler is the right man to drive progress remains to be seen.
Otherwise, Preller has been hard at work doing some 40-man bonsai pruning in advance of another winter full of tough Rule 5 decisions. The balancing act is especially fraught this time around given the clear mandate to win. It’s awfully difficult to carry armloads of intriguing but largely future-oriented players on the 40-man when you need to max out the 25-man roster. Ever-injured youngster Anderson Espinoza would be the poster boy here, but the Pads have a laundry list of others.
What’s most important to know about the situation for our purposes is: first, that the Padres have limited 40-man roster space to work with in adding players and, second, that the team has every reason to explore trades involving some of its marginal 40-man talent. Recall the club’s major summer move, in which Franmil Reyes and Logan Allen — MLB talents, both, but clearly not top priorities for the San Diego organization — were swapped out for a high-ceiling, near-majors youngster (Taylor Trammell) who doesn’t need to be protected until next winter.
That prospect capital will come in handy, but it remains to be seen how other organizations will view the long-heralded wave of talent that Preller has summoned. We don’t really even know how the organization views all of its young talent, as it’s still sifting through the margins of the 40-man in advance of the November 20th deadline to protect players from the Rule 5 draft. It stands to reason that Preller will look to deal some of the pieces he can’t protect rather than risking them in a year in which some teams will be emboldened to utilize their newly minted 26th roster spot to poach talent.
There’s one other reason to expect Preller to cut loose from a dealmaking perspective this winter: payroll constraints. The Padres have only once topped $100MM in Opening Day payroll, in Preller’s first full year on the job. Entering 2020, the club already has nearly reached nine figures in commitments, including the rest of what it owes Hector Olivera, before tabulating an arbitration class that could add another $20MM or so to the books. In other words, the Padres are already positioned to make a big move north in player expenditures, even before bringing in any new faces to the organization. Having added Eric Hosmer and Manny Machado in successive offseasons, after inking a long-term commitment to Wil Myers, this is a team that has by and large already taken most or all of its shots when it comes to top-of-the-market spending.
That’s a lot of background chatter before we get to looking at the actual roster pieces, but it’s necessary framing for the winter to come. Visions of hometown hero Stephen Strasburg are dancing in the heads not only of fans, but also of some within the Padres organization. There’s an obvious need on the roster and enormous marketing potential. But the organization will have to take a long, hard look at its balance sheets before it begins wooing Strasburg.
Adding that level of talent is sure to cost upwards of $25MM annually. But drop Strasburg on top of the rest of this roster, and you have an ace to lead a staff that’s suddenly dripping with upside. Strasburg, Chris Paddack, Dinelson Lamet, Garrett Richards, Joey Luchessi. There’s a blend of depth and upside in the other youthful starter candidates available, including Cal Quantrill, Nick Margevicius, Adrian Morejon, Michael Baez, and Ronald Bolanos. One or two of the overfill arms could be dealt; others could end up in the pen or at Triple-A. There are some injury and performance uncertainties here. But the summer trade market can help plug gaps. And who’s to say that premium prospects Mackenzie Gore and Luis Patino won’t force their way into the picture?
Trouble is, will that be enough? And is there room to add other pieces after ramping payroll into a whole new stratosphere? The Padres could get creative with shedding other obligations. The obvious target to move is Myers, who just hasn’t hit and doesn’t quite fit. It was never entirely clear why the team decided he was the right piece to fix on the roster, only then to make an investment in Hosmer that never seemed particularly likely to pay off on the field. But the die is cast. Now, the Friars can only seek to move as much of the Myers contract as possible. Surely some teams would have interest in a player with his established level of hitting ability, but his open-market value falls well shy of the $61MM he’s still owed. Getting another organization to take on cash would mean effectively selling some of that prized young talent that the Padres have been gathering in as much abundance as the tallies in the loss column.
Getting out from under some of the Myers money will be painful, but it is perhaps more plausible than some have suggested. Teams have managed such feats before. (Vernon Wells, anyone?) Otherwise, it isn’t as if it would be difficult to move on from several of the arbitration-eligible players. The Padres could cash in some pieces for far-away prospects, then re-commit some of the salary to shorter-term, presently better veterans in free agency or trades. Navigating that sort of approach will be tricky, to be sure, but it’s possible to imagine some creative moves that deliver an immediate performance boost without really adding much salary or even harming the future outlook. In some cases, the Padres might prefer the outlook of other, still-rising talent in 2021 and beyond.
The biggest single arb hit comes in the form of Yates, who has morphed into one of the game’s most dominant relievers. If there’s a truly interesting scenario that could allow the Padres to make monster additions, it might well involve the 32-year-old. It is hard to part with an exceptional late-inning pen piece when you want to contend, but this winter will be all about balancing priorities. Contenders would line up for Yates, whose $6.5MM salary would be a pittance to many other organizations. The Pads could put that cash to use elsewhere. And (much more) importantly, they could name their price, perhaps while also packaging other pieces in some kind of blockbuster arrangement. The San Diego contract asset mix screams three-team deal, particularly with Preller at the helm. Perhaps there’s a way he can land a Strasburg-level player by orchestrating a multi-faceted roster re-working that isn’t really even specifically foreseeable.
Or, perhaps, another major, concentrated expenditure isn’t the way to go. The Padres have a lot to lose in a blockbuster signing of an older starting pitcher. And they still have some obvious needs in other areas of the roster that might go largely unaddressed if they spend much of the winter and much of their available funding to lure Strasburg. What’s the alternative vision?
The desire to add a high-quality starter would still be present, of course. But it’d have to be a player that doesn’t check all the boxes. The Padres could be a part of the bidding war we forsee for Zack Wheeler, take an injury risk with Hyun-jin Ryu, or perhaps even bring in Madison Bumgarner to lead the staff. Those players will all still cost big money. Working out a trade makes better sense for the pocketbook, but figures to be complicated. Robbie Ray (pure rental), Matthew Boyd (multiple arb years), and Caleb Smith (still pre-arb) could perhaps be had. These lefties possess intriguing, strikeout-driven ceilings but are hardly surefire top-of-the-rotation fixtures. Ditto Corey Kluber, who isn’t cheap and is coming off of an injury-wrecked season. Prying loose Jon Gray or German Marquez from the Rockies might hold appeal, but it’ll be tough to structure a trade with the division rivals unless it helps alleviate their payroll woes and delivers real talent back to Colorado. Unless a surprise hurler comes available, it doesn’t appear as if there’ll be much star power to be had via trade.
A more modest approach to the rotation won’t fully satisfy in that arena, but would leave more organizational resources to work with in boosting a tepid offensive unit. The left side of the infield is in excellent shape with Machado and young centerpiece Fernando Tatis, who’ll hopefully return with his customary vigor after an unfortunate injury. There isn’t much the Padres can do at first base but hope that Hosmer somehow breaks out of his moribund performance to date.
Otherwise? Not much is locked down. It’s a similar story in most every other area of the position-player mix: the Padres have dabbled with several players, in some cases for multiple seasons, but still can’t really be sure whether they have a key piece or a middling performer that needs to be replaced. There’s an argument in each situation to stick with the internal piece or to dump that player in favor of an upgrade.
Let’s start with the outfield group, which no longer includes Franmil Reyes and Travis Jankowski but does still have plenty of other players who have intrigued, disappointed, grown, and/or stalled at various points in time, but not yet fully established themselves as steady MLB regulars. That’s especially true of Myers, who’ll have to fit somewhere in the corner unit if he isn’t dealt. Hunter Renfroe has power for days and even graded quite well with the glove last year, but his on-base skills remain highly questionable and he wasn’t even quite a league-average hitter in 2019. Manuel Margot is the top option in center but has never shown he can hit right-handed pitching. Josh Naylor has an interesting lefty bat, even after a tepid MLB debut, but he’s a work in progress in the field. It’d be fun to see what Franchy Cordero can do, but the left-handed hitter hasn’t stayed healthy. Edward Olivares? Your guess is as good as mine. That covers the existing 40-man options. There’s also Trammell, who’ll be given more time to grow at Triple-A, and a group of players that are candidates for 40-man roster space (and Rule 5 protection): Buddy Reed, Jorge Ona, Michael Gettys. The tools are intriguing, but it’d be a huge reach to assume that any of these players will be ready for a significant contribution in a must-win season.
Despite the abundance of internal possibilities, MLB.com’s AJ Cassavell has stated that he believes the Pads could add two new outfield pieces to the roster. It’s not hard to see why, as this organization can’t just rotate through players to see what sticks if it really wants to ensure contention. Viewed through this lens, you can see why we picked the Pads to land on Corey Dickerson in free agency. While we named the San Diego organization as a viable landing spot for a number of top-fifty free agents, the reliable left-handed hitter is the only player we predicted them to secure. That’s a reflection of both the fact that the Padres will need to do a lot of work on the trade market and the team’s clear need for a trusty bat. Much as the team may wonder if Nick Martini could provide something similar at a fraction of the cost, he didn’t manage a single home run in 96 plate appearances last year with the Padres. Dickerson has a history of injury woes, but there’s depth on hand if a need arises and the team would do well to secure the services of such a potentially cost-efficient, high-quality hitter.
It would certainly be preferable for the Padres to add a regular center fielder, perhaps bumping Margot into a reserve role (if not out of the picture altogether). But pickings are slim, especially in free agency. The trade market features Starling Marte, first and foremost, though there are a few other potential targets. Jackie Bradley Jr. stands out as a rental possibility. Perhaps the Rays would discuss Kevin Kiermaier. There are some other names that are more of the bounceback/platoon variety. No doubt Preller and co. are familiar with Japanese star Shogo Akiyama; he’d be a sensible target if the club’s scouts think he can hit in the bigs.
In the infield, there are still questions as well — though perhaps more in the way of existing solutions. The Pads have dabbled with changing things up behind the dish, though a Francisco Mejia-Austin Hedges tandem still seems like a solid enough choice. If the team is ready to move on from Hedges, it could seek to cash him in and replace him with a low-cost veteran. Or the club could just rely on Luis Torrens and Austin Allen to fill things out behind the dish, with a non-roster veteran or two brought into camp to compete, mentor, and add depth.
At second base, 22-year-old Luis Urias has probably shown enough in the upper minors to warrant a further MLB trial, even if his first 302 plate appearances at the game’s highest level haven’t gone as hoped. The club has Ian Kinsler under contract for a veteran infield piece, though he’s coming off of a tough year, with Greg Garcia, Ty France, and others available as well. You can certainly advocate for a change at second base, particularly with a market flooded with options, though it’d likely only make sense to add here if the team intends to utilize Urias as a trade piece.
That leaves the bullpen. As noted already, there is some potential for spillover arms to function in a relief capacity. And Preller has shown an affinity for finding real treasure in unusual places, though for every Yates and Brad Hand there has been a Bryan Mitchell or an Aaron Loup (among others) that just hasn’t worked out. Still, you’d hate to rely too much on getting more for less when it comes to securing winnable games. There’s little question the Padres will need to capitalize on every opportunity if they’re to stay in the hunt for a Wild Card in a National League that’s full of contending outfits.
Thing is, the relief unit — even beyond Yates — was a pretty good group in 2019. As a whole, it rated tops in all of baseball by measure of SIERA and second in terms of xFIP. Yates had a big role in that, without question, but he couldn’t do it alone. The club will need to replace the solid innings from the departing Craig Stammen and Robbie Erlin, but it can add back a sturdy veteran without breaking the bank while also trusting that the bevy of internal possibilities — led by Matt Strahm, Trey Wingenter, Andres Munoz, and Luis Perdomo but featuring quite a few others with intriguing cases — can continue to improve. Trading away Yates will only make sense if there’s a truly compelling return, but it would also open opportunities. No shortage of free agent relievers would love a shot at throwing high-leverage innings in a relatively low-stress, low-run-scoring environment. (They say the weather is pleasant in San Diego, also.)
There’s still a lot to like about the volume of talent in the San Diego organization. But Preller needs to show that he can make that into a major-league winner — and fast. Anything shy of an exciting campaign that ends at or above .500 would be a marked disappointment, and could lead to a front office change. It’ll be fun to see this outfit tackle the challenge.
Show Me Your Tatis
Don’t think many (if any) GM’s would be interested in taking Myers. Brodie Van Wagenen maybe?
JoeBrady
As I’ve posted before, I think the RS, with Betts, can be one of the best trade partners in history with SD. While no one will take Myers straight up, it’s not impossible to think of Myers coming over to the RS in some type of 8-player trade.
The RS still need a 1B. As bad as the Myers deal is, he is decidedly not worthless. If the two teams were interested, I’m guessing that the dead money in the Price contract is not materially different than the dead money in the Myers contract.
The Padres get Betts & Price, the RS get Renfroe & Myers, one of the many #3 arms that SD has, and one or two non-Gore prospects. (Patino, Morejon, Espinoza. etc.).
The RS replace Betts & Price with Renfroe & Lucchesi, add Myers at 1st, and maybe 1-2 non-premium prospects. SD gets a solid #2 SP, the best RF in BB, and slide Naylor into 1st.
/rant/FG has a prospect listing for every team in early 2019. The RS had 3 prospects rated as 45. SD, unfrackinglybelievalbe, had 17 guys rated as 45+.
Show Me Your Tatis
Lol do not lump Patiño, Morejon and Espinoza in together. The only thing they have in common is that they were all signed out of Latin America. Not even close to comparable prospects.
Betts is a little too close to FA for my taste. Although a Myers for Price framework might make some sense for SD.
JoeBrady
The three certainly aren’t identical. I put them out there to establish. I’d love to have Patino, but I can be talked into Morejon, fairly easily. I’m not crazy about Espinoza after the 2nd surgery, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be the final piece of the puzzle.
Show Me Your Tatis
Would be fitting if Espinoza winds up back in Boston…
larry48
dumb never happen
alexryanperry
The Padres aren’t trading Patino. He and Gore will likely be with the club at some point in 2020 and they have quite the bromance going.
Otherwise I like the trades; everyone thinks we need pitching so bad but our hitting is atrocious. We need several players to break out (Mejia, Urias, and Naylor) and others to earn their $ (Hosmer and Machado) before we can contend. Our pitching is going to be fine with Paddack, a full season of Richards/Lamet, Lucchessi, Gore, and Patino next year. I”m more worried about our bats.
Show Me Your Tatis
Infield is pretty much set. They do however need to decide which of the outfielders would start on a contender and trade the others.
SDHotDawg
The ONLY outfielder we have who could start on a contender is Renfroe.
The one guy we have I’d like to see get a shot is Martini, because of his on-base skills and contact bat (HRs aren’t everything).
Margot has had three solid years to prove one thing: he can’t hit. In fact, his defense (IMO) was second to Janks, as is his OBP and baserunning. But he’s Preller’s boy.
Myers defense is terrible, and he’s proven what he is at the plate.
Preller has his work cut out for him. If he can cut it.
Show Me Your Tatis
@SDHotDawg if that is the case (and I’m not saying it isn’t) then Preller must trade all the outfielders except Renfroe and Martini to the highest bidder yesterday. Eating money if necessary (Myers). Padres have seemingly had a “surplus” of outfielders that would never actually start on a contender for like 10-15 years now.
Pads Fans
I absolutely love the idea of trading for Betts, but giving up the Padres best OF both on offense and defense for 1 year of Betts is not a good idea. Either is taking on $60+ million in salaries for Betts and Price for 2020. Price is owed $96 million over the next 3 years according to Cots Baseball Contracts
The Red Sox have several problems right now. The biggest one is creating payroll flexibility. They were over the highest level of the luxury tax in 2019, so they will be paying a stiff penalty for each dollar over this coming season. Their biggest need is to drop under $208 million in payroll to reset the luxury tax. come h3ll or highwater that is what they absolutely must do.
That means moving Betts who will get between $27-30 million in arbitration for 2020. They will still get great players in return for him, but they have to move him. They have a great defensive CF in JBJ that can’t hit and is set to earn $12 million in arbitration. They would prefer to trade him and may just non-tender him before the arb hearing if they can get a replacement.
They lost their starting 1B Moreland, their starting 2B most of the season Holt, a starting pitcher Porcello, and 8 other players to FA or waivers so far this offseason.
So how about this trade?
Betts and Noah Song to the Padres
The Red Sox get
Myers + $30 million (makes his AAV to the Red Sox $8 million and clears $10 million per year off Padres books)
Margot – Basically same player as JBJ for $10 million less.
Lauer – Fills the hole at the back rotation that Porcello has been the last 2 years
France – Can play 1B, 2B, and 3B. Possibly even a few games in the OF.
Possibly toss in Avila or Nix.
Myers plays 1B for the Red Sox, Margot CF, Lauer starts, and France is a utility player. Fills 4 needs and allows the Red Sox to non-tender or trade JBJ. The Red Sox drop $42 million in payroll for 2020 from Betts and JBJ and take on $12 million for all 4 players they get. .A $30 million payroll savings for the Red Sox.
Moving Myers saves the Padres $10 million and the other guys save them $3 million. Taking on Betts adds $27-30 million. If they are willing to take the payroll up to $150 million, that still leaves them $30+ million to spend. Enough money to get a difference maker like Strasburg or Cole and if they miss on them, then enough sign two guys from the next tier of Wheeler, Bumgarner, and Odorizzi. Or it would allow the Padres to sign Grandal and one of those 2nd tier starters.
Show Me Your Tatis
Looking at the situation objectively. Unless the Padres take back David Price in the trade, the Red Sox will non-tender Mookie Betts before trading him for any package that has Wil Myers in it.
Show Me Your Tatis
“Getting car worked on today and the shop had WEEI on.
The 3 guys on the broadcast, Lou Merloni and two guys I don’t know, were talking about a potential Padres Red Sox trade.
Betts for Myers, Margot, Lauer, and $20-25 million.
The manager of the shop who was a Red Sox fan didn’t like it. I thought it was a lot to give up for one year of Betts.
Merloni was saying the Red Sox need to clear money to get under the luxury tax cap and this would do it.
Merloni said Myers would play 1B/RF with Moreland leaving and is only $13 million against the cap instead of $27-30 million for Betts. He also said that Margot would replace JBJ in CF and save the Red Sox another $12 million against the cap.
What do you think?”
Hmm…
JoeBrady
As a RS fan, I wouldn’t do it. Myers is at $22.5M, so cash of say $22.5M, means Myers costs us $15M, so that’s a significant negative. Over the past 3 years, Myers has a WAR/650 of 1.8, while Moreland has a WAR/650 of 2.0. Moreland is more of a platoon player, but we have Chavis, so I’d prefer Moreland over Myers.
I like both Margot & Lauer well enough, but their positive value is barely enough to cover Myers negative value, even including the $22.5M.
Merloni is really sharp for field activities, but he definitely leaves his lane when it comes to FO conjecturing. IMHO, what SD needs to think about is one of two things.
1-If you want to throw in Myers, you have to think about Price.
2-If you want to think about Betts alone, you have to think first of the throw-in pieces. Naylor has no position with Hosmer there, and Hosmer is all but untradeable. And Naylor is more valuable in the AL than the NL.
You have to think about Hedges & Mejia. They need to be considered fallen angels. Only one can start, but both likely have more value in a trade than as a backup catcher.
And they need to think about their glut of #3/4 SPs. By the end of 2020, there rotation (without a signing) will likely be Gore, Paddack, Patino, Lamet, & Lucchesi. So they need to think about have to best maximize the value of Lauer, Quantrill, Baez, Morejon, Richard, maybe Strahm. You might want 1/2 for the BP and depth, but putting too many in the BP is a waste of value.
thunderroad19
I was dreaming of some sort of Ian Kennedy/Wil Myers bad-contract trade last summer but unfortunately it didn’t happen.
In Myers’ defense…he’s been jerked around, position-wise, his entire career. I think he can still be a productive player in the right place. I’d be happy to take a chance on him in KC.
Show Me Your Tatis
Wouldn’t hate to see if Balsley can fix IPK again. But once again that would be the Padres flipping a 3-year bad contract for a 1-year bad contract, which doesn’t make much sense for the other team.
Most players do best when you put them in one position and leave them there. Ben Zobrist types are rare.
lowtalker1
Machado has 288 through 2028
Jeff Todd
Not on a cash basis. His $20MM signing bonus was paid up front, plus $10MM of salary in 2019. That leaves $270MM to go.
Ejemp2006
The Padres are obligated to fulfill their part in the secret deal made between all of the MLB owners.
The Padres have to make at least one massive bad contract each off season. They will keep losing and then during the next CBA negotiations, the owners will use their control over the media to highlight the Padres as a case against big money contracts.
Machado, Hosmer, Myers. This off season they will ink a bad contract with a pitcher. Probably MadBum, Porcello, or Kuechel.
The owners’ media propaganda slogan will be, “great teams win in baseball, not big stars.”
Show Me Your Tatis
You post this conspiracy theory on here every like 6 months or so.
Ejemp2006
I will post it until the evidence is exposed and I am vindicated.
If you are not a believer yet, will you convert when they make another bone headed signing?
Let’s say Porcello or Keuchel at 4/60 or MadBum at 5/85. Maybe even Castellanos at 6/72. Would that be enough for you to get on the band wagon of fans who are demanding the tapes from the secret meetings the owners held?
Show Me Your Tatis
So what do the Padres supposedly get out of this little agreement?
SDHotDawg
The question is: What do the OWNERS get?
Ejemp2006
The Padres ownership gets secret payments from the other owners. Money and favors. The type of things that billionaires deal in.
The owners get leverage to put a cap on spending, like instituting elements of NBA’s CBA, think super max contracts that put a limit on the earning potential of individual players. Tie the eligibility for the super max to all star game appearances, gold gloves, CY youngs, and MVPs.
chesteraarthur
That slogan isn’t incorrect
padreforlife
Taking Myers lol get REAL. He will be taken when he clears waivers
Show Me Your Tatis
Potato?
Jeff Todd
You think it’s wild to suggest that some team would take a few million dollars of salary obligations to add Myers, and more if the Padres include other value? Okay. I just disagree there, I guess.
The contract is obviously way under water and I was befuddled by it from the start. But he’s still young and you can’t ignore the success he has had.
Preller can make some of the money disappear if he sacrifices talent. Then spend it elsewhere. It’s a possible alternative to giving up prospects for lower-cost MLB players in a trade.
san diego4life
That’s a great way of looking at it . Preller job is on a hot seat he can’t wait for prospects. So why not attach a couple of high end prospects and have a team take Myers and use that money on proven talent now .
Show Me Your Tatis
This type of thinking is what put the Padres in this position in the first place.
JoeBrady
IMO, Myers is not that far off. Between 2016-2018, Myers averaged bWAR 3.1/650. That’s kind of wishful thinking, but it is not like that was 5 years ago. If someone, like my RS, are looking for a 1B, and they could hook up Price for example, there is something in it for both sides. SD effectively adds Price for a net $9.5M.
As a RS, there is no chance I would make that a straight trade, since I think Price can deliver real value, but it is also not so far off that SD couldn’t make up for it with a prospect.
AtlSoxFan
I disagree. A guy like myers belongs on a team like baltimore or miami. If he figures it out, great, they flip him to make money/prospecrs/ready talent/whatever. If not, no big deal.
Not a team that wants to contend.
Besides, you dont gake a flailing non-producer and drop him in a hotbed like the boston media and fan market. It makes his job that much harder.
you compare the productivity of say mitch moreland, at 5 or 6m, to what myers is doing (what have you done for me lately) and the contract doesn’t just have negative value, it’s has almost no value
Value price how you want, but, he’s still got decent number 2/3 stuff and was doing well past year until injury. I see far more upside in price, and, if you use a formula of contract cost – replacement cost of similar production there’s no contest as to why the redsox wouldn’t want Wil Meyers…
larry48
Padres are not contender they have not been above 500 for ten year. They lost 91 games and with 10 games improvement they might get to 500 but i don’t see that happening.
Pads Fans
Price is owed $96 million over the next 3 years. Myers $61 million.
hockeyjohn
Price has more on field value and plays a more valuable position than Wil Myers.
padreforlife
Wil Myers can’t handle pressure of San Diego now he’s good fit in NY. Padre fans are hilarious
Marius
A lot of work to do here at the MLB level while they wait for the young arms to arrive. I think Wheeler and one other second tier pitcher is ok. I am fine with the infield, less catcher. Sign Grandal for 3 to 4 years with Mejia taking his off days. They need to try and get Marte, Blackmon or Betts for the OF. Ideally they do a sign and mega extension for Betts. With their farm and the pitching projections, there wont be a need for a massive pitcher free agent deal in the near future so spend the money on Betts. Easier said then done, but work is needed here to put them over the top
CNichols
They have a ton of young cheap back of the rotation pitchers, they really don’t need a “second tier pitcher”, just someone to anchor the top of the rotation (way easier said than done).
I also can’t see them bringing Grandal back considering he left on somewhat poor terms when them sent him to LA. They should just roll with Mejia and spend that $ on one of the OF options you mentioned.
Show Me Your Tatis
Betts already said he isn’t signing an extension.
MoRivera 1999
I don’t think Betts does an extension. He’s intent on a FA bidding war. He’s hoping for $300MM+.
Show Me Your Tatis
Yup. And trading for him isn’t going to help them win that bidding war.
BigFred
No reason the Pads can’t battle the Giants & Rockies for 3rd place next season.
imindless
Think padres would swap hosmers plus a something else for pujols? Gets padres out of the deal faster 2/60 as opposed to 5/99 and gives angels a lower cap hit down the line. Pujols also wasnt as bad as hosmer and adds veteran leadership that could be nice to pair around tatis and others. Just an idea.
coolerking17
Pujols has a no trade clause. He’s not moving anywhere near the end of his career
Show Me Your Tatis
Hosmer’s contract is worse. Pujols is at least reaching the end of his. But like coolerking17 said, Pujols probably doesn’t waive his NTC at this point.
Pads Fans
Either does Hosmer.
Show Me Your Tatis
Hosmer will waive his NTC if he thinks the team he is being traded to can contend. I mean it’s not like he actively wanted to play in San Diego or for the Padres. He signed because of the $. Which he still gets if he accepts a trade.
420ambassador
this top 50 FA list with predictions got me ahead of schedule on the padres twitter to do list. already complaining about not being connected to enough free agents and i’ve not even been let down by the new uniforms yet.
Harry Doyle
Starling Marte is a must for SD. Top of the lineup hitter with solid glove work. Sick of management justifying players like Margot because they have 1 hot month at the plate. Seems like twice a season we hear “this is the real Margot!” and then his production falls off a cliff with the team’s OBP. I’d like to see Preller alleviate the 40-man roster sending several prospects to Pittsburgh while making the 25-man competitive. I wonder if KC would take back Hosmer given SD eats significant salary?
SDHotDawg
Margot has never been what Preller thinks he is. And never will be. Just like Myers. And Mitchell. And Perdomo. And …
towinagain
So why do I get the feeling MLBTR thinks the Pads are handcuffed so to speak?
Dickerson, the only projected addition?
If this team fails to add an ace, it’s another last place finish.
Jeff Todd
More that we see much of the work to be done via trade.
OCTraveler
Padres need to focus on getting a solid 5 man rotation, not 4 bodies and a high priced #1 (Strasburg). Why not go after local two relatively affordable starters from LA – Woods & Ru? Also it is time to get Trammell into the full time lineup.
As far as expecting someone to bail them out of the contracts of Hosmer or Myers – good luck. The problem here is there are not to many franchises inept as the Padres out there.
JoeBrady
Why not go after local two relatively affordable starters from LA – Woods & Ru?
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Wood was traded to Cincy last year and had a bad year. SD probably has 6 SPs better than him. Ryu is good but will cost real money. I’m not sure why you think adding Ryu instead of Strasburg is a good idea.
And Trammell had an OPS in AA of .689 last year. He definitely needs more seasoning.
vtadave
Who are Woods and Ru?
JoeBrady
Wanting Wood, but not even knowing what team he is on is kind of a bust-chops thing. Misspelling Wood and Ryu is a bit pedantic.
towinagain
I like the idea of Woods and Ryu. Both know the division and thats a plus and both have been very effective. Aim for Strasburg and if that fails to materialize pursue Ryu.
Ain’t going to win with the staff the way its currently constructed.
Pads Fans
Padres had one of the top pitchers in baseball in rookie Chris Paddack last season, are returning Garrett Richards, and have Lucchesi and Lamet who both put up above average numbers in 2019. They have 4 solid pitchers. All they really need is a #1. By 2021 that might be a moot point as one of Gore or Patino step up and be that guy, but for now they just don’t have a leader for the staff.
Show Me Your Tatis
Hey dude! How did that qualifying offer for Tyson Ross work out for you?
SDHotDawg
It took Trammel all season to begin figuring out AA ball, and you want to put him in the big leagues? Nah. I don’t think he’s ready to make that jump.
Ahnpaul1984
Thank you for adding a link to the other articles in the “off season needs” series
bbatardo
Moving Myers won’t be that difficult if they sweeten the pot with prospects. Similar to what the Padres did in the past… teams will spend salary to basically buy prospects. As for the Padres shopping list.. I think they need these 4 things to even sniff the wild card. 1) Top of rotation starter.. can be as high as Cole/Strasburg or mid like Wheeler/Bumgarner. They need a reliable starter to lead them and increase the depth. 2) An everyday OF, or a solid LF bat who can platoon with Margot and play CF. 3) A solid platoon player, maybe a Brock Holt? 4) A veteran reliever with some closing experience who can be a 7th or 8th inning guy.
Vandals Took The Handles
The flaw in your logic is that while the overflowing number of “prospects” the Padres have are attractive to media people and fans, MLB FO’s value them differently.
Even the Yankees and Red Sox are trying to stay under the luxury tax. $61m over the next 3 years is a HUGE amount of money for a team to take on in which they get a player that is worth less then 1/10th of that on the free agent market. Is he going to be any better in the next 3 years then a healthy Lonnie Chisenhall ( $2.75m in 2019) or a Jordan Luplow ($564,500 in 2019)? At least Jake Bauers ($560,400 in 2019) and Yandy Diaz ($558,400 in 2019) have some potential.
Realize that even if the Padres cover 3/4’ers of his remaining salary he’s radically overpaid. It will cost the Padres 2 of their top-tier prospects as well as a few others just to get meaningful discussions going.
Show Me Your Tatis
You use “prospects” in quotes. You trying to say that all of the Padres’ prospects will bust?
AtlSoxFan
Who knows? You get the added bonus of buyer beware dealing with preller, you might not even get full disclosure or medicals
Show Me Your Tatis
Espinoza needed Tommy John surgery twice! More like buyer beware dealing with the Red Sox!
AtlSoxFan
@tatis – please kindly refer us to the evidence/articles the red sox kept 2 sets of logs/records on Espinoza and hid some information on his health status?
Also advise how there were 2 TJ surgeries needed at once, and didn’t just fix these two problems at the same time?
Otherwise, kindly remove your foil hat and accept that TJ is part of many young prospects these days and multiple surgeries typically indicate a problem with mechanics, usage, or similar and like a combination of all.
Show Me Your Tatis
How many days did Drew Pomeranz miss to the DL/IL as a Red Sox?
And how many days has Anderson Espinoza missed to the DL/IL as a Padre so far?
“Otherwise, kindly remove your foil hat and accept that TJ is part of many young prospects these days…”
I’d say the same to Marlins fans wrt Colin Rea.
Vandals Took The Handles
@Show Me Your Tatis;
“You use ‘prospects’ in quotes. You trying to say that all of the Padres’ prospects will bust?”
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No.
Law of averages says that at least a few will work out…..some.
Are you a Padres fan? If so, in the past 9 years as the team never went over .500, was there ever a time they didn’t have at least 5 young guys on their ML roster that looked pretty good? Every MLB team has some. Yasmani Grandal came to the Padres in trade, but in fact started his ML career with them.
Heck, Trea Turner came out of the Padre organization. When MLB exec’s saw what Mike Rizzo gave up to get him, they were standing in line elbowing one another to get to the front and negotiate with Preller. The Indians made 2 extremely savvy trades with the Padres in the past year-and-a-half. Doubt they brought back a superstar, but they acquired very serviceable players that they are already working on to make them into assets on a winning team (Hand has already helped them a lot). Padres didn’t know how to do that with them.
P.S. If the Indians and Francona couldn’t square Mejia away as a C (Gomes came over as a utility guy, they made him a quality C; Perez just won the Gold Glove – not one passed ball in 2019), what makes you think the Padres can?
Show Me Your Tatis
Erik Neander is just as much at fault as Preller for flipping Turner for Steve Souza rather than just keeping Turner.
Padres certainly knew what to do with Hand. He went from nothing to All Star with them. Then they flipped him for Mejia and replaced him with Kirby Yates who has been just about as good.
Mejia was a top prospect because of his bat. In the second half of 2019 he showed us why. Whether or not he has a future behind the plate does remain to be seen tho.
The hope from Preller’s vantage point is that Taylor Trammell ends up being more valuable than Franmil Reyes, Logan Allen and Victor Nova. That again remains to be seen. Guys like Reyes who can hit home runs and can’t play defense have become increasingly cheap in MLB. And while I found it odd to see them ship Logan Allen out after the whole thing with John Cena, realistically, if they don’t have 5 starters who are better than him by the start of like the 2021 season, something is definitely not right. Then Victor Nova is a pure lottery ticket.
I realize everyone hates the Padres, but their prospects aren’t any more likely to bust than everyone else’s.
MoRivera 1999
I don’t hate the Pads. I do dislike the deals they did with Myers, Hosmer, and Machado, though.
Show Me Your Tatis
Lol everyone hates the Myers and Hosmer deals. We’ll see on Machado though. It’s not like the Padres had anyone else at any level who could have taken his place at 3rd base.
MoRivera 1999
Machado is like 1/3 of their payroll. I never support that kind of strategy. Of course, I don’t understand why SD’s payroll is like $100MM…
Pads Fans
The Padres ended 2019 with a $132 payroll and that was about the same as . Machado was only paid $10 million in 2019. Next season he will be about 23% if overall spending stays the same.
SDHotDawg
@Vandals … If you’re implying Preller is an idiot, I’m inclined to agree.
padreforlife
Red Sox haven’t produced many starters since Babe Ruth lol
padreforlife
How about trading Max Fried he went 17-8 oh yea wins mean nothing
Pads Fans
Vandals – The luxury tax is based on AAV of the contract, not salary paid in any particular season. Myers AAV is $13.8 million and if the Padres eat $30 million it drops to $8.8 million for the team trading for him. $8.8 million for a starting 1B/LF is not something that would stop a team like the Red Sox from trading for him. The Yankees have no needs he fills.
steelerbravenation
Strasburg should be signed for his local ties alone.
How does Preller have a job after the Myers & Hosmer contracts ???
Also for all the minor league talent other than Tatis & to a lesser degree Paddack there really isn’t anyone producing.
Show Me Your Tatis
Urias will produce in 2020 and Gore and Patiño will be in the majors soon enough
Vandals Took The Handles
I long ago got dizzy reading the excuse-making for what Preller is doing.
I got lost in this article when after being told how wonderful all the Padres young pitchers are…..the next paragraph starts with – “Trouble is, will that be enough?”
SOS
For 2 years I’ve read MLBTR articles and comments gushing over how sensational the Padres young position prospects are. They traded Reyes mid-season, and yesterday Mr. Todd posted an article stating – “Now the Padres beat writer says that ‘There’s a good chance two Padres 2020 outfielders aren’t on the roster right now.’
The Padres shelled out big money for one OF, yet they’re searching for 2 more from other organizations. They shelled out for a 1B, 2B, and 3B in free agency, only the SS came through their legendary rebuild. Their C’s all look like guys that have some pluses but mostly minuses, in different areas. None of them project as a quality full-time C. One can share the position, the other two seem to qualify only as backup’s.
The way REAL – and successful – rebuilds are done is to graduate their youngsters into the major leagues, allow them to play, and develop them more at the ML level. Bring on a few veterans that are mostly past their prime to serve as mentors. As additional youngsters come up from the farm system and earn jobs, slowly phase the veterans out in a few years. Then blend in a few in-their-prime veterans to fill any gaps. Not at all what the Padres are doing.
Everyone is confused by the situation – starting with the owner and Padre fans. How could not one Padre OF brought up the past 2-3 years have established themselves as a quality player, with more upside to come as they age?
As for Strasburg – he’s a grown man with a family. They’ve lived in DC for years. They have friends, and their children have friends. They are not high-tailing it away from one of the highest-quality organizations in MLB to return to an transitory area to live in, and work for an organization that seems to go around in circles – not knowing if it’s playing to win or rebuilding….but winding up in last place without a winning season in 9 years.
Gads.
JoeBrady
How could not one Padre OF brought up the past 2-3 years have established themselves as a quality player, with more upside to come as they age?
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Renfroe.
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gushing over how sensational the Padres young position prospects are. They traded Reyes mid-season
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Their position prospects have worked out okay. Tatis, Urias, Renfroe are good. Reyes was never rated, and he still was good enough to use as a chip for Trammell. Even your two laggards-Margot & Hedges-are still young enough that they can develop.
thebighurt619
Move abrams or Edwards in a deal to unload myers contract. Or unload for another bad contract.
Sign Strasburg and Roark.
Figure out the OF log jam. Jankowski and Margot can platoon all 3 spots.
Show Me Your Tatis
Jankowski platooning in our OF would be very interested considering he’s a Cincinnati Red.
And Abrams and Edwards have some serious helium. Not the right time to move them.
thebighurt619
Meant martini not jankowski. Thanjs for pointing that out.
Show Me Your Tatis
Saw this on another site.
Assuming that the data are iid normal (which is not self evident), if a National League team wins 85 games in 2020, they will have an 8% chance of picking up the second wild card spot. 86 wins gives them a 14% chance. 87 wins gives them a 21% chance. 88 wins gives them a 31% chance. 89 wins gives them a 42% chance. 90 wins gives them a 54% chance. 91 wins gives them a 66% chance. 92 wins gives them a 76% chance. 93 wins gives them an 85% chance. 94 wins gives them a 91% chance. And 95 wins gives them a 95% chance.
The fewest games won by the 2nd national league wild card team since the 2 wild card system was instituted back in 2012 is 87 (the 2016 Mets and Giants and the 2017 Rockies). The most is 97 (the 2015 Cubs). 2015 was somewhat of an outlier with three teams in one division winning 97+ games.
So that is basically the hill the Padres are looking at if they want to make the playoffs this year. While I’m not going to say that Preller will be given the ax if the team fails to make the playoffs in 2020, they will probably have to come reasonably close and will certainly have to be above .500. Breaking .500 means nothing to me personally but others seem to care about it a lot for some reason.
AtlSoxFan
Any such article is meaningless at this point due to roster uncertainties, and must be based on last year’s talent distribution.
If more teams opt to rebuild full-on the win total should increase. But if fewer teams tear down, or teams like SD start making more of a push, then the win total should decrease.
More competitive teams mean it takes fewer wins to make it, but, they will be harder to come by.
JoeBrady
Seems about right. I thought the Padres would be in the 78-81 win range last year. Which they were until injuries slowed them down. I think that, without a single addition, they will be in the 81-85 range.
Houston went from 70 wins to 86 wins. Minny went from 59 to 85. Oakland from 75 to 97. Atlanta from 72 to 90. Cubs 73 to 97.
I don’t think this is all that unusual. And I think SD is more developed than any of those teams at this stage of their development. I think they need either a Cole/Strasburg type, or Mookie Betts.
Show Me Your Tatis
I’m not interested in trading for players who are one-year rentals like Betts. Can’t speak for Preller tho.
JoeBrady
His boss just threatened to fire him, so we have that working in our favor. And i am not a believer in only one way to grow. Guys like Naylor have no position. by my count, Lucchesi, Lauer, Lamet, Paddack, Quantrill, Richards, maybe Strahm, maybe Baez, all of whom might/could start, plus Gore, Patino & Morejon.
That’s 11 SPs with varying levels of competency, most of which won’t be worse than a #5. If you held onto more than 6-7, imo, it would be a mistake.
Show Me Your Tatis
The point is they can be traded for someone who isn’t a one-year rental. Anyone that trades for Betts basically has to win the WS in 2020, regardless of what the prospects traded for him do. Because he’s probably just going to go back to Boston after one year.
MoRivera 1999
Betts is not going back to Boston. With the Price and Sale contracts, the futures of Bogaerts and Devers, and a desire to stay away from $240MM in payroll, they are not going to plunk $300MM for Betts.
padreforlife
Bingo giving up farm for 1 year DUMB
JoeBrady
A better way to think about it is, where are Naylor, Hedges, Morejon, Lauer, etc., going to play next year? The bench and BP, or the minors?
FWIW, just imho, maybe biased by being a RS fan, there isn’t anything wrong with a Goldschmidt type trade. The Cards got a good 1B, and made it to the NLCS. AZ got a major bump in their rebuild, for two guys that might not have played for the Cards anyway.
Show Me Your Tatis
Difference is the Cards made a deep playoff run. It is not self-evident that the Padres will in 2020. Even with Betts.
padreforlife
You’re comparing Cardinals to Padres seriously.
JoeBrady
But the concept is that they traded prospects for a start veteran in order to make deep playoff run.. Heck, they could’ve missed the playoffs entirely, but the concept of a good one-year veteran for prospects does exist.
JoeBrady
The teams have nothing to do with it. The idea is that teams will trade prospects for one-year veterans every year. It doesn’t matter if it Rizzo for Gonzo, Colon for Cliff Lee, Philips, and Sizemore, Beltran for Wheeler, Langston for Johnson, etc.
As a Padre fan, would you trade Naylor for a really good one-year setup guy? Knowing that Naylor won’t be playing much? Or Morejon for Marte? A two-year rental, but not nearly as good as Betts.
JoeBrady
But oftentimes, teams don’t wait until it is glaringly obvious that they are contenders. KC traded for Shields after a 72-90 season. They were very similar to the 2019 Padres. Poor record, but they had Perez, Hosmer, and Moustakas at age 22/23, and guys semi-vets like Gordon & Cain just coming into their own.
IMO, SD is ready. I’d gladly wager on an 81+ win season, right now. They add Betts, and they are more like 88 wins. If, in your opinion, the Padres really are only a 70-win team, then I would agree with you and hold on to the prospects for another year or two.
Show Me Your Tatis
Where are those two jokers who said 7 months ago that the Padres would be so happy that Preller didn’t manipulate Tatis’ service time that they would rally to a playoff spot in 2019?
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I am one of those jokers. I think you need to let it go. You are projecting at this point. The Tatis free agency is way off in the future. Focus on the now and the next couple years. But go ahead and give yourself a stroke if you wish. Let it go, Tatis. Let it go…
Show Me Your Tatis
No I’m not letting it go. If you are going to lay it all so vehemently on the line and spar with those who disagree, you can expect to hear about it when you are wrong.
Tatis’ free agency would be even further off in the future if Preller had done the right thing and waited 2 stupid weeks to call him up. 2 weeks would not have hurt his development or stopped the Padres from “seeing what they had in him” or whatever.
You should be ashamed of yourself…
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I never sparred with you. I was always positive. It was you who went looking for an argument. I simply showed how it was a risky but positive move in creating an atmosphere that was necessary for a team stuck in loser mode. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. I always stayed positive but maybe that is what gives you fits.
What exactly do I have to be ashamed about? For pete’s sake, start making sense. It’s baseball, not the Jeffrey Epstein scandal.
Show Me Your Tatis
And yet, here they are, still stuck in loser mode, with multiple reports that the team basically gave up 2/3 of the way through the season. This, despite them calling Tatis up early.
You were wrong. It did nothing to change the atmosphere and outlook of the team.
padreforlife
Bingo. Preller bringing Tatis up early is just another brain dead move by pitiful GM
SDHotDawg
LOL! I don’t know about the Tatis service time issue – it is what it is.
I’m more amused by all those people who were arguing that 2019 would be our first winning year – then denied it! Now it’s, “I always said it was going to be 2020.”
Amusing. Not angry or trying to start an argument, just an amusing observation.
weaselpuppy
Sign Strasbourg, low first year payout, escalating thereafter. Sign Corey Dickerson.
Trade Myers, Margot, Baez and Potts for Matt Boyd, Niko Goodrum and JZimm from Tigers.
Trade Kinsler to anyone for anything.
Resign Yates, Sign Cishek.
Show Me Your Tatis
There is no “resigning” Yates. They already control him for 2020.
And no way the Tigers do that trade. At least Zimmermann only has 1 more year.
Finally, who in tarnation is “Strasbourg?”
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Tatis — smugness is a quality that is not befitting of anyone. I think you know what someone means if they misspell a name by a letter or two. It says more about you than it does the misspeller.
Show Me Your Tatis
Cry.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
My point exactly — you always complain and cry. At least you admit it. Now face those demons, Tatis.
Show Me Your Tatis
And you fail to look at situations objectively :^)
Pads Fans
The Tigers do that deal in a heartbeat. Zimmerman is making $25 million and has averaged a 5.80 ERA the past 3 seasons. Boyd is a #5 starter. Lauer was as good as Boyd and he won’t make the Padres rotation if they sign anyone from Cole to Odorizzi. Goodrum is 28 and is a non-tender candidate.
So the Tigers get 4 MLB players and the Padres get 3 guys they will cut and eat $30 million. Just plain no.
Show Me Your Tatis
They do that trade in a heartbeat if you take Wil Myers out of it. With him, it’d be a “no.”
Pads Fans
The Padres say no in a heartbeat. No way do they take on $30 million in payroll for 3 guys that will not play for the Padres even one day.
The Tigers on the other hand jump on that trade WITH Myers in it. They get 3 guys better than then guys they replace on their team now AND dump salary.
Pads Fans
3 MLB players.
Show Me Your Tatis
TIL that adding Wil Myers’ $68.5m remaining is “dumping salary?”
JoeBrady
1-Just out of curiosity, what do you think of Baez + Potts for Boyd? Boyd has some talent, which he hasn’t really shown, but both SD are 50 prospects.
2-Making fun of someone for misspelling Strasburg’s name is lame.
weaselpuppy
Boyd 3.3 fWAR last year, better than Bauer Tanaka, Darvish, Bumgarner, Sanchez, Ray…..hasn’t shown it yet huh? huh? ok.
hockeyjohn
Detroit needs prospect bats. They have prospect pitchers.
JoeBrady
..hasn’t shown it yet huh? huh? ok.
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He had a 4.56 ERA last year, with a 5.67 ERA after May, with 32 HRs in 112 IPs, and a .858 OPSa.
Do you truly think that was Boyd ‘showing it’? If you think that is vintage Boyd, he is never getting traded.
Pads Fans
Why would the Padres want Boyd at all?. They have 3 better, younger, and cheaper starters in Luchhesi, Lamet, and Lauer. Zimmerman is not tradable. That whole trade is a no go.
Show Me Your Tatis
Wil Myers is even less tradeable. A bad contract that expires in 1 year vs. a bad contract that expires in 3 years.
Pads Fans
No. Zimmerman has had a 5.80 ERA the last 3 seasons and will make $25 million. Trading him would require adding several top prospects and at least half that money.
Myers has put up 4.0 WAR the last 3 seasons. Only injuries kept him from putting up a league average WAR in 2019.
All it will take to get Myers traded is money moving along with him. Padres owners already said they would send up to half his salary along with him. That is an easy deal.
Show Me Your Tatis
Eating half of Myers’ salary is still eating more money than JZimm is owed between right now and the end of his contract. Therefore Myers’ contract > JZimm’s.
And nobody but you sees Wil Myers as a useful player at this point. It might actually be best to keep him for the moment and just pray for some kind of return to form cuz I doubt his trade value goes any lower.
weaselpuppy
Goodrum was a 2 fWar player last year and he plays literally anywhere besides C or P. as a switch hitter Has some pop,and some speed, Perfect NL player.
Tigers aren’t competing for another 2 years, so adding Myers is ok, and they have a slot in RF or 1b for him.
Boyd> any of the 3 pitchers mentioned…3.6fWAR, which was more than all 3 and more than Lamet and Lucchesi combined.
TBH Detroit probably wants more/better, as Goodrum>Margot, they eat a net $38M in salary and Potts/Baez for Boyd isn’t likely enough to get that deal done on it’s own.
JoeBrady
I didn’t really get some of the comments about Goodrum. He’d be a pretty decent addition for a team like the RS. 2.1 WAR/650 over the past two years, plays 7 positions, can steal a base, and minimum wage.
Way too many fans only look at stars. Good GMs look at cheap, quality help.
Longboarder
It’s not that difficult. Do whatever it takes to get two #2 or #3 starters. Keep Yates for crying out loud. And let your youngsters grow up. They blew it by not signing Dusty Baker. I can’t believe they would pass over Baker and sign a guy that has never managed in the big leagues.
hoosierhysteria
Myers must go to AL. DH is his best fit…can play 1B backup…4th outfielder. He can steal bases.
Socrates Curveball
$160M in remaining guaranteed money owed to Hosmer & Wil Myers. Preller shot too early in Free Agency. Rather then waiting on the young core to emerge, he spent frivolously on Hos. Now Tingler arrives with a background in player development. Dumping Myers can be worked out but will require taking back a similar negative value contract, parting with prospects or likely a combination of both.
I’d call the Tigers. Myers with CJ Abrams plus addition prospects to get that money off the books. Pursing Strasburg sounds great in the media narrative… but when does Preller consolidate from his prospect base & trade for established big league vets?
Manuel Margot needs some clarity. Is he part of the core or a castoff? Can Padres carry his bat plus Hedges given the marginal production they’re getting out of Hos?
Preller needs to get creative.
hockeyjohn
Tigers still paying huge contract of Miquel Cabrera and are not near done with their rebuild. Why would they take on Myers and more bad money? Why would they want Margot, who was mentioned above?
JoeBrady
Because, as Socrates posted “Myers with CJ Abrams plus addition prospects”.
The question you raise, ‘why more bad money’, is exactly backwards. The question should be, ‘why NOT more bad money?’. What bad teams need to do is to use their payroll cap to accommodate better teams with their own payroll issues. What else are you going to spend on?
What do you think Seattle did last year? They took on some bad contracts. and, as an ancillary benefit, they later dumped some of the those contracts.
Abrams was the #6 pick in the draft last year. Just think of how much better Detroit will be in three years if they were to pick up another 2-3 top picks, in exchange for nothing but payroll relief?
hockeyjohn
The additional prospects will have to be good. Abrams and lesser names won’t do it. Fans are already dressing as empty seats in Detroit which is also hurting their bottom line. The prospect package would have to be valuable and highly rated enough to convince a team to take on another poor contract. I don’t see the Padres being willing to include enough to get the Tigers or another team to do it.
I think the only chance that the Padres have to get rid of him is in a trade of bad contracts or in a trade with substantial money and prospects to the team taking him in trade. I don’t see any team taking on the entirety of his contract.
JoeBrady
The additional prospects will have to be good. Abrams and lesser names won’t do it.
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It is the concept that counts, not the pieces. I can understand negotiating the pieces, and a lot depends on whether or not you think Myers is finished. Last year was a bad year, but his OPS+ in the 3 previous seasons was 112. To me, that’s in the range of Encarnacion & Bruce for Seattle last year. They were both skilled enough that, if you traded for them, there was a chance they would perform well enough that you could offload them at some point.
From my perspective, as a RS fan, I wouldn’t want Myers. But we need a 1B, and if Price was in the deal, Myers likely won’t stink up the joint.
Soldierofgod619
If Eric Hosmer has a similar replacement level next season team should be looking to move him asap. Myers 3 more years or less if traded. Once these two are off the roster the team will click.
Show Me Your Tatis
“If Eric Hosmer has a similar replacement level next season” then good luck trading him for anything.
Soldierofgod619
Don’t need to trade him for value its about dumping as much of his contract off the books as possible.
Show Me Your Tatis
If he has another replacement level season they won’t be able to dump ANY of that contract.
JoeBrady
How much of his salary do you think you’re dumping? If Hosmer were a FA today, At a level of 400 PAs, Hosmer was tied with Pujols for #30 among 1Bs in WAR.
I’m a gambling man, but he has 6 years left. If I were the RS, for a contract that long, the most I pay is $30M. That means SD is cutting a check for $72M. Honestly, while I absolutely hated the contract when it was signed, SD might be better off just holding on and hoping for some improvement. If you traded him and took a bath, then who is your replacement? Naylor? I like Naylor because his fallback is a DH, but he’s a big risk to replace Hosmer.
Show Me Your Tatis
Yes, Naylor would replace Hosmer