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The needs are clearer than the means for the Mets as they enter a critical second offseason under GM Brodie Van Wagenen.
Guaranteed Contracts
- Jacob deGrom: $130.5MM through 2023 (includes $20MM signing bonus, due in two installments on 1/2/20 and 1/4/21)
- Robinson Cano: $81MM through 2023 (excludes $15MM of remaining obligations owed by Mariners)
- Yoenis Cespedes: $29.5MM through 2020
- Jeurys Familia: $22MM through 2021
- Jed Lowrie: $13MM through 2020 (includes $4MM in remaining signing bonus obligations)
- Wilson Ramos: $10.75MM (includes $1.5MM buyout on $10MM 2021 club option)
- David Wright: $9MM through 2020 (excludes estimated $3MM covered by insurance proceeds)
- Justin Wilson: $5MM through 2020
Arbitration-Eligible Players (service time in parentheses; projections via MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz)
- Marcus Stroman – $11.8MM
- Noah Syndergaard – $9.9MM
- Steven Matz – $5.3MM
- Michael Conforto – $9.2MM
- Edwin Diaz – $7.0MM
- Seth Lugo – $1.9MM
- Brandon Nimmo – $1.7MM
- Robert Gsellman – $1.2MM
- Non-tender candidates: None
Free Agents
- Aaron Altherr, Luis Avilan, Brad Brach, Rajai Davis, Todd Frazier, Donnie Hart, Joe Panik, Rene Rivera, Zack Wheeler (declined qualifying offer)
- Juan Lagares (paid $500K buyout in favor of $9.5MM club option)
[New York Mets depth chart | New York Mets Nationals payroll outlook]
The Mets play in New York, as you may already be aware. But the club’s payroll in recent years has not quite matched its top-of-class market size … a fact you’re also likely familiar with if you’re reading this post. As we sit here today, the Mets are already committed to spending as much as or more than they have have in recent seasons, when they have seemingly operated with fairly clear budgetary restrictions.
So, the Mets are tapped out, right? They can try to move money via trades, but that would mean parting with useful players and/or prospects. Tapping into the talent pipeline would be awfully tough to swallow after having already cleared out some of the farm’s most promising youngsters over the past year in other swaps. It seems like a predicament.
Why, then, are we reading articles throwing around concepts of re-signing Zack Wheeler, landing a similarly spendy replacement, risking a good chunk of change on rehabbing reliever Dellin Betances, trading for Mookie Betts, etc? Does Van Wagenen have freedom to pursue such high-priced players or is he limited to value-for-value swaps that don’t add to the team’s existing payroll commitments?
There’s no answer here. It’s all a mystery. The team wouldn’t want the market to know its precise plans, so that’s sensible enough. But it makes it awfully difficult to assess the offseason possibilities and all but impossible to guess some of the key pieces that’ll be available to new skipper Carlos Beltran.
On the one hand, we’ve not been given reason to believe that the Mets organization is on the verge of a big payroll boost. The team seemed in position to do that sort of thing previously — on the heels of a surprise World Series appearance, say — and didn’t really surge in spending. On the other, Van Wagenen actually responded to questions about the $208MM luxury tax line in a manner that suggested it wasn’t completely absurd to ask about. His answer didn’t exactly indicate that the Mets would be ramping up to that level — “if the luxury tax threshold becomes something we have to consider, then we will talk about it at that time” — but the top baseball ops officer could have taken the opportunity to temper expectations and it seems notable that he didn’t.
While we don’t know for sure what financial means the Mets will have to address their needs, we do have a pretty clear idea of what the roster gaps are. And it’s also not hard to identify a few big-league pieces that could be utilized in lieu of prospects to help swing deals. First baseman Dominic Smith is the most obvious candidate to be moved after showing well with the bat but being eclipsed entirely by a large white bear (also known as Rookie of the Year Peter Alonso). And bat-first utilityman J.D. Davis could also be dangled in some scenarios. More on him below. We shouldn’t overstate the value of these players. Smith only had a brief showing last year due to injury; Davis rode a .355 BABIP. Both are limited on the basepaths and in the field. But they’re useful pre-arb performers with clear surplus value who’d hold clear appeal to a good number of rival organizations.
It’s also rather easy to see where the Mets could stand to improve. Let’s start in center field. With the end of the Juan Lagares era, and the failure of the other players brought in last season to supplement/challenge him, there’s a void up the middle. The preference is not to utilize Michael Conforto and/or Brandon Nimmo there, at least in a full-time capacity, so the optimal outcome is to secure the services of a full-time center fielder with a fall-back of getting a right-handed-hitting part-timer to platoon with those existing lefty bats.
Those two paths also play into the question whether Davis ought to be dealt or retained. If the Mets end up with a CF timeshare, then there should be more plate appearances left for Davis to pick up in the corners. But if the Mets find a regular to play in center, then perhaps Davis won’t have as many opportunities as might be preferred in the corner outfield. It’s easier to deal him in that case, perhaps even as part of the swap for the desired center fielder. The Mets could backfill with a low-cost, righty-hitting veteran to serve as a fourth outfielder … or try to dig up the next Davis in another trade. It’s worth pausing to note that Yoenis Cespedes remains a hypothetical candidate to return, though it remains utterly unclear whether and when that might happen. If the Mets have secret cause for optimism on Cespedes, perhaps that also tips in favor of a Davis swap.
So, the options in center … like many teams, the Mets make an ideal fit for Starling Marte of the Pirates. He isn’t cheap, but isn’t so expensive ($11.5MM in 2020 with an option for 2021) that the Mets can’t figure it out. The Bucs have previously chased after MLB-ready pieces rather than prospects, which suits the New York situation. We don’t know if the Pirates will deal Josh Bell, but if they do, Smith would make an awful lot of sense as a target. Trouble is, there ought to be rather intense competition on Marte. And there’s a new front office regime in Pittsburgh, with a shifting mandate that may favor more drastic action.
Rental piece Jackie Bradley Jr. will cost similarly in salary (a projected $11MM) and quite a bit less in return. It’s easy to imagine Ender Inciarte as a fit if the Braves go in a different direction … and decide to deal in their division. Perhaps Manuel Margot would be a nice compromise if something more can’t be done and the Padres decide to move on. He’s priced fairly ($2.1MM projected) as a platoon candidate with some hopeful upside remaining. There isn’t a regular option in free agency, unless you believe in incoming Japanese star Shogo Akiyama. He’s a left-handed hitter who doesn’t seem to have captured the Mets’ interest. Brett Gardner is likewise a lefty bat. The Mets could turn to Cameron Maybin or another righty-swinging part-timer on the open market.
That’s really the bulk of the work on the position player side. Most of the 4-through-6 infield time ought to be accounted for between Jeff McNeil, Amed Rosario, Robinson Cano, and Jed Lowrie — at least, supposing Lowrie can come back from the mystery issues that derailed his first season in New York. Luis Guillorme represents a utility option. Davis can play third base if he remains on hand, though metrics (DRS, especially) have panned his work there. It’s worth noting that top prospect Andres Gimenez is on the rise. He’s just 21 years of age but could crack the majors if he makes strides at Triple-A and there’s a need. You can certainly imagine a bit of supplementation for this group, perhaps in the form of minor-league signings, but the Mets can be rather confident in what they have.
It’s debatable whether that same confidence ought to extend behind the dish, where veteran Wilson Ramos remains a capable hitter and questionable defender. The opposite is true of reserve Tomas Nido. Van Wagenen has indicated he’s not inclined to pursue a major shakeup at the catching position — “we expect to go into the season with Wilson Ramos as our guy” — but will be “in the market looking for backup options.” The Mets could revisit talks with Yasmany Grandal after just missing him last year, but that’d be quite a surprise given those comments and the other, more pressing needs. Expect the Mets to look at the many lower-cost veterans available this year to shore things up behind the plate.
If it was as simple as adding a center fielder and a few complimentary pieces, the budgetary constraints wouldn’t be as worrisome. But the Mets also need arms. The starting staff has four pieces in place but needs several more, particularly given the health scares that some members of the group have had in recent seasons. It’s quite unlikely that the Mets will lure Wheeler back or replace him with an equivalently valuable player — again, unless there’s a much bigger budget to work with than we know. Van Wagenen had names to cite when asked recently about rotation depth. And to be sure, hurlers such as Chris Flexen, Walker Lockett, Corey Oswalt, and recent first-rounder David Peterson do represent near-term options. But it’s tough to rely upon those hurlers for significant contributions, particularly with a full rotation spot as yet unaccounted for. There has been some talk of stretching out Seth Lugo (and also Robert Gsellman), but it seems likely the team will hope Lugo can reprise his excellent relief work from 2019.
Van Wagenen knows that, which is why he has cited a need to improve in the rotation. It’s likely the Mets will try to land multiple pitchers capable of gobbling up innings. New Jersey product Rick Porcello would be the sort of durable bounceback candidate who’d make sense, though he doesn’t figure to be particularly cheap. There are options at every price point on the market this year. No doubt the Mets will be among the many teams prowling patiently as a high-volume class of free-agent starters seeks contracts.
The pen is obviously a need as well. Last year’s unit was one of the worst in baseball. There’s not much choice but to hope that Edwin Diaz figures things out. He could push Lugo back into setup duty with a big spring. Those two hurlers and lefty Justin Wilson will likely make up the key late-inning trio. Jeurys Familia is also going to be given every chance to find his form, though he’s likely destined for a lower-leverage spot to begin the year. Robert Gsellman is another hurler who is looking for redemption. Among the depth options, Paul Sewald stands out. He doesn’t get many swings and misses but got solid results in a brutal Triple-A environment and turned in a 22:3 K/BB ratio in his 19 2/3 MLB innings.
There’s certainly room to improve here. You could argue for two significant additions. But the budget crunch will make it tough to take risks in this area. It’s understandable that some fans would like to see New York native Dellin Betances make a dramatic cross-borough move. But if dollars are tight, that’s a big risk to take. A return for Jersey boy Brad Brach, who was solid late in 2019, would seem more realistic. Fortunately for the Mets, there’s an abundance of solid relief arms that should be available for fairly modest commitments.
In MLBTR’s ranking of the top fifty free agents, we guessed the team would come away with a fifth starter (Ivan Nova) and useful veteran reliever (Craig Stammen). New Yorkers were not especially excited by this — though, to be fair, they were much more upset at our equally ho-hum predictions for the Yankees. There’s no question the Mets can and quite arguably should do more. It’s a tough division, but they’re trying to compete and the window is certainly open. And, yeah, it’s New York.
Substituting out Nova and Stammen in favor of Cole Hamels and Will Harris just might make the difference … and would almost certainly cost an extra $12MM or more in 2020 salary alone. Bringing back Wheeler and adding multiple relievers would be even better … and yet more expensive. We just don’t know how the organization will behave this winter. But we’ll soon find out.
CrewBrew
only the mets would choose a manager who was involved in the Astros situation lol
CrewBrew
not saying hes to blame/was involved, but not a good look for a new manager to get a start on a team.
kingjenrry
The Red Sox did and got a ring out of it.
CrewBrew
not saying he wont be a good manager. Beltran is an intelligent baseball man.
Just funny how the one guy they choose had involvement in a pretty big scandal lol
Typical mets luck.
kingjenrry
You wrote “only the Mets”. The Red Sox hired a guy from the same team who definitely knew about it.
jbigz12
Not only that Beltran was a player; not a coach. He has no obligation to say anything about it as a player. Those are your guys on your team. You have to blame the organization for allowing it.
Padres458
Players could have spoke up.
VonPurpleHayes
They tried to, but were drowned out by thd banging of garbage cans.
SaberSmuckers
Point VPH.
MoRivera 1999
kingjenrry
“The Red Sox did and got a ring out of it.”
And isn’t that an interesting turn of events, considering they are the two known sign stealing clubs.
Canosucks
What do you expect from the Tampons!
Data from Star Trek NG has more of a personality than Brodie Van Lunchwagon.
Cano/Diaz deal is just 2 four letter words for Mets fans!
ksbywaino
When will the Free Agent Contest leaderboard come out?
Rangers29
Yeah i’d like to know too, cause I already got 3 right.
khopper10
This is the content that I came here for.
realgone2
That guaranteed contracts lists is ugly.
kingjenrry
Cespedes is over this year. deGrom is still pitching well. The reliever deals and Lowrie are short.
But holy cow was that Canó deal trash. The Mets took on a ridiculous amount of money and STILL gave up multiple first round picks.
bigdb
Mariners also took on Bruce (28m) and Swarzak (8.5m) in addition to sending 20m cash. That made the Cano deal a net of 63.5m over 5 seasons the Mets took on in new money.
Willy Mays
That might be true but it is currently up to 82 million because the Mets made big money on the trade the first year.
of9376
And both Bruce and Swarzak had much better seasons than Cano (although they all had the injury bug).
SaberSmuckers
How so “much”? Not following.
bush1
Bruce was way better than Cano and Diaz put together. The Phillies actually took on all of his salary because they wanted him. So his contract was actually an asset in a way.
khopper10
Can Lowrie play SS? If not, they have a logjam even without considering Davis. McNeil and Cano figure to play every day.
kingjenrry
Lowrie is fine as a bench piece.
findingnimmo
Rosario was one of their best played the last half of the season. He is building into what everyone hoped he would be. I feel a huge year ahead for him. Lowrie if healthy will just be a full infield utility man. Giving rest, pinch hitting, and their for injuries.
jbigz12
They had a logjam the day Brodie started as the GM. He added 2 second baseman in Lowrie and cano when he already had one. McNeil was already an option. Albeit an unproven one. He then added another 3B when he had Frazier and McNeil as options.
The logjam is caused because of moves the Mets willingly made. It’s not because they had a bunch of prospects come up and block each other. (Except for Smith and Alonso) Just extremely poor roster construction by Brodie. And now he’s stuck paying 2 2B gobs of money that are worse than the guy he had for the minimum. They could’ve signed Wheeler back with that money:
xSpecBx
The big question I have is do the mets spend this year knowing that they have a bunch of money coming off the books after this season?
Lowrie and Cespedes alone account for almost $40M against the tax and both their contracts will be done after 2020 (and neither have contributed so theres no loss there). Add Ramos to that list if they choose not to pick up his option and they will have plenty of cash to play with.
They will need to fill some of those holes (i.e. Catcher if they buyout Ramos), but they are probably in better shape than it appears if they can make some smart bullpen additions and get some bounceback years from a few people. Be interesting to see if guys like Alonso and McNeil can match their production from this year.
This just highlights how bad that Cano deal was too. It is tying up money and like others have said, creating a logjam that was just not necessary.
whynot 2
They were building depth, by adding people that could adequately man different positions. It was a strategy that for the most part worked. They were able to move people around and fill in holes. The area that hurt them the most was the bullpen, not having “logjams” at 2nd, 3rd and the outfield.
jbigz12
The Mets were also one of the worst defensive teams in baseball. Because guys like Dom Smith and JD Davis aren’t versatile. As much as you want them to be you can’t play a bunch of guys in spots they don’t belong. You get the results you pay for. And I don’t think getting Robbie Cano was bolstering depth or versatility. It just made them play infielders in the outfield.
When you have Robbie Cano, JD Davis, Todd Frazier, Jed Lowrie, and Jeff McNeil its no surprise you ran into some issues. All of those guys are either 2B or 3B or a combo of the two. McNeil is the only one of them with any versatility.
oaklandfan22
Lowrie cannot play shortstop.
stubby66
Can we some how get Domonic Smith or JD Davis to Milwaukee maybe for Gameland Griep
jvent
Dom Smith ,Lowrie and $5 mil to Milwaukee for Corey Ray and Jeffress, it solves 2 of the Mets problems a CF with speed and a decent RP and saves the Mets some $$ but it helps the Brewers at 1b & 3b
Rangers29
The mets are easily my 2nd favorite team, for starters don’t trade Mcneil or Alonso, or the 3.good starters, and I think a nice target in free agency would be Martin Perez for a solid 5 starter. For trades i’d go to the Mariners for Mitch Haninger, and then the rays for Oliver Drake. Dom Smith will control a lot of value in the market, so while you can, get as much as you can out of him, maybe in the Oliver Drake trade.
bush1
Haninger is ridiculously expensive. Every team in baseball would love him. Dom Smith wouldn’t even make a dent in a deal for a player of that magnitude, and the Mets already dealt their best pieces to the Mariners last year for the awful and expensive play of Cano/Diaz.
nymetsking
Haniger’s also a RF. Got enough corner OFs already.
thorshair
Mets are cheap and water is wet
kingjenrry
Not cheap. Poor. Cheap is having money and not spending it.
Birch
Fred Wilpon is poor? He’s worth $500M+ and just purchased shares back for $180M in early 2019. He’s not anything close to poor. He’s cheap. Are you the only Mets fan that doesn’t call them the Coupons?
nymetsking
I don’t. I call them the Wilponzis
jakec77
I know of no Mets fan who call them that. It’s the kind of references that’s mildly amusing the first 19 times that Steve Somers beats into the ground.
niched
These days you could argue that any owner who is not a billionaire is poor
nymetsking
Water evaporates. Cash from Fred’s vault stays put.
carlos15
Whatever happens the Mets will be going into 2021 with a ton of money off the books and all of their core in place. If nothing changes but Diaz rebounding they would be a playoff team. They may be eyeing 2021 as the year to push in the free agent market. Or they can even do so now knowing the relief that will come a year from now.
VonPurpleHayes
I think the Mets get creative and make a splash. Brodie loves the headlines.
Also I’m just here to point out that Cespedes made more than Bryce Harper in 2019. Cespedes will also make more than Harper in 2020.
CrewBrew
that splash hurt them last year with Cano. Wouldnt even call that a splash, more of a drowning.
kingjenrry
They were creative last year and made a big splash, and nearly everything Brodie touched turned to turds.
VonPurpleHayes
I don’t disagree, but this team wasn’t far off from being the 2019 Nats. They were good despite Brodie.
G Vanlue
He signed deGrom to an extension; he let Alonso start the season at the MLB level in spite of Super 2 concerns; he made a good trade for JD Davis; Justin Wilson was a useful signing. Even the signings and trades that did turn to turds weren’t all his fault- nobody would have expected or projected his main reliever acquisitions to have seasons as bad as they did, or Lowrie to miss almost the entire season.
niched
Good points, but still the Cano trade canceled it all out. It was a sucker trade
NickyNoodles
It isn’t absurd to think the Mets would go over the Luxery Tax for the 2020 season. Granted it’s not in their M.O. but their payroll drops substantially in the coming years, so they can afford to do so for a single year. The Mets only have $69.4 million committed to payroll for 2021, $56.2 million in 2022 and $50.7 million in 2023. If they were smart, they’d attempt to re-sign Wheeler and trade Syndergaard/Nimmo for Betts (extending his contract).
CrewBrew
I think theres a slim to none chance of Betts agreeing to an extension with anyone regardless of where he goes. He is dead set on testing the open market
NickyNoodles
I don’t disagree. The Mets would have to offer him an absurd amount of money and they’re probably still gun-shy b/c of Cespedes and Cano. Stranger things have happened though. I still expect BVW to do something big. He’s out to prove that last season was a fluke and that the Mets can compete.
CrewBrew
I think they do something big as well, but the Cano one legit made zero sense. You could have spent all that money going after a younger, better player. Cano is a shell of himself, and cant stay healthy.
But i agree, could see them maybe make a play for Lindor/Betts/Bryant
xSpecBx
And Cano has no place in an NL lineup, but will get playing time because of his salary.
kingjenrry
Syndergaard and Nimmo are above average baseball players. That would be a dumb trade, even with an extension, since the Mets could just sign him in free agency a year from now without giving up proven Major Leaguers.
findingnimmo
Betts isn’t going to extend. No reason for him to. He is going to score next year in free agency and doesn’t have to get stuck with a team that he doesn’t choose to go to if he was traded to the Mets. That deal to me isn’t worth it. Two years of noah for one of Betts isn’t worth it for me. I’d rather trade Noah for a decent cf and prospects. But that’s besides the point.
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Offseason Outlook: New York Mets- Same owners, same awful moves,
Phiilies2020
I think they should trade JD Davis and Dom Smith to the Pirates for Marte.
Trade Lowrie for an equally expensive reliever to a 2B needy team in a bad contract swap. Rockies for Wade Davis? Hope for a rebound.
Sign NJ native Rick Porcello to be their #5. His fly ball tendencies may play well in that park.
Keep Lugo and Gsellman in the pen.
Sign Billy Hamilton, true CF, to be your 5th outfielder and insurance for Marte and/or Cespedes.
Rosario is the everyday SS, Cano 2B, Alonso 1B. McNeill bounces around and gets some looks at 3B.
bush1
Pretty sure Marte will cost much more than Smith and Davis. I think the Pirates want good prospects at this point too.
Phiilies2020
If history is any indication, Davis & Smith fit the Pirates purgative. Affordable MLB-ready talent like the Moran & Musgrove in the Astros trade for Cole. They may opt for prospects and go the rebuild rout but they desperately need personel at the top level. I feel like Marte is slightly overrated by MLBTR authors. Hes an above average bat but below average defender in CF. I can see why the Pirates are aiming high but I don’t think they’ll get the return many people are expecting.
citizen
with cespedes, wright and they are still paying bobby bonilla, mets are guaranteed to have a below .500 finish.
Dan Hunter
like last year.
kingjenrry
How do you figure? They look to be a low to mid-80s team, just like they were last year.
bryan c
They won 86 this year. What does the salary of non-players have to do with the talent on the field?
citizen
Meaning they cant go out and spend money on middle relievers or a 3b since dead money is tied up to injured and non roster players to be under the salary luxary tax
bdpecore
I wonder if Trent Grisham and a young controllable reliever would be enough to get Dominic Smith in a Brewers uniform.
Rangers29
Way too much for dom smith, but I think maybe a couple of relievers (brent suter, and then devin williams). Trent grisham will probably take over for braun when he finally gives up.
bush1
That dumb Diaz/Cano deal really set this franchise back. Not to mention Kelenic could have helped the Mets more than either of those turds they got back for him as early as this coming year. Such a dumb deal from day one.
Phiilies2020
Agreed. They only did it because they were in love with Diaz. I don’t think anybody saw that bad of a season coming from him. Cano is league average at best and that’s being polite. They have no choice but to ride out Cano at this point. Can McNeill play 3B?
dugmet
a reasonable performance from Diaz and league average performance from Cano puts Mets in playoffs in 2019.
bryan c
Correct – all the hind sight GMs on here claiming the deal was awful from jump are clueless and missing the actual point – simply put, the Mets traded a good looking prospect for the BEST reliever in baseball from the prior year and swaped out a possible back end rotation piece and some garbage contracts of their own for Cano, who’s track record indicates he will hit closer to his second half numbers than his first half in the year ahead. NOBODY could have predicted Diaz having the terrible year he had. NOBODY. Cut the blown saves in half, we are talking a low to mid ninety win team that handled the Nats all year long….. woulda, coulda, shoulda, but it doesn’t make going for it wrong. Easy to say it failed in hindsight, but Diaz is under control for years to come – let’s see year two before we pronounce anything grand.
bush1
Even if Diaz was good it was still dumb to take all that Cano money on and give up your top prospects. A closer isn’t worth all that because they’re volatile. Just like Diaz was last yr. Obviously no one knew he’d be that bad, but it was a dumb deal even if he wasn’t bad. I said it the day the deal happened.
bush1
Plus your completely leaving out the extra $65 million the Mets took on in Cano’s contract vs holding on to Bruce (who was later dealt to the Phils and they absorbed his entire deal for free) and Swarzak who was better than Cano who not to mention is almost 40.
Leaving all that out conveniently doesn’t make it seem as bad and helps your argument, which I’m sure you know.
whynot 2
It was a win now deal. They took a chance, getting what they thought was a premier closer with years left before free agency and a position player they thought had enough in the tank. It didn’t quite work out as expected. Flipping over a prospect is crazy, yes he appears to have a very high ceiling but MLB history is full of high ceiling prospects that never lived up to the potential. The Mets know their window to win is small, like it or not they took a chance, can’t fault them for that.
bush1
I don’t know man. Even if Diaz was good last yr, taking on over $60 million on Cano at his age seemed way to hefty a price in addition to Kelenic, who isn’t the typical risky prospect by the way. He’s universally loved and was even before the deal.
whynot 2
Diaz was a mid-term play for the Mets. Going into last season they had to know their window to win was about 3 years, given they centered around their starters. During those years they were hoping to have one of the best closers at the top of their game making far less than a comparable free agent closer. The trade seem high risk but also high reward. Even with Cano’s limited production, if Diaz gives them 90% of his 2018 numbers they are in the playoff. Once in it’s a matter of who gets hot at the right time. The Nationals won despite that terrible bullpen. A couple of relievers put it together for a couple of weeks and the starts took care of the rest. With the starts the Mets had, who is to say something similar could not have occurred… of course that is all speculation
Willy Mays
Funny but if I was in that position I sign a good reliever to a 3 year contract save myself a 100 million dollar plus contract and keep two of my best minor league players in my farm system for the rebuild thats sure to come.But thats just me.I guess in your mind and BVWs mind it made perfect sense to blow a ton of money and ruin your farm system for a closer
whynot 2
Had it all worked out no one would be second guessing the deal. Plus it wasn’t $100 mil, Seattle took on money and sent money and a good reliever would have cost $30-50 + mil anyway. The minor league system is far from ruined, they were able to inject high end talent in the last draft. It’s not the best nor the worst, despite graduating a significant portion of the current roster over the last few years
bush1
After the Bruce and Swarzak swap in the deal the Mets took on $65 million. That doesn’t include the fact Bruce had a good year and the Mariners were able to have the Phils take on his full contract. So really the Mets took on $85 million in Cano. Also, Diaz makes money to and will get expensive through salary arbitration.
Yes, signing a good relief pitcher in free agency would’ve made waaaay more sense.
whynot 2
Remind me which elite closers/relievers were available last winter and how well did they do last season?
Willy Mays
As a Yankee fan I can think of two guys the Yankees signed who would’ve been better
bush1
Yeah Ottavino an Britton are easy to take. My point has always been the deal was dumb even before Diaz was awful. The Met system was weak before the deal, and giving up everything they did for a volatile position such as closer never made sense.
Freddie Morales
I have two trade ideas for the Mets to get both a SP and a RP. Both trades will not require much in prospects
trade with Giants for Cueto and Watson
trade with Orioles for Bundy and Givens
whynot 2
It’s so easy naming players on other teams you think could be obtained… how about saying what the Mets would need to give in return?
Freddie Morales
Gimenez and Peterson are guys that are expendable and worthwhile for the acquiring team.
whynot 2
I can live with that as long as it’s Gimenez or Peterson
eyesaiah
this ones easy
Bart Harley Jarvis
Shouldn’t we wait for BVW to do something stupid before we attempt to analyze the mets offseason?
jim stem
Will teams ever go back to loading up contracts with incentives to keep the guaranteed portions lower to create more salary cap room? Baseball has created its own Pandora’s Box and made the salary structure what it is.
As a player, would you rather have 10 million guaranteed per year or take 5 million with incentives that make 20 million relatively possible? Oh wait, agents wouldn’t make as much money that way so forget it.
whynot 2
Why do people keep speaking about salary caps in connecting to baseball. The luxury tax is by no means a cap. It’s a simple concept to understand.
MoRivera 1999
For the most part the luxury tax functions as a salary cap since the vast majority of owners will use it as an excuse not to spend more than$208MM on salaries. Hence, kinda like a cap.
whynot 2
My Honda is kinda like a Tesla/Porsche/Bugatti, it has wheels and drives, but they are not the same thing are they?
Moonlight Graham
I wonder what kind of trade value Nimmo has. If this offseason goes well, the Mets will pick up a center fielder, meaning Conforto is the RF. McNeill is a regular in the lineup, but that time can come at 3B or LF. Maybe Nimmo is their LF, but otherwise, the Mets can view Nimmo, Dom Smith, Davis and Lowrie as expendable, with one of them staying for depth/versatility.
If they prefer McNeil at 3B instead of LF, then one of Nimmo, Smith, or Davis could be viewed as the LF. Likely Nimmo stays as a starter, Davis stays as his platoon partner (and likely full-timer when Nimmo inevitably gets hurt), and Smith will make for a fine trade chip. Perhaps the Mets could send Smith to KC for Ian Kennedy: KC needs a 1B and would probably welcome the salary dump, while the Mets would receive an effective reliever.
Keeping Nimmo would certainly help give the Mets a lefty-heavy lineup, but even without him the lefties are well-represented.
Lowrie remains extra weight, but as someone previously suggested, maybe he can be swapped for a reliever with bounce-back upside. That wouldn’t be Wade Davis, though, because the Rockies have plenty of infield pieces.
themaven
What about Cespedes,where do you play him?
Nimmo has a bulging disc in his neck,his trade value is going to negatively affected by that for sure.
Even if the Mets pick up a gold glover in center they will still have a bad fielding team overall,but with Cespedes Nimmo and Conforto playing eveyday that could be a horror show.
Moonlight Graham
A healthy Cespedes has to be viewed as a bonus at this point. If he shows he’s fully healthy in spring training, they can address their redundancy then by maybe pulling another trade.
Canosucks
Mutt and Jeff Tampon are the worst. Now with Brodie Van Lunchwagon it has only gotten unwatchable.
After Wheeler leaves we can not expect the Mets to be anything better than 4rth place.
We don’t have the money to overtake the Braves, Nats, or Phillies.
I have been a lifelong Mets fan and we are stuck with it!
Diaz can not be counted on to all of a sudden get better.
Just to be constructive we should sign Kevin Pillar and wait a few years until some money clears. At least with Pillar we don’t have to give up any players.
whynot 2
“We”… I guess you must belong to the Tampon family. How does it feel to own a baseball team?
Canosucks
“We” as Met’s fans.
Secondly the Met’s, :), have no depth behind their four starters.
What happens if there is an injury?
If they think Flexen, Oswalt, and Lockett are an option at all they are crazy.
If I was the GM I would not even protect anyone of those pitchers on the roster from Rule 5 exposure.
They have already proven they are not capable of pitching in the majors!
whynot 2
How about waiting a bit and seeing what they do before going into a rage. Yes, they needs starting pitching depth along with lots of bullpen help, let’s see what happens. Also, you can’t just discount pitchers like those, out of the bullpen they could develop into something. I wouldn’t count on it, but you can’t fill a roster with just free agents.
whynot 2
Also… saying “we” as fan makes you sound like a 10 year old. If you are 10, then go ahead and say “we” all you like little buddy
wordonthestreet
Actually being critical of a fan saying “we” makes you sound like a ten year old.
parkers
Last year Yanks proved you can’t have too many duplicate position players. They ended up playing an entirely different lineup then they had projected. LeMahieu actually manned three different positions, after signing with no assigned position.
Six positions required having players not even on the team at the beginning or designated back ups.
My point is that to many things happen during the 162 game season. Having players who are versatile is a big advantage. You oft times have to give up a little defense to play a superior offensive one.
Watching Davis produce better and better with the more playing time he received, makes me wonder if his ceiling may be even higher. He always hit in the minors and seems that only a lack of consistent playing time hurt him with Houston.
I keep reading where some people are up set because they gave up some minor league prospects. Well what if a traded Davis only showed us a sample of what’s coming. Will people then say how foolish it was for BVW to trade away such a player?
As I see it the Mets have two specific concerns, Wheeler or his replacement and the bull pen.
If If If If Cespedes comes back they can live with a combo of Nimmo and Conforto in center. McNeil and Davis on a occasion. Third base with McNeil and Davis and on a occasion Lowrie. Second base Cano and McNeil. McNeil starts almost every game, all over the field. Taking advantage of deep talented roster allows mixing and matching as well as the ability to keep players fresh.
JohnMilner73
Please stop with the Mets are too cheap comments. According to CBS sports they were 8th in payroll last year. With the exception of the Madoff scandal and the few seasons that followed it they have spent money.. The problem is, they don’t spend it wisely and they have a zero baseball I.Q. They hire a former player with no experience to be their GM. That they took on Cano in the Diaz trade showed that he couldn’t do the job, But he was Cano’s agent (no conflict of interest here Rob Manfred?) And while I was not at all a fan of Mickey Calloway, but they had a great second half and the team really seemed to rally around him.. That last game with Dom Smith winning it with a homerun. That’s the stuff that solidifies teams. I think Carlos Beltran is well qualified to be a manager but I would’ve hired Gerardi.
RaeRae
The Mets owners have pocketed all insurance payments on injured players like Cespedes. They received $14,000,000 last year from insurance on Cespedes but will not use any of that money to sign necessary free agents to help the team in 2020. Instead of having a measly 20 million to spend on free agents the owners have 34 million but will not use the 14 mil to reinvest on the team.
JackStrawb
@Rae There’s also the problem that it looks like the team had 35m-40m to spend this offseason and chose to add… no premium players. The closest they came was the complete roll of the dice that is Betances, who had one appearance last year after arm surgery, jumped off the mound, and tore his Achillies tendon. How do you not add good players coming off solid years for 35-40m?