Wednesday’s reported agreement between Kyle Gibson and the Rangers to a three-year, $30MM deal will likely not go down as the most impactful free agent deal signed by a starting pitcher this offseason. Due to an assortment of early-career injuries, Gibson reached free agency relatively late, at 32 years of age, with the additional misfortune of doing so in the shadow of names like Gerrit Cole, Stephen Strasburg, and Zack Wheeler. While Gibson might not represent the flashiest name to find a new uniform this winter, his Texas signing represented part of an apparently ongoing talent acquisition strategy in Arlington.
As noted by our own Jeff Todd and Steve Adams, Gibson’s deal fit the mold of the organization’s recent signings of pitchers like Mike Minor and Lance Lynn. Those deals have worked out swimmingly for president of baseball operations Jon Daniels, with Minor and Lynn fronting a 2019 staff that helped lead Texas to a surprisingly solid 78-84 finish in 2019. Minor’s own spotty track record of health allowed Daniels to secure his services for a three-year, $28MM commitment prior to 2018; Lynn, fresh off of a disappointing 2018 following several years of solid performance, inked a three-year, $30MM accord with Texas prior to last season. In 2019, those economical signings provided Texas with a combined 418.2 innings of 3.63 ERA pitching.
Not one of these pitchers could be called a true reclamation project. Like Lynn and Minor, Gibson comes to the Dallas area with a few warts on his health report, some inconsistencies in performance, and a few flaws in his statistical profile; he also arrives with a fairly solid body of cumulative work and a few reasons to believe his best pitching may be yet ahead of him. While his early career Tommy John procedure goes a long way toward explaining his late entry to the free agency portal, Gibson’s made 25 or more starts in every season since 2014. Not every campaign has been brilliant, with an ERA exceeding 5.00 between 2016 and 2017, but the big righty was a sub-4.00 ERA starter in 2015 and 2018, while this past season saw him record career bests in K/9 and K/BB ratios (due, perhaps, to some measurable improvements in his repertoire). The Mizzou product won’t be confused with an ace, but he’s accumulated 5.2 fWAR over the past two seasons and could be called the archetype of a “back-of-the-rotation” arm. Meanwhile, Texas will roll out Gibson, Minor, and Lynn for a combined annual commitment of roughly $31MM next season–perhaps less than it will cost an acquiring team for one yearly serving of Cole.
Detractors of the deal, however, will point to a serving of Cole as having been an entirely realistic holiday season wish. After showing a willingness to sport a $160MM-plus Opening Day payroll in 2017, Texas ownership has since pared down OD payrolls bit-by-bit; 2020’s opening payroll, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts, is projected to fall at roughly $110MM as presently constructed. The Rangers, as you may have heard, are moving into a new ballpark in 2020, raising fanbase expectations in regard to on-field product. And as for that new stadium? Daniels will have to hope that Gibson can keep the ball within its confines, as the hurler’s 20.4% HR/FB rate from last season does not bode well for a pitcher performing in the dry Texas heat. If Gibson performs the way Minor and Lynn have as Rangers, this deal will look like another reasonable move in a market where reason can oftentimes lose out; if his struggles with the long ball lead to another up-and-down season, fans will likely wonder why the club didn’t aim higher in its search for starting pitching.
In your opinion, is the Gibson signing a shrewd continuation of a tried-and-true Texas trend or an underwhelming half-measure in light of 2020 expectations? (Poll link for app users)
jbigz12
Probably a C+/B- range for me. I don’t see the same kind of stuff here that could get better like a Lance Lynn or Mike Minor. Those deals have obviously been phenomenal successes. But this one doesn’t have to pan out like that to be useful. If he’s a 180 inning 4- low 4 ERA guy they’ll make out just fine.
Yeetus
F. Paying $10 mil/ year for a 5th starter is not something winning teams do
StandUpGuy
Did y’all know that this guy is the grandson if the man that created the Gibson guitar company? Man… That’s a seriously independently talented family. One guy creates one of the best selling premier guitar brands of all time and now his grandson gets a $30 million contract to play baseball? Wow.
Vin Scully
Gibson guitars have been pretty lousy for the past 10 years. The company is struggling. So there is that.
getright11
No he’s not. Dude just made it up.
Vizionaire
for the rangers his era will range between 5.00 and 7.00.
DTD_ATL
Most people probably thought the same thing with Minor and Lynn
socalbum
mediocrity does not win championships
Begamin
yes because everyone on a championship winning team is always an above average player. not saying that the rangers will be anything impressive next year or the next two but the greatest teams all have had mediocre if not bad players on their championship winning rosters.
i feel like every time someone that is not one of the top FAs gets signed people go out and say stupid stuff like this as if theres no use in signing a player if theyre not Gerrit Cole or something
socalbum
2019 Rangers were 6 games below .500 and is loaded with mediocre players, Is the addition of Gibson going to make this team anything other than mediocre?
cheesesteak
The author called their 78-84 record “solid”.
Begamin
I did say “not saying the rangers will be anything impressive next year” but i guess you missed that.
Anyway, you’ve missed my point and I dont feel like repeating myself.
justinkm19
They were first in the WC and had their best hitter and MVP get hurt. Gallo was in the AL MVP talk when he got hurt
DodgerNation
But relatively cheap backend starters do help…
Begamin
exactly, everyone has their roles. 10MM a year is the generally the starting point for FA SP. not everyone on a roster is can be elite.
Vin Scully
10 million is not cheap. There are many league minimum guys that can get shelled like Gibson does.
Begamin
Theyre only league minimum because they are still on their rookie contract. Find me SP getting league minimum after hitting the open market.
I mean, Michael Pineda was given a 2 year 10 mil contract two years ago but only because they knew he was going to be injured for most, if not all, of the first year of that contract. CC Sabathia just had a 8 mil contract last year.
10MM on the open market is generally the price floor for SP.
Wellthisshouldbeinteresting
Yeah but Nelson Cruz catching a ball would have.
bravesfan
I like this signing overall, but I don’t think it’s an amazing value deal or anything. I gave it a C.
mlb1225
Honestly don’t really see the appeal of Gibson outside of a subpar innings eater. This guy had an ERA above 5, and WHIP above 1.5 between 2016 and 2017.
PapiElf
I just have something random to say: This man’s last name is Gibson. That means that he is “the son of Gib.” Who is Gib? I want to meet this man!
clepto
[Yawn]
bbook38
New stadium…and texas dry heat. Ummm guess they don’t realize the new stadium has a roof so the Texas heat won’t be an issue.
txrangers13
Lol.. and it’s not “dry heat”. It’s humid AF including over 100* temps.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
That’s gonna be a huge issue when the Rays,A’s or Marlins are relocated to Las Vegas.. It might not happen until 2023 when they have a place for a baseball Stadium but if they move within 2 years while they build it. They can play in Allegiant Field. Which has a roof.
stonepony
“does not bode well for a pitcher performing in the dry Texas heat.” – Will he pitching in the parking lot outside that wonderful air conditioning coming to Texas?
Domingo111
Pretty good deal for the money. Of course he isn’t an ace who makes them a contender but a solid number 4 starter who stabilizes the rotation and can post a low 4s era probably pushing a 5 era guy out of the rotation.
Still they need to do something for the top of the rotation especially when minor or lynn regress a little.
Domingo111
Pretty good deal for the money. Of course he isn’t an ace who makes them a contender but a solid number 4 starter who stabilizes the rotation and can post a low 4s era probably pushing a 5 era guy out of the rotation.
Still they need to do something for the top of the rotation especially when minor or lynn regress a little.
Sutter
Gibson is consistently inconsistent
DarkSide830
consistently mediocre
gmenfan
How can someone inconsistent mess up so consistently ?
Sutter
The Twins spent the last 7 years trying to answer that exact question
Jake1972
I believe he will regress and be cut after second year of the contract.
Strike Four
Gibson is a 5th starter. I mean, you do need one of them, but dropping years into one guy sounds like a risky plan to me.
Houston Pierce
Everyone saying this is a bad deal is delusional. 10 Mil a year for a consistent innings eater isn’t over paying at all. The rangers aren’t done adding to the rotation, if Gibson is our #4 and the rangers sign a legitimate ace, then we could easily have a top 10 rotation in the league.
Saint Chris
Yep Gibson could be a number four or five, some filler for the rotation, but much the same was said about Lynn and Minor too, and they have far exceeded expectations. Per Baseball Reference, they ranked 2 & 3 in pitcher WAR in all of baseball. Everyone seems to think the Astros have the ability to vastly improve pitching performance in it’s starters, but it may well be this is the case for BOTH Texas teams.
jb19
Lynn and Minor ranked 2 and 3 in bWAR… so that means Cole or JV was 1 and then behind one of the two you mentioned. So that begs the question, would you trade Minor or Lynn for the SP that was not #1? Of course not. JV and Cole were much superior to either Lynn or Minor. Any suggestion otherwise is laughable. Great job on 3rd place in the division btw
Saint Chris
My Tigers finished last in their division, not 3rd.
Would I trade Lance Lynn or Mike Minor for Gerit Cole? If payroll was not part of the equation, of course I would prefer Cole. That’s not the point, though.
The point is the Rangers somehow managed to extract 15.2 WAR last year from 2 pitchers they paid a total of $19m for last year. They have been able to–somehow–bring out the best in these under-the-radar signings that a lot of people scoffed at at the time of the signing.
Appalachian_Outlaw
I gave it a “C”, but I’m also not a Rangers fan. He’s a decent back of the rotation type of arm though, and the price ain’t bad. Now if I was a Rangers fan, and my team was about to move into a shiny new crib, I’d probably grade it a bit lower. I’d want to win, after all. Any Texas fans weighing in?
neoncactus
I like the deal. Rangers need a lot of pitching help and this gives us another decent starter and they still have money to chase other, bigger moves. If this is our biggest move of the offseason, I’m coming back and lower my grade, but hopefully as one of many necessary moves, I like it.
whyhayzee
Solid move. 30 starts, 180 innings. .500 record, 4.50 ERA. Put him in the 4 or 5 spot. He will be fine. As long as he doesn’t fake doggy pee every time he strikes someone out.
jdgoat
One too many years for a back of the rotation pitcher.
DarkSide830
this guy is terrible. i dont see the upside at all, and $10 million is a terrible deal if he is a 4.50 ERA pitcher going forward.
No Soup For Yu!
A 4.50 ERA in this age of inflated homerun totals and better offense would be a fair bit above average, especially in the American League. Kolby Allard had a 4.96 ERA (in 9 starts) for the Rangers but recorded a 109 ERA+. Even Gibson’s 4.84 ERA last year was only 5 percent below average. I’d be plenty satisfied with a 4.50 ERA if this offensive surge continues.
DarkSide830
slightly below the league average in one of his best seasons isnt something to write home about. he was bad before the ball was juiced too. there are plenty of pitchers with better numbers over the past 4 years, and simply being around average the last two of them doesnt make you worth 30 million. Julio Teheran, for example, will likely settle for less, but is well better.
No Soup For Yu!
Lance Lynn was around average for two years and was just coming back from Tommy John surgery the year before those two, and he got 30 million largely because of strong peripherals in his platform year (in Gibson’s case, a career best K/9 rate and solid BB/9 rate) and dependability to eat innings. People thought it was an overpay for Lynn too, but the Rangers saw something there and struck gold. I doubt Gibson will blossom into a Lynn type player, but his peripherals this year painted a better picture than his ERA (low 4s or high 3s), so to think this is a bad signing at this moment after two straight successes with similar cases is foolish.
Allinws
A if they can get similar results from what they got from Minor and Lynn which I think is very likely
jbigz12
mlbtraderumors.com/2018/12/rangers-nearing-deal-wi…
If you recall many people hated the lance Lynn deal last year too. If you hated that deal; I suspect you will hate this deal. Considering Lynn was a better starter over the course of his career.
I’m not as high on Gib as I am on Lynn but JD has had success w this deal twice now. There’s either luck or skill there. Maybe a bit of both. But I’d have a hard time trashing this deal today. I think you’re going to get more of a #4 starter here and not the Minor/Lynn type. But you don’t have to have that to make this deal worthwhile.
No Soup For Yu!
There are some hilarious comments on that post. “He will get TORCHED!” “His career is over now.” “Another bottom of the barrel signing.” It’s like no one understands peripherals, and in this comment section, despite Gibson having solid peripherals with a career best K/9 rate, it’s more of the same. I doubt Gibson will be as good as Lynn was, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume he’ll be a solid BotRP with Texas.
jbigz12
Yep. Obviously you have to hope the ballpark plays more neutral. But Gibson being a ground ball pitcher is definitely a plus if it does not.
What people are really not seeing here also is that the Rangers don’t have much in the way of ML ready arms. They have the 4 lefties—-Allard,Hearn, Palumbo, and Burke. None of which are a sure thing as a starting pitcher. And i’d imagine none of which you can bank on to pitch deep into the season. Obviously if they do that’s just an added bonus. Minor is a free agent at seasons end and their best pitching prospects are years off.
Gibson fills a hole in their rotation for the foreseeable future. Like the Minor and Lynn deals, getting him for a reasonable 3 year guarantee leaves the possibility of getting surplus value on the deal
bradthebluefish
High ERA, subpar FIP, subpar WHIP, low WAR, hasn’t eclipsed 200 innings… not much to love about the guy, especially when he’s exiting his prime years.
No Soup For Yu!
Gibson’s FIP would have been about 10% above average with today’s offensive boom, and he’s only low WAR if you go by bWAR. fWAR pegged him as a 2.5 win pitcher, and the strikeout rate was the best of his career. He’s no ace, but there are several things to like even with the red flags.
Eatdust666
I’m giving it a C. He won’t be as good as Lynn and Minor were this year, but since he is a back of the rotation pitcher, if he has a decent record, a low 4 ERA and a good amount of innings, say like 180, they will be happy.
realgone2
Seems like a bit much as far as the money
macstruts
The Rangers hit a home run with Lynn and Minor. Who am I to say anything negative about Gibson.
terry g
Let’s see the fans of the Angels, Twins, Braves, Rangers, Phillies. Padres, Whites Sox and Yankees all say their club needs to, has to sign an ace. Guess what? There isn’t that many aces on the market. Gibson is not an ace but he’s a good signing. He is an inning eater and every club needs one or two of those. The third years is worrisome. Probably was necessary to get him to sign.
HalosHeavenJJ
Angels fan here who realizes you need some dependable arms. A guy like Gibson saves bullpen guys and generally prevents you from going too far down the depth chart. The innings he gives you might not be great, but they are better than having a waiver claim starting games like the Angels have had several years in a row.
HalosHeavenJJ
B. Guy is pretty consistent, pitches quite a few innings, and the Rangers paid exactly what was expected.
If he throws up 1.5 WAR per year, it is a fair deal for Texas. I do wonder if moving to a tougher division (at least offensively) will hurt his overall numbers.
lowtalker1
Slow news day.. Monday and then another week for fun. Bored
bobtillman
There’s a little too much of drawing false parallels going on here. Success with two different 3/30 deals doesn’t mean that every 3/30 deal’s a good one.
Strikes me as being heavy for a pitcher who not at all “toolsy”, and results wise is somewhat less than “meh”. Gibson’s not bad; nor is he especially good. And 10M for a back of the rotation guy is actually pretty costly. I know they’re in need, and (supposedly) are going to be generating extra coin with the new park, but you still have to spend it wisely.
DarkSide830
people said the same thing about Nova and Archer in Pittsburgh as well. some teams can revamp some pitchers, but in reality, that “magic” only lasts so long. same will be the case in Houston and Texas, and i think Gibson may break the issusion in the case of the latter.
DTD_ATL
As it stands now, their payroll is about 60 mil lower than the past few seasons so it’s not an overpay considering funds available.
whuron
He’s going to outperform this deal if he makes some slight changes to his approach. Potentially great deal for Texas.
C-Daddy
I can’t say I understand what Texas is doing. They are mediocre at best and aren’t signing any players that move the needle.
DTD_ATL
Only 2 teams have signed a player that moves the needle so far. It’s still early and baseball FA moves slowly. Very little typically happens until the winter meetings.
Dodgethis
Without listing team revenue, payroll is meaningless. Trying to judge a team based on player payroll is absurd.
stl4life
He was pretty solid in 2018… dealt with e-coli and ulcerative colitis since before spring training last year… lost 30 pounds. It’s actually quite impressive he was able to take the ball every 5th day in 2019. He can be a 2-3 in this rotation easily if they are able to help get his UC under control. This could be one of those signings where 29 other teams are kicking themselves…
Vizionaire
the rangers are not going to air condition playing areas!
californiaangels
wish the Angel’s got him.. dang
Moneyballer
He’s a durable starter but honestly, I was walking on eggshells through most of his starts last year. Just when you think he’s got it going he’ll allow some big hits to happen and then all of a sudden we’ll have big trouble on our hands. The homerun ball is his nemesis and if he can somehow limit those, he can be effective. Best of luck in Texas – depending on who we sign to replace ya, I’m a little relieved that we have moved on. Great guy, great talent just never lived up to his potential.
Texassooner
How can anyone grade this FA signing, yet? If he is all the pitching to be obtained and is our #3 starter then it is disappointing. If he is the 4th starter then it is an excellent signing.
Fire Jon Daniels
My grade of this move can’t be made without the complete list of signings at the end of the offseason. If JD gets him AND a star player, it’s an A. If this is the headliner it’s a B-/C+
AllinTX
I really believe this is going to be like their 3rd best acquisition this offseason.
astros_fan_84
I voted A. I think it’s a great move. Sure, it could blow up in the Rangers face, but 3/30 for a playoff caliber SP is a low risk move. The Rangers still have tons of money to make other moves. Not every team can buy a bunch of 30M/yr players, and the Rangers have a bunch of holes. This fixes a hole, and gives Jon Daniels flexibility to keep working.
Finlander
Tough to grade accurately without knowing if he is healthy again or how the new ballpark behaves. His secondary pitches and whiffs improved under new pitching coach despite health problems. The slider and change were nasty at times. Velocity improved too. If he could improve command this could be a nice signing. Gopher balls are a worry. But improved command should reduce that. I think it is a possible B signing. But I cautiously give it a high C. Let’s see if he is healthy and how he develops rapport with another coach.
bigbadjohnny
How can anyone honestly grade a trade when the players have not even played with their new teams yet !
DTD_ATL
It’s called an educated guess.
bigbadjohnny
Just saying……lets say you are a student….and before you take a test at your new school…..the teacher gives you a “D”,…….
these type of Polls are useless !
its_happening
A #4 receiving $30 for 3 because he knows how to stay healthy enough find barrels every 5th start.
D grade. Texas just threw money away when they did not have to.
jdodge22
Yawn. I feel bad that someone wasted time in their life to write this post. Kind of like I am now. MLB needs to figure out something because they are losing interest and their off season has become a snoozfest. This used to be a big part of being a fan, speculating and playing armchair gm and reading all the rumors. Their is literally no buzz at all about squat. Look at the NBA and how their past off season went down. That was exciting, or as exciting as it could get but so much happened and it was right around the time you start to forget about basketball. With the MLB now you have to wait to just before and sometimes even during spring training for big names to sign. We still have three months til then. It sucks that this sport is dying. Over bloated contracts are a big reason. And they still by and large don’t think they get paid enough. I don’t care how much the owners make because they are the owners. For all the people that defend the multi hundred million dollar player for not being satisfied, why don’t you defend the Walmart employee or the McDonald’s cashier? Or even the US soldier that in 15 lifetimes wouldn’t make what these guys do. That’s killed my love for it..obviously.
Vin Scully
Baseball is dying because it is boring. Boomers are their primary fan. And as that generation goes so will baseball.
jdodge22
From beyond the grave! Thanks vin. You are a treasure. Baseball was always boring but there were far less alternatives before a few years ago. And instead of recognizing and working toward fixing this they all contribute in different ways to make the problem worse. Longer times in between pitches. Constant pitching changes late in games when you’ve already gone past the viewing time you can bare..and that’s if you actually sat and watched the whole game up to the6th. God bless your soul if you did because that is torture now. Home runs and strikeout numbers go through the roof killing any possible excitement. The launch angle theory and sign stealing have done so far much more damage than the steroid era ever did. At least at that time you still had 2bs and bunts and plays at the plate and stealing. It’s a combination of things that are what’s killing a once great game. The problem really is that there is hardly a man inside the game that acknowledges that there is even a problem. Their vast over inflation if there own self worth doesn’t allow that there could be a problem here. How in the hell do these players and coaches sit thru these entire games on a nightly basis and not recognize that goddamn this boring.
AllinTX
“fans will likely wonder why the club didn’t aim higher in its search for starting pitching”
So I guess this dude thinks this is all the Rangers are getting regarding pitching.
I’m pretty sure they’re going to go hard after Wheeler and if they don’t succeed on that. Then they’ll go after Bumgarner or Ryu.
AllinTX
The Rangers should have between $60MM-$80MM available to add this offseason. They should be able to afford a Top 8 payroll in MLB.
Time to get Moustakas 3/40MM (if the price for Donaldson goes above 65MM) . Sign Wheeler 4/85MM-5/100MM. Pineda/Teheran 2/16MM. Then trade for Marte and call it an offseason.
Vin Scully
He is not any good. The Rangers could easily find a league minimum guy or guys that can put up a 5 ERA. Waste of money.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Considering most of us have no clue who he is. He got a great pay day. It’s an overpay but good for him. 30 million guaranteed. reminds me of milton Bradley getting 3/30 from the Cubs. He had never been on 1 team more than a season and a half..10 teams in 12 years isnt a great track record
Omarj
1yr for 10 maybe, but 3 year 30 mil? overpay for a bottom tier team. 2 yr 16 mil for a guy with some injury issues. and maybe throw in some incentives. I give it a C+.
getright11
These polls are the dumbest. 3,428 voted, 3,426 have no clue what they’re voting for.