Knew a Yankees “fan” in the early naughts who for the life of him couldn’t pronounce Abreu. Every game he’d be yapping it up “come on A-Brew! Let’s go A-Brew!”
He also called Cano “Kane-o” which was just as bad but it at least reminded me of Mortal Kombat.
Are you sure he deserves to be in the hall of fame? We’re talking Jeff Kent, right? He was good for many years…as a defensively neutral second baseman with no outstanding abilities or career stats, and hardly any reasonable contribution to a meaningful championship contending team without Barry Bonds batting after him in the lineup. If Kent is a hall of famer then so is Jason kendall because both were solid all around players but neither ever really did anything.
it’s funny you think schilling didn’t juice at all.
sure, a guy at age 33, with 2000 innings under his belt, magically turns into an elite player, while playing on 2 teams with several known juicers (and flipped on steroids once he started benefiting from it).
and before anyone chimes in, it’s not his politics keeping him out, it’s the fact without roids, he was mid tier at best (whereas clemens and bonds were good without steroids).
As a brave fan I’d like to see them sign wheeler or Gerrit Cole and then play the smart hand and sit tight with the prospects we have and let them play. (Riley,camargo, Pache, Waters, Wilson; Wright) I’m assuming they will pick up a defensive minded cheap catcher to pair with flowers as well.
MadBum has started to worry me after looking at his stats. If he posted a 3.90 ERA and gave up 30 homers in the cavernous park in SF with the super humid and dense Bay area air, what’s he gonna do in a smaller park that is far less humid? Anybody know what his road stats were last season?
Where did you look up his ERA, in your hand copy of the Baseball Digest? The same place (Baseball-reference, or any number of places) has those splits. Look in the section called “splits’.
I didn’t actually look the stats up. I think I just remembered reading them on this site. Someone told me his road ERA was much higher which doesn’t seem to bode well for another team that signs him.
I kind of assumed that but I wasn’t exactly messing with you. I don’t get why anyone thinks he is worth a $72 million contract if his ERA was 3.90 and he gave up 30 homers during a season that he had a serious home field advantage that won’t be available to him on another team next year. Those numbers aren’t stellar and it seems like he can only get worse with a change of scenery. I predict that he and Pablo Ozuna are going to be the two players most negatively affected by the QO this offseason. Ozuna should have flat out accepted his. I just can’t figure out why any team would want to pay that kind of money to a pitcher whom they should expect to have an ERA above 3.90 and give up more than 30 homers. I would love to see what his stats would be like if he pitched in Colorado next season.
“Well, Marlins co-owner Mr. November, you’re supposedly interested in Castellanos and Ozuna. I think either would be a plausible fit for a team that has spending room and wants to draw in more fans.”
There cannot possibly be any fans out there who would say “Well, I wasn’t going to go to the Marlins game, but now they have Castellanos/Ozuna, so I will now”
I don’t really disagree with that sentiment, but that’s about as splashy as it’s going to get for the Marlins right now. Jeter has said the Marlins need more fans to show up, and they have some money to spend. It needs to go somewhere … so there you go. “Enjoy your 2-3 WAR outfielder, alienated fan base.”
Then no to the old commissioner to right? Oh but wait, he’s already in, like Piazza and the rest that weren’t exposed. Bonds was a HOFer with or without it, so yes, he deserves to go. What’s funny to me is the excitement they brought to the game day in day out now they are retired and people trash them. I don’t like Bonds and his attitude, and I’m a fan of the Giants but I sure liked showing up to the park and watching him hit bbommmbs!
Clemens and Bonds should both be in the hall of fame. Steroids, and cheating the game in general in whatever way you can, isn’t a cut and dry issue but both Bonds and Clemens did enough to deserve their credit. They were both HOF caliber players/talents in the early to mid 80’s before they ever got to MLB. It’s the equivalent of saying Soto or Acuna aren’t deserving should they screw up in the future. You can’t teach that level of talent and those who have it should be celebrated and appreciated
Richard Moss reversed the Curt Flood Supreme Ct ruling by suckering the owners into Arbitration to settle all disputes. Next he won the Messerschmitt case and got a ruling that all players would be free agents. Thereafter, he came up with the current system which limited the number of FA s and drove up the players $$$ due to the laws of supply and demand. He was the FIRST megaagent with at least one player on every MLB team .
A few years ago Boras claimed he invented the current system which is a big lie.
I’m no fan of the ‘roids era’, but Jeter getting into the HOF before Bonds or Clemens is some kind of sick joke. Jeter was a solid player, but he wasn’t a superstar. The HOF should be a shrine for ‘otherworldly’ talented humans, not ‘grinders’ and ‘dirtbags’.
Jeter had longevity and durability, and was a good player for a long time, but he was only occasionally great. He was a complier. Plus, he was a Yankee. That’s enough to get into the Hall of Fame, I guess.
I can’t for the life of me figure out why people are so high on Boyd. Sure he can strike guys out but he just isn’t consistent and get knocked around way too much.
Agreed. I think part of it is the fact that there are not that many cost-controlled, lefty starters with upside on non-contending teams (i.e. trade targets). So, by virtue of being a bit rare, it seems that Boyd has skyrocketed to the top of the list of available guys. Remember when mediocre Danny Duffy was in a lot of trade rumors a while back? Seems a bit similar here…
glad to see we have a Bobby Abreu fan in the house. no reason he shouldn’t be in id say, save the voters have their priorities wrong.
Knew a Yankees “fan” in the early naughts who for the life of him couldn’t pronounce Abreu. Every game he’d be yapping it up “come on A-Brew! Let’s go A-Brew!”
He also called Cano “Kane-o” which was just as bad but it at least reminded me of Mortal Kombat.
People from New York call me Hor-Gay. They can’t seem to pronounce Hor-Hey. I take it in stride…..
They also pronounce Hews-ton, Hows-ton and say “wait on line” instead of “wait in line” – NYers are damn weirdos
Bout spit my beer out reading the “Cole is nowhere near as good as Price, Verlander, Greinke, and Scherzer” comment
Jeter, Schilling, Kent, Wagner, then reserve your next 6 votes on that “should I pick a PED guy or not” debate.
Are we sure Kent was clean?
Are you sure he wasn’t?
Are you sure he deserves to be in the hall of fame? We’re talking Jeff Kent, right? He was good for many years…as a defensively neutral second baseman with no outstanding abilities or career stats, and hardly any reasonable contribution to a meaningful championship contending team without Barry Bonds batting after him in the lineup. If Kent is a hall of famer then so is Jason kendall because both were solid all around players but neither ever really did anything.
Wagner is absolutely underrated and im glad to see someone appreciates him.
it’s funny you think schilling didn’t juice at all.
sure, a guy at age 33, with 2000 innings under his belt, magically turns into an elite player, while playing on 2 teams with several known juicers (and flipped on steroids once he started benefiting from it).
and before anyone chimes in, it’s not his politics keeping him out, it’s the fact without roids, he was mid tier at best (whereas clemens and bonds were good without steroids).
Purely speculation but that mid career spike in HR rate and roid rage episode in the dugout cast some doubt on him being a clean player
As a brave fan I’d like to see them sign wheeler or Gerrit Cole and then play the smart hand and sit tight with the prospects we have and let them play. (Riley,camargo, Pache, Waters, Wilson; Wright) I’m assuming they will pick up a defensive minded cheap catcher to pair with flowers as well.
i think madbum is your best option price wise and clubhouse wise. Need a vet like him to help the 5+ SP prospects you have coming
Sure, until his head explodes from watching Acuna jog to first on a fly ball off the wall.
It would be Acuna who would have the exploding head.
MadBum has started to worry me after looking at his stats. If he posted a 3.90 ERA and gave up 30 homers in the cavernous park in SF with the super humid and dense Bay area air, what’s he gonna do in a smaller park that is far less humid? Anybody know what his road stats were last season?
Where did you look up his ERA, in your hand copy of the Baseball Digest? The same place (Baseball-reference, or any number of places) has those splits. Look in the section called “splits’.
I didn’t actually look the stats up. I think I just remembered reading them on this site. Someone told me his road ERA was much higher which doesn’t seem to bode well for another team that signs him.
I assume you are messing with me now, but yes, his road splits were much worse than home last year.
I kind of assumed that but I wasn’t exactly messing with you. I don’t get why anyone thinks he is worth a $72 million contract if his ERA was 3.90 and he gave up 30 homers during a season that he had a serious home field advantage that won’t be available to him on another team next year. Those numbers aren’t stellar and it seems like he can only get worse with a change of scenery. I predict that he and Pablo Ozuna are going to be the two players most negatively affected by the QO this offseason. Ozuna should have flat out accepted his. I just can’t figure out why any team would want to pay that kind of money to a pitcher whom they should expect to have an ERA above 3.90 and give up more than 30 homers. I would love to see what his stats would be like if he pitched in Colorado next season.
Pache for Hedges and Patino who says no?
Braves
“Well, Marlins co-owner Mr. November, you’re supposedly interested in Castellanos and Ozuna. I think either would be a plausible fit for a team that has spending room and wants to draw in more fans.”
There cannot possibly be any fans out there who would say “Well, I wasn’t going to go to the Marlins game, but now they have Castellanos/Ozuna, so I will now”
I don’t really disagree with that sentiment, but that’s about as splashy as it’s going to get for the Marlins right now. Jeter has said the Marlins need more fans to show up, and they have some money to spend. It needs to go somewhere … so there you go. “Enjoy your 2-3 WAR outfielder, alienated fan base.”
Mr. Byrne, steroids is still cheating. NO to Bonds and the rest.
Then no to the old commissioner to right? Oh but wait, he’s already in, like Piazza and the rest that weren’t exposed. Bonds was a HOFer with or without it, so yes, he deserves to go. What’s funny to me is the excitement they brought to the game day in day out now they are retired and people trash them. I don’t like Bonds and his attitude, and I’m a fan of the Giants but I sure liked showing up to the park and watching him hit bbommmbs!
Clemens and Bonds should both be in the hall of fame. Steroids, and cheating the game in general in whatever way you can, isn’t a cut and dry issue but both Bonds and Clemens did enough to deserve their credit. They were both HOF caliber players/talents in the early to mid 80’s before they ever got to MLB. It’s the equivalent of saying Soto or Acuna aren’t deserving should they screw up in the future. You can’t teach that level of talent and those who have it should be celebrated and appreciated
Greenies are cheating too, and half the guys in the HOF did them.
If Selig is in the HOF, the guys HE ALLOWED to use PEDs should be too.
There’s that one guy…
Connor best agent NOT Boras.
Richard Moss reversed the Curt Flood Supreme Ct ruling by suckering the owners into Arbitration to settle all disputes. Next he won the Messerschmitt case and got a ruling that all players would be free agents. Thereafter, he came up with the current system which limited the number of FA s and drove up the players $$$ due to the laws of supply and demand. He was the FIRST megaagent with at least one player on every MLB team .
A few years ago Boras claimed he invented the current system which is a big lie.
But did he have holiday-themed dad jokes like “everyone wants a lump of Cole in their stocking” when talking up his agents? Didn’t think so.
But he did open the “Flood”gates of Free Agency.
I’m no fan of the ‘roids era’, but Jeter getting into the HOF before Bonds or Clemens is some kind of sick joke. Jeter was a solid player, but he wasn’t a superstar. The HOF should be a shrine for ‘otherworldly’ talented humans, not ‘grinders’ and ‘dirtbags’.
And as usual “ChiSoxCity” makes no sense at all. Cheaters before stats. lol.
Jeter had longevity and durability, and was a good player for a long time, but he was only occasionally great. He was a complier. Plus, he was a Yankee. That’s enough to get into the Hall of Fame, I guess.
You can’t appreciate the greatness of a player just because he happened to be a Yankee? That makes no sense.
Jeter was a superstar that we ALL would have wanted as our SS for 20 years. He’ll go in first=ballot, as he should.
I appreciate him, but you can’t deny he gets bonus points for being a Yankee.
Jeter is like Biggio but terrible at defense. He doesn’t even really deserve 1st ballot, but he has the counting stats to get in.
I can’t for the life of me figure out why people are so high on Boyd. Sure he can strike guys out but he just isn’t consistent and get knocked around way too much.
Agreed. I think part of it is the fact that there are not that many cost-controlled, lefty starters with upside on non-contending teams (i.e. trade targets). So, by virtue of being a bit rare, it seems that Boyd has skyrocketed to the top of the list of available guys. Remember when mediocre Danny Duffy was in a lot of trade rumors a while back? Seems a bit similar here…
A Match for Mookie
7:32 Hallmark Channel, 9PM Wednesday
Connor Byrne
7:32 Starring Lori Loughlin as Mookie Betts (or is she in prison?)
I’m still cleaning my lukewarm vodka/whisky/gin off the computer screen after reading this. Great stuff!
Laurie Laughlin is a woman tho.
and she won’t be making new Hallmark shows. Cellblock shows perhaps.