The Giants have hired Gabe Kapler as their new manager, Kerry Crowley of the Bay Area News Group was among those to report. Kapler will take over for longtime Giants skipper Bruce Bochy, who exited after a resoundingly successful 13-year run in which he helped the club to three World Series titles. He’ll receive a three-year contract, per Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports California.
President of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi issued a glowing assessment of Kapler, saying: “Our top priority in the next manager was to find someone who can build strong relationships with our players, coaches, front office and fans, and someone who has the drive and desire to win.”
Zaidi continued: “After an exhaustive and comprehensive search, we are delighted to welcome Gabe Kapler as the next manager of the San Francisco Giants. In my personal experience in working with Gabe, there is no one who works harder and is more committed to getting the best out of the people around him. This was also echoed in the feedback we received around the baseball community. I look forward to working with Gabe to help return the Giants to its winning tradition.”
The 44-year-old Kapler was among several candidates the Zaidi-led Giants spoke to in regards to their managerial position in recent weeks. Over the past several days, though, the search narrowed to Kapler, Astros bench coach Joe Espada and Rays bench coach Matt Quatraro. Espada looked like the favorite to assume the role just this past weekend, but he’ll instead lose out to Kapler, who already comes with managerial experience at the major league level.
Kapler’s on the heels of a two-year reign atop Philadelphia’s dugout, though the former outfielder’s initial run as a big league skipper didn’t go all that well. The Phillies finished 80-82 in Kapler’s first year and then went a similar 81-81 this season, despite numerous winter splashes designed to get the club back to the playoffs. In both seasons, the Phillies started well before fizzling over the summer.
While Kapler didn’t succeed in Philly, he’ll now enter into a San Francisco role where he already has a relationship with its chief baseball decision-maker. Kapler went into the interview process knowing Zaidi from the pair’s days with the Dodgers. Kapler was the Dodgers’ director of player development from 2015-17, during which Zaidi was their general manager. Over his time in Los Angeles, Kapler developed a reputation as someone open to analytics, which helped him land the job with the Phillies and likely factored into the Giants’ call to name him as Bochy’s successor.
While Kapler’s coming off a year at the helm of a team that had playoff aspirations, he’s now stepping into a job where patience is likely in order. The Giants are a few weeks removed from wrapping up their third straight sub-.500 season, so their roster is undoubtedly rife with flaws. Aging veterans such as catcher Buster Posey, first baseman Brandon Belt, shortstop Brandon Crawford, third baseman Evan Longoria (Kapler’s teammate in Tampa Bay), and right-handers Jeff Samardzija and Johnny Cueto continue to eat up a significant amount of the Giants’ payroll. Furthermore, the club’s lacking premium young talent at the major league level, and high-end starter Madison Bumgarner and outstanding closer Will Smith could depart in free agency.
Kapler’s now part of a brain trust that includes Zaidi and Scott Harris, whom the Giants just hired as their GM. The group could make announcements in regards to Kapler’s coaching staff as early as Wednesday, according to Zaidi (via Pavlovic). San Francisco has already lost a couple of Bochy’s former assistants, Hensley Meulens and Matt Herges, to other teams.
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frank_costanza
Let’s go Gabe!
genre99
There’s not enough cocoa nut oil in the world.
StandUpGuy
Congratulations Giants fans. Your team just got even worse. Congratulations Braves fans. This all but guarantees you get to keep Wash as your 3rd base coach. I can’t believe any team would rather have Mike Matheny or Gabe Kapler at the helm over Ron Washington.
GiantsX3
Stuff it dude
oldleftylong
No Jimmy Legs needed in Frisco.
Koamalu
Its so hard to understand why a team would not want a recidivist cocaine addict and adulterer as their field general.
StandUpGuy
Oh… It’s koalaman. I’m sorry I’m not supposed to be offensive by bringing up personal pronouns and assume you go by the term man. So… It’s Koalagenderneutralperson. You are the guy that told me I was so stupid and uneducated that I have never read a legal contract in my life. I guess you have just proved your point by using the word “recidivist” in a sentence. You must feel very proud. You also told me that it was against the rules of MLB for Braves GM to do anything “that may be construed as getting a sense that f what other teams are going to do in the free agent market.” Right? That’s you, right? You told me that legal contracts signed by MLB would allow the players reps to construe whatever they wanted and even if they “construed” as the GM getting a “sense” of another teams free agent plans that would clearly be enough for for the MLBPA to punish the team that said GM worked for. You even went further and said that the fact that the MLBPA was even investigating Alex Anthopolous of the Braves was proof that AA was guilty and would be punished… Right? Yeah I remember you. It’s really weak to hit Wash below the belt and call him a cocaine addict. Maybe I have only seen evidence to “construe” that he did it once or twice in his entire life. I think a lot of people fit that category. I haven’t heard much about him being an “adulterer” but I do know that at least half the married people in this country fit that category as well as people that have done cocaine once or twice. If you think a guy that had zero real success with a massive budget team is going to be better than a guy that took a consistent loser to consecutive world series appearances for those reasons, it is obvious you have no clue what you are talking about. You’re not even a Giants fan. You are just trolling me now because I pointed out that the MLBPA investigation into Alex Anthopolous was nonsense. You are actually the only person. I have even heard from that disagrees with me on that… Including everyone that runs this site. Please leave me alone KoalaGenderNeutralPerson.
heater
You think he’s the first guy in baseball to do any of that?????
Vinny C
He was the second best choice
The Oregonian
That’s very bad news if it isn’t Espada. Don’t they realize Kapler is a very bad decision from a PR perspective; no one wants Kapler.
frank_costanza
Teams should listen to their fans, but they shouldn’t make baseball decisions based upon their opinion. Plenty of coaches and players have been signed across all sports that fans were vehemently against that ended up paying off.
Vandals Took The Handles
While I don’t care for Mr. Kapler, there’s an old saying that legendary football GM and Head Coach Paul Brown used…….
“Those that listen to the fans when making decisions, will soon be sitting with them”.
refereemn77
Tommy Lasorda used it similarly, “Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you’re up in the stands with them.”
vtadave
Not sure Espada would be a good PR move after today’s news.
jb19
“Today’s News” lol… Espada wasn’t on the 2017 astros squad. Alex Cora (now Boston manager) was the bench coach. Stupid comment.
rightyspecialist
This poster writes : ‘No one wants Kapler’
Guess what chief…..Zaidi wants Kapler
The Oregonian
I mean, you’re not wrong there.
jdgoat
No one? As in you?
The Oregonian
Keep reading, you’ll get an idea of the majority’s consensus.
jdgoat
Too bad more baseball teams don’t run themselves based off of anonymous comments on the internet I guess then. Maybe that’s the new market inefficiency.
sportznut1000
ill jump to his defense jdgoat because i think your wrong. actually i know your wrong. gms and owners do take the pulse of their fans into consideration when making decisions. well farhan obviously doesnt but giants ownership has shown time and time again too. i just took a look at hank schulmans twitter page (he is one of the giants main beat writers in case you are not from northern california). his announcement of kaplers hiring has 111 comments right now. only 4 of the 111 are in favor of kapler. and 1 was in spanish that i couldnt understand. less than 4% of giants fans right now are in favor of the hiring
sportznut1000
i think part of the reason why it gets leaked who the managerial finalists are, is so that ownership and management can see what the fan reaction is. and ill source that take because both larry krueger and mark willard who host 2 different radio shows on knbr said that same exact thing
CobiEven
That is just the vocal ones. Don’t base his support off of Hank’s Twitter feed. You are silly. Giantess fans are the biggest drama queens.
ABStract
Wha? Not Yankees fans!? Or Red Sox fans? Or Cubs fans?
Gimme a break!
seventythreesfgfan
Long time fan with many years of experience in watching the losing side of the Giants as well as the great years we all waited so long for. In my opinion we are close to be in a position to win anything for at lest 2-3 years. I want to see out farm system overstocked with excellent talent. So much of it in fact that we can have the luxury of making deadline trades for key pieces to put us over the top when required. I believe we are heading in that direction. We must be patient, and see how our acquisitions pan out over the next two seasons before we lay waste to the people in charge. The entire culture is shifting for the giants. The days of long term contracts is pretty much dead, so don’t expect dramatic splashes of big name signings cause it’s not gonna happen. Especially with our roster in the condition it’s in. We are rebuilding from the ground up, no gorilla tape or wall patch is going to be used to get us through this. Sit back and relax and see if we become relevant once again.
PKVA
I’m a lifelong Giants fan since the late 70s and I dont want Kapler…what has he proven????
asdfgh
Espada is now bad PR considering the Astros have been found to be cheating in 2017. Thats some bad PR!
8791Slegna
Espada was coaching the Yankees in 2017. He took over as bench coach for Alex Cora in 2018.
Pete'sView
I don’t get the vitriol against Kapler. A lot of very smart baseball people and players have said very positive things about him. So maybe we should give the guy a chance instead of vilifying him.
Black Ace57
As a Phillies fan I will sum it up for you. He is a guy liked by the players and is into sabrmetrics. His problems are he is TERRIBLE at managing pitchers and is so hands off on players that no order exists in the clubhouse. He is too lenient.
There is also a lot of question on if he knows how to use data correctly. The team had a lot of problems stemming from bad data and analytics. The big problem for him was he started writing his own reports to pitchers on what their game plans should be but he didn’t tell any of the other staff that he did this. Therefore, the pitchers got reports that completely differed from each other and it left them confused and frustrated. A manager needs to handle communication better than that.
In the end he is a good guy and I hope he finds success for his sake and the sake of Giants fans, but there are big reasons to be worried.
Pete'sView
Thanks for your reply. I guess we’ll see for ourselves in 2020.
grabsomepinemeat
Makes me wonder if the Cheating accusations tainted Espada at the last minute.
H3ads40T73
Is it possible that Espada was the guy until the allegations?
thequail
Espada was hired after the 2017 season
partyatnapolis
doesn’t mean they haven’t done it since 2017
disadvantage
Even if Espada WAS part of the cheating in 2017 (he was not), he didn’t cover up a sexual assault of an underaged woman like Kapler did (that Zaidi, also with the Dodgers at the time, knew about).
I am a Giants fan, but it bothers me that nobody seems to care that these two batted an eye to assault.
thequail
NO ON KAPLER!!!!
Robertowannabe
Yelling won’t help at all……
Nevrfolow
Cant be espada after todays news
thequail
Espada was hired after the 2017 season
tkool
We all gotta pray that’s is Quatraro and not Kapler
Pete'sView
Why???? I doubt you have all the information needed to choose the next manager.
sportznut1000
i thought i saw a lot of comments defending kapler but after i scrolled back up i realized its all from the same person. petesview. i think i found scott harris’s account. kapler is a bad hire but he is zaidis guy and he can control him and the lineup by hiring him. honestly he is like the exact opposite of bochy. kapler almost had a mutiny on his hands 2 weeks into the season last year because he was managing by what the analytics said. he called a guy in from the pen who hadnt warmed up yet. veteran pat neshek had to speak up and had a private meeting with him. he wont out manage anyone and he wont get his players to perform up to their potential as evident in philly where almost literally every player had a down year last year. but as long as he starts who zaidi wants him to start, he should help them get through 2-3 years of this rebuild. if you dont blame phillys failures on kapler though then i doubt you will blame the giants next 2 or 3 miserable years on him either
joshmorris
GABEEEEE
greatd
The hate for Kapler lol.
Kinda shows how front offices really don’t care what fans think.
amk3510
The Dodgers didn’t hire him because Kershaw and AGon spoke out against him. Are they fans too?
wordonthestreet
No but veteran leaders if the team have much more sway than just fans.
angt222
Probably going to be Kapler. People have been saying it since he got canned. He has previous ties to Zaidi from their days in the Dodgers organization.
driftcat28 2
Sheesh Kapler is awful. How could it not be Espada
kobo77
Look up Astros allegations an that will help explain
highplainsdriftr
In all fairness, you actually have no idea either way
Black Ace57
You mean the allegations that happened BEFORE he got there?
kobo77
You mean same allegations that were in these last playoffs too?
murphydog
Bye-bye Giants.
wg22659
Good luck with Gabe
Francys01
What can I say. The Giants lost the best candidate Joe Espada. Bad decision Zaidi, I would had prefer to see Mickey Callaway as the manager. I know that Callaway will be pitching coach of the Angels, but still I had to say it.
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My suspicion is that Callaway didn’t want to manage this season. Even with some of the blunders that happened during his Mets tenure, I find it hard to believe that there was no interest for him, especially considering some of the names that were out there.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Or maybe bad roster construction under a bankrupt owner ruined Mickey and the Mutts.
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You seem to be taking it kind of personally that I think the Phillies are a mess, lol. I think we’ve found John Middleton’s MLBTR account.
Bart Harley Jarvis
gam,
You had me at lol.
Buck
rightyspecialist
Espada was not the best candidate. Lol. Who told you that? His Resume is weak compared to Kapler. Espada never even played in MLB. He was a low ranking FO executive. Good lord, His only managerial experience is winter ball
Gabe Kapler had a solid big league career as a player. A Grinder. He won a World Series w/ Boston in ‘04. He managed in the minor leagues for Red Sox organization. He was Director of player development in LA, managed 2 years in Philadelphia
Giants fans wanting Espada sound like a bunch of nincompoops.
ghostrobot
It’s a virtue signal thing
Vandals Took The Handles
Kapler lost a lot of weight a bit after the ’04 WS when MLB started testing for steroids.
Other then that he kicked around the majors.
Koamalu
MLB started drug testing for the 2004 season after the survey testing in 2003. Kapler was not named in the Mitchell Report.
If you are trying to make some kind of assertion that he used steroids to bulk up, then he should have had a better SLG % than the .390 he had that season.
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Very few players had more muscle mass than Kapler, even as a rookie in ’98.
Vandals Took The Handles
Koamalu;
I don’t care who was or wasn’t mentioned in the Mitchell Report. If it was through, at least 60% of MLB players would have been on it – particularly marginal players like Kapler that suddenly became power hitters or power pitchers.
I saw Kapler and the Sox play then. In fact he lost a lot of weight when he reported to ST after drug testing was announced. His upper body was noticeably smaller. It was striking. Why would a weightlifter in the prime of life suddenly lose muscle? What, he stopped drinking protein shakes or something? Went on a Vegan diet? His power that came out of nowhere vanished as quickly as it appeared. And he was not the only Red Sox player in that category. Another platoon player on that team – an OF named Miller – had the exact same things happen to him at the exact same time. He too suddenly stopped hitting. There were others, but I remember the Red Sox because there were so many that showed up so thin. And I remember seeing a picture that was circulated showing before and after of Kapler. It was LOL funny.
By the way – have you seen any photos of Barry Bonds the past 5-10 years? Gee, usually players that retired years earlier put on weight. Barry looks like he OD’ed on a fad diet.
Koamalu
You want to make allegations that are not backed up by the facts. Says what kind of person you are and literally nothing about Kapler.
His power was greatest in 2008, long after they started testing for steroids. So stuff it up your behind.
rightyspecialist
That’s an outstanding hire by Farhan Zaidi
highandtight
Zaidi wanted a puppet. He found one. Make no mistake, Zaidi is making the calls on the lineups and on the field from here on out.
sorayablue
You have hit the nail on the head!!!!
ABStract
Hate to say it but I think you’re right
braves95 2
Panda about to pull a David Pollack and lose 100 lbs. #NoCarbsKapler
Sportsjeffs
Good Luck SF.. Kapler ruined the Phillies..
johnrealtime
You really over estimate the impact of a manager
SheaGoodbye
Still, the difference between a bad manager and a good manager is probably equal to the difference between a bad player and a good player: a couple of WAR. That’s not negligible.
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Bad roster construction under an over-compensating owner ruined the Phillies.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Bless your Mutts loving heart…
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If your point is that the same is true of the Mets, you’re 100% right. I never implied otherwise.
amk3510
There was nothing to ruin.
Pete'sView
I think there are several reasons—not named Gabe Kapler—that the Phillies weren’t very good.
kobo77
Phillies been ruined a long time
frank_costanza
I can’t wait for this guy to prove everyone wrong. Giants fans, you got a good manager.
Mendoza Line 215
I think that the Giant fans should look at him with an open mind.The reason that the Phillies were mediocre this year was because they had no pitching.
I think that he will seem better on the west coast than Philadelphia.
He needs to learn from his mistakes and progress from there.
He may though be just a puppet as someone mentioned.
Time will tell.
Vandals Took The Handles
Please name a few players that developed and played better in Philly when Kapler was the manager.
Mendoza Line 215
I am not saying that he doesn’t need to change his ways.
There were several holes in his style,not the least of which is over use of statistics.
He needs to have more discipline on the team also.
But several players backed him including Harper and Realmuto who both had pretty good years.
After McCutcheon got hurt they cratered.
My point is that they could not have made the playoffs with the pitching staff,especially with all of the injuries,If he grows from his experience then he may turn out to be a decent manager.
Experience is an important tool.
frank_costanza
Well, if we’re going to say that managers really have THAT much influence on how players play, then we can’t not give him credit for Scott Kingery and Adam Haseley, and also for getting a group of pitchers in the bullpen that don’t belong on a 40-man roster to pitch well in meaningful innings down the stretch. This idea that players regressed simply isn’t true. Harper and Realmuto had the years they were expected to, and posted career bests in a few categories. People want to point out Segura because he didn’t bat .300, but he hit .280, not .230 and his OPS was only 12 points lower than in 2018. And as for Hoskins, we still don’t know what he is. I’d say what he showed wasn’t all that different from what we’ve seen in his career. He wasn’t a top prospect for a reason. He’s VERY streaky, he’s going to strike out, walk and hit homers. He finished the year with the same amount of xbh as 2018, led the league in walks and hit 29 homers versus 34 in 2018.
Vandals Took The Handles
@Mendoza Line 215;
Kapler was hired to manage a rebuilding team in Philly. It’s nice that some pricey veterans liked him (most others didn’t), but the fact is that he did not bring along the younger players on that team very well. Sure it was only a few years, but as one poster that watched a lot of games (as opposed to analyzing numbers on spreadsheets), those players didn’t have their heads in the game most of the time. Not only was there no price to pay, the manager was forever defending them in pressers after the game.
Sorry, that is not the way to bring along young players. So unless the Giants elect to become the reincarnation of George Steinbrenner’s 1979-91 Yankees (which was the highest spending team in MLB each year), it appears the Giants will be bringing in a lot of youngsters over the near future.
Koamalu
Realmuto. Kingery. Eflin. Nola. Name a few that regressed significantly in Philadelphia while Kapler was the manager. Not because of injuries. Guys that regressed. .
sportznut1000
odrbuel herrera, vincent velasquez, bryce harper, corey dickerson, nick pivetta and i feel like im forgetting another young outfielder who was supposed to blossom. nick williams maybe was it?
sportznut1000
honestly, im going through baseball reference right now looking at their roster and stats and you could make a case that almost every pitcher on their roster regressed. and most of their outfield had down years as well.
Vandals Took The Handles
Koamalu;
I’ll give you Nola. Lots of talent there.
Realmuto came over as a veteran and the best C in MLB. Kingery and Eflin has some good months (for a while in 2019 Kingery was hitting well over .300), but those two pretty much wound up where they started.
Who regressed you ask?
I guess it went right by you. Here’s what I wrote above:
“Kapler was hired to manage a rebuilding team in Philly……. It’s nice that some pricey veterans liked him (most others didn’t), but the fact is that he did not bring along the younger players on that team very well.”
Who regressed is not the issue. The owner (unrealistically) believed the front office-media narrative-hype and thought his team would be a contender in 2019. At the least he expected see progress. The fact that players didn’t improve and most played sloppy baseball is the issue. Which is why the owner stepped in and had the manager fired.
(The owner spent millions of dollars to win one more game in 2019 then he had in 2018.)
I’ll suggest that the Phillies will be playing much better in 2020 under Girardi, and that as the year progresses a lot of new faces will be pulled off the field and the roster, with players that produce taking their places.
VonPurpleHayes
Harper had a very good yead. Dickerson was great when healthy. Herrera didn’t really play all that much. So 3 of the names mentioned did not regress at all.
Koamalu
So you got nothing. No names. No one who played worse.
And at least 4 guys that played better under Kapler.
We know where your head is at.
Vandals Took The Handles
Koamalu;
LOL
Take an ‘Introduction To Basic Reading Comprehension’ at the Adult Education night school near you.
After that take a basic basic Business class. Learn that when a business owner hires someone to do a job and they don’t – the owner is allowed too – and should – get rid of them…….unless they work for the government……then they can sit around and screw up with raises till retirement.
ericl
Kapler doesn’t know how to use his pitchers. He doesn’t put them in a position to succeed. His entire staff hated him because of his analytics only approach and his defensive positioning. His defensive positioning often didn’t work and it cost the Phillies runs. When Middleton talked to the players about Kapler, it was the pitchers that were the biggest dissenting voice. That tells you something
Koamalu
Kapler gets to be the skipper during the rebuild. Not an enviable job.
amk3510
If you asked the Dodgers to pick a manager for the Giants as sabotage, Kapler would be it. Espada was the perfect canidate and he was right there on a silver platter.
hopper15
What made Espada the perfect candidate?
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Is it really fair to permanently judge Kapler based on two seasons managing poorly constructed teams with terrible bullpens? Maybe the low pressure/low expectations of the Giants job will be good for his career.
Bart Harley Jarvis
See above.
Mike Rubin
I pity the fantasy baseball owner who rosters Will Smith or, if he leaves, whoever is the nominal closer in San Francisco. Kapler’s bullpen use isn’t good for rotisserie baseball owners, not that it is so great for his MLB team’s fans.
DadsInDaniaBeach
Gabe made some of the worst on field moves imaginable. It won’t get better in San Fran…….
giants number 1 fan
Kill me now
The Oregonian
Make it a double murder, I want to die as well
pustule bosey
I am in wait and see mode – I think that one thing that could be good though is that fans won’t be attached if they cut him loose following a rebuild
redrunner911
Boooo!
Phiilies2020
I think Gabe may have learned from the mistakes he made in Philly and turn out to have some success in SF. But hes gotta stop with the crazy lineups and allow his bullpen to fall into roles. He wont have as much pressure on him over there since the Giants aren’t realistically expected to contend.
Show Me Your Tatis
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Baseball 1600
The Padres hired Jayce Tingler. You have no reason to laugh.
throwinched10
This is the manager succession equivalent to when Gregorius took over for Jeter.
Vandals Took The Handles
More like when Phil Bengtson took over from Vince Lombardi.
throwinched10
I was thinking the baseball equivalent.
Sadler
Well, to all the Zaidi lovers, this is the bad that comes with the good.
5TUNT1N
I agree , I dealt with his other moves as there seemed positive movement in this areas. This could be his biggest blunder, having hard time seeing true logic in this decision.
JayRyder
Wow. I’m not opposed. I always thought Gabe needed some time to learn the nuances of managing at the big league level.
This way he’s gonna do so for a few years. Then they can re-evaluate from there. If He’s the one to push us thru all the way. . .
Bart Harley Jarvis
He’ll be the most physically fit Giant.
letimmysmoke55
if he couldn’t win with that Phillies team what is it going to be like in SF???
frank_costanza
“That phillies team”? You mean the one that had run differential of negative 20 due to an island of misfit toys pitching staff? Don’t let Bryce Harper and JT Realmuto fool you. That Phillies roster was so painfully average offensively.
DarkSide830
a competent manager could have managed the talent that was there. the rotation was below average, but the offense should have been able to mask that. a conpetent manager would have made the wild card.
frank_costanza
An incompetent manager just won the World Series because talent reigns supreme. Always has. There’s no logical argument to be made that the 2019 Phillies had enough talent to be a post season team.
Pete'sView
Not in the NL East.
sportznut1000
i mean christ, i think every player on the phillies roster had a down year. obviously that isnt on the manager but maybe its safe to say he doesnt get the most out of his players? werent expectations a little high for a pitching staff that start with nola, eflin, arrieta, velasquez and pivetta? or a lineup that had cesar hernandez, kingery, harper, realmuto, hoskins, franco, mccutchen, odrubel herrera etc? this is an awful hiring but giants werent going to compete anyway so i cant get upset but im not going to let people defend kapler like he is a good manager. nothing has shown he is
sportznut1000
frank your losing a lot of credibility man. i dont like the kapler hire so i was ready to disagree with you as it is but come on. dont let the harper and realmuto signings fool you? oh you mean maybe the best hitting catcher in all of baseball and the highest paid player in the national league????? those ones? hahaha get out of here you troll. oh and i guess we should just ignore jean segura and rhys hoskins while we are at it. because the giants with brandon belt, brandon crawford, buster posey and mike yastremzski have a much more potent offense than the phils
citizen
Welcome back kotter or kapler.
Show Me Your Tatis
Between this and refusing to trade Bumgarner and Smith at the deadline last summer, I think Farhan just might be a little overrated as an executive.
ericl
I pity the GIants pitchers. Kapler has no clue to handle a pitching staff. He completely lost his staff in Philly. The Phillies pitchers absolutely hated his analytics only approach & completely despised his defensive alignments (which often didn’t work)_. Kapler needs to get his head out of his I=Pad and develop an approach that isn’t all analytics. You can’t rely solely on numbers. Sometimes you have to trust your gut and go with what you see. Kapler was awful at that in Philly. If he keeps that approach in San Francisco, he will fail again
The Oregonian
Unfortunately, he was hired because that’s the exact approach Zaidi wants from the manager.
Giant1962
Live in Philly area, been an avid Giant fan since 1962. Have Extra Innings, watch 85% of Giant games and about 50% of Phillies games. Phillies with very good talent have collapsed completely two straight years. Guys not running out ground balls, no hustle, pitchers being pulled too late/too soon. No one sits or is reprimanded, called out or benched. Guy was too slick the whole time, bewildered during post game press conferences. Would be a good PR or assistant coach for a few years to learn managing. Can’t believe Posey, some other vets, putting up with this guy. Poorly managed an almost all star team, not clear how he will do with our club. We’ll see…
VonPurpleHayes
Phillies had very little talent in 2018. 2019 the talent played well. The bad players played very bad. Injuries really showed the lack of depth the Phillies had. I don’t think anyone knows what Kapler is because he hasn’t really dealt with a complete roster yet.
The fact that the Phillies finished .500 in 2019 with those
VonPurpleHayes
Phillies had very little talent in 2018. 2019 the talent played well. The bad players played very bad. Injuries really showed the lack of depth the Phillies had. I don’t think anyone knows what Kapler is because he hasn’t really dealt with a complete roster yet.
The fact that the Phillies finished .500 in 2019 with those injuries and that pitching is a miracle.
sf fan
Is this rebuilding?
azcrook
Loser……there goes my season tickets
dandan
Can’t believe the they passed on Espada for Kapler… fuggin’ ludicrous
azcrook
I doubt if any of the free agents who were waiting to see who the next manager was going to be will stick around…….worst possible decision….A lot more empty seats during the spring and regular season…….he does not and will not get much fan support…..he is a phony…..not a real track record like Bochy, Alou, Baker. When the loses start or he makes a bad decision, the Bay Area media and the fans will crucify him…..he will be lucky to last a year
snotrocket
The loses will start immediately because the roster sucks. Kapler isn’t going to move the needle one way or another until there is talent to manage or mismanage.
Pete'sView
You have absolutely no idea how good or bad Kapler will be—none of us do. So sit down, have a beer and wait for Spring Training.
sportznut1000
with all due respect pete, you could use that same logic if the giants hired anyone from this thread to be the next manager. id argue we do have some sort of an idea because we just watched him manage his way to a sub 500 record over 2 years with a highly talented phillies roster. there were articles about him possibly on the hot seat 2 weeks into the season last year and the players had to hold a meeting with him because of the way he managed. he made a pitching change for someone who hadnt even warmed up yet in the bullpen, thats a really big change for giants fans going from a highly experienced manager in bochy to kapler who is the GMs lineup card puppet
snotrocket
Gotta admit I wasn’t too excited about the Bochy hire when it happened, but that worked out. Definitely willing to reserve judgment for a few years on this one.
missjill2u
We need a fan opt out clause in his contract that can be triggered from Opening Day on!
antibelt
In the era of the #metoo movement, do we really want a guy who covered up multiple sexual assaults while in the Dodger organization? He shouldn’t be in baseball after thise instances.
1738hotlinebling
Lol try again
DarkSide830
it sucks for him if it is Espada. not everyone – in fact, probably most people – that work for that organization arent on board, or even understood what was going on with the alleged acts.
Frisco500
I wanted Joe. Say it ain’t so Joe! Oh well. I’m pretty sure Zaidi knows a lot more than anyone up in this piece. So I guess its Let Go Kapler!
crazylarry
Great news for the rest of the NL West.
neurogame
Balls tanned? check.
Gmen777
Not pleased at all. Please prove me wrong Gabe.
norcalblue
I have alot of respect for Zaidi and this will probably work out just fine. But, hiring Kapler really surprises me.
disgruntledreader 2
700 words and no mention at all of his role as a co-conspirator with Zaidi in covering up sexual assault?
snotrocket
Alleged. No files were charged, and a 17 year old transient with a history of legal trouble shouldn’t just be taken at her word. Obviously she got drunk with the players, but the story after that seems fishy.
disgruntledreader 2
That is one of several incidents.
HarveyD82
why so much hate for this guy, Philly fans???
antibelt
He covered up multiple sexual assaults by Dodger players. That’s a scum move by a shady individual.
kobo77
From another article – According to those familiar with Zaidi’s thinking, criticism that Kapler mishandled the incidents is unfair because Kapler reported the allegations up the Dodgers chain of command and alerted team counsel, as he was supposed to do…you sure you know exactly how things went down? Have you read kaplers statement on any of this or just headlines?
modifish
Actually, Gabe and his assistant Barry Lakin thought they were lifting weights….sounds alot like sex.
Try guessing next time you here something you think might be sex….Is it weight lifting….or sex?
oscarwdog
another failed retread white guy
tiredolddude
So your prerequisite for the job is a minority, regardless of experience or background. Check
modifish
I resent that comment. I work very hard on my brown-ness. That being said….if you have any tips on the taint area I’d listen….I find it a difficult region to properly tint…I apply plenty of coconut oil to it but it just feels like I’m doing something wrong.
Thank you for your assistance in this matter,
Gabe
JayRyder
When the Phillies fired him, I thought it was a great opportunity for the Giants.
As the names began to roll out. And speculation after speculation. I saw benefits with each name. As I began to think each new name had the best chance.
But I also felt the candidate field was quite weak. At least for the Giants. I didn’t see anyone worthy of a top tier postion managing this team.
Was Espada good enough to Work with this front office. Ah, maybe. The other smaller names. Yeah I think they were alittle far out there, maybe would have caught a diamond in the rough. But not much.
The in house candidates were meh at best. Especially for this new front office they have hired.
– Farhan said from that beginning that previous experience weighed heavily in his decision. And Kapler speaks to that.
I always thought Kapler wasn’t Bad. But needed some seasoning in the minors, If he would accept an assignment from the Giants.
I am not opposed to this route. As Now Kapler is going to have to learn on the Job. And it speaks to everything Farhan has said. And Harris has seconded. They want to accelerate the momentum of Winning. Period.
Kapler will be in the hot seat from day one. As Will Farhan and Harris. I like it sure better than sitting and waiting for a few seasons. For the contracts to expire.
I expect the Team to compete. I expect building a modern contender. And I expect all the financial, fan base, and organizational consideration to emote a winning fever.
Now Go Get Em. !
hopper15
Kapler is not going to be on the hot seat from day one. That’s ridiculous.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
Um, Kapler has had 2 years to learn on the job – might I add on a team that probably could have competed with the right leadership. While everything was not his fault, he did not help matters with generic managing and hyper-talk.. .
22Leo
I posted that Zaidi would hire Kapler as soon as he became available. Friedman and Zaidi wanted Kapler to manage the Dodgers. Fortunately, Kasten stepped in and overrode that decision and selected Roberts because he knew Roberts was the better choice. Friedman and Zaidi could not see that. They just blindly go with analytics. Friedman is just a lot better at it than Zaidi. Eventually, Giants fans will realize Zaidi was not a great hire and will be calling for him to be fired.
Frisco500
This might be the dumbest comment in here. And that’s saying a lot.
22Leo
Typical delusional Giants fan.
its_happening
Ex-Oakland execs usually falter, so the comment by 22Leo isn’t all that stupid.
Vandals Took The Handles
Actually, Leo’s comment may well be spot on.
It’s only been a year, but Mr. Zaidi is beginning to look a lot like another AJ Peller to me. A sharp, detailed, one-dimensional FO underling that can succeed if given a task with the parameters put in place for him, but without the global chops to see the big picture. From afar he has the look of a control freak.
In 2019 he was rebuilding, but he wasn’t. He was competing, but he wasn’t. Come the trade deadline he froze, doing nothing to help the team in 2019 or improve the team in 2020. Publicly said he questioned himself afterwords. Is this the sign of a leader? And while many FO people elect to hold their cards close in advance of the off-season, a year into his tenure there isn’t a Giants fan or an intensive MLB fan that is sure what it is the man wants to do with the team over the next few years.
norcalblue
This is a reasonable, and perhaps very astute, analysis. As much as I respect Farhan’s ability to analyze the minute details surrounding a particular problem–he may well lack the ability see, as you suggest, the bigger problems.
♪
Of course Kapler’s intelligent, but he’s also well spoken, which can go a long way in any kind of job interview.. Still, I’m a little surprised he landed another managerial job so quickly, even with a transitioning team.
Amanda2019
im also fascinated when a guy is a ‘sure thing’ to be a manager then boom, they get someone else, i remember in 2012 the red sox needing john Farrell and in comes bobby valentine, literally his name was mentioned THE DAY he was hired the first time, after a disaster he was gone after 1 year, im also curious what they say that drives that final decision, like did espada not get the job over something like hes not super personable, or into analytics? I have no idea and i have nothing against gabe kapler, i actually remember him with my red sox, just find it interesting.
GarryHarris
The RedSox almost hired Gene Lamont before the Bobby Valentine interview.
It wasn’t Valentine’s fault that the whole team either were injured or slumped. The same team had quit on Terry Franco the year before.
kobo77
From another article – According to those familiar with Zaidi’s thinking, criticism that Kapler mishandled the incidents is unfair because Kapler reported the allegations up the Dodgers chain of command and alerted team counsel, as he was supposed to do…you sure you know exactly how things went down? Have you read kaplers statement on any of this or just headlines?
James1955
The Giants have to build up the Farm System and let the bad contracts expire. I don’t have high expectations for the Giants for a few years.
Cat Mando
Giants fans, be prepared for nauseatingly, over the top, sugar coated post game interviews. If you lose 12-0 don’t expect reality in the post game, expect things like “During the last 3 games Crawford has seen an average of 6.3 pitches per at bat and that is a move in the right direction.” It won’t matter if he went 1-10 in those 3 games…….he saw a lot of pitches. That is the Adonis style.
DadsInDaniaBeach
Cat, you always make me smile..
Cat Mando
I calls ’em how I sees ’em Dads…..LOL.
I’m just glad he is gone along with Mallee and Young. I just hope that maybe Hoskins can get his head back on straight. I don’t believe it’s coincidence that Santana went from .229/.352/.414 under Kapler/Mallee to .281/.397/.515 back at Cleveland.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
I am so sorry Giants fans. I hope he is better the second time around, like many managers. I sincerely mean that.
Not everything in Philly was his fault, but he certainly did not help them win.
Frisco500
An intelligent comment.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Watched Kapler for two years in Philly. made some strange moves based on analytics, to which he is a slave. Phils were the baseball equivalent of plain vanilla: two years of being about a .500 team despite the fans being teased both years by early season success.
Truth be told, Kapler didn’t have the horses to compete in the NL East vs. the Braves and Nats. Plus, injuries to McCutchen, a suspended Odubel Herrera and a bullpen devastated by injuries did not help.
Unfortunately, it looks like the barn in San Francisco lacks even more quality horses than the one he had in Philly. Gonna be even tougher for Kapler if both Bumgarner and Will Smith sign elsewhere.
its_happening
Have to pose this question again….
What is the Giants offseason gameplan? Rebuild is not an adequate answer.
Sid Bream
In most cases in this world these days it is not what you know, it is who you know. Even though Kapler may have quite a bit of knowledge it is how you put that baseball knowledge into action.
HartnellDown
The giants ceiling is now .500
tiredolddude
I’m hoping this clears the way for Espada to come to the Pirates. From all I’ve read, he’d be a good fit for a franchise that is desperate for something, anything positive. Baseball Siberia
jim stem
Understanding and passing a science doesn’t make you a chemist. Kapler must use words and data that the people interviewing him don’t understand, therefore he MUST know what he’s talking about.
He is taking the helm of a team that is infinitely less talented at every single position than the one he was fired from. He couldn’t steer his team to a winning record with all stars at 5 positions, a cy young candidate and three mvp caliber regulars, what’s he going to do with the Giants?
I’ll warn Giants’ fans now, he is going to drive you mad with his bullpen mismanagement and 6 relief pitchers used every game. Come August, the ‘pen is either broken down or burned out. The guy never figured out how to get consistent production out 6 or 7 average, healthy starting pitchers and yet would still pull Nola after 90 pitches. I’ve never seen a manager waste arms like he does, with relievers tossing fewer than 10 pitches three times a game, every game. He needs to put “the binder” away and pay attention to the game going on in front of him. He’ll bring in a pitcher that puts out a fire with 7 pitches and he’s done fur the day. Next inning someone else starts it, goes 10 pitches and he pulls him because two guys got on. Now he needs another arm to get out of the inning and guess what? Another pitcher starts the 7th inning! That’s 4 pitchers used out of the pen and you aren’t even through the 8th yet. This is every day. 80-82 is what he earned with a cast of all stars.
Kevin28786
What a stupid hire by the Giants. This is kind of like how Lane Kiffin keeps getting jobs in football. All you can do is scratch your head and wonder why ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DadsInDaniaBeach
While I agree that a manager is not the all to be all, they do control what happens on the field..their decision making shapes how a team feels about themselves…when I wrote about Gabe making horrible on field moves, let me tell you of just two..they stick out in my head for “dumbness”!
Phillies down 1 run late in the game..runners on 1st and third with no outs..The runner on 1st is Maikel Franco. Charlie Manuel could beat Franco in a foot race..Gabe does NOT pinch run for Franco..Result is Popup and then. a double play..inning over..game over..
The other one was a classic..2 outs with runners on 2nd and 3rd..(FIRST BASE IS OPEN) and up steps Freddie Freeman..What does The Gabe do? He decides to pitch to him.. 2 runs score on Freemans hit…
Good luck in San Fran..
Frisco500
Yeah you walk Freeman in that situation. No doubt. If Franco was runner on 3rd, down a run late, less than 2 outs, it would have been inexcusable. While I’d prefer to have a faster runner on first, it’s not as much of a blunder to leave your starter in right there. Either way, I’m not a Kapler fan. I just have to hope he learned from his many mistakes.
wordonthestreet
I agree the Freeman move sounds bad. The Franco one not so much.
Koamalu
Nice story about Franco. Except it never happened. These games are the closest to your story last year. Scroll down to see the play by play.
baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN201907060.shtm…
baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI201908020.shtm…
Even if it happened its not a mistake.
Jean Matrac
All managers make mistakes. But what’s missing from your Freeman story is the head-to-head stat. It could be that the pitcher had good numbers against Freeman, and had success getting him out previously.
For example, Giant’s fans were outraged when Bochy removed Romo in a game with Yadier coming to bat, after Romo had gotten 2 easy outs. I forget who came in, but that guy gave up the winning runs on a Molina hit, and the fans were pointing fingers at Bochy. But the thing was Molina was 8 for 15 with 3 2Bs against Romo. Sometimes a manager makes the right move, and it still doesn’t work out.
modifish
Oh the humanity….the Kraplerburg has exploded in San Francisco….There’s smoke, and there’s flames, now, and hot cocoa butter oil is flying everywhere…I told you… I can’t even talk to people… around here. It’s… I can’t talk, ladies and gentlemen. Honest, it’s just laying there, a mass of smoking wreckage, and everybody can hardly breathe and talk… I-I’m sorry. Honest.
HoboFett
I’m a Phillies fan, and I was initially sad to see Kapler go (but they ended up getting Girardi which is just awesome, so I can deal with it).
I don’t feel like he got a long enough tenure to do anything. Also, the Phillies record the last two years is exactly what I thought it should have been given the talent they had, and the injuries they dealt with.
I wish him well, and if he is given a fair chance, I think he will become a truly great manager.
modifish
Krapler: Hey Tingly, thanks for coming over. Any trouble finding the place?
Tingly: Name is Tingler. No trouble, followed that scent to your place…
Krapler: ahh the sweet smell of cocoa butter Tingle. Love the stuff.
Tingly: It’s Tingler. Strippers like it too…
Krapler: Oh Yeah Tangle..Chippendales, Thunder from down under and
Tingly: not what I meant and it’s Tingler. Jayce Tingler..
Krapler: Oh that kind of stripper. They use oil too? Sorry about your name. I’ll make sure to build on that in the future.
Tingly: It’s ok Dallas
Krapler: I’m not Dallas ^!%$# Green
Tingly: Kidding Gabe. You do look different tho. You still know John Travolta?
Krapler: No not Gabe Kaplan. It’s Kapler. Rymes with Krapler
Tingly: Ohhhh…that guy…well…what’s up?
Krapler: I thought I could give you some bullet points for progress to success.
Tingly: Well I….
Krapler: One..Sound Systems. Two..Video Games. Three… . Four..Success
Tingly: Where?..Who?…and you skipped number three.
Krapler: In the clubhouse. Players love them. Keeps them from dwelling on negatives. Just don’t allow Carlos Santana around during a game. He’s old school…and he breaks stuff…he coulda just walked, but noooo, that’s when he decides to swing.
Tingly: Right..no Santana. So what about three?
Krapler: Three What?
Tingly: Your third bullet point for progress for success?
Krapler: Not Sure.
Tingly: But how did you succe…..oh..ok. I see.
Krapler: Yeah…
Tingly: Maybe Bobby Dickerson can help?
Krapler: Uh…yeah..sure Bobby D. He was a big help with that one…
Tingly: I’ll ask. Maybe I’ll let you know if he figures it out.
Krapler: Hey gee look at the time..Gotta hit chest and legs now. Great talk Jayce.
Tingly: Yeah…great talk Gabe
hopper15
You have too much time on your hands.
modifish
Cold medicine….and since He-man is off our hands in Philly, I feel giddy oh so giddy….giddy and witty and bright…and I pity any San Fran Giants fans tonight…..
cmanson
I’m sure Gabe is just ecstatic at having to take up some sort of temporary residence in that dumpster known as the Bay area, sigh
Jean Matrac
Obviously you’ve never been there, but go ahead and judge without any direct knowledge.
Jean Matrac
People criticizing Kapler for his bullpen use are missing the fact of how the actual procedures work.. First, good pitchers are required for a good pen. Second, the manager is relying on input from the pitching coach, and does not make decisions unilaterally.
And the fact that he was fired by the Phillies says nothing at all. The Phils are essentially still rebuilding. Two years is not enough time for a manager to turn a rebuilding team into a winner. Experience for a manager is valuable, and plenty of them, fired after their first job, are successful in subsequent jobs.
The players a manager has is a huge factor. Joe Torre was fired 3 times, but when he got the Yankee job, with a loaded roster, he won 6 pennants and 4 WS titles.
And lastly, the Phillies FO, the baseball knowledgeable guys involved, did not want Kapler fired. It was the non-baseball guy, the owner, that decided Kapler had to go. I don’t know whether Kapler will be a good manager or not, and I’m guessing neither does anyone posting here, but I’m willing to wait and see.
modifish
Real men of genius,…
Today we salute you Mr. procedurally knowledgeable patient San Francisco Giants fan. Another chance is all he needs and you are willing to wait and see
( I’m waiting and seeiiiing)
Because you know more than those other fans who just think he’s no good
( I’m not like those peeeeoplllllle)
He just needs more time on the vine and He’ll be like Bruce Bochy wine
( better get more wiiiiiiiine)
You’ll proudly sit in the cold and watch him make 5 pitching changes, in the 5th inning
( bullpen phone is riiiinginnng)
because you know that Philly is missing him (delusional).
So when you and 10.000 other superior Giants fans are cheering your team to a 5-20 September run ( last place sucks) you just relax and chill cause you know your rebuilding and with Gabe at the helm you will get those Dodgers next year.
(next year next year)
So crack one open Mr. procedurally knowledgeable patient San Francisco Giants fan
(smug)
and while your at it, move over for those Dodger fans who want your seat while their team is teaching Gabe how to manage.
(Mr. procedurally knowledgeable patient San Francisco Giants fan)
Jean Matrac
Wow missed the point much? Thanks for your extremely smug reply.
Yes, I am aware, as are others, that how a manager handles his bullpen, is not entirely his decision. I admit he is the one making the final decision and is responsible. But when someone simply says his handling of the pen sucks, that person is obviously ignoring other important factors, like the input from his catcher, his coaching staff, and the quality of the pitchers he has available.
Funny that you accuse me of thinking I know more than others, when you somehow have more knowledge than both the Giant’s and Phillies FOs, in knowing that Kapler is bad. With that knowledge you must be working for one of the MLB clubs. Like I said, I don’t know if Kapler will be a good manager or not, but you, paradoxically, are sure he won’t. And I’m the not-it-all?
missjill2u
It’s about more than baseball. Charles Johnson, the Larry Baer debacle and now Kaplan’s off the field antics. Was the decision re how they handled the assault decision a group decision? Yes. Does this excuse him? Nope. And let’s talk about his public lack of class. Talk about the use of coconut oil, sun on your nether regions and countless shirtless pics and it makes me want to vomit. Then factor in his results in Phillie. It’s many pieces not just how he used the bullpen. I listened to Zaidi on knbr this morning. He quoted numbers that showed that Bochy was #1 re use of bullpen, no surprise. Then he boasted that Kapler was #8. After the interview the radio announcer said, “We’re #8! We’re #8!” Lastly, I wonder how Kapler as manager will effect whether or not players will want to come to SF. I don’t know
modifish
Messin with you…. But really…Krapler is horrible. He’s just a bs artist. A majority of Philly fans recognized it day one. He will be the yes man required for the job and be gone by the time the Giants put it back together again. I could not work for an MLB team because posers like Krapler make me long for the past, when baseball guys made jokes out of twinkies like him….I wouldn’t last one day…wish you luck with him, maybe his schtick will play better in San Fran, but his team wont…..
nemolee.exe
HA! Good luck in 5th Place, losers.
Jean Matrac
I bet you made that same prediction last off-season. And I’ll bet I’ll be able to say, wrong again loser.
dynamite drop in monty
One time in 04 Kapler hit a line drive homer at Fenway that hit a fat lady right in the gut while she was eating a hot dog. It was glorious.
pustule bosey
man with so much hate – I want the giants to win 100 games now
Dodgethis
All that matters is what does madbum think? And, will he resign with kapler at the helm?
strat1956
THANK YOU SF! I wonder how long it will take before you realize you hired a girls softball coach. No player will be accountable for not playing hard. Everything is beautiful.
Strike Four
Hey everyone, now I’m not a baseball expert like Farhan, but, I thiiiink hiring a guy with “has been investigated with regards to human trafficking” on his resume, fresh off a season where he relentlessly used his bullpen wrong, is the wisest move. Maybe. Hm.