10:48am: The Yankees have formally announced that Rothschild will not return to the staff in 2020.
“I want to personally thank Larry for his near decade of commitment to this organization,” general manager Brian Cashman said in the press release announcing the move. “Larry cares deeply about his craft and the pitchers under his tutelage, and he played a significant role in our successes over the past nine seasons. There’s a reason why Larry has had the type of distinguished baseball career he’s had, and it starts with experience and dedication that is difficult to emulate.”
10:30am: The Yankees have relieved pitching coach Larry Rothschild of his duties, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports (via Twitter). He had one year remaining on his three-year contract. ESPN’s Buster Olney first reported that the Yankees had discussed moving on (Twitter link). An announcement from the Yankees is expected today, at which point it will become clear whether Rothschild has been offered a different role within the organization. If he does leave, it’s worth pointing out that Rothschild was on the coaching staff of newly minted Phillies manager Joe Girardi for the majority of Girardi’s time with the Yankees.
The 65-year-old Rothschild has been the team’s pitching coach for the past nine seasons. Yankees pitchers finished the 2019 season as a middle-of-the-pack team in terms of ERA and FIP while ranking in the top third of MLB in terms of strikeout percentage. Nearly all of that success came without top starter Luis Severino, who missed most of the season due to shoulder and lat injuries, and without strikeout machine Dellin Betances, who tore his Achilles tendon in his first appearance upon returning from a shoulder issue of his own.
Looking beyond the staff as a whole, however, a number of key Yankees arms turned in pedestrian or generally poor seasons on the mound. James Paxton provided the Yankees with 150 2/3 solid innings, but he was the only regular rotation member with an ERA south of 4.00. Masahiro Tanaka (4.47), CC Sabathia (4.99), and J.A. Happ (5.01), in particular, all authored seasons that didn’t align with organizational hopes and expectations.
That’s clearly a rudimentary assessment of the staff, of course, and any shortcomings can be attributed to more than just Rothschild alone. But the Yankees organization apparently believes it’s time for a new voice to help guide its staff moving forth; Sherman suggests (also via Twitter) that the Yankees are moving toward a more modernized approach to game preparation. While Rothschild wasn’t closed off to modern, data-driven techniques, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see a younger coach more rooted in such tactics brought in to take over the staff.
Prior to being named Yankees pitching coach, Rothschild spent another nine seasons as the Cubs’ pitching coach. The veteran pitching guru has extensive experience working as a minor league pitching coordinator and bullpen coach, and he was also the inaugural manager of the Rays — a role he held from 1998 to 2001.
Sucks to see Rothschild go! They really need to bring in another pitching coach with managerial experience to help Boone imo. Thanks for everything Larry!
Don’t make this guy the scapegoat, Cashman! You are the one who passed on the likes of Scherzer, Verlander, Cole, Quintana & Corbin when they were out there. It’s not his fault you chose Sonny Gray instead.
But he could easily be blamed for the fact that Sonny Gray was an ace in Oakland and pitched like an ace this year in Cincinnati, but was mediocre with the Yankees.
And Quintana? Really? Have you seen that guy pitch in the last 3 years? Do you really think he would have been better than Sonny Gray?
Not for nothing but there have been many who couldn’t pitch in NY but had solid careers before and after elsewhere.
Quintana is nothing without Cooper
Carl Pavano, Kenny Rogers, Ed Whitson, AJ Burnett, Sonny Gray, and many others as well.
Their success everywhere except new york had nothing to do with managers and coaches.
You forgot Jared Wright.
It also took Pedro Martinez to unlock Severino’s potential.
Randy Johnson
Sonny Gray didn’t have the head to succeed in NYC. He’s not the first who can say that, either.
As for Quintana, he’s lost his way, but had a ton of potential at the time of the trade. Maybe they could have targeted Hamels instead? Bottom line: there were a ton of upgrades out there for Cashman to make and he didn’t get them done.
Jaret*
Please……you can say Giolito is nothing without his High school coach, who strayed away from Coop en route to his breakout season.The other starters listening to Coop aren’t exactly thriving.
This. Cashman gave $17m a year over multiple years to a starter not good enough to be in a decimated playoff rotation. While not wanting to pay similar money so Justin Verlander. He’s had plenty of great under the radar moves lately but some of his big moves and non-moves have been major major flops (see also Ellsberg as a reaction signing to losing Cano and trading for Stanton as a reaction to losing out on Ohtani.)
Oh the big-money pitcher in question was in his mid-thirties, too.
You realize Randy Johnson was 41 when he signed with New York and never was the same pitcher he was, right?
Ed Whitson was not that bad with Yankees
But nothing like the stud he was before…
@spinach
You really think Cash didn’t trade for Verlander because of his salary? Really? If anything I imagine it was because of what the Tigers asked for in a trade return. And I doubt the Elllsbury signing was in any way related to “losing” Cano. They could’ve brought Cano back but when the Roc got Seattle to offer $250 mil he rightfully passed and in hindsight, it was the right thing to do.
I never understood why Cashman signed Ellsbury tho. I thought that would end badly as soon as the ink was dry.
True or not, the story for two years has been that ownership would not let him add Verlander’s salary.
Traded.
Corbin was a good pass. It’s not like he would have saved the Yanks.
I agree, though only in hindsight. But I wasn’t upset at the time, since they got Paxton.
he didn’t “pas” on any of them. He had a budget to work with and thats what he did. Besides, it wasn’t pitching that did the Yankees in at the ALCS it was their bats. Far too many k’s
They could have had most of those guys for the contracts given to Tanaka and/or Ellsbury.
Ellsbury has gotta be the worst signing in the last 10 years of any signing. Not sure when aroid signed his 2nd 10 year contract otherwise thats the worst. Siriano was bad too.
Chapman’s bat?
Josh Hamilton was a pretty bad signing. David Robertson’s with the Phillies was pretty bad too.
1) The Yankees’ brand is winning WS. Period. If you’re not winning WS on a routine basis, and they aren’t, then you aren’t upholding the brand. You are failing your customers. And they are failing. Budgets are no excuse for tarnishing the brand. They have more than enough money from their customers to maintain the brand and honor their customers.
2) You seem to forget that Chapman blew that series (and he wouldn’t have been in there if LeMahieu’s bat didn’t deliver) and that pitchers allowed too many runs in 4 of those games.
And McCann and Beltran.
Chapman never, never should have been pitching to Altuve given his obvious wildness with his fastball. That is why he threw a mediocre slider and Altuve crushed it……they should have walked Altuve and pitched to Marisneck who was decidedly an easier alternative.
Mo4ever. Poor baby.
@Wrek305
Neither Alfredo nor Rafael were among the worst contracts, Rafael was like a 2/$20 mil deal and Alfredo was traded to us from the Cubs with them sending cash to NY too.
And put the Arod 2nd deal on Randy Levine. Cashman was against bringing him back when he opted out. Boras went to Levine and they negotiated that deal without Cashman being involved or interested,
@Mo4ever
Not really true. The average runs scored by the Astros as 3.6. The average runs scored by the Yanks was 3.5. Yanks held the Astros to 3 runs or less 3 games (1 shutout, one 1 run game and a game where they held them to 3 runs in 11 innings pitched. The problem is that the offense was held to 2.5 runs in their 4 losses. The pitching wasn’t pretty and it labored but for the most part, we simply could’ve score runs in clutch situations.
@rocky7
If it were less than 2 outs I would’ve given thought but be concerned about putting the winning run in scoring position with the pitcher/catcher combo of Chap/Sanchez. But that game situation was with 2 outs and the runner on 1st. You walk Altuve and pitch to Marisneck who DOES hit LH pitching well but not as fearsome as Altuve.
I agree.
Kinda glad he passed on Corbin. But you’re right, he has done a faceplant on building the rotation. At the deadline he clearly needed another top of the rotation stud and another strong bullpen arm. He got neither, saying everything was too pricey. So he and the team dropped another WS opportunity. He and Hal just don’t want it as badly as George did. For all his faults, you can say one thing about him: he understood that the Yankees brand was about winning WS, and he always went for it at all costs.
@Mo4ever
When ppl talk about missing George please name me 1 SP that was an ace he acquired from 1981-1993? Keep in mind that George was all about trading prospects for vets and had he still been in charge we likely would not have had all of Jeter, Mo, Pettite, Williams and Posada. And if the George was around and in control now we almost certainly would not have all of Severino, Judge, Torres, etc.
I lived thru those horrible 80s and I can’t understand how people thought George was a great owner after the 1976-1981 era, The franchise was horrible up until he was banned from baseball and relinquished control day to day control to Michaels/Cashman/etc
@Bernie’s Dander
Why does it have to be a scape goat? I never had a problem with Roth but there were a ton of commentators here who felt he was part of the blame.
And you guys have to lay off with blaming the GM or coaches for the failures of Grey and Happ. Neither was brought in to be an ace but both had success the year they were acquired and then fell apart the next year. In the case of Grey, he immediately had a bounce back year. The only thing one can say that either it was the pressure of NY, the stadium, the coaches asking them to do something different or the pitcher not buying into the analytics given to them. I know in the case of Grey I think they were asking him to throw more breaking pitches and be less reliant on his fastball. That wouldn’t exactly explain the splits for Grey but I do remember him speaking on the pitching philosophy.
I think Cashman should’ve traded for Cole as long as it didn’t cost them Torres. But that being said, I’m not sure the Yanks coaching staff would’ve been able to take Cole to the next level as well as the Astros coaching staff as well as the mentoring of Verlander. Again, still should’ve made the trade but I don’t know if he would’ve been THIS good with any other team except maybe the Braves and Dodgers who seem to do a much better job with developing their pitchers.
But I don’t think Cash was blaming anyone. Sometimes players just need a different voice or newer approach.
There’s a lot of talent in the likes of Severino, Paxton, German and Montgomery. Maybe they need a coach that can get the best out of them?
Good comments…..lots of posters here who are wining about the Yankees lack of acquisition of Cole, Corbin, Quintana etc., are conveniently forgetting the circumstances involved in acquiring them…..
Cole…..well Huntington asked for the world in return, starting with Andujar and Torres and going on from there…..totally ridiculous.
Corbin….well his yearn for the Yankees didn’t outweigh his interest in taking only the highest dollar contract he could accept….so much for childhood rooting for the Yankees effecting his decision.
Quintana….well another case of the White Sox treating the trade talks as is Quintana was the second coming of Sandy Koufax and demanding Torres and going on from there….ask the Cubs what they think of the trade since and those in Chicago will tell you Q is a nice #3-4 but certainly not worth the prospects they surrendered for him.
Easy to criticize moves not made except when you consider what it would have cost and what that would have done to the everyday makeup of the team.
ABOUT TIME!
Been writing about the need to fire him for over a year.
Gray was 4-7 with a 1.26 WHIP in his partial season first year with the Yanks (2017). I don’t consider that “success.” But I will grant you that Happ had a good partial first year. I don’t blame Cashman or Roth for Happ’s decline, though I think a two-year deal at his advanced age may have been rash. But I’ll give Cash a pass on Happ. On Gray, according to Gray, he was instructed to throw a high percentage of sliders, which he called a garbage pitch for him. Whoever was behind that decision, and to the extent that Rothchild and Boone supported and enforced that decision, has to own it. Not Gray. As his brief tenure in CIN has shown, they blew it. Not Cash (unless he stepped in an forced the analytics indicators down all their throats), but the manager and/or coaches.
There is talent in Severino, Paxton, German and Montgomery. But as with Happ, there are question marks with each of them. A WS victory, around which the entire NYY brand hangs, and which is very tarnished at the moment, is very much at risk with that core. Another pitching coach may do that trick. But that’s another big gamble.
What the Yankees really need to do is bring in a manager with managerial experience to help Boone.
Watch out Mlb the Yankees are pissed
Cashman should be the one getting fired.
This will be the most interesting offseason in decades…
It will be tough to top 2008-09, the last time the Yanks seemed this pissed.
Hal an current model of Cashman aren’t the same. They won’t go for it at all costs like they used to. Ever since Hal said “you don’t have to spend $200 M to win a WS” they have stopped being the first or second or third or… in payroll. The Evil Empire meme is completely off base at this point. The Evil Empire of the past two seasons, ironically, was the Red Sox. They bought the 2018 WS. Back to the original point, I don’t expect spending fireworks from the Yanks this offseason. They are further above the the tax line than they want to be already. Don’t see them going much if at all higher. Quite possibly they’ll be looking to go lower.
@Mo4ever
Interesting point but the Yanks still spent a ton of money the last two years. They acquired Stanton, then the highest paid player, and although they passed on Corbin they reinvested that money in Happ, DJ, Britton, Ottavino, etc. It wasn’t the total dollars of what Corbin received but from a 2019 salary perspective they spent double what they would’ve paid Corbin on an annual basis. Corbin would’ve been $25 mil on the books and those 4 were about $52 mil. Not exactly cheap.
I would be shocked if Cash doesn’t go all out for Cole or Stras. He and Hal kinda have to dispel the narrative that they don’t want to win like the good ole days. Although those “good ole days” were hampered when you had Tex, Sabathia, Arod and Jeter in their declining years and the roster was locked and less flexible. Hard to have it both ways. But if Cash,am doesn’t come with at least a 7/$240 offer then it’ll look a lot like he’s being cheap, even though that’s a huge risk that most owners won’t have the stomach for. But Cash should also factor in that after 2020 all of Happ, Paxton and Tanaka will be off the books and we wouldn’t have much left aside from Severino, German and Montgomey.
I’ bet my house that Cash won’t get Cole. Cash has already dropped the hint that he won’t spend stupid money for him (or anyone else) this offseason. Read it on MLB.com. I think Strasburg is in the same category. Maybe Wheeler.
@Mo4ever
Share the link where he indicated that p[ease.
Sorry but it’s off the homepage. I don’t know if it ever appeared on the Yankees’ team page. There is no way, as I know, to search articles that have scrolled off the main page. I was stunned when it appeared because previously all the talk was about the Yanks being a top bidder for Cole (I have to say that during that time I was still skeptical). I came away from that article knowing for a fact that they would not be. I have absolutely no expectation that they will be getting Cole. I have no expectation that this will be like 2008, when they got CC, A-Rod and Tex. It’s just not going to happen. I’m just hoping that maybe they’ll land a deal for Starling Marte, given Hicks’ status, and maybe Wheeler and/or Will Smith. Hey, I’m not certain they’re going to keep Chapman if he opts out. I wouldn’t 100% blame them (though it’s tough to judge on one pitch), I just have no idea who they’d get that would be better.
Have been a big fan of Larry’s for years but I agree with this move. Time to move on and get a fresh voice in the pitchers heads. Wish they had done this before Callaway joined the angels. He would’ve been a good pitching coach to have.
Callaway needed out of New York in the worst way.
Boone deserves his own guys.
Absolutely.
He doesn’t deserve his own pitching coach but he needs one better than Rothchild.
One pitch by Chapman and out he goes. Have to think if NYY was where HOU is now, things would be different.
Has nothing to do with that. Larry’s days were numbered from the day they brought in the guy from Driveline Baseball to be the new director of pitching.
The Phillies are deep into the Driveline thing too.
@ toomuchpie, They brought a driveline hitting guy in to do the minor league hitting and that wasn’t real strong this year with their prospects. @forestcobraAL yes the Phillies didn’t have much succes with the driveline guys in pitching and hitting
At least Rothschild has all that money from the Rothschild banks to fall back on. If you believe the conspiracy theories and since it’s the internet you should lol.
I’ve dated a Rothschild heiress. Also dated two other relatives of billionaires who collected hefty monthly trust fund payments. Beyond the immediate family members of the original businessmen the families are all on middle class budgets. They may not have to work but they can’t live the high life off their cut of the family fortune.
I would bet Larry Rothschild has made way more in baseball than he has off his family.
Thank you so much for your contribution.
Such A Lier
I don’t lie. I didn’t say I dated anybody famous I didn’t say I married into the money or anything like that. I said I’ve dated someone who is a Rothschild and I went out with two other women who were part of large family trusts (1 girl was 1 of 20 or so recipients from a $100 million fortune the other was 1 of 8 grandkids of a guy worth $900M-1.3 billion depending on the market)
They all proved they were part of the family they said they were. They all explained their situations in different terms but the basics were the same.
Anyway the OP on this particular thread is the guy who called Larry Rothschild rich and insinuated that devalued his baseball career and I am simply stating his baseball career is probably more relevant and lucrative to him than being a Rothschild.
I think he is going to the Phillies with Girardi.
I’d be down with that.
Beat me to it. I believe it’s a forgone conclusion. Heck, they might announce his hire at the Presser this afternoon.
I’d absolutely love that move!
would be neither surprising nor bothersome
Paging David Cone @dcone36!!!!
You are needed ASAP.
I could see Cone as the new pitching coach….he certainly embraces the analytics approach and is a new voice and proven major league pitcher in his time….might be a great fit. Wonder how the chemistry would be with Boone though?
I like that idea.
Andy pettie
Fk Andy he went to Houston
Silly, That’s like Sox Nation turning Clemens into a pariah because he (gasp!) left Boston for more money. Andy left because 1) he’s from the Houston area and 2) he was good friends with Clemens, who had gone to Houston. Nothing to get upset about. People switch teams for money, relationships and home life all the time. The rest of us schlubs do the same thing.
One of the biggest jerks in all of baseball in my time as a fan. Told me to “f” off when I asked him to sign a ball in early. Derek Jeter was right behind him and grabbed the ball and signed for me. Cone barked at him in the dugout afterwards.
*early 96
In Cone’s defense he probably finished performing a #3 in the bullpen. Again.
how about CC?
@AZ_SRB
Al Lieter would be awesome at being involved in some capacity. He does an excellent job breaking things down on mlb.
Yeah see everybody it was Rothschilds fault. Nothing to do with anyone else. Would have won it all except for Rothschild. That’s the ticket. It was Rothschild.
Yankees needed a change at the pitching coach but I hope they don’t make an excuse on the next guys can fix it all.
This team needs 2 #1s after Louie boy
Nobody’s saying that. What people are saying is that 1) it’s time for a change and 2) he may very well have been part of the reason the NYY tripped on the doorstep of the WS. That’s very different from saying it was all his fault.
about time
Fall guy. Sabathia was old, Happ is a 4, Tanaka is inconsistent. He did have a great pen, but he needed better starters.
that Happ signing was all on Cash. should’ve expected that regression – and that they couldn’t lean on Paxton.
@DarkSide830
There’s no logical reason to expect the 2018 Happ (who was nothing less than excellent in the 11 game she pitched w/ the Yanks that year) to fall off dramatically.. Those who bashed Cashman for the signing were the same ones saying he should’ve signed Morton whos basically the same age.
And they were able to lean on Paxton once he found himself. He had a great second half and a very good around season.
Paxton had a so-so postseason, tho. Yanks really needed him to be the stud who won 10 games straight. But no.
@Mo4ever
I think we have to stop judging players by what they do in the post-season vs 162 games.. YES, the playoffs is where it counts but look at Kershaw. Hands down one of the best SP in the last 50 years if not one of the greatest of all-time but he sucks in the post-season? Is that the GMs fault? Of course not. I don’t think you can scout or coach someone to have a “clutch” factor. It’s all about the player and their composure. They have to dig deeper for it.
In the case of Paxton, he wasn’t a shut down pitcher but he was still worth having because without him, maybe they don’t even make it to the playoffs.
Andy Pettite has a career post-season ERA of 3.81. Kershaw has a 4.43. If asked, who would you want most on your team for a full 5 x 162 game season plus the post-season I think most would say Kershaw. You just have to hope that he puts it together when it counts.
I think you judge them on both 162 game seasons and the postseason, just as you do with teams. Fact is, it’s all about winning WS. You need studs who can help you do that. If Paxton had gone 4-0 in the postseason and the Yanks had won the WS, I would absolutely go with Paxton over Kershaw, especially at this stage of Kershaw’s career. If a guy is money when the pressure is highest, go with him.
That Pen was constantly fixed by the AAA pitching coach.
Boone also left Tanaka in a game where he got shelled for 12 Earned Runs because he didn’t want to exhaust the pen. Otherwise his ERA wouldn’t be so mediocre.
Boone was forever trotting our pitchers in the 6th for their third time through the order, only to let them serve up important runs in tight ball games. So frustrating. Then his infuriating love of Lyons and Tarpley. Boone’s pitching decisions cost them 5-10 wins. I know they won 104 but they would have won 112 but for Boone. On the flip side I don’t believe his on-field decisions won them any games at all. The players won all the games that Boone didn’t cost them.
The other thing he would do is leave starters in to get rocked out of the game big time rather than pull them out when the damage was manageable. It’s like he had a set number of IP he wanted from the starter and he’d try to leave him in that long regardless of what happened on the scoreboard. Maddening. Winnable games forfeited.
@Mo4ever
I think you’re exaggerating a bit. Lyons pitched all of 8 IP and Tarplley about 24 IP and both were mostly used in low leverage situations. When you look at the results of when they pitched, they weren’t responsible for a couple of action w/l decisions.
But seriously, Boone did an amazing job this year. If someone told you that the Yanks would not have Stanton, Severino, Andujar and Betances for 95% of the season and that Judge would miss 50 games along with a slew of other injuries to Sanchez, Voit and Hicks and still win 103 games I think most of us would be doubtful.
So Boone is responsible for LeMahieu, Urshela, Taubman, pre-injury Frazier, pre-injury Voit, etc., mashing? Or Maybin playing like he never has before? Yeah, see, I don’t believe that for a minute. I give those players the credit for keeping this team afloat against all odds. I don’t think Boone batted for them.
24 IP (Tarpley) for a 6.93 ERA pitcher is HUGE. And what about 41 IP for Holder at 6.31? 25 IP at 8.53 for Adams? 66 IP for Cortes at 5.67?? I mean, the hits just keep on coming.
@Mo4ever
At the end of the day, all players are responsible for doing their job. But Boone did a great job using his resources. You can’t hold a manager responsible for a 75 win season but not give him credit for a 100 game season. It is not easy managing in NYC , so yeah, I’m giving him credit for doing his job.
And yes, the Yanks had some dogs out there but most of the time they were brought in for low leverage situations. But keep in mind it’s not his job who’s brought up and sent down to AAA. But even with those dogs the Yanks still had one of the best pens in baseball. Every team has a few dogs. The mighty Stros gave Framber Valdez and his 5.86 ERA over 70 IP. Josh James and his 4.70 ERA had over 60 IP. But again, when you’re down by 5 or up by 5 you need guys to soak up innings. The guys you mentioned for the Yanks didn’t cost them as many games as you think. And to be honest, a couple of bad outings can really make a RP ERA balloon.
I give those position players I mentioned the credit (along with German and Paxton in particular on the mound; unfortunately German drop-kicked the postseason with his despicable behavior and Paxton was mixed) for the success of this year’s team. My observations of Boone’s on field decisions do not give me any reason to think he deserves special credit. The one thing he did do was coin the concept of “next man up.” The next men up, however, took those opportunities and performed beyond all reasonable expectation. And I put that on them. Ironically, the guys you would have expected to lead, like Judge and Gregorius, when they were healthy, did not play as well and did not lead as much as the likes of the guys I mentioned above.
Great are you leading us to believe that the next guy can get these guys to pitch 7 innings? This another BS move so the Yankees don’t go after starting pitching. More smoke and mirrors. I’ll sit and wait till you tell us that the next pitching coach will fix all the starters and that you won’t be getting any SP.
Tell Roth to take Brett Garbage the post season DUD with him.
“Brett Garbage”…so edgy.
There’s a photo of Gardy with his shirt off that shows how strong he is in his upper body. The caption underneath the photo in Louie’s bedroom is, “I wish my wimp husband was built like this and could perform. So I stay stuck in a life sentence with Louie Loser.”
Gardner’s the new strength and conditioning coach/hitting coach.
No. Not going to happen. The new normal is starters do not pitch into the third time through the order. Everything points to the fact that they shouldn’t. Their are maybe 5 pitchers in baseball who can pitch 7-9 without significant risk, and the Yankees don’t have any of them. The 26th player has to be a reliever.
@Louiebeans
I literally don’t think you can help yourself not to mention Gardner. Hahaha. This post has NOTHING to do with any of the hitters …but yet,,,,the Gardner hate.
I hate to admit it. I almost admire your commitment. But remember…you said if he came back you’re not going to watch any Yankee games. I’ll be watching you bro,
Me? I didn’t mention Gardner. Since you bring it up, he did stink up the joint in the postseason, and as I recall Boone had him batting 3-4 a few games, which I wouldn’t have done even once. (Wouldn’t have done it in the regular season, either, but Boonie did it many times.) I could go either way with Gardner coming back, so long as he is the #4 OF. Since Hicks will miss a good chunk of this season as well, they obviously need a solid player in CF, and there are darn few of those around beyond Starling Marte. And I have no real confidence in Hal/Cash having the will and determination to pull that off.
@Mo4ever
I did address it to @Louiebeans as you can see.
As for Gardner, Cashman stated he brought him back in 2018 to be a placeholder until Frazier shook the rust off in AAA. He had hoped that at some point Frazier would take over.
Me, I wanted Cash to go after one of Harper/Brantley/Markakis. I was one of the few and most were telling me I was stupid. I figured we could use another LH bat and Harper made way too much sense. But even with passing on him I salivated at having either Brantley or Markakis because I thought they would both benefit from the short porch and both were great contact hitters with gap to gap power.
Back to Gardner, post-season failure aside, it would be stupid not to bring Gardner back on a 1 year deal. He hit for power, he hit more HRS away from YS so it was legit.. He played great defense and can play both LF and CF at a high level. If he fails, release him and we keep it moving. Very little risk in bringing him back. Tons of risk if someone else in the OF gets injured. And I would hate to trade the prospect cost for Ozuna.
Your points are well taken. I just don’t see Gardner coming back as anything but a 4th OF at this stage of his career. And I wonder how that works if they get a new CF and then Hicks makes it back. Where does Gardy go then? And what happens to Frazier? Given what happened this year, I wouldn’t proceed as if Hicks is coming back. We need that new CF.
Nope same ol same ol. Brett Garbage will be back at the 3rd outfielder and I STILL won’t turn on the TV
I won’t watch I swear. When you bat third THIRD in the post season I don’t even turn on the TV.
I haven’ttttttttttttttttttttt been wrong yet =)
Poor Larry, victim of Yankees mismanagement of their resources.
I think the Orioles are in need of a minor league pitching coordinator. I wonder if he’s too “old school” to work with Mike Elias though.
The Orioles just promoted Chris Holt to that position. He’s quite good.
Reasonable time for a change. Get a fresh face focused on analytics.
If you turned in a pedestrian season does that mean you walked a lot?
I don’t believe so why do you ask ?
I see what you did there
Is it just me or is the entire Rothschild family ugly as crap? Seems with all these billions they got at least get some plastic surgery!
@Baseballfreak
Silly question. He’s not REALLY related to thee Rothschild family of billionaires is he?
Will be in Philly by the end of the week
Swap Stanton for Upton and maybe Middleton … And have New York throw in a couple top prospects to get Stanton off their hands ,, Frazier , Garcia, Wade?? Probably two of the three
Garcia, Frazier, and Wade have vastly different amounts of value Aha.
lol
Upton and Middleton for Stanton and Frazier.
That probably works. The angels may want a reliever back. Or trade German out there with Stanton.
3 years of Upton for $72M or Stanton for $204M/8? You have to throw in a lot more than Frazier. It’s basically asking LAA to pick up an $132M/5 for Stanton, for his ages 33-37 seasons. They signed Pujols for something equally ridiculous, picked up Wells’ ridiculous salary, and added Upton.
But the famed LAA generosity has to have some limits.
There is no way the Angels would make that deal. Stanton just missed basically the whole season and Frazier isn’t as exciting as you guys pretend he is. There’s a reason why every Yankees fan wants to move him in every deal.
@1738hotlinebling
I think that would be a bad move. Stanton would likely have had 3 years of 150 games played had he didn’t take that pitch to his face in 2016, But he had a solid year in 2018. It’s too early to declare him a bust. Also, I would personally hunt Cash and Hal down and beat them about their knees if they traded a prospect, let alone a pitching prospect or German just to save money. Yanks can absorb his contract and still field a great team.
I would expect them to take that money saved and reinvest it in other areas, like SP with Cole (and not a runner-up like Strasburg or Wheeler; they have enough runners up). Not sure there’s a good deal to be had with Stanton at this point. It would be selling low. I admit I wonder if he isn’t made of glass at this point, whether he will ever be worth his contract. We’ll see.
@Mo4ever
To be fare. Stanton was on his way to playing a full season before having his jaw shattered with the ball to the face. The following two years he played in 158 games each season. So it’s not exactly a sign of his fragility. Maybe he needs another off-season training regiment to loosen up more than weightlifting .. But discussing scenarios where we give up our scarcest assets (high end prospects or pitching) would simply be making the situation worse.
ESPN is reporting that the Yankees want to bring in Bryan Price as their new pitching coach
I was wondering the same thing, whether this was about Rothschild, or if they just saw an opportunity they wanted to take advantage of.
Well Price turned down the DBacks offer so clearly he’s got other interest. Yankees or Red Sox at this point I’d have to think
I get the need for occasional change, but I (RS fan) thought Rothschild did a good job.
CC has a FIP of 4.43 over the previous 5 years and just turned 39. Plus, it is not like a pitching coach is going to teach him anything new after 19 years.
Happ-I don’t remember the article or the numbers, but things like his 2018 spin rates suggested a huge regression, and again, he just turned 37.
Paxton’s ERA+ last year was 116 against a career ERA+ of 117.
OTOH, German took a major step forward. I see more positive than negative with Rothschild.
someone has to be cash’s scapegoat
Cash and Hal would never take the blame themselves for not going for it and plugging the hole before the trade deadline. They needed another frontline rotation piece and another solid bullpen arm. They did nothing saying the available options were to pricey. So they gambled the postseason and lost, as they have done so many times since George left (the other problem has been a few horrendous uses of sizable capital, like Ellsbury and McCann). Cashman, looking to deflect blame from the bad risk he took, blamed it on the hitters. When it was the pitchers who lost the games, including Chapman. Had it not been for LeMahieu’s bat, Chapman wouldn’t have gotten into that game…
@Mo4ever
You can fault them for not getting Cole or Corbin but let’s stop with the whole “failure” to get an ace at the trade deadline? Who was this ace you’re referring to? The Mets clearly were not going to trade any of DeGrom, Syndegard or Wheeler? How do we know this? Because there were plenty of other teams that needed pitching too and the Mets didn’t trade any of them. My guess it would’ve had to be something bordering on stupidity to get a DeGron and by stupidity I don’t mean any of our prospects as a headliner. More like a Torres.
But let’s not act as if Stroman, Kluber, Ray, etc were aces. And do we REALLY need another bullpen guy with Chapman,. Ottavino, Britton, Khanle, Green, etc? I think a trade for a major arm would’ve been them “looking busy”.
With the crap arms that I mentioned elsewhere, plus Loaisiga, whose ERA is deceptive because he pitched incredibly poorly, it was clear they could use another BP arm the equivalent of, say, Kahnle or better. Loaisiga, btw, pitched poorly in the postseason, too. That new BP arm could have been the difference of not losing Homefield advantage to Houston in September (it would have saved Boone from trotti ng out Lyons and Tarpley, even Cessa, and offset other of Boone’s bonehead moves).
You have no idea what they did or did not offer, which pitchers they discussed (and neither do I). They obviously looked because they pointedly said the options were too pricey. Meaning, as I said, they were unwilling to go for it, because whatever they pursued, they walked away from. Just saying I think “at all costs” George wouldn’t have come up empty-handed. They Yanks brand is WIN NOW, WIN OFTEN. Hal and Cash keep failing. And they failed again this year. They’ve failed ever since George moved on. The Yanks won two or more WS every decade since the 20’s, except the 80’s and this one.. THAT’S the Yankees brand. By the measure of THAT, Hal and Cash STINK.
@Mo4ever
I know what names were being mentioned as trade targets on the market and there wasn’t a single ace mentioned. I’m assuming they called around for just about every ace and were either told they weren’t available or they wanted more than prospects like a Torres who many teams asked for in a trade.
But again, George never acquired a true ace in any trades he made and the ones he did acquire were over the hill vets for guys who later became stars. Shoot, we could’ve had an ace if he kept Drabek who was traded for overhill 35 yo Rick Rhoden or Ted Lilly for the wrong Weaver, Jeff instead of Jarrod.
GSIII made horrible trades using prospects for guys with names but well past their prime. If in charge I doubt the core 5 of the 90s would’ve been in tact. No coincidence the team prospered once he was vanquished from the game and later ceded day to day to more capable people. Loved the spirit of George but he destroyed any hopes of winning in the 80s and early 90s.
Maybe but he was great for the late 90s and early 00’s when they were perennial contender. He had his faults but he always gave it everything he had.
@Mo4ever
GS3 had nothing to do with the day to day during the mid 90s to early 2000’s. NOTHING.
Rothschild has had a long and distinguished career, but it was a much needed move. It’s been ten years since the last World Series championship and the main cause has been an average pitching staff, along with consistent overuse of the pen. He’s a guy who came from an entirely different generation of pitching. With analytics more utilized across MLB, all thirty-two teams will be trying to adjust. The Yankees need pitching and hitting coaches who can help mentor the younger players. Veterans like CC obviously still know how to contribute without help, but guys like Tanaka, Paxton, Chapman, Severino, Green. Betances, Loaisiaga, Cessa, Holder, all need to learn the best new approaches to be the most effective.
Agree with your points and would simply add that we cannot expect starters to go deeper into games in this day and age. There are only a handful of pitchers who can do that without much risk, and two of them are with Houston. The rest have to stay away from the third time through the order. The stats don’t lie. You can’t simply will them to make it through. Odds are a virtual lock that they will get hit for runs in the sixth. This means the 26th player must be another reliever and that more relievers will have to be stretched to 2-3 IP types.
@Mo4ever
I also think the pitching style is a factor. Paxton strikes out a ton of guys but he’s usually at 100 pitches by the 5th or 6th inning. I wish some of these guys would learn to pitch to contact and have easier innings where they induce more GB. You don’t have to strike out everyone. Severino I think needs to learn another pitch too. He can’t keep relying on 2 pitches even though he was a top 6-7 pitcher in all of baseball in 2017 and 18.
Yes. I think the trend toward everyone pitching 98-99 mph heat all the time is contributing to this trend toward 5 IP starts.
@Mo4ever
And honestly, I think teams, the Yanks one of the most guilty, are setting the bar too low. If a guy knows he only has to give you 5 or 6 IP then he’s going to pitch to those expectations. Pitchers seem almost incapable of changing their approach when you see a guy the 3rd time around. I would love for the Yanks to push these guys to work thru bad situations and see what they have inside. Not to jeopardize the game but I absolutely think that a guy like Severino will never meet his full potential unless challenged, And I absolutely think he needs to add another pitch to his repertoire. He’s already a top 10 pitcher when healthy. If he can develop a cutter or some other pitch that generates weak contact he could be a true, true ace.
Even though CC had a poor showing in 2019 he was great at getting k’s and inducing weak contact. Severino can’t strike out the world. He needs to add something else to keep guys off the fastball and keep his pitch count down. Yanks have a pretty good IF with Urshela, Didi, Torres and DJ in the field. Let batters beat the ball into the ground a few times and worry less about spinning the ball.
In his last 5 years CC learned to pitch without a 93+ FB. He was 5th in soft contact % in those 5 years. Can you imagine if he was able to incorporate that “pitch to the batter” philosophy back when he threw 95+? He would’ve been an even better pitcher in his prime. Why wait until you loose the FB to embrace that approach. Use the FB and slider to get ahead and then you have so many options to finish them off.
I guess I’m less optimistic about what you can get from “pushing” guys to go a third time through the order. Boone did a lot of it and 90% of the time it was a train wreck. Stats just say that 90, 95% of starters are just horrible at it. I’m past wanting to bang the team’s head against that wall. Better to bring in a phalanx of strong relievers, which, with Betances, the Yanks had. Without him, not enough.
Come to the Phillies!
White Sox fan here to all Yankee Fan’s don’t worry about this firing this is necessary step for Yankees to win the next 3 out of 5 world series you mark it down
All comes down to Hal and Cashman. There’s this line from the Untouchables which Sean Connery says to Kevin Costner, when Connery is dying from a mob hit. Connery says “what are you prepared to do?” That’s the question Hal and Cashman have to answer. George was prepared to do anything and everything (and Yankees haters hated it). Dombrowski was prepared to do anything and everything, buying Price and Sale and topping all payrolls for ’18 and ’19. Hal and Cashman have spent a lot, but they didn’t leave it all on the field this year (especially at the trade deadline when they left important needs unaddressed), and it very likely cost them the prize they have failed to win for 11 years now. We must conclude that they are not prepared to do anything and everything to win. They will not, for example, and you can mark my words (they have already tipped their hand on this per MLB.com), be bagging Cole this offseason.
And Cole is definitely the most impactful move they could make this offseason. It is not by any means safe to say that Severino is a number 1. Yet that’s what Hal and Cashman, willing to risk another WS because they are not prepared to do everything, will do. They will gamble on Severino, who’s future capability is unknown, rather than acquire Cole, whose future is in all likelihood well known.
@Mo4ever
No idea what you’re referencing.. All I’ve been reading about was how hard the Yanks were going to go after Cole.
And just for the record, you can say they’ve mismanaged their resources but you can’t call them cheap when they traded for the highest guaranteed contract in all of sports when they acquired Stanton. NOW…it is absolutely fair to question why they acquired Stanton IF that meant less money for pitching. I’m not all the way buying into the reason they passed on Corbin was for financial restraint as opposed to just not valuing him as being worth that much. But they are still big spenders.
My second comment above was a follow-on to the first. The first was a response to james 5150’s comment that the Yanks are poised to win 3 of the next 5 WS. My first response to his comment concludes with a remark about “bagging Cole this offseason.” My second comment is an addendum to that which explains why I think bagging Cole is important and opines that it won’t happen because of Hal Cashman’s current approach to putting the team together.
“you can say they’ve mismanaged their resources but you can’t call them cheap…” – southbeachbully
Cheap is a relative term. The NYY and the Dallas Cowboys are the highest value sports teams on the planet, with valuations north of $2B dollars. The fans are the reason for that.
The NYY can afford the highest payroll and have not had it for a decade, during which they have not won a WS, which is the lynchpin of their brand.
If the NYY are capable of winning the WS without having the highest payroll, then kudos. So far they have not won a WS with a payroll not even second and as low as sixth and IMHO, they are risking the brand at the cost of saving dollars. They are not winning WS and they are gambling it by not keeping WIN NOW, WIN OFTEN at the forefront of their branding strategy. They are blowing it. Yes, relative to their means and brand, they are being cheap and toying with the loyalty of their fans and the acquisition of new fans.
@Mo4ever
But one of the reasons why there payroll isn’t the highest is because Cashman produced a very productive farm.
Look at the production from Voit, Torres, Urshela, Andujar, Sanchez, Judge, DJ, Didi and Hicks in 2018/19. Collectively, they all together cost about $35 mil in salary in 2019. Go back 10 years and look at what we were paying for Tex (Voit), Andujar/Urshela (Arod), Sanchez (Posada), Judge (Swisher), Torres (Cano), Didi (Jeter), Hicks (Damon/Cabrera), Frazier/Tauchman/Gardner (Matsui) and Sanchez (Posada)..
Including Gardner, they’ve spent about $40 mil in today’s group where as those guys back in 2009 cost about $115 mil. Shoot, even adding Ells and Stanton and we are still getting about the same production for tens of millions less..
From the offensive side, Cash has done a great job setting up the Yanks future. Going into 2019 I don’t really see any need to spend a lot on position players. With Hicks out, maybe he can look for a short-term upgrade. But retaining our own FA and securing a Cole or Stras appear to be the 1 and only must have need this winter. With Paxton, Tanaka and Happ all being FA after this upcoming season I have to think (or hope) that they are willing to drop an offer that Boras likes. I heard whispers of $300 mil but I think competitors might be pressed to go 6/$240 plus maybe an option or two to move it closer to $280. That would satisfy Boras’ desire to set a record for aav and total dollars. No one knows but I think the Yanks remind everyone who the big spenders are again. They can offset a lot of Cole salary and give raises to the kids as they enter arbitration or are extended.
If they aren’t winning WS NOW and OFTEN, being productive means nothing. They’ve had a good future for a decade. It doesn’t matter if they aren’t winning WS NOW and OFTEN. Weare getting creamed by the Red Sox this century. CREAMED. And you want to talk bright futures? Give me WS NOW and OFTEN or it’s all just spit in the wind, as it has been for the past 11 years.
now fire the training staff and we’re in business.
Yes!
absolutely!
Thinking about it, does Rothschild go to the Phillies with Garardi? I would think Cashman already has in mind Rothschild replacement. Looks like the Yanks are going to lose in the playoffs to the winner three years in a row, but they are one great pitcher and a healthy team from winning it all. I like the Astros pen, they have a pitchers throwing out of different windows.
They should bring in Pedro as the next coach
Time to install PitchBot 3000. Finally.
David Cone
Hello Philly. Reunited with Joe Girardi.
The last trail of Joe Girardi’s mustering farts. Good riddance if you ask me!
Whoa I though based on the analysis by south beach and others the yanks pitching was great…
Good luck to roth in the future. Hard to win when you’ve got 2/5 of the Rotation being happless and the fat man another 2/5 in Tanaka and pax who are inconsistent and then whoever….
I can’t wait for the Cashman’s excuses when he does his first interview after someone else signs Cole, or Strasburg (if he does opt out) for that matter.
it will be the usual. Nicely Blame Hal for holding the budget at only 230 mil like that is a punishment (although he sells it as he and Hal are in it together), then launches into we made an offer but the player picked another and forgets to mentioned he low-balled by about 30% b/c that is what he values the market.
am i close?
Don’t forget the old “we decided there was plenty of in-house help” SBD and all the fanboys will be like, yea we didn’t need him anyway. Plenty of what ifs to go around with those dummy’s.
Yup. Cashman and Hal are big losers and they point the blame everywhere else.
ah yes, forgot about that one…. yes we have an 18 year old at tampa who’s spin rate is better than nolan ryan’s let alone justin verlander.
good point and catch- thank you
@Steven Chinwood
Again, calling me out by name.. So childish. Never…ever…ever did I say the Yanks didn’t need a true #1 . What I did say was that Wheeler, Stroman, Robby Ray and an injured Kluber weren’t that.
Also, I said that he SHOULD”VE traded for Cole as long as Torres wasn’t the asking price. And let’s be clear. Cole was a pitcher with a ERA over 4 that had dropped from 2.60, to 3.88 to 4.26. Even then, he should’ve been traded if all we had to include was Frazier. But let’s not act as if he was the same ace on the market last year.
Seriously, you guys are great at passing judgment after the fact. I wish I could go back and see what you guys were saying a year or two ago.
Finally, to both of you. I didn’t offer an excuse for the Yanks losing but they played the Stros very well and it could’ve easily gone the other way if the hitters hit better with RISP and Chapman hadn’t served up the HR in the 9th. Now if you think the Yanks chances would not have been better if German, Severino, Stanton and Hicks were available and had a good month or two of games under their belt then I can’t take you serious at all. None of us will ever know but it’s logical to think those players could’ve helped bridge the gap in the playoffs.
Tell me where my logic is wrong.
“Now if you think the Yanks chances would not have been better if German, Severino, Stanton and Hicks were available and had a good month or two of games under their belt then I can’t take you serious at all.”
Of course the Yanks’ chances would have been better given the conditions you mention. But a winner doesn’t count on things going right, as Hal/Cashman did. They said the Yanks were fine as is. The Yanks were MAYBE fine as is if everything went right. That was the gamble, and Hal/Cash lost it. The rest was history. We lost the home field advantage, will lost the ALDS. A winner puts in 150% to succeed, knowing things don’t always go right, knowing, in fact, that they seldom do. Had they done that the odds of winning would have been higher. They would have left it all on the field, just as they were asking the players to do. But they didn’t. We will never know what would have happened had they gone 150%, but we do know that they did not give it their all. And then they lost.
@Mo4ever
Again, that comment wasn’t directed to you. It’s more of a running conversation I’ve had with the other guy. My point of saying it was that he felt the entire staff needed to be gutted and we needed 3 FOR pitchers based on how we fared vs the Astros.
Of course you have to plan for injuries but how can you plan for 20 different guys being injured and one of your best SP being unavailable because of a non-baseball related issue like a DV investigation dropped a week before the end of the season?
All I proposed was that if German were avail and if Sev, Hicks and Stanton were nursing injuries and rusty that I think we could’ve beaten the Stros. Yes, they have a Verlander and a Cole but it’s not just those 2 vs the Yanks. It’s one 25 man team vs another and I don’t think the gap in talent is as wide as some suggest.
If Cashman maintains the depth and can pencil in a healthy Cole/Stras + Severino + Paxton + Tanaka + German with Happ and Montgomery duking it out for the #5 then I think we are the best team in baseball. We won 103 games without a number of key players contributing anything. I know it’s WS or bust but we can be an elite team with those guys mentioned.
By the mid-season it was easy and necessary and smart to plan for record-setting injuries. That’s why they needed to get top-shelf reinforcements for the rotation and bullpen. To fight off “anticipatable” injuries.
No IQIS, you are short. Mrs. Geeson told u that when you were ranting in spring about the same thing.
Though real Yankee fans want to win every year, only hard up fans whine when they don’t win it all.
Time to grow up.
Too bad the Yankees haven’t won anything in 10 years, and counting. It’s been downhill ever since Stick Michael left the team. Look it up.
@fitsiqis65
Calling me out by name is kind of childish but you did so…
THESE ARE FACTS…
2017-2018-Severino is 5th in WAR, 11th in ERA and 6th in FIP
2017-2019- Paxton is 13th in WAR, 26th in ERA (3.26) and 13th in FIP
What I did say was that the Yanks don’t need to get 2 or 3 pitchers as you and others have suggested. I said they need one bonafide ace so we can push others down a slot.
If they can add Cole or Stras to Severino, Paxton, Tanaka, German, Happ and Montgomery then they’ll have a great staff and I stand by that.
Use facts to show me my thinking is off.
And it’s so easy to evaluate a deal after the fact. Makes you seem so smart. But bringing back Happ was a solid decision considering what he had done up to that point. In the 3 years prior he showed that he can pitch in the AL East and pitch well vs the Red Sox and at Yankee stadium. He had 3 consecutive years of an ERA/FIP well under 4. including going 7-0 in 11 starts as a Yankee with an ERA under 3. Sorry, I’m not going to hold Cashman to blame for Happ having a bad season. It was a low risk contract for 2 years..
At some point, when do you blame the player for under-performing?
And it wasn’t a I’ve got Happ so I’m going to pass on Corbin. It was plan B or C. after Corbin decide to sign with the Nats.
But let’s make this clear. Idiots like you would’ve blamed Cash had he acquired Cole and instead of being the Cole he became in Houston he was the same Cole with the ERA over 4 that was on the decline 3 years in a row. Had he been acquired and NOT turned into an ace then you’d be bashing him for that. All you do is look at things after the fact. And for that, you are soooooo brilliant. Great job son. Give me the winning lotto numbers they day after they come out too.
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For Yankees’ fans all that matters is 1) are they winning the WS now? 2) are they winning the WS often? Everything else is chatter, excuses and noise. This century the Red Sox are a more successful francise. Significantly better. The Giants are a better franchise. The Astros are a better franchise. All that matters and is a direct result of Hal/Cashman not respecting the brand and putting a strategy to WIN NOW and OFTEN first. Trying is not enough. Leaving it all on the field is what it takes. No excuses.
@Mo4ever
You are absolutely right but at what point do you hold the players that under-performed responsible? People act like Sabathia was brought into be the ace. He was brought in to be the #5 starter. Yanks didn’t lose because of him. And again, Happ didn’t do his job. I’m not going to crucify Cash when an otherwise good SP falls apart. He signed him to a 2 year deal coming off of 3 above average seasons in the AL East.
You can blame Cash for not signing Corbin (if you subscribe to the idea that you don’t care about risk), You can blame him for trading for Stanton (if it prevented them from spending more on Corbin or bringing in a LH bat). You can blame him for Ellsbury. And if the Cole deal fell apart because he refused to get rid of a player not named Torres then you can rightfully blame him to. But that’s it. If I were a GM I would’ve signed Happ, traded for Grey and brought back Gardner and CC last year on their 1 year deals.
But it’s very easy to say, you didn’t win and it’s all your fault but last I checked he’s not the one choking with RISP in the game where they lost 3-2 in the 11th inning or when we went into the 9th tied when Chapman forked over the HR. That’s on the player.
The Dodgers are a perfect example. Great teams in the last few years. Their failure to close the deal, is that on the GM, manager or players?
If a GM can field a team that wins 100 + games then those teams should be good enough to win it all.
look dude- i have been typing here for 3 years now that the Yankees only need an Ace and a #2 to win it all and a deviation off the homer or bust philosophy. Once again we enter hot stove in the exact same predicament.
If you read anything that i posted i was appalled by the trade for Happless in the first place and against the signings he made last year in Happless, CC, Gardy, and DJ. DJ though turned out not only to be phenomenal but exactly what we needed. Kudos to that one. I like Pax and that deal, but screamed it was not enough. It was not.
None of the Yank top 3 EVER match up with the better teams top 3. That is why they keep losing. You can beat 27 teams like Minnesota, but will never beat the top dog with Pax, Seve, and Tanaka leading the way.
The Yank issues are very very obvious to a blind man. That you can’t see it is more of a statement on your views.
No one on this board is more arrogant than you. You debate everyone who opines on the failure of ownership or heaven forbid the genius architect of this team. You come back with stat after stat that simply ignores the facts. If you are so smart , than riddle me this. Why have the yanks won as many WS as the Royals in the last 15 years while outspending them 5 to 1 in that same period????? been to less world series than the rockies, phillies, and rangers etc….
Had the yanks acquired cole and he sucked than yes Cash should have been blamed. what SP has he ever acquired or had in the farm become a stud??? The GM is responsible for this period. That is his job. he continues to fail. That sonny gray blasted the yanks about forcing him to throw differently that what had made him successful pre and post Yanks is a damning condemnation of how the genius runs things.
-fitsiqis65 If people don’t like your truth they shouldn’t respond. God I cringe at the bottom of the barrel starter Cashman is gonna get, and the plethora of excuses being used for no #1. Do these people realize the downturn German took at the end of the year?, not to mention the suspension he’ll end up serving. Montgomery is one of those capable fill ins for what Cashman will suggest as another one of his excuses for not getting what is needed.
ty and yes most people get it except for contrarians who point to useless stats as their sticking point. you know who we are talking about, since he is sensitive to any call out to his nonsense. You know the one who thinks German would have been the difference against the stros yet claims yankee pitching was superior. yes that guy…..
Thanks Steve and always a pleasure to have your support, input and common sense
IQIS-why don’t you propose to CHIN and you can make music together, preferably somewhere out of view.
IQIS is a wimp. Always right, his brain is overpowered by the little boy that has a hard time staying the course. This is from Mrs. Geeson. That was the alias that he used in the spring when he was continually ranting about Cash not signing Harper and Machado. “Wah, Wah we must get rid of Gardy”, who happened to have a higher slugging % than either of his choices. Oh and they each have 9 More years at $30-35 million per. Right, that makes sense.”???
Fits-Your boyfriend called you and tweeted again begging you to come and take your meds. Dinner and a doggy walk awaits.
And seriously fits- if you want to debate that’s fine but being childish and calling out everyone with obnoxious name calling and rude references need to stop.
No one else does that here but you.
You want to talk baseball go for it, but leave the other stupid stuff out.
You IQIS should not be calling out legitimate fans who post. You are a self fabrication of a pompous self righteous poster. I don’t need to stop. I only post to block dopes like you that play make
Believe GM-throwing around stats and analytics in the name of being a true Yankee fan.
Since I’ve torn away your veil it’s time to admit that your early 2019 posting name was Geeson. Don’t make believe being a virgin.
You were shamed into dropping your name and using my identity with the IQIS in the middle.
Stupid stuff is pretending. You were called out for your indiscretions. If you can’t be man enough to admit it then create a new identity. Only be smart the next time. It takes a dope to think that he can bully and bluff real fans with your stupidity.
Oh squeaky…you sound so good when you are on all fours.
Joe Girardi picking up the phone maybe?
Thank goodness…this guy obviously needed to be let go.. next is the training staff
I’ll take Pedro Martinez as our pitching coach in a heartbeat
I think Pedro is way above that.
Like Clemens was when he left the Sox and instantly became the Sox Nation’s pariah because he, gasp, left Boston for more money?!! If Pedro’s offered enough money he’ll go, unless he has no interest in being a pitching coach. He did, after all, play a key role in developing Severino.
@Mo4ever
I think what @thegreatcerealfamine was referring to is his stature might be way above being a coach. After all, other than Barry Bonds I can’t think of too many elite HOF who came back to the game as a coach. Pedro may not be interested in a role like that.
I just don’t know if he has the communication skills for non-Hispanic speaking pitchers.
@Mo4ever
Severino speaks fluent English. Not sure about German but Sanchez is usually on the mound to translate for him. I think most of these guys can understand English but might be too shy to speak it. I doubt the language barrier matters.
The Yankee’s player may speaking fluent English, but my experience tells me that Pedro’s English is sketchy. I’ve never understood why ESPN uses him other than that he’s HOFer.
@Mo4ever
I’ve listened to what Pedro has had to say and even with his accent he makes far more sense then others like Harold Reynolds. You may have to really listen close but you can understand him and his wisdom is worth the effort. Papi is a great personality but he;a little bit more style than substance imo.
I’ve heard him interviewed and his English is fine. And he is one smart dude.
I’m pretty sure he works with individual pitchers in the offseason as he’s mentioned it on-air multiple times.
He does but in the Yankee’s case it was a hispanic speaker. Has he consulted with a non-hispanic pitcher? Just not sure myself. All I know is that the past I’ve found him a little difficult to follow.
Rothschild will go wherever Joe Girardi gets hired.
Um, Girardi to Philly was announced 4 days ago.
Shocked this didn’t happen 5 years ago. One of if not the worst pitching coach of all time
Maybe he joins Girardi in Philly. He was Girardi’s pitching coach for 7 yrs in the Bronx.
I don’t want him , I would rather have Serage or John Farrell , My first choice was Callaway but he joined the angels
I don’t want him in Philly , Please go get John Farrel or Ray Serage
You seem to forget the job that Rothchild did with Yankee pitching…..did Farrel or Serage have his team in the playoffs every year they were coaches with the exception of 1 year? (By the way that’s 8 years of success)….I think not….
You can do a lot worse than Larry….Farrel was overrated and flamed out pretty fast, and Serage got old a couple of years ago…didn’t deserve the “pitching whisperer” title he was anointed with by the press.. How’s Pitts pitching been the last several years?
Query, how did Koufax, Hoot, Maddux, Pedro, on and on, excel without analytics?
@Juan R.
If NO one was using analytics then it doesn’t matter. They pitched how they pitched. But imagine if they had them? Scary.
But you can give every single pitcher the best analytics but it doesn’t mean the pitcher has the stuff to make use of it. Analytics can’t help you throw 100 mph, have the right feel for your off-speed stuff or have perfect command/mechanics.
I’ve heard it argued at length here on MLTBR, convingly I might add, that analytics, including binders full of stats, in the dugout used during the game, go back to the 60’s at least. The argument is that the SABERMETRICS folks have misrepresented the facts in claiming that they ushered in the use of “analytics.” The alternative claim is that Sabermetrics is simply a continuation of what was already evolving.
@Mo4ever
The info they have now is far, far more in depth. But that being said, you can’t force a player to buy into and use it with conviction. For some, you need to just keep it simple. .
Before, the info was more a summation of results. Now, they are getting into the science and mechanics of the game. I never saw saberstats that spoke on launch trajectory or spin rates or how this player hits the curve vs FB, etc.
Query, how did Koufax, Hoot, Maddux, Pedro, on and on, excel without analytics?
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Analytics has always existed. It’s more complicated today, but even 50 years ago, we had a book on every player in every sport.
Southbeachbully and Mo4ever, that’s precisely my point. All the posts here sating the next pitching coach needs know, or buy into analytics is hog wash. I doubt that knowing his spin rate would have caused Koufax’s curve to break more or Ryan’s 4seamer faster. Know don’t get me wrong, I think more knowledge and different tools is always better but I don’t think it automatically translates to better performance. Btw, analytics have been around for ever in one way or another. I think a manager who doesn’t get enough credit is Davey Johnson who used computers to track this data while he was the Mets manager.
Don’t stop now it’s time to get a new hitting coach never see so many bad swings balls in the dirt.
I know who’s next.
Yankees need a different hitting coach! Yankees are not hitting in the clutch. All I see them trying to do is hit homers. They need a hitting coach that can teach the Yankees hitters to hit base hits maybe bunt the ball. They struck out too many times because trying to hit it out of the park. Homers aren’t everything! Hitting in the clutch is!