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Three Needs: San Diego Padres

By Jeff Todd | October 4, 2019 at 10:05pm CDT

We’re continuing with our “Three Needs” series, in which we take a look at the chief issues to be addressed for clubs that have fallen out of contention. Let’s check in on the Padres, who desperately need to make some tangible gains in the standings after finishing in the cellar for the third time in four years. This offseason will require a delicate balancing act, and a thoughtful reallocation of resources, but there are paths to contention.

[San Diego Padres Depth Chart]

1. Trade Kirby Yates … For A Big League Asset

The Padres aren’t fully in win-now position. Yet they possess a high-end closer who’s entering his final season of arbitration eligibility. They shouldn’t give away Yates unless there’s fair value coming back. And they ought not go searching for far-away, high-ceiling prospects at this stage of their rebuild.

But that doesn’t mean Yates shouldn’t be marketed. It’s worthy considering extension talks as well, a la Brad Hand, but Yates is already 32 years of age and just one season away from the open market. He’s already sure to pick up a big arbitration raise. That could make it hard to get a true bargain.

Instead, the best option may be to dangle Yates — who will be of keen interest to any number of clear contenders — in a search for a quality, MLB-ready position player or starting pitcher. The bottom line is that the the organization has a really nice asset that can be turned into another really nice asset that better suits its needs. That may be tough to pull off. But think a bit more creatively and you’ll start to see avenues. The Friars’ last big swap was a three-team affair, so that’s always a possibility. Perhaps the Pads can take on salary as part of the arrangement, possibly helping big-market teams trying to stay under the luxury tax line. And attaching some other prospect pieces would help boost the value … while also helping with another notable need …

2. End The Prospect Trials

It’s great to have lots of prospects, even when many of them are pressing for the bigs at about the same time. And perhaps it was sensible to rotate many of them through the majors in recent years, when the club wasn’t likely to contend and it was useful both to give them a taste and get a look. But the Padres can’t just keep trying things on; it’s time they pick an outfit and wear it with confidence.

The constant up-and-down, mix-and-match approach has begun moving towards a conclusion. The big summer swap resulted in the departures of Franmil Reyes and Logan Allen, two youthful players that were part of the churn. For better or worse, the Padres have made sizable commitments to some players (Manny Machado, Eric Hosmer, Wil Myers). And emergent superstar Fernando Tatis Jr. is now ensconced at shortstop. The rotation seems to be coming into focus, with Chris Paddack joining Tatis as a potential centerpiece (and extension candidate).

In some ways, the difference here is subtle. It’s not just about how many plate appearances everyone gets — though, notably, a dozen players got more than 200 in 2019 while only two topped 500. That isn’t inherently concerning. It’s just a question of role and purpose. If the Friars want to set up a platoon, then do it. But shuffling through guys for a look and to see who sticks? It’s hard to do that and win. The focus must be on installing pieces that can, when deployed as intended, allow this team to top .500 for the first time since 2010. If they’re lacking, then they must be found, unless another losing campaign is deemed acceptable.

3. Work The Middle Market In Free Agency

Since taking over the San Diego front office in the fall of 2014, GM A.J. Preller has given out three whopping contracts that promised over $500MM in total. Otherwise, he has only twice gone over $4.5MM in a free agent deal: $8MM to Ian Kinsler and $18MM for Garrett Richards.

To an extent, you appreciate the concept of pursuing elite talent and filling in the gaps for cheap. But the broader market does offer some relatively low-risk, sometimes reasonably high-upside opportunities as well. For a team that needs to make rather significant strides just to get into the Wild Card picture — it’s tough to imagine the Dodgers being reeled in — there’s good cause to explore that segment.

Petco Park played very small this year. Perhaps that’ll make it easier to draw solid relief pitchers without having to promise them a worrisome number of years. There’s a good number of interesting, relatively youthful outfielders available, along with some veteran catching. It’d be much easier to take on a few reasonably hefty salaries now had it not been for the questionable decision to sign Hosmer, but the Friars can still plug in a few pieces without hamstringing future payroll too badly — at least, that is, if ownership is willing to approve a move past the $100MM mark in Opening Day payroll for the first time since the club snuck across that line in 2015.

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  1. bbatardo

    6 years ago

    To be more specific they need a frontline starting pitcher to lead the rotation, a left handed OF bat, a veteran reliever to bridge the gap to Yates and a new manager. For better or worse the Padres have to turn things around in 2020. Rebuild time is up.. this coming from their owner.

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    • baseballanalytics

      6 years ago

      Do you commit to acquiring / signing a LH center fielder though with Trammel as a possible late season call up in 2020?

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      • Pads Fans

        6 years ago

        Doesn’t have to be a CF. Fowler made it clear that they were trading Myers. So that leaves a hole in LF. Put Mejia in LF and let Cordero platoon with Margot and fill in the other 2 positions.

        Trammell struggled in AA. There is nothing that indicates he will be MLB ready in 2020 at all. More likely 2021.

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        • padreforlife

          6 years ago

          Fowler says lol. He owns 3% of team just killed minuscule value Myers has. There is no trade of turd like Myers.

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      • nypadre66

        6 years ago

        I’ve read that it’s a stretch to put Trammel in center. He played LF in Chattanooga prior to the Padres acquisition of him. Plus, as noted above, his stats were worse than Margot’s this year, but only at the AA level.

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        • padreforlife

          6 years ago

          On and on now with Trammel the new prospect Padre fans obsessed with penciling him as starter

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        • nypadre66

          6 years ago

          Trammel fits the mold for a Padres starter in the Preller age – great tools, hits about 230 with flashes of power and strikes out 40% of the time. And that’s all still at AA.

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    • some guy 2

      6 years ago

      The Red Sox might be a possible partner, if they are serious about reducing payroll. Maybe Yates and a prospect for Sale or Price?

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      • Appalachian_Outlaw

        6 years ago

        If JD Martinez opts out in Boston, the Sox and Padres seem like they could match up as trade partners, and accomplish some mutual goals. I don’t know that the Pads would eat the entirety of Sale or Price’s contract, though. With San Diego being a pitcher’s park, and Fenway being especially favorable to RH hitters, what about?….

        Boston gets:
        Wil Myers
        Tyler Yates
        Hudson Potts

        San Diego gets:
        David Price
        Jackie Bradley Jr.

        Boston could use Myers at 1B and Moreland at DH, or vice-versa. Yates gives them a closer, and Potts replenishes some depth in their system. Plus Boston probably saves a little cash in the deal, SD gets a LH bat that can play CF in Bradley, and a former frontline SP that might be an ace again in that spacious park for a minimal uptick in salary, enabling them to continue to fill needs.

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        • Appalachian_Outlaw

          6 years ago

          *Kirby

          It’s early, but not sure why I had Tyler in my head.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Why would the Padres give up one of the top closers in the game and a pretty decent 3B prospect to add salary to their payroll? Price’s deal is severely underwater and JBJ is only marginally better than Margot.

          They get nothing out of that deal. I’ve said previously A deal centered around Myers for Eovaldi May work. Neither one of them has much value at this point and the dollar figures lineup for a trade.

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        • bleacherbum

          6 years ago

          Plus Potts makes no sense in Boston with Devers entrenched. Chavis and soon to be Dalbec cloud the picture even more.

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        • wordonthestreet

          6 years ago

          That trade proposal makes zero sense for either team

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          Price and Bradley Jr. have some value at their price. Myers has much less value at his price. I don’t see Boston interested in weakening their already weak starting pitching.

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      • globalform

        6 years ago

        lol. The Red Sox are not giving up a frontline starter for a 32 year old reliever with one year left on his contract. Ever.

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        • aamatho18

          6 years ago

          Top tier is pushing it. He’s a 3 nowadays. Also, getting the cap relief could push them to resign Mookie. Opening that cap space up opens up a lot of different doors.

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        • some guy 2

          6 years ago

          Agreed. Resigning Mookie has to be a greater priority than retaining aging (but still good) Price or Sale. Even the Red Sox have limits must eventually have make hard choices.

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  2. Ully

    6 years ago

    Interesting point of Petco Park playing very small, of the few games I attended I never saw that vicious marine layer come in and kill fly balls.

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    • BBB

      6 years ago

      When a ballpark “plays small,” that means a disproportionate number of home runs are hit there (i.e., it’s easier to hit the ball out of a smaller park). Not sure why that would attract relief pitchers, but in actuality Petco tied for the 22nd lowest park factor for HR this past season so it really played pretty big.

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      • wordonthestreet

        6 years ago

        BBB that was confusing to me as well in the article. If it plays small why would that entice relief pitchers, or any pitcher to come.

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  3. bravesfan

    6 years ago

    I mean….. they need new mgmt…. both in the dugout and front office. I would say that’s step one

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  4. Deleted Userrrrr

    6 years ago

    1. Get an ace
    2. Find a way to move Myers and Hosmer
    3. Get some consistency on offense

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    • baseballanalytics

      6 years ago

      Is it even possible to move Hosmer at this point? I could see Myers packaged with a mid level prospect and labeled a first baseman, but maybe it’d be better to let him (try to) rebuild even a smidge of trade value first and then unload asap in 2020 ??

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      • aamatho18

        6 years ago

        You legitimately can only move Hosmer if you give up a top 3 farm prospect to attach to that contract which is not happening.

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    • baseballanalytics

      6 years ago

      Is Hos tradeable? Can you even attach prospects to that contract? Legit asking.

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      • DarkSide830

        6 years ago

        yes

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      • aamatho18

        6 years ago

        Top prospects is the only way

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      • padreforlife

        6 years ago

        No Hosmer trade no value same with Myers smarten up for once Padre fans

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        • padreforlife

          6 years ago

          No value because both owed 170 mil total

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    • AngelDiceClay

      6 years ago

      I wish the Angels didn’t have Pujols. I’ll gladly take Hosmer. He’s better suited for the AL.

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      • Wolverines2

        6 years ago

        Please hold and have your credit card ready…one of our operators will be right with you!

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  5. phillyballers

    6 years ago

    1. Wins, 2. Wins, 3. Wins.

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  6. Charlie III

    6 years ago

    Why does Preller still have a job?

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    • padreforlife

      6 years ago

      Preller is hipster owners love

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  7. Charlie III

    6 years ago

    Like, isn’t the Hosmer contract, on top of the Myers extension, a fireable offense?

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      i doubt the owner would have okayed the moves if he so despised them from the start.

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  8. jakec77

    6 years ago

    Yates and something for Edwin Diaz. Mets get a reliever coming off a couple of great seasons but with only a year of control remaining, Padres get a guy with arguably higher upside but coming off a terrible year, but three years of control (hence why Mets get more). As for what more constitutes- maybe Manuel Margot and a 2nd tier pitching prospect or two (I believe SD as an imminent roster crunch coming and so may be willing to part with guys they aren’t able to easily keep.. I’m talking high floor, low ceiling kind of guys who can be stashed at AAA as depth and who project as #3 pitchers at best., but more likely #5 starters or relievers. Margot becomes a platoon CF/4th OF as Mets need a strong defender is CF, especially if it means pushing Nimmo over to a corner..

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    • Soldierofgod619

      6 years ago

      Trade Yates for a LH RF or a young starting pitcher with years of control. Trading one of the best relievers in the game and best closer last season for a reliever coming off a down season no thanks.

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      6 years ago

      Not going to happen. Mets have already come out to say that neither Diaz nor Thor are available this off season and both will be back next year. Now if the Padres blew them away with an offer they might consider it, but Yates with one year left and Margot + a couple of minor league pitchers won’t get it done. Diaz is controllable for the next 4 years (cheaply for 2+) so trading Diaz for Yates in a walk year makes no sense.

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    • AngelDiceClay

      6 years ago

      The Mets just came out and said Diaz and Syndergard won’t be traded this off season. But then again that could be Brodie’s way of getting teams to ante up their proposals.

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    • jakec77

      6 years ago

      I always feel like my suggestion may be on point when the 1st response says no way, Team A would want a lot more than that, while the 2nd response says no way, Team B would want a lot more.

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      • TeeBallChampion

        6 years ago

        Sorry, it’s not.

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  9. sufferforsnakes

    6 years ago

    1) Does it matter what they do?
    2) Not really.
    3) They’re doomed to mediocrity.

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    • Deleted Userrrrr

      6 years ago

      Thanks for the hard-hitting analysis Johnny Superscout!

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      • sufferforsnakes

        6 years ago

        You’re welcome.

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      at least they spent money to try and get better and dont try an shed costs right after going to the World Series

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      • sufferforsnakes

        6 years ago

        Yet they still made the postseason in 2017 and 2018.

        Indians—24 games over .500 in 2019
        Padres—22 games under .500 in 2019

        It’s not always about how much you spend.

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        • Wolverines2

          6 years ago

          How are those “empty homeruns” working out from Franmil?

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        • sufferforsnakes

          6 years ago

          Better than they were for San Diego.

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    • johnrealtime

      6 years ago

      That farm system would disagree

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    • padreforlife

      6 years ago

      Bingo

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      • padreforlife

        6 years ago

        Farm system still banging that drum

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  10. Soldierofgod619

    6 years ago

    We need a better RF option than Renfroe and Naylor. Don’t need to put so much money on 1 player when other teams play the middle of the FA market and succeed all the time. Paying 500m for 3 position players and still finish below .500 is laughable and Preller might get fired next season if things don’t change.

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      6 years ago

      Yates + 1 or 2 of their best prospects to Boston for Mookie Betts!

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      • Soldierofgod619

        6 years ago

        They should be going hard for Mookie even if its only 1 season. Can’t be wasting Tatis and Machado they need at least 1 middle of the order outfielder to improve a bottom of the barrel offense. Gore and Patiño off limits but we have enough prospects to make something happen.

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      • Deleted Userrrrr

        6 years ago

        Why would the Padres trade Yates plus more for yet ANOTHER one-year rental who they would have no chance of keeping?

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        • averagejoe15

          6 years ago

          Why would the Red Sox trade Mookie Betts for a 32 year old RP entering his final, most expensive arb year year unless Gore was coming along? The Sox would be insane to do this, the Pads would be thrilled if Yates + non-top 3 system prospect landed even a single year of Mookie.

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        • Deleted Userrrrr

          6 years ago

          I wouldn’t. Frankly, either team trading either player and getting another rental back in return makes no sense to me.

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  11. Pads Fans

    6 years ago

    “Contend or heads will roll” That is what Ron Fowler said, Expecting the Padres to contend without Yates is laughable. There is no one on the team to replace him and no reasonably priced relievers to replace him on the FA or trade market. The Padres should extend Yates for 2 years. Maybe by then Munoz or one of the other young relievers will have stepped up and earned the closers job.

    The Padres should completely avoid the middle market with the possible exception of one reliever to take Stammen’s place. Those are cheap and plentiful.

    First and foremost they need a top of the rotation starter. Everything else is secondary.

    It is clear from what Ron Fowler said recently that they are going to trade Wil Myers. That means they need to replace him, preferably with a player that bats LH. Not much on the FA market that is LH, so that will have to be accomplished either in house (Cordero or Mejia or both) or in trade. Not many good young LHB that will be available in trade, so let’s just say Mejia in LF and Cordero sharing time with Margot in CF to get two LHB in the lineup some games.

    They need to either commit to Hedges and sign a veteran backup catcher that bats LH or they need to sign Grandal. The Padres cannot straddle the fence any longer. The Mejia experiment at catcher is over, something the Indians knew 2 years ago, Allen is not starter material, and Torrens and Campusano are not MLB ready.

    Those are their 3 main needs. #1 Starter. OF to replace Myers that bats LH. Commit to Hedges and sign veteran backup that bats LH or sign Grandal.

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    • AngelDiceClay

      6 years ago

      The Angels and Padres could be fighting it out over Maddon and Cole this off season.

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      • DarkSide830

        6 years ago

        a lot of teams will be doing that

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      why does not having one relief pitcher doom them to fail?

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    • Wolverines2

      6 years ago

      Uh…actually the Hedges experiment has failed. Mejia got better defensively as he received more time. Hedges has continued to get worse as the most pathetic bat in MLB. Grandal would be nice. Mejia is young and shows signs of improvement.

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      • Deleted Userrrrr

        6 years ago

        Wait for it…

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      OK, Pads Fan, how does Preller get rid of Myers? What other organization is going to be dumb enough to take on Myers? Provide examples please so I can have a good laugh at your proposals.

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      • Deleted Userrrrr

        6 years ago

        He won’t

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      • Jim Scott

        6 years ago

        Myers is owed 3/$68.5m. He is projected to earn about 5 WAR (ZiPS) over those three years, so his contract is ~$30m under water. Per fangraphs, a #50-ish prospect is worth about $30m. So Myers + Abrams for a low prospect or two is mathematically fair.

        You asked for an example of a trade partner. The Blue Jays are looking for a short-term solution at 1B (until Vladdy ends up there), they have money to spend, and Myers did OK in the AL east earlier in his career. And Abrams is not expected to be MLB-ready (likely in CF) until 2022 or 2023, so will not contribute to a win-now Pads team.

        Alternatively, the Pads could do this trade with Myers + Patino and get back something more substantial.

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      • hockeyjohn

        6 years ago

        Perhaps the Padres can trade Wil Myers to themselves as they were the only team dumb enough to sign that contract.

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  12. okiguess

    6 years ago

    The Padres need a time machine and undo the Hosmer signing.

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  13. weaselpuppy

    6 years ago

    Niko Goodrum is a NL style guy. Margot seems to be a change of scenery guy if he will ever find his hit tool. Will Myers contract is 3 yrs of pain. Jordan Zimmerman’s contract is 1 year of pain. Myers Margot and Baez for Niko and JZ seems like a way to balance needs and salary dumps and changes of scenery…

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      So basically you want Goodrum and 45 – 50 million dollars for Margot and Baez. Why would the Tigers, a rebuilding team, want Margot? Baez is not enough of a sweetner to get the Tigers to take on the money of Wil Myers. Besides, Detroit is stronger with pitching prospects and need hitting prospects.

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  14. gregmcclain

    6 years ago

    Hedges has to go as he has never produced at the plate so lets go the ties. Hosmer was productive with me on base, look at the rbi totals, Luis Urías should plug the hole as second and of course we are set at 3rd and SS. Now, the outfield is a mess for sure and as far as I see it – the outfield needs a complete overall, Naylor and Margot are the only two I would consider holding on – cut Myer and get some pitching eat part of the wages. Pitching – damn where do you start? Pad stays but we need to bulk of with a starter or two. Gerrit Cole, Madison Bumgarner are the two on everyone’s search list or should be. Zack Wheeler would be a cheaper alternative as well. Manager? Lots to choose from that is for sure, but to be honest the smart one would be Rod Barajas the man who finished the season. Hey, the players love him which is key and he has a history of working with all our younger players when Rod was in the majors prepping these guys for the majors. Hey Maddon and one of the big name guys is good hype but we should learn hype does not win games. GO WITH Barajas!

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  15. bleacherbum

    6 years ago

    1. Trade Wil Myers. After Ron Fowler tipped his hand on the radio, he said teams were calling AJ Preller with interest if the price tag was 10-15MM less.

    Okay, let’s match that up to needs. Seattle has no place for Dee Gordon, he can be the LHH platoon parter with Urias at 2B and in CF to spell Margot. Owed 14 mil next year. Kikuchi was also somebody who Preller was interested in last offseason but lost out to Dipoto. After a trying Rookie year plus 33 mil owed, he plus Gordon pay down Myers to a level which makes sense for both sides.

    2. Hire one of Maddon, Girardi or Scioscia

    3. Push hard for Cole, if unsuccessful pivot to Odorizzi or Wheeler. Need a TOR arm in the worst way. Visiting the trade market could also be an option, Joe Musgrove would be a huge boost if SD ponies up on prospects going back to PIT.

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    • Deleted Userrrrr

      6 years ago

      Urias isn’t a platoon bat. Scioscia retired. Myers’ price tag would have to be $10-15m less per year.

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    • wordonthestreet

      6 years ago

      Sounds good Bleacherbum

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    • padreforlife

      6 years ago

      Yea let’s push hard so Padres will pay 100 mil plus to 4 players 2020 after signing Cole that’s recipe for success for small market team

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      Bleacher Bum, Kikuchi still has value. Myers has no value. Seattle will never do your trade proposal.

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  16. JoeBrady

    6 years ago

    Sundry-

    1-Forget about trading Hosmer and/or Myers, Both are bad signings, but I think both are better than they showed last year.

    2-I wouldn’t trade Yates. You made a statement signing with Machado. You managed an increase in attendance of 228,000. If you trade Yates, that increase disappears. I would double down at this point and hope for another 200k increase.

    3-Depending on price, I would trade for Betts (I’m a RS fan). You start with Renfroe, since the OF would be Myers, Margot & Betts. Add in Naylor. He can’t play the OF, and you already have Hosmer. The RS could use both Renfroe & Naylor, so that part is a fit.

    The $1M question is what else would SD need to throw in? I kind of think Patino should be enough, but that would be a tough sell to the fans. Adding Morejon would have to put that over the top, imo. Too much, actually, but Preller has made worse trades, and is desperate.

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    • Deleted Userrrrr

      6 years ago

      Why would the Padres trade for a one-year rental who they would have zero chance of keeping beyond 2020?

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      • JoeBrady

        6 years ago

        Why would anyone trade for a one-year contract? but it happens all the time. The Padres were much, much better than their record indicates. They were still .500 at the ASB. And IMHO, all their players could improve. I think they are one good player away from a 90-win season.

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        • Deleted Userrrrr

          6 years ago

          If you trade for Mookie Betts you basically have to win a championship in 2020 for it to be worth it, regardless of how the guys you gave up to get him do.

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        • JoeBrady

          6 years ago

          Only one team will a WSC next year. But that doesn’t mean another 10-15 teams won’t go for it. The LAD traded for Machado. StL traded for Goldschmidt. There are plenty of teams that trade for one-year contracts.

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        • Deleted Userrrrr

          6 years ago

          Yes and how do those trades look for those teams now?

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        • JoeBrady

          6 years ago

          LA went to the WS, and the prospects they traded haven’t amounted to much yet.

          StL is at 1-1 in the ALDS.

          So LA definitely made out okay. And so far, StL isn’t crying either.

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        • Deleted Userrrrr

          6 years ago

          Hindsight 20/20 the Dodgers don’t trade for Manny Machado. They failed to win the WA with him. They could have failed to win the WA without him.

          Then Luke Weaver and Carson Kelly broke out with the Diamondbacks this year and STL didn’t extend Goldschmidt without basically paying him the market rate.

          Betts isn’t signing any extension so if the Padres trade for Betts and don’t win a WS in 2020 then they gave up top prospects for basically nothing.

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        • Deleted Userrrrr

          6 years ago

          Both WA’s are supposed to be WS

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        • padreforlife

          6 years ago

          Red Sox aren’t trading a Mookie Betts former MVP get real

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        • padreforlife

          6 years ago

          Now it’s “Padres were .500 at All Star break” omg wtf does that mean

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  17. RyanD

    6 years ago

    I couldn’t disagree more with whoever is writing this. Padres ARE in win now mode. Needs……..
    Bona fide Top end starter while simultaneously bringing up Gore to their rotation makes them an upper echelon rotation. Keep Yates that’s utter insanity to get rid of your closer if you expect to be a playoff team next year.
    Need a left handed outfield bat.
    Middle market? They already said they will not do that with the Kinslers of the world because the flat out said “I wouldn’t worry about the Kinsler types” which tells me he’s gone and won’t entertain anyone like him or mediocre. Really want to know who wrote this piece.

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    • lowtalker1

      6 years ago

      Face value. You can get it from the source of twitter.
      Some of the things they are writing is similar to east fraud times… bona fide c**p

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  18. towinagain

    6 years ago

    Hosmer/Yates and prospects to Sox for Price and Betts.

    Ok yes this sounds extreme but, two things here 1) Sox payroll issues 2) rebuilding Sox farm

    Padres take on payroll with Price yet send back Hosmer to even it out a tad more. Sox get a first baseman in his prime accustomed to the AL.

    Padres acquire a much needed outfield piece.

    The Sox depending on how much payroll the Pads take on get the pick of the litter so to speak on an incredibly deep Padres system.

    Trade works for both organizations.

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    • lowtalker1

      6 years ago

      No

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    • GaryWarriorsRedSoxx

      6 years ago

      The Hosmer/ price trade-off doesn’t work out. Pitching is expensive and normally you think price was way over paid for his contributions… but in this day and age you can plug in a cheap guy at first to hit 15 home runs .260 batting average. It’s tough to find a plug-in starter with an era under five. Unless you get lucky with a Brett Anderson at 1.5 or some of the Padres cheap guys of recent years, starting pitching will cost you.

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      • JoeBrady

        6 years ago

        That’s part of the problem, maybe all of the problem. Hosmer is a difficult guy to trade, if only on length. I’d rather have Moreland for one year, for $5M, than Hosmer.

        OTOH, Price’s issue is that he is overpaid. But he is still plenty good. His K/W was still a good 4.00. His LOB% was slightly low, his BABIP was slightly high, and his HR/FB was slightly high. Price can easily be the 2018 version again, which is plenty valuable. Hosmer really has nothing to revert to. I don’t think he is horrible, but players like him are available all the time.

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        • padreforlife

          6 years ago

          Price owed 96 mil seriously Padre fans you’re embarrassing yourself

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    • JoeBrady

      6 years ago

      Sox get a first baseman in his prime accustomed to the AL.
      ————————————————————–
      Hosmer is not in his prime. Except for his walk year, he’s been pretty awful, and only 1.1 cumulative WAR in his past two years. I’ve seen worse gambles than taking him at age 30-35. But the most he is worth is maybe $30M/6, so he’d cost the RS excess value of . Price still has talent, but a material injury risk. Still, in his last two years, he still accumulated 6.2 WAR. His you want to project maybe 9 WAR over the next 3 years, for $96M, I’d guess his excess value is maybe ?

      That makes it Betts + $32M for Yates ++. We’d need something pretty good to make that work. Still, I’d guess that if SD threw in Naylor & Renfroe, than maybe Patino & Morejon, it might be close.

      Part of the problem is that the RS have decent minor league 1B prospects, though I suppose one could be flipped to make it easier.

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      • padreforlife

        6 years ago

        Machado so impressive in WS hitting .177

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    • Deleted Userrrrr

      6 years ago

      Rather keep our prospects and let the Sox keep Betts and lose him for nothing in a year.

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      • JoeBrady

        6 years ago

        Someone will trade for him. SD matches up well, so that would be my preference. But the RS will definitely get good value should they decide to trade him.

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        • Deleted Userrrrr

          6 years ago

          And it will be to someone who is a realistic World Series contender.

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    • wordonthestreet

      6 years ago

      Towinagain wrong on all counts.

      First what “prospects” are Padres giving up? That makes a huge difference. You say the Sox get the “pick if the liter” no chance period. You think the Padres are tossing in Gore? Too funny!

      Hosmer stinks. Period. He is not good. So being in his prime, if he even is, makes it worse! If he stinks in his prime just think how awful he will be shortly for the rest of that terrible contract

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  19. lowtalker1

    6 years ago

    First need should be the right manager who has had great success in the playoffs

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  20. tannedt

    6 years ago

    1) Foolish to trade Yates. He’s one of the best players on the team, extend him. Since the mandate is to win now, and it is, you’ll need Yates. And he’s not returning a proven ML player, certainly not a 3 WAR OF. Teams don’t trade good everyday players for relievers.
    2) Hosmer has a full no-trade clause through 2020. Wish people would educate themselves before they spout off. To trade him might not be possible, and even if he did waive his NTC it will be painful as hell to move him. The answer here is to platoon him. His numbers against RHP are tolerable, it’s his performance against LHP that is vomit-inducing.
    3) Fowler is an idiot. If he knew anything at all about baseball he wouldn’t have okayed the Myers extension or the Hosmer signing. Now he’s angry because the team put together by his GM, and with his explicit approval sucks. His comments about Myers if anything make it harder to trade him. Good job Foul-ball, ever think that you are part of the problem?
    4) These crap MLers have no trade value, so stop dreaming about trading Margot or Renfroe and getting a starting pitcher, or some nonsense. They can be moved, but the return is not going be much. Both Margot and Renfroe are platoon players, as they cannot hit RHP.
    5) The team is well over the 40 man roster limit, so 8 players have to be moved or exposed to waivers almost immediately. The solution is to trade these guys with limited value for prospects. I know it doesn’t help the club win now, but it’s what’s possible. And please, no team is going to take 3 or 4 crap players for a stud pitcher of OF, so stop with that.

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    • Deleted Userrrrr

      6 years ago

      1. Hosmer will approve a trade if one is made. The bigger issue is his trade value, or lack thereof.
      2. If they can’t trade Margot or Renfroe for something worthwhile, they will just keep them. Keeping them isn’t exactly a soft-option.

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      • JoeBrady

        6 years ago

        I think Renfroe would be easy to trade. At the right price, I’d love to see him in Fenway. Same with Margot to a lesser extent.

        Margot has a career 2.8bWAR/650 PAs. And he only just turned 25. With three of control left, he could easily develop into a pretty decent player.

        Renfroe had a good season in 2018, and was having a great season in 2019 before injuries caught up to him.

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        • Deleted Userrrrr

          6 years ago

          tannedt was saying that no one will give up anything good for them. I was saying if that’s the case then the Padres are better off just keeping them.

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        • JoeBrady

          6 years ago

          I agree completely. I think Margot would be a good target for a young, developing team with low payroll.

          I think Renfroe would be a good target for almost anyone. My interest would be buying low after last year’s second half. And relying on Preller’s desperation to win.

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      • padreforlife

        6 years ago

        There is no trade for overpaid weak fielder can’t hit lefties Hosmer move on

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    • padreforlife

      6 years ago

      Bingo

      Reply
  21. padreforlife

    6 years ago

    Good target Margot is proven nothing

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