We’re continuing with our “Three Needs” series, in which we take a look at the chief issues to be addressed for clubs that fell out of contention. The Orioles were about as bad as expected last year, but have plenty of possibilities in their second season under GM Mike Elias.
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1. Go Wild On Pitching
The Orioles rotation was simply brutal in 2019, allowing more than two home runs per nine innings on average. John Means was quite effective but outperformed his peripherals by a wide margin. Dylan Bundy showed enough to keep hoping he’ll fully realize his talent. Otherwise … mid-season acquisition Asher Wojciechowski led the way with a 4.96 ERA in 16 starts. There were times where the organization had to scramble to find arms.
The Baltimore org should aim for better in 2020. To be fair, the O’s were hoping for much more from Alex Cobb and Nate Karns. And late-spring signee Dan Straily was worse than should have been expected. But there’s an argument to be made that the club should have been more proactive from the outset — and, more importantly, that it ought to be going forward. Given the state of the returning staff, which could include Cobb if he’s able to work back to health, there’s little choice but to add.
Notably, payroll is continuing to dive. There’s only so far to go while Cobb and Chris Davis are still on the books, but the O’s will start with just over $35MM in obligations before sorting out their arbitration situation. It’d obviously be foolish for the team to go splashing cash on veteran free agents, and attracting the most appealing buy-low candidates will be tough given the difficulties of pitching against AL East sluggers in Camden Yards. But there should be opportunities to acquire interesting pitchers via trade or signing, and the Orioles shouldn’t hesitate to commit a bit of cash to acquire some baseline competence and — perhaps — marketable trade assets. And the team should be exceptionally active in grabbing interesting arms from the waiver wire and minor-league free agent market.
2. Market The Middle Infielders
Jonathan Villar and Hanser Alberto both turned in high-quality efforts in 2019. The former checked in at about four wins above replacement thanks to otherworldly baserunning, above-average hitting, and solid-enough glovework at shortstop. He earned nearly $5MM last year and will get a raise, so he isn’t cheap, but Villar is a fascinating utility rental piece for a contender. As for Alberto, he glowed with the glove at second and made so much contact (9.1% strikeout rate, .305 batting average) that you can almost look past his awful 2.9% walk rate. With loads of cheap control (but no options) remaining, Alberto occupies a different but also useful space in the roster landscape.
To be sure, neither of these players is likely to draw a huge return. But it’d be rewarding to get something back for them after already enjoying their strong work in an otherwise largely miserable season. Cashing in now makes sense as well because it would clear the deck to take yet more risks on other middle infielders. The chief asset for a rebuilding team is its roster flexibility. Chasing upside makes sense; at the very least, the team can look for the next Villar or Alberto.
3. Extend Or Trade Trey Mancini
You hate to think about moving a homegrown star at all, but the Orioles need to be careful not to get stuck in the middle on Mancini. He’ll qualify for arbitration for the first time, with three more seasons of control before free agency. On the heels of a strong bounceback campaign (.291/.364/.535, 35 home runs), Mancini is peaking in value.
There have been prior rumblings of a possible extension. That is a strategy worth pursuing. Mancini is already 27, so he’s not exceedingly youthful. But the Baltimore organization will rightly want to keep at least one gate draw on the roster and can still hope that Mancini will be an important part of the club’s next contending outfit.
That said, the price really has to be right to do an extension. The Padres’ experience with Wil Myers provides something of a cautionary tale. If the O’s can’t strike a real bargain, they’re probably better off dangling Mancini to some of the many organizations that would love to install him as a centerpiece for the next three campaigns.
bowserhound
The O’s have about 15 needs.
Horace
No, just three…
Players
Owners
Front Office
hammer_time24
The front office is doing about as well as could be expected, based on what they were given to work with. This team was never going to turn things around in a year or two. It will take time to see results, but I’m largely optimistic about what I’ve seen from Elias and co. so far.
Horace
Yeah, I was going for a quick, cheap laugh.
Elias and Sig were nice hires. Don’t know what else they have been able to put in place to support them.
They really do need to show significant improvement next year though. There is a ton of young talent on all the other teams in the East.
jbigz12
That’s foolish to suggest they need to show a ton of improvement. The FO has only had 1 season here. You can’t draft and develop guys in a year. This isn’t the NBA. It’s going to take time. Anyone thinking it isn’t is going to be in for a huge letdown.
Horace
Not foolish. They are so far behind every other team. Their dilemma is exacerbated by being in a division where two of the teams traditionally have the highest payrolls combined with cutting edge analytics staffs.
The Rays are always overachievers and at the forefront of mining inefficiencies.
Jays have 3/4 budding superstars.
How long do you think most O’s fans will wait?
They can show improvement in a lot of ways, international draft, development, finding undervalued assets, etc.
jbigz12
All those things take time to see. The minor league development has already started. Casual fans don’t see that. We could sign some undervalued guys but realistically that probably would have a negative impact in the short term on the casual fan. Considering any undervalued signing we’d make would just become a prime trade asset at this point.
Patience is really the only thing O’s fans should have. Pretty hard to cater to the casual fan during a rebuild anyway.
niched
O’s have a top 10 minor league system and they somehow weren’t the worst team in baseball in 2019. They should be a lot better than people think in a couple years.
DolphLundgren
Yeah, FO is completely different than the prior regime. For real, what else do you want the team to do? I hate that people keep that as a sticking point.
miltpappas
You left out “More People Showing Up” and “Fix Their Deteriorating City”
niched
People show up just fine for the Ravens. I guess it’s because they win.
oriole
Release Chris Davis should have been first on the list. If you release Davis and trade Mancini that will free up DH/1B for Nunez and Mountcastle and also free up some room in the OF for some of the up and coming players.
TheGreatBaseballMind
Very good idea. Agreed!
DolphLundgren
The Davis situation is so hard for fans to grasp correctly. There are so many moving parts, but it’s easy to cry “release him!” when you have no actual stake in things. Trading Mancini is also not likely to bring back a haul. Lots of 1B/DH guys out there who swing a hotter stick than he does. Nunez is league average when looking at OPS+ and is a liability in the field. Mountcastle is the same, but with zero MLB exp.
phillies012tg
I mean I think if you look at 1B/Dh guys he’s one of the more youthful options who may be worth extending if acquired. Plus hitting .291 with 35 home runs isn’t anything to scoff at. I think he’s one of the best options out there when considering his position/skill set. Maybe you don’t get a haul but you will get something in return
DolphLundgren
What team needs one of them? Very few with players to trade that the O’s could use.
niched
Maybe the Rays or Red Sox, but they play in the same division.
jbigz12
There isn’t much to grasp here. Davis hits worse than a backup catcher and has done it for multiple seasons. The money is spent; don’t waste the roster spot on an inferior player any longer. I didn’t have a huge problem with him being on the roster this year. I didn’t like it; but I don’t feel he blocked anyone because Mountcastle still needed time in the minors. He probably still does to work on defense though it’s probably always going to be a huge negative for him.
We do have a 26 man roster next year so that probably makes him easier to carry but there’s no reason to do so.
DolphLundgren
Sure there’s a lot to grasp with Davis. Again, it’s easy to say that the money is a sunk cost. Again, it’s easy to say that when it’s not your money. Mountcastle is the closest to ready, but he needs more time in AAA. The ball inflated numbers in AAA this year. Elias has said time and time again that Davis is gonna be here. That decision is probably made above his head but he’s gotta roll with it. He’s untraceable. Releasing him isn’t the right choice either. But heck, I’m not part of the FO either, so who the heck knows. Long live the Elias regime.
jbigz12
Releasing Davis is the right choice. Honestly man if we are going to keep dead weight on the roster it shouldn’t be for a soon to be 34 year old 1B. The upside we’d receive for him rebounding is so limited at this point it’s not worth burning the roster spot. If you want to waste a roster spot, draft another rule 5 guy and at least have some future upside there.
What the hell is a 34 year old Chris Davis going to bring? Guy has been done for awhile. Best case scenario Davis could have some highly unlikely renaissance like a Hunter Pence. Even at that unbelievable point what do you have? An old Renato Nunez on a horrible contract? I don’t think it’s Elias making the call on that either. Or if he truly is; Davis shouldn’t make it past rule 5 cuts.
jeffk-2
Davis is average in the field and below average in the batters box. You have a capable first basemen in Mancini and a few free agent that hit above the Mendoza line.
They are not trading Villar, Mancini or Alberto because you will not get anything for them. They are the best players on the team even if they do not fit into rebuilding.
jbigz12
Theyll happily clear Villar’s 10 million dollar salary for a small prospect. I wouldn’t blame them either. I do agree that whatever we get is going to be a marginal prospect at best though. But that really doesn’t matter; Villar is a FA next year and we certainly won’t be competitive.
oriole
They’ll trade anyone who isn’t part of the future for anything. Cashner was literally given away. I see a similar fate for Villar and maybe even Mancini. Maybe not for as little as Cashner got back but I doubt a lack of return will dissuade Elias from clearing out expensive veterans.
jbigz12
Cashner had very little value. I prefer taking a shot on two 17 year old lottery tickets versus getting a low ceiling 26 year old “prospect” like a Dwight Smith or something. You saw how bad Cash was in Boston; it was clear he was pitching over his head here as well.
southbeachbully
@Jeff Kisamore
I’m shocked you don’t feel you can get a decent return (a top 75 to 125) prospect for either of Mancini and Villar. Hard to imagine a guy with a .899 OPS and 3-4 years of control can’t net a solid top 100 guy. The Indians and White Sox could use an upgrade. And the Marlins might be interested too seeing as how they hit an mlb low 146 homers.
jeffk-2
They tried at the deadline. No takers. If they wanted to trade them, they would have been gone at the deadline.
Mancini is all we really have that draws fans to the seats. He has become a fan favorite. Not that many people are coming.
oriole
Villar and Mancini also have very little value and as a local O’s fan…we go to games for Camden Yards and baseball in general…definitely not for Mancini. Sure he’s a good guy and homegrown and hits well, but no one is going to make their decision to go the park on any given night for Trey Mancini.
jeffk-2
I would keep Villar instead of trading him for a marginal prospect.
The other option is to get a decent prospect and kick in some cash which would be doable.
stan lee the manly
I don’t think MLB experience (or lack thereof) should ever be a detriment to going with a minor leaguer for a team this far in a rebuild. The sooner you bring them up and get them adjusted to the MLB, the sooner you can market and trade them
TheGreatBaseballMind
I and many others grasp it correctly. The only reason you keep Davis is because you think he will turn it around. He won’t. Orioles need to release him.
mikevm3
“veteran free agent veterans”
jbigz12
That’s the problem with Villar. You said it in your post “fascinating utility rental piece” He’s not Marwin Gonzalez. He was an abysmal 3B years back and hasn’t played the outfield in multiple seasons. Even then he only has limited work there. He’s going to making somewhere around 9-10 MM. And for a “utility piece” he’s really only a 2B/SS. If a contender doesn’t see him as a viable starter at one or both of those positions on a regular basis it’s going to be hard to get much of anything for him.
twinsfan368
How bout sign cole
keysox
Are you joking
iverbure
Why is every fans solution to fixing a team, is to sign the most expensive free agent who will inevitably be ineffective by the time the team is good? Yet another victim duped by Scott Boras very sad.
jbigz12
What’s more sad is that you spent all that time to go on a tangent. On a clear joke that was 4 words long.
CrewBrew
that joke went miles and miles over your head bud.
jeffk-2
98/100 times free agent signing are a bust.
niched
I’d agree with you if you were talking about position players only, but recently the top free agent starting pitchers generally have gone on to perform well — thinking mainly of Scherzer, Price, Greinke and Greinke. Think I left out a couple too.
niched
Scherzer, Price, Greinke and Sabathia I meant.
greatgame 2
O’s will be in last place again next year. Cobb was a horrible signing and Means will most certainly regress
jbigz12
The Orioles were always going to be projected to be in last next season. Should come as no surprise to anyone.Thats how a ground up rebuild works. Means came out of nowhere to begin with. If he’s even a #4 starter moving forward that’s nothing but a nice find from a guy who never cracked our top 30 prospect list.
yankeemanuno23
O’s are like the Redskins – stuck in a quagmire b/c of the worst ownership and who have no roadmap to get back into contention, while fan base dwindles and are like Charlie Brown w Lucy pulling away the football- never learn, just keep on.
DolphLundgren
John and Lou are running the show now, shut up about ownership being bad, Peter is out of it and has been. Elias has provided the roadmap. Nice try, bucko.
jbigz12
Just a bunch of ignorant comments from people with no clue about what’s going on within the organization. This is the most exciting rebuilding time we’ve had in at least 2 decades. The 2012 and on team was largely out of trades and not prospect development. (Which is just fine; doesn’t matter how you get a good team on the field) Our next competitive team figures to have an actual pipeline of homegrown talent on it. A pipeline that is finally not at a competitive disadvantage for not playing on the IFA market.
niched
O’s aren’t nearly as bad as the Redskins at least since the Showalter era.
JoeBrady
Don’t forget Duquette. Out of his 100 or so moves the past 7 years, about 98% turned out badly.
niched
BS. Dan Duquette is the reason the Red Sox acquired Pedro Martinez and the reason the O’s acquired Wei Yin Chen and Miguel Gonzalez.
JoeBrady
Martinez and the reason the O’s acquired Wei Yin Chen and Miguel Gonzalez.
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Like I said, 98% of his moved turned out badly. That allows for Chen & Gonzalez.
Traded away Arrieta, Strop, & Hader
Waited about 1.5 years too long to trade away Machado, then gave him up for a very small return.
His big-name FA signings were Ubaldo (0.5 cumulative WAR) for ~ $59M, Cobb for $57N and 0.5 cumulative WAR
His draft picks were Gausman (10.4 WAR for a 1-4 pick), Hader with a 6.6 WAR, but for someone else., Mancini with a 5.9, Means with a 4.5. Some of the later drafts might still produce players, but that’s really thin.
Had he won despite so many, many bad moves, okay. But he inherited a team that won 93 games in 2012, with a lot of young talent, and turned into a 47-win team in just 6 short years.
niched
Arrietta had to go. Anyone running a team competing for the playoffs would have traded him. The way he improved in Chicago is nearly unprecedented for a pitcher that already had that much experience. I would agree that the O’s should have gotten a better return for Arrietta, but again the O’s were trying to make the playoffs at the time.
Duquette also had his hands tied by the worst owner and worst run organization in baseball. Trading Hader was bad I agree, but Strop is irrelevant. The O’s did not miss him at all.
In short perhaps the biggest problem with the Orioles all these years was their tendency to trade away young starters rather than trade for them. Most of the rest were organizational. But none of this is really on Duquette. It was on the constantly gotta win now mentality of their owner Angelos. Finally the Orioles are doing what should have been done even before the Duquette era — an organizational restructuring in addition to a rebuild.
niched
Additionally you can’t blame Duquette for the Ubaldo and Cobb signings. Angelos won’t go after the big. And free agent pitchers, so the GM is left to take whoever is left. And I believe Cobb was more Brady Anderson than Duquette. My point is Duquette we never really allowed to run the team. Between Angelos, Brady Anderson and Showalter, Duquette run never really allowed to run the show his way.
Also the draft picks you point out don’t look that bad to me when you consider many of his picks are still in the minors. If anything the O’s improved their drafting considering they were a winning team under Duquette. Andy Macphail and the guys before him had it a lot easier when they always had high draft picks. And they were still not that great.
batty
Mancini’s splits are pretty much equal, so teams inquiring about him shouldn’t worry too much about a Camden Yards affect on his numbers. While he’s not a particularly great defender in the OF or at 1st base, he’s probably better suited at 1st base in the long run. He won’t bring back a King’s ransom, but probably a good decent return from the right team.
As with many trade candidates and free agents, caution has to be taken for the simple fact that Manfred and MLB might change the baseball, again, and go in the exaggerated opposite direction making power less of a factor in the game. If that were to happen, Mancini might be closer to a 15 homer guy rather than a 30+ home run hitter. Since that has been a large portion of his value, an overpay for his services could easily happen.
spinach
Pointing out that Mancini just had a bounceback season and is at peak value and saying you should extend if not trade him is… not the smartest thing. He has three years of control left. Plenty of time for him to have a prolonged slump… hmm maybe a better time to sign him rather than at his peak?
jbigz12
A lot easier to extend a guy who has barely made a million bucks over his career to an extension rather than waiting til that guy starts receiving arbitration checks. I can hear an argument for both sides of the coin on that one.
reflect
Props for taking “They need an entire MLB team.” and somehow expanding it into 9 paragraphs.
CrewBrew
Should have had Jeff Todd write my essays in college to fit the page requirements.
GothamGuy
realistically what would the Orioles want in return from the Mets for Mancini ?
Metsfan9
Maybe Szapucki and a rookie league prospect
niched
Mets will need to give up at least one top 10 prospect for Mancini — maybe two. Otherwise the O’s have no incentive to trade him.
Metsfan9
Mancini is just a slightly above average player he’s not getting more than 1 top 10 prospect
niched
Well, like I said, at least one top 10 prospect. If he was only slightly above average then the Mets wouldn’t want him anyway.
riffraff
I wouldn’t mind Villar on the cubs next year – maybe Almora and Descalso ( with cubs paying all of his salary) gets it done?
Pops
I agree – Villar would be a really good fit on the Cubs. Elias is intent on building a pipeline of minor league talent…so the return should be something like 3 young A-level or Dominical league prospects.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Orioles need everything and for the Angelos family to sell the team which they never will
niched
I would have agreed with you but with Peter Angelos no longer running things I think the O’s are in a decent situation. At least Arte Moreno doesn’t own the team.
its_happening
Time to cut bait with Davis and begin the Ryan Mountcastle era at first base.
Wait out the Didi sweepstakes and offer Villar to the team that loses out on Gregorius.
Find a trade partner for Mancini. Now is the time. Give Hays, Santander and Mullins a shot for a full season in the OF.
Another year of hard times, maybe two. Gives them time to see who in their farm will step up. Baltimore has stockpiled arms and middle infielders.
DolphLundgren
Mullins? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
its_happening
For a lost season in 2020. Yes. O’s have nothing to lose. If Dwight Smith or someone else beats him for a spot in Spring Training, so be it. This is what a rebuild looks like, if you’ve paid any attention since Rocky 4.
DolphLundgren
Hays played a better CF. Wilkerson played a better CF. Even Santander did. Mullins can stay buried in AA ball for all I care. Smith can’t play CF, so he’s stuck in left if he makes the team. Santander is more of a RF. Mullins had his shot.
oriole
Dwight Smith Jr will hopefully be non tendered
its_happening
Wilkerson is not part of the future. He can compete for a spot.
Your O’s have another year of 100 plus losses. Let Mullins suck. It only helps your draft position. If he plays well it’s a win for the organization. Your O’s have nobody else at the moment unless they do not deal Mancini. The idea is to trade Mancini and let some young guys play for a year, and help draft position a-la Houston 2011-13.
Again, moot point if he craps the bed in spring. Writing off a 24-year old already with nothing to lose in 2020 is not smart.
jbigz12
DJ stewart gets the first look over Mullins or Wilkerson. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Smith/Stewart platoon either until Diaz is ready. They’re going to want Hays in CF unless he proves he cannot. Mullins is at best a fourth outfielder at this point. And if you’re current on org guys he might not even be the favorite for that for very long considering Ryan McKenna has a very similar skill set.
its_happening
That’s fine. Looking at ages, minors depth, current players projected as future pieces come 2021/2022, that’s where Mullins came into play. After watching Hays live in Toronto there is no doubt he should be the CF. That’s a stone cold lock for 2020. Right now Baltimore has to play the waiting game and see what they have with their current crop.
And hope Alex Cobb has a really hot first half and deal him. Tall order but there’s always hope.
Rbase
Here’s a thing I thought while reading the Padres three needs. The Padres are as good as in win-now mode but have some dead money that is really hindering them. I’m talking about Hosmer and more in particular Will Myers, who’ll earn $22.5 million for the next 3 seasons. The Orioles have some payroll space and need quality prospects to get back to a competitive leve.. So why not do what the Mariners did this seasons and take on some payroll to get prospects. Something along the lines of:
Myers + Patino + Abrams (no. 3+4 prospects according to mlb.com) + $5 million for 3 years to the Orioles
Mychal Givens to the Padres
(I’m not a fan of either team so the prospect value may be too high. It’s more about the premise of the trade than the actual players involved (except myers) )
thestripedtaco
I think add in another 5-15 org prospect and the orioles might consider it. Givens 2019 ERA is rough but his peripherals and track record have a lot of value
jbigz12
The Padres aren’t doing that my man. Abrams and Patino have an excessive value of the 60 million owed to Myers. You’re also throwing in 15 million bucks to cover Myers’ salary. That’s essentially 2 top 50 prospects for Givens and the 45 million bucks of dead money. That’s not going to happen
I don’t mind the premise of dealing for bad cash + prospects. I do find it highly unlikely with the MASN suit that we will be doing that. Even if we did that’s far too much from SDP’s side. If we got 1 of those two for that, that’d be fantastic. I don’t think the Pads are even that desperate to move salary though.
Rbase
That’s one person saying a prospect should be added and one that the prospect value is too much 🙂
The reason I chose these prospects is that they are still a few years away. So while they are considered very good prospects, there’s not as much security as there was with, say, Vladdy before this year. And one is a shortstop prospect who’s blocked by Tatis and Machado, the other is an arm of which the padres have many.
I disagree with the notion that the Padres are not that desperate to move salary. Remember that they aren’t overpaying a starting player (… Hosmer). They are overpaying someone who doesn’t have a spot on their team. Keeping him basically means they are out on any free agent that will make a significant amount of money on a long deal (Cole, for example). And they really want to be ‘in’ right now
astros_fan_84
I think they should trade for bad contracts and demand appropriate prospects. They could take on $200M in dead money and a haul of prospects and use that to restock the farm.
For example: trade Mancini for prospects. Then get Wil Myers and prospects for a bag of balls. If Myers plays well, ship him and pay down the contract. That’s a lot of prospects for not much.
I wondering if a team will use the bad contracts approach for a rebuild. The Mariners are kind of doing it.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I’m kinda getting sick of this attitude about a lot of solid players, where baseball has so much money available to be paid to its talent, yet unless you’re a generational star or a role player with clearly defined and limited skill sets, your market is unclear to the point of some folks assuming you’ll make $25M AAV on a FA deal and some folks arguing a player’s entire career is replacement level quality and can be replaced easily/their skillset isn’t valuable.
I saw it with Paul Goldschmidt, where his initial extension with the D’backs was viewed as a team friendly under pay and now I’ve read that a lot of folks wonder if his Cardinals deal turns into an albatross.
Mancini feels like he’s in the same camp: He’s great, he’s their best player, he’s young and in his prime- he’s peaking, he’s having career seasons back to back, no reason to commit any money to him, flip him to another team for as many prospects as you can because he’s that valuable but not enough to retain him.
Baltimore needs good baseball players and they need them to stick around. I think Mancini could be a super star with better line up protection. I also don’t see why every potential super star on a bad team needs to be shipped to a great team.
I think Baltimore should commit to Mancini the way they did to Chris Davis, even if that was a massive overpay and one of the worst albatross contracts ever.
Seems like Mancini is a much better bet to field, hit for average and provide consistent pop, as opposed to signing a guy after career years knowing you can’t expect that performance all the time going forward, yet paying him for that performance.
And if that’s true, Mancini would be best off going year to year through arbitration and then testing the open market.
But if they could sign him now, I think a 6 year/$105M deal could get it done. ($13, $15, $17, $19, $20, $21)
Ed "The Mythical One"
A couple of other problems with Trey:
He’s already 27. By the time this team gets into contention again he’s going to be on the wrong side of 30 with a huge contract number.
He’s also naturally a 1B. His value has been hurt because he’s been forced to play RF/LF which he’s not really all that good at. Surprise, surprise. He’s also been a DH a lot simply because we “have” to play Chris Davis.
If the Orioles are not ready to make a wholesale commitment to Trey and cut Davis to make room for him to play his natural position then they should trade Mancini.
jints1
The pitching was atrocious last year. Not just starters but also relievers. What was a major issue was their inconsistency. Rarely did the pitchers have two good outings in a row.
niched
Fortunately the O’s have a good number of pretty highly rated pitchers in the minors. Those that can’t make it as starters will end up in he pen. It’s already happening with the likes of Hunter Harvey.
bobtillman
Villar puts the O’s in God’s Little Acre; you know, the rock and the hard place. Keep him, and you’re overpaying (10M?) a very mediocre talent; trade him, and unless the other GM never watches the games and is so saber-silly he belongs in a mental institution, you’ll get very little back; non-tender him, and the fans scream you’re cheap. It’s not a fun place to be.
Mancini? I dunno….he’s their best player, a fan favorite, a blue collar type that every fan likes. He’s got, what, about 4M coming this year? (I just realized I’m talking like Jim Palmer). I’d be inclined to keep him, see if he survives the switch to a real baseball (which everybody seems to think is inevitable), then maybe look to move him later.
steelerbravenation
Braves got a lot of young arms what would it take to get Mancini & Givens ???
niched
If the Braves are willing to give up good young arms for Mancini and Givens then the O’s are sure to listen
lopodan
Villar is a talented player who has only one year before full free agency. He will get a very limited return.. In addition, he can play both infield positions and worked well with an AA SS and Alberto who are works in progress defensively. There are no middle infielders in the Os high minors to replace Villar. As bad as the pitching was, it is frightening to imagine giving ss/2b to a discard.. Keep him for one more year..
Why would the Orioles want Will Myers. Their outfield is crowded now . They need talented pitching arms and so does everyone else. Why would the Mets need Mancini with the current guy hitting 50 HRs?
I predict very little trading going on this winter. Teams will keep their own arms and nibble at the edges of other teams; rejects.
Rbase
The Orioles do not want Will Myers. No one does with his current contract. But it is an opportunity to trade payroll for prospects. And if Myers can turn it around (not moving him around the entire field and getting out of Petco should help) he might bring back some decent guy too. It’s the best way of getting prospects for money; the Mariners blueprint from this year.
GarryHarris
Trade Alex Cobb to a playoff contender this off season. He can’t pitch in BAL but may be better elsewhere.
TrumpCard
Get rid of the Angelos family first. Than the O’s can start rebuilding.
Jvall77
when’s part two, three an four? I mean the O’s need alot more then 3 things lol. unless one of those things is a new pitching staff, number two is about 7 good fielder’s and number 3 is a whole new coaching staff.
JoeBrady
Trade Givens, Villar & Mancini. They won’t return much, but see if you can find a team looking to trade comp picks, and trades with international bonus money thrown in.
Trade Bundy if he gets off to a good start.
Cut Davis, and hope someone picks him up for minimum salary. I don’t think you’ll do too much better.
jbigz12
We don’t need to giveaway Givens and Mancini. They have years of control. I’d keep Givens in case he rebounds and rebuilds more value. The only guy I’d deal for whatever we can get is Villar
JoeBrady
In no case do you give guys away. But I’d never keep any of them, unless I thought there was a good case for a comeback, like with Bundy. But the Orioles job here is to build on Duquette’s success with qualifying for the highest possible draft choice
Miller1869
It don’t matter what we do . Dig up Babe Ruth as a rookie .Soon as he gets good we will have to let him go to free agency. There’s no way to sustain a good ball club for a small market team. You might get lucky for a year maybe 2 but as soon as your players get good they will go play for the Yankees Redsox Dodgers etc.
JoeBrady
That’s why small market teams have to alternate between tanking and rebuilding. And another reason why Duquette was remiss in not trading EVERYONE after 2017. They were unlikely to be .500, and with Machado leaving, they were going to rebuild after 2018 no matter what happened.
Machado
Jones
Gausman
Bundy
Brach, Givens, O’Day, Britton
My guess is that Machado easily gets you a top-100 and a top-50 pick with a full year left, Bundy, with four years left, maybe another top-50 (at that time), and 6 guys could’ve gotten you fringy top-100-200 guys..
I excoriated TO for not trading Donaldson at peak value, but as bad as the O’s were, they actually had more tradeable players.
Ed "The Mythical One"
Angelos actually puts out money when he thinks his team is close. When they had those winning seasons their payroll was up over $150 million and I think it was right around $170 million in the final season before the big purge.
It will be some time before they are ready to spend that kind of big money again. Peter is supposedly not in great health and has stepped away from making big decisions for his club. His last big decision: Signing Chris Davis when his GM didn’t want to. He had been known for his meddling before in player deals whether spending money on free agents or nixing trade deals in the 11th hour and simply trampling over his GM and not allowing them to do their jobs.
It is supposed to be different now with Elias and the brothers now taking over in a sense for Peter. Elias is supposed to have full autonomy but I will believe that when I see Chris Davis cut. There is no legitimate reason to keep him on the roster next season. Chris Davis has done nothing to prove he belongs on a major league roster. It’d be one thing if we didn’t have two other players capable of playing his position and giving more production in Trey Mancini and Renato Nunez. The fresh from AA SS Richie Martin; not known for his hitting, almost outhit Chris Davis in every slash line measurement.
angt222
An extension for Mancini would be fine at the right price otherwise cash in on him for future pieces. And yeah they need Pitching bad so sign a bunch of guys to minor league deals and see if a diamond in the rough emerges.