Kris Bryant’s longstanding service time saga could be nearing its conclusion. MLB will address Bryant’s 2015 grievance at some point this week, reports David Kaplan of NBC Sports (via Twitter).
Bryant’s grievance concerns the date of his MLB call-up: April 17, 2015, one day after the date at which he would have accrued a full year of big league service. In other words, had the Cubs called Bryant up on April 16 or any day before, he would be scheduled to hit free agency after 2020. Instead, he’s currently ticketed for free agency in the 2021-22 offseason.
Of course, the Cubs (and onlookers) were fully aware of the service time implications at the time. Indeed, as MLBTR’s Steve Adams wrote the day of Bryant’s selection to the active roster, “the Cubs opted to delay Bryant’s promotion by 12 days in order to extend their control over the phenom for an additional season.” While Bryant’s case wasn’t the first to feature “coincidental” timing shortly after a relevant service barometer passes, it may have been the most visible. Bryant was then baseball’s top prospect, had destroyed the high minors the year prior, and was even coming off a monster spring training. While the Cubs justified Bryant’s demotion by citing defensive shortcomings, it seems as apparent now as it was then that Bryant’s promotion date was tied entirely to service reasons. As Bryant reflected to Sahadev Sharma of the Athletic in February, “now I can look back on it and just laugh about it because I was told to work on my defense…and I think I got three groundballs in those games that I played. So it’s like, ‘Oh, now he’s ready.’”
If Bryant and agent Scott Boras were to prevail and Bryant were awarded an extra year of service, the consequences would no doubt be far-reaching. Most obviously, Bryant would become a free agent in one year’s time instead of two, which would have enormous effects on the Cubs and potential suitors. After all, Bryant has more than justified his prospect hype, combining to slash .284/.385/.516 (139 wRC+) and accruing 27.8 fWAR in nearly five seasons. He’d certainly vault near the top of any free agent class he is a part of.
Equally interesting would be the ripple effects a Bryant victory could have on the league as a whole. Similar, highly-publicized situations have taken place in recent years with top prospects (perhaps most visibly with Vladimir Guerrero, Jr.). Bryant’s grievance, four years in the making, will certainly make for an interesting referendum on the permissiveness of prospect promotions so narrowly after service deadlines.
rayrayner
Sorry, Kris, you hadn’t supplanted Mike Olt at 3B yet. You needed a to work on your defense and you got called up when Olt and LaStella went on the DL You’re stuck with the Cubs thru 2021 if they don’t trade you first.
chitown311
Poor guy.
rayrayner
Not really, he’s already a multi-millionaire before the Cubs called him up.
jorge78
Chitown meant mentally….
Koamalu
You are being sarcastic right? Olt hit .160 in 2014 and .133 up to that point in 2015 and was traded later in the year because he could not hit.
jorge78
YES!
He was…..
Capi
Mike Olt was better defensively an also had a strong Spring Training, Mike Olt was already on the 40 man roster.
The Cubs have plenty of excuses.
Strike Four
They really dont, homie mchomerson. they bought him up THE NEXT DAY.
Facts: 1
Cubs: 0
You deserve to lose KB at the end of 2020.
mustang66
Pretty stupid to do it one day after. Even a week loos better
jasonpen
Cubs + Facts = 1
Bryant = 0.
Fixed it for you.
It doesn’t matter what Bryant did the previous season or that he had a great Spring. The CBA explains the service time requirement (fact) and the Cubs obeyed the contract (fact). Bryant can cry until he’s blue in the face, and it doesn’t change the facts…
Tough break, but blame your union, not the Cubs…
bhambrave
They didn’t break any rules. Service time manipulation is built into the game. Get over it.
CubsRebsSaints
My argument would be…..
Wouldn’t you call him up one day after for an extra year of control?!!? They should change the rule if they don’t want teams doing this.
findingnimmo
Well said
mkeyankee
Actually, the cba contains a “good faith” clause that the cubs, clearly, violated. They stand to be over-ruled and lose kb after 2020.
ImACubsFanSoWhat
Was it against the rules?
jorge78
Sarcasm alert!
todd76
Must be tough to get to play MLB and be rich. Feel sorry for the guy!
Ejemp2006
It is tough to play MLB and be rich or you would do it too. Or get your kids to do it. Fact is becoming a superstar baseball player is one of the hardest things to do in the history of the planet earth.
Byron J Kelley
Trade his sorry butt. I’m tired of hearing him and Boras cry like babies.
CubsRebsSaints
Trade him! Sign Rendon.
And when you play KB, throw him high right fastballs. He loopy swing will miss those more times than not. Mix in a few sliders and changeup(bc he cant hit a good one) and you’ll never have to worry about him beating you!
CubsRebsSaints
High,TIGHT
alien272
for another Boras client??
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Rendon is going west to Anaheim. They need a 3B badly
mistry gm
All this says is that Bryant wants OUT of Chicago earlier. Trade him before his attitude shows up even more in his stats.
Ejemp2006
Whole team has a bad attitude. That’s why it never turned into a dynasty. That’s why we should celebrate Maddon more for his ability to squeeze at least one championship out…. Or maybe blame Maddon for creating an environment where egos grow faster than necessary.
chitown311
Who on that team has a bad attitude?
nats3256
Rules are rules and I dont think he wins…however, this rule may be addressed for the next CBA.
SDHotDawg
EXACTLY. The MLBPA negotiated and approved the CBA. Tough luck for prospects.
Paul Miller
Blame Tony Clark. He only cared about the veteran players getting paid, not the kids. From what I recall when the CBA was last signed, the players didn’t really get anything they wanted!
This is why you need an actual leader with negotiating skills and not a washed up MLB player leading your union….
yaow 2
Well, those kids will eventually become vets.
I see it as securing the future for younger ballplayers.
I’m assuming MLB players pay dues? If so, that’s gotta be taken into consideration. Veterans who have been paying into the MLBPA longer than younger guys.
Unless younger guys in the minors are covered by the union as well. Seems doubtful seeing how some guys in the minors struggle with the pay they get.
jim stem
Pretty sure most of the real prospects who get drafted are set for life as soon as they sign their first contract.
In regard to the service time date, that’s a simple fix: start it with the signing of your first professional contract. ANY time you have deadlines management is going to utilize it to their advantage. The SMART ones do what is best for the team (like the Mets handling of Alonso),but only if they are in a win now mode.
Personally, I think it’s stupid to worry about a player starting
his clock early because a) fans want to see the best players on the field, b) good prospects put people in the seats and keep them watching late in losing seasons, and c) if the player is worthy, you tear up his contract and sign him long term avoiding free agency altogether!
Bottom line is, Cubs could simply offer Bryant an extension if they really wanted him, but he obviously wants out. A team player knows its part of the organizational strategy, like it or not.
ImACubsFanSoWhat
They did offer him an extension
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
No they didn’t. That was fake news by talking heads. they never offered him anything.
Roll
So basically what they are saying is the Cubs followed the rules agreed by both MLBPA and MLB and are in trouble for it. May not have been the spirit of it but they followed it none the less. So did Kris when he signed his contract to play baseball professionally. What if they waited 2 days … a week .. a month waited til the end of the year?
802Ghost
Sounds typical. Just like players who sign a contract, then hold out.
stratcrowder
I couldn’t agree more. Was it shady? No doubt. However, rules are rules, and yes the players association ratified the CBA.
jbigz12
Baseball players don’t sign contracts and hold out. Football players do because their salaries are usually not fully guaranteed. Unless you’re Kirk Cousins. No issues with football players holding out. The team would cut them the second their guaranteed money was up should it go bad. No reason why they can’t fight for their dollars when they’re underpaid in a league that chews guys up quickly.
realsox
I’m not sure what the contractual basis of the grievance is, though I can certainly understand why Bryant is ticked off. But the collective bargaining agreement allows teams to do what the Cubs did with Bryant, doesn’t it? The team fabricated a reason, and that was a PR mistake, I think, not a violation of the agreement. Is there more here than meets the eye?
thinkblech
Service time manipulation is expressly against the rules, we’re just used to it by now, and we shouldn’t be.
realsox
I didn’t know this. Can you quote the rules to which you refer?
thinkblech
The CBA outlines club goals as fully developing young talent and competing for a championship. The club says Bryant needed to work on his defense to fulfill their end, which is bogus. MLBPA would argue that to compete for a championship, the Cubs needed to have their best team on the field, and in order to have their best team on the field, Bryant would need to be a part of that from opening day. One of Tony Clark’s mistakes was not having language tying promotions to MLB readiness, though the implication is there with “competing for a championship”, and not championships, plural. If it were pluralized in the contract, if anything, it would highlight the necessity to get an extra year of control, for another opportunity to have him help compete for a title. Freakin lawyers, man.
jim stem
Isn’t that exactly what they did? Maybe they felt they might have had a better chance to win in 2021 than the his rookie year?
thinkblech
They held him back in 2015 to prep for a title run in 2021, right after signing Jon Lester in the offseason? This is some galaxy brain stuff.
macstruts
Is it? Do you know the rule? I’m not disagreeing, but if so, this is a clear example of service time manipulation.
Is there anyone here who doesn’t think this was service time manipulation?
Dodger Dog
There is a big fangraphs article on this from early in the season. Short version is, if you knowingly try and get around the spirit of the agreement to manipulate service time then the player should be granted FA early – or even immediately. Imagine how hilarious it would be if KB and Vlad Jr were declared free agents at the end of the World Series.
macstruts
Vlad was hurt before the season started, it’s hard to justify there was manipulation of service time with Vlad.
There is no doubt that Bryant’s service time was manipulated. If there is rule against it, I hope he is granted free agency early.
jim stem
Honesty may have been the best approach. “Barring injury, we will call up Bryant on x date to guarantee that the Cubs will have the services of Mr. Bryant through the 2021 season. We hope Kris is a player we can build around and bring multiple championships to the city if Chicago.” Done.
acmeants
That ‘s the correct approach.
whyhayzee
There’s either a date or there’s not a date. Is it ok to get called up a week later? Is that too close? A month? Is that ok. Sorry, in baseball, anything below .2995 and you didn’t hit .300. And really, .2997 is not hitting .300. 999 is not 1,000. 32.3 degrees is not freezing. Ugh.
kevlar51
I’m not quite sure what his actual argument is. The Cubs improperly maximized their end of the bargain? If there’s a clear date in there, and the Cubs utilized that, then what’s the remedy? Pretend the rules of agreement actually stated one day earlier? At that point, wouldn’t the Cubs have the exact same grievances that Bryant has (plus the added benefit of “the rules are quite clear here”)?
thinkblech
They used the date improperly. What they did is expressly against the rules. And no, the Cubs wouldn’t have the same grievance. They wouldn’t have any grievance, at all.
thinkblech
Of course, proving they violated the rules is the hard part. As Bryant says, did the three grounders he saw in 12 days make the difference? How will the arbiter see it? Who the heck knows.
brewpackbuckbadg
The Cubs basically said—I guess he isn’t going to get enough ground balls to make a difference so why don’t we just call him up.
That’s the argument!!!!!!!!!!!
jim stem
Maybe they wanted him to stay down on the farm longer but actually called him up “early” due to injuries? People keep talking about the three balls he fielded and I find that incredibly ignorant. During that time he probably had 20 hours of if defensive drills (or more) pregames and off days.
I’m not saying the Cubs didn’t push it off to guarantee an extra year of service, but isn’t that up to them? How many prospects never got their first call up this year that could have? How many saw their clock cone and go and never got the call? Are they going to cry to lawyers too?
fox471 Dave
How?
Chris Koch
The Cubs kept Bryant from playing the previous Sept, only to then wait the minimal days to gain a year of control. There was 0 reasons to not have brought Bryant up for September games the year prior. Except then to gain a year control the Cubs would have had to wait the days accrued from that September. It is the most blatant manipulation on service time that deserves a win in Bryant’s favor.
jim stem
But teams obviously do that every year: not call up players in September to avoid starting their service time clock.
Chris Koch
Name me the Milb Player of the year youre referring to. Yes teams dont call up good players in September. But which of them were the Milb POY?
metsie1
What was the point of having a specific date then? Bryant should have a beef with his Union than the team. Force them to negotiate new rules during collective bargaining. Otherwise, you shixx outta luck.
Strike Four
Counterpoint: Billionaire owners should be better to their employees.
Why do you want MLB team owners to make more money than the players? Like, what do you get out of it?
bhambrave
I believe in following the rules. If there’s an express rule against what the Cubs did, then he should get his year early. If there’s not an express rule, then he’s out of luck.
DTD_ATL
Those billionaire owners are paying player a butt ton of money to play baseball. It’s the same stupid argument for how millionaire company presidents don’t pay enough to their employesu or don’t pay enough in taxes. It’s just whining out of greed and jealousy. If you want more, go earn it.
Senioreditor
I hope he wins so this roster manipulation goes away.
pt57
So long as there’s service time, there will be roster manipulation.
Even if the rule were 1 day in ML counts as a year, there would be teams who wouldn’t make in-season promotions, especially after July.
HalosHeavenJJ
Exaclty pt57. Move the line and the teams will simply adjust. Getting that extra year is very valuable.f
Koamalu
That is exactly the rule that is coming. If you play in the majors at all you get 1 year of service time. I think the exception to that rule will be September call ups when rosters expand.
If you leave players that could help your team win in the minors all season you are hurting the team, not the player so i doubt that happens.
Show Me Your Tatis
As pt57 said, that just means teams will hold off on calling prospects who are ready up until September as opposed to holding off until after 2 weeks into April.
lowtalker1
They did nothing wrong. You’re lucky the As didn’t draft you.
athleticsnchill
Yeah, the only started a player’s service clock and paid him league minimum even though he was going to be transferred right to the 60-day IL so they could give a roster slot to someone else this year. What a scumbag organization.
For the record, Puk and Luzardo would have started the year in Oakland if they were ready and hadn’t gotten hurt. Chapman similarly would have started the year in the majors if he was ready in 2017. How exactly is it a player’s decision whether they’re called up, in any case? Who are they to say they’re ready? They just play, they don’t have to manage the team.
DarkSide830
rules are rules, Kris’s lawyer. its a worthwhile grievance to file, but has no chance of being successful.
wrigleyhawkeye
Basically this— hopefully. The Cubs did nothing wrong. If the grievance is approved then the Cubs get screwed and the MLB just starts making up rules as they go.
jb226
While I don’t doubt the Cubs’ decision was driven by service time considerations, Bryant is also engaging in some revisionist history. The man who took the starts at 3B beginning that season was Mike Olt, who was a well-regarded prospect at the time himself. Tommy LaStella had suffered an injury a week prior, and Bryant was called up after Olt was hit by a pitch and fractured his wrist.
Losing your starter and backup at a single position will tend to accelerate somebody’s call-up timeline at that position. It really doesn’t matter how many grounders you got before then.
Koamalu
Olt hit .160 in 2014, had a bad spring training in 2015, and was hitting .133 in 2015 when Bryant was called up. Olt was already 26 years old and was 3 years removed from being considered a good prospect.
None of that means Bryant will win his case, but it does show that Olt was not someone that was blocking Bryant.
rayrayner
Olt had a .928 OPS in spring training.
Koamalu
He hit .271 with 3 HR while striking out 40% of the time in his 22 games. He had a bad spring training.
Meanwhile Bryant hit .425 with 9 HRs and a1.157 SLG and 1.652 OPS in his 14 games. Yes, you read that right. Bryant had a higher SLG than Olt had OPS.
Olt was no longer a good prospect. He was 26. Struck out far too much and could not hit above the Mendoza line. He was not blocking anyone. .
rayrayner
But Kris’s defense. Not good enough yet.
Anthony Rizzo had a .578 OPS in spring training. Maybe they should have moved Olt to first and optioned Rizzo.
mstrchef13
Sorry dude, but hitting .271 with 3 HR isn’t exactly having a bad spring training. Your opinions on the relative prospect value of Olt and Bryant in 2015 are meaningless to the discussion. The Cubs had a vested interest in trying to get some use out of Olt, having been the centerpiece in the Garza deal. It made absolute sense to play him. He had a horrible half season in 2014, hitting .160, and it’s quite likely that the Cubs were hoping that the .271 he hit in ST was legit and he had turned a corner., especially considering he had a 933 OPS at AAA in ’14 for them.
You can paint your narrative ny way you want, but you’re looking back with 4 years of hindsight knowing that Olt turned out to barely be a 4A player. Boras will be doing the same thing in the hearing. I hope that it doesn’t work. I hope that the Cubs win the grievance. They were working within the rules. If Olt doesn’t break his wrist, maybe he gets another month of playing time before Bryant gets called up. Would the grievance still be valid then?
Strike Four
Bootlicker. Players over owners ALWAYS.
bhambrave
Frustrated fantasy players’ agent.
DTD_ATL
There are no players without owners.
macstruts
I believe every baseball fan on the planet knew the Cubs were manipulating service time.
It’s revisionist history to suggest otherwise.
rayrayner
Yes, Tarantino should make a movie with Boras killing Theo and Jed in the end.
macstruts
Rayrayner,
That’s pretty darn funny.
McLovin
i’d pay to see that movie in IMAX !!! also, on a side note, love the user name. anyone who grew up watching WGN knows who ray rayner is. great user name!!!
Braveslifer
The relationship of Bryant and Cubs is in trouble, they should trade him to the Braves…
rayrayner
Ok, how about Riley and your three best pitching prospects.
Koamalu
Anderson, Wright and Wilson for 2 years of Bryant? The Braves might do that.
Strike Four
Braves going to keep JD one would think. Or Bryant to RF?
Braveslifer
If JD is not re-signed, Bryant to 3B and try for Castellanos. If JD stays, Bryant to LF and pick up Markasis’ option.
Chi Guy
From a logic stand point, Bryant certainly has a point, but rules are rules and you have to operate within the rules that were collectively bargained. Teams should be able to determine when a player is called up, and if they overturn this, then any player who has a solid spring will make the argument they should be called up immediately. By not enforcing the rules in place, it would open up a huge can of worms with several other players.
Based on Bryant’s comments, it makes me believe that he may not be looking to sign in Chicago long term.
Koamalu
Whether or not Bryant wins his case, and I doubt he will because the team followed the rules of the game, it will be addressed in the next CBA for 2022.
The MLBPA is fighting for a year of service time to be accrued if a player is in the majors at any point in the season other than a September call up when rosters expand. I believe that the owners will acquiesce on this point because of all the bad press surrounding cases like Kris Bryant’s.
Roll
Wouldnt September callups be a moot point?. I thought with the roster expanding to 26 and to i think 2 additional players in September there will be a lot less people falling into this category. This might also be bad for the fringe guys and will never get a taste of the big show except maybe spring training.
Koamalu
MLB will want some give and take on the issue and that is why I think those few September call ups will be exempted from service time rules. Teams will still have injuries that require bringing up those fringe guys so it will not hurt them. It will completely end service time manipulation. .
Show Me Your Tatis
It won’t end it. It will change the time of year in which it occurs. Like if a guy is clearly ready to be called up in July, the team might wait until September 1st to call him up.
CrewBrew
Does it matter? He’s traded this offseason anyways imo. Cubs are going to do something big with this core. I dont see them sticking together
Joe Kerr
It would matter to the Cubs and any potential trading partner because if what you say does indeed happen, they would get less of a return for Bryant with 1 year remaining vs having 2 years remaining on his current deal.
realsox
I wonder if the team’s willingness to consider trading Bryant is conditioned by its expectation that KB is so ticked off that he will never sign a long-term deal with the Cubs.
Show Me Your Tatis
Who says he would have signed a long-term deal with the Cubs (or anyone) in the first place?
phillyballers
Maybe if baseball reigned in the ridiculous contracts…? I mean Crash Davis is stealing money for years. Look at all the huge contracts and how few workout now.
Koamalu
Most long term contracts provide excess value to the team.
Yankeepride88
What would you consider long-term?
Codeeg
More than 4 years
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
You probably could do that and reign in long term contracts if you paid young players. Seems a relatively easy concept. You can’t complain about ridiculous contracts without complaining about the other side. The same can be said about owners stealing stealing money for years. Look at how well that’s worked out for owners. There in lies your problem.
angt222
Bryant needs to let it go already. Cubs say when players come up. He will bolt for FA and make more money than any of us will likely see. Focus on trying to help the Cubs take back the NL Central instead.
Priggs89
Yah, I’m sure he’s much more focused on this case that’s been going on for 4 years (which is ridiculous) than he is on preparing for next season. Great call.
its_happening
This is more than just a rule between the MLB and MLBPA; it’s about a player who felt he deserved to be a major league baseball player prior to date he was called up. The player felt he should have been on a major league roster based on merit rather than held down in the minors based on money and control. In short, Bryant filed a grievance because he and his agent (probably) feel what the Cubs did was unethical.
In the case of Vlad Guerrero, he deserved a September callup in 2018 at the very least. Unfortunately he did not deserve to make the Blue Jays roster to start 2019 due to showing up to Spring Training pushing 300 pounds, or so it appeared. All a moot point as Vlad was hurt in Spring.
Capi
I’m pretty sure for KB this is as much about money as it is the Cubs trying to gain an extra year of control.
its_happening
It’s more than money. Bryant isn’t filing a grievance just for more money. This is to make a statement. A big statement that goes beyond money. That is why he’s continued the process for this long.
ForestCobraAL
Kris Bryant has as much chance of winning this as a criminal defendant has to be fully acquitted while represented by a Public Defender.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
They’re just now getting around to a 2015 grievance now? Good to know the system works so efficiently…
whosyourmomma
This is the best comment by far on this thread! It’s a complete joke that it took this long to hear this case! Bryant was not only the best hitter on Cubs that spring training but probably all of baseball. You cannot argue facts but like many have said the Cubs/Bryant relationship has soured because of this so great job cheap @ss Ricketts!
Socrates Curveball
How about Trade to the Braves (along with Daniel Descalso) for Austin Riley, Kyle Wright, Luke Jackson & Jasseel De La Cruz. Bryant won’t win the grievance, but the breakup of the Cubs & Bryant is bound to occur.
rayrayner
Ian Anderson and Bryse Wilson instead of Jackson and de la Cruz.
jorge78
What are Bryant/Boras saying?
Oh, there’s an exception to the rule
if the prospect is obviously
talented enough for the next
level!!?? Rules are rules.
Change the CBA…..
desertbull
The MLBPA and Owners jointly approved the rules of arbitration and free agency.
Oops
FrankRoo
MLB needs to address players and agents view of their salaries. Bryant is just setting himself up to become an enemy in Chicago. Fans agree with what the Cubs did because they want to see Bryant as a Cub for as long as possible.
MLB should realize this and change how service time works in the next CBA. Incentivize teams to bring up players to begin a season by counting anything beyond a short cup of coffee call up a full year. Give teams longer control over players, but have salaries increase much more quickly in arbitration. Incentivize extensions. Maybe reduce the luxury cap hit if you sign your existing players currently under control.
I want to see younger players get paid sooner and in return see those younger players stick with the teams that drafted/signed them and developed them. Fans follow these players as far down as rookie ball. I think it would be great for players, teams and fans to see players stick with their teams longer and get paid more along the way.
Tim Newport
Not fair. A comment offering an insightful, solution based proposal.
Just stop it. Right now
Koamalu
They filed the grievance in 2015. The question you should be asking is why did it take so long for MLB to do anything about it.
The MLBPA is fighting for any time at all in the majors being counted as a full year of service time. They will get it.
Teams will not get more years of control over a player. They already get 6 years of service time which is exactly why keeping Bryant in the minors was done and since the average age of first call up to the majors is 24, that means most players hit FA at 30. Players want to be FA earlier. I believe that will happen. 2 years of arbitration and a FA after 5 years from first appearance in a MLB game.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
How much more control do they need over players? They basically have 4-5 before rule V at the milb level with a total of 7 until they hit milb FA and 6.5-7 at the mlb. That’s essentially 11 years of control with more added if teams take full advantage of your option years. At some point regardless of how you feel about players staying with the same team, you have to acknowledge they need to have some semblance of control of their careers. Yes it’d be cool if certain star players stayed with one team, but it’s not realistic. Players should be able to contribute, and have the ability to sign a fair market value price for their services at a reasonable age rather than owners continuing to play the victims as they squeeze every last ounce they can.
It’s honestly sad where the state of the game has gone. It’s even more disappointing to see fan herds siding as though this is ok. Owners don’t want to pay amateurs let’s cap the draft, owners don’t want to pay IFAs let’s depress the market with the cap, owners don’t want to pay foreign leagues to pillage their leagues so now let’s screw them in terms of postings, owners don’t want to pay young players so let’s manipulate their service, owners don’t want to pay players when they are older so let’s no longer deal with this archaic system, owners don’t want to pay minor leaguers so now let’s radicalize a system because we want to squeeze every last drop of money that we can all while receiving the tax breaks and subsidies along with continuing to raise ticket price, parking, and concessions yet let’s pass it the under the guise of we can’t afford these salaries if we don’t. Rant over.
jbigz12
If Players stayed in organizations any longer they’d be lifetime members of the organization. Realistically if you get drafted out of high school you can spend 10-11 years of your life in the same organization. Players would never fight for less mobility. And there’s still huge hazards for that control. Would still be very easy to trade guys and the players would have no control over their destination.
cpdpoet
Boras being Boras, And he’s been in Bryant’s ear from day 1. He likes to stir the pot and he’s good at it….Cubs most assuredly wanted that extra year of control, but they played w/in the existing rules…..just like Boras has done in the past; Harper, JD Drew, Matt White / Bobby Seay….to secure larger deals….
From all accounts, Bryant seems like a decent guy…..My 2 cents he loses here, but the next CBA this’ll be addressed.
7up17togo
Poor fella. He’ll have to “scape by” this year with 15 million or so…..
ScottCFA
MLB will now address a grievance from 2015. What’s the rush?
Tim Newport
This is another case of Scott Boros making a flailing attempt to keep his suckers from wising up and escaping his agency. He convinced Bryant not to sign an extension which would have set him (and his great great grandchildren) up for life and protect him from the financial effects of injuries or declining performance. So what’s happened? Anyone but Kool-Aid Cub fans can see that he’s become an injury prone, slump prone sucker for a high fastball and a down and out slider (like every struggling prospect in triple A) who’s arbitration value will still be sky high. In short, he has far less value on the open market than the Smartest Man In The World thinks he has and, unless he turns things around for a couple years, will have far less value as a free agent that Boros has been promising.
Capi
Dont forget he’s also a 30 HR .900 OPS all star caliber player that can play multiple positions and a very good base runner.
I mean, you don’t have to be a Cub fan to know this, but it would certainly ruin your narrative… So please, carry on.
realsox
What were the terms of the contract extension that Bryant rejected?
macstruts
The players and their union can afford good lawyers. Write better contracts.
Anyway, in a couple of years I think the point will be moot. The entire definition of “service time’ might change. .
throwinched10
My heart bleeds for him…
AtlSoxFan
Outcome is fairly simple. CBA says what it says, this isn’t constitutional law where you argue the “penumbra” of what it doesn’t say but could’ve meant. It’s a simple contract, and, was there an actual breach of the black letter terms.
1) Bryant hits FA as scheduled. 2) team holding his rights (note I don’t necessarily say cubs) issues a QO, which is declined. 3) Bryant refuses to resign with the cubs unless he gets what he feels is a p***k tax covering the year’s worth of value he feels he missed out on, either through extra time or money.
Final outcome, Bryant continues his career elsewhere. (I don’t think he’d take the “refuse to play” approach threatened by a certain Mets.
jtvincent
not insulting at all for fans that cant go to games for a millionaire to complain about his millions. seriously cant think of a single industry where the employees take home so much of the revenue. people want to blame owners for high ticket prices but it’s just as much the players as the owners
Koamalu
All major sports have the players taking home about half of revenue. MLB was under 40% in 2019.
I can’t think of a single industry where labor is not the largest single expense and makes up at least 50% of revenue.
Toksoon
Pretty funny the Mlbpa agreed with all these issues even signing a contract with Mlb , then when a Mlb team uses one of the provisions that the players ratified and passed they’re pissed . Sorry can’t have it both ways or why bother to have an agreement at all — time for mlb to have a salary cap and floor
Priggs89
I’m fairly certain they didn’t agree to this provision with the intent of having service time manipulated, but that’s what the system has turned into. Should they have seen it coming when they signed? Probably. But that absolutely was not the intent – which is why they’re pissed.
jstepanik
Bryant’s situation could have easily been anticipated before the current agreement was signed. I don’t see how they have any chance of winning this.
jtvincent
teams invest millions in their players. they usually spend for 3 years in the minors then spend for 2 or 3 years in the majors before a player is even good. then they go to arbitration and spend even more. so the actual time the team gets a good player is 3 to 4 years if lucky where they pay good wages. . not sure how much more players want. team owners invest billions in the teams and make little more or even less than the stock market. not defending billionaire class but geez it is a business
Dodgerfan34
Sounds like you are defending the billionaires.
Koamalu
WOW! That was one of the least informed comments I have ever read on here and that is saying something. The Marlins sold for $1.2 billion after being bought for $185.5 million. .
macstruts
I’m not pro player, I’m not pro owner, I’m pro capitalism.
Baseball shouldn’t be a pyramid scheme. If baseball teams are not operating in the black, that chair is eventually going to be pulled out..
I’m not saying teams don’t make money, but a 1.2 Billion dollar investment should be able to make money. A lot of money.
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Dodgerfan34
This is going to be very important for many MLB players. Forget about how much he has made or didn’t make…MLB teams have been doing this to players for many years and it is unfair. Owners have been taking advantage of players in order to hold them to low salaries for as long as they can. Either it stops with this grievance or it will be addressed in the next contract negotiation…or be the core of a baseball strike.
rayrayner
It should be addressed in the next CBA negotiation
mattcubs
Interesting that it’s taken this long.
I like KB. I think it’s obvious the Cubs manipulated his service time, but I doubt he will win.
Either way, I think he will be traded this offseason. Cubs need cap space and depth. They can’t afford to keep paying FA starting pitchers 20+ million a year.
goldenmisfit
I’ve heard Trey talked involving him for a while I agree there may at least be some trade talks I have even heard for about a year now the Yankees could jump in.
Frisco500
This doesnt have any traction. But man, Bryant cant wait to leave.
ngk
This has everything to do with the union and almost nothing to do with the player. The union (and his lawyer) are looking for a high profile case to grieve and take to the arbitrator. I doubt very much that Bryant is pushing this or that he hates the Cubs because of it. They paid him above what they were required when they could have renewed him at league minimum.
jints1
Isn’t the service time agreement part of CBA? While I normally side with the players, I can’t see Bryant winning this since it would open the door for grievances not just concerning Super 2. This should be addressed in next CBA.
Koamalu
This wasn’t about Super Two status, it is about free agency. Super Two cutoff date is usually in June.
stratcrowder
Boras. Go away.
carlos15
Why can’t the MLB club use that rule to their advantage instead of having to pay a guy $30m a year a year before it has to. If they don’t like the rule change it the next time they collectively bargain. It’s the team discretion. It’s a bigger deal now because if Bryant continues to decline like he has he won’t be worth as much one year later.
mike127
This is nothing more than the legal system and the baseball union at its best. I challenge anyone to produce any evidence that KRIS BRYANT, himself, has complained about being underpaid or that he’s 100% leaving Chicago at the end of his deal.
Using Nolan Arenado as a comparison, Bryant should receive somewhere in the neighborhood of $45M over the next couple of years (about 18 this year and 27 next via arbitration).
This whole exercise is allow players to file a grievance and the team 100% exercising the rights they had at the time Bryant was coming up. Bryant (or more likely the union and Boras) have every right to do what they did four years ago and Bryant has every right over the next two years to negotiate further with the Cubs and/or become a free agent in due time.
Like other said, this will be a key point in the next CBA negotiations.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
You know there was never an extension offered. The fake news rumor was 10 years 200 mil. that was a fake offer made up by fake bloggers and talkdug heads
BuckarooBanzai
This is typical BoreAss. The stench is unmistakable
SMMIST9
The Cubs went by what is in the CBA. Its not Bryant or Boras decision of when he deserves to come up, its the teams decision.
Strike Four
Kris Bryant for Mookie Betts who says no – Bryant would move to RF for BOS, Betts to RF for Cubs.
Show Me Your Tatis
Cubs block the new Red Sox GM’s number if they suggest that
throwinched10
Elaborate on that. I’m not sure how that’s unfair from the Cubs point of view.
Show Me Your Tatis
Betts is a one year rental and will be making $30m during that one year. Yes, his production does provide surplus value on that $30m but not enough to be worth KB.
Priggs89
Unless, however, KB turns into a one year rental…
anthonyd4412
As a Cub Fan I say YES
anthonyd4412
Get over it already Krissy and work on hitting a change up. It was part of the rules the union agreed to
crazylarry
This is one that is sooooo blatant that he needs to get his year.
bhambrave
I looked all through the CBA and I couldn’t find any reference to service time manipulation. I don’t see how Bryant could win his grievance.
dol.gov/OLMS/regs/compliance/cba/2019/private/30Ma…
themed
They clearly screwed him over. Quite obvious. Now I hope he screws them over.
bhambrave
So you think “karma” is more important than following the agreed upon rules?
citizen
Olt never panned out. La stella is a bench player. I like how the Nats are in the series and playoffs without Harper. The cubs went by the rules on contracts. Bryant can’t stay healthy on the field, unless the cubs find a replacements, their window for competing is closing. I think this is more Borax than Bryant.
dmarcus15
I think this is Boras more than Bryant he wants his payday a year earlier!
oldtimer
I don’t know the exact rule. The Cubs probably did what they did to secure the extra year. My thoughts are I so sick of Boras and his greed. Bryant is being a baby about the whole thing! Win or lose he may be one of those additions by subtraction! Try to get what you can get for him by trade because Boras will never allow him to resign with the Cubs. Live with it and move on.
Brian Petti
These “rules are rules” posters are the same guys who would lose their minds if they ever got a ticket for going 36 in a 35. No rules are ever changed unless they are challenged–even if he doesn’t win, he puts the issue on the table. Telling him to shut up and play completely misses the point.
bhambrave
I never said he should shut up and play. All I said was I didn’t see anything in the rules that prevents the Cubs from doing what they did and that I didn’t see him winning. There is a clause in the rules that said teams can basically run their teams any way they see fit, as long as they don’t violate the rules.
Dumpster Divin Theo
He gone!
jd396
If this is to change they need to…
1) Slightly alter ST calculation w/r/t free agency so that one day here or there doesn’t matter as much as the fact that they “basically” played the whole season. There’s lots of ways one could do this that wouldn’t dramatically change anything besides reducing the benefit of ST manipulation. If it was more of a week to week calculation it gets harder and harder to justify keeping a player off the roster.
2) Institute something like a “franchise tag” that allows teams to just pay a fair price (say something like 1.25x a QO) for a guaranteed 7th year for a player so they don’t feel like they need to play games with ST in the first place for a year of control.
megaj
I love the Cubs but have never liked Bryant. He seems to do just enough to stay in that upper tier of stats, but is still one of the least clutch players out there, is too soft, and seems to be more about the money than the game
Chris Koch
Its not just the 12days to complain about. The year prior, a hopeless Cubs team playing out Sept, kept Bryant from playing a single series! Just so they could do what they did. No reason but this obvious manipulation to not have played in at least the final Home series. He clearly deserved it after the year he had in the minors.
jim stem
But why start his clock early if those games don’t matter? They obviously felt they weren’t going to compete for a championship that year or the next, so any lose him a year early? Isn’t that management’s right to run the club for the best return in the long run? Baseball is a business and the best business move was to retain his services for as long as possible.
Chris Koch
Why? Because his wiki states this: . The Cubs selected him with the second overall selection in the 2013 MLB draft and he quickly became one of the top prospects in baseball, winning the USA Today Minor League Player of the Year Award and Baseball America Minor League Player of the Year Award in 2014.
Bryant made his major league debut in 2015. He was named an MLB All-Star and won the National League’s (NL) Rookie of the Year Award. He was again named an All-Star in 2016, won a World Series championship with the Cubs, and was named the NL’s Most Valuable Player.
His final Minors game in ’14 was Sept 1st. Cubs need to be hit hard in sanctions&fines. They kept the minors #1 player from baseball and the fans to “manage” control for an extra season. The amount of games he missed by this “managing” had to of approached 35games! The Cubs did not only do Bryant dirty, but all baseball fans. You cant argue for what the Cubs did. If you do you’re not a fan of baseball. Not calling up the #1 proven and rewarded prospect to play in September? Its compBS.do BS.
bravesfan
To many rules with things like this in baseball. Maybe I’m ignorant, but I feel like none of the other sports have these kind of rules in place. It’s just silly if you ask me. Let the kids play and get paid
whosyourmomma
Like the old saying, “Letter of the law or spirit of the law”. Cubs clearly used the letter of the law to their advantage. That was a disservice to Bryant, baseball fans and future baseball players. The best players should be playing at the highest level! Cubs fans are such morons though and defend their team for whatever reasons they can think of. Russell will have next grievance when Cubs put him on IL at end of year, when it was not necessary at all because rosters had expanded. Another cheap @ss move by Theo & Ricketts.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Addison Russell was on the DL because he was hit in the head and was on the concussion protocol. There was 3 weeks left. He’s not gonna be the cubs problem in 2020. They’ll get a low level prospect pitcher for him
BeeVeeTee
It’s obvious Bryant wants out of Chicago! If Theo Epstein is this alleged baseball genius, then he better pull off a move with the Braves to grab Riley or Carmago to replace Bryant at third base along with two of their pitching prospects.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Kris Bryant loves Chicago. His leach agent wants to get him out of Chicago more than kris Bryant does.
Bryant needs to get at least 4 players back. Make it carmago and 1 starter plus 2 prospects.
Carmago , max fried and 2 top 50 prospects.
BeeVeeTee
From my understanding Bryant always mentions how baseball is a business! In all reality, Bryant is playing a game and making money he would never make like the rest of us. Bryant would thrive in that Braves line up batting around Freeman, Albies and Acuna. The Cubs would be stupid not look in trading him to the Braves but I think the package is something similar to what we are saying but giving up Fried with Camargo and two prospects might be pushing it with Bryant on his last two years of arbitration before hitting free agency!
jim stem
It’s called “management” and it happens all the time. There are always going to be deadlines unless they are eliminated and changed to a specific calendar date or “from time of signing” contract wording.
I get the feeling that Cubs fans are tiring of Bryant?
jim stem
…and if they would have called him up early, then what? All the fans and critics would be screaming how the Cubs screwed up by losing him a year earlier than necessary.
Why don’t we all just be honest. Bryant knows his value, like his skill set and health, is diminishing. This is nothing more than self centered greed. Whether it’s 2020 or 2021, the man is going to receive more guaranteed money than he or his kids can ever spend in their lifetimes. All he is doing is creating animosity, ill will and bad karma.
Cubs will unload him and let him be some other team’s underachieving, pouting multi millionaire on a .500 team.
jdan74
As a Cubs fan, I completely agree. I’m genuinely tired of his pouting and primadonna behavior. He hasn’t been anywhere near the kam yet he was in 2016. And for those of you that will reply in a snarky way, please save your WAR stats. Those can be (and are) padded. If this team wants to win, they need pitching. Trade this pouting baby away for what we really need. In a city like Chicago, this “I want to make $30 million, instead of $15 million” isn’t gonna play too well with us fans.
BeeVeeTee
Allegedly Kris Bryant worked on and fixed his defense in AAA on the day before the Cubs gained that extra year of control on him!
acmeants
The players association opened this Pandora’s box when they agreed to the rule. Someone in charge really was shortsighted, if they couldn’t see this coming. Baseball owners are in business. They have to balance the squirreling of assets with the fans’ desire to win sooner than later. It’s a difficult situation. Emotion vs non-emotional accounting.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I dont see the big deal. They kept him down for 10 extra days. Is it really that big of deal? He won unanimous rookie of the year. Unanimous mvp and a world series championship his first two years. Not many players can say that. If it wasnt for nolan Arenado he would’ve won at least 2 gold gloves too. If maddon didnt mess around and put him in the outfield as well.
Ken watts
I dont think bryant wins this one. Cubs didnt break any rules. The rules actually set it up so teams can do this. I think the ruleing will eventually change the rules in the future, as all teams have done this at one time or another. While i love bryant and what he brings to the team. It might be time to trade him. Send him to cleveland. Then we wont have to face him. Im sure they would give up something of value for him.