With the 2019 MLB season officially wrapping up in a matter of hours, much of the league is fully turned toward the upcoming offseason. We’ll track some American League news here.
- Daniel Vogelbach started 49 games at first base for the Mariners in 2019, but that’s not likely to happen again, reports Corey Brock of the Athletic. Never regarded as an especially strong defender, some in the Mariners’ organization believe Vogelbach’s offensive downturn in the season’s second half (71 wRC+, compared to a 136 wRC+ in the first half) was related to his playing the field more than was ideal. With Vogelbach looking like a pure DH, the Mariners could again turn first base over to Austin Nola, a 29 year-old rookie who slashed .269/.342/.454 in 267 plate appearances down the stretch. Nola’s capable of bouncing all around the diamond, including catching, and is probably best served as a multi-positional piece. Fortunately, top first base prospect Evan White is on the doorstep of the majors and has a chance to win the job early, perhaps even out of spring training, Brock adds.
- The Red Sox could be facing payroll constraints and have a number of high-priced but effective starting pitchers. With that in mind, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News hears that the Rangers have internally kicked around the idea of pursuing one of those arms in trade. Texas is planning to increase payroll in 2020, after all. While much of that attention has focused on a potential pursuit of Gerrit Cole or Anthony Rendon in free agency, that flexibility can certainly be put to use in trade as well. Grant speculates that any of Chris Sale, David Price, or Nathan Eovaldi could be targets. Of course, given the caliber of players (particularly Sale and Price) and amount of money involved, any trade scenario would be extremely complex.
- Speaking of the Red Sox, Alex Speier of the Boston Globe takes a fascinating look at the career of Brian O’Halloran. Part of the four-person interim front office crew (alongside Raquel Ferreira, Eddie Romero and Zack Scott) who ran baseball operations between the departure of Dave Dombrowski and the hiring of chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom, O’Halloran was promoted to general manager at the time of Bloom’s hiring. Speier’s piece, certainly worth reading in full, is rife with quotes from O’Halloran’s colleagues lauding his work ethic and aptitude and details his rise from volunteer to jack-of-all-trades within the organization.
- The A’s have an uncertain mix at second base, and three young players have a chance to stake their claim to the job next spring, reports Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle. Sheldon Neuse, Franklin Barreto and Jorge Mateo should all have a shot at earning the job, assuming none are traded in the coming months. Jurickson Profar may, too, Slusser notes, although it’s possible he’ll end up elsewhere following a disappointing season with a projected $5.8MM arbitration salary. Slusser doesn’t foreclose the possibility of an outside addition, something explored by MLBTR’s Connor Byrne in his A’s offseason outlook, but it’s nonetheless notable to hear the organization continues to have faith in its young infield options.
B-Strong
The Red Sox org would likely be over the moon if they were to try and facilitate a trade for Price.
Tha Dilla
would the still be over the moon if they had to take on that last yeat of Choos contract.
sorroxi
Yes, They absolutely would 100%
Choo would replace JD or Mookie or even JBJ if he’s Traded.
spinach
I think something built around Choo for Price would make a lot of sense, particularly if Martínez opts out.
muskie73
According to this website, David Price has a trade value of a negative $69.9 million and Shin-Soo Choo a trade value of a negative $13.5 million:
baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/
The Rangers aren’t making that trade.
deweybelongsinthehall
I don’t see a trade but forget trade value in fantasy dollars. if Texas wants to secure pitching, they could easily take a shot on Price. Sale until he performs consistently for a full year simply has too much money left.
User 4245925809
Sale has also been one of the top SP’s in the game for numerous seasons.
Don’t really get the knocking on finishing a season, except for 2019. He’s not made less than 25 starts the last 3y and upwards of 32. The guy would gladly go 9IP every single time if cora would let him, more than some.
I’d take a rotation full of guys with his mentality over a cpl others know of.
sorroxi
Dallas morning news says they’re interested in pitching. Price for Choo makes sense.
southbeachbully
@sorroxi
Does it? Choo had a good year and owed 1/$21 mil where as Price had a “eh” performance but missed half the season. That;s the second time he’s missed significant amounts of the season in the last 3 years and has $96 mil left on his contract which runs until age 36. Choo might be overpaid but he’s going into the last year of his contract. A mediocre pitcher is worth more than a mediocre DH but with Price’s injury history coupled with his age makes it a high probability that he’s not going to give you even average production over the life of his deal.
deweybelongsinthehall
Look at his splits, he does not end seasons strongly. Reminds me of Bruce Hurst who was dominant in 86 but he started that year on the DL which accounted for how he ended the year strongly, as the team’s best starter down the stretch and in the playoffs.
jorge78
Choo in that hitters park?
Interesting…..
rocky7
Given that they would have 1 year of Choo and Price is signed through 2022 which is 3 years….DUH…YES!
retire21
She’s up over the moon.
She whistles nonsense tunes.
She wants drinks for everyone.
jorge78
And the song is?
retire21
Annie Get Your Gun by Squeeze
dlevin11
Price might actually perform better in Texas since he has spent most of his career in the AL East (Rays, Jays and Red Sox) and AL Central (Tigers). Thus he would have to pitch less games vs the Yankees and Rays. As a special bonus he would not have to pay state income in Texas either.
deweybelongsinthehall
The west is just as strong with Houston and the A’s leading the way. Don’t kid yourself. Key to which is stronger might be the youngsters in Toronto.
firegibby
What price’s career numbers in Texas are awful.
GhostOfChanHo
New ballpark for 2020, not sure price is the way to go but playing indoors on turf will change everyone’s results from previous years.
Hibbie
Know I would be over the moon to get rid of Price and it has nothing to do with how he pitches. Eat some of his money plus package Mookie with him for some good prospects.
pinballwizard1969
Jorge Mateo is out of options so he either has to make the club or he’s a FA.
Screamer
Barrett is out of options; Mateo hasn’t made his ML debut yet
arc89
Strange how Mateo is listed with no options left. It must be a mistake. Barretto is out of options.
GothamNeedsMe
Out of the three I see Price as the most likely, packaged with other MLB talent (Benny, JBJ). I still think Sale is going to be a dominant pitcher if they stop trying to throttle his spring. Last year was an outlier and happened to be the time Cora and Levangie completely changed his preparation. I get the premise, but not sure that’s the right idea for every type of pitcher. Sale has always been a high inning guy.
Michael Birks
They aren’t gonna part W/ Benny
GothamNeedsMe
I’d be furious.
deweybelongsinthehall
Depends on the return. Hypothetically he could bring back significant young talent and/or minimize the inclusion of money if packaged with Price. I expect mire next year from Benny but this is the year to trade him as next year either his value declines or you have to start paying him bigger bucks. If Mookie stays, to me Beeny is the one to trade to create a spot in left in more games for JDM who I expect will stay. If Benny stays, maybe JBJ goes in a trade with 5he Mets for Ramod.
AtlSoxFan
Trading benny this year would be selling low and a bad idea of you’re after maximizing return.
He lost part of what made his game so strong when he tried to bulk up last year. His plan for 2020 is get back to what previously worked so well. If that happens you’d regret sorely having only gotter a little salary relief for trading him, particularly if mookie leaves town and you’re left with an outfield of…. who? JBJ and… nobody?
Vandals Took The Handles
The issue Sox fans that come on here aren’t grasping is that the player(s) they want to off are radically overpaid in relation to how they’re performing on the field.
The Sox are shopping – or considering shopping – them in order to save money. That’s understandable, they want to bring payroll down.
But FO’s (and owners) of potential trading partner teams were not born yesterday. They will not take on those salaries in trade. So the Sox have to 1) cover a good portion of the salary even though the player(s) will no longer be performing for them, and/or 2) create a package which include players that are being underpaid compared to what they produce on the field.
I’m sure Mr. Bloom is already looking at the possibilities.
JoeBrady
The issue Sox fans that come on here aren’t grasping
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I’ve never seen a fan or a serious post that doesn’t think we’d have to eat salary for some players. It is always a matter of who and how much.
GothamNeedsMe
Agreed. Blanket statements about any fan base are ridiculous. In this specific scenario, the majority of commenters agree that price will be packaged and will also come with eaten salary too. Paying money now to dump money for the next 3 years is a good idea.
Vandals Took The Handles
JoeBrady;
I read the posts above before I wrote that.
GothamNeedsMe
Read the posts you mentioned and didn’t see any that stood out as thinking the Sox wouldn’t eat any money. Names thrown around in exchange but you may have read too much into the scenario assuming that “Sox fans” expected a straight trade.
JoeBrady
And did even a single one of them suggest that the RS could trade Price without eating salary?
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
Yes that’s a very complicated difficult to understand concept that most of us uneducated ignorant Sox fans can’t seem to get our heads around. Thanks for helping out, you’re a stand up guy.
steve dolan
Price and JBJ for who ?
GothamNeedsMe
It would depend on what team? Can’t say specifically, that was just an example. Admittedly that’s tough. JBJ is amazing defensively but ~11M projected this year is a bit to eat for his offensive gaps. So, just an example with JBJ.
jorge78
Who would the Rangers send besides Choo? Bet the RS
would demand Gallo…..
GothamNeedsMe
The article with Choo and Odor going to the Sox was interesting. That likely means the Sox don’t eat much, if any, of Price’s contract.
rocky7
Regarding Sale….he may very well round back into the Sale that everyone is used to but that does also include him running down each year sometime around August and limping into the regular season finish…..the “throttling” you mentioned only happened this past Spring, yet his issues with running out of gas have been for the last 3 years…each at the same time around August. It probably has more to do with his all out mechanics and is physical stature than anything the coaches are doing or not in the Spring.
deweybelongsinthehall
Surprisingly I agree with you Rocky. Until he has a strong August and September I’ll continue to believe he’s not dependable when you need him most. As a Sox fan, I’d love to post how wrong I was next Labor Day.
Kevin28786
I hate when writers use the word “piece” when talking about a player.
Steven Chinwood
Yawn
Kayrall
Of course
*cough* *cough*
jorge78
Hey, Kevin has a heart…..
richt
Preach, also when they say “org” or “velo” like they think they work in a front office or are scouts
myaccount
Wow, richt. Two asinine comments on the same post. Congrats on your stupidity.
JoeBrady
That’s ok richt. Whoops, I meant to say ‘okay’.
I have no idea why anyone would object to using common abbreviations in a post.
myaccount
No one cares
Michael Birks
Right, no one cares about your over critical posts…get a life
Michael Birks
And there is an extra comma there-professor
jorge78
Blanket statement.
You should work for
the United Nations
since you speak for
everybody…..
deweybelongsinthehall
Kevin, I agree as I also hat the phrase “trade chip”.
Matt Tobin
David Price for Will Myers, who hangs up?
Padres get a decent veteran they want to guide their young pitchers.
Red Sox get a meh 1B/ OF(If Betts is move) and save some money.
bobtillman
Send over the papers……Myers probably won’t hit until he has to (2 years from now) but Price is pretty much done….and Fenway can’t hurt Myers, while Petco would help Price…..
Eckersley would approve….
Vandals Took The Handles
bob;
I doubt the Padres owner would green light taking a larger bad contract back in order to dump a smaller bad contract. My reading is that he’s already fed up with Preller and his BS.
The clock is ticking. It may start with Bochy or someone else, but I assume the owner is already making plans to restructure the FO and baseball management side for 2021. He jumped into Preller as a neophyte a few years ago. He’s been burned. He’ll put his ducks in line this time.
spinach
Price is not pretty much done, he is just not nearly as good as he was five years ago. I cannot name sixty pitchers a contending team would want in its rotation (salary aside, just hoped for/expected performance) next year. Which makes him a solid number two. (Which I wish just had in the bathroom a minute ago.)
bobtillman
HOLD ALL CALLS! WE HAVE A WINNER FOR REPLY OF THE YEAR!!!!
Please ascend your throne, Your Majesty……
jorge78
Throne!
LOL!
bostonbob
Bob so would a lot of sox fans.
JoeBrady
That’s not even close. My guess is that Price delivers 7.5+ WAR over the next three years. That costs you $96M. Myers costs $68.5M/3. I’ll pay the extra $27M/3 for someone that can actually win when he is not hurt.
jorge78
Isn’t WAR
overvalued?
I mean, who
decided?
JoeBrady
I’m not a purist. Price pitched well last year, when he pitched. His K/9 was a career high, and 11th in the league. His K/W was 15th, Most of his numbers were within range of his career numbers.
jorge78
Padres have a pitching coach for that…..
pasha2k
Omg I’ll be so upset if one of the Redsox pitchers get traded. They need to trade Mookie, unless JD get greedy n wanna try FA again to fill Boras’s pockets.
sorroxi
If they Trade Price, & have someone else take Choo’s package Mate. Then they can keep JD AND Mookie.
Basically they have to say Goodbye to 1 of JD, Mookie, Or Price.
AtlSoxFan
Ship out mookie and JD.
Mookie brings you long term pieces for a 1 year rental. You know he’s going FA so you can sign him back if wanted.
JD isn’t worth the long term expense at his age. Plenty of guys hit HRs these days are a more affordable salary.
Price isn’t worth moving. By the time to add what it costs to send him out, and add the cost of a similar production replacement, you come out behind.
richt
“Profar may, too, Slusser notes”
MLBTR really needs to hire an editor. So much of what they write could be much easier to read.
Cue the white knights calling me a freeloader because I’m complaining about a free access site… yawn,…
myaccount
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that sentence. It’s grammatically correct and not difficult to comprehend.
spinach
But it dsnt txt well.
jorge78
HUH!!??
pinstripes17
there is absolutely nothing wrong with this sentence, take your crying elsewhere.
JoeBrady
How would you re-write ‘Profar may, too’ to make it easier to read?
jorge78
Demand your money back!
Better yet, rewrite the whole post and send it in to MLBTR
to repost. I’m sure they will appreciate it!
Phanatic 2022
How much salary would the Sox have to include to get rid of price with no prospects attached?
GothamNeedsMe
Ugh, you saw him last year. A lot?!
AtlSoxFan
Depends who they take back. It wouldn’t surprise me to see a complicated bad contract swap in a trade where the redsox include ZERO money in 2020, but kick in cash 20201-onwards. Other option being taking back a bad contract where sox pay zero outbound in 2020 and the player coming in is paid waaay down for 2020 but then no cash kicked in following years.
Basically manipulate the cbt hit to help drop under the limit for 2020 and figure the rest out in 2021 onwards
JoeBrady
Ballpark, imo, ~$54M. The way I see it, the RS will piggyback Price onto Betts. For a team like LAD, who needs an SP, and might be looking at an over the top move, they might not completely object.
A guy like Price might have a wide range. A poor team can’t come close to his salary. A team with money might see Price as an expensive means to an end.
SG
Seems like that would lose the Red Sox minor league players.
Price is a dog.
Betts is a star.
Why combine the 2?
Betts will get you more without the baggage of Price.
Interesting how everyone thinks Price is -69.9 all the way.
He might have the lowest trade value in all of baseball. LOL
This is a perfect example of what can go wrong with a long term high priced FA older player contract.
Lets not repeat the mistakes of the past please.
Unfortunately they are considering trading Betts becuase of Price.
The clubhouse cancer has claimed another victim.
SG
The Red Sox may be better off trading Price for Stanton and get cash considerations back from the NYY.
AtlSoxFan
In no way does that ever make sense.
NYY aren’t giving about… oh 150 in cash considerations to the RS. How well did Stanton stay on the field this year? He only has about a decade more on his deal.
Nevermind gis trade protections and the like.
SG
I meant the comment facetiously … LOL
The NYY have an even worse deal on the books than the Red Sox.
Boston should stop making bad moves like Price going forward just to show Red Sox fans they are competing with the NYY.
Finally I would like to thank Baseball Trade Values for quantifying just how bad a financial deal players actually are to their respective teams.
JoeBrady
Clubhouse Cancer is what the writers always fall back on. They used it Lackey and others, and players that were very popular in the clubhouse.
And of course Price will cost us prospects coming back, but in BB, money = prospects.
And I doubt the RS are only considering trading Betts because of Price. It is just one more option for long-term improvement.
Socrates Curveball
David Price is guaranteed $96M through 2022 with a $31M luxury tax figure. Rougned Odor is guaranteed $36M through a 2023 Option Buyout. At 3 Yrs $60M David Price might still be a negative value contract, but Rangers would unload their early extension mistake Odor. Potentially Rangers throw in a pitching prospect or 2?
Chris Sale is a complicated matter. Just entering Yr1 of a 5 Yr $145M deal and his body type / arm action has always raised concerns durability wise.
Sale extension might’ve been seen as a huge trade chip when signed. Does Chaim Bloom shift quickly towards rebuilding the system? Or is it a slow process.
JoeBrady
You’d need a lot of medical input on Sale. Price can still pitch, but he is no longer great ad no longer reliable.
Sale, OTOH, might no longer be reliable, but he was one of the best pitchers in BB for about 3 months. From 4/28-7/23, he had a 3.22 with a 158/25 K/W in 100.2 IPs. Even in his penultimate game, he threw 8 shutout innings with a 13/0 K/W. That’s impossibly good.
But he can just as easily go under the knife. I just hope they are being truthful with his injury, and not trying to sucker someone into trading for damaged goods.
Bruin1012
While Price is no longer a top arm he is still a quality big league pitcher.
If you look deeper at Price last year his advanced metrics say he pitched much better then his ERA. He had, by far, the highest babip against him of his career. This suggests he was unlucky last year. It is not hard to imagine him turning it around next year. The real question is if he is healthy or not or if he can stay healthy. When healthy he is a solid pitcher maybe not a number 1 anymore but still plenty good to be a 2 or 3.
The only problem is he is being paid like a 1 but seriously some of these trade proposals where the Red Sox take on Will Myers contract or Odor’s contract just makes no sense from the Red Sox perspective unless they are sending some quality prospects back with those terrible contracts.
JoeBrady
Most of them make no sense. Price is surely overpaid, but Myers and Odor, so far, are common players. We have guys like Chavis & Holt that fill a similar role. But while Price is overpaid, he is still good. 29-15 with a 3.75 ERA over the past three years.
SG
Yea, you have to “look deep” to see value in Price. LOL
Why make lemonade out of lemons?
It’s a sunk cost. Just accept he is worthless.
He sucks and no one wants him including Boston.
He’s the laughing stock of the league.
He’s laughing all the way to the bank though.
But John Henry isn’t.
That’s what sleaze bag players like Price do.
Makes it tough to make a deal like that again.
Bruin1012
As I pointed out above Price is not worthless he just isn’t worth 31 million a year.
If the Sox bought his contract down to 15-18 million a year teams would jump all over that.
I just think Price pitched in a little bad luck last year and is better then he pitched last year. I also believe he isn’t worth what he is getting paid but worthless you couldn’t be more off that’s just not the case.
JoeBrady
As I pointed out above Price is not worthless he just isn’t worth 31 million a year.
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SG is just trolling at this point. Even guys like Myers and Hosmer, who I have no use for, still have value if SD eats enough salary. And Price is much better than them.
JoeBrady
You just dig your hole deeper when you say he is worthless, I’d bet real money he has at least a 2.0 WAR.
jorge78
The Rangers trading for one of the Red Sox old, expensive, overpaid and downward trending pitchers!!??
Balderdash!!!!!
Rike Metro
Angels should show interest in Price.
Justin Upton (3/+/-$72m) + Zach Cozart (1/+/-$12m) for Price (3/+/-$93m)?
Sox get two position players and save some $, Angels get top tier pitching that they need.
Bruin1012
Red Sox say thanks but no thanks.
AtlSoxFan
That reads as negative 7 or 8 million in trade to me. Price 31m in 2020. Justin 27m + Zach 12m = 39m.
The purpose of the exercise is to get under the tax in 2020. Not INCREASE 2020 salary just to save 4m in 2021/22 while losing a better than average rotation piece for something the sox don’t need.
Now maybe you meant that money would be coming to the Sox every year, but even then, not really a deal that makes sense.
Had waiver trades still been a thing price wouldbe one to toss on there and maybe just let get claimed. That ship is departed and sunk
SG
Here’s some further considerations on Price.
You’re “unlikely” to get much in return for him right in here.
Also right in here the Red Sox would have to likely pay a team to take him.
Cutting him aka Sandoval seems unlikely and probably unwise.
The Red Sox could wait until he is producing and unload him then.
It’s in Price’s interest, at some point to produce again as his contract expires after 2022. So he has no where to go but up.
Assuming he wants to stay in baseball in 2023 and beyond.
He’ll be easier to unload as we get closer to 2022 or if he plays better.
This should be etched into every owner’s mind when huge contracts like this go bad.
Thus, think twice about getting into these situations going forward.
It’s also something fans should reflect on as this type of contract inhibits a team from giving a meaningful contract like this to a player like Mookie Betts as the money just isn’t there without Luxury Tax penalty.
As Mookie corectly observes “Baseball Is A Business”.
brooklyn62
…Vogelbach is a slug(here).