Yankees GM Brian Cashman provided injury updates on several key players today, according to a tweet from Marc Carig of The Athletic (link). Starter Masahiro Tanaka had a procedure to remove spurs from his right elbow, and slugger Luke Voit had a procedure done to address an injury in his core. However, the most notable revelation is that outfielder Aaron Hicks will ultimately opt for Tommy John surgery to address the flexor strain in his right arm. That surgery will likely place him on an eight-to-ten month recovery timeline.
Needless to say, the last eight months have been something of a worst-case scenario in regard to the seven-year, $70MM extension Hicks signed with the club back in February. Coming on the heels of three mostly excellent years to start Hicks’ Yankees career, the extension appeared to lock in a defensively capable center fielder and top prospect finally rounding into offensive form. With Hicks sidelined for the majority of the upcoming 2020 season, the pact is now likely to be placed under the microscope by New York-area observers.
It’s fair to wonder how Cashman might proceed in attending to Hicks’ absence. Does this increase the chances of Brett Gardner resigning in New York? Gardner filled in capably in center for much of the 2019 season, logging acceptable UZR (3.1) and DRS (-2) metrics at the position. Mike Tauchman also shouldered a portion of the load in covering for Hicks this past season, but it’s uncertain if he would be counted on as a full-time option there for 2020.
In an injury-limited season that did see him manage a return for the Yankees ALCS appearance, Hicks logged a .235/.325/.443 batting line (102 wRC+) in 255 plate appearances. The outfielder will account for a base salary of $10.5MM in 2020.
One more injury for the Yankees. Ouch.
Holy S! Another year of Brett Gardner gezz it never ends another year I don’t watch.
Why are you so against Gardner?
didnt he lose his mind earlier in the year?
louie is clint fraziers burner account.
@Joe Says…
Ahhh…..THAT would explain it. Haha.
You can’t be serious? Guy goes blind in the playoffs. Seriously?
Completely agree. Time to move on, we hold on to our players like a Pope holding on to his job. Guy’s going to 37. We have Frazier and Tauchmann on the cheap.
Bruh I deserve to hold onto my job.
@Louiebeans
The entire regular season is 162 games. You don’t evaluate someone based off of a 7 game series. Even Mike Trout has under-performed in his brief taste of the post-season. You think the Dodgers should dump Kershaw just because he sucked in the post-season? Do you not realize that Gardner was one of the main reasons the Yanks stayed afloat when they literally had Judge, Stanton and Hicks on the IL for an extended amount of time? What GM wouldn’t want to have a 3.6 WAR outfielder than can play LF and CF, provide good defense and do other little things Gardner can do? Not to mention he had 28 homers, most of which came away from Yankee Stadium. As long as it’s a 1 year deal under $10 mil then it should be a no brainer. Otherwise, the Yanks would have to go out and find a replacement for both Gardner AND Hicks and I would not want to pin my hopes to a Tauchman type because we can’t think it’s going to go as well as it did last year with discarded players from other organizations that have blossomed with the Yanks. Right now it’s Frazier and Tauchman. Gardner at the worst can play CF or be a 4th OF if someone else enters the picture.
@mpc5150
What are you guys missing? Gardner had a 3.6 WAR (ranked 6th among CF/LF) on a 1 year $8 mil. Zero risk. Also, he’s proven and Frazier, who I like a lot and would love to see him get a fair shot in LF, and Tauchman are not. It’s not like Gardner would be blocking anyone. Run it back on a 1 year deal and if he regresses then demote him to back up 4th OF and let him walk after 2020. It would be absolutely reckless to let him walk considering how many players, including Judge, Hicks, Stanton, Frazier and Tauchman all ended up on the DL and most of them can’t play CF at a high enough defensive level.. Get past your personal dislike of him or how he sucked in a 6 game span.
The entire lineup except for Torres and LeMahieu went blind in the ALCS. Not just Gardner. Plus we all know his on field play isn’t the whole reason he’s kept around, just like CC last year. He’s a veteran leader and good clubhouse guy for them. This isn’t MLB The Show it’s real life, that stuff actually has meaning here.
I am not a Yankee fan, but I have always liked Gardy. He is a real dirt dog and a pain in the neck to any opposing team. Guy leaves it all on the field every day. Don’t understand all the hate either. 7 years w/ at least 140 games each year. 4 WAR in 2019. Can’t ask for much more than that.
Frazier can’t play the outfield… at all…
Little Louie—you are the one who turned blind in the playoffs. Do you remember his big homerun? We all know that since Mrs. Beans shut you off years ago, you life revolves around Penthouse Magazine. After stopping your late night group chat with Geeson and the boys, she knew it was the only thing to satisfy your hard- n.
So as a fellow poster, I want to give you some friendly advice. Get your eyes checked.
He’s explained time, and time again. The guy has the right to his opinion.
@PopeMarley
We all a right to an option but base it on something more than a 6 game span. He’s acting like Gardner was the reason the Yanks didn’t make it past the Astros.
And southbeach, blind Marley likes to stick up for his anti Yankee guys. They are both knuckleheads spewing their anti Gardy, anti CC, and anti Cash stupidity.
These knuckleheads are really angry Mets fans.
Or maybe Cashman is a total fraud who deserves all the criticism that comes his way. He came into prominence on the heels of Stick Michael’s great work then bloated payroll and drove the franchise into the ground. Then he signed every free agent in 2009 and it worked. Now it’s 10 full years since they’ve won it all. But I’m glad you feel he isn’t worthy of criticism.
Also, nice Rich Vos reference.
Looking forward to another year of Brett the Jet!
Brett Gardner was one of our best players this year. If you refuse to watch the Yankees because you don’t like ONE player, you’re not a fan. Go away troll.
Unless that player is like Osuna or Chapman…
Agreed. If say Osuna or Addisson Russell were on my team, I’d turn in my tickets.
Careful with that. You had a guy od on your team this year. You think he’s using alone every day on the road. There’s are least a couple more shady characters around the Angels.
I mean, if you want to boycott a team because you don’t like someone who they pay to do a job, you better be a nudist who boycotts clothes that are produced through slave labor. Which is literally every garment not made in the US.
I don’t understand how people can boycott sports because someone on their favorite team did a bad thing years ago when he was on a different team and served his suspension, but are okay wearing name-brand clothes made in third-world countries in factories where women and children are regularly raped and abused while earning little to no money for the garments you willingly shell out hundreds of dollars for. One of these things is unregulated and unchecked, and it is not the guy who smacked his girlfriend. He suffered his consequences.
Yankees have Chapman and German now. They lead the league in scumbags.
@Louiebeans
I’m convinced Gardner must have had relations with someone you wanted. Don’t be jelly. Just move on.
Regardless of his lack of production in the playoffs he still had a 3.6 WAR season and that’s worth another 1 year deal. He can still play defense and my guess is, will be our starting CF with Tauchman and Frazier splitting LF duties. I can’t see them going after a pricey FA. And I can’t see him spending prospects for an OF either.
It highlights why we should try and keep every position player we had at the end of the year with EE being the exception. You can never have too much depth. Things have a way of whittling away depth. My guess is they might bring Maybin back on a 1 year deal too.
He’s a piece of Garbage that can’t cut it playoff time.
Nobody wants this guy up in the post season with the game on the line. Period!
@Louiebeans
162 games @ 3.6 WAR > than 5 games in the post-season. Keep in mind he did it when Judge, Stanton, Hicks, Frazier and Tauchman were all on the IL or in AAA (Frazier).
Hey bean head-you said the same thing in spring training. Then Gardy goes into a career year with a higher slugging % than your two “must haves”, Machado and Harper.
Yo, while Gardner’s not a superstar player, he’s been a stable piece for the Yankees for a long time. Any team would benefit by having a guy like that.
Louie’s hierarchy: natural disasters, global warming, famine, Brett Gardner.
It’s the greatest show on mlbtr network!
^THAT was funny.
0% chance Louie believes in global warning, especially when it’s cold outside!
We will take him in Boston anytime. Plays hard every game and shows up. Rest of the babies IR sore this sore that.
To Louie…..I liked watching Popeye(=Gardner). I’m not a Evil Empire fan but he’s a pesky hitter who makes the other teams work hard.
I knew it!
Gotta admit…. He was pretty good for 3 weeks a couple of years ago.
Don’t get this started. he had a fine season in 2018 and the extension looked like a great idea and still looks ok. Early in the offseason so they should hopefully get him back by july-August.
@Judge Judy
He did have that 3 run homer vs the Astros. If he can stay healthy, and I guess that’s the point, he’s a top 5 CF. Even with all the time he’s missed since 2017-19 he still ranks 10th in WAR among all CF.
And @Louiebeans, guess who ranks just ahead of him? Brett Gardner at #8.
“If he can stay healthy” He has never been able to. Twins were actually smart to get what they could.
@PopeMarley
Wow…just wow. The Twins got JR Murphy our 3rd string C who has amassed a total of 1.9 WAR in his 256 mlb career spanning 6 years while bouncing up and down between mlb and AAA.
Hicks has amassed 9.2 WAR just in his time with the Yanks (2016-19) and that’s with him missing about 200 games since we traded for him. Amazingly, he’s still ranked 16th among all CF in the last 4 years.
You want to stand by your commit that the Twins were smart, champ? He had a 5 WAR year and that’s 5x more WAR production that JR Murphy gave them and he’s now with the Dbacks where he spent most of 2019 in AAA. Must I continue??
WAR is such a fallible stat. I don’t care how much WAR he’s accumulated if he’s always hurt, and taking up valuable payroll.
@PopeMarley
You really still think a $11 mil salary is going to keep the Yanks from other roster moves? Really?
Take a look at where there current payroll is at, and the holes that need filling. Plus what they need in starting pitching. 11 million could help go for a much needed arm.
The Yankees fleeced the twins on that. JR Murphy did absolutely nothing for them and has been on 4-5 teams.
That’s one of the oddest comments I’ve seen in awhile.
1B-Voit/DJ/Ford
2B-DJ/Torres
SS/Didi/Torres
3B-Urshela/Andujar/DJ
C-Sanchez
RF-Judge/Stanton/Tauchman
CF-Gardner/Tauchman
LF-Frazier/Tauchman perhaps Maybin who stated he wants to be a Yankee in 2020
DH-Stanton/Ford
SP-They need an ace. Have Severino, Tanaka, Paxton, German, Happ and Montgomery to fill out 2-5
Bullpen-Ottavino, Britton, Green, Khanle. Cessa and possibly Betances and Chapman.
I don’t see too much heavy lifting other than retaining our own FA and acquiring a true #1 so we can push Severino and Paxton down a notch in the rotation.
They won’t re-sign their own FA’s if they spend a major amount on a SP of that magnitude. So many of those guys won’t preform up to the way they did in 2019..Ford,Tauchman,Urshela. Plus the inevitable German suspension.
We know going over that threshold again isn’t gonna happen with Hal holding the purse strings. I see some wheeling and dealing happening this winter, and that lineup you show could, and should look differently.
@PopeMarley
WAR is just a tool to reflect a player’s value. By no means is it gospel. But really, I shouldn’t have to use any metric to show how asinine your comment was. Yanks traded their 3rd string catcher to the Twins where he played26 AB with a crisp .413 OPS for Hicks who’s just in 2018 CLEARLY had superior career when he hit 27 homers, drew 90 walks and played stellar defense in CF. It’s not even an argument worth having and I feel stupid giving you this much of a response. A what point to use logic?
Hicks has to prove he’s worth his extension but CLEARLY they won the trade with the Twins and it’s not even close.
Dig your panties out dude he never said the Twins won any trade. Geesh you’re sensitive.
@PopeMarley
Can you please stop acting as if you’ve been sitting in on these meetings. Yanks take a couple of years to try and get the lux tax restarted and you guys are acting like they’re suddenly the Pirates.
They didn’t sign Corbin but they put that money into DJ, Britton, Happ, Ottavino. They acquired Stanton and his $325 mil contract. When you spend about $50 mil on your bullpen and have Ellsbury giving you nothing does that sound like they’re being frugal???
Geez…it’s either they’re cheap or they want to outspend everyone. How about it being in the middle somewhere?
If you acquire a Bugatti Chiron in 2018 and pass on the Lambo Aventador it doesn’t mean your cheap.
Then please stop trying to make everyone of your posts sound like a PR script from the Yankees. I have an opinion, and so does everyone on here, if you don’t like them don’t engage…real simple.
@Bocephus
” Twins were actually smart to get what they could.”
Ummmm….that clearly states he feels that the Twins were smart to trade away Hick for Murphy, a player who played all of 26 games on their roster and languished in AAA where as Hicks has become one of the better CF. It wasn’t a salary dump so please tell me how the Twins were better off for making the trade?
Dude I’m not sensitive but if someone makes a bold statement that clearly makes zero sense then, in this forum, it’s open season to talk about it. You have a right to be wrong too and you’ve expressed that right over and over and over.
amen.
Mr. Glass
Cespedes should like to have a word with you. or even Ellsbury
Devin Mesoraco
Amen. Ellsbury has now been out for two full seasons, and Cashman doesn’t sound optimistic about his 2020 chances.
nesn.com/2019/10/yankees-do-not-sound-optimistic-a…
“Right now he’s not someone in a position health-wise where I can answer anything in the affirmative,” Cashman said.
Rob Refsnyder has a new home.
Ouch. So the Yankees are effectively paying Hicks $70mm for 5 years, which comes out to $12mm annually. If he’s able to recover and stay healthy and productive for those 5 years, the Yankees will at least come out even.
When you consider the AAV of free agent contracts is skyrocketing, Hicks likely would have been in line for at least $12mm annually for 5 years on the open market, and at a premium position having just turned 30 on top of that. It won’t fall into the category of “steal”, but it’s not an automatic net loss because he’ll miss two years. He was going to get that money somewhere regardless.
$14M
Correct. My math was wrong, and that changes my opinion a bit. Still, it isn’t a reach to think he would have gotten similar money on the open market, so I’m fine with the Yankees paying that if they weren’t going to spend it on a better replacement, and there isn’t anyone on the open market that is a clear upgrade for that price.
Guys going to miss a good chunk of 2020 between rehab and getting the rust off. Yankees paid that contract knowing most the value would be in the forst 3 years of that deal. Just another flop contract. Doesn’t bode well for all other free agents out there lookong to secure a long term deal. Worst part is he could of had this surgery 3 months ago but opted not to.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it was 70/7.
@antibelt
He wanted to help his team in the playoffs. He did hit a 3 run home vs Verlander in the 1st inning of game 5 which the Yanks won 4-1. His homer was the difference as the Yanks couldn’t score on JV after that inning. He has heart. I’ll take that. I’m sure his contract is insured anyway so it won’t keep them from spending elsewhere. It’s “only” about $11 mil per.
When you consider the AAV of free agent contracts is skyrocketing,
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You literally could not pick up a newspaper, in any major American city last spring, not complaining about the collapse of the free agent market.
Having said that, it is still a reasonable contract. Assuming he misses all next year, but with no debilitating arm issues, then it is $52M/5, with some of that being the age 33-35 seasons.
LMK if you anyone in the EE wants the Price contract in exchange?
Yeah, I hadn’t realized how his contract is structured. Still, it isn’t a bad deal if he produces. It’s not hard to see him being able to perform defensively through his age 35 season and when most of his value is in the field, I’m fine with that.
As for the free agent market collapsing, that’s really only when we’re talking about big names looking for megadeals or former aces (Keuchel) refusing to sign unless it’s for much more than they’re worth. Guys like Hicks, at his age and position, are still getting $12mm annually like it’s nothing. 14mm annually is a bit much for him, but if he plays to a positive WAR defensively, it’s a win.
I thought it was a steal for the NYY, when they signed it. But the likelihood is that Hicks knew his arm was going to be a problem, and took the safe way out.
Inciarte & Folty for Sanchez ?????
lol you can’t be serious, can you? Why would the Yankees trade an offensive juggernaut like Sanchez just entering his prime for a mediocre-at-best CF and an awful SP?
If you want to talk about Riley then I’m sure Cashman would listen….
Sanchez is a poor defensive catcher that other than power also lacks offensively. I do not think he is a fit in the NL.
I wouldn’t say Hicks has been mostY excellent. I personally don’t like him he’s an injury concern even before this year. When they gave him that contract my first thought was wtf ok lets keep another player who will be hurt more than half the year.
@GeoEng88
For the Yanks, they are “only” paying him around $10.5 mil per year and I’m sure he’s probably insured. It won’t cripple them in any way.
it does in that even though “insurance is paying for it” it still counts against the cap. If you could exclude hicks and ellsbury due to their injury the yanks would have what 30-35 mil extra to spend against the cap? That is one hell of a starting pitcher you could afford for that.
Yankee fans, do you make this trade?
Yankees get Starling Marte giving up Clint Frazier, Florial, and a toss in like Contreras?
i’m on the hook, but not sure i’m throwing in florial just yet. If florial can be used (as part of a package) to get a legit SP than no…….
If I were the NYY, I’d do that.
Not for Marte, no. I recognize that Florial’s value is only going to go down, but I don’t include him AND Frazier for an OF when we don’t have a clear NEED for one. Frazier is already in the mix and Gardner will be happy to come back, so why do we need to move guys from a position of strength to add to said position?
One of them can go in a deal for a SP, but not both. I’d move Florial before I’d move Frazier unless it’s in a package for a true #1.
Say it’s not Florial then and it’s Gil or Schmidt. Neither are top 100 ranked, and likely won’t be. That way it’s Marte for 2 years 24 mil, gives you a path to Florial in two years.
Marte is younger than Gardner and while Gardner provides better defense I think Marte would play up in NY, and his offense would get a huge boost as well due to the other talent that would be hitting in front of and behind him.
If Huntington is out soon which could still happen, or not happen but if he is out I see a new GM moving on from Marte. I think Frazier would be the perfect target for a change of scenery and the Yankees get a solid piece for a potential need.
still worth only Frazier ( a younger version of Marte) plus some flyers….
@Macbeth
Take a top 100 list with a grain of salt please. How many prospects made a top 100 debut this year? Just because the “experts” don’t put a prospect on it’s list doesn’t mean they aren’t legit prospects.
The fact that they have Domingues listed on the top 100 and he’s only 16 and hasn’t played a lick of stateside ball is a bit of a mockery on how they view prospects imo. He COULD be a top future star but let him show us something first. As for Schmidt and Gil they are among the Yanks top pitching prospects. I have no idea how they will mature but seeing as how the cost for SP is so high I think it would be poor use to get Marte.
You won’t get Marte for Gil or Schmidt. Yankee fans always want something for nothing. The Pirates are not going to give him away.
@hockeyjohn
The person who made the trade proposal wasn’t a Yankee fan.
AllRiseForTheJudge
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There is every possibility that neither Florial or Frazier will ever start for the NYY. Florial hasn’t gotten out of A+ yet, with 98 Ks in 274 ABs last year. Frazier is not without talent, but just turned 25 with a career 126/28 K/W, and I doubt he ever sees CF.
I like Gardner a lot, but have also liked him for 12 years, which is a long time. Do you really want a 36 year old CF that had an OPS of .690 as recently as 2018?
I guess the better option is a 30 year old that averages 90 games a year with a lengthy injury history that will be coming off tj surgery? I guess they could also play the 36 yyr old that hasnt played in 2 years.
I prefer the guy that year in and out gives you consistent stats. and is willing to even take a discount to stay with the one team he knows and goes all out for.
@Macbeth
I wouldn’t. Marte isn’t that much of an upgrade is he? He’s 31 so likely hasn’t much upside. His options are each more than what they can probably sign Gardner for. He’s a righty whereas Gardner is 1 of only 2 lefties they have, assuming Didi is resigned and Mike Ford is somewhere else other than Yankees’ 2020 1B. The metrics weren’t that high on his defense this year although he was above average last year and years prior.
Gardner hit for more power, walks twice as much. is lefty, has show he can handle NY and is kind of the team’s unofficial captain I would say.
Also,I’m assuming the Contreras you’re referring to is Roansy Contreras and he had a really good 2019.
Turns 20 in November and was 12-5 in 132 IP @ low A. Had a 3.33 ERA and his velocity increased this year as he sits in the 94-97 range. Another one of those hard-throwing Latin pitchers they have in the minors. I think he cracked the top 10 org ratings this year. No guarantee with those kids but I wouldn’t use him in a trade for a bat. Yanks have had a lot of success with hard throwing kids with solid control.. I can see him in A+/AA next year.
I doubt the Pirates would want Frazier as the main piece anyway. Florial still remains more projection than production at this point. He has regressed, mostly due to injuries, in the last 2 years. Not saying he can’t turn things around and show the power, speed and walk-ability he did in 2017 and 2018 but he has to start showing.
welcome back brett gardner for another addition of overachiever in the regular season and prime member of the post season DBS. For the record I would still not resign him,. but cash the genius will.
Ugggh. it never ends.
Now Hicks who is already over 30 becomes another member of the dead money club that cashman has collected. except this gift will keep giving for another 6 years
Yanks GM 101 renovation:
1- trade Stanton and cash to Dodgers for AJ Pollack! Yes highly unlikely but it’s on my wish list.
2- Sign 1 of Cole (top option), Strasburg if available, Bumgardner, Wheeler.
3- offer Didi 3 year contract at 10mill per and if he rejects look into trade for Lindor as long as the price does not include Uber prospect Jasson Dominguez! (German, Devi Garcia, Flores, and Abreu is a huge haul)!
4- Chapman opts out? Good riddance! Re-sign Betances and have Britton close.
5- Last we need a solid defensive catcher who we can utilize in big games to platoon with Gary and then Gary can play some first and DH along with Andujar and either Voit or Ford!
Better be a ton of cash. The Yankees still owe Stanton 9/214 and the Dodgers owe Pollock 4/47 assuming he exercises his player option. Both are made of glass. but I can’t imagine the Dodgers are too eager to take on that contract.
That’s not gonna get Lindor, and please God stop with the semiannual Stanton trade proposals. Go back to bed and dream some more.
Don’t be a tool! I notated it was not probable, more like a wish. As far as Lindor you have zero clue if that’s enough. That’s a 19 game major league pitcher with of course a domestic case, it’s the Yanks #1 prospect and a top prospect in baseball, it’s the Yanks #3 and #4 prospects as well and all of them at one time have been top 100 prospects ya. You have no clue other then being a jackass on this site what it will take not do I but to outright say it doesn’t why don’t you go onto fanside and look at their Yankee Cleveland trade idea before commenting on mine!
Not being a “tool”, and I could care less what trade proposals are being made on another site. Lindor is a proven Allstar, top 10 player, and arguably the best SS in all of baseball, so no way are unproven prospects plus a thug facing suspension gonna be enough. The Dodgers have no need for a behemoth contract attached to a often injured player, when their biggest need is in the Bullpen. If you knew anything about the Dodgers you’d realize the fantastic prospects they have on the farm that will be contributing for years to come. The Stanton trade was one of the dumbest trades in the history of all sports.
If Lindor actually does get traded, the Indians will not get a better package better than than the one suggested above.
Diehard Yankee fan here as well but why not floral? We got Hicks for six more years and they are not dealing ham and he will be back by August. If Laurel is what it takes to get a big-time starter I say do it.
Florial not Flores! Misspelling. I don’t think we have a Flores anymore. But I meant Florial in that deal.
Why would DIDi accept 10 mill a year
@billysbballz
Not attacking you but the Yanks don’t need a Lindor nor should a team that needs SP now and next year (with Paxton, Tanaka and Happ all being in the last year of their contracts) trade a solid #3 type like German (time will tell who he is) and their #1 pitching prospec?
I think it’s a poor use of resources, If Didi isn’t brought back then simply move Torres to SS and DJ can be the everyday 2B (although I like the fact he can move around the infield).
Plus I don’t think the Indians are in tremendous need for SP.. They could likely find a trade partner that satisfies their needs better than what you offered.
Billy, do you even look at the needs of the other team when proposing your trades? If you did, you would know that your package will never get Francisco Lindor. Cleveland is planning to contend in 2020 like the Yankees. Unlike the Yankees, the strength of the Cleveland Indians is starting pitching. So why would the Indians trade their best hitter, when they need hitting, for a package of pitchers? They would not. Before you answer me back with a package including Andujar and Frazier, the Indians value defense and don’t need players that will be likely DHs. There is no workable trade between the Indians and Yankees involving Lindor except if it involved Gleyber Torres and the Yankees will not do that so let’s end this useless discussion.
Why do people gets so offended with trade scenarios on a website dedicated to trade scenarios?
dobsonet, If someone posts a trade proposal on here then he or she should be prepared for approval or criticism. He said he didn’t know whether that would interest Cleveland and I stated that it would not interest the Tribe. Why are you so offended when someone doesn’t agree with a trade proposal? This site allows comments for people to discuss the topics. He shared what his wishes were for the Yankees and I share my thoughts that the Yankees and Indians do not match up on a trade. Aren’t we both allowed to share out thoughts. This is MLB Trade Rumors, not just a Yankee site.
Lol true
Cause only they can suggest the trade scenario
Lol
I agree. I like arguing trade proposals, but why get upset. The Stanton/Pollack proposal, for example. While I think there is no chance any NL team will trade for Stanton, it provides a different lens angle to view these things.
Too many people think in terms of Betts for ???. For a team that needs an RP, why can’t it be Betts + Workman for ???. Or for a team that needs an SP, and has money, why can’t it be Betts + Price for ???.
Trades are made with matchups. Stanton is a tough contract, AT THIS POINT, but Stanton + Dominguez + a ton of cash, for Lindor?
The point being that every player has a number on him. If JDM opts out, and the NYY offer Stanton to the RS, plus $15M per (+the $30M NY gets from Miami), I would take it. You can move almost any contract, if there is enough money attached to it. And you can acquire any player if you want to dump your farm.
JoeBrady, I agree with you to a point. I agree with you that you can acquire any MOST any player if you want to dump your farm. I think that it is a lot harder to move a bad contract. For example you used the example Stanton + Dominguez + a ton of cash for Lindor. I can tell you that one would never happen even if you provided 3/4 or more of the cash. Cleveland would never trade a great trade chip like Lindor for Stanton where a portion of money is tied up for that amount of time. A small market team can not afford to do this in case of player drop off and injury especially with Stanton’s injury history. Small market teams can not operate like the Yankees or Dodgers.
Hockeyjohn, it’s your tone. You talk condescendingly as if you sit in the GM meetings.
Dobsonet, If it is my tone, what about yours.? The Indians would not get a better trade offer? Are you in the room in trade discussions? Do you have sources for the other 28 major league teams that are aware of the Indians trade discussions.? You talk about my tone, what about your Yankee arrogance. Yankee fans think they have the best of everything. and that every team should bend over for them. Do you also think that the Indians have needs they would need to get in a Lindor trade? The Indians have Bieber, Clevinger, Kluber, Carrasco, Civale, Plesac and several others. Why would they want two pitchers as the main pieces in a deal? It does not make sense. I would even think that you might be smart enough to understand that.
I have followed the Indians since the 1965 season. I think I have a right to comment on a trade. Again, this is not a Yankee site, it is a major league baseball site.
HockeyJohn,
I get your frustration but the trade proposal I made was just a proposal based on the talent it would take to get Lindor knowing Cleveland will not resign him. Your condescending and it has nothing to do with Yankee fans but rather your arrogance.
I mentioned German who is a 19 game winner this season and he was the Yanks Ace along with the Yanks number 1 (P-Devi Garcia), 3 (OF Estevan Florial) and 4 (P-Luis Gil or Albert Abreu) prospects.
That’s sought of what it will take. You act as if Kluber is still an Ace and that rotation is the same rotation you had 2-3 years ago. Every rotation in baseball can use pitchers! Devi Garcia looks like he could be a star but yes he’s a prospect. German who is facing DV issues won 19 games and what team is trading that talent away? You don’t get how trades work. I was proposing the kind of talent it would take for Cleveland to deal Lindor. I actually had a few people say the Yanks would not give up that much when they can easily resign Didi and hope for a bounce back and not sacrifice that talent! But they are in win now mode and I don’t believe Cleveland is?
Billysbballz, Yes, It will take a good offer to get Lindor and for some teams your offer would be a good one. It is not, however, a good one for the Cleveland Indians. Cleveland’s strength is starting pitching. They have Bieber, Clevinger, Civale, Plesac, Kluber, Carrasco, Logan Allen, Rodriquez, Plutko and prospects. The Indians weakness in 2019 was hitting. If the Indians trade Lindor, it would not be to add to a strength, but to fix a need. A need that would grow larger by trading Lindor. I really don’t see way you guys can not understand that. It seems very simple to me. In any trade, both teams’ needs need to be met. Your trade would add to the pitching depth, but that is not what the Cleveland Indians need so they would move on to offers from other teams. Besides, I would imagine that German will be suspended for some portion of 2020.
Being a Yankee fan, you may or may not understand how small market teams have to do business. Small market teams don’t have the large fan base that New York has. Our TV contract does not bring anything near what money is brought in by the local Yankee TV contract. Yes, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, Oakland and other have to do business very differently. The Indians can make the amount of mistakes and survive as the Yankees can. An Ellsbury contract would kill a small market team like the Indians. The Indians would love to sign Lindor and I am sure that they will try again, but the money they have to work with does not match that of the Yankees, Dodgers, etc. Whatever they decide to do with Lindor, the move will have the best interest of the Cleveland Indians in mind for 2020, 2021, and beyond.
It seems to me that your comments back and especially Dobsonets make it sound that the Yankees will always have the best offer. It is that Yankee belief that they are the best and have the best of everything is why many fans of other teams hate the Yankees.
It is my belief that the Yankees and Indians do not match up in the trade market. And I am allowed my opinion as this is a public site. All these comments thrown back at me don’t change the fact that I am allowed my opinion and have a right to disagree with you. Let’s agree to disagree. If Cashman makes that offer to Mike Chernoff, the Indians G.M., Chernoff would decline the offer based on my long time experience and knowledge gained from being a fan of the Cleveland Indians.
Have a good night.
I love when people put players in silos and say things like “He’s the 5th best centerfielder”. It’s as if you got your hands on the 4th best centerfielder you would automatically improve your team. Meanwhile, every team that wins a WC almost always has a position player who is nowhere near the top player (think Red Sox catchers on the 2018 team). Every time that I have checked, and I’ve been checking the backs of baseball cards since 1962, baseball is a team game. You don’t need to worry about whether you’re ————– (fill in any position) isn’t anywhere near the top guy, rather you need to worry about the team as a whole. The statistics can get more and more complex and maybe even more accurate at individual value, but you still have to account for the team as a whole unit. Crappy pitchers eat innings in the games that you lose. That actually has value. Go figure.
@whyhayzee
Wow…Now that I know your age it makes all those weird “suspicious” comments you made in every Yankee post quite odd. I chalked it up to being some teenage troll.
No worries. The Yankees still have Jacoby Ellsbury under contract for next year.
he will come back bat .300 (go 3 for 10 against Baltimore) and Cash will resign him for 2 years 20 mil….
This team needs a serious retool in its philosophy. Pitching and athleticism will always trip this club up come the playoffs. Teams will continue to exploit their backstop, and just look how the Astros showed them how fundamental base running is done.
“With Hicks sidelined for the majority of the upcoming 2020 season, the pact is now likely to be placed under the microscope by New York-area observers.” There’s a sentence that really didn’t need to be written.
Hicks is a better golfer than baseball player…look it up.
I’m still scratching my head about the Hicks contract. For all the good moves Cashman has made over the past few years the Hicks signing and Stanton trade almost negate them all. Hicks has never been able to stay healthy and the same can be said of Stanton at this point. More dead money as far as I’m concerned.
Don’t forget Happ.
I tried to but you ruined it for me lol.
You seem to be an open minded Yankees fan, unlike some of these drones.
there are some of us here who do not have blinders on. I love the Yankees and went to 2 more post season games, but am utterly frustrated with the continued direction the genius takes em in.
Yanks likely to resign Gardner now for one more year.
How arrogant is Cashman? I mean how dare sweeny murti question the genius about the SP he failed to acquire.
He basically went on his usual mantra about being one or two plays away from playing in the WS and thus defending his bullpen and homer first mantra.
This team will come back with very few changes where it needs it. He has to go ASAP.
@fitsiqis65
a) Where did Cashman say ANYTHING in this article?
b) The Yanks beat the Astros twice, lost 1 game in the 11th inning and went into the 9th tied in the final game. How is that NOT a play or two away from heading to the WS?
c) Yanks basically need 1 ace and if they can add one to a team that won over 100 games without him, without Severino for most of the year, without Andujar, Betances and with a slew of injuries to other key guys like Judge then wouldn’t you say that greatly improves their chances?
Say what you want about how much better the Astros are but I don’t think the gap is as wide as some seem to think. But most of you will ignore that. Soo…oh and having German in the series could’ve helped too. But we’ll ignore those points because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Blinders!!!
@ cash lover/southbeach
1. he didn’t but i did not not see a piece here on his press conference yesterday
2. yes yanks won twice, however i learned in math early on that 4 is greater than 2, and the yanks lost 4 times. which again in simple math is twice as many as they won
3. Dude- you and i are different. You are happy making it to October, winning 100 games, and slugging 300 dingers. I am not. i want a damn parade. The Yankee rotation needs more than just 1 ace. It also needs a legit 2/3 who throws more than 5 innings a game against teams over .500 every time.. Injuries are a part of the game and these guys are hurt every year. its not an excuse its reality. altuve was hurt this year. half the stros rotation was hurt this year….
So once again babble on all you want- promote how great the happ and cc deals were and in the end i’ll do what my kid does when his hockey team beats another team 4-2 and a kid chirps- “scoreboard”
You arguments are just so pointless given the results…….
fitsiqis65, ouch that was harsh, but well deserved..kudos my man. I also love the Popes reply to this guy farther up about sounding like PR. Give me the parade and not the excuses please.
Thanks Steve- its just moronic. I bet the entire stros organization was frightened to death about facing German, and even wet their pants with glee when they heard he made Osuna look like mother T.
@fitsiqis65
Still waiting on my comment to be approved. smh
But I think it’s rather silly to say that German would’ve had no effect on the possible outcome of the Astros series. Just proof that you guys are completely illogical. No one knows what the outcome would’ve been but using him as opposed to an opener spares the bullpen. The fact you dismiss the idea that German and a sharper Severino who pitched more than 4 games all season would’ve had no effect makes me think I’m completely wasting my time talking to you. That has nothing to do with Cashman,
And yes, all teams deal with injuries but to mention Altuve, who has been back in the lineup since June to Hicks who hand’t played since Aug 3rd or Stanton who missed 148 games isn’t even a fair comparison. And again, I’m not using it as an excuse as to why we lost but rationalizing that
a) If the Yanks can sign Cole or Strasburg
b) If the Yanks can keep the majority of it’s key players healthy in 2020 then I think we can beat just about any team.
Finally, it’s very easy to “Monday morning quarterback”. Cashman ultimately will take the heat for whatever but I think it’s also important to look at his thought process and intent.
Cash didn’t get Cole but he did get Paxton and brought back Happ. And while many can trash him for Happ your trashing the performance of the player. Happ filled in many of the things the Yanks SHOULD look for in a SP. He had a history of success in the AL East. He has a lifetime record of
15-7 and a ERA of about 4. Now that INCLUDES his horrible 2019 home ERA which is almost 5 but that means his career ERA was under 4 prior to this season.
If you objectively look at his 2018 numbers of 17-6 with a .3.65 ERA/3.98 FIP which includes him going 7-0 with a 2.69 ERA when we acquired him then I can’t fault Cashman for giving him a 2 year deal. He limited his risk. He made the deal but it was a sound move. Happ takes the blame for not doing his job and not doing what he had a history of doing previously. And then he also acquired Paxton who ended up turning in a good season.. So while he didn’t get Corbin or Cole he did get two other SP that were better than what we had in 2018 other than Severino
So my point is,Cash will take the heat because it’s his job. You CAN fault him for Cole, Stanton and Ellsbury but most of his other moves were sound and logical (acquiring Grey, Happ, etc) and that although they didn’t have the right turnout it was a smart move nonetheless. Players have to do their job and when they don’t it’s the GM that takes the heat but it doesn’t mean it should not have been done.
But please…don’t question whether I want to win. I’ve seen 7 WS in my lifetime. I was there in the sad, sad 80s too. You’re right, the only thing that matters is winning and I’m sure that Cash and Hal will keep that fire in their belly. However, that doesn’t mean doing risky or stupid things in that pursuit. But Cash is NOT perfect and I’m not an apologist. But stop acting as if you’re the smartest guy in the room just because you don’t agree with everything. Any clown can comment and judge after the fact. Anyone can grade a trade after it happens. You have to judge the intent and the logic behind the move. If Cole had been traded to the Yanks and was the same pitcher he was in 2018 and Frazier or Andujar or whoever ended up having a great 2019 then I guarantee you would be crushing Cashman over that.
And for the record,. he SHOULD’VE traded for Cole if giving up Frazier and Adams was the ask. I’ve heard it was Torres they wanted in other articles so I’m not sure. So no, I don’t agree with every move he’s made. But I can see the thought process behind some of his deals and I’m ok with it. He can’t force a player to not fail. He can only put them in the best position for them to be their best.
Geez that was long..
Just a bit!
So your saying Severino or German isn’t a number 2?
Tanaka isn’t a 3?
Paxton a 4?
Are you watching Yankee baseball or do you just have anger issues and whine when they don’t win that they didn’t get every shiny toy?
You add Cole to that rotation and your set.
Then factor in Devi Garcia, Mike King, and a few more high end arms in minors and you have a solid fifth starter in case of injury.
Yes but spot on
no- I am saying they are basically 3’s on a championship caliber team…. why can’t you guys accept it. Only pax had an era under 4 at 3.82. everyone else had an era over 4., including the great German who’s ERA deteriorated over the course of the year.
If on any given day you can throw a dud or be a stud, you are a 3. They all have the capacity but lack any consistency.
Stop with severino- he was hurt all year. Yanks/we should be grateful he just came back and was able to throw.
On these 2 WS rotations, Yankee starters would be #4 on the stros and #5 on the Nats.
If they were ones or twos we’d be in the series, right? #1’s do what verlander and Cole did and go 7 innings. Yank starters pitched more than 5 innings in what percentage of their games?
You bash greinke, but yet if the yanks had gotten him he would have been our glorious #1.
You need a reality/perspective check.
You will also argue back with me and fight fact and try and act like you know wtf you are talking about. And i will simply respond “scoreboard:”. Because, my yanks lost and as many on the roster stated they “failed”
You guys are the same- All passion which is great, but no clue or brainwashed by the yankee PR dept. #1 Sp and some #2’s are great. the yankee starters are not great
If Severino was there all season he would’ve had a 1.80 ERA or lower because he was an ace in the postseason and the last week of September.
Your crazy!
Severino game back and yes he’s an Ace!
German pitches like an Ace most of the season! You are obviously not watching.
To say Paxton and Tanaka are not number two on most rotations not named Houston, NYM, and Washington is being uneducated. Only 3 staffs have those great top 3 but if the Yanks add an Ace then Severino is a fantastic if not great 2, Paxton who is a two is a 3, German who pitched like a 2 is now the 4th guy and then Tanaka who is great in big games!
Your angry and clueless.
Grienke is not the Ace on the Yanks! I’ll take Paxton, Severino, and a Tanaka before him everyday!
Your clueless.
Sorry, I’ll take a Severino, Tanaka, Paxton and German over Grienke! Grienke got some nice breaks because a Yanks offense shot the bed when he was in trouble just about every inning and the first game we knocked him out in 3rd inning! Clueless.
SCOREBOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Billy, You are really good at name calling at anyone that disagrees with you. Are you that insecure when people disagree with you? You must be very unhappy most of the time. It is either that or you are a bully and that is worse.
Hold up mr. sensitive. Saying your clueless for making clueless remarks such as the Yanks have all #3 starters and no #2 or even a potential 1 is clueless. So I called you clueless because that comment was exactly that. Your not thinking rational. Your trying to make a point based on your blind hatred towards the Yankees GM.aybe one day you will realize that Cashman is one if not the best GMs in all of baseball and while I don’t agree 100% on every decision I still would not trade him for any other GM in baseball. And for the record most of the time I disagree with Cash I’m wrong, at least 95% of the time, example: bringing back Gardy this season.
Wait you were defending the guy I called clueless? You are the Indians fan who came out swinging calling people names, being condescending and now your trying to reverse it by calling everyone else out? I get what your doing. No safe space here.
billy genius- when was the last time the Yankees won the world series? how many times in the last 15 years have they yanks been to the world series? what is the Yankees goal every year?
Billy, I looked back at every comment that I made in this thread and I never once called you or anyone else a name. On the other hand, you are calling people a tool or clueless.
Here is a summary of my comments on this thread:
1. Sanchez is a poor defensive catcher, which he is.
2. The Yankees could not acquire Starling Marte for either Gil or Schmidt
3. I disagreed that the Indians would take your trade proposal featuring two pitchers for Franscico Lindor. I questioned whether you looked at the needs of the Indians as they would never take a package featuring all pitching as the major pieces when their needs are much more on the hitting side,
4. I commented that it is my opinion that the Indians and Yankees do not match up well in a Lindor trade which is my opinion and right to share.
5. I also commented that ALL people can share their thoughts here, even non Yankee fans, as this is a public site discussing major league baseball.
6. Everyone who makes trade proposals in the comments section ought to know that they will see comments from others, pro or con. I did not agree with it and I responded from the Cleveland perspective.
7. I disagreed with another poster’s claim that your offer would be the best one that the Indians would receive. That will likely be proved to be untrue if the Indians do decide to trade Frankie.
Billy, you seem to get confrontational with any poster that does not agree with you. Try discussing with them reasonably and try to understand their viewpoints even if you don’t agree with them. Instead, you do what you blame me and others who disagree with you do. This is a place where fans of ALL teams are able to discuss MLB baseball. It is not a place where everyone has to agree with Billybballz. In fact, if you check back, I was not the only one who disagreed with you.
Sign Brett Garbage and call it an off season. That’s all this teams gonna do anyway.
@Louiebeans
Something brought me back to this page. Almost like I knew you had posted something silly.
You can argue that Cashman didn’t do ENOUGHT (Cole, Corbin or Harper/Brantley) but how in the world could you say they NOTHING but sign Gardner? I would say historically, last 5-7 years the Yanks are almost always active and likely one of the biggest spenders.
Last year they acquired two starters coming off a season where they 1) acquired 2 SP with a collective 28 wins, 330 IP, and a ERA/FIP around 3..70/3.50 in Happ and Paxton. DJ who was their best overall hitter, almost won a batting title and is likely to receive mvp votes for 2nd or 3rd place. They also acquired two of the best relievers in Britton (resigned) and Ottavino. Both with sub 2 ERA’s. Then he brought in a lot of depth. Like him or not, Gardner held the OF together as did Urshela and Tauchman too. Other than that elusive #1 Cash was very busy and made solid moves.
Brett Garbage is a post season dud always has been always will be and they won’t win with him. He batted number 3 which RUINED THEM.
If he’s off the team none of this happens. People keep saying bring him back a a number 4 problem is he plays 160 games and bats 3rd. Time to turn over a new leaf. Sign him and lose again.
@Louiebeans
Where 1 hitter hits in the lineup has nothing to do with how the rest of the team performs, how good or bad the defense is our how the pitcher pitch. You’re acting irrational as usual.
I only read the first part of your thesis and while you are correct about who knows, the same can be said about anyone on both sides who didn’t pitch.
I’ll stick to my point that the stros are the better team period. They won and quite frankly had all the intangibles. Despite having gone to 2 games I never felt the yanks had what it takes.
I’ll stick to my other point which is cash gets 230 mil to put a team together and the team he put together is not good enough to get through October. I don’t know how you and that f***ing idiot fits argue against fact. People like me who were concerned turned out to be correct while people like you who were confident were not. This is 100 percent truth and fact. All you do is cite statistics. None of it matters- they lost
Again- They lost, it’s over. The best hope is they fix the SP And dead bats society which I believe stem from how cashman constructs the team.
If you think cash is the right man for the job that your prerogative.
From my view he thinks he’s a genius and can win his way. Well it hasn’t worked out that way, has it???
The yanks consistently fall short under his watch and yes the players need to perform but he just picks the wrongs ones….
No I’m not the Yankees have won nothing in the post season with this game. He goes dead in the post season. Batting him 3rd was was one of Boone’s biggest mistakes. They actually thought he was going to do something after a good season. He’s done nothing in the play off and signing him again they will get the same results! Get lost good bye sign some place else.
Follow your own advice Beanhead. Since you were blind about his post season home run, “Get lost good bye”.
Find another team and post to their threads.
The Yankees can’t afford to lose Hicks. They need to sign Brett Gardner one more year to fill his spot at center. They had over half of there team missing due to injuries in April and May. They will get Miguel Andujar who had a shoulder problem and missed all season. He only played like 2 games and got hurt in the same spot again. Andujar is a beast just saying. They need to put Judge, Stanton, Ellsbury, Andujar, Gardner, Sanchez, Tauchman, Tanaka and Severino on the field. The staff needs to get them in shape and healthy for the 2020 season. The Yankees are still uncertain about Jacoby Ellsbury right now, he may not ever play again. They sure do need him though.