We’re bringing back our “Three Needs” series, in which we take a look at the chief issues to be addressed for clubs that have fallen out of contention. We started with the Mariners and will now turn to a Tigers club that is finishing out a brutal season …
1. Work The Wire Aggressively
We’re focused here on reasonably attainable goals in a given offseason, not just identifying the very worst parts of a bad roster. And truth be told, it’s a bit of a fool’s errand to look too closely at specific areas of need. The reality of the situation in Detroit is that the organization is about as devoid of present MLB talent as any in recent memory. When a team is this bad, it’s not hard to identify areas to get better. Rather than focusing primarily on filling gaps, the approach this winter should be to accumulate as much talent as possible.
With the worst record in baseball, the Tigers not only have the first pick in next year’s draft (and in the upcoming Rule 5 draft), but top waiver priority from now until thirty days have elapsed in the 2020 campaign. That represents the first bite at the apple on any player who’s sent onto the wire. It’s a nifty benefit — if you’re willing and able to do the 40-man roster maneuvering needed to make it work.
Any front office must take care to protect their own prospects and manage the 40-man. The Tigers are no different. But a willingness to be aggressive with marginal veterans can help create additional openings. Having already sunken this far, the club can’t worry too much about holding open roster spots for lower-ceiling talent.
While GM Al Avila certainly has placed some claims since taking the helm — including a few quite recently — he’s nowhere near as apt to utilize that mechanism as, say, Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi. There are conceivable benefits to avoiding too much churn, particularly during the season. But working the waiver wire — both by claiming and in some cases attempting to outright previously claimed players — offers an intriguing path to securing the rights to interesting players and obtaining a first-hand look.
2. Don’t Shy Away From Trading Matthew Boyd
Hanging onto Matthew Boyd at the trade deadline may or may not have been wise. It’s impossible to pass judgment from the outside without knowing what was actually available in trade talks. Though it stinks for the Detroit organization that the 28-year-old has gone on to post a suboptimal second half, that doesn’t mean we should re-litigate the trade deadline call without further information.
So, what now? It’s easy to presume that the Tigers have no choice but to hang onto Boyd and hope he shows better in the first half of 2019, creating a new deadline opportunity. And that may be the likeliest outcome. But the possibility of a deal shouldn’t be foreclosed in advance.
It’s true, Boyd did take a step back over his past dozen starts. But he didn’t collapse. He has still averaged better than eleven strikeouts per nine in that span. While the walks and homers are up significantly, his physical skills don’t appear to have eroded. There’s no reason to believe he’s hurt. Most of the same things that made him so suddenly interesting remain in place, such as a 14.0% swinging-strike rate, 3.56 SIERA, and three years of affordable arbitration control.
When contenders scan the free agent market for options, they’re not going to see that kind of upside — at least, for anything less than a whopping financial investment. Boyd won’t require that kind of commitment. The Detroit club shouldn’t settle for just anything, but ought to be shopping a talented pitcher who is rather unlikely to be in his prime and in a Tigers uniform when the team is next competitive.
3. Consider A Multi-Year Free Agent Signing
Wait, what?! Yeah, I’m advocating for selling off the team’s best remaining MLB asset and generally abandoning any thought of near-term contention. But that doesn’t mean the Tigers should be in pure tank mode. The point is that they ought to be looking for ways to maximize opportunities to add value to the organization. And that can include adding MLB players.
The Tigers are three winters removed from a multi-year free-agent signing. You have to go way back to that 2015-16 offseason to find any big spending. There’s good reason for that, to be sure. But there are also reasons to consider the potential upside in exploring larger deals again.
No, I’m not saying the Tigers should be signing the next Justin Upton or Jordan Zimmermann deal. But continuing to ink one-year, fill-in veterans makes for limited upside. After committing $15.5MM, the club wasn’t able to cash in any of its most recent one-year signings (Tyson Ross, Jordy Mercer, Matt Moore, Josh Harrison) because all of these veterans ended up being hurt. And I need not remind Tigers fans of the disappointing outcomes of the rental sales of J.D. Martinez and Nicholas Castellanos.
The Tigers’ payroll obligations are falling off a cliff, with nothing committed from this point forward aside from the sunk costs of Zimmermann and Miguel Cabrera (along with one more payout to Prince Fielder). With many organizations showing a reduced willingness to give the extra year, there could be some opportunity to draw interesting free agents to Detroit. That could open the door to a class of players the Tigers wouldn’t otherwise have access to while also increasing the potential return that could be realized in a trade if things go well. Plus, spreading the risk of injuries over multiple seasons isn’t without its merit. With free payroll to work with, the Tigers should have greater risk appetite and at least pursue some bold strategies.
ScottCFA
Not sure I agree with the multi-year free agent signing. Desirable free agents are usually 28-30 years old. The Tigers are more than two years, possibly more than three, away from contention. That puts a free agent into his 30’s before the team will be competitive; at that point, today’s free agent is seeing his skills begin to decline. A team that far from contention is not likely to be the successful bidder on a solid free agent. I think it is too soon to take that step. Contracts to rebuild value or on aging players as stop-gaps still make sense. I suppose they could also look at a potential undervalued contract situation as a future trade candidate.
Jeff Todd
Such a player can be traded if there’s value in the contract. Multiple years ramps up the risk but also the potential reward. E.g. Mike Minor, Lance Lynn.
ScottCFA
I think we basically agree on that, but the devil is always in the details. Plus, there are 29 other teams many of whom would be glad to add a mid-rotation arm or a decent power-hitting outfielder on a value contract. To pull it off, the Tigers have to be better at gauging that value than the other teams. Given the trades and free agency signings under Avila, I see no evidence of that skill. I do believe their amateur scouting is quite good, however, judging by improved drafting under Avila compared to Dombrowski.
I enjoy all these pieces, however, as thought-provokers rather than just the facts of this guy getting traded or that one being DFA’d.
Wilford Brimley
I agree with Jeff Todd. He’s a writer.
CrewBrew
barely
jorge78
Demand
your
money
back!
mistry gm
lol, lol, lol. Improvef drafting under Avila??????
mike156
Jeff, I’m assuming that you mean they need to find veterans who aren’t getting good multiyear offers (for whatever reason, age, positional glut, etc) and outbid in dollars or years, because it’s got to be hard for a player who thinks he’s desirable to spend what could be his last productive years on a team that’s likely to lose 60% or more of its games. Tough way to end a career, unless the money is so much of a lure you eschew other choices.
NLD_14
Or you can look back at the Braves signing Nick Markakis. Everyone questioned it at the time, but it has really worked out well for both sides.
Phanatic 2022
For example if the tigers signed DJ instead of the Yankees last year to the same 2/24 they could have gotten a nice haul back at the deadline
Stat_head
Why on earth would DJ have signed with the Tigers instead of the Yankees?? Every player would rather be in the playoff hunt then losing 2/3rds of their games.
Phanatic 2022
So he signs with them for 2/30. It’s an example of a FA the tigers could sign to a multi year deal. The comment was made to the fact that Detroit shouldn’t sign FA’s to multiple years not to who they would with you mental midget.
Ejemp2006
Also, playing to win every night brings out the best in players. DJ would’ve had a hard time staying motivated in Detroit just like Castellanos.
al avias phone
I agree with you scottCFA.the team isn’t ready for multi year contracts yet.they need the flexibility to bring the kids to the big team if needed and not being blocked by a player on a FA contract.however,if for some reason there’s a opportunity to grab a younger impact FA who gets to the open market and will upgrade the roster and be part of the newer guys getting here.The writer forgets the Tigers did take a chance on a rule 5 guy in Mr.Reyes..yeah we had to carry him for a full year on the team without being able to send him down but look at how well he’s doing..there’s lots of ways to build and I think the author is just rehashing old dirt..we’ve got a lot of very good pitchers not too far away at Double A and more working they’re way up.the Tigs could chose to deal from a strength to bolster needed positional player.. this year there appears to be little bit more hitters to select with the Torkelson kid being the leader for now.
Beldar J. Conehead
The problems start at the top, and until and unless Chris is ready to shell out the dough to acquire some actual major-league caliber players, it’s going to be the same sad song again. And again. And again.
Dogbone
Tigers just need to do the White Sox thing – tank for 8 years and build thru the draft. It’s the cheapest way to rebuild , if the fan base buys into it, for 8 years.
Bocephus
Nobody, but nobody should “do the White Sox thing”.
Djtigers42
Ur so right
Sour Bob
The three main problem areas for Detroit seem to be hitting, pitching, and defense.
racosun
Don’t forget coaching. Lloyd ain’t helping these kids at all.
keysox
They have young pitching to trade. Could bode well for them. As a White Sox fan, would love to get Fullmer. We have young position players but no good young pitchers. Say Gavin Sheets and Steal Walker for Fullmer
racosun
You already have a Fulmer, quit hogging them all.
Dogbone
carson Fulmer proving to be a major bust, after being sold to the Sox fan base for years, as being a future building block.
keysox
Yap agree. Sox have horrible scouting and player development departments.
C. Fulmer at best a long reliever. His best role is mop up games. Up 9 or down 9. The latter would insure him 35 appearances
joefriday1948
You are right resigning Cabrera and Zimmerman to long term contacts is a smart idea. Hope they resign the Tiger official who is behind home plate who faces the fans. Where has this valued employee been?
tigerdoc616
I certainly agree working the waiver wire is a good thing for the Tigers. But do not agree with the other two. First, The big reason Boyd was not traded is because of the asking price, which everyone, including MLBTR reported as high and unrealistic. Tigers have enough mediocre prospects. They don’t need to move Boyd for such talent. They need a big time bat prospect. The problem is that Boyd is not that good of a pitcher and not worth that type of return. Hence, he stayed a Tiger. He has more value to the Tigers now than mediocre prospects. Tigers still need him in the rotation as the best young pitchers they have are not quite yet MLB ready. He is also a veteran presence for these young players. Tigers can always trade him later for mediocre prospects.
As far as multi year players, not likely to happen. Even with Moore and Ross having been hurt, low risk one year signings have worked out decently for the Tigers. Expect them to continue to work that angle. Tigers make an attractive one year stopover for a lot of players looking to rebuild their value. They know they will get playing time and that we will trade them to a contender if things do work out. That might also work for a player in a two year deal. But not for any player looking for longer, they won’t want to be possibly stuck in Detroit for that long.
Tigernut2000
How have these one-year signings “…worked out decently…”?
Ejemp2006
I would like the Tigers to sign some fiery veterans who have something to prove. Set the team up with a competitor attitude.
Jon Lester, Cole Hamels, Gio Gonzalez, John Lucroy, Adam Jones, Billy Hamilton, and Dee Gordon. These guys could all come in and cost less than 45 million in aggregate annual average. The Tigers need a Kenny Rodgers type to push the new upcoming Verlander type. And a Magglio and Pudge type to keep everyone hustling day-in-day-out.
This would also require the Tigers to be creative with Miggy’s IL stints.
RiseAgainst3598
How about Rick Porcello and Justin Smoak for free agents this off-season?
Jeff Zanghi
I’m assuming you mean to add to their AAA team? lol jk but in all seriousness not sure what Rick Porcello can really provide anymore. As a Sox fan… he’s been hard to watch for most of this season — having said that — Detroit might actually be a solid fit for him to return to given his need to rebuild value and the fact that he has had success with Detroit in the past.
al avias phone
I moved to Boston in 07 and back to the D in 2014.love both franchises.and the Yankee hate they both have
FattKemp
When Marcell Ozuna is still available in the 3rd week of March, it’d be worth the draft pick loss to sign him to an incentive laden “You hit .240 prove it” deal and then trade him to someone for established prospects
zappaforprez
Could see them signing any of Ozuna/Puig/Roark/Moustakas and likely dealing them at the deadline. Lot of money coming off the books soon. A few smart signings, and they’ll speed up this rebuild a bit. Manning, Mize and Faedo should bring some clarity to that rotation in 2020. Burrows will be a possibility, too. I wouldn’t be so quick to assume they’re dealing Boyd. Could even see them signing Castellanos and putting him at 1B.
al avias phone
agreed,Boyd might just end up staying and being part of the next competitive team.however,I really hope the tigers are able to maintain the minor leagues so that when were competing to get in the playoffs the tigers can keep feeding up good talent and not have to do a “tear down” and start from 0 again
oldleftylong
Castellanos has been freed. He’d never return to the Copa Cavern.
baji kimran
Just three needs? This is the Tigers we’re talking about. It’s more like 33 needs.
old dodger fan
Just 3.. Pitching, hitting and defense.
bigdaddyt
3 needs are pretty easy. They need pitchers, position players and coaching staff
Mystery Team
This team is still trying to dig out of the hole Dave Dombrowski dug for them. It still shocks me to see all the fans in New England that are actually upset with his firing. This current Detroit team is the usual and expected aftermath of a Dombrowski tenure.
al avias phone
your right MYSTERY.friends from out there just all steamed up.I tell them,your lucky! get rid of him and quick.I think someone very high up in the ORGANIZATION and seen they were headed for a cliff!..DD,has that rep that he can deal away whole farm teams and gut the minor teams.if he’s given a team who’s owner likes burning up cash to “win now” he’s a good fit..his model isn’t sustainable..matter of fact DD brought in freaking Brad Ausmus on a 3 yr deal and he was completely wrong choice! I spent many a night screaming at the T.V. for him to do SOMETHING, ANYTHING! he was so afraid of making. bad call,he was never aggressive enough heck I used to look for snow in August if he actually put a hit and run on OR idk steal second?!!..or here’s a good one,try stealing third! more pressure you put on the other team by making them have to field every ball correctly will make them play tight and get in jams..
quantomoffandom
Say what you will about DD, but during his tenure and MR I opening his wallet, the Tiger experience one the greatest highs in their history. As a kid I would have never dream the Tigers would have players on their teams that would win Cy Young Award, MVPs and make it to the WS twice. The question is, would you like to go to the WS once or twice every 10 years or go the old Tiger way of going to the WS once every 18 to 23 years.
davidkaner
I think you are forgetting that it was Illitch who was all aboard to trade anything & everyone to get that ring. It was Illitch who wanted Cabby a Tiger fit life. Had DD won any of the two WS he got the team to, you would be singing a different tune. He won a WS in Boston so they should quit whinnying. Hindsight is so easy to lay blame & critique but Illitch created this huge payroll issue & DD simply followed the wishes of the owner. A few of these deals were not DD first choice but they had no more prospects so they just paid everyone big wasteful dollars.
Tigernut2000
Can’t wait for the sequel: “300 needs: Detroit Tigers”.
angels fan 3
They need Alex Avila so everything will be ok around the holidays
terry g
1. I agree with.
2. I don’t see Boyd bringing that much back. He may may be worth more to the Tigers than another organization is willing to trade for him. Tiger fans see a star and ace and others see an unproven mid-rotation arm with perhaps some up side.
3. This is something to think about.
Jeff Zanghi
This article should really be titled “25 Needs: Detroit Tigers” lol
bobtillman
So I’ll be the only one who doesn’t think the Tigers are that far off.
1. They’re in the Central; Minny (inconsistent), Cleveland (ageing, not too graciously) and the White Sox (can’t help shooting themselves in the butt) aren’t NY, Boston, Tampa and Toronto (and yes, even the O’s).
2. They’re building with pitching, which is what they have to do.
3. Avila’s a pretty sharp guy; holding onto what he’s got and hoping they morph into better players is a sound way to go.
2-3 years max, and they’re back in it…likely 2.
ifonlydetroitcoulddraft
Agreed. Well said
Ejemp2006
Agreed, that’s why I want them to sign high character veterans to lead us out of the muck.
GarryHarris
1) The Tigers absolutely need to stop signing high risk free agents for the purpose of trading them for prospects. They assume all the risk and ultimately become a development organization for the rest of MLB. Although they received Willi Castro for Leonys Martin, they got little in return for Mike Fiers and the other free agents signed during the other 3 years (16, 17, 19) have been next to useless or downright detrimental.
2) Quit beating themselves. If they can’t win, don’t loose. There hasn’t been a game they haven’t blundered. I’ve seen many errors not officially scored as errors. They are over shifting, getting bad jumps on balls, not taking charge in the field, not playing the wall correctly, throwing to the wrong base or holding the ball. They are a highlight reel for bad base running and for bringing out greatness of the opponent pitchers. They don’t wait for their pitch and swing at pitches far out of the strike zone. They beat themselves.
3) Bat Miguel Cabrera 7 or 8 or not at all. He is no longer a feature hitter. The media makes a big deal when he hits a HR but, he’s not a slugger anymore. If he gets on base, he clogs the base path. He doesn’t run out anything. He needs to earn that 3rd position in the lineup moreover, he needs to earn a position in the lineup. He’s simply taking ABs from others who want to play.
Stat_head
You probably wanted to move be JV to the bullpen back when he was hurt because you were convinced he was washed up.
GarryHarris
There’s no comparison. Justin Verlander has always stayed in shape. Miguel Cabrera is fat, out of shape and continues to have several public drunken incidents… not just isolated rare incidents.
ifonlydetroitcoulddraft
Thanks for the piece on the Tigers, Jeff. I agree with point #3. The Tigers have the pitching coming up to be relevant in a couple years. Add a couple stud bats to multi-year FA deals to join the young guys.
If they aren’t competitive, flip them. There’s more return value on solid multi-year guys than the one year rebound hopeful Tyson Ross signings. At least they aren’t trading Suarez’s for Simon’s anymore.
stymeedone
When Suarez was on the Tigers, he was considered to be just like Herman Perez, a light hitting utility player with a poor glove and middling power. There was no complaining when the trade was made. The Tigers have a bunch of Suarez/Perez type players this year: Goodrum, Lugo, H. Castro, Rodriguez, Candelario…The question is which ones will improve both defensively and offensively, like Suarez, and which will continue as a 4A utility player, like Perez.
ifonlydetroitcoulddraft
I agree on the second part, but Suarez was regarded much higher by scouts than Perez at the time.
oldleftylong
And the Big Pasta was a 20-game winner.
ifonlydetroitcoulddraft
Yes
GarryHarris
Except Jim Leyland didn’t give young players time to show their value.
Ejemp2006
They were stacked with all star caliber veterans and competing for championships so Leyland didn’t play the prospects.
GarryHarris
In 2014, Eugenio Suarez’s rookie year with the Tigers, Alex Gonzalez then Andrew Romine were the primary SS while Nicholas Castellanos booted it all over and around 3B.
sufferforsnakes
1) A can of gasoline
2) A match
3) More gasoline
stymeedone
The main thing I would like to see from the Gardner is developing position players. At the start of the year, he talked about Goodrum being the utility player moving around to stay in the lineup. Now that we are thru this year, it seems he did that with everyone. Goodrum (1b, 2b, 3b, LF, CF, RF) Lugo (2b, 3b) Candelario (1b,3b) H. Castro (2b, 3b, CF) R. Rodriguez (1b, 2b, 3b, SS) B.Dixon (1b, LF, RF). I realize that some of this was due to injuries, but a LOT was because of his fun with the lineup. Defensively, they would probably be better with regular playing time at ONE position. He needs to put players at their best spot, and let them develop.
Melchez
Remember back to 2003, Tigers were coming off their worst season ever. That winter they signed the best catcher in the game, Pudge. He was 32 years old. Maybe they should sign the best catcher in this free agent market? Grandall? He will be 31. I think the Tiger farm looks stronger today than it did in 2003. So if they are aggressive the next 2 years and get a couple solid trade/ free agents each year, they might speed up the rebuild.
Sign Grandall and Smoak this year. Sign Springer for CF next year and maybe a couple lucky trades…. hope some of these prospects develop. They could be contenders in the central by 2021..
Ejemp2006
Or contend next year. Why not. I love your Grandal idea.
mistry gm
What they really need to do is fire Al Avila and whatever moron hired him!
TribeGuy 2
I agree with the multi year signing to a big name. Let’s face it that is how the rebuilt when they signed Pudge and Magglio.
dmazcomp
Moving the centerfield fences in 20 feet should be number 1. People blame Lloyd McClendon for the offensive troubles, but that ridiculous centerfield does a lot of damage to power numbers. Getting out of Comerica has really helped JD (though it did not hinder him much), Castellanos, and Mc Cann.
I also think they need to be very aggressive in signing AAA free agents in order to improve their immediate depth.
BRGoBlue19
If we can’t get a huge haul for Boyd there is no reason to trade him. 2020 should be our last year of tanking, then we’ll be looking to add guys like Boyd….
2021 rotation of Boyd, Fulmer, mize, and Manning should be a good start to being back in contention