5:17pm: The team update does have some bad news: Sale has received a platelet-rich plasma treatment and will be shut down for at least six weeks. He’ll be reevaluated at that time.
Whether there’s any possibility of Sale appearing in the postseason isn’t known. But with less than six weeks to go before the end of the regular season, it’s now certain he will not be able to help the club make a last-ditch run at sneaking into Wild Card position.
The update doesn’t fill in any blanks regarding the underlying issues in the joint. But given the course of treatment, it seems reasonable to presume that the medical team has identified something beyond inflammation alone.
4:04pm: If you’re a Red Sox fan, you may now safely exhale. Boston lefty Chris Sale will not require Tommy John surgery, according to Jeff Passan of ESPN.com (Twitter link).
Precisely what is wrong with Sale’s elbow isn’t yet clear. But it seems that a visit to Dr. James Andrews did not reveal anything beyond the inflammation that initially sent the southpaw to the injured list.
We’ll keep updating the situation as further information emerges. Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe notes (via Twitter) that the club is preparing to release a statement on the topic of Sale’s health.
I legit couldn’t sleep last night when I heard about this. Deep breath.
Ridiculous
While it’s a little concerning they have no clue what’s wrong, certainly it’s great to hear surgery isn’t required. I’d like to hear what someone other than Abraham has to say about it.
Only Tommy John surgery has been ruled out. Hopefully they’ll rule out him needing any type of surgery.
Honestly even Tommy John hasn’t actually been ruled out. Seems like they’re saying he’s not going to surgery now. But if conservative treatments fail who knows
BaseballAllDay that’s what I was thinking…. Waiting 6 weeks after this injection to see if things improve. If he has Tommy John surgery in six weeks or today he’ll still miss the entire season next year so he’s not out of the woods yet.
smh………
*safely exhales*
*looks at AL wild card standings*
*stops breathing
Done for the season, is my guess.
How are the Red Sox going to retool so they can compete next year?
You act as if this team is light years away from the WC. Plus the Red Sox don’t need a retool as you put it. This organization knows how to win.
Considering they have the 2nd-best offense in MLB, all that’s needed next year is one decent starting pitcher and 2-3 quality relievers.
And Cora needs to get his act together. No more Club Med spring training. No more not caring about wins in March or April. No more excessive resting of players.
Right but they have no (additional) money. All those holes were obvious this year too. There’s a reason they weren’t fixed.
Hopefully there’s some money to use after this off-season when certain contracts are off the books.
1 starting pitcher? Have you watched at all
There starters have underperformed simple as that and the entire reason this team isn’t 10-12 games better.
If their starting pitching performs to expectations next year no reason this team can’t contend. This team was built on the premise that the starters would carry the load. Next year they will have Sale, Price, Evo, and Edro if they perform as expected they will contend if they average less then 5 innings again they won’t simple as that. One of the biggest indicators of a bullpens effectiveness is how many innings they pitch and the Red Sox bullpen was not built to pitch as many innings as they had to this year.
But you guys claimed this team needed nothing this year. That it was the begging of a dynasty. Everyone said you needed a closer bullpen but you guys knew better. What happen guys your guys turned back into pumpkins.
Like I said the starters underperformed simple as that. This happens sometimes doesn’t mean they won’t be great next year and if they are then the Red Sox will challenge again.
Aren’t you concerned about ending up with some pumpkins there in NY? Not all of the career AAA’ers are going to keep it up
In the last 16 games the Red Sox starters have gone 6 innings and given up three or less the Sox are 15-1. The problem is the starters haven’t done near enough this year let’s see what happens with the starters next year if they fall on their face next year then it might start becoming a concern. At this point O will chalk it up to a bad year happens sometimes.
Or they over performed last season. I don’t normally wish ill will on any team but I’ve been waiting for the Red Sox rotation to fall apart. Rick Porcello is not a pitcher you want in your rotation long-term. David Price is not what he used to be and arm problems are catching up to him. I’ve been seeing this coming for a couple years.
Only time will tell Ryan but writing the Sox off next year is premature I think they underperformed by a long shot and will be much better next year. I could be wrong and we will look back and see that was the beginning of the end for the rotation we will have a much better idea next year.
a. Mookie set to either break the bank with the Sox or get traded to with another team.
b. JD potentially opting out
c. where to you get the $money and/or players for “one good pitcher and 2-3 quality relievers.
You make it sound so easy…if both Mookie and JD are gone you just gutted the heart of the Sox offense. And, Henry already has said he isn’t willing to go higher in salaries and for one good pitcher and 2-3 quality relievers…exactly what tree do you expect them to fall from right into the Sox lap.
Is it possible the post season work load on the starting staff is showing this year?
Porcello isn’t coming back, Sale is hurt and you really don’t know how he’ll be longer term, Price is hurt and seemingly not “the guy” any longer, Eovaldi is perpetually hurt and the Sox bullpen is a bunch of maybe will be’s with no obvious closer.
There’s a lot to digest going on with this team as far as a 2020 plan.
And don’t jump the Yankees please as I’m just responding to your post.
At 40 games over .500 those pumpkins are doing a pretty good job man…..
Do you seriously think spring training was all on Cora?
Shut up until the Yankees win the World Series. The team simply had no money to spend. They chose to reward players who out performed expectations in 18 and thought their starters would perform up to their contracts.
LOL. Most team needs a Porcello at the back end of a rotation. He’s hit or miss but his innings protects the pen and when he’s on like in 2016 or the end of last year, he can be a beast.
Rocky, the Sox last year backed it up, going through the three best other clubs. Yankees’ turn now…
That doesn’t make any sense, how can you say a bullpen wasn’t built to pitch that many innings. You build a bullpen with 1-2 long relievers, have 2-3 middle relievers that can give you more than 1 inning then have 2-3 late inning guys that can shut down the door in the 7,8,9. It’s not that hard to construct a bullpen. Granted bullpens around the league have struggled all year so it’s not just the Red Sox that have had bullpen problems
Bogaerts extension essentially nullifies Pablo coming off the books
They do have almost 40M coming off of the books with Porcello(21M) and dead contracts(18M). They have a young core in the field…but it will be an interesting winter winter – the biggest decision is what to do with Betts…..but they DO have money to spend.
The 20+ blown saves haven’t helped either…
What I meant by that is look at the Yankees there strength is the bullpen and the Red Sox strength was supposed to be the starters. The Red Sox bullpen wasn’t built to have starters go less then five. The Yankees have a lot of arms in the pen the Red Sox only had a few arms they trusted. I don’t know why it is so hard for people to understand when the starters go 6 and give up 3 or less the Red Sox won almost all the time. When thy go less then 6 and give up more then 3 they lose its that simple. If the starters had performed to that 6 and 3 number the Red Sox would be easily 10-12 games better maybe more. Simple as that the starters underperformed.
I think you’re leaving out the fairly weak infield defense. This has been a group effort disappointment in my opinion. Devers and bogarts are great hitters but can’t be described as anything but average at best with the glove. There are so many plays they don’t keep in the infield or only get one when a better infield would get 2. Which drives up pitch counts and increases the risk for mistakes. I’ve said all season this team is failing on multiple levels. The pen doesn’t pick up the starter who isn’t going deep enough into games is obviously a problem too.
On July 18 Price’s ERA was 3.16 so needless to say he had been pitching great. His last four starts were brutal, and now we know it was because of the injury.
ERod is 14-5 with a 4.10 ERA so no complaints there.
Can’t do anything about the injuries to Evo and Sale.
The only starting pitcher that may have overperformed last year was Porcello.
Look going into the season for example at the rotations for both boston and NY.. which one would you have guessed would have had a rough time?
Next year, Porcello is gone, unless he comes back for less than the current 20m annually he’s making now. and Price has done a good job of making up for any slight loss of FB velocity since signing, goo pitchers who know how to pitch do that and it’s not like he’s throwing slop up to the plate, but still 93-94mph.
Had figured myself 60m+ was coming off books in Porcello, Moreland, Sandoval, Pierce alone that counted toward the Cap. few smaller salaries as well won’t mention and they COULD opt to unload JBJ and his 10m, trade Betts his last year of control (20m+).
There are ways to make moves should they want to.
Bogaerts is fine at short. Devers has also improved greatly from last year. Problem in my view is the opposite side when Chavis was playing and with Moreland out for much of the time. While you would like to have a perfect defense, the game is more fly ball oriented than ever and they have amongst the best outfield defense which catches more balls and makes more teams go 90 feet at a time than most so it seems to balance out.
Yankees starters aren’t that good either! They will get shelled in the playoffs against a team like Houston.
CC Sabathia needs to step away and move on. He is hurting the team not helping them!
Where do they have money to spend. You mention Porcello and I’m assuming Panda’s salary. But even if they don’t resign Porcello that money is long gone. Sale got an extension for over 25M per year which kicks in next year, Bogaerts got an extension with a healthy increase which kicks in next year and that takes care of those two salaries if they drop Porcello. Then you have Mpreland as a free agent, and Pearce. And don’t forget Betts and Bradley will be looking at arbitration, and what about Devers he must be getting close to at least arbitration.
Boston is already 27M over the luxury tax cap and last year it cost then money plus 10 spots in the draft. This year by being over it costs them money plus a 1st round draft pick. Its like being between a rock and a hard place.
No one should care about being over the friggin luxury tax. They are the Red Sox, they print money. It’s a non issue.
You mention Moreland Sanaval Pierce and Porcello and that it will take 60+M off the books. But what about the Sale extension and the Bogaerts extension, Also you have Betts and Bradley are both F/A at the end of 2020 so they will be looking at arbitration one more time, and Benedenite must be getting close to arbitration. Boston also has to be concerned about their starters Price and Sale have posted sub par years, Porcello has slipped back to his pre Cy Young year, Cashner hasn’t worked out.
Also trading Betts might not be as easy as you think. He’s got a 20+M salary, he’s all but said he’s going to go to F/A looking for that Harper . Trout money so is there a team willing to cough up 20M+ for a single year on a player have what is a below average year by his standards. And if Boston finishes out of post season I woudn’t be surprised to see JD exercise his opt out clause
And while it may not be TJ surgery I’ll bet both Price and Sale have arm surgery after the end of season for Boston.
Thats pretty wildly speculative of you to think that Sale AND Price will both have a surgical procedure done. Talk about doom and gloom
Its not doom and gloom its just a perspective both pitchers have had sub par years they are both suffering from issues with their arms, they both have thrown a lot of innings. Do you go into next season hoping that whats wrong today won’t reoccur and you lose both pitchers for even longer periods. Or do you do clean-up surgery remove the cyst and maybe bone chips in the elbow and your have 5 to 6 months to recoop or wait and maybe have to shut a good pitcher down for a month or two during the season.
Its not about having to pay the luxury tax, but the rules changed two years ago , if your over by a certain amount for two years in a row you lose 10 spots in the draft, which means you give up a top choice, and If you go 3 yrs over you not only by the luxury tax penalty as you did in year one and two but you now lose a 1st round draft pick. And Boston does not have a strong farm system currently.
What are you talking about bone chips for? That’s not even remotely close to what Sale is dealing with. Sale has inflammation and yes there’s usually an underlying cause of that, and they’ll probably know more about that in 4 weeks when he gets re-evaluated, but bone chips is far from anything that’s been talked about. And Price’s cyst issue is often taken care of without surgery and that appears to be working given he’s working his way back now.
I wasn’t saying it was bone chips, but I do believe both Sale and Price have been pitching hurt all season. I suggested maybe bone chips because thats a common elbow inflammation cause. And Price had an injection to reduce the pain, it doesn’t remove the cyst, and its been slow to respond.
And The Red Sox’s aren’t about to have either player undergo any surgery or announce just how bad the injuries are as long as they have a chance of a wild card spot
Every pitcher pitches through varying degrees of ‘hurt’. It’s the nature of the beast. I don’t believe either was injured to start the year and I certainly don’t believe the Red Sox signed Sale if his medical records indicated that he had any kind of lingering injury, like others have suggested
I agree with you that the Red Sox wouldn’t have extended on Sale if there was a long term or lingering injury. But Sale has been noted for having a weak second half, and I think Boston saw it as a minor strain that he would pitch thru.
One other thing I noticed watching the game particularly with Price. His speed is down about 3 to 4 mph and teams have charted his pitching and they are wearing him out. Look at his games his pitch count is approaching 100 by the 4th or 5th inning in most cases.
The rest of the league is getting better next year when their youth movements are realized. The Sox will have a ton of money dedicated to Sale, Price, and Eovaldi. None of them look great going forward.
They need to re-tool their rotation and bullpen.
This organization knows how to win they won a few WS in the last 100 years and all of a sudden they are pros at winning. Delusional fans.
They have won 4 in 15 years under this ownership. I think they know what they are doing but thanks for the concern.
Classic Yanks fan…Sox have been the best franchise the last 15 years…
Bruin this guy will fade from these boards when the Yanks are one and done in the playoffs. He’ Be screaming I knew it!
Reigning champs bro!!!
I guess your eliminating the 3 last place finishes out of those 15 right?
They are the reigning champs who happen to be 17 games out!
I can’t wait to hear you eat crow with all the bull you spew!
@rocky I am fine with balancing them with championships. The house of very good isn’t a place most of us care to frequent.
Honestly Rocky I don’t give a rats about the three last place finishes means nothing when you win 4 World Series in those 15 years no other team can say that. Yea I don’t care about finishing last.
Look in the mirror Rock. While finishing last was painful, it’s not horseshoes. Getting close sometimes feels worse than finishing last. Ask a neutral fan and most will gladly take Boston’s recent success even with the losing seasons.
The Sox fans are shredding you Rocky.
In the last 20 years, under current ownership, the RedSox have won more championships than the Yankees. Who cares what happened 50 years ago….
I actually disagree with this completely. Compete every year. The baseball season is the best and it’s even more fun when your team is a contender. I’m willing to bet Sox fans are saying last year was more fun for them than this year. Even if you don’t win, getting to watch October baseball every single year means you always have a chance.
Really ask any Yankee fan if they would take would take 4 championships in the last 15 years or being competitive every year but only winning one in that timespan I’m pretty sure I know where every Yankee fan would stand except maybe you.
But if you’re in October you have the chance to win it all. That’s what I’m saying. Put a team out there every year that is competitive. Is there a person out there that doesn’t honestly believe WS 28 is coming for the yanks. Maybe (probably) not this year but you know they’ll be back next year and the year after. It’s a matter of time. Boston can’t say that. Certainly not until more is known about sale. It could easily be 3 or 4 years until they are competitive depending on what they do with the offseason. There’s a major difference between fighting for a champ every year and winning 1 but then taking the next 5 years off… Boston fans are now pretending like they didn’t care about repeating cuz they got one when we all know that’s BS
Sorry but I have to disagree. Ownership has badly mismanaged the team this year, from their Club Med approach in spring training to their handling of the bullpen roster to their flip-flopping on Evo and their failure to allow for payroll flexibility at the trade deadline.
Past success doesn’t guarantee similar future results. Look at all the managers who have won a world series and then been fired within the next few years. Ownership has good years and bad ones, just like players. But this year has been exceptionally bad for Sox ownership and management.
As it happens of course but reflecting afterwards – no way Baseballaday. The pain of losing in 1986 only got worse after subsequent playoff teams got crushed. Had Boston not won in 2004, the pain of 2003 would have been building worse and worse in subsequent years. Ask Yankee fans that can remember how it felt in 1976 and 1981. Fortunately for them, they had 1977 and 1978 to reflect on. Sort of like Sox fans in 2014 and 2019.
Doesn’t matter Baseball holiday you can honestly look me in the eye and say you would rather have the Yankees win the division and be competitive but win only one World Series or have a few down years but win 4 World Series in 15 years. Cmon now be honest with yourself I honestly think any Yankee fan would take the 4 championships for 3 or 4 last place finishes in the Division.
Red Sox fans do care about repeating but in this day and age in baseball it is so hard to repeat. It has been nearly 20 years since a team repeated so the chances of it happening are very slim.
There are a lot of Red Sox fans that realize the Red Sox won’t keep paying the max penalties and there is a time coming when they will have to reset the lux tax. They made a last try for it thought they had the starters to do it but they pitched way below expectations. Now it’s time to reset the lux tax and get ready to make another real run in 2021.
The Yankees probably have a solid 3-5 year window with my belief being this year and next as there best opportunity. The White Sox are nearing a time to be a dangerous team I’d say at least by 2021 the Rays have arguably the best farm in baseball. Houston isn’t just going away. You can say what you want about DD but when he has a chance he goes for it. It isn’t always going to work out but he addresses the weaknesses when he has a team that he thinks can win it all.
Houston went out and did that this year and the Yankees didn’t. Doesn’t mean the Yankees won’t win the World Series they could blast their way to a title but the air is colder and pitching seems to be very important in October so let’s see what happens, to the Yankees savages when they face that level of pitching night in and night out. That Yankees team is going to start to get real expensive in a couple of years when everyone starts hitting their arb years.
The Yankees failure to go all in is closing that window. Acquiring Stanton really cost them. If they would have put that money towards pitching imagine where they would be. That cost them last year. Pitching will again be their undoing this year.
Lucky, I understand the thought process but when the deal was done, they thought the average cost when factoring in what Miami paid towards it was a bargain with Boris talking about $400m for Harper. It only took one owner to be stupid and agree. Such would have had a trickle down effect on future contracts. There were many who thought with his injury history, he was a gamble. Too hard to go backwards. I still give Cashman credit for all his other moves…until this deadline when he did nothing. Even a few weeks ago, what could he have done? Grienke was not coming to the northeast.
Try to sell of pieces.
They don’t need to sell, and their players not pieces.
they wolnt have to pay Porcello 20+ million next year, so that should help them some. They’d also be wise to move an OF, assuming JD doesnt opt out. if he does, there’s at least more flexibility to plug up some holes. as much as they wolnt be able to easily replace JD’s hitting, they would be better suited spending on pitching anyway.
I’m no scholar but I believe it is spelled “won’t”.
I have never seen ‘won’t’ spelled that way…
He was eating walnuts when he said it…
They may not have to pay Porcello next year, but somebody (or a combination of somebodies) will need to pitch those 200+ innings and take the ball every 5th day.
Durability does come at a price.
I don’t think $21M will be necessary for a 5.85 ERA…they can find someone much cheaper for that
The HR ball is killing some very decent pitchers. Porcello has always been the type of pitcher that will give up quite a few base hits and now that pop-ups are turning into dingers, his base runners are coming home more often. And at Fenway, doubles off the wall.
Porcello would do his career a favor if he signed with the Padres.
ah look a relevant response. yes they will need someone ro give you those innings, but i think they can do better then Porcello for $20 million.
Pablo Sandoval will be a FA again
They need to shut him down if he doesn’t need surgery let him fully recover.
yeah better worry about next year at this point. as bad as missing the playoffs looks after winning the world series, the fact that they did in fact win it should at least keep everyone’s jobs safe.
Make him a closer. Save five years of shelf life like Smoltz did.
So you are okay with a $30MM a year closer?
Sure, let’s pay $30 million per year to a guy that will pitch only 60 innings.
And then let’s give another pitcher $30 million per year to replace Sale in the starting rotation.
Next.
As opposed to paying him 30mil a year not to pitch when he’s hurt?
they’ll have two closers now along side Eovaldi. At least both are better than Kimbrel
It’s not like they HAVE to sign a $30mil pitcher to replace Sale. Naturally Dombrowski will feel the need, but it doesn’t need to be done.
This is their retooling. Gonna shut Price down next and both will be ready for spring
When someone gets platelet injections in their elbow it almost always means they have a tear in their elbow of some sort. The injections usually don’t work and it may just prolong the inevitable. So instead of having him back in 2021 it may be 2022
Red Sox should have waited until after the season to resign him for this very reason.
Totally agree. Guy can’t pitch a whole season.
as of now, he has 25 starts, which is the lowest he’s had since he became a starter. full season or not, he’s been infinately more durable then quite a few guys.
@Dark those numbers were declining . What would it have hurt to have waited at least until mid season.
Boston strong.
Not sure why the Sox rushed the extension. Had they offered him an extension now or in the offseason Boston would have had a lot of leverage . Had sale gone out and pitched at an elite level I dont think he would have recieved a contract much larger than the extension he signed .
He’ll, he wouldn’t get half what he got now. No one wants to deal with paying a guy a lot whose getting platelet injections. That means there is a tear of some sort
What did they lose last year? Three postseason games? And Sale wasn’t 100%. They’ll be fine.
Lets be honest “NATION” i can’t be the only one, who no matter what the out come of his meeting with Andrews was, believed ,that he ever was going to pitch again this year???
The less invasive the treatment the better. Hopefully he’s one of those players that responds well to the PRP regimen.
I think it’s just a low-risk look and see if it works. Tommy John now or Tommy John at the end of the year makes no difference he’ll miss all of next season in any case.
Sounds like it could be a partial tear. Doesn’t always require surgery and in his case makes sense to go this route since if he did surgery 2020 would be a wash whether done now or later.
Yeah what’s an extra year? Which is exactly what the injections may do. They may mask it until May of next yr and then boom. It’s rarely works
Isn’t the plasma treatment what Ohtani got before the TJ surgery?
Yes! This is not Sale’s first experience with elbow inflammation while this one seems a little more serious with being shut down for the rest of the season.
From my understanding Sale just visited Dr. Andrews where he was told that he did not need Tommy John surgery without having a MRI done to see if there was structural damage, got an injection in his elbow then was shut down for the rest of the year and going to be re-examine in six weeks so don’t count out Tommy John surgery just yet.
Just putting off the inevitable.
There was an MRI done just recently and the MRI showed some changes in the MRI done in Spring. They had Andrews evaluate and test and read the MRI to make sure. In Sales case it appears that the just did the Plate-rich plasma injection to help with the inflammation. Is it possible that he still needs TJ yes it’s possible but the news is way better then first expected. Lots of pitchers have gone through this injection and have avoided Tommy John. I believe that they New with Ohtani he had a partial tear with Sale it doesn’t sound as if that is the case. They will re-evaluate after the 6 weeks and the inflammation has gone down. It is a concern though.
Yeah I know it’s worked for some patients but I’m not sure how much data there is behind the PRP. Worth a shot but I wouldn’t let out that sigh of relief until he picks up a ball again in 6 weeks and sees how the arm feels. The inflammation might just need time but he’s nowhere near out of the woods. I think regardless I’d start to be a little worried about the contract if I were Boston. He’s a great pitcher when he’s healthy no doubt but that health has been a question before and is even a bigger questions now.
When someone gets platelet injections in their elbow it almost always means they have a tear in their elbow of some sort. The injections usually don’t work and it may just prolong the inevitable. So instead of having him back in 2021 it may be 2022.
Sorry to hear about Chris Sale. Watched the guy pitch a lot when he was with the White Sox. Would only go to a couple of White Sox games a year and it was to watch Chis Sale. Hopefully he comes back healthy next season for the BoSox.
Man too bad. Thought he had a chance to do something. Special in playoffs. Still think they shoud go for it and make a august trade lots of arms that thrown good. Win it again. Lol. Come on folks let’s get a movement fore them.
Yeah but maybe not a teair keep positive man
Theres too much unknown here. Didnt Otani get the same thing trying to avoid it? I still think it’s a good shot he has it.
Yes, Ohtani, Garret Richards, and many others have had this time wasting injection. The injections usually don’t work and it may just prolong the inevitable.
Appearing for who in the postseason?!?
Sale plays for the Red Sox. Six and a half out of the wild card. It’s August 19th that’s a month and a half left in the season.
I’m a Sale fan, but Red Sox should have let him test free agency at end of year.
The way he throws is not normal, and his frame has always screamed “I’m gonna break down sometime.”
Hopefully he is fine, but this isn’t the first time he has worn down by end of season and needed rest.
Letting a guy Test free agency often puts bitterness between the team and the player. See Jon Lester. “They didn’t want to sign me before so I’m going somewhere else.”
The team couldn’t afford another Lester like situation.
It also helps a guy pitch motivated to get paid, and if he left he would have left with a ton of mileage and his best years behind him.
There’s no problem with Chris Sale being motivated. He is a stand-up guy and there’s no problem there. This guy goes all out all the time.
“The team couldn’t afford another Lester like situation.
Isn’t that the problem? The owners realized they made a major mistake with Lester and were determined to avoid making a similar one that they didn’t do their homework on Sale.
In 2017, Sale won 4 and lost 4 in 11 starts with a 4.09 ERA from Aug 1 through the end of the season. In 2018, he had a no decision on Jul 27, didn’t pitch again until Aug 12 when he won, and then was out until Sep 11 when he had four no decisions (12.0 IP) for the rest of the season. And in two years of post-season pitching with the Red Sox, he was 1-2 with a 5.76 ERA….so, in March 2019, they gave him a rather large salary extension, only to find his injury continuing.
The Red Sox have a long history of letting their star players walk – Roger Clemens, Wade Boggs, Mo Vaughn, Jon Lester, Johnny Damon, Jacoby Ellsbury (which was the right move), etc. None had good things to say about the front office.
People said the same thing about Scherzer. Pitchers will always be a crapshoot!
I’m just going to leave this right here:
Scissorhands.
That’s all.
Everyone seems to be saying that there’s a chance he ends up needing TJ — are there reports that it’s in fact his UCL that’s damaged?
Pure speculation probably…but isn’t that how these things always seem to go?
It is def speculation but he did also go to a doctor famous for TJ surgery with elbow complaints… and the bow the PRP kinda adds fuel to that fire
When someone gets platelet injections in their elbow it almost always means they have a tear in their elbow of some sort. The injections usually don’t work and it may just prolong the inevitable. So instead of having him back in 2021 it may be 2022
Good news for Red Sox fans, Sale won’t need TJ surgery until May!
Platelet injections almost never works and it just prolongs the inevitable. Hardly good news at all. If anything it may take even longer to have Sale look like Sale again.
How many times are you going to repeat this same tired post in this thread? No one has said anything about Sale having a UCL tear, partial or otherwise. You are saying that like you know anything.
You don’t get PRP injections in your elbow because of anything but a partial tear at minimum. Please find another case where an MLB pitcher didn’t have at minimum a partial tear in their elbow and received PRP. I’ve repeated it a lot because the Red Sox obviously aren’t being transparent, and hiding he truth.
That’s literally not true at all:
Doctors have used PRP injections to treat chronic tendon problems, such as tennis elbow, Achilles tendonitis at the ankle, and jumper’s knee, or pain in the patellar tendon in the knee. Acute injuries: Doctors have used PRP injections to treat acute sports injuries, such as pulled hamstring muscles or knee sprains.
I said IN A Pitchers Elbow!!! Don’t bring up nonsense about jumpers knees. Find me ONE just One.
Ok Bush, Tanaka, Strasburg, Salazar even though Salazar ended up getting shoulder surgery and that is just off the top of my head. So if you are going to spout nonsense be prepared to be called out on it.
Also there are quite a few pitchers that did PRP and staved off Tommy John for years before needing it as well.
Tanaka for sure had a slight tear in his elbow. Yes he’s fought off the Tommy John surgery but he was never the same since the injury. He’s been good at times, but never great like he was before being hurt. My whole point is that PRP is used when there’s a slight tear. Sometimes very small.
That is true. Usually they aren’t the same pitcher though and usually end up getting the surgery that would have made them right eventually, but pitched mediocre and prolonged it. Like Garret Richards and Ohtani just last year.
Strasburg seems just fine to me.
The point I’m trying to make is that PRP has definitely helped stave off elbow surgeries for many years on quite a few people so it is t unheard of. If the Red Sox can get 3 or 4 years out of this procedure before Sale eventually needs surgery I’ll call that a win.
I’m not disagreeing with that at all. But the issue is you interjected about something that wasn’t even being argued about. I simply was saying that if a MLB pitcher goes through PRP injections then they have at minimal a slight tear in their UCL. There are all kinds of variations of that, but my that was my original point not that it couldn’t help him get a few yrs before surgery. I do hope Sale does well and it works out. Strasburg was coming off Tommy John a couple years prior to his PRP injections and it was doubtful that he’d need another surgery so fast so his injection was about helping the new ligament. It’s a different comparison. There does seem to be much more precedent of it not working well though and the player ends up getting TJ at some point relatively soon.
Salazar at a minimum does not have a partial year in the ligament and was given PRP for inflammation only. It is not unheard of not saying Sale doesn’t have a partial year but is possible he is dealing with a lot of inflammation only and that is why he got PRP we just don’t know and to speculate is just that speculation.
So the only case we have for my point is Salazar? The biggest injury dude there is in MLB? I rest my case
I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I’d put a 95% chance on that Sale has some sort of ligament damage. The math adds up.
Sale said before the game he was relieved because and I quote “ Dr. Andrews didn’t detect any ligament damage and just the inflammation in that the previous MRI showed two days before”. Now maybe Sale is covering it up but we have to at least believe there’s a pretty chance of no ligament damage unless you believe in conspiracy theory’s.
Just following history I do believe it is more than inflammation. So does the writer of this article in his last update check it out above: “But given the course of treatment, it seems reasonable to presume that the medical team has identified something beyond inflammation alone”. So maybe we have a first non injured ligament PRP pitcher elbow treatment. I have serious doubts though. But whatever maybe Sale will change history.
No the article makes it sound like this is what Dr. Andrews told Sale no structural damage just inflammation. The writer is just quoting what Sale was told by Dr. Andrews. Whether Sale is just saying that and there is something structural maybe but there’s at least a chance it’s just inflammation if that is truly what Andrews said to Sale.
They are delaying TJ until after the season to see if the Red Sox can make the playoffs.
The highs for 2019 is that Rafael Devers, Christian Vazquez and Eduardo Rodriguez have emerged while 1B Michael Chavis and 2B Marco Hernandez could take over next season.
I, as YF….. in happy he’s ok. This is no only baseball! It’s about one of the best in the game and we need to keep it that way
RS are out of it this year anyway, maybe not mathematically but the front office has already mailed this one in. My predictions: 1. DD will be gone within a few weeks. 2. Cora will stay but LeVangie and a few other coaches will be cut loose. 3. Price will not likely pitch more than 2 to 3 games for remainder of year with limited innings (just enough to keep the fans interested). 4. JD will opt out at end of season but will regret it. 5. Eovaldi will be back on the IL within the next few weeks until end of season. 6. Porcello will sign with the Yankees in the off season.
Not so sure JD will opt out. Porcello will probably sign a one year deal with the A’s for $10m plus incentives where he’ll have a career year and they’ll spin him off at the trade deadline.
The elbow of Sales has probably “flamed out.” Even though there isn’t any indication that he will need TJ surgery, the body or the limb has rebelled and said – enough is enough! Sales best days are now behind him.
Yeah, you sound like a real medical expert.
Sale was hitting 98 and pitching very well his last 2 starts. Doesn’t sound like a guy in decline.
his velocity on all his pitches has been a rollercoaster this year.
this makes sense. sale’s velocity has been down all year. with his pitching motion it’s likely he will be out even in the playoffs. didnt tanaka get these same injections and opt out of tommy john surgery meaning it was still an option? im guessing the same with sale.
From a angels fan, Andrew Heaney did the same thing, and ended up with tj. Garrett richards did it and lasted 6 month’s. Tanaka is the only one that I can think of that was somewhat successful
Those guys had tears in their ligament. Sale has said he doesn’t have a tear.