Trades between the Yankees and Mets have been rare during the crosstown rivals’ histories. The clubs have made just 15 deals since 1966, in fact, but we might see No. 16 this summer. With the starter-needy Yankees pushing for a World Series and the Mets looking like non-contenders, the New York franchises could come together on a trade for soon-to-be free-agent right-hander Zack Wheeler this month. The Yankees are already known to like Wheeler, and the Mets wouldn’t be averse to sending him to the Bronx, Andy Martino of SNY.tv says.
The Mets are more focused on getting the best offer for Wheeler than where they’d trade him. But the Yankees are sure to face plenty of competition for Wheeler if they do make an earnest attempt to pull him in before the July 31 deadline. Martino names Atlanta and Milwaukee as just a couple other teams with interest in the 29-year-old. The Brewers were “enamored” of Wheeler’s upside as recently as last offseason, per Marc Carig of The Athletic (subscription link).
The heat-throwing Wheeler put on a show for an array of scouts Tuesday when he handled, of all teams, the Yankees. Wheeler fanned eight over 6 1/3 innings, allowing two earned runs on five hits and a walk. He’s still running an uninspiring 4.42 ERA through 114 frames this season, up significantly from last year’s 3.31. It hasn’t helped that Wheeler has pitched in front of a dreadful defense, though, and the rest of his output is far more promising than his simple run prevention numbers. Wheeler has struck out 9.71 batters per nine while walking 2.53, giving him an outstanding 3.71 K/BB ratio. He’s also inducing grounders at a 45.3 percent clip and infield flies 14 percent of the time – the latter of which ranks 13th among qualified starters.
Adding to Wheeler’s appeal, he’s on a $5.975MM salary that every contender should be able to afford. It appears he’ll join Giants left-hander Madison Bumgarner as one of the top two rental starters available in July, barring a miraculous Mets turnaround. The Mets have won two in a row, though they’re still just 39-47 and six games out in a jam-packed National League playoff race. Assuming New York elects to sell, dealing Wheeler would give the team a chance to replenish its lackluster farm system to at least some degree. The Mets just may be able to do that at the Yankees’ expense.
sdsuphilip
I’d rather have Wheeler than Bumgarner ROS
@DaOldDerbyBastard
Yeah but that’s because neither team is going to the playoffs.
bencole
And no, the Mad Bum postseason greatness is probably over, now that his great stuff is.
progwell
ros?
bencole
Rest of season
stansfield123
Luckily, you’re not the Yankee GM. Yanks are getting MadBum or Stroman, not Wheeler.
rocky7
Don’t think so!
ShieldF123
Why would you ever want MadBum?
costergaard2
The one Yankee wild card is that they don’t need a CG out of MadBum, just 5-6 innings, which he can do, then it’s off to that crazy bullpen…
Pickle_Britches
Crazy as hail son. Lol Madbum has worked on pitch selections his last few starts and has been great. Plus his bulldog mentality during post season will bring a ring back to whoever he signs with. Wheels is good don’t get me wrong, but he’s inconsistent like a boss
loumickeyjeter
Bums on the down swing though. I’d rather have a inconsistent player with upside potential that is moldable then overpriced vets fighting Father Time. Wheelers arm and current talent play well enough to put us over the top imo for this year and in to the future.
slash78
They were born 10 months apart. One has been a workhorse for most of his career and the other has been injury prone in the extreme. Plus both of them have put up about the same numbers. That’s despite Bumgarner “struggling”.
jbigz12
If Mad Bum xWOBA .331 Wheeler xWOBA .301. Wheeler also still has a 97 MPH heater.
Bum pitches in one of the most pitcher friendly venues there is in baseball. 4.60 road ERA v 3.59 at home. Doesn’t generate groundballs and has been hit around a little bit. It’s not completely uncommon for a guy to be better at his home park but there’s certainly reasons to see why Bum is sliding. It’s not some made up narrative.
It might suck to hear if you’re a giants fan but it’s not hard to look at the data and see red flags. If I removed the name and showed you his numbers it’d be a different discussion entirely. Being “MadBum” and being in those spots in October I’m sure has some value to some teams. But you can’t ignore the data.
ShieldF123
@jbigz
At least someone else here isn’t blinded by a name and some post season heroics years ago. MadBum in the AL East and Yankee Stadium would be a HR derby.
spinach
Lol fighting Father Time, Bum in his 20s.
bencole
Well, his innings are fighting Father Time
bencole
Maybe injuries more than innings, but both.
jekporkins
It’s not the years, it’s the mileage.
busterhyman
Not me. If your talking about a 2 month rental I would rather have a proven post season veteran than a inconsistent starter that has never won 13 games. Plus he is only 29. They act like we’re talking about a 41 year old has been.
Ichiro51
Bulldog? more like sensitive
rocky7
Why is he working on his pitch selections only during the last couple of starts….isn’t he being paid to perform at his highest level he can for each and every start fo the Giants?
Bulldog mentality hasn’t been used for about 5 years now and isn’t relevant info any longer.
Head to head against SALE…..don’t think so!
Balk
Dude, what do you know? Have you watched every game mad bum has pitched this year? Numbers do no justice for his starts. Bum will give you a quality start every time. The inflated era is from one bad outing 4 games ago. He’s been hitting 93 94 mph constantly all year. He’s any teams BEST pitching option with his experience in the playoffs.
rocky7
Dude…..Dude…numbers do matter in a potential acquisition like this….are you his brother-in-law …seems like it with your rabid defense of him.
Don’t know how it is in the big bad NL West…but in the AL East, your worst hitter can hit a 93-94 pitch out of the park.
Glad you think he’s the best pitching option as you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine!
rocky7
You also sound like all those Oakland A’s fans who insisted that Sonny Gray was the second coming of Cy Young…..and how did that work out for the Yankees?
Balk
Dude…dude…your numbers don’t tell the story! Don’t judge a book by its cover, ever heard of that! I could care less if any team gets him or not, just people make statements and have no clue what they are talking about. This dude shut down the Dodgers this year, shut down the Rockies this year and there isn’t a better team out there then the Dodgers right now. And you say he can’t pitch against an AL team! Laughable! Half the AL has never seen him which gives him an even bigger advantage. He’s been in the NL his whole career. He would easily tow the rubber against any other teams ace!
Balk
I think Grey was a garbage deal for the Yankees just like Paxton. Paxton gave up a ton of homers in mariners ball park and called that deal garbage the min it happened. I doubt bum would even consider playing for the Yanks in the first place. I see him to Atlanta or Brews. Maybe Twins! Your talking about two different types of pitchers, one that has accomplished nothing in the playoffs against a 3 time World Series champ. Stupid analogy!
pasha2k
The Evil Empire usually gets what they want, that’s why they’re keeping Frazier outta the limelight, being a bargaining chip, unexposed.
bencole
Bad for though, big OF in both SF and NYM. Frazier would be a nightmare there.
Empire Exoticz
If that was the case, Cole and Corbin would be pitching for the Yankees
floridapinstripes
Not really sure why Met fans think they can get Frazier for Wheeler. The best thing to do is compare similar trades of the recent past. Eovaldi is the most comparable with a stuff injury history and being a rental. His return was a back of the rotation mlb ready young arm who was just below a top 15 in the Boston farm which was and is bottom 5 in baseball. Most comparable arm in the Yankees system would be chance Adams. That being said I think he would get a bigger return than chance, maybe a reliever or two like joe Harvey. they could possibly get more I won’t debate that but Frazier or Florian is never going to happen.
jbigz12
I think Wheeler is going to make a lot of money this offseason. I’m betting he gets the Eovaldi deal even if his peripherals stay at this level throughout the remainder of the year. If he makes an improvement I could see him topping that.
I could even see the Mets getting a guy near the top 100 or if not 2 pretty solid prospects in return for him. An analytics team guy for sure. Throws 97 has a 4 pitch mix 45% GB rate 14% Infield Fly rate. I’m betting the team down in Houston probably takes a look at him as well. He seems like the prototype of what they like.
jbigz12
And before I get jumped on for saying that, I said “near” the top 100. That’d be a Nick Solak type of guy. Kind of the exact guy I thought about when typing that up. I think Wheeler would fit pretty well in a rotation with Glasnow, Morton, Snell, and Mckay. Certainly plenty of other teams as well.
pasha2k
Big Nate got the money for giving of himself for the team n. WS. I hope it works fir Wheeler too
bencole
Yup, like your value JBigz
neurogame
Wheeler for Clint Frazier and another top 15 prospect. Is that fair? I’m not familiar with Yankee prospects, but I do know they have a logjam in the outfield and Frazier had to be sent down.
bencole
Fair maybe, but I don’t think NYM is gonna want Frazier in that big OF. He probably isn’t that valuable to them.
jim stem
How about Flovial?
rocky7
Wait, are the Mets outfielders all Gold Glovers…have we missed something?
What’s all this stuff about concerns over “big outfields”…..
The kid Frazier needs to be coached up defensively, but his bat potential is well worth the risk.
Are all outfielders currently playing on ML rosters “complete” players in that they all make each and every defensive play?
Get over it, he had a terrible game which seems to have branded him as a sub-standard over all player which isn’t true, but you’d have to watch some games on Yes rather than just post!
portopotti
Mets outfielders gold glovers!?! Hardly, but let them trade for a defensively sub-par outfielder to add to the other non-gold glovers.
Empire Exoticz
I think Wheeler is a rental and the Yanks are not trading Frazier for a Rental.
braves25
Frazier for Wheeler straight will not happen much less throwing in another piece. Wheeler had never really proven he can stay healthy enough to get a big return. They will get a couple decent prospects for him, but I doubt they get anything like Frazier for him.
padam
I doubt the Mets trade Wheeler for Frazier. Not what they need nor looking for.
sfjackcoke
There’s reason to like both, the way I see it is Bumgarner has a more established floor of performance, Wheeler the potential for a higher ceiling of performance. As pointed out elsewhere crazy that Bum is only 10 months older than Wheeler.
I think Bum’s market will be more active and here’s why
1 he’s LH
2 he seemingly has another gear in playoffs or big games against other teams #1. Best start in 2018 he out-pitched degrom, this year lost 1-0 to Buehler
3 Giants have not worked him hard, plenty in the tank for October
4 SFG will 100% pay down all his deal and seriously does anyone think the NYM will do that with Wheeler who’ll be owed ~ $2M last two months of the season?
I like Wheeler’s better as a FA sign this off-season vs Bum, but SSS aka Aug, Sept and hopefully Oct I’ll take Bum
At the moment this is a thin SP trade market with more buyers than sellers. Factor in the the new hard trade deadline rule and my best guess is NYM and SFG will get a slight premium in return vs recent comps & in general what is being speculated here.
bencole
Yeah this Mad Bum playoff thing just doesn’t make sense anymore. He doesn’t have the same stuff and that was many years ago. An ERA of 4.60 on the road, much of his averageness comes from pitching in the best pitchers park in baseball.
tharrie0820
His road numbers are probably also inflated from playing in the same division as the Rockies and Snacks
its_happening
A year ago people were willing to give up a ton for an injury-prone underachiever in Wheeler. This was even before his second half surge.
Now he is back to being Zack Wheeler, a glorified #4. The Yankees can have him. They’ll clean out their lockers after the ALCS.
steelerbravenation
I want the Braves to make the move & roll the dice that MadBum pulls a Verlander gets reinvigorated and leads the young Atlanta staff to the playoffs. Then they resign him to lead the staff for years to come and next year transition Folty to the bullpen to be the closer.
Maybe they throw in a Dyson or hopefully a Wil Smith in with him too.
Allard, Wentz & Demeritte for MadBum & Dyson
RunDMC
Those Dyson vacuums are pretty spectacular. That package needs a lot of work.
Sammypeaches
I would love to see SF trade MB and will smith to ATL for a killing. And then pull a Yankees and sign both back as free agents
mj-2
I don’t think MadBum is going to bring in a killing. Will Smith will where ever he goes, but I don’t think Atl will pony up for what it takes to get him
mj-2
I also want MadBum over Wheeler
Rather have Watson as the add in
ghost of dave kingman
MB = JV
Watch and See
bravesfan
As great as it would be to have him, he will likely cost too much in prospects and I feel like bullpen is more important at the moment
mj-2
I don’t know any more, the rotation has been trash. The bullpen has been pieced together with a bunch of under the radar guys and they finally have it clicking by pure dumb luck.
I guess who do you trust less at this point? Swarzak, Newcomb, and Jackson as your 7/8/9 or Fried, Teheran and Keuchel as your 2/3/4 starters for the playoffs?
mj-2
I think they need Bumgarner and really need Fried to correct himself by the end of the year.
Not to mention Bumgarner has that experience pitching against LAD. He knows them and how to attack them and have success. They are what’s in the Braves way at the moment.
ffjsisk
Reports of Bumgarners demise will prove to be greatly exaggerated. He’s not even 30 years old. People on this same site buried Verlander a few years ago. Same people said Hamels was toast. MadBum is just stuck on a very bad team and has been nicked up a little. He’ll be fine going forward.
slider32
Trade simulator has Wheeler rated as a 12.6 which would get the Mets a player like Seigler 13.9, Cabello 15.6, or Garcia 17.6.
Wildboyz
I was thinking Seigler
and either Cabello or Pereira
slider32
That would work!
Sammypeaches
I would love to see SF trade MB and will smith to ATL for a killing. And then pull a Yankees and sign both back as free agents
braves25
You do realize they are probably not getting a “killing” for MB.
Will Smith would probably bring a better return then MB does. Maybe a prospect ranked in the top 80-100
Bryce Wilson, either Gohara or Allard, either Justin Dean of Trey Harris, and another prospect outside the Braves top 30.
king beas
Wheeler for that international guy they just signed
mets1536
METS AREN’T EVER TRADING WHEELER TO
YANKS …. THEY’RE PLAYING THEM TO DRIVE THE PRICE UP.
nymetsking
LOUDER….I CAN’T HEAR YOU!
timewalk42
Wheeler is about to fall of the cliff like he always does if your gonna sell the farm for a rental go get some real pedigree and that would be MadBum
jvent
Syndergaard,Diaz and Cano for Frazier,Florial,Loiasiga and Adams.
Matz and Gsellman to San Diego for Mejia and Renfroe. Trade T.Frazier,Vargas,Ramos and Familia
In the off-season trade Nimmo and Frazier to Cleveland since they need Of’s for Bauer.Also in the off season find a home for Cespedes maybe San Fran they need a power hitter.
I would keep Wheeler and resign him unless we can’t do these other deals. Sign a couple BP guys.
Rotation: deGrom,Bauer,Wheeler,Kay and Loiasiga. Adams to the bullpen.
Lineup: Florial Cf, McNeil 2b,Conforto Rf,Alonso 1b, Renfroe Lf, JD Davis 3b, Mejia C and Rosario/Gimenez/Mauricio Ss
Bocephus
Why in the HELL would the Yankees want Cano? Take your meds
stansfield123
Because Cano is a great player. They were in talks for him in the winter too, by the way.
rocky7
PLEASE, the Yankees aren’t interested in a washed up Cano!
PopeMarley
I hope to god you’re just trolling, otherwise..wow
Matt Galvin
He use to be a Yankee and Mets would want Torres in deal to.
petfoodfella
I’m sure CLE would def trade Bauer for those two, since Bauer is a one year deal kind of player lol.
portopotti
I like most of the moves, but why not include Cano for Trout instead?
LostYankeeinexile
Wow…someone started drinking early. Cano? Seriously? Ok that does nothing for us and takes a major $ contract off you … do we’ll do that and you throw in Diaz… that means you want Florial AND Frazier AND Adams for Thor? You seriously think that’s a fair price? You dream my friend. Thor’s good but not THAT good.
BrodiesHairisGreezy!
And while we’re at it DUMP the LOSER Matz to the KBO.
sportsnut969
Trevor Bauer
for
Frazier, Garcia and another offensive prospect between #20 & #30.
The Indians most likely will want a Outfielder or Corner Infielder.
I do not feel the Indians front office believe they are a real threat to teams like Yankees, Dodgers and Houston.
They will most likely deal guys like that will help retool this team on the fly like Bauer and Hand.
jbigz12
That’s not a terrible offer but if Houston came in and offered Kyle Tucker I suspect the Indians are going to take the package w him in it.
hockeyjohn
How do you know what the Cleveland front office believes? It sounds that is what you believe. Once you get to the playoffs anything can happen. The Indians are playing better and definitely in the wild card hunt. They have also cut 5 games off of Minnesota’s division lead so I am not sure that they will be selling or retooling unless the trade helps them this season and in the future. Until they know more about Kluber’s and Carrasco’s health and possible return and how Clevenger returns from injury, I don’t see any Bauer move being made.
slider32
Trade simulator has Bauer worth 39.4, so Frazier or Florial both worth 19+ and Cabello 15.6 would work.
orangeandblue
How about this Wheeler for Garret Whitlock and Tanner Myatt of the Yankees. That makes the most sense for me at this point or even Domingo Acevedo and Myatt.
jbigz12
That’s too light. Myatt can’t even throw strikes. I’d be willing to bet they’re going to ask for Loaisiga, Schmidt or Gil. Probably try to ask for Deivi but that won’t happen. My bet is the Yanks would prefer to move Schmidt or Loaisiga. The latter of which I think is a reliever anyway.
los_leebos
Sorry to break up this lovely string of delusional Mets fan wet-dream trade scenarios, but didn’t the Brewers almost get Wheeler in the non-trade that would’ve sent Carlos Gomez to the Mets before he went to Astros? So he’s been on their radar much longer than last offseason.
citizen
As a braves fan, Id prefer bumgartner. A vet with post season experience.
LostYankeeinexile
With no true aces likely being available I think the Yankees are going for a Robbie Ray type. Maybe Alex Wood. The only other deal I can see getting done MIGHT be for Bauer at the moment. Unless Cashman pulls off some ninja like move … I think the Yankees will be cleaning up with the bullpen after the 5th inning all the rest of the year… or at least until Sevy comes back.
Bocephus
“Unless Cashman pulls off some ninja like move” x
jimmertee
Wheeler isn’t likely to help anyone win playoff games. Madbum might and stroman definitely could.
its_happening
Bingo.
uncle mike
Watch the Brewers front office work!!! They will strengthen their team tremendously before the trading deadline!!! On the other hand, watch the Cardinals President of baseball operations before the trading deadline. He will sit on his thumb as he has over the past 5 years!!!
TheUnknown285
For what it’s worth, Wheeler is from the Atlanta exurbs, so there could conceivably be a hometeam discount if they try re-sign him if they trade for him.
dark vengeance
Forget Wheeler, if the Yankees can’t get Scherzer from the Nationals the only other pitcher they should really try for is Jacob degroom. Yes he just signed an extension yes there is an opt out clause and yes there is a no trade clause but if they guarantee his boyoit year making his contract six years instead of five I think degroom accepts the trade.
The Yankees would have to give up one of either Florial or Frazier if not both along with a top rated pitcher and a couple of lottery tickets but it can get done. They would have the ace they have been missing for so many years and would make a formidable scary staff.
degroom, Severino (if he makes it back this year), Paxton, Tanaka, German, C.C.