The Yankees and Twins, two American League powers, staged a memorable three-game battle in Minnesota this week. This round went to the Yankees, who took two of three in an offense-driven set that saw the Bombers live up to their name in outscoring the Twins 30-27.
While the Yankees are now a major league-best 66-35, they’re surely not thrilled with the way their somewhat maligned pitching staff performed against the high-powered Twins. Starters C.C. Sabathia, Domingo German and J.A. Happ were among Yankees hurlers who took beatings, which could intensify the club’s efforts to improve its rotation before the July 31 trade deadline. That remains general manager Brian Cashman’s primary focus, according to Bryan Hoch of MLB.com.
Over the past several weeks, the Yankees have been connected to just about every top starter potentially available – including the Indians’ Trevor Bauer, the Giants’ Madison Bumgarner, and the Mets’ Noah Syndergaard and Zack Wheeler.
Bauer is near the top of the Yankees’ wish list, per Hoch, who reports they “would love” to see Cleveland make him available. Indians general manager Mike Chernoff seemingly hasn’t closed the door on a Bauer trade, but parting with him would be an unexpected move from a Tribe team that has overcome a difficult start to climb into playoff position. The Indians are 59-42, two games up on the AL’s No. 1 wild-card spot and just two back of the Twins, thanks in part to Bauer. The 28-year-old has racked up a major league-high 152 1/3 innings of 3.49 ERA/4.19 FIP pitching with 10.58 K/9 against 3.49 BB/9.
Like Bauer, Bumgarner’s perhaps an indispensable piece to a team that has emerged as a playoff hopeful. Bumgarner looked like a surefire trade candidate all season until the red-hot Giants won 17 of 21 in recent weeks. They’re currently 52-51 and three back of a wild card. The future of Bumgarner, a Giants icon, looks much more up in the air as a result. Regardless, it doesn’t seem as if Bumgarner – who has the Yankees on his limited no-trade list – is New York’s preferred choice. “Yankees people are said to be less enthused with” Bumgarner than Bauer, Hoch writes.
Meanwhile, Hoch relays that the belief is the Mets are uninterested in dealing with the crosstown rival Yankees at all, no matter what they might offer for Syndergaard or Wheeler. That would be unfortunate for the Yankees, who may be the team with the most interest in Syndergaard and would reportedly be willing to trade their premier prospect, Deivi Garcia, for him. As a soon-to-be free agent who’s about to return from a multi-week absence stemming from a shoulder injury, Wheeler has far less trade value than Syndergaard. Andy Martino of SNY reported three weeks ago that the Mets were open to sending Wheeler – then healthy – to the Bronx, but that might not be the case after all.
Even if the Yankees don’t end up with Bauer, Bumgarner, Syndergaard or Wheeler, they do seem likely to strengthen their rotation this month. After Minnesota shredded its staff this week, New York’s starters rank a middling to worse 15th in ERA, 16th in fWAR and 21st in FIP. Nobody from the group has produced truly great numbers, either. Masahiro Tanaka, James Paxton and German have posted low-four ERAs with aligning peripherals, while Sabathia and Happ have performed like back-end options at best.
One would be remiss to ignore that the Yankees have gone without their ace – Luis Severino – all season because of shoulder and lat injuries. While the Yankees are hopeful the star righty will return in mid to late August, which could provide an enormous boost, it’s unknown whether Severino will be able to go full bore at any point this year. Cashman suggested two weeks ago that Severino could max out at 75 pitches or even work as a reliever. Severino’s ongoing absence has thrown a massive wrench in the Yankees’ plans this year, and it could have a big hand in the club landing an outside starter.
Jmking
First. This piece states the obvious and on scenarios that have been speculated about ad nauseam . A big ol’ nothing burger. The yanks will trade for either Stroman or Robbie Ray, and likely add another reliever.
homeunderdog
exactly
smoked_gouda
Absolutely agree, its Ray or Stroman. Thats what they can get and afford.. Stroman is a better fit but they love those big lefties who walk everyone
yanksallday
I would def prefer some actual news…
SalaryCapMyth
Usually when someone says “first” in their statement it’s followed by a “second”.
loach
Nothing burgers are Connor’s specialty. If you see his byline, you can skip reading and know that you have missed nothing.
Perksy
I think Stroman is the best bet because he’s al east and a ground ball pitcher. Plus from NY.
jay47
Who’s on 2nd?
scarfish
Hysterical.
Chasssooo
What?
Bjoe
Yankees don’t have the prospects to get Bauer.
BasesLoaded
Are they still playing the Clint Frazier Bluff? LOL
Chasssooo
Frazier is over hyped.
robluca21
Agreed. At this point tauchman is a better player than Frazier
KnicksFanCavsFan
Frazier was demoted because he needed to focus on his defense. He was hitting .283/..330/.513 with 11 hrs and 11 doubles in 55 games. How has e proven to be a bust? Any other team that doesn’t have the depth of the Yanks he would be, at the least, a DH. His issues prior to this season had to do with concussions, not the inability to hit.
Anyone calling him a bust is a joke. I’m not saying he can be the main piece for a FOR starter in a trade but he is obviously mlb ready and according to fangraphs there are several current OF that are far worse than Frazier in the field.
jbigz12
They don’t have the prospects to get a guy with 1.5 years of control who will make about 18 million bucks next year? I’d have to disagree. You really believe if they offered Deivi, Florial and Frazier/Loaisiga that wouldn’t do the trick?
sportsnut969
the Indians front office would not hang up the phone on that offer I sure
Floopjack
Cleveland won’t trade Bauer to the Yankees, who they’ll face in the post season. The Yankees don’t have anything to offer that makes Cleveland better without Bauer. I’m pretty convinced that, short of Whit Merrifield and prospects, which would require a 3 team deal, Bauer won’t move until the off-season and, more than likely, if Kluber comes back strong, he’ll be the one traded instead.
Mrivers
No, Kluber’s contract renders him untradeable.
Indiansjoe
2 option years at less than Bauer willl make can’t be traded?
its_happening
Deivi’s a stud, Florial getting owned in High-A and Loaisiga has question marks all over the place. That’s when you call other teams to up the price. Indians can do better than that, and forget the rankings because the package goes beyond that.
Bocephus
No one take this guy seriously, because he can’t even do simple math…4-2 Yankees are the Twins daddy son..lofl
thegreatcerealfamine
@TrimReaper, your prospect assessment is truly suspect.
its_happening
Since you didn’t provide a reason why I’d say you are incorrect.
its_happening
You’re right Bocephus….
Yankees are the Twins daddy unless the Twins go get a pitcher or two the Yankees won’t. Yankees were the daddies of….
– 2002 Angels
– 2003 Marlins
– 2004 Red Sox blowing a 3-0 lead
– Years of underachievement and a WS win thanks to obtaining an ACE in Sabathia.
– 2017 Astros
– 2018 Red Sox (again)
Should I continue? We can do this all day. You think you’re some kind of authoritarian? Ha, Child please….
ColossusOfClout
Twins are 37-100 vs the Yanks since 2002, and haven’t won a season series since 1993. Yanks have the best record (win%) at Target Field of any team (23-11). That’s not even mentioning the lopsided post season massacres. Sit down son, you’re embarrassing yourself.
its_happening
You really do not get it…..
I will repeat, since your arguments are invalid….
The Minnesota Twins can beat the New York Yankees in the playoffs if they can trade for pitching. The 2019 playoffs.
Their record since 2002 is invalid. That would be your argument. Great. Jason Giambi and Derek Jeter can’t save them.
It is embarrassing you have to dig into a past to validate the present. You can sit down and learn something. The previous playoff runs by the Yankees should have taught you something and clearly it hasn’t. You have no standing to teach anyone on here.
robluca21
Ok I agree that pady record has nothing to do with this year. But the twins couldn’t even beat the yanks this year. It took a triple play and a bunch of home runs and yankee injuries for the twins to get a win this series .
ohyeadam
I’m a twins fan and this is 100% true. Yanks own Twins, especially in postseason. 2006 broke my heart.
its_happening
Jesus…..again…..and follow along here…..
The Minnesota Twins can beat the New York Yankees in the playoffs IF THEY CAN TRADE FOR PITCHING.
Guys, if you aren’t prepared to read the fine print, don’t bother coming with silly comments. All of you. Nobody cares what happened back with Corey Koskie played for the Twins.
If Minnesota does nothing at the deadline they will do nothing in October.
Do we have a problem here, fellas?
Dustin Michels
Regular season will not matter in the post season if roster makeup changes for either team. Minnesota can score against NYY we can see that and if they get a Stroman and Giles while NYY does not add then things change. NYY is obviously better right now.
no.27
So you’re saying if guys that aren’t on the Twins now are on the Twins roster in October, the Twins COULD beat the Yankees? Strong hypothetical statement, but what do you know about the Yankees and Twins that makes you think Cashman is going to get out maneuvered by Levine?
The Twins are 6 games above .500 against winning teams this year. The Yankees are 14 games over .500. They’ve got the best record in baseball and have lost TWO series since mid April.
And they’ve done this without any contributions from Severino, Betances, and Stanton, who are all expected to return in August, and will likely have a bigger impact on the postseason than anyone the Twins bring in.
PopeMarley
You’re talking down to everyone and your using an argument of, if the Twins do this, and if the Twins do that. Very interesting.
jbigz12
Get real here no one is giving up more than 4 guys at or within shouting distance of the top 100 for one player. Bauer is great but those are all very solid prospects. That would be a fantastic offer to fall into the Indians lap. Bauer isn’t Mike Trout and that is a lot of talent. Especially for a team like the Indians who won’t run out a large payroll.
its_happening
I said “can”. Not “will”. Clearly you can’t read either. If “can” is an outrageous claim then call what I said outrageous. Is there a team that’s unbeatable? I guess I’m the only person to think not.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@timreaper If/when the Twins get this ace starter then maybe you’d be right but they haven’t yet so what’s your point? Any team can be better than they are if they acquire whatever piece they need to strengthen a weakness. You literally have wasted your time.
PopeMarley
More like he’s wasted a little bit of all our lives by reading his dribble.
no.27
That’s what makes your claim meaningless. While we’re in the present, where the rosters are what they are, the Yankees are the better team. Best record in baseball, best record against >.500 teams, and are at least as likely to improve via trade as the Twins with Severino, Betances, and Stanton all likely to come back in the next few weeks.
Phanatic 2022
Cleveland would take it.
Polish Hammer
They have enough to get him if packaged right.
believeland
Simply because the Indians would want a young OF or 2B that has established themselves in the majors already, I’m not sure if the Yankees would have the pieces. I’m sure they could still find a way to do it but they’d have to overpay for sure. It’s possible, but not likely. It would likely have to start with Frazier (assuming they still like him; having traded him not long ago), and include at least 2 more top prospects (another top 100 and an organizational top 5-10). But even that could be questionable because of dealing your best pitcher to a team you’ll have to play in the playoffs.
jbigz12
Who is going to give the Indians a young established outfielder for Bauer? You need that OF in October if you’re a contending team. The padres have the most expendable OF’s but they most likely aren’t WS contenders within Bauer’s contract. That’s just not a realistic ask. The closest thing to that would actually be Clint Frazier in my opinion. I’m by no means a Yankees fan but that’s probably the truth. I can’t see any other serious contender having an established outfielder as a spare part.
Or Kyle Tucker in Houston. But he’s not established in the big leagues in anyway. I guess speculatively Verdugo but I don’t see any reason to believe he’s available. That’s why this is going to be ridiculously hard to make happen. You really can’t sell Bauer and make the team better immediately.
hockeyjohn
The only way that the Indians trade Bauer is if they believe the return makes them better in 2019 as well as beyond. Garcia, Florial, and Loaisiga do not help in 2019 and Bauer is much more important than Frazier so I don’t see that working. Besides, Florial is having a lousy year and Loaisiga is hurt so both are not very exciting.
I love the entitlement of the Yankee fan base that any team ought to love any offer that the Yankees make.
Cleveland is 2 games out with 10 t0 play against the Twins. They are currently the #1 wild card. I doubt that they trade Bauer, but if they do, they better get it right and not throw away 2019.
jbigz12
No deal where you trade Bauer makes you better in 2019 and the future. It could make you better in the future but that’s it. I think it won’t happen for that very reason. That’s just not realistic.
no.27
Frazier is probably the best ML ready OF that can contribute this season while still having a ton of low cost control (FA in 2024). The problem for the Yankees is that the Indians still have a great shot at the playoffs and don’t want to face Bauer on the Yankees in playoffs. If they were in the NL, I think there’d be a great chance to make it work..
If the Mets weren’t in NY, they’d match up great for a Yankees trade for Syndergaard. Minor has the Yankees on his no trade list. The Blue Jays seem willing to trade Stroman, but are in the same division as the Yankees. The Tigers have an unreasonable price tag on Boyd.
Cashman might have to settle for adding another bullpen arm and hope to take advantage of all the days off in the playoffs where Chapman, Britton, Ottavino, Betances, Kahnle, Green, German, and whoever add could all pitch 1+ innings almost every game.
BartoloHRball
How would the Mets line up well with the Yankees on a trade? From the Mets perspective they need a solid CF and MLB ready (2020) pitching. If they are willing to move Syndergaard it would be for a solid to all-star level CF, which are quite hard to find. Trying to shoehorn in Frazier into the deal is pointless because he is basically replacement level and plays a position the Mets don’t need. The most interesting Yankee pitchers are still 3+ years away, which the Mets won’t do because they need to at least have the perception of competing for 2020. Oh..and the whole NY thing. Brodie should worry about dealing with Cashman, who can run circles around him in regard to being a solid GM and not an agent pretending to be a GM.
Show Me Your Tatis
@hockeyjohn trading Bauer IS throwing away 2019
hockeyjohn
We have been through this, Show Me. I don’t want to see Bauer traded this season. I would wait until the off season when we have Kluber back and know more about Carrasco. Those two, plus Bieber and Clevinger, then they can trade Bauer for areas of need. Teams like the Indians desire to stay competitive and will not let players likely to leave go away for no return.
If the Indians see a situation where they think they can find a trade and make the team better, they will try. If not, they will keep him. This idea started when they were at 500 and 11.5 games behind. I am sure they are weighing all the situations very carefully.
I know your thoughts as you have posted them 50 thousand times already.
jbigz12
Well Deivi is the best they have and he’s in AAA. Loiasiga is also in AAA. They don’t lie up extremely well with Mets but they don’t line up poorly.
Show Me Your Tatis
@hockeyjohn There is no trade where they give up Bauer and make the team better. At least not for this season and next. The only reason to trade him is to add years of control to the roster.
And you are going to keep seeing them as long as people keep spouting this ridiculous “sell while still trying to contend” idea.
Polish Hammer
50,000 times? And that’s just by that user name, counting the others he logs in with the count is much higher.
hockeyjohn
I agree with you for 2019, but disagree strongly with you for 2020. And I will continue to disagree with you about 2020 no matter how much you try to argue it.
Show Me Your Tatis
Why would anyone trade something that will be better than Bauer in 2020 and controlled longer? The whole point of trading for Bauer is to make yourself better in 2019 and 2020. If you trade someone who will be better than Bauer in 2020 you aren’t doing that.
I realize that after this year the Indians are likely to go into fire sale mode. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But if anyone thinks they can do that and still contend they are sadly mistaken.
kevnames42
That would be too much
Show Me Your Tatis
There’s no point in trading Bauer from the Indians’ POV unless it’s a Shelby Miller-esque fleecing. Something that makes them better both now and in the future.
hockeyjohn
Isn’t that what I have said over and over again that you argue with me about?
ctguy
Stroman would be a better fit in NY than Bauer. He is from there and would handle the pressure of playing in NY better.
robluca21
What evidence do you have to back this claim up
Cuso
You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.
JFree47
I think Frazier and andujar is enough to get teams to listen
Jean Matrac
Yankee fans continue to overvalue Frazier and Andujar. Both sub-par defenders. GMs value defense much more than fans do, and the idea of Andujar at 3B and Frazier in the OF is not pretty, no matter how well they hit.
no.27
Before Andujar went under the knife, he had 75XBH as a rookie with a .300 batting average. Being able to pencil him into your lineup until 2024 is a lot of value. Frazier had an OPS over .840 in 210 PAs this year and is also under control until 2024. They may be below average fielders, but the offensive production and team control is valuable.
rocky7
Blah, blah, blah, blah ba blah to you all Yankee haters!
Same sh_t different day!
hockeyjohn
Same useless comment by Rocky7 day after day. Another entitled Yankee fan that sees only of the Yankee side of any discussion and refuses to even look or study the needs of the other teams. Also doesn’t see the flaws of the Yankee players. DEFENSE matters to many teams which brings down the value of Frazier and Andujar. .
Perksy
Bauer doesn’t need to be dealt Indians are two games out
BasesLoaded
Those Boys from the Bay don’t know the word quit.
Jmking
Love it. Send Bochy out in style
brat922
They are Humm Babies, that’s why!
Pickle_Britches
Bumgarner isn’t getting dealt
evilempire28
This article just sums up what a dumpster fire the Mets are. This team will never win anything as long as the Wilpons own the team. #thecoupons. #wilponzies. Very sad
Rocket32
Mets need new ownership who are fully focused on what’s best for their own team and building it up rather then busy obsessing over the Yankees and what they are doing.
Alex hamilton
Getting a top starter would and will be costly. Let’s say Sevy and Bestances are back mid to late August. Yanks have had a lot of success with the “Opener” those two guys could be part of a situation where in a series they go to that format twice. In the playoffs you only need three starters realistically and you could argue just two.. Add another top reliever and it’s a possibility yanks go to this format.
robluca21
I agree with you . Especially in a short series . However if I were planning for October I would count betances and severino out of my plans . They cant be counted on to contribute at this point . Anything you get from them in 2019 is an absolute bonus
vmmercan 2
IF Severino and Betances come back healthy, even in reliever roles, I think you see them employ a hybrid between the Rays’ opening strategy and 2016 Indians.
Something like Tanaka starts game 1, Paxton starts game 3. Tanaka starts game 5 .
Sevy. Betances, German and a FA reliever or two all added to the “bullpen” with Britton, Otto, Chapman, Green, Kahnle.
Barring extenuating circumstances, all nine of those relievers are available every game with the off days and after games 2 and 4 they likely have off days anyway with a starter going the next game.
On games 2/4/6 etc. They bullpen it with Sevy as the long man, CC as the emergency starter for extra innings/injury.
That’s a 12 man staff allowing the 4th bench spot they likely employ in a playoff series.
fitsiqis65
It’s all rumors for the Yanks b/c its exactly what we need. However, cash has shown paralysis in getting good pitching for nearly 20 years! other than the first CC signing (the last 2 have sucked).
Go ahead cash backers name one SP better than a 4 that he has developed? one better than a 3 that he acquired or signed? I like tanaka but he is so inconsistent, same with pax. seve has basically one half season of starting that was great, Happless? i’m still cleaning up puke from his signing and performance and hell what’s 2 more years of him…..
My guess based on history is we get nothing useful for October (ray…) and are sold a bill of goods about nothing else being available/price too high/seve coming back is like acquiring a difference maker.
#Cashmustgo
Will Glover
Dude get off this site.
robluca21
Severino , Montgomery, CC, Tanaka , wang, Phil Hughes, hiroki kuroda , roger Clemens, Mike mussina, David wells , Andy pettite 2.0
All had spectacular runs at one point and were brought in by cash .
vmmercan 2
Which two halves between the start of 2017 and halfway point of 2018 are you conveniently ignoring for Sevy? Who btw has only been on the field as a starter for 2.5 combined seasons and is still not even prime age for a SP?
Also, Happ was great most of last season and has one more year and a vesting option.
How’d Shawn Chacon do when he came over?
How’d Kuroda do? How’d Mike Mussina do? How about when he re-acquired Andy Pettitte? How did El Duque do? You can dislike “tanaka” all you want for whatever reason but he still fits your criteria. How did Chien-Ming Wang do?
Clemens? Wells?
Your argument that the Yankees have essentially never had better than a three starter since 1998 is a little alarming when they are the only team to have never dipped below .500 at any point during that time.
fitsiqis65
severino who basically had one half a season of solid SP and got bombed last year year from July on?
Montgomery who’s pitched a total of 180 innings in his career?
Shawn Chacon is a real legend and HOF candidate, that shawn chacon?
Phil hughes who wound up in the dumpster for the Yanks with one good season in the rotation?The one whose last 3 seasons in NY produced era’s of 5.8, 4.2, and 5.2? he’s a stud (that is why they let him walk for nothing)
Plus i can name you 50 pitchers he acquired who sucked and currently suck starting with Happ and CC.
I’ll give you kuroda who was decent and Muss
However, Petite, clemens, and wells are not his. Nor are anyone from the core four teams. he inherited those gifts and continues to live off of it.
He has spent more on and off the field in the last 18 years than anyone and has won as many world series as the royals and rockies.. been too as many as the Mets…..
Yeah time for him to move out and lets see how well he does in places like Tampa, Oakland and Pittsburgh,
and my argument is not from 98- its from 02′.
KnicksFanCavsFan
This 2019 team is testament to how good Cashman has been and if you can’t acknowledge how he acquired Didi, Voit, Hicks, Green, via trades for almost nothing , developed Severino, Sanchez, Judge, Andujar, Montgomery, Betances, traded outgoing free agents for Frazier, Torres and others and hit a homerun with DJ this last winter then you’re crazy and nothing will satisfy you. Should he have overpaid for Patrick Corbin? Maybe but the Happ signing made sense. CC as a 5th starter made sense. Sometime it’s on the player to perform the way they were supposed to. Can anyone blame him for the failures of Sonny Gray? No. You can acquire ANY player that has performed well outside of NY but if they can’t handle NYC I put that on the player not Cashman.
fitsiqis65
a lot of this is beyond laughable.
Since your boy Cash wrestled total control of the team in 2005 they have been to one WS- or as many as the mets. they have won as many as the phillies, royals and white sox aka the titans of the game- which is exactly once.
Cash has spent way more than any other team in that time both on and of the field. in fact our bullpen payroll alone is more than some whole teams
The one time cash did get a stud pitcher we won. The problem is that its 10 years later and he still relies on that same 38 year old pitcher.
his failures with SP are obvious and the names you recite all prove my point. Thank g-d we got Chacon. Boy did cash develop Hughes and joba and kennendy and the killer Bs and…… Every team fears Montgomery… Yawn. Seve has picthed well once at seasons end out of teh pen and then for 3 months as a SP before reverting to a 5 plus ERA (Hopefully those 2 turn it around.)
Ergo- his fine work with the sticks and developing position players is totally negated.
Since when was it the Yankee goal to just play in October or win a tleast 82 games? By any executive measure he is not really successful given the goal and his resources.
One world series in 15 years. he’s so awesome.
LostYankeeinexile
Just for arguments sake here… which GM are you hiring if you fire Cashman? I mean it’s easy to pick through anyone’s failings. Is there a GM out there that has been perfect for the last 14-15 years? I don’t care about money advantages or what was inherited … given the reality that he’s had to work in … Cash has hardly been the worse GM in baseball… here’s looking at you Mets and Orioles.. Not defending Cash so much in this post as I am asking.. who’s your better option?
fitsiqis65
no i never said he was the worst. I have said he is a b at best and more likely a b-. he gets credit for winning some trades and rebuilding the farm. However, that’s not how we judge GMs in Yankee Universe. That he gets applauded despite being outclassed for the past 18 years is ridiculous.
This yearly ongoing pitching debacle is on him and only him.
The mets and orioles stink b/c they are cheap on and off the field with terrible ownership. The steinbrenners get a bad rap but are not terrible owners.
I would take a shot with a GM who has has a modicum of success with limited resources and give him a shot in NY. It’s just time. Its pathetic that with all of Cash’s resources the pitching is still a problem and we have been to WS once since 03….
I’m good with whoever runs, Tampa, Cleveland, St Louis, Milwaukee etc….
If the goal however is to win at least 51% of the games and make the playoffs then great keep him. if the bar is shawn chacon ( i really can’t stop laughing) or Phil hughes than yes Cash is teh greatest GM ever
LostYankeeinexile
Ok .. well let’s accept the premise that it’s a GMs responsibility and job to put the best team on the field as possible. Let’s look at some of the misses Cash has made recently… Gray, Pineda … then some middling or yet to be seen results … Paxton, Severino… and some successes Mussina, CC … I’m honestly trying to see a B- there … it’s not an A+ …. but I can see a B+/A- rating there if I was being fair. I’m a Cash supporter true, but don’t see a Billy Beane or Erik Neander doing any better. Having the Yankees payroll you’re percieving as an asset. In Free Agency perhaps … but in trades it actually works more against them. Cash has to talk down other GMs from these lofty expectations of getting Gleyber for Boyd or other such nonsense. It’s an extra step that takes time away at deadlines. I don’t think there are many GMs out there that would know how to navigate the NY media, big market expectations, and rabid fandom like Cash has. I mean this is a guy that negotiated and was willing to walk away from Jeter in NY … not many people would be able to handle that.
fitsiqis65
how about Happless and CC this year (combined era of just shy of 10)
Garcia
Pavano
Lance Lynn
Esteban Loaiza
an old and broken down randy johnson
an old and broken down kevin brown
eovaldi
chris capuano
freddy garcia
the bix sexy
sidney ponson
javier vazquez
javier vazaquez (b/c the second time was no charm)
darrel rasner
kei igawa
jaret wright
corey lidle
I give up but could do more homework.
For my next segment I can cover all the great pitchers he’s developed.
I don’t buy the idea having all the resources in the world is a negative detriment and not an asset. How else would explain his moves to acquire voight and hicks among others???
His pitching acumen stinks. pitching wins playoff games. The Yanks have been to the world series once since 2003.
BTW resources don’t seem to be an issues for the red sox or dodgers
so yes a B-
LostYankeeinexile
I never said it was only a detriment, but there is an art to bring a big market GM… by the way … the Dodgers and Red Sox have Both also gone through several GMs and emptied their farm systems to the point of future fraught being all but certainty. After Sale and Kershaw run their course the will have to rebuild just like every other team has to. I’m not sure if you’re understanding how baseball goes here as a business. Dynasties are not built overnight. It seems you want to deny Cash the 5 rings he’s been a GM for … ok but if you do that you also have to look at what he’s done with the detriments he was handed. How many top 100 prospects did we have since Jeter? What shape was our farm to even make trades when Cash took over… what crap did he inherit as well as what good did he inherit. … and what position is he maneuvering to now? If he lands Bauer or Syndergaard this trade deadline or offseason … it’s on a system he built. That takes time and drafting. Also Yankees have been able to claim just about any international draftee they wanted. The power position we are in their is all cashman … but still a B- … I think you have some unrealistic expectations here man.
fitsiqis65
unrealistic? fixing a pitching staff for a contender is not unrealistic.
for whatever you and the others try and do to defend Cash- the facts are the facts.
The Yankees have been to exactly one WS in 18 years. he has consistently failed to address the pitching in those 18 years with one or two exceptions. He has spent more on and off the field in those 18 years by a long-shot than anyone else.
B- and time to give someone else a shot.
slider32
Bombs away, with the juiced ball this year it doesn;t matter who they get. Time for the Bombers to hit their way to a championship. Even Verlander is complaining about the ball.
fitsiqis65
good pitching still beats good hitting every time…. with happ cc and every other tanaka and pax start we are just seeing bad pitching.
king beas
A syndergaard trade starts with glyber. If not no Noah pretty simple. Plenty of other teams interested have the blue chips it’ll take unlike the Yankees no need to take a Garcia headliner when you can get tucker or Whitley as a headliner
Yankeepatriot
LMAOO !!! Torres + for Syndergaard ? You are insane. A straight swap is too much let alone that package
vmmercan 2
This is stupid. Why do people think Gleyber is akin to a blue chip in trade value? He’s younger than most rookies and a two time all star who can play multiple middle infield positions and hit 30-40 HR. He’s a top 10 trade value in the sport, period. His name doesn’t get mentioned for Noah, who is struggling, injury prone and does not have ace numbers.
And beyond that, if the Yankees really wanted to throw Frazier, Dominguez, Florial, Garcia, Gil and German into the mix of trade assets, a combo of that is good enough to get Noah whether you like it or not.
BartoloHRball
Syndergaard “Struggling…injury prone, and does not have ace numbers”
Don’t let the facts get in the way of your lack of baseball knowledge. He is one of the top 20 pitchers in the MLB over the past 4-5 seasons.
In the ~4 seasons worth of pitching (spread across 5 years became of his injury shortened 2017) he has amassed a 13.9 WAR….so nearing 3.5WAR per season. His career 122 ERA+ and 2.85FIP are #1 starter stats.
Yes, his 4.33ERA stinks this year, but he has a 3.64FIP. He has played with an atrocious defense. Put him on a team with a good defense and that has a winning culture (unlike the Mets), I could realistically see <3.20 ERA. That is #1 starter and likely top 15-20 in the league.
Let's look at his similarity score (Bill James statistic) …here are the 4 closest players:
1. Jose Fernandez (966.6)
2. Blake Snell (959.2)
3. Luis Severino (958.6)
4. Aaron Nola (955.7)
Is Syndergaard still not an ace?
Okay…let's look at Similarity Score by age 25:
1. Sonny Gray (976.8)
2. Roy Oswalt (974)
3. Tim Lincicum (969.6)
10. Blake Snell (959.2)
As for injuries…he's on pace for another 150IP season, which would mean he has pitched at least 150IP 3 out of the past 4 years.
Please tell us more how he is a scrub.
beyou02215
The Mets are not going to trade Syndergaard. If they are suggesting that they might, they are just wasting everyone’s time.
PopeMarley
Do you have an inside to the inner workings of the Mets FO?
Wahoo What a Finish!
Give us Frazier, Andujar, and Florial and you can have Bauer. Otherwise, we will see you in October and Bauer will be pitching against you in ALDS game 1.
Indiansjoe
No way Cleveland’ trades Bauer in a playoff run for that
rivera42
Are you sure you’re going to make it to the ALDS? Lol @ that proposal. Yeah, no thanks.
wanderguzman
Dear Yankees, stop the wishful thinking about getting bauer, he is not getting traded,get Stroman,Al pitcher proved in the AL East. Thanks.
allweatherfan
The Mets would be stupid not to trade with the Yanks if the offer is right. Isn’t the goal to try and put the best team on the field? You take a great offer no matter who it’s from.
fitsiqis65
Greatest GM ever. I’ll take an overweight 38 year old retread and a 36 old aging never was for 3 years over Morton and Corbin any day of the week.
Folks stop defending him- it’s his job
#cashmustgo
1nthechamber
Madbum will be available. Giants arent going anywhere. Theyre offense is awful. They’re just waiting till the last second to get the best deal out of the yanks. Bauer is staying in Cleveland and thor is staying (smh) in a New York uni, albeit a Mets uni, even tho the mets are a worse version of the giants
rocky7
Agreed, the Giants would have to go on a long win streak to even be in position to get one of the 2 wildcards. Not sure how their last 3rd of the season schedule plays out, but if they have to play the Dodgers any amount of significant games, then their chances get lessened even more.
Don’t know if Madbum will be made available but their GM will probably wait until the last minute to extract the best return. Of course, depending on which team that is, that may work against the Giants as there are less starts for Madbum left in the season.
thethrill
By long win streak do you mean 3 games? Cause they are only 3 games back of the wild card. well they just went 17-3 over 20, is that a long enough streak?
Jean Matrac
The Giants have already played the Dodgers 12 times and their record is 5-7.
Melchez
Yankees get Ivan Nova and MLBTR and other Yankee fans celebrate like they picked up Randy Johnson.
pflabby
I think at the end of the day Cash Ninja is going to trade for someone that is not listed in this story!
fitsiqis65
i’m intrigued and will take the bait. who are you thinking???
oneiblnd
I know this a stretch for the Yankees but what about Greinke? I know he is owed a lot and aging but still one of the top pitchers.
SausageOfDoom
It is fairly well known that the Yanks don’t think Greinke has the mental makeup to pitch in New York.
Louiebeans
The reason I haven’t watch one Yankee game this season.
They did not upgrade their SP staff which could have been done with nothing more then just cash in the off season. Because yes they will make the playoffs as the do but they will fall short due to the lack of SP and the guy they run out in left field that couldn’t hit a LICK come the Playoffs.
I was against bringing back CC Happ and yes Brett Gardner.
I also said that CC and Happ won’t and cannot get outta the 5th inning.
Last night Happ went 3 innings.
I don’t wanna hear on how these guys are good for the clubhouse. It’s a poor excuse. As someone said it’s the Yankee smoke screen which I saw coming years ago. They don’t go out and get a thing they make excuses so you fans cling on to them and the make excuse after excuse why there was nothing out there worth trading for.
Fast forward and here we are talking about the same thing year after year.
Now it’s more then haff the SP that cannot get outta the 4th inning.
It’s almost the entire SP staff that can’t even give you 100 innings pitched. Are you kidding me? SP should be able to give you 150-200 innings.
They refused to fix their SP over the years which needed fixing years ago. SO the holes they had years ago became bigger now it’s the whole SP staff.
Excuse after excuse after excuse.
Let’s stay tuned ad see what excuse they got for not getting anything. Better yet the’ll grab someone else junk a #5 and pray.
Dumpster diving – The Yankee way.
fitsiqis65
hold on now slugger- you have some Cashman fans here who think he’s done a great job with the SP staff.
They point to his acquisition the great Shaun Chacon as proof, or Jordan Montgomery. How about Phil hughes?
They even credit him for the fab 5 (I include bernie)
I wonder if they think that resigning Happ for 3 years and CC was in the teams best interest over Morton and Corbin?
One world series since he wrestled control of the team in 2005. one! despite outspending the planet and having the largest best and highest compensated front office in the game. One world series. he’s awesome!
Louiebeans
He has done a terrible job we have SP that cannot pitch 100 inning. You cannot be serious to think he’s done a good job. SP is supposed to give you 150+ innings. How do you think this rotation will hold in in the PS?
I would have brought Corbin Morton in or both. You can’t tell me it’s not kicking them in the butts right now.
The Yankee SP is a complete joke and I’m tired of watching the same thing over and over. Smoke screen follow by bringing in old me. Can’t fool this Yankee no more.
fitsiqis65
louie you know im with you on the SP. i am mocking the others here who seem happy that we are over .500 every year or make the playoffs. they have no understanding about the role pitching plays and what a difference corbin and morton would make over happ and cc. good pitching beats good hitting every time
of course they also fail to understand the advantage cash has over other GMs
hockeyjohn
Any GM with the amount of money that Cashman has available to him should put out a competitive team. Could Cashman do the same on the budget of the Indians? Rays? A’s? I doubt it. The GMs of those teams can not afford to make a big mistake because they don’t have the budget to fix those mistakes.
fitsiqis65
Thank you- That is my point and why I get so irritated with the Cash love fest.
I repeat one WS win since 01 which is as many as the great Marlins.
BTW- who is responsible for the fact that they are desperately pitching hunting right now???
ifonlydetroitcoulddraft
Detroit is scouting Trenton this week. Greene or Boyd on the Yankees radar?
jbigz12
milb.com/roster/index.jsp?cid=567&sid=milb
If it’s Boyd all the Tigers fans are going to be upset because none of the Yankees premier prospects are in Trenton.
Boogaloo
“This round went to the Yankees”
What round did the Twins win?
thegreatcerealfamine
They got knocked the Fork out!
Polish Hammer
What happened to all the replies? I only see 6 right now.
beany_boy
If I’m going to trade Thor I want at least Iron Man in return.