The Yankees have placed left-hander C.C. Sabathia on the 10-day injured list and recalled utilityman Tyler Wade from Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, the team announced. Sabathia is dealing with right knee inflammation.
This continues a brutal week for New York’s pitching staff, which has taken beatings at the hands of the Twins and Red Sox over the past several days. Archrival Boston has been especially hard on the Yankees, having outscored them 38-13 in the first three games of the teams’ series. The Red Sox pounded Sabathia on Saturday and will try to sweep the series Sunday.
The Yankees still boast the AL’s top record (66-38) and an eight-game lead over the Red Sox in their division. Still, pitching’s a significant concern for the Yankees leading up to the July 31 deadline, and Sabathia’s health and performance issues could further put the onus on general manager Brian Cashman to bring in outside help.
This is the second IL placement this year because of right knee inflammation for Sabathia, who has undergone multiple knee surgeries in his career. When Sabathia has taken the mound this season, the potential Hall of Famer has looked his age (39). Now in the last season of his career, Sabathia has pitched to a 4.78 ERA – nearly a full run higher than he combined for from 2016-18 – with a 5.93 FIP in 90 1/3 innings.
allweatherfan
The price of starting pitching continues to increase.
dimitrios in la
And the Yanks will have to pay that price.
AlvaroEspinoza 2
Yes, a pricy priced price.
Raysbear96
Yep the Yankees now have given up any leverage they had and they will have to be top of a bidding war to land a Stroman, Boyd or Ray or possibly 2 of them
deweybelongsinthehall
Disagree as how many GMs really thought the Yankees were pitching CC as a playoff starter? Things change if another team’s need increases and a bidding war is created. The Yankees already though were likely to pay a premium to trade with Toronto (intra-division) or with the Mets if other teams make otherwise deemed equal offers.
boo rad
Having said that, is there one contending team that is not in on every pitcher available to one extent or another. If Yankees want a pitcher, no matter the talent level, they will not be the only one at the table. It’s going to cost them.
deweybelongsinthehall
Trades are always a game of poker, especially when the clock is running. Time will tell. I understand your point as I previously suggested the armed Sox being in on a starter was more likely just to get the Yankees to pay more.
sheff86
Any Yankee fan that had him as a playoff starter is delusional. And I am a gate. But I did not have them starting any of the playoff games even if we were clinching three games tonight
GB85
Ol’ Cashman is gonna have to start ponying up for pitching before this thing really snowballs. No division lead is safe in July.
GarryHarris
Perhaps just a long man in the pen.
petfoodfella
It’s been a fun week of watching the Yankee’s lose, and lose bigly.
ColossusOfClout
This is the first series they’ve lost in 7 weeks, wouldn’t get too excited.
Jonthunder
Good point.
AtlSoxFan
It’s not that its the first series loss that’s a cause of concern.
It’s getting pounded into the dirt 3 straight, and likely a 4-game sweep, at the hands of the lingering redsox.
raginbull17
Spoken like a true Mets fan
Theduke233
Bigly? See you in October.
Grapeweasel
Addition by subtraction.
JaysForDays
Bauer, Boyd, Madbum… all wont be traded. And the mets won’t trade them anyone, so that leaves what…. Stroman, Ray, and Minor for the yankees? The first 2 will cost you a ton. Might land minor for a bit less if Cashman continues to clutch his prospects purse so tightly.
Old User Name
The Yankees are on Minors no trade list and it’s believed that he doesn’t want to go there. Not just for leverage.
billysbballz
Actually the Yanks and Arizona line up for a trade that may work for both teams.
Arizona sends both Grienke and Ray to Yanks and eats 25% of Grienke contract if he waives of course to be traded to Yanks so that the Yanks can stay under the second cap which is the highest penalty cap.
Yanks send back a few pitchers from their farm and either a Thairo Estrada or Tyler Wade or another position player not Florial or Frazier. I don’t think including Florial or Frazier is necessary in this deal but if soo and one of them are in it then I guess it is what it is. Cash is smart and will not give away the farm when the Yanks are obviously not acquiring an Ace in the deal.
Results of this trade:
Arizona gets rid of Grienke salary and starts rebuild with some good young arms.
Yanks place Ray in pen this season and Grienke in rotation for playoff stretch.
Win win.
jdgoat
Greinke isn’t an ace?
Eightball611
Right!!! Many said the same about John Lester and look what he’s still doing. I guess it takes a lot to be an ace
dobsonel
Greinke is the only ace available right now.
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
Greinke in NY…with his history of anxiety…we’ll see
scottaz
LOL Dbacks will never package Ray and Greinke. Dbacks might trade one, but won’t trade both. Greinke is NOT a salary dump. Dbacks are NOT doing a fire sale. Yankees are beyond desperate for pitching and will have to pay an excessively high price for anything of value. Every team in the league knows it. Greinke probably would not be willing to accept a trade to the Yankees, and invoke his no trade clause.
For Ray, Yankees will have to pony up a package of utility level players Frazier and Urshela, injured but potential #5 starter Loasiga and a Top 25 prospect, the only one of those the Yankees have that is even close to fitting that description is Jasson Dominguez. Dominguez isn’t ideal for the Dbacks to trade for because they want near major league talent in a trade for Ray and Dominiguez is far from major league ready.
Dtownwarrior78
Why in God’s name would Arizona do this deal? Love it when Yanks fans come up with these BS trades that only help their team then sit there and argue with you why it’s a “good deal”? Lmao
Mystery Team
I’m a Yankee fan and I get what you’re saying. The only guy I disagree with most on is Frazier. I think Frazier is a very good hitter and his glove is not as bad as many would have you believe. If you put him in the NL in a hitter friendly park he would thrive. With that said the rest of the names I’ve seen tossed about are stupid. Florial has played his way out of being the number one prospect in any package for a frontline starter and Loasiga is overrated. Garcia will be an elite bullpen arm but not a starter and he’s two to three years away from relevancy at the MLB level. I don’t see the Yankees trading for any big name arms except for relievers and that’s not even a given. I see them trading for a guy like Ian Kennedy or maybe a Carlos Martinez if he was made available although that’s doubtful.
Alex hamilton
I agree that Frazier is a very good hitter, and will at least be a acceptable fielder. Seems like yanks are punishing him. I agree with your assessment of The Yankee farmhands. I do like Loaisiga, seems to have good stuff. Him and Garcia are a bit small and don’t realistically see them as anything but a 5th starter or fill in. Kennedy would or should come cheap and in my mind a good risk. Unless, the staff starters turn things around the WS is not going to happen.
Oxford Karma
Greinke is not built for ny. Also at this point Ray would probably be their ace. Not sure why they’d put him in the pen.
dobsonel
I can see the Yanks doing this deal for both but it would most certainly cost Devi and Florial and probably 2 or 3 more. Wade has no value so he wouldn’t be included.
The Greinke not build for New York is a tired narrative.
AllRiseForTheJudge
I’m a Yankees fan but stop making us all look stupid, please. First of all, Grienke is an ace, end of conversation.
Second of all, it would take Cashman eating ALL of that contract to get him for pennies. No, he’s not a straight salary dump, but Arizona is going absolutely nowhere and signaled the start of a rebuild by trading Goldy, so why not get rid of what is a year away from being an albatross of a contract by unloading a pitcher who is merely keeping people in the seats rather than keeping the team truly competitive in a divsion that is and will continue to be dominated by the Dodgers for at least the next 5 years?
With that said, Greinke is a headcase and will never waive his NTC to come here because he already knows he can’t handle the media scrutiny the first time he gets shelled, especially if it’s in the playoffs. Forget Greinke, he’s not coming here.
dobsonel
He is not a headcase.
steelerbravenation
Greinke is made for Atlanta
Is there a more perfect fit
Shoulda been done yesterday
I don’t care who we give up how much money gets eaten by who
I lived thru the wainwright trade didn’t kill me
Lived thru the Tex trade didn’t kill me
Also lived thru the 95 WS and having see your team win it all is worth all the aggravation of cheering for years of mediocrity
Problem is these GMs are all worried bout winning trades and not worried bout winning rings
Same with JS if he woulda went out & got a legit closer in 91 we beat the Twins in the greatest WS ever played
Point is whoever gets dealt and goes on to whatever in their career we as fans will get over and be over long after GMs get fired
Now I am not saying cave in and trade the whole farm but how often is an ACE available for what would amount to short term commitment Get Arizona to eat some of his salary but I don’t think 2/70 is bad at all especially when you are paying JD 1/23 coming off an injury
Think bout it Whoever gets Stroman isn’t trading him next year
MadBum is not going to be worth on the back end of his deal what he will be getting paid
Cole is not coming to Atlanta
Who else over the course of our window will be attainable for less ????
It is the epitome of overpaying in a short term deal only thing we would be getting him in the middle of the year
Plus the team is super young you can afford to overpay now there is not a lot of money on the books for the next 2 years
KnicksFanCavsFan
@billybballz
Yanks fan here. No way the Dbacks settle for unnamed pitching prospects and position players “not named” Frazier nor Florial. I took it to mean lesser prospects (Wade, Estrada, etc) vs just guys not named on a top 100 list but are still god prospects (Gil, Garcia, Cannan Smith, etc).
I wish people would stop acting like Greinke’s contract is bad. He’s a top 10 pitcher in the market getting what other top 10 guys that have been in the league for 6+ years. Kershaw ($31 mil) and Verlander ($33 mil) are getting.
Greinke may not be a top 5 SP but in the last 5 years he’s failed to pitch 200 IP, have an era under 3.21 and strike out at least 199 once. HE IS A LEGIT ACE.
However, Greinke and the Yanks are constantly mentioned and for reasons explained previously, it’s doubtful either side wants to join each other.
Certain pitchers excel eslewhere, come to NY and suck, leave and return back to their previous greatness. I think Greinke would suffer here to.
But he is an ace and I doubt the Dbacks will eat anything other than the deferred money for the years he’s been in AZ.
alien
stop fantasizing!! everyone knows Yankees is desperate for SP!! they demand kings ransom for any controllable arms..and Cashman will have no choice but to pull trigger..
Melchez
Greinke has some kind of anxiety issue… He’s allergic to prison (Yankee) stripes.
And what about Lasagna? He’s that ace that you guys keep trying to pawn off for real major league players.
Yankeepride88
Greinke and Ray from the Dbacks. I’m sure it will still cost at least Frazier, Florial, and probably Devi but if the Yanks take the entire Greinke contract I could see them swinging a deal for those 3.
Raysbear96
Boyd will be traded his value is decreasing and Tigers need to sell somewhat high
tomselleck
Lol Frazier
allweatherfan
Yankees fans seem to have Frazier ranked as the next Mike Trout. He’s not. He’s easily expendable.
whyhayzee
Maybe he’s the next Kevin Bass.
dobsonel
No we don’t think that. Frazier has an all star bat with a second grader’s glove. He’s a future DH.
alien
Frazier is defensive liability, that is why he’s not everyday starter
Yankeepride88
Ignorant to think that all Yankees fans think that, but okay.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@wesstl No Yankee fan sees him as a superstar so stop it. However, he IS a good cost controlled bat even with his defensive liabilities. Please don’t try and tell me there aren’t players worse than Frazier in the field.
Louiebeans
Good you the Yankees should have moved on last year. You can’t even get outta the 3rd inning. You won’t be missed
dobsonel
He’s gotten out of the 3rd inning every single start this season but nice try.
Louiebeans
So now you wanna make excuses for CC and the Yankees? Do you not realize they should have moved on from CC last year? Or you just another guy believing the smoke their blowing up your butt hole? You actually believe he was gonna win 10 games? You actually believed he was gonna get outta the 5th inning?
You don’t see their SP rotation problem are you just gonna make excuses for them? Mad was DONE last year..
KnicksFanCavsFan
@louiebeans What do you not understand? You made a dumb comment about CC not getting past the 3rd inning and he corrected you.. In 14 of 17 starts CC went at least 5 IP and the Yanks are 11-6 in those 17 starts. And in some of those starts either the bullpen blew it or the Yanks scored less than 3 runs.. That’s what he was brought in to do as a 5th starter. Relax. It’s the rest of the rotation that’s the bigger problem.
thegreatcerealfamine
So this guy bases getting out of the third inning as an excuse for signing CC back..what a crock of sh-t. Funny isn’t it how two of Cashman signings this past winter are imploding near August like many of us predicted, same happened last year. Brantley-Corbin-Mortin looking so much better than the great loyalty, gritty, clubhouse presence, leadership presence some of these people have been chirping when it comes to those signings.
KnicksFanCavsFan
You guys realize your scrutinizing them bringing back CC as a 5th starter right? Please look at the 5th starter on most teams. Thanks. Let’s move tf on. CC isn’t the blame. It’s the injury to Severino and the under-performance of Happ, Paxton and Tanaka..
Why do ppl act as if CC was brought back to lead the rotation?
thegreatcerealfamine
Yea most of those teams aren’t expecting to make the playoffs.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Yanks are making the playoffs and if the 1-4guys are healthy, CC will likely come out of the bullpen.
yanksallday
Don’t think they Yanks need to be buyers after the last week…
scottaz
Yankees can get either Ray or Greinke from the Dbacks for a package of Frazier, Urshela, Loasiga and Jasson Dominguez
Old User Name
Dominguez not eligible to be traded until after the WS.
robluca21
Yeah but he could be included ad a player to be named later if the yanks wants to trade him before then …just like the dbacks did with Dansby swanson
Old User Name
No way that happens.
robluca21
Never said it would . Simply refuting your previous statement
dobsonel
Why would they trade Urshela? He’s a gold glove caliber short stop whonis hitting .300. Especially since DJ is now hurt and Di Di has FA coming this winter.
Old User Name
fair enough.
thegreatcerealfamine
Simple, PITCHING
Melchez
“Why would they trade Urshela? He’s a gold glove caliber short stop ”
Really?
Urshela is a 3B and he has a terrible fielding percentage and very little range. As long as he doesn’t have to move, or catch or throw, he’s a fantastic defender. Yankee fans are a special kind of fan.
Melchez
I get it… Urshela looks like a gold glove defender after watching Andujar last year. I get it now.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Urshella’s metric aren’t “terrible” but I would say that the metrics don’t match what I’ve seen of him and what reporters rave about in games. Generally I wouldn’t make comments like that but in his case it’s true. I was amazed at what fangraphs has him at. The guy is nice with the glove displaying range and a great arm.
dobsonel
Typo I meant 3B
Dorothy_Mantooth
Time for the Yankees to nut up or shut up. They are not going to find another sweetheart deal like they did for Encarnacion. Every team in the league knows how desperate NY is to add at least one SP (and maybe two) and they are all going to demand a significant prospect return in exchange for a difference maker on the mound. A case could be made that Minor should bring back just as much, if not more than Stroman does. Time to see if Cashman has a set or not. My guess is that he won’t pay the required price and will have to settle for a DFA deal to add depth arms to the team.
Caution: Objects in the mirror (Red Sox) are closer than they appear
Louiebeans
Shoulda been fixed in the off season.
Ronk325
The Red Sox are still 8 (9 in the loss column) back of the Yankees. It’s still not close
thegreatcerealfamine
The season doesn’t end on July 31.
Ronk325
We’re two thirds of the way through the season and the Yankees still have a significant lead. Plus they’re the far superior team. This weekend’s series has been ugly but it doesn’t change who the better team is
thegreatcerealfamine
On July 28th the Yankees do hold a 8 game lead, but if they lose tonight it’s down to 7. Yes the season is “two thirds of the way through, but it is easy to cut 2 games off a lead a week. With plenty of games left to play against the Sox, roughly 9 weeks left in the season, and the Yankees pitching its been done to other teams before. “but it doesn’t change who the better team is” That is far from being decided.
Ronk325
You do realize this is the Yankees first series loss in 7 weeks right? They’re rotation is gonna through an awful stretch but it won’t last forever. You also realize that outside of their lineup the Red Sox are an incredibly flawed team right? Their rotation isn’t nearly as good as people make it out to be and their bullpen is terrible. Look at all the injuries the Yankees overcame early in the season to get to where they are and tell me that they won’t get through this current stretch
thegreatcerealfamine
The Red Sox rotation as it stands right now far exceeds the Yankees. I hope the Yankees do get through this stretch, but it’s truly only “hope”, and not your confidence.
Ronk325
Now compare bullpens and lineups
Clavette
If the Yankees think this is their year and they are only a starter away from a WS (pretty sure they do and should think that) they will pony up the cost of what it takes to get a good or better starter
Dtownwarrior78
If Cashman is wanting to get a starter for not only this year but for the future then he needs to push in a top prospect for Boyd. Alot of people say no due to the fact that he’s just breaking out this year but he’s going to get better. He is a major strike out pitcher and that’s what’s important in the playoffs. Al Avila will sell him and his 3 remaining years (cheap years which is also important to NYY) for Frazier and another good prospect. And why Cashman balks at this I don’t know, due to the fact that your OF will be full for years to come anyhow?
ellisburks
The Yankees are out in the first round no matter who they pick up. They would need two guys who can go at least 6 and give up less than 3 runs in the playoffs. Right now they don’t have even one guy that can do that. If they make the ALDS.
jdgoat
I agree they aren’t really built for the playoffs. But if they can add one of Stroman, Thor, or Bauer they might be alright. This is a huge if, but if Serverino comes back and is himself, it’s like their own trade deadline pickup. Obviously how good he will be is yet to be seen. Shoulders are a sketchy thing to deal with. But just assuming he’s back and they add one arm, they probably will be alright. Then they only need one of Paxton, Happ, or Tanaka to be good down the stretch to pitch as their number three.
dobsonel
Yanks aren’t afraid to bullpen games so if they come up empty handed at the deadline they can still go the distance. Just need to have a short leash this time around.
ColossusOfClout
Not really. Five innings then turn it over to that killer bullpen, especially if Betances is back and effective.
whyhayzee
severino and betances are on the postseason buffet for all you can mash opposing hitters.
JoeBrady
It isn’t really a killer BP. Ottavino &Britton have BB/9 of 6.0 & 4.3. They’re 4th in ERA & 5th in OPSa. Even Chapman, as good as he is, is having a really bad month.
Ronk325
You say “if they make the ALDS” as if they don’t have the best record in the AL. All of the hysteria about the Red Sox catching them for the division is nothing more than recency bias. Sure the Sox have bludgeoned the Yankees this weekend but that doesn’t change the fact that the Yankees still lead the season series and have an 8 game lead in the division. Not to mention the Sox have major pitching problems of their own. Their rotation is noting special either and their bullpen is horrendous
ellisburks
The Sox trio of Sale/Price/ERod are miles ahead of the Yankees starters and getting hot at the right time. The bullpen is not great but the starters are miles ahead of the Yankees staff.
Ronk325
Let’s see here Price’s ERA has gone up half a run in his last 2 starts while facing the Blue Jays and Orioles, wouldn’t exactly say that’s getting hot. Sale has struggled against good lineups all season and has fallen off after July each of the last 2 years. Also ERod is not better than Tanaka or Paxton, they’re really struggling right now but their career numbers show they are far better pitchers than ERod. Add in that the Yankees should be adding a solid SP by Wednesday and Severino will be back eventually and the Sox’s rotation is definitely not “miles ahead of the Yankees”. To say the Sox bullpen is not good is a huge understatement. It’s terrible and the Yankees bullpen is certainly “miles ahead of the Red Sox”. Lastly the Yankees have the better lineup top to bottom as well
KnicksFanCavsFan
@ellisburks In Tanaka, Happ and Paxton the Yanks have pitchers that have and can do that this year. It’s just a matter of pitchers getting hot at the right time. Severino is a wild card since we have no idea what he can do when he gets off the DL.
Cashman will get a great pitcher as long as the price doesn’t get absurd. If the Dbacks like 2 or 3 prospects already then who knows?
ellisburks
Tanaka(4.79), Happ(5.23) and Paxton(4.72) are not the pitchers I described. They have history of pitching well but none are good enough to stop playoff teams offence. Severino hasn’t pitched this year and is only now throwing so you can’t count on him. Right now The Yankees would have to get 2 starters from trades to get close to second round.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@ellisburks Again, in the playoffs you just need a pitcher to get hot for 4-5 starts and the guys I mentioned are capable. The same way we’ve all-time great pitchers suck in the playoffs we’ve seen a pitcher get hot and carry a team thru the playoffs.
64' Yanks
This is the team that Hal built….A Ferrari with four bald tires and one big flat in the trunk! Maybe years ago pitchers didn’t want to go to New York due to the big city, but they might have another reason and it’s Larry Rothschild!
fitsiqis65
its not hal- its cash. Hal sets the budget which is not too shabby (top 3 in MLB every single year). Hal didn’t sign happless and the fat man, hal didn’t bring back gardy, hal didn’t pass on corbin and morton, hal didn’t deal for stanton etc…. I can go on and on.
However, your general points are well taken. But seriously, want do expect Roth to do with a rotation that includes a beat up old man in CC, an aging never was in happless, tanaka with UCL issues, and no pitching development to work with on the farm.
thegreatcerealfamine
Funny how we’re sitting here on July 28th and those two big Cashman signings are sitting on the IL probably with nothing more than wearing down from ageism.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@thegreatcerealfamine
So since you mentioned ageism and IL are you referring to Sabathia and Gardner? The two guys he spent all of $16 mil to be the 5th starter and hold LF until Frazier was ready? We focus on those two moves and ignore the DJ and Urshella signings? Ok. I see how you operate.
Cashman didn’t sign Corbin (even tho everyone screamed how he wasn’t worth $150 mil +), passed on Morton and he didn’t trade for one of Kluber, Carrasco or Bauer (who I’m not even sure was on the market last winter).. Who knows what those teams were looking for? I’m sure it would’ve included guys we didn’t want to lose.
thegreatcerealfamine
I operate on getting the Yankees biggest need in the offseason, the best starting pitching available, and that was Morton-Corbin. Nobody I know was clamoring to bring back Happ after that performance against the Red Sox in the playoffs. Certainly nobody was screaming to bring CC or Gardner back. Also trading for a pitcher with such a huge injury history in Paxton was a mistake. I do give Cashman huge props for Tauchman, because of Frazier’s shortcomings. With the money they blew on Happ-CC-Gardner for a few dollars more they could have Brantley-Morton-Corbin.
If I see one more Yankees fan post about how valuable Frazier is I’m gonna hurl.
KnicksFanCavsFan
what problem do you have with Frazier? ok, he bumbled some plays but it’s the first time he’s hsd defensive issues either in the minors or during previous call ups. Either way there are much much worse defenders throughout baseball. meanwhile his bat has shown that he probably belongs in the majors. not sure why he isn’t but his numbers are what they are even in a small sample size.
that being said, i wanted Harper/ Brantley/Markakis. Had no problem with Happ. he made sense.
a) long history of success in AL East.
b) pitched great last yesr for both the Blue Jays and the Yanks.
c) Great peripherals too support his numbers.
d) great success vs Red Sox
e) his 2 year deal was reasonable.
Happs hasn’t worked out but i wouldn’t put that blame on Cashman. there’s no reason why he should’ve have brought him back and if age is your reason thrn they would’ve passed on Morton whos basically the same age.
Louiebeans
Ding!
KnicksFanCavsFan
@geeson You’re an idiot. Happ had was dominant last year so bringing him back wasn’t absurd. Cash also developed Severino, Montgomery and German. Is it his fault Montgomery and Severino were hurt this year?
Cash is the only GM that can have a team suffer having almost the entire team on the DL at one point and time , still have the best record in baseball as HIS buy low pick ups (Voit, DJ, Urshella, Tauchman, Maybin, step up and perform at a high level yet get’s criticized for not doing anything.
fitsiqis65
Really?? How many World Series have the yanks been to in the last 18 years? How much has he spent on and off the field trying?
Who’s putting these teams that fail to get to the WS together? Who has nearly a quarter of billion dollars a year to put the roster together??
Who passed on sale scherzer verlander cole and Corbin???? Who signed happless who got obliterated by Boston when it mattered last yeR? Who brought back the broken down fat man? Who hasn’t developed one top or even decent starting pitching in the last 18 years?
Oh sorry thank god we have tauchman Maybin and urshela , thank god we are 500 every year…
KnicksFanCavsFan
Who passed on sale scherzer verlander cole and Corbin????
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Who says any of those pitchers would have the same success in NY? Who’s to say what the cost would’ve been for any of those guys? Maybe we wouldn’t have Judge, Severino, Sanchez, etc. Stop looking at everything in a bubble. If you can’t appreciate the fact that this team is where it is because of the GOOD moves Cash has made then root for another team.
And by no means am I saying he has no blame in the current pitching staff but give it a rest. Last year everyone was demanding we trade for either Kluber or Carrasco. Well who would we have to give up to get either and what makes anyone think those guys would be healthy for the Yanks this year.
Steven Chinwood
It’s hard to take anyone serious who roots for the Knicks, and the Cavs simultaneously. How does that work when they’re in the same league? By the way people are free to scrutinize anyone in the United States of America comrade.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@stevenchinwood What do the NBA teams I root for have to do with this discussion? Maybe I’m a die hard fan of one and have buddys that play or have played for the other? Grow up.
And yes anyone can make any criticism they want and I have the right to voice my opinion about their take. That’s what we do on sites like this.
Steven Chinwood
“And yes anyone can make any criticism they want and I have the right to voice my opinion about their take” by calling them an “idiot” and referring to someone’s comment as a “dumb comment” wow countering their argument with civility.
fitsiqis65
Ah i see what your issue is. You think MLB is fair and equitable like the NFL or NHL. So there is no margin to grade GMs on other than W/L.
In your fanstasy land world, Cash is graded against the marlins. Ergo he is so awesome.
so lets quote Forbes “The New York Yankees are the most valuable team ($4.6 billion) and had local revenue of $712 million last year, the most in MLB and more than the bottom six teams (Miami Marlins, Tampa Bay Rays, Oakland Athletics, Kansas City Royals, Cincinnati Reds and Baltimore Orioles) had combined. The Dodgers ($3.3 billion), Boston Red Sox ($3.2 billion), Chicago Cubs ($3.1 billion) and San Francisco Giants ($3 billion) round out the list of teams worth at least $3 billion.”
I’ll help you with math for a second. The Yankees have about 40% more value – 1.3 Billion in dollars more than #2. That’s actually enough for every poster here to go to Yankees game in the lower section eat and have some 15 dollars bud lights for a lifetime.
with that he has the best paid front office, an army of the top scouts, analytics guys and tech geniuses analyzing every aspect of the game.
Yet somehow since 2001, The Red Sox have won 4 WS, the Cubs broke a 100 year old drought just 3 WS ago, and the Giants have won 3. That’s 8 world series for the high revenue teams in the last 15 years plus the 2 or 3 the dodgers have been too
Yup- Cash has done a great job dregging up Tauchman, Urshela, and Maybin.
Some jack-A** the other day even raised Shawn Chacon as a case for Cash’s brilliance
Move over Cash and let someone with brains AND balls do the job.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Voit, Torres, Didi, Andujar, Urshella, Sanchez, Judge, Hicks, Severino, Montgomery, German, Betances, Green, Holder, Tauchman, Maybin, Paxton, Frazier were all either drafted, traded for using prosoects or minor league free agents. Those are the core pieces of this team and ANY team regardless of their salary limits could’ve acquired. So yes, Cash has done a great job. Look at Sonny Gray. Great before the Yanks, sucked in NY was traded abd 6 returns back to his usual high performance. not Cash’s fault he had performance issues. ar the end of the day you go out and get the players but it’s their job to perform.
fitsiqis65
Thanks Steve- you da man.
fitsiqis65
Lol- so cash and the Yankees have been more successful than the sox giants cubs and dodgers since 01 b/c cash has been shrew a bunch of times. Naturally you prefer that to winning. Hilarious.
Alex hamilton
I cringe when I hear the name swing and miss Stanton, another long term liability.
steelerbravenation
I think the Yankees believed they woulda had MadBum by now
I think their only real options are Ray or Stroman
luckyh
Surprise! I said it when they signed him for one more year. It won’t end well.
Louiebeans
Surprise! Don’t bring back CC for 2019. Here we are same ol same ol.
fitsiqis65
this matter very little. CC has been deteriorating for a while now and as the season moves on his effectiveness drops like a stone, especially against better teams like the twins and sawx- he’s lucky he hasn’t see Houston in a while.
His absence is a benefit if the Yanks give a youngster a shot and truly test em out. Not a spot start here or there, not a yanking first time they hit a rough spot but an actual opportunity.
Logic would dictate that the fat man starts have a high percentage chance of a loss anyway so barring the acquisition of someone better this is at worst a neutral thing for the team and at best a step forward. throw him his well deserved 3 years overdue retirement party and move on.
Louiebeans
Shoulda parted ways last year. This is what the Yankees do they don’t go out and get new blood. They just bring back the dead
thegreatcerealfamine
How many runs does German give up in the first tonight?
Steven Chinwood
Vegas has 7 runs in less than 4 innings.
Macho King OG
Do JA Crap and the Big Sap even have the guts to step up and pitch a decent game? Or are they just the latest versions of the trash pitching that’s come through the Bronx over the last decade and a half.
Bald Vinny
OMG. How will they replace his production? 5 Era pitchers aren’t too available.
smoked_gouda
It’s comical how it seems Cashman is playing chicken w these teams as to whom blinks first… next thing he knows they’ll have missed out in their targets and have to pay a silly price for mike leake. Stop hugging prospects that wont contribute to this team and make a move.. or miss out.
2dmo4
Dude needs to hang em up.
Alex hamilton
Better yet put him on the retired list. Calling up Wade? Who the hell is making these calls? Estrada a mu h better option.
PopeMarley
And send Gardner on a permanent fishing trip.
fitsiqis65
This is a repeat for the guy who somehow loves the Knicks, Cavs and Cash
ah i see what your issue is. You think MLB is fair and equitable like the NFL or NHL. So there is no margin to grade GMs on other than W/L.
In your fantasy land world, Cash is graded against the marlins. Ergo he is so awesome.
so lets quote Forbes “The New York Yankees are the most valuable team ($4.6 billion) and had local revenue of $712 million last year, the most in MLB and more than the bottom six teams (Miami Marlins, Tampa Bay Rays, Oakland Athletics, Kansas City Royals, Cincinnati Reds and Baltimore Orioles) had combined. The Dodgers ($3.3 billion), Boston Red Sox ($3.2 billion), Chicago Cubs ($3.1 billion) and San Francisco Giants ($3 billion) round out the list of teams worth at least $3 billion.”
I’ll help you with math for a second. The Yankees have about 40% more value – 1.3 Billion in dollars more than #2. That’s actually enough for every poster here to go to Yankees game in the lower section eat and have some 15 dollars bud lights for a lifetime.
with that he has the best paid front office, an army of the top scouts, analytics guys and tech geniuses analyzing every aspect of the game.
Yet somehow since 2001, The Red Sox have won 4 WS, the Cubs broke a 100 year old drought just 3 WS ago, and the Giants have won 3. That’s 8 world series for the high revenue teams in the last 15 years plus the 2 or 3 the dodgers have been too
Yup- Cash has done a great job dregging up Tauchman, Urshela, and Maybin.
Some jack-A** the other day even raised Shawn Chacon as a case for Cash’s brilliance
Move over Cash and let someone with brains AND balls do the job.
JoeBrady
Stroman looks like he’s gone. One less SP on the market squeezes Cashman a little more.
Bocephus
Cashman is a joke when it comes to pitching. Sorry Yankees everyone else knows it but you guys.
fitsiqis65
what? cavs knick cash lover thinks not! he doth think that Cash has done well signing Happ and CC and trading for the likes of eovaldi, pineda, and grey…..
Louiebeans
I’m a Yankee fan and already know this. I’m waiting for the yearly smoke screen and announcement from Cash on how nonthing was worth while.
julio1221
Syndergaard future Yankee. Frazier, Florial, Garcia, and Green make it happen
phillyballers
Ellsbury + mid-level prospect + 5M for Greinke
Who is taking on Greinke’s contract honestly?
Alex hamilton
I’d take on greinke contract, if, they took swing and miss in exchange. That being Stanton.
Alex hamilton
Forget anyone taking Ellsbury unless they happen to need a peanut vender.