While Nathan Eovaldi has been slated to become Boston’s closer, the Red Sox continue to monitor the closer market, with MLB.com’s Jon Paul Morosi (via Twitter) reporting that the Sox have “active interest” in the Blue Jays’ Ken Giles and the Padres’ Kirby Yates.
The bullpen has been seen as a longstanding problem for the Sox dating back to the offseason, when the team seemed content to let Craig Kimbrel leave in free agency and then more or less stand pat with its relief options. That strategy has resulted in some pretty inconsistent results from the Red Sox pen this season, with Eovaldi’s recent role change seen as a two birds-with-one stone idea that would both help preserve Eovaldi’s elbow and get him back on a mound quicker, and also address Boston’s need for a stable closer.
Of course, Eovaldi has no experience closing games, so it makes sense that the Sox would at least be checking into options like Yates and Giles to see if another move was possible. That said, there are a lot of obstacles standing in the way of a trade for either closer. The Jays have a big asking price on Giles, while the Padres would reportedly only trade Yates for “an overwhelming offer.” Ergo, acquiring either right-hander would require the Sox to dig deep into an already-thin farm system.
In a pure bidding war for young minor leaguers, it seems unlikely that the Sox would be able to outbid most other interested suitors for either Giles or Yates, and their normal financial might (in terms of taking on money to accommodate trades) is limited by the team’s close proximity to the top luxury tax threshold of $246MM. Neither Giles or Yates are on particularly big salaries, though every dollar counts considering Roster Resource has Boston’s luxury tax number at just under $244MM.
While high-profile trades between division rivals are usually pretty rare, the Red Sox and Blue Jays combined on a notable deal just last summer, when the Sox acquired future World Series MVP from Toronto. By contrast, one wonders if the Sox could actually have a tougher time completing a trade with the Padres given the controversy that erupted between the two clubs over the Drew Pomeranz deal in July 2016. That said, San Diego and Boston have combined on one swap since the Pomeranz trade, the relatively minor deal last November that saw Colten Brewer go to the Sox.
If nothing else, Boston’s interest in Giles and Yates indicates that the team still sees itself as a contender and a buyer at the trade deadline. At this point, however, it seems like the Sox are vying only for a wild card spot, as Boston sits 11 games behind the Yankees in the AL East race. The Red Sox are three games behind Oakland for the final AL wild card berth, and with a tough road to travel just to get to a one-game playoff, there has been some suggestion (from both the Boston Globe’s Peter Abraham and MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo) that the Sox should consider trading some veterans to unload salary and restock on young talent for another run in 2020.
Boston’s next 14 games are all against either the Yankees or the Rays, with eight of those games coming before the July 31 trade deadline. Both Abraham and Cotillo cite this upcoming stretch as the potential turning point of the Red Sox season, with Abraham describing the team’s July 29 off-day as “the organization’s deadline to decide whether this season is worth trying to save.”
Soldierofgod619
Almost every contender will check in on both Yates and Giles.Padres should trade Yates if they get a quality piece or two back.
tenman85
Both will be expensive in terms of prospects. Red Sox next three series vs the NYY and Rays may determine what they do at the deadline.
Randy Red Sox
By the time that happens there will likely be no need to acquire either
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
I’m almost of the mindset I wouldn’t mind selling off a few of the assets and calling it a day. Let’s do what the Yankees did a few years ago and trade some guys for the sake of the farm. Red Sox will always be right back in the saddle next spring because of how they go after free agents to plug holes.
So I’m not talking about a major rebuild. Sell Assets Now, Coast into spring training sign some guys and be ready to contend again.
Randy Red Sox
totally agree
delete
The Red Sox don’t have a lot of free agent flexibility- their OTB dollars are being consumed in the next few years by major arb cases and re-signing needs.
Randy Red Sox
that is not new i am afraid
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
Agreed. I’m of the unpopular opinion that They should trade Mookie while he’s still under control, sell high. I don’t want to see them pay 300-400 million to retain him.
Randy Red Sox
I have said exactly that same thing
bostonbob
Agreed. Get what you can for Mookie, they won’t pay what he will want. This year is almost done, while they are done.
thefenwayfaithful 2
Now everyone sees the light? I’ve been screaming this for months. Look at the Yankees and Astros… Seems very unlikely to me that we win a 5 or 7 game set against either. Let alone a wild wild card game.
Everyone has said I’m nuts and blasted me all season, but it’s the only way to sustain success. This buying strategy is a huge mistake.
Ketch
Unless they trade a major arbitration case or two…
Bostonsportsforlife
Exactly this. I thought what the Yankees did was smart. sell anything of value, restock and sign people back if they are worth it. unfortunately, I think the owners think they need to contend every single year. this is not our year, so restock for the future. Also, Mookie isn’t going to get what he wants from us, so trade him for the biggest package you can
deweybelongsinthehall
Yanks actually followed the Sox playbook when they traded Lester, Miller and Lackey. In return, they ended up with E. Rodriguez, Joe Kelly and indirectly Porcello. Buying teams have learned since then and who outside of Porcello who has little value today based on this year’s pitching and salary do they have that will provide a return? Trading Bennie? He’s had a lousy year and is worth more to the team than a likely return? Mookie is the only one. Is that who you want to trade? Even him would not get you the return you’re likely envisioning. Only one with true value is Rodriguez who the last few weeks has pitched better. Price and Sale aren’t booing anywhere.
deweybelongsinthehall
Yankees also caught lightning in a bottle, trading with two starving fan bases that demanded winning today at all costs. Who today is in that mode?
deweybelongsinthehall
*going anywhere
its_happening
Dewey I hear what you’re saying, and I think a couple months back we talked about the idea of dealing Mookie Betts (it was either you or another Red Sox fan).
Question is, who’s the best possible trade partner in your mind for Betts?
deweybelongsinthehall
TR, no idea because I don’t know other teams like I Know the Sox, Trading an established star is not the usual Boston M.O. It’s definitely not DD’s. Problem is unless your taking a chance on multiple young minor leaguers, corner outfielders don’t have the value today like years ago. With the juiced ball, there are many doing what was considered special just five years ago. What could change is if a now team gets a key injury in the next week. Even that I doubt would result in a knee jerk overpayment. Had Porcello been pitching like 2016 or late last year, he was the guy who could have brought good prospects back (IMO).
its_happening
Absolutely on Porcello. Betts is interesting; A lot of contending teams are either comfortable with their OF, have luxury tax concerns or refuse to spend (Cleveland). It’s a very tough call.
jdgoat
I got roasted on here for suggesting it but it even makes more sense than what I thought. Granted that was before Sale and Bogaerts were signed but this makes it even clearer. Trade JDM and maybe eat this years money so you get a good piece, and then seriously consider Betts. Is one more kick at the can next year worth having to go into some sort of rebuild? Maybe, maybe not. But that would be a haul that would rejuvenate their relatively weak system. Add that onto their pieces they already have and it could be an extremely quick turnaround.
its_happening
I agree. They have to explore the idea of dealing JD Martinez. Finding a real fit is the problem. Houston?
deweybelongsinthehall
who did Detroit get when JDM went to the Snakes? I can’t recall. As I said before, corner outfielders as good as they might be, don’t get much in return.
libbo
Oh yee of little faith…
deweybelongsinthehall
Sox interest in both could simply be to force other teams to increase their bids, especially for Yates.
andrewgauldin
I don’t think the Red Sox have enough prospects to get a deal done considering the asking price for Yates. The Red Sox would need to subtract from the MLB roster or completely deplete the farm.
Anybody have any idea what the Red Sox would need to give up? Casas+ what else?
floridapinstripes
from what the Padres would want. It won’t happen because they don’t even have a top 75 prospect nevermind 50.
jbigz12
Groome and Flores? Those 2 have the kind of sky high ceilings Preller is going to be looking for. He certainly doesn’t need anymore mid range prospects w lower ceilings. Better fits to move Yates than Boston for sure. DD isn’t afraid to toss all his prospect chips in though
User 4245925809
I’ve seen u mention Groome before. While he may have front end potential, the guy hasn’t thrown any innings since TJ last Spring and isn’t expected back to game action until sometime in August, no team is going to take him and give back close to value ATM.
As for other pitchers with potential, they have 2 20YO’s in Bello and Mata. Ward and Shugart, then Houck and Hernandez at both Boston/AAA. All have more value than Groome right now.
Flores is years away I might add and so young. Chatham is maybe 1-2y away from MLB and a solid defensive SS hitting well at AA.. Howlett (greeneville), even Decker at Lowell (to me) are better bets than Flores
jbigz12
That’s the point on Flores. He has the highest upside. Chatham is a low ceiling player. I don’t think the RS have enough talent for Kirby Yates to begin with. The Padres don’t need more of the prospects the Red Sox have. They have those guys in spades. Hypothetically if they were to make a deal though they need to target the highest upside guys. I think the highest upside guys are Hernandez, Casas, Groome, and Flores. None of them are even close to being a sure thing but I think at their ceilings that’s The best of the crop.
Preller doesn’t need immediate talent w lower ceilings. Which is really my point here. I don’t think Boston lines up well with them at all for a trade for Yates. They’re better off going after a better farm or keeping him for next season.
thefenwayfaithful 2
It would be more like Flores Casas Houck and Groome. In other words it would be a huge mistake and none are guarantees for Preller. I assume they might still be outbid.
rocky7
In all fairness the Sox do have prospects but may not have the comparable high end, or soon to be MLB ready obvious prospects other teams looking to acquire might have, which definitely puts them at a disadvantage in discussions.
It also depends on which positions the Padres or any team “selling” needs or wants as far as a return so the obvious match based on minor league talent may not be so obvious.
Why wouldn’t Preller take his best offer from other teams? Yates is at his ceiling and should bring back high end talent.
deweybelongsinthehall
Sox are better off staying put.
luckyh
I agree. Who would want Porcello or any of the starters with their schizophrenic ways this year?
sdsuphilip
There is no shot the padres would even consider such a deal.
Show Me Your Tatis
Padres don’t even really need prospects. If they trade Yates they should be using him to dump Myers.
jbigz12
Yeah, I don’t think he has enough surplus value to make Myers’ 60 million dollars movable though. Only 1+ years of Yates available. And if any team in baseball would eat most of Myers salary in order to get Yates I think it’d be the Dodgers. And that’s not a real good look for SD.
sdsuphilip
Then they should just keep him.
jimmyz
What do the Padres gain by keeping Yates for next season?
sdsuphilip
They should keep him past next year as well
aussiegiants53
My thoughts exactly
Koamalu
So you are proposing that the Padres trade a closer in the midst of a historic season just to dump Wil Myers contract?
Why not just dump his contract altogether? The wins Yates brings to the table are worth more than the relatively small amount of money they would have to kick in to trade Myers on his own.
Or package 2-3 mid level prospects with high upside potential with Myers and actually get something in return.
It just makes no sense to include any player with value in a trade that involves Myers.
jimmyz
The only way another team accepts Myers in a trade is with another player of positive value going to the team taking Myers
Show Me Your Tatis
“Relatively small?” Come on Pads Fans, the Padres would have to eat like half of Myers’ contract just to get rid of him. Moreso if they are getting back something decent in return.
And the idea is that Yates only has one more year of control (the same reason you are against trading for Trevor Bauer) and at 32, might not have much career left.
jbigz12
Lol the relatively small amount of money they’d have to kick in to trade Myers. Who the hell do you think is paying Wil Myers 60 MM over the next 3 years? The Padres are going to have to eat 40 of that to facilitate a trade or take on a bad contract swap with him. You’re not going to attach Gettys and Nix and clear his salary off the books. You’re living in fantasy land if you think that’s happening.
The-Beast
A team trading for Yates is expecting to compete for a WS in 19 and 20, The Padres are not expected to compete for one in 2020.
padreforlife
Bingo
padreforlife
Although Red Sox taking on 68 mil owed to Myers being already in high tax bracket not happening
pasha2k
For a supposed thin farm the Redsox put almost an entire home grown field out almost every day. For whatever the reason is they have trouble developing pitchers. I hope Nate dies well fir himself, but seriously unless they go on a streak this yr is dead. Mookie is not performing like last yr, not is JD. My fave player since baby face first came up is Devers. I always thought he’ll be the Ortiz clone, lol! His season is the bright light amongst the “opting out talk” or impending FA talk.
hastedlm
Jd is going to op out and chapman to more money
Show Me Your Tatis
JD isn’t opting out
luckyh
Unless he goes on a real tear, I agree. He might be able to nab another year at the same AAV.
iwojimausmc
very interesting but highly doubtful they get either given lack of minors depth. wonder if someone like jbj is on the block. as good as he is with the glove, a national league team sure would like him in their spacious outfields. hate to see him go because he is so gifted in the field.
floridapinstripes
Giles maybe but Yates won’t happen.
thorshair
Red Sox have no prospects
ffrhb14Sox
They dont have the top prospects they had before so many graduated to playing in Boston and others were traded for a few key parts to a championship. Hard to restock quickly when you are winning and don’t sell off a season. That being said, they have prospects but hopefully don’t trade any on this WS hangover year.
dalrob
I would stay away fromGiles. His elbow is barking right now. Hasn’t pitched back to back in a long time.
Randy Red Sox
In another few days the Dox will have no need for either
Heat21
Yes trade him to Boston. We need a closer and more. I’m a hater to negative comments. Just complete the trade now.
hastedlm
Giles elbow is fine
Ronk325
What’s the point in posting these articles about the Red Sox interest in the top RP’s available when it’s well known that they don’t have the prospects to acquire either?
jbigz12
If the RS offer up Groome and Casas for Giles, is that not enough? The Jays May prefer more arms but they have some pieces that are valuable. It’ll be more difficult because they don’t have the quality depth like other systems.
Randy Red Sox
If the Sox give up Groome and Casas for Giles I will personally punch DD in the face. This team is GOING NOWHERE !! Face it FO. Sell off your assets and get ready for 2020
Down with OBP
And as a Jays fan, I would punch Atkins in the face for getting so little in return.
24TheKid
Why? That would be a really good return for Giles.
Down with OBP
Sure. Now let’s wait until the actual return comes it and we can talk then.
sdsuphilip
No it wouldn’t
its_happening
OBP – I’ll watch the door….
hastedlm
DD has been known for stupid moves
Ronk325
I highly doubt it. Groome is damged goods right now and Casas isn’t a good enough headliner for Giles. I’d have to imagine the Blue Jays want a high upside pitcher without baggage in exchange for Giles
jbigz12
Don’t know. Giles has the makeup issues and has already had his fare share of meltdowns in his career. He’s a shaky gamble. Groome’s value is low but he wouldn’t be the first guy that was sold hurt. They did the same to Espinoza. Teams will gamble on the arm talent if the upside is there. If they wanted to go lower down the upside spectrum you could target a Tanner Houck or Bryan Mata or a package of the two. I think the ask on a guy like Yates is miles higher than that of Giles. Giles has far more question marks than your typical high performing reliever.
Randy Red Sox
Groome had TJ at 19 or 20 and he should be just about ready to return to the mound. At one point he was rated as the #1 overall draft pick
jbigz12
I agree completely. I would not give up both Casas and Groome for Giles. I’d give up just Casas + some lotto tickets but not Casas and Groome. I think every team interested in making a deal w the Sox should be asking about Groome though. This is the time when you can get a potential bargain. If Toronto was just focused on pitching returned in a trade perhaps they ask for Mata/Houck + Groome + back and roll the dice on upside. That’d wipe out the Sox top pitching prospects but DD has never been afraid of that before.
I’m uncertain of the market for Giles. I wouldn’t be sure his value isn’t dinged for his past blowups/attitude issues. He’s a bit of a headcase for sure. It’ll be interesting to see what the return is for him.
rocky7
There is no guarantee that he’ll be the same pitcher (# 1 in the draft) after TJ surgery.
Some come back and some do not.
TJ surgery is not the golden ticket to pitching just like before that most think….Groome having major TJ at 19-20 years old certainly isn’t a good sign given the wear and tear his arm may need to sustain over a career.
hastedlm
Ross acktins already said they dont get value for giles they wont trade him.
Randy Red Sox
it BETTER NOT BE any of those pitching prospects you mentioned
Randy Red Sox
exactly
Ketch
According to http://www.baseballtradevalues.com, Yates for Casas straight up is a fair trade.
But what that site cannot incorporate is competitive offers from other teams and tell whether or not the Padres have any interest in Casas to begin with…
Down with OBP
^ so that settles it. Lol.
rocky7
And I guess you believe them right?
The Padres have a desirable asset and probably will not “settle” for less than the best offer. Don’t think they care whether baseball trade values.com approves of the trade.
Down with OBP
Why do Red Sox fans think they have an enviable farm system?
king beas
Yankees fans think the same thing. Both systems stink
Bocephus
I rail against Yankees fans quite a bit, but your comment is truly ignorant.
badco44
We don’t…. win the division title three years straight, and move your first pick back 10 slots. And have DD for a GM, = to shot farm
Ketch
No one thinks the Sox have an enviable farm system. But the Sox do have a GM who never saw a prospect he felt was untouchable. So where most GMs stop trading due to a depleted farm, Dombrowski keeps wringing every last prospect out of it.
hastedlm
Redsox farm system is crap
aussiegiants53
While the Sox might be creeping closer to that tax bracket, if they take on Will Myers contract would the Padres be inclined to do a deal? They might prefer to free up some cash then getting prospects back. Red Sox and Padres fans, what say you?
johns-11
$245M lol ouch
its_happening
Boston wouldn’t make a great trade partner. Jays shouldn’t bother unless the Red Sox want Phelps.
hastedlm
Id keep phelps hes not going to hurt ya
its_happening
Certainly. But they got him to potentially deal him. So far he’s been adequate. Cubs and Twins could use him. LA too.
pinballwizard1969
After playing the Rays, Yankees & Rays again by the trade deadline there may be no need for the Red Sox to “add”. It’s probably more likely they could be sellers.
badco44
Strike Four
Boston has no chips for Yates, theres like 9 contenders in front of them with far, far superior farm systems.
Goose
Dombrowski is a ‘go for it’ GM. When it pays off you win the title and when it doesn’t you are left in a heap with bad contracts and no farm system. (SEE Detroit)
Last year everything came together for the Sox. You can’t go over the cap as the penalties have changed and you can lose draft picks staying up there.
The Pablo contract was a disaster. Pedroia’s contract is now a disaster. They are paying Manny $2 million in deferred money and when that comes off the books Pedroia’s contract runs out and he gets the same for a few years.
They need to clear space to keep the young players and retool.
The smart plays were letting Kimbrel and Joe Kelly go to free agency. They weren’t worth the price tags.
They shouldn’t have given the money to Eovaldi or Sale. Now they are stuck with them.
If Mookie thinks he is Trout then you have no choice but to move him and get two or three good prospects and maybe a couple of serviceable ones to beef up the farm.
With the state of pitching they should also get Price out there on the market.
I suspect the Sox end up in ‘Dombrowski Purgatory’ in the next two years.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Yanks fan here. Agree with Sandoval (and Hanley Ramirez) but not Pedroia. No one could’ve predicted his quick collapse to injury. Sale and Eovaldi signings are fine. They’re also not going to trade Mookie – a homegrown franchise player. The Sox will have to absorb a bunch of money to move Price who is pitching fairly well so might as well keep him. There’s enough talent on this team where they can compete next year.
Goose
Hanley and Sandoval I didn’t like from day 1. The only good news about Hanley is his contract is over. I agree on Pedroia but it is one of those unseen things.
If you can’t sign him, then the smart play is to deal Mookie. I suspect he is leaving no matter what. With 2020 still under contract his value is now when a contender may pay a high price in prospects. If you don’t find a deal you like, try again in the offseason and if that doesn’t work then ride him out.
The problem with the Red Sox you have Sale, Price, Rodriquez and Eovaldi all with arm injuries. It will pop up again. Your only proven healthy pitcher is Porcello and he is inconsistent and overpaid for what he is. At least he is coming off the books next year as well.
luckyh
You can’t deal Mookie, no way. I don’t think they should give up, just not add any more pieces. This team, as constructed, could and should make a run for it. That being said, I think it’s unlikely they do. 50/50 on the wild card.
h0wmyd0ing
Boston interest is just to drive up the price…. Sox won’t land either but will make someone spend more.
Randy Red Sox
You nailed it but DD WILL ADD SOME BBB reliever
jpeezy43
Red Sox don’t have the assets to acquire either. Others can give more up. For Yates I don’t think the padres should trade him because I think we all know the padres are only a year out of contention and he might be someone they look to keep around as a elite closer. Which are hard to come by.
Matt Galvin
Hudson,Dierkman,Watson,Dyson or so on? Will Smith will cost you to.
jdgoat
I can’t see them matching up on a trade. Unless they bundle a few top guys together. Hernández is the only on who really fits a need but he terrifies me. Way too many walks for the rotation and that could be even worse if he doesn’t cut them down in the bullpen.
ottoc 2
Well, is relief pitching the biggest problem?
Price has an ERA of 3.61 that jumps to 4.19 when unearned runs are added in.
Sale, 4.05 to 4.51
Rodriguez, 4.34 to 4.50
Porcello, 5.61 to 6.18
Overall, their starters’ ERA goes from 4.79 to 5.22. They are only averaging 5.201 innings per game, which means that they have been using an average of 3.54 relievers per game. The relievers ERA (4.53) jumps to 4.93 when unearned runs are included.
in 2018, the starters’ ERA was 3.77 (4.09) and the relievers’ ERA was 3.72 (3.85) and starters went about one-third of an inning deeper into games on average.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Fifth starter and relief pitching. Mookie and JD Martinez havent performed at their usual elite levels. Unearned runs are on the defense so you can’t factor that into SP performance. You want to look into Fangraphs’ xFIP stat.
luckyh
Don’t forget Benny. He and Mookie were the table setters. They have not gotten the job done this year. Mookie is getting better, Benny not so much.
luckyh
Exactly. The pen was actual decent early in the season, not great, but decent. The starters led to their early demise. Perhaps it would have happened anyway, but the starting pitching has been abysmal since day one.
max57
Ah, the Pomeranz deal, where DD made a scene about Pomeranz’s medical and the Padres got!…….a player who’s had two TJ surgeries since and hasn’t pitched since that year of 2016. DD can rot in no-farm-system hell.
hoosierhysteria
And Pomeranz turned out ok. Yates can go but Myers must go. Padres have 2 more outfielders coming back soon.
murphydog
The sox wouldn’t be having this conversation if they had kept Ty Buttrey.
Fleeced by Eppler.
Randy Red Sox
What exactly is Ty Buttery doing?
murphydog
Should’ve been in the allstar game. Probably closer next year.
luckyh
At this point their “interest” should only be to drive up the price for others. If you can’t beat the Orioles as constructed, what’s the point? Keep what few pieces are left in the system.
Rob66
Steve Pearce is the future WS MVP