As the Dodgers continue to try to pry closer Felipe Vazquez loose from the Pirates, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney reports (Twitter link) that the sides are at a bit of an impasse. It seems the Bucs would (quite understandably) like to receive soaring L.A. prospect Gavin Lux, a versatile infielder who has completely obliterated Triple-A pitching (.474/.553/.918 in 114 plate appearances with eight home runs and a 17:17 K/BB ratio) since a mid-season promotion. The clubs may well be engaged in a bit of a staring contest as the deadline draws near.
More news and rumors from the pitching market …
- The Rays may have faded in the AL East, but they’re not planning to go quietly. Olney tweets that the club is “doing work” on Mets reliever Edwin Diaz, making for an intriguing (if vague) connection. Beyond the obvious appeal of a high-charged young hurler who has shown a past ability to dominate like few others, there are a few other reasons to like this match. Diaz’s run of poor results will limit his arbitration earning power, boosting his appeal to the payroll-conscious Rays. And as Mike Petriello of MLB.com explains, there are plenty of reasons to believe that Diaz is every bit as good as ever before.
- Rival organizations “fully expect” the Diamondbacks to deal southpaw Robbie Ray, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter link). Arizona GM Mike Hazen continued to acknowledge his club’s tricky middle ground while avoiding a firm commitment to a particular course of action, as Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic reports. The top baseball ops man did acknowledge that there’s a possibility the team could pull off enough sell-side moves that it wouldn’t make sense to reload in the offseason. At the moment, the Brewers, Astros, and Yankees are among the teams with active talks or interest in Ray, per Jon Heyman of MLB Network (via Twitter).
- With a real shot at a much-anticipated return to the top of the heap in the NL Central, the Cardinals could yet swing a big deal. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports (subscription link) that the St. Louis ballclub is interested in a controllable starter. Beyond that, the Cards’ precise plans remain a bit difficult to ascertain. The club is interested in lefty relief pitching, though that’s a trade deadline staple for many contenders. We haven’t seen the team connected prominently to any high-end hurlers, but a bold move seems tempting.
- We’ve seen the Yankees connected to a wide variety of hurlers in recent weeks, with the club focused primarily on starters but also entertaining relief upgrades. They’ve recently chatted with the Tigers about old friend Shane Greene, according to MLB.com’s Jon Morosi (Twitter link). Most contenders are no doubt at least checking in on Greene, who’s among the likeliest players in baseball to be traded in the coming days.
- Similarly, the Phillies have cast an exceedingly broad net. Their relief situation remains problematic; now, there are indications that David Robertson’s rehab may drag into September, as Nightengale was among those to tweet. Another name to add to the list of Phils possibilities: Alex Colome of the White Sox. Morosi tweets that there’s “continued interest” on the part of the Philadelphia organization.
ChiSox_Fan
What you got for Colome, Philly?
ChiSox_Fan
Sox must be waiting until the last possible moment to maximize return of any trade or stand pat.
Thomas Bliss
Alec Bohm or Adam Haseley would be nice.
DVail1979
One can dream right?
Selkies
That would be nuts but I don’t think that’s likely. I’d like to add former number one pick, Mickey Moniak to the list of “dream scenarios” for the White Sox.
In all likelihood, we’re probably looking at a best case scenario of Nick Maton and an A-baller like Kyle Young but I’m still hopeful.
pplama
I’d love Luis Garcia or Francisco Morales. If Jay or LGar help, I’d throw that in as well.
ChiSox_Fan
Sox can reinstate the “all Garcia outfield” on Sundays when they rest the regulars.
maximumvelocity
They might snag Medina, only because he is having a bad year, and has a frame that screams reliever, much like Lopez. But that would be about as good as it gets, unless they add Garcia and possibly Jay, both of whom would fill out Phil roster given injuries.
pasha2k
Can’t wait for this deadline to be over.
Matt Galvin
Why because their isn’t Trades been made?
ChiSox_Fan
Too much hype; no substance.
bradthebluefish
Feels
ChiSox_Fan
These rumors are too coincidentally spaced out.
ChiSox_Fan
I hear you
bstanza22
Cards getting Thor, pull the trigger Mo.
MetsFanaticDanny
Syndergaard to the Cards for Nolan Gorman, Zack Thompson, Julio Rodriguez & Malcom Nunez. Fair deal.
MetsFanaticDanny
For those wondering, these players rank as the Cardinals #1, #5, #13 & #18 prospects respectively.
pplama
Thompson can’t be traded.
bluejays92
He could just be put down as a PTBNL.
Binnington50
The often injured Noah is not worth that much of a haul. Not even close.
pplama
Can’t put a person drafted this year as a PTBNL anymore.
24TheKid
Thompson can not be a PTBNL.
aberdeen101
For a guy that is more likely to be injured than not? Steep price and he isn’t a stud pitcher.
Thomas Bliss
Why not? Dansby Swanson was traded the year he was drafted. They could make a trade with a PTBNL tab and after the season Thompson fills that void.
pplama
Dansby Swanson was drafted in June and traded after the season (Dec. 9) Not as a PTBNL that year. The last example of a team doing this was Trea Turner. The rule was changed May 1, 2015. mlbtraderumors.com/2015/05/all-drafted-players-now…
MetsFanaticDanny
@niclynn18 Are you kidding??? Syndergaard is technically worth more than this. If the Cardinals could get Thor for just one Top 100 prospect that’s a no brainer. Another fan base over hyping prospects. Julio Rodriguez & Malcom Nunez are at least 3 or 4 seasons away from being major league ready, yet you rather the Cardinals, that are set up to contend now, hold onto these prospects that are no sure things then getting a bonafide #1 or #2 SP with World Series experience and has 2 years of control left??? Yeah, that’s exactly what winning organizations do. You sound like a really “smart” fan.
pplama
As “smart” as someone who doesn’t know that Thompson can’t be traded?
Payne Train
Gorman just graduated high school like 14 months ago and he’s already top 30 .
I’d say within two years he will be a top five prospect .
Thompson can’t be traded lol, and even if he could that’s another first rounder from this year … and lastly – I’m glad someone says that we are in contention lol …… but we’re actually pretty lucky to have a soft schedule for the last few weeks so I’ll keep my prospects and be realistic
MetsFanaticDanny
Yea he can. Jesus Christ, it’s called PTBNL and then once they reach a certain date in 2020, the prospect can officially be traded. It’s happened multiple times in the last few years including when the Rays traded Archer to the Pirates. The original trade was Archer for Glasnow, Meadows & a PTBNL. Tha tag player turned out to be Shane Baz who was drafted that same year but couldn’t be officially traded until early the following season. Look it up bro. You look so dump right now.
pplama
Read the link I provided, Genius.
Here’s 2 of them for ya.-
mlb.com/news/mlb-mlbpa-agree-to-player-to-be-named…
mlbtraderumors.com/2015/05/all-drafted-players-now…
HA!- Baz was drafted in ’17. Traded July of ’18.
PS- Nice obvious rec account.
MetsFanaticDanny
mlbtraderumors.com/2015/05/all-drafted-players-now…
MIC DROP!!!
24TheKid
Come on man, you’re just making yourself look more dumb by the comment. Shane Baz was drafted in 2017, not 2018. Drafted players most definitely cannot be traded until the offseason and cannot be listed as a PTBNL.
asdfgh
You sound like a really smart fan Danny, riding that 7 train to yet again support another losing season the Wilson family brings you. Mets and Marlins fans take a seat you babe no room to talk. Also yeah if Thor is so great how come no one is wowing them, Padres, dodgers, cardinals, Yankees. Oh your agent turned GM project sounds like they have a Wilson in middle school calling the shots,
pplama
Wow. You just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper.
Read the 3rd paragraph of your own link, Or my link, or the other link I provided.
Then be sure to like another one of your own posts, with your rec accnt.
MetsFanaticDanny
Idiots, read the link. It CLEARLY states that a player from the same year’s draft can be added as a PTBNL and the first day after the world series are cleared to be traded. I’m done with this conversation because I’m 1000% right and the one’s that refuse to believe it or better yet, refuse to read the article because maybe you’re just illiterate, are too stubborn to admit they were wrong. Have goodnight guys. I’m moving on. Just for future reference, make sure that you thoroughly know something before attacking people about it.
pplama
It does not say that.
Why is reading so hard for you?
“In other words, Draftees cannot be included as PTBNL’s between their draft and the World Series”
3rd paragraph, like I said, and linked, 3 times.
Boogaloo
Lol, Mets fans are the dumbest. Give Jeffy some more cash
24TheKid
This is the same guy who thought the Cano/Díaz deal was robbery…in the Mets favor.
Butchie64
I agree, Noah is overrated . . . . . . . talking heads of the media drive up his value and Joe Public continues to eat it up.
jimmyz
Baz was drafted the year prior to the Archer trade. Swaggerty was the Bucs #1 pick the month before the Archer trade.
jimmyz
Rules change, your link is old.
Payne Train
Yeah that will never happen. MO won’t trade Gorman, Kinz or Carlson, he likes his job too much.
Oh and Thor isn’t worth that Haul
mike-5
Especially since Kizner is next in line to Yadi and Gorman is looking more and more like a franchise 3rd baseman.
mattm-13
Norman wont be dealt
mattm-13
Thor for Montero, Herrera, Torres
asdfgh
And in fact carpenter may be moved as well to an AL team.
Payne Train
I hope so. I thought Carp would be a good addition for Rays … Cards would obviously have to eat around half the contract or more to get something out of it.
mlb1225
If the Pirates do trade Felipe to the Dodgers, I would really like to see them get Will Smith rather than Lux
Thomas Bliss
I would take Gavin Lux, Will Smith or Dustin May.
fox471 Dave
You won’t get Lux and Smith. Ruiz and May would be reasonable.
ray714
They won’t get Lux , Smith or May . Ruiz + is possible but the other 3 untouchable
genre99
I agree. They will keep Lux, May and Smith, but Ruiz plus 2-3 other pieces they will do.
balboa10
Than no trade. Lux and May and Beaty
jbigz12
Not going to happen. They’d probably move May. You definitely wouldn’t get both May and Lux. May, Downs and Mitchell white for Vazquez is more likely.
Perhaps with Will Smith’s emergence they’d rather center the deal around Ruiz as well.
aberdeen101
We need May and Smith/Ruiz more than Lux. I have a feeling our pitiful GM is going to try to recoup prospects from that lousy Archer deal he made and deal Vazquez. Better get two of the guys mentioned, one starter and one catcher plus something else, like another potential starter. We have Newman and Tucker and Frazier for middle infield. As nice as Lux sounds, he isn’t needed as much.
mlb1225
Yea, that’s my main thing about Lux. I mean he’s a fine prospect, but the Pirates already have so many middle infielders with control, including Oneil Cruz, but they really lack young depth in catcher.
jimmyz
My hope is that Huntington’s initial ask is for Lux+ knowing that’s not going to happen but softening the Dodgers’ stance or Ruiz, upper level quality pitcher and a couple other pieces.
Cam
The Dodgers literally just promoted Smith to be their #1 C on the main roster. If Pittsburgh asked, they’d be hung up on.
aberdeen101
They you shouldn’t get Vazquez. You have a price to pay and it will be steep – not just Lux.
amk3510
Thats cute and all but Friedman is too smart to trade 2 of their top prospects for a relief pitcher. No releif pitcher is worth Lux striaght up let alone more on top of him. And no Theo trading Torres for Chapman is not a reason why the Dodgers will do it
Robertowannabe
Remember what the Yanks got from Chicago for Chapman as a rental player. Vasquez is under control for 4 1/2 years yet. It will take a massive haul,to pry Vasquez loose.
Cam
You could put together a realistic proposal – it doesn’t end at Smith not being available. Heck, most view Smith as the #2 catcher in the system – Ruiz has consistently been ranked as a better prospect.
The Dodgers have 3 prospects in the top 15 in Baseball, by most evaluators. And none of those 3 are Smith.
ChiSox_Fan
Yes but the Cubs give away their prospects.
Look what we got for Quintana!!
jbigz12
Will Smith is their starting catcher. Teams do not trade their starting catchers when trying to win a WS in the same year. Prior prospect valuations aren’t really relevant for that. Smith’s boosted his stock back up and has been considered a top 100 by multiple different outlets in seasons past.
Keibert Ruiz is 100% more in play than Will Smith at this point. Given Smith’s emergence I would imagine out of the Lux, May, Ruiz trio he’s probably the one they’d prefer to move. Which, given your argument about prospect valuations should be a good thing for their trade chances.
joshize
somehow include Edwin Rios, too. I like Lux for 2B. I know there’s a lot of talk about Newman and Tucker, but neither have the power potential that Lux does. I get the catcher aspect, though. I’d like to see Rios. we need power coming up.
RIPprosports
Ruiz package
MetsFanaticDanny
I like the idea of trading Edwin Diaz to the Ray’s for Vidal Brujan & Shane McClanahan. Seems like a fair return for a 25 y/o closer with 3 years of control left.
Selkies
Do you guys really *need* Vidal Brujan though? He looks like he’s going to be a great lead-off guy and you guys seem pretty set in that regard with Jeff McNeill.
MetsFanaticDanny
Honestly, it’s because of McNeil is why I think Brujan would be a perfect fit. A dynamic leadoff hitter with a .330 hitter hitting right behind him. McNeil is the perfect #2 hitter. I could imagine the amount of times the Mets would hit & run with McNeil at #2.
andrewgauldin
Doesn’t matter if they *need* it. It depends on getting enough fair value in the trade. Plus, McNeill can play anywhere.
jbigz12
When you trade for big league ready prospects it does matter if you *need* it. You can’t build a team of infielders like BVW did this offseason. The Mets have more guys who belong in the infield playing Outfield corners than any team in baseball.
i don’t think Brujan is SS capable. I don’t know what the hell you do with another 2B in queens. They can always flip Brujan or attempt to make it a 3 team deal to get something they can use. McNeil really needs to be at 2B but you already have the Cano impediment. There’s really no place to stick Brujan.
steelerbravenation
McNeil could play 3rd well. He actually plays well in the field at multiple positions especially considering he is learning to play the OF at the major leagues.
Trade Frazier & move McNeil and leave him there. He power doesn’t project for a corner spot but what could they do with Cano’s contract. Once the NL gets the DH things would get better for the Mets.
aussiegiants53
I want the dodgers to suck as much as the next Giants fan, but from a baseball standpoint, they need to go for it, if they are going to deal Lux for Vazquez don’t give up much more if it all, Dodgers will have him for the next 4 years and that there could be more valuable then Lux.
RIPprosports
Big question, is Jansen willing to be a team player and go to a set up role???
aussiegiants53
Don’t give him the choice. He’s been an integral part of the Dodgers success but if there’s someone better to do the job then so be it, he’s going to get paid, he’s got a contract regardless if he gets to throw the 7th 8th or 9th
DVail1979
He would pretty much have to be a team player no? Vazquez has been much better than him so far and for what they’re paying Jansen he should pitch whatever inning(s) hes asked
jbigz12
He’s going to have to be. This year’s Kenley Jansen has improved peripherals from last year though. He’s certainly not the dominant relief force he once was but he’s been alright. He’s best suited to be a solid set up man. Going to be a very expensive one but that’s a sunk cost.
genre99
I remember him being okay with the prospect of adding Kimbrel, so I would think so. He knows he’s regressed this year.
BlueSkyLA
Jansen hasn’t regressed, he’s in decline. Big difference. Some regression would be an improvement at this point.
Anyway, I don’t get all the discussion centered around Jansen’s feelings, as if management lets anyone on this team think of themselves as being special. If anything this FO takes that issue to its opposite extreme.
aberdeen101
The Dodgers need to give up more than Lux for Vazquez – quite a bit more. If they don’t get two top prospects for starters from the LADs, I don’t trade him at all.
Cam
Two top prospects from the Dodgers means to Top 10 prospects in the game – they have 3 in the Top 12-15 depending on the source.
Not all farm systems are equal.
RIPprosports
Rather see a package with Ruiz
jimmyz
Ruiz, Gonsolin, Stripling and a lottery ticket sounds about right
libeast27
Trading Diaz would be stupid. 4 more years of control after this season. 4 years that are arguably going to be the Mets best chance at contention. Hope they don’t sell him.
snotrocket
The Mets aren’t contending for anything until they get new ownership and a competent GM.
Boogaloo
Lol, you think the Mets are a good season from Dian away from contending?
allweatherfan
The Cards should go big and call the Mets.
bravesfan2707
Who would you want from the Mets? Diaz?
Payne Train
Why go big with the Mets – we lose half our team after this next year to FA and old age … kinda need to keep some of these young guys that are doing well
BennyTheBoss
Pirates need a catcher. They can have Russell Martin for Felipe Vazquez. That’s a fair trade for both sides.
andrew.jones100@icloud.com
I’m offended you’re banned
RiverCatsFilms
Idk I’m thinking Vazquez for Jansen, Kershaw, Buehler, Lux, Seager, Muncy, and Bellinger(all 100% retained) is fair
DVail1979
Pirates may need to add Josh Bell to this …
Cave
What about Barnes and maybe Gonsolin? If Barnes turns good..
greatone14
You just get in from stupid town?
steelerbravenation
I feel Ray’s best fit is with the Yankees but something tells me Astros get him
Interesting to see who blinks first with the Dodgers/Pirates
Would love for the Braves to get in on Diaz but something tells me Brodie is not interesting in trading in the division
Think the Dodgers will wind up with Diaz.
Ruiz, Pederson & May for Diaz & Wheeler
aberdeen101
I have zero confidence in NH from a Pittsburgh standpoint.
Cave
Not gonna happen if Dave Roberts still wants to try Pederson at 1B. Also, May is too high of a prospect for Friedman to trade him
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I hope Neal is just asking for Lux in order to soften the Dodgers up for his real ask. The only way a Vazquez deal makes sense for the Pirates is if it can fill multiple key holes. If Lux is in the deal, they won’t get enough other pieces at positions they need to fill more than 2B.
If a deal for Vazquez is going to happen in the next 2 days, it’s because LA offered Ruiz and May as the centerpieces.
The Pirates need catching and pitching. Far more than anything else.
Taillon’s injury and Diaz’s regression have created big enough holes to justify trading Vazquez IF and only if they get the right elite pieces back. If not, then it’s a huge mistake that they should not make. They have 4 more years to get the right deal.
pplama
A reliever isn’t netting 2 top 40, 55FV prospects. No matter how good, or how much team control. The Dodgers aren’t anywhere near that stupid.
pantherfan73
He’s a closer. Your 9th inning guy that says the games over and we just won the world series.
pplama
A closer is a reliever. It’s an insane ask.
Robertowannabe
What did Chapman get from the Cubs as a rental? Vasquez is almost as good and he has 4+ years of control at low cost…. he will cost a bundle
ChiSox_Fan
See above
66TheNumberOfTheBest
If they value pieces they don’t really need over a piece that might finally get them to a title because of their trade chart, so be it. Their history shows that is likely.
As I said, anything short of the package I describe makes no sense (zero) for the Pirates. Anything less than that and it doesn’t make them a better team than they would be by just keeping Vazquez and filling those holes elsewhere.
pplama
Then I guess we’ll be seeing how well he ages on a perennial 75ish win team.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Trading elite players for scraps is how you turn a 75 win team into a 55 win team.
pplama
There’s a chasm between your ask and “scraps”.
ews34
What about a package of Ruiz, May, Peterson and spare relief pitcher off their current roster? I like Peters in RF taking over for Polanco down the road.
ews34
Why did this show up 3 times????
66TheNumberOfTheBest
OK, but why jump off the cliff into the chasm?
To make the Dodgers happy?
The package has to be huge for the Pirates to be a better team by trading Vazquez than by keeping him.
pplama
When is the Pirates next competitive window if they trade Vazquez but keep everyone else and everything breaks right health wise?
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Much, much further away if they don’t get enough for him.
3Rivers
Look what Chapman yielded when he was only a rental at the time. With Vasquez controllable years, If he doesn’t return a haul then you don’t get him, simple as that. Pirates don’t have to trade him, and they shouldn’t unless again, they get back haul.
Black_Pearl
I agree with you but I really like the idea having an ELITE middle infielder. The Pirates have never had one and the best teams in baseball have studs at short or 2nd or both.
Is Ruiz going to hit enough? Smith seems better across the board but he’ll likely be unavailable now that he’s in LA for the year.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I want Ruiz more anyway but I don’t think the Dodgers would trade Smith, since he can help them now. Also, FG has Ruiz as a 60 FV while Smith is a 50 FV. Worth the wait.
Adding an elite middle infielder while still having holes at C and SP doesn’t help much. Even more so when you have useful players there already.
Ruiz and May are the gotta have players from LA for this deal to make sense.
jbigz12
You act like May is the only arm they have down there. The Dodgers aren’t going to give up both May and Ruiz in a package. They still have Josiah Gray and Tony Gonsolin who have high ceilings. Ruiz + other pitching prospects not named May is a distinct possibility. Huntington can get a much better package than what he dealt G Cole for that way. Vazquez is a reliever. They can go trade for Ken Giles or even Kirby Yates without giving up 15 top prospects here. He’s not the only guy on the market.
RIPprosports
Ruiz package but not May in it
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Doesn’t get over the line.
Boogaloo
I hope the Pirates GM is not as bull headed as you.
Hes a reliever for christ sake.
If you are getting 2 good young players as most dodger fans seem willing to part with you better jump on it.
A starting catcher and another position player is more than enough.
Or just hold onto him so he can get hurt or pull an edwin diaz.
Im actually shocked dodger fans are willing to give up what they are.
3Rivers
Wrong. They don’t have to jump on 2 young players. They don’t have to trade him unless they get what they want. If they don’t get back enough, then the dodgers don’t get him, simple as that. If Chapman got the return he got, as a rental, then controllable Vasquez can fetch more than just ‘2 good young players’ as you say it. Again, they don’t HAVE to trade him, ONLY if they get an overpay.
jbigz12
You can’t just pull a 1 off deal for Chapman that suddenly that makes the market for relief pitchers. Theo Epstein made that trade. He was also one of the loosest GM’s at giving up prospects.
Brad Hand is comparable to Vazquez. He fetched one top prospect in Francisco Mejia. Pretty comparable to Keibert Ruiz. I think you’ll get a bit more than that though. If you could get Ruiz and Josiah Gray that’d be a real nice get. A 60 FV and a 50 FV for a RP is win. Anything on top of that would be gravy for Pittsburgh. LA has a number of intriguing arms who have seen their stocks slide a bit this year that Pittsburgh could also ask for. I’d like to get my hands on numerous guys from that system.
FakeExpert
“Brad Hand is comparable to Vasquez” thats a new one.
cornnut
All I know is if the Dodgers don’t make a move there will be no World Series victory in 2019
Cave
Not necessarily, I feel that if they can get their young pitchers some experience they could win some playoff games
BlueSkyLA
Some, just not enough. We know all about some already, thank you.
steelerbravenation
Hey Pirate fans what would it take to get Vázquez & Marte for Atlanta ????
Pache, Waters & Wright off limits
Top pitching prospect Anderson is available
As is Riley our rookie 3B/LF
We also have a catcher prospect in Contreras
66TheNumberOfTheBest
For Vazquez and Marte? The Gwinnett Stripers should do it.
ForestCobraAL
Pache and Anderson or Waters and Anderson.
jimmyz
You can’t make a trade for Vazquez and Marte while still keeping all three of Pache, Waters and Wright. Sorry
steelerbravenation
If you want Wright by all means
Then Anderson is not going anywhere
It’s on or the other between them
Waters & Pache untouchable
Al Kohollick
The White Sox will not trade their Closer Colome. They have been patiently waiting and building with a goal of being competitive in the year 2020. They can’t do that if they don’t have a Closer for 2020. It would be self-defeating.
pplama
Keeping Colome as the Closer in 2020 would be self-defeating.
Also, Sox aren’t competing in 2020, with or without him.
CluHaywood
Sox keeping Colomé isnt self defeating at all. He has been one of the best closers in the game this season, and if a team doesn’t want to pay for it, they keep him next year. Sox should make a competitive leap next year as well, but could use a Garrett Cole to help bolster this rotation. Keeping Colomé helps them compete next year, as bullpen is one of the biggest questions in 2020 for tbe Sox
ChiSox_Fan
They have Bummer for cheaper.
amk3510
They will have to keep looking because Lux is only going to be in Pittsburgh when the Dodgers play the Pirates
RIPprosports
Agreed Lux isn’t going anywhere
fox471 Dave
Yep and yep.
3Rivers
If there pirates want him in a return, then guess what, dodgers simply don’t get their man.
amk3510
And im sure the Dodgers just hate having to keep Gavin Lux. Really stinks
Ronk325
If giving up Lux means the Dodgers get the dominant RP they need they would be fools to not do it. Lux looks like he’s going to be a stud but they have a loaded lineup and good enough options at 2B already. They would be getting 3.5 years of Vazquez and would likely become the odds on favorite to win the WS. If they lose in the WS again this year while holding onto their top prospects again it’s going to be a tough sell to their fans
fox471 Dave
Dodgers are not going to trade Lux for a relief pitcher. Period.
Ronk325
With their current bullpen the Dodgers aren’t winning the WS. Period.
Boogaloo
So who is winning the world series then?
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Whoever plays the Dodgers in the World Series?
That’s been the correct answer for a few years running now.
Ronk325
The Astros and the Yankees would both beat the Dodgers in the WS
RIPprosports
You are one bitter Pirates fan @joshbelltolls
66TheNumberOfTheBest
No. I’m a happy Penguins fan. I’ve seen them win 5 championships in the past 30 years.
But, what would make you say that?
Because I don’t think they should give away their good players just because the big market teams want them and feel entitled to them?
3Rivers
And you are one stubborn Dodgers fan @firedaveroberts
bradthebluefish
Don’t do it Dodgers. Lux is a 2B/SS that can hit. Highly valuable.
kurt warnstedt
White Sox should be all in on Greinke!
ChiSox_Fan
Yes, he is older but could be a great influence on the young guns.
Matt Galvin
mlb.com/news/red-sox-eye-pitching-at-trade-deadlin… At bottom is says GM says Thor and Bauer will be gone by Wednesday and Astros and Yankees.
playicy
Felipe Vazquez would make sense for depleted dodgers bullpen, because the only bright spot has been Kenley Jansen, but will Vazquez take a set up role over being the dodgers pitcher, but if you are winning it doesn’t matter where u pitch
mlbdodgerfan2015
They need to upgrade their pen. It doesn’t have to be a closer. I’d rather get two better bullpen arms and give up less than going for an elite closer at an irrational price..
MiserableBucsFan
Do not deal Vazquez if you’re not getting Lux in return. Huntington needs to be smart here. You don’t HAVE to deal him this year if you aren’t getting what you want. I’d want Lux, Verdugo and a PTBNL pitching prospect if I were in his shoes. Vazquez is too valuable in a season where relievers and closers have been blowing games more than ever before.
RIPprosports
Dude you’re crazy Lux Verdugo and more. I agree, Pirates don’t and will not trade him if that’s what they expect ever.
MiserableBucsFan
Anything short of that is robbery. This is the one of the top closers in the league. Especially when you get control of him for that long with that contract.
RIPprosports
He would be a Pirate for life if you were in charge. Promise you when he does get dealt, you’re going to be very very very disappointed!
MiserableBucsFan
We gave up our best hitting prospect, a young pitcher, and another one of our best pitching prospects, for basically the Trevor Bauer of last year’s deadline (although you can argue Bauer is a lot better). For a closer as reliable as him, and being able to get a top prospect, young outfielder that doesn’t play everyday, and a farm player would make sense. And this pitcher is lights out, unlike Archer.
Boogaloo
He’s as good this year as edwin diaz was last year.
No one’s giving up star prospects for a reliever, they are to up and down
MiserableBucsFan
When you’re 1-2 pieces away from World Series Championship(s) I’d assume you’d go all in for the best possible players in the market. That’s Vazquez for closers. The Mariners got the Mets’ 1st round pick of that year (Kelenic) for Diaz and Cano. Why can’t the Pirates get players with that upside?
Cam
Yeah, and that Archer-for-talent trade is one of the worst trades in recent memory. What’s your point?
Just because the Pirates blew it then, doesn’t mean others should do the same now.
All you did was give an example that destroys your own argument.
RIPprosports
Guess I really don’t have to respond back. These guys are doing a good job of that. There’s some salty Pirate fans on here tonight! lol
MiserableBucsFan
Actually 0 correlation as to how any of that is considered salty, it’s logical. Vazquez has a lot more value than Archer. Teams will go for pieces that help them win. Teams should have to give up good pieces in order to get other good players. What’s salty about that?
The best comparison that’s been brought up to Vazquez is Diaz? Really?
Talk about a friendly contract for one of the top players in his position.
No correlation as well as to how that destroys my argument considering Vazquez is an actually valuable asset compared to Archer who was mid-tier.
pplama
The Pirates giving up the world for declining Archer is not a reason any other team would do something that stupid. Especially the Dodgers.
Like the Shelby Miller trade, dumb deals don’t set the market, they get ridiculed.
BlueSkyLA
Poop central. If you use Kimbrel as a comp, and he’s the best one to use, then Vasquez has an excess contract value of around $30M. Verdugo alone, at the level he’s performing and under team control for five more years, is easily worth that much and arguably a lot more, all by himself. Fans of trading teams always want to clean out the other team’s cupboard but that sure doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.
Anyhow, I hope the Dodgers have a plan B. This Vasquez thing looks very doubtful.
3Rivers
Exactly, if they don’t get what they want, then it’s pretty simple, dodgers don’t get Vasquez.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Comical. Closer position is the most overrated position. I’m sure even Friedman has some regret in opening up the wallet for Jansen. At this point they just need a couple of good bullpen arms to upgrade their current pen. It doesn’t have to be an elite closer. I doubt this trade gets done. Pirates asking for too much. At best the Dodgers will offer Ruiz and maybe another decent but not elite prospect or two. Not getting Lux, May, Smith, or Verdugo.
Matt Galvin
Jeff Passion just said on the Chevy Clubhouse that it’s about to burst the Trades because GM’s have done all their information. Bullpeners and Middle Infielders most likely to.
RiseAgainst3598
It would be quite interesting if the Yankees had Greene, Ray and Gregorius – the three key pieces of a three way trade in 2015
IjustloveBaseball
Ray wouldn’t be a bad get. No matter what, the Brewers need a starter controllable through at least next season since the Wild Card is looking like a real possibility at this point, and we all know anything can happen in a one-game playoff.
Or….
The Brewers could go all in–get Ray, Minor, maybe a reliever like Giles–and try to overtake/run-away with the division. I know their farm system isn’t as deep as previous seasons (trades/promotions), but there’s still some talent down there.
frankiegxiii
These Pirates/Dodgers trade scenarios in this comment section are hilarious…
3Rivers
Not really, he’s controlled for another 4 years and the Dodgers really want him. The pirates can ask for whatever they want, and if they don’t get it, he stays a pirate, and theyll have to look else where to help that weak bullpen.
BlueSkyLA
And the Pirates will have to look elsewhere to improve their farm system. You see how that works?
Melchez
Sounds like the Rays… interested in a top player who is having a down year so they can keep arbitration numbers down.
Why not be interested in a talented player that is doing well and can help your team down the stretch? They are always looking at ways to save a buck.
At least they are looking for a pitcher. They have needed a starter since opening day. This opener bs needs to stop. That has killed their bullpen the past two year. It’s okay as a short term solution to injury or giving the starters a breather… but as a way to run your rotation? That’s not too bright.
jbigz12
Their length guy goes about as long as a quite a few teams 5th starters. The Rays don’t buy overperforming guys like Colome and Greene. They go get guys like Diaz who are underperforming their peripherals. They don’t overpay for crap. The opener is still working just fine for them also. Adapt or fall behind. Diaz would be the exact guy I’d want in TB.
Melchez
And the Ray’s fade at the end because they invest in under performers that they hope can get hot. An opener is fine on occasions, but as a regular part of your rotation for the entire season, no. It’s a novelty that worked for a short time. Games that use an opener use between 6 and 7 pitchers in a game. A regular game uses between 3 and 4 per game. That really taxes your bullpen over the course of a year.
pplama
None of this is true. You’re confusing an opener with a bullpen day.
Melchez
Look at Stanek’s starts. Many times there are 6 pitchers used for these games. Mostly 5, an occasional 7. And sometimes they do this 3 times a week.
He’s started games 5, 9, 14, 18, 20, 24, 28, 29, 35, 38, 41, 42, 46, 50, 52, 55, 60, 63, 66, 71, 73, 78, 81, 85, 87, 95, 97
He pitches 1 or 2 innings. The next pitcher usually throws 3 innings. The rest is filled in by the bullpen. This means the bullpen is used heavily a couple times a week. They usually only throw an inning or less, but still they are used.
They are 17 and 10 when they do this… so it is effective. But it really depletes the pen.
Stanek has started 27 games so far. He has also entered games as a reliever 14 times. He has appeared in 41 of the teams 108 games. 55.2 innings.
They should have a regular starter for these games. It would save your pen. Stanek could still be used as a bullpen arm. That would save you 2 pitchers every 2 or 3 games.
swartnp7
Ruiz, May, Downs or Peters, one of Gray/White/Gos + lotto ticket (Kendall?). Dodgers get Vazquez and Kela with Pirates paying all of Kela’s contract.
BlueSkyLA
The Dodgers want no part of Kela. They had a shot at him last year and passed, probably because of his personality issues. Now that this has become an even bigger issue we have to know they wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot barge pole.
jbigz12
Do you know just how ridiculous that ask is? No reliever in the sport has ever returned two top 25 prospects and another 50 FV Prospect. You’re asking for that + Jeter Downs or DJ Peters and hey why not toss in Jeren Kendall while you’re at it.
This trade deadline is going to blow your mind with returns if you think that’s anywhere near a realistic package.
They’ll go get Ken Giles for Tony Gonsolin or Josiah Gray and a lotto ticket long before that ever occurs.
pplama
Why do they think a reliever is going to blow away the Chris Sale get? The proposales are completely illogical.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Moncada was the top prospect in all of baseball. Kopech was #12.
pplama
Please cite the pre-1017 top 100 lists (they were traded after the 2016 season) that had Moncada #1 and Kopech #12..
Then understand FG’s #8 and #12 prospects for any Closer is crazytownbananapants.
balboa10
Would take tucker and Felipe for mays and lux
JMac0480
Imo a simple trade of Clint Frazier and a low level prospect for Greene. Tigers get a bat they so desperately need and the Yankees don’t have to trade a player on their active mlb roster
dmac
Yankees call the mets… andujar, florial, garcia and ptbnl for thor and diaz
fitsiqis65
and the Yankee I mean cashman’s infatuation/quest with ever so slightly above MLB average pitching continues.
You get what you pay for (happless, CC, lance Lynn, Jaime Garcia etc…)
Bargains are hard to find.
swartnp7
I can see the narratives already.
NH holds out for Lux, doesn’t get him “He was being greedy. Coulda got all these other guys.”
NH takes anything other than Lux. “He got fleeced again! Shoulda held out for Lux.”
NH keeps Vazquez. “He shoulda sold high. This why the Pirates suck. They don’t wanna win. He is a terrible GM.”
NH trades Vazquez. “They always sell off their best players. They are cheap and don’t wanna win. Nuttings wallet.”
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Two weeks ago, Huntingdon apologized for making the Melancon for Vazquez trade because of the convoluted narrative that the media feeds the “fans”.
The people who love to accuse them of kicking the can down the road and not wanting to win are the loudest voices calling for a tear down….so they can say they don’t want to win and just kicked the can again.
The people who love to scream about “Nutting’s Wallet!!!!” are calling for a tear down which would allow him to roll out $40 million payrolls for a few years.
Little of it makes sense.
thepghkid
You got that right swartnp7, damned if ya do, damned if ya don’t
Robertowannabe
In this case, It will be better to be damned if you don’t if what is being offered is not top tier. No rush to move him right at this moment. I also agree with @forwhomjoshbelltolls in the fact that the local Pittsburgh media loves to bash the Pirates because it gets all of the yinzers wound up and the flood the phone lines to complain and they feed off all of the convoluted narratives that the hosts continually trot out. The complaints all seem to be the same in just about every other fan base on these boards. Teams are cheap. They don’t want to win. They are throwing away opportunities and why are they picking up cast offs from other teams.. Seeing many of the good deals that NH has made, I trust that if he does move Vasquez, it will be for quality and not just a bunch of spare parts that don’t fit with the current club. Everyone keeps whining about the Archer deal when not a soul expected Glasnow to break out like he did. He was considered by many to be a bust and would never be more than a AAAA pitcher. He did break out but also suffered an injury. Like Taillon, suffered a setback in rehabbing. Meadows never hit for any power his entire minor league career. He had a career April and May. Since June 1st he is hitting .233 with 3 home runs. Back to what he was all through the minors. He was expendable because of Reynolds. When the deal was made, the big take on Baz was that he had the stuff but had no control over any of it. All this means is that the Archer deal is still up in the air as to who, if anyone won big. Neither side looks good at the moment. Other deals that NH turned out very well. Time will tell on Vasquez and or Marte. deals if they happen.
Black_Pearl
Agreed. Well said by all.
RIPprosports
@gozurman Pirates better hang on to him. What some of the fans are expecting in return, it’s safe if the GM makes him a Pirate for life.
What do you think is a fair trade between the Pirates and Dodgers?
balboa10
Glasnow has great stuff could not throw strikes. Meadows was still considered a stud and baz still was a potential number one starter when he made that trade. It was a bad trade on paper from the get go not to mention archer had two pitches and his slider was starting to get hit in Tampa. The way the pirates operate to begin with made no sense to do that trade if they were not going to get anyone in free agency.
uncle mike
Sorry Buster Olney!!! You know very well that John Mozeliak of the Cardinals CAN NOT make any impact trades!!! Plus loses all impact players he does acquire to free agency. After impact player do leave, their comments are not favorable concerning the Cardinals Front Office!!!!!
Louiebeans
Yankees interested in other teams junk it should say.
As a Yankee fan I’m waiting to hear the excuses –
1. Prices are just to high
2. We are standing still we like our position. We have a feeling CC and Happ are going to turn it around.
3. There was nobody worth while on the trading block.
4. We grabbed Sonny Gray 2.0 and gonna turn him into a #1.
5. Smoke screen after smoke screen.
fitsiqis65
all true plus
6- getting seve and betances back is like acquiring a hof ace and the second coming of Mo…..
dmere66
Why do the pirates need another infielder? Trade Vasquez for catching and pitching
Backatitagain
The Braves could help some. Yankees get Shane Greene from Detroit and Starting Pitchers Mike Foltynewicz and Kevin Gausman plus reliever Dan Winkler from the Braves. Detroit gets teo MLB top 100 pitchers Kyle Wright and Bryse Wilson plus Drew Lugbauer (UM Star Catcher) from the Braves. Braves get Mathew Boyd from the Tigers plus Outfielders Clint Frazier and Estevan Florial from the Yankees.
To restate: Detroit gives up Boyd and Greene and gets Wright, Wilson and Lugbauer.
New York gives up Frazier and Florial and gets Greene, Foltynewicz, Gausman, Winkler.
Atlanta gets Boyd, Frazier and Florial and gives up Foltynewicz, Gausman, Wright, Wilson, Winkler and Lugbauer.
Braves can flip Florial and Frazier plus others in a deal for Sterling Marte and Vazquez.