10:35pm: It isn’t definite the Mets will trade Syndergaard, per reports from Anthony DiComo of MLB.com and Anthony Rieber of Newsday, though Rieber adds the club’s “working hard” to move him. The Astros are “pessimistic” about their chances of acquiring Syndergaard, DiComo writes. Meanwhile, it “doesn’t sound like” the Mets and Twins have made headway toward a deal, Martino tweets.
3:58pm: Mets righty Noah Syndergaard has emerged as the perhaps the most talked-about name on the trade market, and his name once again figures to dominate headlines — much as it did in the offseason. Meanwhile, scouts will be watching closely as fellow starter Zack Wheeler takes the hill tonight for his lone pre-deadline showcase start. Here’s the latest on both hurlers …
Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that the Mets are seeking an MLB-ready starter who can step right into the rotation in place of Syndergaard, then some additional high-end prospects after that. The pitcher in question needn’t technically be the headliner in the deal, but presumably the Mets are eyeing a controllable (pre-arbitration) starter as well as premier minor leaguers beyond that point.
That aligns with recent reports from SNY’s Andy Martino (Twitter links), who suggests that the Mets view the Padres, Braves, Dodgers, Rays and Yankees as the best on-paper fits in a deal. The Padres and Braves, in particular, are rich with MLB-ready pitchers in the upper minors, and Sherman lists that pair of organizations as the two that the Mets feel are best-positioned to work out a deal.
Notably, Sherman calls the Astros the “most aggressive” pursuer of Syndergaard, but Houston has seen its top pitching prospects take a step back in 2019. Forrest Whitley (shoulder fatigue) has barely pitched in 2019. Corbin Martin underwent Tommy John surgery. Martino suggests that neither the Astros nor Twins are viewed as prime trade partners — likely because other interested parties have better MLB-ready arms to offer. It was reported this morning that the Twins and Mets have discussed Syndergaard, with the Mets showing particular interest in shortstop Royce Lewis and outfielder Alex Kirilloff.
Looking at the teams the Mets apparently believe to be fits, it’s a bit of an eyebrow-raiser to see the Yankees and Braves listed. The Yankees and Mets haven’t lined up on a trade in more than a decade, and the frequent reports out of New York portraying the contempt that Mets owner Fred Wilpon has toward the Yankees make a deal of this nature seem decidedly unlikely. Meanwhile, trading Syndergaard to a division rival would be difficult for Mets fans to stomach, particularly given that he’s controlled through the 2021 season.
Whether the Houston organization can put together a compelling package for Syndergaard, they’ll have other things to talk about with the Mets front office. The ’Stros are “one of many” teams that have interest in Wheeler, according to Jon Heyman of MLB Network (Twitter link). Martino tweets that the Yankees also remain interested in Wheeler and will be watching intently this evening.
I don’t see the braves and Mets striking a deal for one or both of these guys, although that would be pretty awesome!
The deal for Thor would have to center around both Sorotka AND Austin Riley plus another mid-tier prospect
Your on drugs there’s zero chance they even think about trading Soroka
Why would the Braves trade their best starter for one who is older, less club control, less effective and more expensive?
Please tell me you are joking
So the Braves should trade a better, younger, and more years of control SP for a worse one, older, and less years of control, AND add another good player/prospect PLUS more. Lol some people are clueless.
Soroka is already better than Syndergaard. This is crazy.
Disagree. Soroka is having a better season yes. But if Noah pitched for the Braves with that defense and offense Noah would have a better record. Soroka is a beast for sure but Noah has way more experience more wins. If soroka pitched for the mets hed be a .500 pitcher or worse. Noah would put you guys over the top although I agree not st the expense of giving up soroka.
Nobody of importance cares about Thors W/L record, and hopefully most fans.
Only idiots care about pitcher wins and losses
The only reason they play the game is because it matters who wins and who loses. Pitchers wins still matter a lot, just not as much as it used to matter.
Please tell me why you are here on MLBTR and the people who disagree with you are working in MLB front offices.
@RBI pitcher wins do not and have never mattered one bit. Pitcher’s only job is to pitch as many innings as possible while allowing as few runs as possible. That is how they make a win most likely for the team.
Of course wins matter! That’s the only reason they play the game. It’s not just about all the new metrics. Wins are not one of the top measure for pitchers anymore. But, it wasn’t that long ago that Wins, K’s, and ERA were the top measures for pitching. The top pitching award is named after the man who won the most games (511), a record that will never be broken. It’s expected by most experts that Randy Johnson will be the last 300 game winner. 300 wins is the top way for a pitcher to make the Hall of Fame. Of course, pitching wins matter!
That’s because it wasn’t widely accepted then that wins were not important.
The sabermetrics were invented in the 1980’s and 90’s, etc. Baseball was played and measured for more than 100 years before then. The newer stats may expand upon the earlier base stats, but they do not render them unimportant.
Wins matter in the standings, but aren’t a very good indicator of how good a pitcher is, unless they’re really bad. Wins is one of the least valuable stats in baseball. What metrics do is actually tell us exactly how much a stat predicts how good a pitcher is, and therefore how important it is. Wins have one of the lowest adjusted r squared of any stat. Wins don’t even predict likelihood of more wins.
@RBI so are you trying to say that Jacob deGrom was just OK last year? What about Shelby Miller in 2015?
Stop it boomer
Had another pitcher won 20 and loss just 2, that pitcher would have won the NL Cy Young award over deGrom
@RBI and it would have been making a mockery of the Cy Young award.
So they dealing for the real Thor? He would provide the thunder in the lineup and lightning speed. Just like Hammering Hank.
Lol… You are off your rocker!
I think the deal could be Riley, Wright, and another mid tier pitching prospect
Maybe Acuna and Soroka for Cano and Thor?
Meant to attactch this to the soroka and riley propsal
Your tripping even harder
Its a joke im a braves fan
New York “Hey AA, we want Soroka and….” click “I think he hung up”!
Somebody needs to flag you for that nonsense
If you’re a Mets fan and this is what you’re expecting in a return for Thor, prepare to be disappointed
This is a ridiculous comment. Mets would most likely be after Ian Anderson, Pache, and Waters or Wright. I’d love to see Noah in ATL, but not at the expense of Soroka OR Riley. Braves would hang uo, and Mets know better than to ask. Hell, i’d hate to see them give up Anderson and Pache for him…but i’d competely understand it. Braves need to start dealing from that young pitching depth and right now is the time.
The only pitcher on the Mets roster that I would give up Anderson or Pache for is DeGrom. And in no trade do I give up Riley or Soroka
What are you smoking Joey?
Thor just is not worth what the Mets want in return. Kudos for them to try but the guy simply has not consistently proven himself despite that rocket of an arm. Is he Chris Sale? They’re trying for a premium above what the White Sox got. His track record on the field in the trainer’s room suggests he’s just not worth it (IMHO anyway).
Soroka strait up thir would be a bad deal for the braves.
Probably Freeman and Acuna too. Just as the other throw in prospects. Anybody else you want thrown in for Thor?
They wouldn’t include one of those players in a deal for Thor, never mind both. Well, certainly not Soroka who’s already (arguably) better than thor, but moving forward definitely looks to be.
And people wonder why I say the Mutts have the dumbest fans on earth?
They really look at this guy as if he’s scherzer or a young seaver.
Hes got 2 years left after this year.
Will make 10-15 mil both years.
Has an injury history.
Has a 4.4 era in the National League.
Pitches in one of the best pitchers parks in MLB.
But he’s Thor! Lol
He throws hard!
Sorry idiots, smart teams are not giving you multiple great, near ready prospects for a guy that needs to be fixed.
Just keep the superstar till he has zero value then a real organization will get him for virtually nothing and fix him.
@boogaloo And I absolutely believe that, in addition to the Cubs, Yanks and Red Sox, the Braves absolutely overbvalue their players. Why in the world would the Mets want Gausman? Why is he even thought of as a player with value right now? He’s got worse numbers than Thor, is close to 30 and only has 1 more year of control. His FIP suggests he’s having a better year than his 5+ EAR suggests but he’s not a player the Mets would want in a rebuild.
If you believe in advance metrics then Syndegard’s 3.64 FIP makes him a top 25 pitcher this year. With 2 years of control., he should be able to get the Mets at least 2 prospects in the top 100 and maybe a future top 100 still in the low minors.
No way Soroka goes anywhere in a deal it would be more of a Gausman and Ian Anderson package
Good Luck tonight Wheeler, you are going to need it against the Pirate’s lineup, it is deadly.
it’s not as deadly as people think. I watched them the last four or five games and I have not seen any signs of a deadly offense.
If the Mets get what they are currently asking for Syndergaard, they will have fleeced whomever they did the deal with. Teams are trading for the name and the hope they can turn him back into a sub 4 ERA guy at this point. That makes sense for the Padres, for example, they have a surplus of talent in the minor leagues and less urgency for 2019. But giving up Kirilloff, Royce Lewis, Deivi Garcia, Kyle Tucker types? No thanks, I’d rather go pay less for Stroman.
What team exactly are you speaking about?
Any contending team – you don’t give up a pile of top prospects for the hope that a guy might magically start pitching better. Especially if I’m the Twins or Yankees and you get the additional penalty for moving to the AL, AND out of a pitcher’s park.
I think a fair trade for Syndergaard at this point should exceed the return for Gausman, but not by leaps and bounds.
You’re seriously comparing the trade value of Noah Syndergaard to that of Kevin Gausman????
I almost spit out my drink laughing so hard when you said Gausman, you can’t be serious right? Since 2015, including this season, Syndergaard has been by any statistical measure one of the best 15 pitchers in baseball. He’s had one bad year and now comparing to a guy whos’ best full season ERA is higher than any of Thor’s seasons, except for this one. Besides this year, literally every season Thor has played he’s been better than the very best version of Gausman. This has to go down as one of the worst comparisons ever.
Thor has been hurt or underpreforming. Thats his track record.
Oddball…what if the pitcher’s advanced stats look better? 3.67FIP for example. Also, Thor’s playoff stats are filthy.
As for Soroka, he looks like the real deal, but it’s only been 23 games. Let’s see where he is after 100 games.
You should stop spitting and start pa lying attention because he said Ian Anderson and Gausman. Anderson is a top 25 prospect with ace potential but is probably a year away and they want a controllable mlb starter involved, Gausman being that bridge.
YoU sO DuMb sAiD GaUsMan huur dur. Yeah as the throw in jesus christ. Stop looking for excuses to freak out and ignoring what people are saying.
@baseballguru Let me clarify. I think the Mets want a GOOD mlb starting pitcher and also one who’s controllable for more than 1 and won’t be 29 in January. How is a young controllable starter a 29 year old with a 5+ ERA who’s a free agent after next season?
I would not pay it but I’m guessing they mean something along a Domingo German type.
Agree with you completely! Price is way too high for Syndergaard. Take Stroman for the smaller price tag.
Does anyone ever use context or research anymore? Dude had a poor March/April but has rocked a 3.50-ish ERA for the last 3 months. In his last 3 starts he’s pitched 7 innings per start and allowed a total of 6 runs. I’m not arguing his value but let’s there’s more to his story than his ERA.
You know what – his velocity isn’t as far down as I thought it was, and while his SwStr and K rates are down, his contact rates don’t make it seem like he totally deserves it.
He did run a 4 FIP in May and a 5 FIP in June so I’m not totally blown away by pointing at his last 21 innings. I may be coming around to the notion that he is a bit of a buy low, but the Mets aren’t apparently selling low, so I still don’t like the asking price. Especially as, if you’re the Twins or Yankees, he’s moving out of the AL and out of a pitcher’s park.
Go even farther and look at his pitch selection, he’s thrown his worst pitch more this year than any season before. Some team is going to trade for him and turn him back into Thor.
The Mets are scared other teams know how to fix him and they don’t lol
@oddballhererra
The thing I always look for in a pitcher is a) Do they allow fewer hits per IP? b) Do they strike out more than innings pitched? c) Can they keep their walk rate under 3 per 9 IP? Can they allow less than 1 homer per p IP?
For Syndegard it’s close to being yes across the board:
124 hits in 126 IP.
126 Ks in 126 IP
Walk per 9 IP of 2.6
Allows 1 hr per 9 IP
Yes on two and tied on the other two.
There are occasions where we’ve seen a usually awesome pitcher, with under-performing results who are then traded and then return to their dominant nature.
Verlander (3.82 ERA to 1..06 ERA in 2017 Det/Hou). is an example. Maybe rescuing him from the Mets and thrusting him into a scenario where he’s playing for something big will help turn those positive peripherals into better results on the field.?
Even with Thors diminished value I still think he’d be able to land a Deivi Garcia type prospect. I think the problem is that theyre shooting for even higher than that. I dont think the Mets will pull the trigger unless someone like Deivi Garcia was the only 2nd or 3rd best prospect in a bundle even though he should probably be the one headlining a bundle that includes two more B grade prospects.
Jays/Mets fan here….
Last I heard was the twins interested in both stroman and Ken Giles. For me no deal without Alex kirilloff or Tyler Larnach (I believe that’s the kids name) One thing Toronto needs is a stud corner outfielder. And some young arms. Maybe a guy like Zach Littel or a couple mid range AA arms about a year or two away from the big leagues.
Stroman wont get you a top 30 guy. Doesnt strike guys out
It’s Trevor*.
The Blue Jays need talent. They don’t need to cookie cut the roster. They need good baseball players. If you’re good they’ll find somewhere to put you.
Gurriel and Grichuk are probably playing the corner outfield for the foreseeable future anyway. The Jays need the best baseball players, irrespective of position
Ask is not unrealistic. A pitcher to step in could be Tomlin and top prospects Wilson and Allard. Other minor leagers Ortega or LaMarre or Blanco. So that would be Wilson Tomlin Allard and LaMarre for Syndergaard. I cold do that.
Smoke and mirrors from a Kmart organization.
The Dodgers should trade Stripling for this guy…
I’m sure they have some minor league prospects they can part with as well.
I like the Dodgers RHP Stripling and C Will Smith for Thor. Both ready to play. If Wilpon cared for the fans, he would have fired Callaway at All Star break and trade either Thor or Wheeler to Yankees.
Not a chance with Will Smith. Gavin Lux is a huge maybe….
Will smith is easy in the conversation
Rays make so much sense on a deal for Thor. Franco and McKay are obviously untouchable, but they have plenty of high end prospects along with ML ready pitching such as Yarborough, Chirinos, Banda, De Leon. Throw in some solid prospects such as Hernandez, Sanchez, and/or Brujan and get the deal done.
They wouldn’t stand a chance if the Padres are truly serious.
The #2 farm system doesn’t have a chance? Sure Padres have the top, but I wouldn’t call it impossible.
The Padres have the most top 100 prospects in MLB. They could overwhelm the Mets far better than the Rays. Plus the Padres have the #1 farm system across all outlets where not everyone ranks the Rays as #2.
@Steven Chitwood
Actually I believe as the midseason prospect upgrades come out a few have the Rays at #1 now…yes the Padres have the most top 100 but the Rays are overall much deeper!
i think the sad part is… no matter who wants to line up for these quality pitchers they have 2 advantages over the yanks.
1. the right talent in the farm at the right level
2. A GM willing to pay what it takes.
How many earned runs does Paxton give up tonight?, and does he get through 4 innings?
Preller will not overpay. The Braves or Yankees might, but they’re in contention now. I think it is more likely that the Mets are going to tey to raise the price, and then be unable to trade him….like the last two seasons. Their not going to get what the mets fanbase thinks is a fair price.
You must be a Rays fan, Padres are far superior to the Rays or anyone else in their farm
Baseball America and Fangraphs both placed the Rays significantly ahead of the Padres now. I know Fangraphs would still have the Rays as the best farm system even if you removed McKay.
Lol. The Rays currently have a better farm. The rays could outbid the padres easily.
Wander says hello
Padres are seeing some of the high prospects meddle when they get to the show. Eventually they will have to acquire a SP. T. Bauer probably would be the guy & if they are willing to go $30mil/yr-ish you can lock him long term.
Rays will not part with McKay, Franco or Hernandez but the rest of their prospects could be in play.
No one is paying Trevor Bauer $30m a year and Bauer has explicitly said he’s not interested in long-term deals.
30m for bauer? Hes a backend starter.
On a 1 year deal I could absolutely see Bauer getting 30 million. 33 year old Donaldson just got 25
Bauer is not a backend starter. Not a league ace, but easily an ace on a lot of teams.
*23 mill for Donaldson*
But your point is still valid
@showmeyourtatis
Isn’t the fact that he won’t sign a long term deal a good thing? It means that the team that signs him will probably limit their risk to 2-4 years. That’s a win.
@padres458 Bauer has been a top of rotation starter for the last 2 seasons. What’s missing here?
Braves need to cash some chips in. It’s time. A deal can be done without cleaning out the cupboard too.
But Steve Adams, what about your comment in MLBTR chat that Twins wouldn’t deal those two top prospects to the Mets for Thor AND Diaz? The price for Thor is clearly going to be two pieces of that caliber, yet you were so certain Mets would have to add an extremely valuable closer to the package to get that deal done.
Please enjoy your dinner of crow this evening.
Just cuz the Mets want that doesn’t mean there’s a chance in hell the Twins give it to them…
Well, last I checked, the deal isnt done. The Mets asking for Lewis and Kiriloff =/= the Twins actually trading both for Thor.
They’re not getting both… are you kidding?? I doubt they get one. I think the ask is for one or the other.
Fred has contempt for the Yankees. More proof of the fool that he has become.
Make the best trade that helps your team’s future.
Stop your jealousy. Hire a real professional and leave him alone with a budget commensurate with a major market team.
Otherwise sell the franchise. You are ruining it for National League fans in the New York Area.
Can’t agree with this more. To let you emotions get in the way of the best deal (if indeed the Yankees were to offer it) is a terrible move. Coney Island has moved to Queens.
The Yankees can really really want Thor, but their prospects do not line up with what the Mets are actually looking for in return: CF, SP, and maybe C. The Yankees farm is sparse compared to any of the other teams mentioned.
Frazier….The Mets have too many corner bat-first OF, so Frazier would be a 4th or 5th OF.
Garcia…nice upside, but he is undersized and a rung or two down from any of the other teams’ top prospect offering, and the Yankees secondary pieces don’t lineup to make up for that…mostly corner bats with bad defense.
Andujar…great bat and no glove. The Mets have plenty of that already AND they have said multiple times they want to improve their team defense.
Add on top the stigma/drama that comes with crosstown trades and they likely would have to overpay with little to meet the needs of the Mets. Trading for a guy to move him is too risky, so short of a 3-team trade, that won’t work.
@bartoloHRball
Depends on what their scouts say. Plenty of trades have been done where the acquiring team demanded guys not on a top 100 list but whose talent was spotted by that teams scout. Arguably, Deivi Garcia is the Yanks best prospect but he’s not top 100 yet. Probably by the end of the year.
CF-Josh Stowers. Drafted by the M’s 2nd round 201.
in 73 games at low A= .252/.356/387 with 22 SB
C-Josh Breaux Drafted 2nd round 2018 draft
In 30 games @ low A= .295/323/.500 w/ 7 homers
SP- Luis Gil, 21 yo-
18 starts split between low A/A+= 89 IP, 64 hits, 117 Ks with a 2.43 ERA
Then you have guys at other positions that are likely blocked.
1B Chris Gitten at AA= .285/.407/.510 w/ 17 hrs and 58 BB vs 100 Ks in 86 games.
LF/RF Cannan Smith-4th round 2017
Low A- .312/.412/.459 w/ 56BB/81K in 89 games.
I’m just giving examples of how teams have good players in the minors that don’t always appear on lists. Robinson Cano, Luke Voit and others were never on a top 100 list.
I agree. It’s understandable to not want to trade with division rivals, but the Yankees aren’t even in the NL. Refusing to do business with the Yankees is just ridiculous, you limit yourself. If the Yankees were to make the best offer and it’s a good one, refusing it just because it’s the Yankees is stupid.
Fred Wilpon let’s his Yankees obsession hurt his own team. Needs to get over it and be reasonable, it’s just another reason why his baseball team will always be the joke of NY.
Is there any proof the Yankees are offering the best deal for Mets players?
He’s never been the same since Bernie Madoff with a large chunk of his money.
That tells you his intelligence too.
Clever…I see what you did there
Ok. Crazy armchair gm never gonna happen trade off but fun to throw out there: hear me out. Noah, Wheeler, and Diaz… for Ian Anderson, Kyle Wright, Drew Waters, Allard, Wentz, and some other top 30. Throw in Ender and call it a day? Too much? Too little?
For the record, I’d honestly rather keep the prospects… no trade at the end of the day for these guys. Simply stirring a conversation
Pls no, dont sell the farm, just wait it out and these prospects will be much better than the return
You have a chance this year to go all the way, u make it happen last year I understand it wasnt their time. The nats will surely be better next year and the Phillies. You strike now while the core is cheap isn’t this why u got donaldson?
I, for one, wouldn’t want to trade some of our top prospects within our division. That could REALLY come back to bite us in the near future. Plus, Thor and Wheeler have had several injury issues lately, and Diaz hasn’t pitched as well this year in the NL, which makes me a lot more hesitant to trade those top prospects for those players.
No way Anderson and Waters are involved in any trade
Gretzky gets traded sure. But Ian Anderson and Drew Waters.. no way
Braves offer Wright, Allard, Demeritte
If mets want a lot more hang up and move on
This is the kind of offer that should get it done, anything more than this and the Mets are dreaming
I like this offer from a Braves standpoint. I would even add in another player or 2 outside the top 25 prospect list.
If you like the offer from your team’s perspective, then it probably isn’t a very good offer.
That’s a reasonable offer. I could even see the Braves including Wentz if the Mets include a good reliever. Maybe Wentz and Gohara if Mets include Diaz.
For Noah? Tough pill to trade both those pitchers … but it makes sense. Maybe not demeritte because he’s not that good in my opinion. Might need to offer something a little better or at least a hitter with more potential and a ceiling as low as his. Cruz? Idk, u get the point
I think the Mets would pretty easily move on if Wright/Allard/Demeritte was the best Atlanta could do. Lol Allard and Demeritte are replacement level, Wright’s been bad. Bleh
Thor is one of the few players I would be able to tolerate the Braves trading big pieces for. As long as Riley, Pache, and Anderson weren’t part of the deal it could help. I would rather not give up Waters either. The Mets need a lit of help so maybe the Braves could trade them a haul of good players that don’t include those guys and get something done. The farm is deep enough that the Mets could still get a lot of very good prospects with out them included. I think I read a while back that they are very interested in Camargo. I don’t want to see him go but him and several other good prospects for Thor I would do.
You’re not getting a pitcher like Thor for your team’s “B” prospects
On top of that, i think the Mets trade him out of the division
The thing you dont realize is the Braves B prospects are A’s for almost 80% of all other clubs. So yes I’m sure you guys will ask for the moon, but the 4-10 Braves prospects would generate a huge haul. That said I dont want that brittle monster. Just cant reust him.
I’m not sure what the “you guys” comment means. I’m not a Mets fan.
GMs could care less if you think the Braves B prospects are “A’s for almost 80% of all other clubs”
Their 4-10 will not net you a starting pitcher with that kind of control.
It has to start with either Wright or Anderson and go from there, otherwise you’ll get a dial tone on the other line
Or, BVW might be gullible that you may be able to pull something on him!
Might?
If you are not absolutely 100%!certain then you are gullible as well.
Wright is the Braves number 4 prospect, according to the mid-season adjustments.
And the Braves top 8 prospects are each in the MLB top 100. So, getting a top 25 prospect like Wright, plus 2 other top 100 over all prospects might even be an over pay for Thor this season. So, maybe something like Wright, Contreras, Wentz, and Demirette should be plenty. I would prefer if Braves include Allard and Gohara (MLB top 100 last season) if Mets include Diaz, but that is probably pushing it.
Depends on what top 100 you look at. I agree with your proposal as well. Wright and very good complementary pieces is a solid get for Thor
He might be…..
I hate when fans think this way. The Braves fOuRtH best prospect is a 20 yr old CF who leads AA in hitting over .330 with plus speed and arm. Just because a guy isnt the guy with the lowest number on his teams prospect ranking, doesn’t mean its an under pay.
You’re the guy getting stuck with Lewis Brinson thinking that way.
I can’t understand the need to trade Thor. I get the return of high end prospects and perhaps plug in starters, but high end starters are rare (and yes, that what he is) and the Mets should be building around him and DeGrom. If the situation were reversed, what would the Yankees do? They’d go get betters players and keep their own talent.
They’ve already invested too much money in bad contracts, that they can’t afford to resign Syndergaard, and add other pieces. It would have been viable if they had committed to a small rebuild last year, but van wagenen really messed up.
Hey padres. He’s GM of the year according to Jerry Dipoto who said, I’ve never had an easier time and so much fun picking another GM’s pockets. The guy has NO CLUE.
Ane even exchange would be Noah Syndergaard, Zack Wheeler, and Edwin Diaz for Mike Foltynewicz, Johan Camargo, Ian Adderson, and Touki Toussaint
I think the Mets need to add Pete Alonso and Jeff McNeil to even that out
Ane even exchange would be Noah Syndergaard, Zack Wheeler, and Edwin Diaz for Mike Foltynewicz, Ian Adderson, Touki Toussaint, Ender Inciarte and Luiz Gohara.
Yay alcohol
Let me guess you are a Braves fan!
Domingo German and Clint Frazier and a prospect for Thor. German is perfect fit for citi field. Or throw in andujar and we’ll take Diaz in the deal too
German is the Yanks best pitcher this year. That trade would make no sense.
Montgomery?
Are you taking any meds fg? Nobody wants Diaz. You were dumb Enough to get him. Throw in Andujar? Your teams mediocrity is affecting your balanceS
Just how exactly were they “dumb enough” in getting a guy who last season had 57 saves and 124 strikeouts in 73 innings?
German is probably better than Syndergaard now, and younger, and more controllable.
Yanks will get garbage as once again cash won’t pay the price for legit SP….. Jack Curry just tweeted “For close to a month, Yankees have felt the prices for pitching have been too high. When Cashman was asked by reporters in Boston if those prices had dropped, he noted that he had not yet made a deal. So, no, those prices haven’t decreased to their liking.”
You get what you pay for, so whoever Cash the genius is willing to trade for is a sure fire thing to be the next happless, lynn, garcia etc… Meaning a decent 3 on a bad team or another 4/5 for the yanks.
One top end starter like Thor or even Bauer puts us clearly over the edge. Nah ill take my chances with Pax, Tanaka, and then either the fat man, happless, or a kid.
That price would be ONE Dollar! The Yankees are just playing the PR game to keep their fans off their backs. There will be no pitcher for the Yankees as Hal is happy counting beans in Florida!
true but its not hal…. other teams go to the WS with smaller payrolls. however when you blow 35 mil on happless cc and gardy….
The entire fault lies with Cashman’s inability to secure legit SP. period. Think about it- its not Hal’s fault he signed happless and cc over say corbin and moton. its not hal’s fault Cash targeted pax….
imagine the situation we’d be in if mlb were like the nhl….
#cashmustgo
Kiriloff, Thorpe, Rooker, low level lotto for Thor.
That’s probably the best offer I’ve read on here
If that’s what the Mets are seeking, does this work??
(A) Lucchesi or Lauer
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(B) Morejon or Baez
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(C) Xavier Edwards or Hudson Potts or Buddy Reed
I think the Padres would move Urius before Edwards.
I’ve been trying to think of the package the Pads have would give for a bit. To get Thor you’d have to give away enough for the Mets to go for it. I don’t think that’s a good enough pitching prospect to get them to listen.
My offer would be:
Eric Lauer
Luis Patino (I’d desperately want to replace him with either Diaz or Weathers but I don’t think that’s enough.)
Austin Allen
and Owen Miller
If Patino is replaced with Diaz or Weathers Miller gets upgraded to Xavier Edwards.
Thoughts?
In my opinion, If the Mets insist on Patino to be in the deal, AJ should walk away from it.
Lucchesi/Morejon/Edwards + possibly one other piece gives the Mets an immediate rotation piece, a top 50 prospect who could step into the rotation as soon as next year, as well as another high upside middle IF right on the verge of most Top-100 rankings.
For the Padres, they’d add Syndergard to a rotation mix of Lauer, Paddack, Lamet + the others this season, with Richards and Gore hopefully coming next year and Patino shortly thereafter.
Patino has been untouchable. The Mets asked about him during the offseason when they discussed Syndergaard. Preller wants to bookend him with Gore. I can see the Padres moving Cantillo in low A, who is about to fly up the prospect list. I can see the Padres offering a combination of Urius, Allen, Weathers/Morejon/Baez, Lauer/Lucchesi/Qauntrill, Reed, and hunt.
I believe the Padres are just too high on Edwards, and want him to be our leadoff of the future. He had a bumpy start in low A, but is now hitting over .300.
I like Owen Miller, but he’s blocked.
*Bumpy start in high A, Edwards raked in low A.
Yeah I think they’d be loath to move Edwards. I just don’t see them moving Urias (and I’d hate to see it). If they did the rest of the package should be quite light, definitely not putting a top pitching prospect in there with him. Don’t see the zmets having much interested in Urias in the first place either.
I like Urius too, but he has two things working against him. 1) hes’s not a Preller guy; he was signed by the prior administration 2) The Padres kept him down in El Paso too long, when they had a need here. They had him playing SS full time, while putting up monster #’s. It looked as if they were showcasing him as trade bait while was still listed as a top 25 prospect. Plus they have permanently moved, and listed Edwards as a 2nd baseman.
1. Enough on the “not Preller’s guy” thing.
2. They kept him in AAA because he needed everyday AB’s and they needed to give Ian Kinsler a chance to build trade value.
No on moving Patiño and Edwards. Their stocks will be much higher in a year.
Xavier Edwards is miles ahead of Potts and Reed.
Twins can give up Devin Smeltzer, Jaylin Davis, Nick Gordon, Blayne Enlow and Gilberto Celestino for Syndergaard and Diaz.
I wonder if someone would offer a package for Thor and Cano? Mets could dump that hideous Cano contract by attaching it to Thor. Cano could be hidden as a 2b/1b/DH in the AL.
Tigers send a bunch of AAA rejects for Thor and Cano. Ty Alexander, Soto, Farmer, Stumpf… take your pick. Tigers could use Cano as a 2B or at first. He would improve their offense. As bad as he is… he would still be an improvement.
that would be the typical disaster scenario – money over talent. Can’t waste Thor’s present value on the bad contract of Cano. they need the infusion of talent in one fell swoop you don’t get elsewhere
Of course Fred Wilpon lets his personal feelings get in the way of business…..
Whatever happened to Mark Appell? Is he out of baseball?
Yes, retired
Kyle Tucker and To y Kemp for Thor. Can throw in Peacock if they want a legit starter but Astros should get a minor league prospect back for that add-in. Tucker was the #5 player picked in the 2015 draft and is a top-10 MLB prospect. He’s 22, he’s killing AAA pitching and still has 2 option years left (shouldn’t need them, but nice to have that flexibility) and 6 years of team control. Fair deal for both there and Mets outfield needs help. Syndergaard is from Texas, not that it really matters to the Mets, but he’s said he’d love to pitch in Texas. He Would leave happy and complimentary of the Mets.
Very generous of you and the Astros to include Tony Kemp in a trade offer…. Tony Kemp was designated for assignment earlier today….
Reminds me of the fantasy baseball trades I have been offered over the years. Teams offer me a scrub player for a good player and then after I reject, they end up releasing the guy they tried to pawn off on me….
He’s a throw in obviously but he’s a starter for the Mets. The also DFA’d Tyler White and received something for him. Kemp is far superior to White
They got JD Davis from Mets. Wheeler,Diaz for for guys for Fisher or Tucker and so on.
Degrom to Brewers for Dubon and so on.
Noah,Cano to Cardinals for Gorman,Momtero and so on.
Do you even understand what designated for assignment means?
It means the team needs to trade him within 7 days (or put him on waivers)
Just like Tyler White, who was traded several days after being designated for assignment
Why is it such a shock and/or so wrong to include him in the offer.
IF COURSE HE WILL BE INCLUDED IN EVERY OFFER the next 4 days.
And Tony Kemp has very real value, even if he will not be the headliner of any deal.
Kyle Wright, Wilson/Allard, Demerritte for Thor works. Both pitchers are close if not ready for MLB and demeritte right now is better than Cano lol. Thor would be more valuable if not for his injury history
Noah is Cole v2.
The Braves need to be all over him and give them whatever overrated pitching they have other than Anderson. Trade Waters, but keep Pache.
What’s everyones fascination with “thor”
Just like Harper the numbers never lie the guy has never pitched 200 innings the guy is is injury prone and his numbers right now dont scream ace. Stop looking at the names and focus on the numbers just looking at his injur list I say NO the Yankees have learned that with Paxton I hope.
Agreed over hyped because he plays in NY.
Career 3.21 ERA, almost 10K per 9,
2.85 FIP and a 1.1 career WHIP
He’s 26 and controllable for 2 1/2 more seasons
EXACTLY…not giving him away. You need to BLOW US away with an offer.
Thor for Loaisiga, Florial, and Frazier
I’m a Yankees fan and I can admit there is NO way the Mets would this trade. Torres is about the only piece that I could see the Mets agreeing to snd no way Cashman is trading Torres.
My prediction is Yankees find a way to get Stroman and/or Ray at the deadline
No from a Mets fan…only piece I like here is Floriial
Mets pitching staff might be who I completely get rid off they broke Harvey and Diaz thor and degrom are injury prone maybe their coaches are just doing something wrong.
Would you consider contacting the DBacks about RRay and to make things more interesting….add in Greinke to the Yankees. This does two things for the NYY….first It bolsters the rotation and second, by taking on Greinle’s contract…it lessens the amount that the Yankees would need to give up for RRay
Yankeeds would never eat that salary of Greinke’s DBacks would need to pick up half his salary.
Greinke has a no trade clause and New York is almost assuredly on that list couple that with his anxiety issues in the past pretty sure he would never go to New York.
I really believe that if Syndergaard gets traded, it’s going to be to a West Coast team.
TIme will tell, but someone is going to have to give up three good prospects for the guy.
Haha
Yu Darvish, Alozay, Happ, and Caratini for Syndergaard, Diaz, and Conforto. Maybe help by taking the Cano contract if Mets pay part.
LOL….yeah that’s a BIG No.
Not sure why the Yankees are included in this besides them wanting syndergaard. Their best package doesn’t match up with what the Mets need. Garcia has had a good season but not since he jumped up to AAA and had to use the juiced ball and the Mets don’t have a need for another corner of in Frazier or another guy who can’t field in andujar. Along with that the other teams listed have stacked farms with pitchers cf and even ss that would fill a hole better
Argh! It’s all posturing and placement! Please let this horror end!
Astros haven’t gotten great results from Whitley this year, might be the right deal to package him up, Astros get Thor and Seth Lugo headlined by Whitley might just entice the Mets to pull their finger out
Syndergaard and Lugo for Whitley and Tucker
No, not trading Lugo as well. Plus not sold on Whitley. Arm issues, not doing well in AA I believe and is 22 still in AA
Adding Lugo if we were dumb enough would cost more on top of giving up Thor.
Mets should do that deal
LOL..
Ahh. What a surprise. It looks like the Mets lied again to get more coverage in the New York Post. Could it be the Wilpons that wanted more media attention? It’s funny that the Post is the only newspaper that gives them attention. They never even try to get headlines in the Times anymore. I guess the editor there just figured out they were a joke and stopped giving them the time of day.
Keep the Mets stank in New York, I don’t want either of those scrubs pitching for the Astros.
Mets don’t need to trade Thor at the deadline.. He has playoff experience,
Mets don’t need to trade Thor by deadline.. if teams want him for playoff, you have to overpay!! otherwise they can hold on to him and decide to trade him this offseason..
Looks like the Mets are going to come away with two big handfuls of nothing for Syndergaard and push toward hopes of an 80-win season again next year. They are far behind their division rivals and need to look at 2021-2022. They’re missing this opportunity by not pulling the trigger
speaking from an Houston fan who’s team is looking to make the deal for him.
Hmm?
Syndergaard for pache and Anderson
Diaz for lux and May
Conforto for adel
Lux and May for Diaz is definitely in the ballpark. Pache and Anderson for Syndergaard is quite a bit light. There is likely very little chance Conforto signs an extension as a Boras client, so he should eventually get moved. 2 years of control for 6 of Adel seems good, but Adel isn’t a proven MLB’er yet and Conforto is and an all-star…so it’d always want multiple guys back for a proven solid MLB’er.
Why are the Mets not shopping DeGrom? Isn’t he just under team control through 2020?
Did you not hear about his contact extension
I did not, thanks
Again, why are we (Mets) rushing into trading Syndergaard? Ok yes Mets having a bad year. But mid-season you goiing to get full valve for him? I don’t think so. Let’s break it down
– Wheeler and Vargas are 90% gone by deadline. Definitely won’t be back next year.
– You trade Syndergaard, now you are 3/5 of your rotation is gone
– Next year do you really want to go into off-season with only DeGrom and Matz and a bunch of rookies or unknows?
– Syndergaard is only 26 still even on a off year is decent. 2 years left of controllability You can wait another year to see if we can get some help for Degrom and him.
– Do you really want our dumb GM making this type of move under the gun in the next day or two??
– What if we actually got a catcher who could call a good game and is solid defensively, a CF who can catch the ball, clean bullpen out (which teams do year to year). Do you really think we can’t complete? At least give this a try for 1 more year. If we are just as bad, then break it down and rebuild.
I say, don’t meet the Mets’ asking price. Sooner or later they are going to have to trade him.
Do you even understand what designated for assignment means?
It means the team needs to trade him within 7 days (or put him on waivers)
Just like Tyler White, who was traded several days after being designated for assignment
Why is it such a shock and/or so wrong to include him in the offer.
IF COURSE HE WILL BE INCLUDED IN EVERY OFFER the next 4 days.
And Tony Kemp has very real value, even if he will not be the headliner of any deal.
I thought the same based on the earlier response from the ignorant Met fan. He obviously thinks DFA means “placed on waivers”. Kemp is a young, controllable, good player who is good enough to start on about half the teams in MLB. He’s controllable for 6 years too, just out of options and without a place to play on the Astros who are loaded at second base and the outfield
If he was good he wouldn’t have been a DFA
Incorrect. If he wasn’t on one of the top 3 teams in baseball, with a hall of famer playing his natural 2nd base position, and all stars in his other two positions (center and left) he wouldn’t have been DFA’d.
Come on, this isn’t that difficult. All they did was remove him from the roster to make room for two studs from their minor league system 7 days in advance of the trade deadline. All that really does is ensure he gets traded and the Astros will get something in return. The team with the best record in baseball gave up a minor league prospect for the last guy the Astros DFA’d and he was fat, slow, limited defensively and about 100 points lower than Kemp in OPS. He was not waived…read up on DFA
See how the DFA thing works? Kemp traded for a backup catcher
Twins fan here…….although I find it unlikely, if the price to pay to get Syndergaard means having to trade Royce Lewis or Alex Kirilloff, you go for it! I know Mets will want other players but with one of those 2 as the centerpiece, imo, Falvey has to make that deal. Syndergaard is under team control for the next 2 seasons, although arbitration eligible. With the likelihood that Falvey (HE SHOULD!!!) let Gibson ($8mill) and Odorizzi ($9.5mill) leave in free agency—adding Thor at a price tag of around $9-$10mill next season is a slamdunk decision. Teaming him with Berrios and Pineda, who should be re-signed, would give the Twins an above average 1-2-3 starting rotation for next year.
NO
I don’t think the Astros have offered Kyle Tucker for Syndergaard straight up based on every report saying Tucker is untouchable to Luhnow. But, if he’s offered to the Mets with all his pluses (6 years team control, 22 years old, top 10 mlb prospect, raking in AAA, top 5 draft pick out of high school) then they are foolish. Astros are loaded in the outfield, they can chance trading a potential future star for a current one
Syndergaard is an ace caliber pitcher. He’s proven it over the past 5 years and his 2018 season was fantastic. Almost every pitcher has a bad luck month or two. Noah’s bad month was April. He’s had an ERA of 3.58 since. He’s had a 3.51 ERA since June. He’s had a 3.46 ERA in July. He’s had a 2.57 ERA over the past 3 starts.
The Mets are over-asking for sure. They want their cake and they want to eat it, too, but why wouldn’t they over-ask? Every team in baseball would like to have Syndergaard and either the Mets are trying to get a huge overpay or maybe they’ll keep him? It’s tough to say.
If the Mets want a quality MLB ready, controllable starter, the 2nd top 50 prospect is gone from the equation.
I think a fair trade would be:
1 MLB top 50 + 1 MLB top 100 + low/mid ceiling MLB ready pitcher + 1 team top 10ish
So, double what the Astros gave up for Garrett Cole huh? Like I said, the Mets will walk away with two handfuls of nothing and scratch and claw to win 80 games the next two years with Thor on their team….and then he comes back home to Texas as a free agent anyway for nothing.
One MLB writer’s prediction:
HOU acquires RHP Noah Syndergaard from NYM in exchange for OF Kyle Tucker, RHP Enoli Paredes, SS Jonathan Arauz
Thor to NYY in exchange for Andujar, Florial, C. Adams, J. Loaisiga