10:38pm: There’s interest “around the block” in Bauer, one official told Joel Sherman of the New York Post. The Astros “are said to be among the most interested,” Sherman writes. Houston has questions in its rotation now beyond Justin Verlander, Gerrit Cole and Wade Miley, and Verlander is the lone member of the trio who’s under contract past this season. Bauer would somewhat help cover for the potential exits of Cole and Miley in 2020.
6:25pm: The Indians face an interesting potential dilemma — and opportunity — with regard to starter Trevor Bauer. Even as they continue to ramp up the pressure on the AL Central-leading Twins and remain in Wild Card position, the Cleveland organization may consider swapping out the excellent but costly right-hander.
Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic characterizes the Cleveland organization as “aggressive listeners” when it comes to Bauer (audio link via Twitter; further discussion via subscription link). That’s an understandable position for the organization to take. After all, any deal would have to both respect the team’s immediate prospects for contention and represent a significant boost to the future outlook.
There’s ample long-term uncertainty between the Indians and Bauer. He’s earning $13MM this year and promises to take down another significant raise on top of that (particularly after twice defeating the club in an arbitration hearing). It will likely be difficult for the team to afford him in 2020. Beyond that, Bauer has made clear for some time now that he intends to head onto the open market and sign a string of one-year contracts. Even if the Indians want to retain him, they’ll need to top quite a few other potential bidders.
That said, there isn’t exactly immediate pressure to do a deal. If the Indians are determined not to hang onto Bauer next season, they can still certainly move him over the offseason. Having already skimped on salary entering this season and run into a surprisingly stiff challenge from Minnesota, the Indians will surely hesitate to draw away too much present ability from the MLB roster. And the rotation is in greater need than might have been anticipated due to ongoing uncertainty surrounding Corey Kluber and Carlos Carrasco. While each is expected to return, it remains to be seen whether either can make it back to top form this season.
If there’s room for a deal, it surely involves a scenario in which the Indians are able to acquire high-quality, MLB-ready position-player talent. There are quite a few marginal offensive performers on the roster at present, leaving ample room to improve. It’s not altogether impossible to imagine a trade coming together, particularly if the Indians can find a partner with a bit of a surplus to work with in the right areas. But this was all largely true over the offseason, when the Cleveland front office explored but did not consummate deals involving its slate of starters.
The obvious connection to be made here is between the Indians and Yankees. The New York outfit needs starters and just so happens to possess an excess young slugger that was once a top performer on the Cleveland farm. But Rosenthal reiterates (as he has suggested previously) that the Yanks don’t want to move Clint Frazier for a quality starter who comes with another season of control. The staying power of that stance seems a bit dubious — if the New York organization was really so convinced of the 24-year-old’s abilities with the bat, it probably wouldn’t have been so eager to displace him from the 2019 roster — but it remains the prevailing characterization of the situation.
That’s not to say the Yankees aren’t interested in Bauer, a 28-year-old hurler who hasn’t been quite as excellent as he was last year but nevertheless paces the American League with 132 frames and carries a strong 3.61 ERA. To the contrary, Rosenthal says that NYY scouting guru Tim Naehring watched Bauer’s most recent outing. As Andy Martino of SNY.tv notes, that’s not necessarily an overly momentous occurrence, though there’s little doubt the Yankees were glad to have a close look at Bauer.
If the Indians do indeed crank up the volume on their headphones and bust out the air guitar for a truly aggressive listening session, they’ll no doubt want to check out some other artists beyond the Bronx Bombers. Quite a few other contenders would no doubt prefer to pay a bit more for Bauer than to give up a haul for a true rental pitcher. In addition to the extra season of control, which could fill a rotation need for next season or be cashed back in via trade, a new team might reasonably anticipate recouping draft compensation in the future by extending a qualifying offer.
lowtalker1
Bauer and San Diego is semi intriguing to me.
User 589131137
It shouldn’t be. San Diego has NOTHING the Tribe needs/wants. Those 3-4 AAAA outfielders aren’t worth quality pitching.
partyatnapolis
renfroe can hit it a mile
Polish Hammer
And not even Myers and his huge contract owed is enticing…so please none of he usual ridiculous Padre trade scenarios to bring up.
davidkaner
San Diego has one of top minor league systems & a plethora of prospects so to say they have “nothing” Cleveland wants or needs is not only absurd it’s 100% in accurate
Polish Hammer
They don’t need prospects they need major league ready talent.
User 589131137
Does SD have a major league difference maker right now at the outfield position? How about an infielder who could replace Kipnis right now? Do you know what major-league ready talent means? Your pitching prospects are indeed excellent, but not what the Tribe needs…
Show Me Your Tatis
@Polish Hammer you mean like Trevor Bauer?
Polish Hammer
Yes, deal from depth to fill holes.
sportsnut969
2 thumbs up on your post I’ve been preaching this since this past offseason.
I do not see the key player coming from Padres that can step in and help offensively for the Indians.
I think Yankees, Houston and Dodgers fit the bill.
all 3 have Major League ready bats fill Indians needs.
Ketch
You don’t think Urias could replace Kipnis?
Show Me Your Tatis
@Polish Hammer would trading Bauer away really be “trading from depth.” They trade him and one guy gets injured or struggles and their gonna want him back.
Polish Hammer
They’ve been without Kluber, Carrasco, Clevinger and then their replacement Rodriguez and wobbled into the break only 12 games over .500, so yeah somehow through all of that somebody with 1/2 a brain can see they have depth.
Just go away already, troll somewhere else.
Show Me Your Tatis
1. You’re the troll
2. Bauer is a huge reason why they are 12 games over .500. The only way trading him makes sense for CLE is if they are punting on 2019 and 2020. It’s been said before but now is not the time for half measures in Cleveland. They need to either cash in their prospects for immediate help, or get started on the inevitable rebuild.
Polish Hammer
Just go away idiot…
Show Me Your Tatis
Yeah, I’d cut back on that if I were you pal.
Show Me Your Tatis
LOL ok buddy
los_leebos
Renfroe or Reyes as a starting point, with maybe a decent-good near MLB ready pitching prospect sounds about right. Renfroe has hit 26+ HRs in three straight seasons playing part-time in a division with good pitching and 1 hitter’s park. He’s ready. Reyes has basically hit the ball harder than anyone for the last year and a half and might hit 40+ HRs this year. He’s perfect for an AL squad. I’d take either of them over Clint Frazier right now if I were Cleveland.
bencole
Clint Frazier is probably not going back to Cleveland anyway. Although one of those two OF is probably not enough to be the key piece in a Bauer deal.
twinsfan368
Trade Bauer Indians FO then my twinkies won’t have to face him
smoked_gouda
There’s a lot of smoke here….. was reading story on Twitter from yesterday and this alert came up.. plus Naehring in Cincy to watch… lots of smoke
spooky
Smoke indeed
scarfish
Good advice
rice
I can see him headed to San Diego for Hunter Renfroe + prospects. The Padres have stacked outfield depth and get a strong starter while the Indians get their outfield and lineup help.
Dodger Dog
I was thinking Renfroe straight up is probably a pretty good deal for both sides too.
sufferforsnakes
Hahahaha…..Hahahaha!!
rdsfan05
Is this man on drugs like serious get this guy out of here
dblock1982
Yeah that ain’t happening
asdfgh
I know I have my hunch that Cleveland connects with the Cardinals as they always seem to match up and can help with some OF ready help. You already have one in Oscar Mercado.
Show Me Your Tatis
4 years of Renfroe > 1 year of Bauer
padam
Renfroe would be a toss in for this deal…
Show Me Your Tatis
LOL ok big guy
bencole
Renfroe probably couldn’t headline thus deal. And no, 4 years of Renfroe < 1.5 year of Bauer
c.fisher
Praying we don’t do a straight swap… the Indians have to realize this is one step forward two steps back in that scenario. We get a projectable OFer we all loved (and traded as PART of a package for a reliever) in exchange for a guy who has top 5 in baseball potential every outing.
It needs to be a few really good guys or just hold on to Bauer… he’s just too good to get bullied by the Yanks
hockeyjohn
New York does not have the pieces that I would want the Indians to gain for Bauer. Frazier is poor defensively and has a lousy attitude. If they have to trade him, trade him to the National League. That being said, I would keep him for 2019 and trade in the off season,
User 589131137
Here comes the unsourced Frazier bashing….
hockeyjohn
I shared my opinion and stated it as such if you read carefully. If Cleveland traded for Frazier and a pitching prospect from New York, I would be very disappointed. By the way, his poor defense is measurable and his attitude issues have also been stated in the media. Again, I shared my opinion.
Polish Hammer
I’d actually be good with a Frazier led package.
Melchez
“I’d actually be good with a Frazier led package.”
Every Yankee fan would be.
Frazier might get you Oliver Perez.
rocky7
Thank you have some mis-information there Hockeyjohn….There have been no attitude issues in the NY media….the kid wants to play on the major league level and simply took 3 days to report when sent down….not exactly a “media” event. How many other major league players would you characterize with “attitude” issues today…the only difference is he is not in the majors….see Bryce “that’s a clown question bro” Harper as a good example of “attitude”!
All the “attitude” issues have been mistakenly posted on this site and constantly denigrate a kid that just thinks he belongs in the bigs.
And as far as his defense, if you think it poor, then why or why would you try and trade him to a NL team?
Finally, yes I do believe you are entitled to your own opinion as am I!
hockeyjohn
My comment was if they do decide to trade Trevor Bauer to trade Bauer to the National League not Frazier. I do not want to make any AL team better,
As for the attitude problem , I have read in several sites so their is an issue. Fine, you can love Frazier. I personally hope that Cleveland does not trade for Frazier.
Thomas Walker
You don’t know anything about Frazier. You’ve read unsubstantiated rumors by hack writers. His teammates and coaches all said they have no problem with him last time this junk came up. You regurgitating it to try and sound smart, makes you sound stupid.
hockeyjohn
Why is it so many people resort to namecalling when people disagree with them? Just shows a lack of class.
SaberSmuckers
Melchez, why post something so unintelligent?
SaberSmuckers
Agreed, hockeyjohn, but in his case in addition to classless, he also doesn’t know the facts, seems unnecessarily angry and loves to use his “…” and “….”.
You are correct, he has attitude issues. When he had that bad defensive game against the Red Sox, instead of staying after the game to answer (as MLB requires) questions he took his ball and went home. But when he hits a HR he sticks around for questions.
This action was not made up by the “hack media”, it was substantiated and witnessed by all, none of it is “mistaken”. Anyone who follows the Yankees is aware of it.
Taking the full three days to report to his short-handed minor league team also shows he has learned nothing after his incident against the Red Sox. He should be demonstrating he gets it.
To a lesser extent he also immediately unfollowed most of the Yankees on Instagram as soon as he was demoted. If my teenage nephew did this I’d have a talk with him as to how immature this is.
Frazier has a great bat, there is no disputing this, but his defense needs help, and clearly his attitude as well.
Polish Hammer
The kid has made some poor decisions no doubt but the Yankees need to take ownership for his development, or lack thereof, as both a professional and a fielder. His fielding woes should’ve been dealt with in AA and AAA and his immaturity should have been dealt with with some veteran leadership. Instead I see the team distancing themselves from the kid and hanging him out.
bencole
Well said
Ketch
Frazier is a hype product. If the Yankees had faith in him, why did they trade for Encarnacion?
Magnum
Renfroe and Logan Allen.
Remms12
Such a solid offer, you really should be a GM
Magnum
Gracias
padam
He was being sarcastic…
scutchen
So was he.
Robertowannabe
Ok , that is a start. Who else you throwing in? Not even close to a deal yet.
Magnum
Bauer has stated that he will test free agency after 2020. Limits his value somewhat.
Robertowannabe
If it was just a rental for this you you have a point. Another full year plus a chance to negotiate an extension that he can’t refuse. Talking an elite pitcher here.
Polish Hammer
It’s not that he’ll test free agency, he’ll just re-up year to year which prices Cleveland out.
Show Me Your Tatis
@gozurman1 You are suggesting the Padres trade for Bauer then overpay him to stay. They don’t have to trade for him to be able to overpay him to stay.
Show Me Your Tatis
@Magnum Not really. As Tim Dierkes said in a live chat last week, when you trade for a player who is a free agent after 2020, you generally don’t bake in some sort of expectation that you will be able to keep him beyond 2020. The rest of Bauer’s 2019 season and his 2020 season are valuable enough.
jbigz12
Bro can you just bring back the old accounts? You can’t possibly be fooling anyone hopping on the same soapboxes. If your looking for camouflage this ain’t it.
jbigz12
You’re**
I’m pretty sure you have to use a different email to make a new account on this site anyway. You have to be running out of backup emails. Can’t possibly be worth it when you sound exactly the same every damn time.
Show Me Your Tatis
@jbigz12 And yet, you feel the need to try and derail a discussion about Trevor Bauer to that and COMPLETELY ignore Pads Fans/Koamalu doing the exact same thing you accuse me of. Why is that? Are you his “good cop” account?
Polish Hammer
Because it’s a discussion about the Indians. No need for Padres homers, and/or you with your multiple user IDs to derail every topic with your outrageous trade scenarios of what you no longer want in SD. Bottom line is Cleveland does not need to sell and I can 100% guarantee you all if hey did it would not bring a salary dump like Myers coming back nor headlined by minor league prospects but a major league player that will fill a hole at that level. They aren’t taking on salary or kids at this time, so no need to continue to float your ridiculous Yahoo Fantasy Baseball league deals.
Show Me Your Tatis
I’m not the one floating the ridiculous “Myers for Bauer” trade proposals. In fact, I haven’t floated any trade scenarios on this thread. What I have done is respond to ones that others have floated.
jbigz12
Why do you guys do it? Your go to is to blame Koamalu or someone else for doing it. Just because someone else has done it doesn’t make it any less pathetic that you feel the need to do it. Had you stuck with one account the whole time I’d have a lot more respect for that. Rather than a guy who tries to hide behind other accounts until he’s found out again. You like to speak your mind but then after a while you like to not deal with those consequences and try to hide behind another account.
Polish Hammer
Because he’s a coward…
Show Me Your Tatis
Again. Why don’t you go after Koamalu? You say “I don’t hate you like guys around here.” We both know that that is a lie. Otherwise you wouldn’t constantly try to derail the conversation to that any time I say something you don’t like. That contributes nothing to the discussion and is clearly intended only to be antagonistic, whether you want to admit it or not. And you would either go after both of Koamalu and myself or neither of us. Not just me. It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if you were his “good cop” account. PLEASE either target us equally, or go find something else to do. Thanks.
Show Me Your Tatis
@jbigs12 It looks like either you or the mods deleted your comment. This will be my last exchange on the matter.
If you aren’t Pads Fans/Koamalu then either go after him or leave me alone. At this point you are worse than cubsfan. At least he is upfront with his hate rather than hiding behind some nice guy facade.
Like I said, this thread is about Trevor Bauer. Not your preposterous Internet beef. If you don’t like what I said about the Padres not having to trade for Trevor Bauer to be able to overpay him, leave a reply telling me why I am wrong (or why you think I am wrong). You do not wanna get into the ad hominem attacks with me.
Have a nice night.
Show Me Your Tatis
No.
leftcoaster
For 1 year of Bauer. Surely you jest.
Jerryred
what could the rangers offer
sufferforsnakes
A lifetime supply of Whataburger?
Robertowannabe
Rachel Phelps would have done that deal in Spring Training to rid herself of a pitcher that could win games. Houston could match that offer and they would be battling over who has the better kolaches to add to each offer!
astromariner
I miss kolaches. And Whataburger.
snotrocket
Better throw in some Torchy’s tacos
padam
Done.
Dennid
I love Whataburger
agentp
Just like you like it.
joedirte4life
Maybe in the offseason but no contending team is going to trade front line starting pitching away during the season
Polish Hammer
You’re right; they’ve been playing very well and are in the thick of the race, no need to dump him today but perhaps once the season ends.
davidkaner
San Diego has one of most deepest & talented minor league system so if you can’t find high quality players in their system, you really should not be in professional baseball as a scout or in player development.
Polish Hammer
Again, their window is closing in Cleveland as I type this, they need to fill holes not prospects. Dealing from depth to fill mlb holes is the idea, not loading up AA so they can come up in 2 years when Lindor is gone.
Show Me Your Tatis
Trading Bauer away creates another hole. The only reason to trade him is if CLE is punting on 2019 and 2020.
Polish Hammer
Their pitching is deep. How else could they not only tread water but swim pretty good monies Kluber, Carrasco, Clevinger and the replacement Rodriguez? Bauer’s replacement is offset by the hole they could plug with the return.
Show Me Your Tatis
How deep really is their pitching? People said the same thing about the Padres’ bullpen when Brad Hand was traded and now their bullpen sucks this year.
iverbure
I’d argue the Indians window is closed right now. I would suggest them try and thread the needle and deal Bauer since they didn’t trade Kluber in the winter like I suggested. Will this be difficult? Yes but it’s a reality smaller markets have. If I’m the Indians I want a lot more than Renfroe.
Indiansjoe
How is the window closed? They are the second wild card, they made up tremendously ground on the division, Ramirez is starting to hit, and they are getting better pitchers back than available on the trade market. Possibly 3 of them.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Seems like a great target for Philly too.
Jerryred
could willie Calhoun and hans crouse plus a few more propects be enough
hockeyjohn
No
bencole
I think so. Calhoun can rake
Captain Dunsel
To Philly for Franco, Velasquez, AAA starter of their choice (Suarez, Irvin, Eickhoff, De Los Santos) and Herrera.
hockeyjohn
No – Nothing exciting in this offer. This does not make Cleveland better.
BigFred
Nobody’s giving up anything for the Phillies garbage.
bencole
Yeah they’re not trading Bauer for Philly’s spare parts
woolzy
I feel like the cubs could send schwarber and a decent prospect to Cleveland for Bauer
hockeyjohn
Wrong – Many teams could beat that offer.
bencole
I don’t feel like that’s way out of whack, but someone will probably beat it. In fairness though, someone could beat every offer that’s accepted, I don’t know that that’s telling.
Polish Hammer
Jake Bauers maybe just not Trevor Bauer.
KF
Headphones and air guitar? What?
yanksallday
The stated refusal to entertain a long-term deal will diminish the return Cleveland can expect to an extent.
Show Me Your Tatis
Not really. As Tim Dierkes said in a live chat last week, when you trade for a player who is a free agent after 2020, you generally don’t bake in some sort of expectation that you will be able to keep him beyond 2020. The rest of Bauer’s 2019 season and his 2020 season are valuable enough.
bencole
Yeah no one pays for the possibility of an extension.
Polish Hammer
Actually they do. And if they get him this year they can extend the QO next year and reap those rewards, so there is certainly value there.
Show Me Your Tatis
If they do then they need to be fired
Polish Hammer
Me and my shadow….go away kid, go ruin some other discussion with your nonsense.
Show Me Your Tatis
“Go away kid”
Umm, excuse me?
bencole
Not for the “possibility” of one. They pay for knowing they can get it done.
Show Me Your Tatis
@bencole yeah, like the Reds did with Sonny Gray, where if they aren’t able to come to terms on an extension, the trade falls through entirely
bencole
Yeah like Gray… but that’s rare.
jb19
I have a hard time believing the FO will make a trade at this point in the season being in the position they are in. They need offense in the worst way though.
hockeyjohn
Cleveland is 22 – 9 since June 1st. Seems if they are doing better offensively..
I hope that they keep Trevor for 2019.
lfrient1
A month ago, I thought Bauer would be traded. Now I don’t think so. It could happen only if the Tribe is overwhelmed by the other team’s offer.The good thing about the elimination of the August 31st trade deadline is that by August 1st, we will know.
There are some exciting and very influential trades and decisions not to trade in the next few weeks. Not just for the Cleveland Indians, but also for many teams. This will be fun to watch!
Dennid
What would you accept from the Dodgers for Bauer?
solaris602
Bauer for Joc Pedersen would be a fair trade, but CLE would ask for Verdugo instead which isn’t happening.
hockeyjohn
Bauer is more valuable than Joc. It would have to be Joc plus.
I don’t think Bauer is going to be traded this season.
Polish Hammer
Definitely.
baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/
Ketch
Joc plus Gavin Lux?
hockeyjohn
Joc is also a left handed hitter that is weak against lefties. That is not what the Indians need to get if they trade Trevor Bauer.
IndiansSpy
Love to have Lux and a bag of peanuts
bencole
Joc Pederson is basically a platoon player.
lm1330
lol
MLBFANNZ
Bauer For Joc Pederson And Kiki Hernandez, Dodgers would Do That In A heartbeat, And Fills Cleveland’s weakness Kiki Can play multiple positions provides pop, And Joc In outfield
Nuke LaLoosh
verdugo or pederson
101reklaw
A deal for Bauer would almost have to be made with a contender in the NL, like the Dodgers, Padres, Cubs etc. Why trade with your competition for a playoff spot? And get a legitimate ML hitter in return. Pederson, Renfroe, Schwarber-like talent. Indians are a cleanup hitter away from catching the Twins.
jbigz12
The magic wore off Zach Plesac….The Indians aren’t going to catch the Twins without Trevor Bauer. You can’t take him and cookie out of that rotation and tell me they’re serious contenders. If they want to scrap this year, then sure. But id trade him for Kyle Tucker from Houston. That’s what they need and Bauer can walk after next season. It’d be best to further weaken a contender down the line.
padam
Astros are interesting. They have players to trade, and Cole played with Bauer at UCLA. Could entice them to stay in Houston.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Cole and Bauer don’t like eachother tho…
OnlyRaysFan
Even if you ignore the fact they don’t like each other, Cole won’t even be on the team when Bauer is a FA lol. Plus there’s that whole Bregman feud and him calling out the Astros multiple times
a-a-a-astros
Keep Tyler Get Stroman
Polish Hammer
Stroman is severely overrated.
bigo-show
Bauer to the Astros for Kyle Tucker and Derek Fisher
FAILvyHasToGo
Agreed. The Astros have the prospects and starting with Tucker is the key. Add in a AA level pitching prospect and you probably have a deal
IndiansSpy
Indians don’t need anymore LH OF. they have like 7 of them. and Derek Fisher is trash. No thanks .Next
Polish Hammer
And they’re trading to a team they have to go through in the playoffs.
Polish Hammer
NOT trading to…
Indiansjoe
They would if they overpaid, there is deals that could get done. That said it wouldn’t make sense and I can’t see the Astros doing it, but if they were desperate enough to do tucker and Whitley I don’t see how Cleveland could say no.
OrangeCrushCity
Tucker and Whitley? No way. You’d get one but no chance on both. I see very little chance of the Astros trading Whitley in any scenario, but I think Tucker and a pitcher like Valdez is a possibility.
bencole
There’s absolutely zero chance you could get both. My god that’s insane. One is a stretch, but if it were Tucker maybe the Astros pull the trigger with that OF depth. It’s an overpay probably but an area of depth for the Astros.
bencole
Sure, this would be easily the best deal on the table too.
bencole
Meaning Tucker and Valdez
Strosfn79
The Astros outfield depth is a charade. Great for 2019 and 2020 but their top 4 outfielders will all be free agents after next season.
Because of this, they can not trade Kyle Tucker.
That means that Houston is not a good match for this deal.
That means that all Houston can offer are players that Cleveland would laugh at, players that would not help immediately, or both.
Show Me Your Tatis
Either use Tucker or trade him. Period.
Strosfn79
Tucker will be the starting RF in 2021.
The problem is he needs to be the starting RF in 2020.
Reddick is blocking him, and despite him being a league average player, his clubhouse presence and experience is keeping Tucker in the minors.
Reddick needs to be traded.
Maybe he can help Cleveland as a not-terrible throw in ?
FAILvyHasToGo
Fine put Whitley and Reddick in the trade for Bauer. I don’t think the Indians take it
OrangeCrushCity
Zero chance of that. Tucker hasn’t shown anything to make anyone think he’s ready to take over for Reddick on a World Series caliber team.
IndiansSpy
Indians fan here… Safe to say Bauer won’t be traded this season. Uncertainty surrounding Kluber and Carrasco pretty much ruined any chance of trading him.
IndiansSpy
People who keep mentioning SD, Renfroe would not be the target, Reyes would be, he projects much better in Progressive Field. Maybe Reyes and their top pitching prospect. Dodgers I’d target Gavin Lux and the main piece .
MC77
The Pads top pitching prospect is Mackenzie Gore, he won’t be available. Luis Patino is their 2nd ranked pitching prospect and third overall. He may be too much of an ask as well. To get a deal done with the Pads, the pitching prospect may have to be Morejon or Baez.
IndiansSpy
Okay Reyes and Luis Urias for Bauer/Naquin and Cimber
Polish Hammer
Every trade thread gets ruined by the absolutely ridiculous trade scenarios from the Padres homers. You have nothing Cleveland wants, so time to move along…
padam
Not a fan of either team, but not sure you can say the Padres don’t have what the Indians need when they have the top system and their top ten prospects are all in the top 100 overall, not including the youth they’ve just called up. If there’s a team to deal with for prospects, it’s the Padres.
Show Me Your Tatis
Actually, it’s only top 8 right now. Naylor and Quantrill graduated. C.J. Abrams will make it 9 once they add the draft prospects to the list tho.
MC77
Bauer and Cole don’t like each other, though I don’t think that factors in to any trade. If Cleveland moves Bauer, it will be to a N.L. team. The Phillies, Medina and Haseley? The Padres for Renfroe and Luis Patino (Patino may be too much). The Cardinals for Jose Martinez and Dylan Carlson? Maybe I am too optimistic about a potential return, but I think they will be looking for a MLB hitter and a quality prospect. Without getting a strong package, there isn’t any incentive for the Tribe to move him in season.
Show Me Your Tatis
Patiño is going to be an ace and fits the Padres’ window better than Bauer. Renfroe’s WAR this year is 0.1 below Bauer’s and he is controlled 3 years longer. Why would SD do that?
IndiansSpy
Reyes or bust
hockeyjohn
You do it because Starting Pitching is more valuable than outfielders. Why is it that there are many teams looking for starting pitching yet few are looking for outfielders. Why have the Padres and Braves loaded up on starting pitching prospects? They know how valuable they are. Padres don’t want to pay the price. That is fine. I am sure between the Dodgers, Brewers, Phillies, Braves, Astros, Red Sox, Yankees, Oakland and others will.
With that said, I think a Bauer trade will happen in the off season, unless the trade makes the Indians better in 2019, as well as, beyond.
Show Me Your Tatis
Four years of control are also more valuable than one.
Polish Hammer
Just go away already, go pollute some other thread with your ridiculous trade scenarios.
Indiansjoe
4 years is only more valuable if the players are equal…they are not. 1.5 of Trevor >4 of renfroe. If all the Padres prospects are untouchable and so much more valuable, why are their fans trying to get everyone else’s players? Just call up these studs of wait for them.
Show Me Your Tatis
@Indiansjoe fWAR says Bauer and Renfroe ARE about equal on a right-now basis. Then when you throw in Renfroe being controlled 3 years longer, it isn’t a competition. Renfroe isn’t some prospect who MIGHT help a team a few years down the road. He is an established Major League outfielder who WILL help a team now.
bencole
Yeah but he doesn’t have the same kind of track record. Renfroe has basically been between terrible and average his whole career before this… are we really forgetting this??
Show Me Your Tatis
If that’s the game you want to play, 2018 is Trevor Bauer’s only truly great year. And this year and last are his only years where he’s even been better than just OK.
bencole
And Renfroe was terrible. And doesn’t get on base.
Show Me Your Tatis
He was never “terrible” and certainly isn’t now. The Padres don’t want or need to move him.
MC77
You responded with a fair question. As I said, Patino may be too much of an ask. The season Renfroe is having this year is better than his track record. He already has a new career high in HRS, but still isn’t getting on base. I don’t think he is a very good defender either. That should be taken into consideration for a trade. I don’t believe Renfroe will bring back a #1 or #2 starter by himself, but maybe I am wrong.
Show Me Your Tatis
Renfroe’s defense has improved by leaps and bounds this year. And he has hit better every year since coming up. You are right that he won’t bring back a #1 or #2 starter in a trade because he won’t BE traded. That would be robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Indiansjoe
But you think Cleveland should do the same thing in a better position to make the playoffs?
Show Me Your Tatis
Actually no I don’t. The fact that a Bauer trade is being discussed baffles me. They are supposedly trying to make the playoffs. I don’t feel like Trevor Bauer is a guy you trade if you are actively trying to make the playoffs, regardless of how cheap your owners are.
bencole
No, he’s not gonna get you a #1 or #2 because he’s not worth it. A GM would laugh at that.
Show Me Your Tatis
Then we will keep him.
bencole
You’ll have to at asking for that, no one will even approach it.
Show Me Your Tatis
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
IndiansSpy
Okay Reyes and Luis Urias for Bauer/Naquin and Cimber. Final offer or I’m taking my toys home.
Show Me Your Tatis
*click*
IndiansSpy
Fine lose my number. BTW I love how we scammed you for Hand.. Chew on that. *Click*
Ketch
Who still uses a phone that clicks?
Polish Hammer
Somebody that lives in their mothers basement.
Show Me Your Tatis
Cute
leftcoaster
Seems Cleveland fans don’t quite grasp the importance of controllability. 1 year of Bauer has very limited trade value.
IndiansSpy
and 3 years as more than 2 but you rarely see a team trading 3 years or even 2.. Unless your SD and totally whiff a catching prospect who can’t catch or hit.. BTW we understand importance of control. We can just keep Trevor for 2 more playoff runs and let him walk as well.. We are in control…
lsujedi
Bauer is a d*ick. And basically accused the Astros of cheating/using magic to make pitchers better. No thanks. No need to compromise our locker room with his noise. I’m hoping the Astros “interest” is smoke to distract the other contenders.
Give me Thor. You can have Tucker, JB, and Rojas.
Indiansjoe
Lol, not magic…pine tar. See Trevor this is why you can’t use sarcasm in today’s world. Some people are just to dumb to get it
lsujedi
Didn’t know the Astros were the first team to think of using pine tar. Maybe their pine year is more magic-er than other teams’ pine tar. News flash: every single professional baseball player uses pine tar. It’s part of the game.
And learn how two properly use the word “too”, or are you to dumb for too do that?
Indiansjoe
No one said they were first, not even Trevor. And I don’t care if the grammar police are out….just shows how salty you are that you know I’m right:)
lsujedi
Calling someone dumb while failing to use proper English… Kind of asking for it.
Trevor’s pretty salty himself. Add it to the list of reasons he’s wrong for the Astros or any contender.
Polish Hammer
So what if Bauer is a d*ck, so is Verlander and somehow he assimilated onto that locker room. Verlander has whined his whole career about stealing signs and now the juiced ball yet Bauer is a jerk for properly identifying the Astros pitchers as cheaters? BYW, he used the ‘stros technique for slim rate and pitched an inning to see the differenyit made, it was substantial; imagine going every inning with it. Oh, Verlander has which is how and why he’s had a resurgence this late in his career.
jdgoat
They’re cheaters? I guess by definition. But so are id guess at least 90% of pitchers today. Please tell me a team that doesn’t use foreign substances?
slider32
The rentals will get traded at the deadline for sure, but the others can be traded in the winter if they don’t get what they want. There is a site called trade values that I like, you can match up players according to their values and trade them. It gives good incite on the value of each player. Yanks could offer Garcia and Frazier for Bauer.
believeland
An ace level pitcher controllable for a year and a half will return a lot. Likely a Young ML outfielder, plus 1-2 top prospects and a throw in (hopefully a minor league lefty reliever).
He’ll cost a lot more than you’re willing to give up as the best pitcher available.
rochak
All the talk of Bauer for Frazier amuses me. The rumor in the Indians’ world is that Frazier was a distraction in the clubhouse, and that the Tribe was not unhappy to see him go. Perhaps he has matured some since then…..
Polish Hammer
So you were in the Indians dugout? The kid was dealt when he was 21 and still in the minors.
rochak
My job allowed me to observe Frazier in practice frequently and to talk with scouts. I hope he has matured.
gson
The premise of trading Bauer starts and ends with being overwhelmed. If the Indians do not get that OF stud who changes/lengthens the lineup in a Bauer deal, the Indians simply hang onto him for the foreseeable future.
The need for the lineup changer doesn’t end.. it’s acquired in another way..
Example: the Reds are showing they are not going to be ready to compete THIS season.. They have Yasiel Puig, a RHH OF’er who is a pure 2=3 month rental. He wouldn’t require a return as expensive as Trevor Bauer.. The Reds have a need for a young SP, that is.. someone who is not entering into a contract year.. The Indians can offer several prospects in this area..
That would be the most likely route this Indians FO would pursue..
Note: All the character crapola about how Bauer is this.. or doesn’t like that. or whatever other verbal diarrhea being bandied about.. just weakens the arguments.. Look at the team he’s on and listen to what’s being written about him about how he stands by his teammates and their love and respect for him.. The media “reporting’ is just colored bubbles..
Thoughts?..
its_happening
I think the media believes he is fascinating and, in my opinion, is discussed favorably by the media. This means (probably), they love what Bauer says off the record and have bought in.
Here’s the deal; Cleveland needs to figure out two things…1) Can they beat everyone in the AL in October, 2) Are you in or are you out.
People think the window is closing because the Indians refuse to keep it open. Add to the fact they have been the big fish in a small pond for a while they get exposed. They haven’t been the same since the shell shocking of the 2017 NLDS against the Yankees. The Indians have left more to be desired and they’re blowing it. Trade Bauer and start the reset if you aren’t prepare to win, Cleveland.
scutchen
In Lindbergh & Sawchik’s book The MVP Machine, Baur is the poster child for developing a great player from limited athleticism rather than only expecting it as an inherent trait. Self-built. And that’s what the Astros do. It’s not Moneyball, i.e., finding great hidden talent on the cheap. It’s Player Development, building better players.
He’s approached pitching this way since he was 10. Very cutting edge developmental stuff. Quit HS baseball after his junior year and enrolled at UCLA early because his HS coach and teammates were such assholes about his methods, even though he was far and away their best player.
He was traded by Arizona to Cleveland because he wouldn’t conform to AZ coach’s old school methods. Cleveland followed him around in the off season, learned why he did what he did, and embraced him. A MLB star was born.
So dood is obsessive, follows his own routines, and doesn’t mix a lot in the clubhouse. But he’s a pure Astros-type development and methods guy, and he wants to win.
I think our clubhouse can fit him in. If we can integrate Gomez, we can integrate Baur.
lsujedi
Yeah, except Gomez didn’t exactly work out did he? Probably Luhnow’s greatest regret behind Mark Appel.
scutchen
That’s exactly my point. As bad as Gomez was, especially combining ineptitude with arrogance, he could have been a poison in the clubhouse. But our clubhouse could handle that.
tomyo10
Bauer and Brent Strom (Astros pitching coach) have known each other for a long time. But I can’t see them trading him to an AL Club unless they completely fall out of it by end of the month
debubba
Think the Astros would give up Alvarez or Tucker and Whitney for him?
debubba
Sorry, Whitley.
bencole
Nope. Maybe Tucker by himself, that may still be a nick soft