Trevor Bauer’s name has continued to be kicked around the rumor mill even as the Indians have narrowed the gap with the division-leading Twins. Zack Meisel of The Athletic chatted with Cleveland GM Mike Chernoff this week (subscription required) about the possibility of a Bauer trade and the delicate balance of trying to win in 2019 while also maintaining a competitive long-term core.
Chernoff spoke frequently about the “future sustainability” of Cleveland’s competitiveness, and while he understandably didn’t make any direct mention of Bauer’s availability (or lack thereof), the GM implied that the club will have to make some tough decisions.
“I also think we’re at a different point organizationally, like we were in the offseason, where a lot more of our guys are maturing on their contracts and so, regardless of our competitive position, you explore different things than you otherwise would have,” said Chernoff. (Cleveland, of course, cut substantial payroll this past offseason and reportedly even discussed moving Bauer and Corey Kluber over the winter.) Chernoff went on to acknowledge the need for “creative” ways to help the organization and a possible “continuation of the offseason plan.”
None of that is a declaration that Bauer will be traded to the highest bidder, but it also doesn’t sound as if such a move is expressly being ruled out. The Indians recently welcomed Mike Clevinger back from the injured list, and they’ve received strong work from sophomore Shane Bieber as well. Rookie Zach Plesac has been a pleasant surprise, too, although fielding-independent metrics suggest that he’s unlikely to sustain his solid ERA.
Beyond Bauer and that trio, Cleveland’s options have been questionable. Adam Plutko and Jefry Rodriguez have pitched poorly. Carlos Carrasco was diagnosed with a treatable form of leukemia, and while his prognosis is thankfully positive, there’s no telling when or if he’ll return in 2019. As such, Bauer is functioning as a vital member of the Cleveland rotation at present, and dealing him away would thin out a rotation that is already shaky after its top few spots.
That said, the Indians could soon welcome a two-time Cy Young winner back into the fold. Manager Terry Francona told reporters today that Kluber will throw a 20-pitch bullpen session tomorrow — his first since sustaining a fractured right forearm upon being struck by a comebacker earlier this season (Twitter link via Ryan Lewis of the Akron Beacon-Journal). Kluber will be limited to all fastballs and will have some extra rest baked in between his first few ’pen sessions, but it’s a decidedly encouraging update for the Indians and their fans.
What isn’t clear and may not become clear until the final hours leading up to the deadline is whether the potential return of Kluber will make Cleveland more willing to part with Bauer or more aggressive in pursuing a division title. The Indians dropped two of three games to the Twins over the weekend, failing to further close the gap between the two teams. Chernoff, though, pointed out to Meisel that his club still has 10 more meetings with the Twins in 2019 — albeit none before July 31. The play of both AL Central clubs over the next two weeks could go a long way in determining Cleveland’s approach as well.
For those still befuddled at the notion of trading Bauer at all when Cleveland is viable postseason contender, the decision seems to boil down to a long-term dilemma. Bauer’s salary is already at $13MM in 2019 and will rise to $18-20MM via arbitration this offseason. He’ll be a free agent after the 2020 campaign and has been open about his plans to play out his career on a series of one-year deals. In other words: he’s expensive, and the Indians have no hope of extending him.
If Cleveland had a wide-open payroll outlook, that might not be a major issue. However, Cleveland ownership seemingly mandated some offseason payroll deductions last winter, prompting the front office to work to get the club’s financial obligations down to the current ~$125MM level. The Indians only have about $48.4MM in guaranteed salary on next year’s books, but that number will balloon quickly with the current roster construction. Kluber’s $17.5MM option figures to be exercised, and Francisco Lindor will see a massive raise to this year’s $10.55MM salary. Add in Bauer’s raise, Clevinger’s first-year arbitration salary and a swath of pre-arb deals, and Cleveland will already be approaching this year’s payroll numbers despite the fact that they’re on pace for an attendance drop.
Trading Bauer would be a painful move for Chernoff and president of baseball operations Chris Antonetti to make, but not one that would be tantamount to forfeiting the season. Cleveland could possibly add a young, MLB-ready piece in that deal and could also turn to the rental market to add a more affordable arm to help patch the hole left by Bauer. That’s just one very hypothetical scenario, of course, but that type of scenario is precisely the kind of “creative” roster juggling the Indians will have to consider in the coming weeks — regardless of eventual outcome.
yanksallday
I suppose I’ll be the Yanks fan to suggest that the Yanks happen to have a young, MLB-ready piece that wears custom cleats and goes by the name FRAZIERRRR…
Bring on the bashing…
todd76
Won’t be enough. Going to take a lot more than just Frazier.
Indiansjoe
If Cleveland traded him as part of a package for a reliever, the second piece in the package, why would they accept him as the deal for a top of rotation starter? If Cleveland wanted Frazier, Zimmer would be a Yankee. They don’t value him.
Cuso
Well, genius, it happens to be over three years later and has proven to be an MLB-ready bat. Maybe that’s why?
But then, you weren’t being serious, were you?
Indiansjoe
Proven when? For one month? Please stop with the ridiculous over valuing him. No one thinks he is proven or valuable…if they did he would of replaced Stanton when he went back to the IL. Just stop!
driftcat28 2
Indiansjoe is right, Frazier is a terrible player who no one would ever want. Worst player in MLB history actually. The Long Island Ducks wouldn’t even want him.
*this was sarcasm for those not sure*
Show Me Your Tatis
Frazier was the headliner in the Miller trade.
jbigz12
Yeah, there’s no debate on that. Frazier was a consensus top 25 prospect in baseball at the time of his trade. Justus Sheffield was a fringe top 100 guy at that point.
hockeyjohn
Frazier is currently batting .230 in Triple A. Boy, that is impressive.
depressedtribefan
yeah ok, but he was batting .280 in the bigs this year with 11 home runs. he shouldn’t even be in triple A right now.
yankeetbv1
Correct, he didn’t take his demotion well, which takes some points away, for weak psychological/ emotional makeup. He can hit, but he is not a good fielder, so he was demoted, now that demotion has affected his demeanor and his overall game has suffered. HE NEEDS TO JUST WORK ON HIS DAMN DEFENSE AND STAY FOCUSED. THAT WOULD RAISE HIM TO BLUE CHIP STAUS.
kanersen
No one’s going to accept Frazier as the headliner of anything but a rental. Yankees fans need to accept that and actually suggest proposals involving Garcia for someone like Bauer instead of of their 4th-5th outfielder who Cashman didn’t even trust to have up to DH (instead getting EE) when hitting his most valuable tool.
Erie4312
Inciarte to Clevland? Theiroutfield is struggling
RunDMC
Who is coming back? Not Bauer/Kluber. Would love a package for Hand or Cimber.
Erie4312
Maybe Inciarte and Luke Jackson and a pitching prospect
Clevland is thinking about contending so give them another bullpen piece (i think jackson would thrive in a setup role) as well as having a gold glove speedy OFer who is a better second half hitter and had a 200 hit season on 2017. They also get a prospect because they are also thinking about the future
Indiansjoe
They aren’t interested in inciarte at all. They have Mercado, Zimmer when he gets healthy and Daniel Johnson,,,,they need corner outfield that is middle of the order bat
hockeyjohn
Cleveland has a young center fielder named Oscar Mercado so their is no need for Inciarte. I doubt that the Indians trade Brad Hand unless the deal made them better in 2019 and beyond. This deal does not do that at all.
sportsnut969
if Hand is dealt I would bet he goes to the Dodger in a deal headlined by Lux who could step in and fill Kipnis shoes who will be gone after this year.
you could see a prospect catcher like Ruiz as part of the deal who would be AAA ready and could fill in for Haase when he gets his shot in the majors next year.
Bocephus
Wrong guy, Lux is off limits!!!
hockeyjohn
The Indians outfield has been doing better than Inciarte. Inciarte is the one that is struggling. Sorry, no need for Inciarte.
playicy
The Indians need consistency at the plate and defensively too
Bocephus
The number of Braves fans that offer up this guy outnumber the amount of Yankees fans insisting on hanging onto Frazier. Than there’s the whole amount of Teheran trade proposals every year.
RunDMC
No mention of Danny Salazar?
sufferforsnakes
3 innings at AA Akron tonight. Meh, so-so results. Not bad, but not great.
But at least he’s pitching somewhere other than Goodyear, AZ.
sportsnut969
it’s progress just happy to see him not having setbacks to this point.
if the Indians were to move Brad Hand if they were blown away wIth a offer could they go with Salazar as the first shot to close ??
CKinSTL
Every time Danny Salazar touches a baseball without his arm falling off is a success.
jorge78
Aren’t they owned by a BILLIONAIRE?
bestno5
He is also the cousin to the Knicks owner…..
astrosfan4life
Doesn’t matter how much money the owner has, there is still a luxury tax penalty on spending.
Indiansjoe
It’s not like they would ever come close to luxury tax. The point he is making is the owner can afford to spend. The family purchased the team and it has grown in value by atleast 1.5 billion since he purchased it. Then he cries he can’t afford to spend, and makes up ridiculous stories about how he had to fly coach to spring training. I used to go back to Cleveland a couple times a year for weekend series, but not this year, and never again….not until the owner isn’t named Dolan
Polish Hammer
That value will only matter if/when they sell. Until then he shouldn’t have to lose millions every season by not following a strict budget.
CKinSTL
Contrary to popular belief.. rich people don’t become rich by running unprofitable businesses. Given that they are a mid-market team, it seems reasonable that they would require a team salary that is around league average to be sustainable.
Indiansjoe
As proven with the previous owner and his 455 consecutive sell outs….if you prove you are trying and put the product out there they will come to the park. Maybe not the extent of the 90s, but closer than now. He is a worthless human being period!! Dolan should cash out and sell the team.
CKinSTL
They have had six consecutive winning seasons (on their way to a 7th), they have won the division three years in a row.. they have signed Kluber, Cookie, and Jose Ramirez to long term deals. They have brought in some big names like Encarnacion, Miller, and Hand. And where do they stand at attendance?
You say put a winning product on the field and people will come. OK. The winning product is out there. That really isn’t a matter of debate. When are those fans going to show up?
This isn’t necessarily pointed at you.. but there are so many people that trash ownership, no matter what. Heck, some people call the Yankees and Red Sox owners cheap! People love to tell baseball clubs how to spend their money.. and they are almost never spending enough. But then they gripe about high ticket prices, ha.
astrosfan4life
I was at the rain delayed game last night and it was nearly sold out from what I saw. Ticket prices are high, but that’s one of the best baseball stadiums I’ve visited (been to over a dozen). Good food, good beer, good baseball fans.
Vizionaire
angels are steamrolling over the astros! bunch of nobodies perform like all stars!
CKinSTL
Official attendance.. 15,000.
But I agree on everything else (especially the beer, with Great Lakes Brewing Co).
astrosfan4life
The only section that wasn’t full was the upper deck. Can’t believe it was only 15,000.
MC77
Great Lakes is ok, but not better than Brew Kettle, Fat Head, or Hoppin Frog.
CKinSTL
^ blasphemy! Moderators need to step in!
themaven
Attendance at that game was 16,769,less than 50% of capacity so no where near sold out.
themaven
Tribe has the best record in the American league over the last five seasons and have drawn over 2 million in just one of those seasons.
It’s time for Cleveland fans to look in the mirror.
Vizionaire
bauer for calhoun. as any baseball fan knows angels need starting pitching and the indians need an excellent fielding outfielder. angels add a mid-level prospect and indians add $5 mil for ’20.
twinsfan368
I’m sorry dude but the Indians would never want to speak to the angels front office again if they proposed that trade
astrosfan4life
That’s the second time in a week that someone has made that absurd proposal. Bauer is having an off-year for his standards, but he will still bring in a nice haul via trade. Calhoun wouldn’t bring back the Orioles 5th starter in trade.
astrosfan4life
Astros should offer a package with Tucker being the headliner. He’d immediately start in left or right for the Tribe and the Astros have a deep enough farm to offer an additional solid prospect to pair with him.
Indiansjoe
I would love for Houston to make a package around tucker. And I think Bauer would love Houston’s science behind pitching….he may like it enough to stay a year or 2 afterwards on 1 year deals
astrosfan4life
The only issue is that he and Cole are rumored to not care for each other, so that could ruin any chance Houston has of resigning Cole.
Or maybe they agree to play nice and just avoid each other and both teams are better off because of the trade.
Indiansjoe
I think cole is gone after the season any way. They just want to buy 1 more year for Whitley to be ready. They aren’t going to outbid for cole when they have to figure out how to pay springer, Bergman and Correa
STL27
I just can’t imagine the Indians would really trade inside the AL- especially against a team they might see in a best of 5.
Indiansjoe
This I agree with, I don’t believe they will really trade him until the off season. And if traded in the AL now would require a serious over pay….but Tucker plus would have to be considered
astrosfan4life
Cole is highly likely to be gone, that is true. Bregman already has a long term deal, and I am not sure Correa will get one in Houston given that he is far too injury-prone thus far.
Vizionaire
team option with buyout. check for facts once in a while!
sportsnut969
if the Astro’s contacted the Indians offering Tucker as the key piece for Bauer I believe it would not take long for the two sides to agree on the rest of the package.
Vizionaire
currently it is 2.0 war vs. 2.1 war. besides, $18 mil+ in ’20 for bauer? can indians afford him? no!
66TheNumberOfTheBest
A quick look at their BR pages shows that Kole Calhoun isn’t as good as Corey Dickerson. Corey Dickerson was traded for Daniel Hudson. I’m guessing you’re not getting Bauer with that offer.
angelsfan4life
Calhoun, Marsh, Barria, Suarez and Jeremiah Jackson. I’m not saying that the Indians would say yes. But if you don’t think the Indians GM would consider that trade, you are crazy.
hockeyjohn
Cleveland is looking for controllable MLB ready hitting in a trade for Trevor Bauer that will help them in 2019 and 2020.. Calhoun is not controllable and is no better than what they have and the other two prospects likely won’t be ready until 2021 or later so I don’t see the Indians considering it.
angelsfan4life
Marsh is projected to be ready next season. He is hitting over .300 in double A. Barria should be in the majors now, idk why the Angels are not using him. Suarez needs some more time, to learn control. Jackson is the only one I mentioned, not close to ready. As for Calhoun, he hits better on the road than at home. And has a buyout option for next season.
Vizionaire
that is if they have given up on this season. kole has a team option!
jbigz12
And most teams aren’t handing out controllable outfielders because they need them. The padres could but their timeline doesn’t really fit Bauer’s control. And he absolutely will not discuss an extension.
hockeyjohn
Marsh does not have a lot of pop in his bat with only 2 home runs this year. Calhoun is not worth 14 million so he would be gone next year so that does not help either. How does that help the Indians in 2019 and 2020. It doesn’t. If Cleveland doesn’t get something that can help this year and beyond, they will just keep him and trade him in the off season,
Indiansjoe
I don’t think they would consider any deal with the angels that doesn’t involve Adell.
Vizionaire
if we were to deal him we wouldn’t trade for a pitcher who had only one great season. look at his value!
astrosfan4life
Their GM wouldn’t consider it. Bauer is an annual Cy Young candidate and won’t be traded for anything short of a top 10 prospect. Fans always overvalue their team’s prospects, and that’s ok. However, just because your proposal has several minor league guys mentioned along with a marginal guy on the big league roster doesn’t mean it’s a strong offer.
Cleveland would swap Bauer for Kyle Tucker straight up over your proposed deal.
Vizionaire
he was a top 10 cy candidate only once. he never pitched 200 innings in a season and is going to get close to $20 mil in ’20. people are really over-valuing him!
Bocephus
Calhoun is GARBAGE!
Vizionaire
dickerson’s value? 0.1 war. lmao!
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Did you just cherry pick a guy who has been hurt all season’s WAR?
Career numbers, Dickerson a has higher BA, OBP, SLG and a career OPS+ of 117 vs. Calhoun’s almost league average 105.
Calhoun would be a throw in to a Bauer deal, not a centerpiece.
Vizionaire
yeah, dickerson has an injury history!
astrosfan4life
You really gotta stop feeding the troll!.
Vizionaire
classless astros and its fans! lucky it was not suspended when it cheated on cards!
jorge78
Gee, I wonder why attendance is dropping?
SecsSeksSecks
What kind of AAV does everyone think Bauer might get if he is good down the stretch and has a strong year next season (supposing he does actually stick to his guns and plays on 1-year contracts the rest of his career)?
astrosfan4life
On a one year deal coming off of a solid season, he’d secure probably $20-25M. Higher AAV on shorter term when it comes to pitchers.
Erie4312
What team likes to give out 1 year deals? (ATL)
Indiansjoe
All teams would love to. You pay if your gonna contend and you aren’t stuck with a bad contract if it goes bad or hurt
astrosfan4life
Bauer stated upon reaching free agency he plans to go on one year deals instead of a long term deal. So any team wanting him will have to accept that he will only sign for a year.
Honestly, I think any contending team would love to do the deal for only a year. It lowers their monetary risk considerably for injury or underperformance.
yogineely
The lakers
Vizionaire
no cap room. funny they have only 2 players and bunch of nobodys.
advplee
People have complained about the Braves spending, but ours has made sense. And we have room to make moves at the deadline. Indians are just cheap.
downsr30
Trading Bauer to the Dodgers for Verdugo and Dustin May would make a lot of sense. Dodgers fans will say “No way!” But if you want to acquire someone like Bauer, what you give up is going to hurt a little.
Indiansjoe
I wouldn’t if I was the dodgers either
playicy
I think the Indians will want more for the number one pitcher
Indiansjoe
Not gonna get verdugo and a guy ranked in the top 10 of the new top 100 prospects. I love Trevor, and defend him on these boards, but if the dodgers offered that I would take the deal faster than billy Hamilton can run to first
downsr30
So fans from both sides think it’s a great deal for them. SOLD!
sportsnut969
there is no way I see the Dodgers trading a piece off their 25 man roster.
prospects yes Lux + one of May , Ruiz and a 3rd player lime DJ Peters or Christian Santana is most likely what a package for either Bauer or Hand would look like Imo
with Hand it may take another guy fringe type prospect due the team friendly type long term contract Hand is signed to.
sufferforsnakes
Geez, Dick Jacobs bought the team, built a beautiful new ballpark, spent money on good players, the team became a winner, and fans came like crazy….455 consecutive sellouts.
Dolan needs to stop with the excuses, and look back at history.
Questionable_Source
Aren’t they in the postseason every year? Their record is 52-40 this season. Where is all this losing your talking about? If you wanna talk about a poorly run organization, take a look at the Phillies.
sufferforsnakes
Uh, and just where did I mention losing? Reading comprehension is fundamental, seeing things that don’t exist is not.
themaven
Tribe has the best record in the American league over the last five seasons and have drawn over 2 million in just one of those seasons.
It’s time for Cleveland fans to look in the mirror.
Dolan spent big after 2016 and the fans responded by staying home.The conclusion that fits the facts is it’s the fans who are cheap not the owner.
If they draw 500,000 more in 2018 Brantley is still in Cleveland.
CKinSTL
The team has good players. The team is winning. Where are the fans?
hockeyjohn
Dick Jacobs did not build the stadium. He just bought the naming rights.
Jminor1205
I don’t think it’s fair to compare the teams of the 90s to now. One of the biggest reasons the team sold out 455 straight games is because the Browns were gone at that time. Couple that with a yearly WS contender each year and it’s not surprising. The game has changed so drastically since then as well, and the average person doesn’t have the disposable income that they did then. I love the Indians and always will but I don’t ever foresee a sellout streak like that ever happening again.
ohiodevil 2
Remember that 455 streak happened because the Browns were gone. This is a football town first and if most fans had to choose between spending extra money on tickets to only one, the Browns win 99/100 times.
Jminor1205
No doubt about that. Myself, I’m in the 1/100 range. I love the Tribe and baseball will always be best to me. The city is definitely a football town though.
CKinSTL
It hilarious how Cleveland fans romanticize the memories of Dick Jacobs as this benevolent owner who was out to win a championship for the City of Cleveland at all costs.. so much, in fact, that you seem to think he paid to have Jacobs Field built.
Don’t get me wrong, he was a great owner. But he was not going out and signing big name free agents, as you suggest. All the core players from the 90’s teams were homegrown. What happened when Belle hit free agency? He walked because the Indians were not the high bidder. The players added via free agency made practically nothing relative to today’s salaries (even inflation adjusted). Dick Jacobs is the best because he paid Orel Hershiser $3 million a year.. but Dolan is a cheapskate because he won’t extend Lindors for $35 million a year.
Let’s face it.. Jacobs was a savvy businessman. He built a great team, gutted the farm system, and had the payroll at an unsustainable level so he could flip the franchise for a profit. And that he did. I’m certainly not suggesting there is anything wrong with what he did.. but if you don’t think his primary motive was to make a profit – you are nuts.
themaven
To be fair, Jacobs/Progressive Field was built with 70% private money(the income from the 10 year initial leases for all those luxury boxes) the city and county paid for infrastructure and interest(via the sin tax) and is on the hook for continuing maintenance..
Jacobs never ran a deficit payroll as an owner and always gave Hart a budget he had to stick to,just like now.
Show Me Your Tatis
Nope. They trade Bauer and their season is over. Just make some smart trades for rentals that fill needs and make one last try for a championship this fall. Bauer will still have trade value in the offseason.
Indiansjoe
100% agree…..unless someone overpays. But your right….Castellanos could dh and cost almost nothing, Soler or Puig for cheap or go nuts and get Mancini for a few mid to low level prospects with high ceilings.
hockeyjohn
This year is not their last try at it. I do agree that they should wait until the off season. They have plenty to still contend in 2020.
playicy
Indians will be sellers, because honestly the Indians have been erratic to say the least and the twins are the best team in MLB for a reason and the A’s got the second wild card and I don’t see either one of them falling apart for the Indians, so get what u can for Lindor, hand, Bauer, kluber and Ramirez, and just cut bozo Kipnis
hockeyjohn
#1 – I would not say that the Twins are the best team in MLB.
#2 – The Indians have the best record in the AL since June 1.
#3 – Mike Clevinger is back pitching and will improve as he get innings.
#4 – Jose Ramirez is starting to hit like Jose Ramirez.
#5 – Corey Kluber is starting to throw and should be back later in the season.
#6 – Cleveland is tied for second wild card with Oakland and Oakland’s top pitcher has been suspended for 80 games.
#7 Cleveland still has 10 games vs the Minnesota Twins. They have cut the Twins lead from 11 1/2 games down to 5 games if they hold on to tonight’s 8-0 lead tonight..
There is 7 reasons not to sell and 7 reasons why playicy has no idea what he is talking about.
playicy
Indians have hard time beating the teams in their division and can’t beat Oakland, so I say sell now while their stocks are high
Indiansjoe
Your right, the twins didn’t slow down for the Indians….yet the Indians made 5 games up in the standing in just over 3 weeks. I’m not saying it’s gonna be easy, but very possible. Cleveland can get not just one pitcher better than any on the trade market, but possibly 2 if Carrasco keeps progressing. And Salazar might be better than any reliever available. They still need a middle of the order bat….but they aren’t over matched by any means. They can play with any one
Indiansjoe
Make that 6 games made up
jrjbertsch
Indians are poised to pounce. Ramirez has upped his game since June, Mercado is getting the job done, Naquin is solid, Lindor is the best SS in MLB, Santana is an All-Star, Perez is playing at a new level.
Kluber, Salazar, Carrasco, Bauer, Beiber are the best rotation MLB. if anyone of them fails, Clevenger will fill in without missing a beat.
Salazar can be moved to the pen, if Hand is traded. The bullpen is a strength. Salazar can also be a second closer ala Miller in 2017.
The Twins are done. The Tribe will win the division. The only question is how deep they can go into the playoffs. If the Tribe gets Castellanos or Puig before the trade deadline, getting to the WS is realistic.
MC77
I highly doubt the Indians make any moves with the expectation that they are guaranteed something from Salazar. Come on now, Danny may very well be the most unreliable in MLB!
CKinSTL
Since the start of June, the Twins have a W-L of 19-17.. despite playing 17 of those games against non-contenders (KC, DET, SEA, CWS, NYM). They are a good team and certainly have a good chance of making the playoffs but they are not one of the best teams in the MLB.
bjupton100
I wouldn’t take less than $30,000,000 if I were him.
astrosfan4life
I don’t see any team paying him that as it currently stands.
jbigz12
If Bauer is truly looking to take a one year deal from this point on he’ll command a salary around there. I can easily see him getting a 1 year 25-30 million dollar deal in Free agency if that’s truly what he wants. He’s completely throwing risk of injury out the door w that kind of move but he’s a headstrong guy. Probably no talking him out of it.
astrosfan4life
I totally agree when he’s pitching lights out, but the problem is that he’s not. He’s pitching like a $10-15M guy, which is still very solid. If he turns it around and pitches like we’ve come to expect from him, then it’s likely he could fetch up to $30M on a one year deal.
jbigz12
He’s not pitching bad. I’d agree he’s not pitching at that level right now but I don’t think teams wouldn’t take the shot. On a one year deal I can’t imagine he’d have any problems getting 25 million dollars if he were a FA at seasons end.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
The Indians ownership is just sad. This team had a window and for the past couple of years was really only one more bat away from winning it all. Last year, they could have had Cutch on an August waiver claim for free, but that tiny bit of salary was too much for the multi-billionaire Dolan.
Fun team and I think the Front Office actually does about as good as any in baseball considering the constraints they are under, but that ownership is absolutely wretched. I despise anybody with the name Dolan. Awful that the team is stuck with that family owning the team.
I (almost) would rather have Thanks for Nutting, Bob as my team’s owner. Almost.
jrjbertsch
The Dolans have decided to create a sustainable businessvmodel, whereby the Indians will be a top ten team, playoff bound team every year. The Indians will never be able to outspend the top markets: Yankees, Red Sox, et al. The Indians have built a franchise from the bottom up, which will continuously produce talent, whereby over the course of 7 years they plan for a complete talent overhaul.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
That’s just patently not true. The past 4 years have been the only string of consecutive years under Dolan that the Indians have been playoff bound every year, and that is primarily due to Chicago, Detroit, KC all doing a major rebuild simultaneously.
Funny how Dolan apologists just ignore the decades of Charlie Manuel, Eric Wedge and Manny Acta teams.
Jeff 1Bworthy
More like Mark Shapiro left the org after 2015 and Antonetti having the guts to go for it with the Andrew Miller, Hand, Lucroy trades and signing Encarnacion. Plus the Indians have drafted better since 2016 compared to the Shapiro era, see Bieber, Plesac, Civale, Nolan Jones etc. The division helps, but even when Indians had winning record in 2013-2015, Mark Shapiro never went for it and the farm system was rather thin compared to now.
sufferforsnakes
Good comment, Jeff.
playicy
Dolan’s are going to hope the Indians fall apart, so they don’t have to spend any money on lindor or Bauer, but with those two phenomenal player I would pay, but Dolan’s are cheap and that’s y they don’t win championships
CKinSTL
How absurd that a mid-market team would have a mid-market payroll, right?.. it’s offensive, really.
ksbywaino
If Bauer is traded, I hope he records it for the Watch Momentum YouTube page lol.
Show Me Your Tatis
I’m getting tired of the people suggesting that the Indians “trade Bauer while still trying to contend.” If the Indians are serious about contending this year, nothing they could realistically get for Trevor Bauer would help them in that endeavor more than, well… Trevor Bauer.
sufferforsnakes
Exactly. Mercado has solidified CF, Naquin in RF is hitting well (platoon not necessary—he did homer off a lefty yesterday), just LF is a bit weak. That’s not worth fixing if it costs Bauer.
Wait until the offseason to look at trading him.
Yep it is
Just about the 12th time this article has been ran the last 2 weeks. WE GET IT ALREADY. What’s next a follow up on what invaluable Met went to the restroom during the game or how great Gardner of the Yankees is.
lfrient1
There is one demand that a team inquiring about Bauer should make of the Indians and Bauer before making a deal: Can an independent safety company examine Bauer’s drones, especially the propellers?
Jeff 1Bworthy
A contending team won’t and shouldn’t give up a quality young ML-bat with control for a Bauer. Indians won’t take prospects. The only possibility is a 3-team deal between Indians, a contender, a rebuilding team.
Indians get: a young solid ML RH corner power bat maybe plus prospect(s)…the overall value will very high
A contending team(LAD, ATL, SD, etc) get: Bauer, maybe a throw-in lower tier reliever
A rebuilder team(Sea, Bal, etc) get: A prospect package centered around a significant prospect from the contending team.
Maybe something like Domingo Santana/Mancini plus May(or Lux) to Cle, Bauer to LAD, Ruiz/May/smith plus more lower tier prospects from two other teams to the rebuilding team.
Bocephus
The Dodgers have already said they aren’t trading Lux or May. Besides the Dodgers biggest need is their Bullpen.
Jeff 1Bworthy
Agree , but don’t pay attention to what teams/players say but what they do . I also don’t see a realistic Bauer trade this deadline, Indians will keep him and trade him in the offseason and get pennies on the dollar in trade value.
kanersen
Or they can keep him and make 2 playoff runs if they don’t find a deal to their liking.and then receive QO compensation. I’d stack Cleveland’s chances against the Yankees, Astros, etc in the next 2 years as equal odds to come out of the east.
I’m not a Cleveland fan, but if I was, i’d easily take that over some package headlined by the likes of Clint Frazier.
Show Me Your Tatis
If they trade Bauer it should be for prospects because it means they are tearing down and starting from scratch.
hockeyjohn
Why do you care so much about what the Indians do? Cleveland still has a lot of assets to contend in 2020 and beyond if they use their assets wisely.
Cleveland has cut Minnesota’s lead down to 5 games and they still have 10 games to play against them. They are in a wild card spot. There is no reason to rebuild.
Worry about your Padres. Enjoy Wil Myers and Eric Hosmer and their wonderful contracts.
Show Me Your Tatis
Because I’m sick of people pushing all this “buy and sell at the same time” nonsense. Indians (like all teams) need to pick a direction and stick to it.
hockeyjohn
The Indians front office is well thought of throughout the league. They will do what they feel best helps their team now and in the future. That is the direction that they will take. Tampa Bay traded Chris Archer for two mlb ready players and a prospect. They got Austin Meadows and Tyler Glasnow, both have had success this year helping Tampa. There are more than two ways to build a team. Small market teams have to be very creative when building their team. It is never as simple as just buy or just sell.
Show Me Your Tatis
No they don’t have to be creative. Trading Bauer means punting on this year and next year. END OF STORY!
hockeyjohn
I guess the Padres should hire you since you know everything. Not everything is black or white, You are showing your limitations by expecting everyone to do things the same way. I guess you are not a creative person.
They will trade Bauer in the off season and still have Bieber, Clevinger, Kluber, Carrasco with Plesac, Plutko, Civale, available for the 5th spot with more coming. They can contend with those top 4 with Lindor, Ramirez, Santana, and the young players with an additional year of experience. You would also add what you received in the Bauer trade.
I think they will keep Bauer for 2019 as they are only 4 games back of the Twins with 10 game left with them.
Show Me Your Tatis
Oddly enough, I’ve found that it’s people who say things like “I guess x should hire you since you know everything” who have the least compelling arguments to make.
Just making the postseason doesn’t do anything for Cleveland. It’s championship or bust there. There is no way trading Bauer doesn’t decrease their chances of winning a championship this year.
hockeyjohn
You said that the Indians would not be able to contend in 2020 by trading Bauer and I just showed you that they could.
Once you get to the post season, ANYTHINHG CAN HAPPEN! In 2016 the injury riddled Indian pitching staff took them to game 7 of the World Series starting pitchers in playoff games that had pitched limited innings. They should have never got that far. In 2017, they should gone much farther in playoffs and did not.
I think that I will trust in the Indian Front Office much more than a internet know it all,. who I question whether he knows as much as he think he does.
Show Me Your Tatis
“You said that the Indians would not be able to contend in 2020 by trading Bauer and I just showed you that they could.”
You did no such thing.
“Once you get to the post season, ANYTHINHG CAN HAPPEN!”
And more can happen with Trevor Bauer on the team than whatever they would get for him.
hockeyjohn
I don’t think that the Indians will trade Trevor Bauer during this season, but they will during the off season and they will still contend in 2020 as starting pitching is their strength and they will still have Lindor, Ramirez, Santana, an improving young core and the return from the Bauer trade. To say trading Bauer means they have to rebuild is just so incorrect.
Show Me Your Tatis
Trading Bauer won’t make the team better. All it will do is add years of control to their roster. And if they do trade him the pitching will suffer. You can’t just reply on all the other SP’s staying healthy and productive.
hockeyjohn
I guess then the Padres should keep Renfroe, Reyes, Cordero, Myers, Margot, Naylor, and others rather than improve another area because someone can get hurt.
Cleveland has been the best team in the AL since June 1st and are in the playoff hunt despite losing Kluber, Carrasco, and Clevinger for months. They also lost their first substitution in Jefry Rodriquez and are still contending. They also went a month without Lindor also.
Few teams have lost 3/5 of their starting rotation for two months and stayed in contention. I agree, I wouldn’t trade Bauer this season.
When 2020 starts with Bieber, Clevinger, Carrasco, Kluber, Rodriquez Plutko, Plesac, and Civale mlb ready – I think they can trade Bauer and have plenty of high level pitching with depth.
That team can contend in 2020.. You are very wrong to say that they can not. That is still better pitching than the majority of MLB teams.
Show Me Your Tatis
You trade your WORSE starters, not your best ones. Just like the Padres are not going to trade the best outfielder of the guys you mentioned. Bauer is a huge part of why Cleveland is in the playoffs in the first place and he will likely get the ball for them in the Wild Card game if it comes to that.
And it’s short-sighted to expect every single one of those guys to be healthy and productive in 2020.
hockeyjohn
Bieber has been are best starter so far this year, He was an AL All Star. I would feel fine having Bieber, Clevinger, or Bauer pitch a wild card game this year. We are only 4 back in the central so the Indians may not need to worry about the wild card game. If you also read what I have said several times. I would not trade him this season! I have no problem trading him in the off season. We likely won’t resign him and can get players that will help in 2020 and beyond.
Renfroe and Reyes have been your best outfielders, yet those are the name I constantly here in the trade rumors for pitching. It does the Padres no good sitting Renfroe and Reyes as much as they do.
Teams use their strength to fix a weakness. That is common sense. I don’t know why you don’t see that. I would think that out of 8 pitchers, we can come up with 5 productive pitchers with more available in the minors.
Show Me Your Tatis
“If you also read what I have said several times. I would not trade him this season!”
Maybe not you but I keep hearing rumors that they will trade him this season.
Trading him in the offseason would make some sense. But the idea that he won’t re-sign after 2020 shouldn’t matter if you are trying to win a championship because that championship is worth more than any prospect. LIke I’ve said before, teams need to pick a direction and stick to it. Teams that sit on the fence end up getting the worst of both worlds, not the best of both worlds.
CKinSTL
You’ll have to explain your logic in that one. You seem to be implying that the Indians have no chance to contend this year or next without Bauer. They’ve contended thus far in ’19 despite Kluber, Cookie, and Clev all spending a significant amount of time on the IL.
Show Me Your Tatis
1. If you are trying to contend you make the team stronger, not weaker.
2. If they trade Bauer they have no depth. If anyone gets injured or struggles, they are going to wish they still had him.
Floopjack
Here’s a hot take. If Kluber gets healthy, he’s the one who gets traded. He doesn’t fit with the rest of the culture at this point and Bauer is a far better pitcher over time. Bauer stays this year and next at a minimum. I doubt Hand gets traded.