9:41pm: It “does not appear” the Giants are targeting Boyd, Feinsand tweets. The San Francisco scout who watched Boyd’s start was on hand to advance scout the Phillies, whom the Giants play seven times from July 30 to Aug. 11, per Feinsand.
6:37pm: Once seen as one of the likeliest players to be moved prior to the July 31 deadline, Madison Bumgarner may now stay put entirely since the Giants’ improbable 17-4 record over their last 21 games has put the club firmly back into the NL wild card race.
Conflicting reports on Bumgarner’s status come from MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand and the San Francisco Chronicle’s Henry Schulman. Feinsand heard from a source earlier today that “it’s all but certain” the Giants would hang onto Bumgarner through the trade deadline, while Schulman heard from a source of his own that no firm decision has been made by the front office about Bumgarner’s status, and that reports stating otherwise are “inaccurate.”
Quite a bit still seems to be in flux in the Bay Area, as if nothing else, the Giants certainly don’t seem to be the full-fledged deadline sellers that they appeared to be just a few weeks. In fact, Feinsand writes that the Giants could even look to start adding players if the team has a successful series against the Padres over the weekend. To this end, San Francisco “had a high-level scout” watching the most recent start of Tigers left-hander Matt Boyd, MLB.com’s Jon Paul Morosi tweets.
Bumgarner’s recent form has been a major factor in the Giants’ hot streak, as the southpaw has a 2.00 ERA and 41 strikeouts against just six walks over his last six starts (36 innings). To be clear, the odds are still against San Francisco’s chances at reaching the postseason, and with Bumgarner’s value perhaps at a peak, there is a definite argument to be made that trading Bumgarner for a large haul of prospects is the wiser long-term move for a Giants team that is short on minor league depth. On the other hand, trading Bumgarner now would also be a strongly unpopular move amongst both the players and the fanbase, who have all been understandably energized by this 21-game surge.
It’s not surprising that the Giants front office is trying to stay as flexible as possible in weighing deals of Bumgarner, Will Smith, Tony Watson, and other major trade chips. There’s little point in declaring oneself as a deadline buyer now, when a four-game losing streak would put San Francisco right back into sell mode. As Schulman noted in follow-up tweets, the Giants could also look to deal from their bullpen surplus for a player who could help them win now. This is less likely to be a rental player, but perhaps someone like Boyd, who is controlled through the 2022 season.
So stupid. Just because they’re on a good winning streak the past few weeks doesn’t mean they’re a playoff contender. Their lineup and rotation is not good at all and if they want any value for bumgarner they should trade him and help their horrible farm system a little
I’m all in on selling, but the thing about trading Bumgarner is that the teams they would want to trade home to he can just veto the trade.
He’s not going to veto the trade if he thinks the team they are trading him to can contend. As a matter of fact there’s a huge incentive for him in not vetoing a trade in that it removes the QO from the equation for him in free agency. Don’t think for a second that the Giants are going to not QO him as a showing of goodwill or whatever if he isn’t traded.
They will probably just extend him at market value if they don’t trade him. For better or worse, that’s the Giants way, and he has been hugely underpaid for a decade.
The time to do that was in the offseason.
That’s so far from the truth dude. The Giants had no idea how the core players were going to perform. The Giants need a vet like bum to help out with the youngsters. If they don’t trade him by the deadline high probability he extends. Probably takes a discount to stay! Not everyone is money hungry! He doesn’t want to play for anyone else. He stated it himself. He wants to stay a Giant. And you don’t spit on a legend like him after all he’s done for them with the three rings he helped get! Almost single handed won 2014 WS! Plus the dude is only 29! If I can recall there was a lot of people out there that said bum was washed up! That dude is better then 3/4 of Mlb pitchers! Giants win by resigning him with Cueto in the mix still.
If he wants to stay a Giant so badly they should definitely trade him. They can get a haul of prospects then bring him back as a FA. What sounds better to you: Bumgarner + prospects or just Bumgarner?
That depends what the offer is! I agree with that scenario but picking is slim for Bumgarner. Only 2 maybe 3 clubs would want him, and out of the three if the package contains weak prospects what do you do? Keep him. Extend him and compete again with Cueto, Beede, Anderson, and maybe a trade for a young Mlb ready pitcher or outfielder(s)?
Again, if you are really that sure that he is going to sign with SF, trading him makes more sense than ever. Even if the return is meh. Prospects + Bumgarner will always > just Bumgarner.
Actually, Bumgarner recently said he doesn’t “give a [bleep]” if he gets traded.
@22Leo Yup. And as has been pointed out, getting traded means no QO, so in that way it’s the best thing that could happen to him at this point.
Okay, listen bro, you don’t know what or why the giants aren’t trading him. It’s not up to just the Giants. Bum has made it very clear he likes where he’s at. Not even interested in talking about the trade. So he isn’t one who’s out there obviously caring about a fourth ring with a different club. And if you did trade him for meh prospects you take the risk of pissing him off and not wanting to resign and there isn’t a lot of pitchers on the market that are as good as this 29 year old. So I do agree if you can find a bomb deal, do it cause the risk was worth it but if it’s just meh, then that’s a stupid move.
He doesn’t care who he gets traded for. No player does.
And yeah Bum is going to be so pissed when the Giants trade him to a team that has a legit shot at the World Series this year and make him ineligible to receive a qualifying offer lmao.
What Bumgarner said to the reporter was that he doesn’t give a bleep about all the talk about being traded! He’s trying to compete and help the Giants win right now. He also stated that he will always want to be a Giant.
@Balk well of course he’s going to say that since he’s there right now.
Alright dude, sounds like now you’re his personal agent. You’re obviously not a Giants fan. And don’t follow this team. No one said he was going to care about who he gets traded for crack head, but the organization does. They’re not going to give up Bumgarner for some meh prospects that’s just plain stupid! That’s my point, bum has no trade clauses, the club has an interest in mlb ready talent, as stated per Zaidi. If the organization can’t get that then they don’t trade and maybe extend or qualify offer. Bet the latter and he stays a Giant. It’s just the Giants way. They respect their players unlike some ball clubs.
Anderson ain’t going to be in that rotation much longer. He’ll be hard pressed to be in it next year either. Velocity is average, too many location mistakes and is always pitching with traffic on the bases
Like I said before, I watch this club every time they are on air, pre game post game etc..I’ve watch MadBums every outing. And he said what he said to the reporters because he doesn’t want to think about playing for anyone else. He’s stated that he came up with the organization and would like to retire with the organization. Plain English bro.
Yes I am his agent.
No player in MLB cares about who they get traded for. Many care about where they get traded to, but never about who for.
I’ll say it again. Trading Bumgarner doesn’t mean they can’t sign him. Even if the prospects are meh they beat the nothing the Giants will get by not trading him.
In the end, it is not you or I that gets to make this call. It’s Farhan. And the sentimentality that Giants fans feel towards Madison Bumgarner will not be taken into account when he makes it.
22jclark I agree with Anderson but sometimes you never know what you can unlock with these pitchers. He’s showed signs of great stuff. But you could be right!
I’m not fully convinced that Bumgarner’s no-trade clause is to make money, and slightly convinced he might actually block a trade.
He wants to be a Giant.
We’ve established this. Bumgarner’s no-trade clause is so that he can control who he gets traded to. Go to the team that he thinks has the best chance of winning a championship or is in the city he likes best, as opposed to simply being forced to go to whoever offers SF the most/best prospects.
Dude, I hope to God you never manage a ball club with that kind of thinking much less be someone’s agent! I would’ve fired your a*# before I even signed. You don’t trade for pieces you already have. Like I said, Zaidi is looking for Mlb ready talent. If there’s only a couple clubs interested in the first place the picking is slim and chances of getting a solid return is less likely.
No you established that before. You ARE not an agent and never will be an agent with your thinking. Cmon bro, move on from it. Your wrong
The chance of getting a solid return is even less likely if they don’t trade him and QO him.
Stupid questions get stupid answers.
Wrong your* by the way.
You haven’t established anything, Tatis. You’ve made a guess, as have I.
“Anderson ain’t going to be in that rotation much longer.”
Where’d you get your crystal ball?
The guy is only 24 years old, with all of 13 starts in the majors. No one, including you or me, knows if he’ll progress or regress. But Tyler Beede should be a lesson not to make snap decisions about young pitchers, and what their future holds.
It was not I that established it. it was the writers on the “Details About Madison Bumgarner’s No-Trade List” thread.
That, too, is pure conjecture.
What core and youngsters? An aging Crawford, Sandoval, and posey who are never gonna be better than they are right now? And what young guys? Rodriguez who got sent down? Yaz who is like 29? I don’t understand what youngsters bum is gonna help out when the giants have almost no young guys on their roster and one of the worst farm systems in the league.
What the hell are you talking about? If you QO him clubs will wait like the did with Kimbrel etc. So I doubt that would be the plan. If he doesn’t get traded he gets extended! Your thinking is for the birds man.
“I’m not fully convinced that Bumgarner’s no-trade clause is to make money…”
It’s the only deduction you can make. The only commonality about all the teams on the list is they were all projected contenders. The only reason to do that is to sweeten the deal. If there were common geographical, or league criteria then that would be another thing, but there isn’t. The fact that the Twins, which were not projected to contend, aren’t on his list is basically confirmation that money or some other reward for being traded was the motivation.
No, he is not going to end up like Kimbrel or Keuchel.
I’m basing it on his outings. You’re 100% correct that he can improve and I hope he does. That being said, he can’t seem to make it past the 5th. He doesn’t have a kill pitch, he doesn’t have Pinpoint control and they won’t keep running him out there if he doesn’t tighten it up and soon.
@tad2b13 The idea with his no-trade list was to make a limited no-trade clause functionally a full no-trade clause. He didn’t need to put the Marlins on the list, for instance, because the Marlins aren’t going to give up prospects for a pending FA. He also didn’t need to put the Dodgers on the list because there’s no way SF trades him to the Dodgers. This way he has his choice of the interested contenders rather than just having to go to whoever offers the Giants the most/best prospects.
“It’s the only deduction you can make.”
No, it’s not. It’s not a bad deduction, by any means, but the arrogance of saying, “my idea is the only idea” is annoying.
Based on Bumgarner’s statements, one could also deduce that he simply doesn’t want to be traded, and blocked contenders.
What core and youngsters? Bahahaha. The core with three rings bro. Unlike the tigers, who had to watch our core Giants pull the broom out! Even though my good friend Fister had to take part in it! (Had to say that in case he’s reading) hahahahaha
Well he’s not going to block trades to the Orioles. The Orioles will do that for him. He also doesn’t have to block trades to the Dodgers. The Giants (as well as the Dodgers who don’t want to trade top prospects to their hated rivals for a guy who they will probably lose after 2 months anyway) will do that for him.
NO ONE knows what Bumgarner really feels. Remember that Panda said the same things, then crapped on the Giants and their fans when he left for Boston. I’m not saying MadBum would do that, but trading him now—as long as the haul back is a bonafide one—makes total sense. Then re-sign him in the off season. Farhan should stick with the plan. The Giants are not a playoff team, and missing this chance to reload will only ensure 4-5 more years of mediocrity.
“missing this chance to reload will only ensure 4-5 more years of mediocrity.”
I don’t know if the Giants will get much more than the Rangers got for Yu Darvish. And if that’s the case, that’s hardly a “reload.” The Rangers would have been better off trying to re-sign Darvish.
If they keep him and the right to make a qualifying offer that’s a pretty big piece of bargaining leverage. Also, they’d get a few more months to work towards an extension and keep another team from being able to.
“was to make a limited no-trade clause functionally a full no-trade clause.”
I’m sure that Bumgarner, with all his experience in baseball, is aware that every season, surprise contenders emerge. His no trade list is remarkably similar to the vast majority of other partial no trade lists. I am not buying that Bumgarner, as much of an individual as there is, is the one guy whose list is somehow conceived for different reasons.
“Based on Bumgarner’s statements, one could also deduce that he simply doesn’t want to be traded…”
Bumgarner knows there are unexpected contenders every year, and he could easily be traded to that team. He is well aware that his list cannot keep him from being traded. And why, since Bumgarner’s no trade list is so similar to almost all other player’s partial list, is his reasons different?
It takes two to extend. Who knows what he wants at this point
Agreed. And he is not one of the “It’s all about the money “ types. He would rather stay where he is familiar, beloved and happiest. He is a leader and mentor.
I think he said he doesn’t give a ‘s#it’ about the current Trade talk. He was here in a Giants uniform to win a game.
Yes. That.
Wrong. A happy fan base buys tickets and MadBum is our HaPpY. Zaidi isn’t going to chance that right now.
Wouldn’t he want to be close to Mayberry NC where he is from & lives in the offseason
Right smack in the middle of Brave country !!!!!!
Farhan was brought in to make the decisions that are most objectively sound. Not the ones that make Giants fans feel all warm and fuzzy.
He said that he doesn’t give a bleep about trade talks.
@mrnatewalter the Rangers could have still signed Darvish even after trading him if they wanted to.
But hindsight being 20/20, they dodged a bullet by not doing that.
Trade who? Your minor league system is thin on good prospects. And you state it yourself, you have a bunch of needs. You may be alright right now, but you’re in no shape to truly complete in the playoffs soon. You need to rebuild. You’re already a year or two behind on doing that. The longer they wait and don’t, the longer your rebuild will take
I don’t think he wants to leave. I wouldn’t put it past him to veto a trade. I doubt he’s even thinking about the QO.
Dude shut up you sound like you’re 12 and believes in Santa Claus.
This team is not ever going to be better than this past month, sparked by new pickups who won’t keep up their current production and vets that are going to be a year older next year.
And btw genius, 29 is not that young, plenty of guys struggle to play well past 30.
Actually he didn’t. He said precisely the opposite. He said, a la Richard Nixon that he didn’t give a [expletive deleted] about the speculation. Big difference.
Anyway, if he doesn’t get traded, and let’s be honest there’s no way the Giants can tear up the team now (whether they should is a different story), he’ll finish his days as a Giant, just as Matt Cain did.
U do realize only Posey was there for all three and Panik was only there for 1 while Belt and Crawford were merely contributors in the 2012 run? The core everyone talks about (Posey, Crawford, Belt, Panik) really was the driving force for only 1 of the three titles, but people make it seem like they single handed won 3 titles. Funny how words get twisted
“Dude shut up you sound like you’re 12 and believes in Santa Claus.”
If we were on Reddit I would give this post Gold.
“people make it seem like they single handed won 3 titles. Funny how words get twisted”
Looks like you are the one twisting.
honestly a likelier scenario is that he accepts the qualifying offer and hits FA without it attached to him next year
No.
Ya this doesn’t make any sense. There’s no way there won’t be a bidding war for a lefty starter that has shown complete dominance in the post season throughout his career. Giants are kidding themselves here.
After Noah is moved Teams will be after him,Stroman,Bauer,Boyd and so on. Also Giants has to climb ahead of other Teams who might keep winning.
Yeah the postseason thing is nonsense. That was many years ago with better stuff.
Performing under pressure doesn’t just go away. That’s a legitimate skill and he’s shown that he has it.
It’s not repeatable when you don’t have the same stuff. He doesn’t.
While I think they should be selling, to say their lineup and rotation is not good at all is a gross exaggeration. The best indication of the quality of the Giants is their record. They’ve over-achieved recently, but they also under-performed early in the season. They’re a .500 team; not that good, but not that bad either. They aren’t terrible but they’re still a long-shot.
they are 2 different teams. half of position players and most of the rotation have changed
I know it’s difficult for a Tigers fan to relate to how Giants fans and the organization feel about possibly trading a homegrown star who was a huge part of winning three World Series and hasn’t even turned 30 yet. But even ignoring that, this is still an oversimplified and silly opinion. The Giants farm system is no longer horrible, most of the elite talent is still in the lower levels but it’s firmly an average to above average farm system overall. As you’ve noted later the Giants can control Bumgarner’s market greatly with the leverage of a qualifying offer and/or get draft pick compensation if he leaves in free agency. It’s not as if they currently have a lot of arms pushing for rotation spots next year. And announcing their reluctance to trade him might just be a bargaining tactic anyway, saying the opposite certainly wouldn’t help improve offers from other teams. Trading Bum for mediocre return just to trade him would be a horrendous waste of an asset and an incredibly unpopular move both because it would be waving the white flag on a long shot at contending this season and because of what Bumgarner represents.
Giant farm system is still bad. Don’t fool yourself. Besides a couple of top players the rest is not doing that well.
It’s more than a couple top guys now, and that’s really all it takes for a system to not be horrible.
Triple A team leads their division. High-A team is 1 game out. Single-A leads their division.
The farm has improved tremendously, and most of their top prospects are trending up, not down.
It’s not 2014 anymore. The Giants have a pretty good farm, and it’s only going to get better.
“Giant farm system is still bad.”
Not really. While I don’t agree that it’s average to above average, the is talent there. What holds it down is the lack of depth.
I’m really bullish on their last 3 first rounders. I’ll give them that much.
The problem for the Giants is their best young players are all in A ball. Of their top 10 prospects only 1 made it to AA so far. Not much infield depth at all. its mainly OF and pitchers. They are probably 3 years away from seeing most of them at major league level. To much can happen in 3 years.
Was just ranked 15 by Baseball America. So average seems just about right.
Tigersfan1320 if the Giants are so bad but are in the mix with Cubs/ Nationals/Milwaukee etc. then that must mean the teams they’ve been beating must be terrible!
Oh please Tigers fan, tell the Giants what success looks like.
Yeah because that sweep isn’t still fresh in mind 😉
@tigersfan1320…..agreed 100%
Just get it over with already and by that I mean the retool or rebuild….the Padres sucked for a while and have addressed the farm….they have admitted they suck and need to rebuild or retool…..the Giants get on a hot streak that won’t last and they think they have a shot and will prolong the inevitable….but then their players have less control or no control and lose value….great post tigersfan
Mad Bum does not want to leave and probably will resign with SF next year. Right now the team chemistry is extremely important with this current streak and the players have strongly voiced their support for Mad Bum staying. No matter what most of the clueless contributors feel….the Giants will ride this streak out as long as they can.
Sorry but giants have won world series with teams everyone else mocked as not being a contender, and also won a series from the wild card game. Pretty sure 1 run also had most series taking 5 and 7 games. Never count out an underdog giants team.
Fake narrarive. No one mocked any of those Giants teams. All 3 were in the race for most of those years and in 2014 they had the best record at one point. This Giants team is mediocre and going for it based on pass success will only throw them farther into the hole
Hopefully for the Giants sake this is just a clever ruse to increase his value while they pray for a losing streak over the next week. The first thing I thought when I saw the Thor news is that’ll really tank his value. Maybe the Giants are doing the reverse thing
But they are a playoff contender now. Maybe they shouldn’t be buying at the deadline, but they shouldn’t be selling. If I were a fan of or a player for that team, I’d be furious if they threw in the towel. The whole point is to win the world series, and if they have a chance they shouldn’t be trying to extract value.
The yankees traded away miller and chapman when they were in the WC race. Look how that turned out for them
Most teams cant afford a $250 mil payroll. Yankees can trade anyone and buy a replacement the next year.
As a Dodger fan, I beseech the Giants, buy! Buy! Buy!
Buy what? VHS copies of the last Dodgers title?
Lol
LMAO it’s not even an even year.
yeah but taylor swift has a new album coming out this year so you never know
Bumgarner to the Rays for Ji-Man Choi. Done deal
Zaidi’s no fool. The Giants roster is terrible and it’s a seller’s market. I’d be shocked if they didn’t at least sell off their major bullpen pieces.
They do that then Bumgarner is gone too.
My concern is that it’s ownership making the call, not Zaidi
Pretty sure it’s going to be Zaidi’s call. It was reported when he was hired that he was given full control, and whatever his decisions, that’s what they would do.
Yeah. Farhan had a pretty sweet gig in LA. I dunno why he would drop that if he thought ownership was going to be vetoing him left and right.
I agree, and I think he’s really smart. I just hope as a baseball fan and not a Giants fan that you guys are right.
Farhan is a dead eyed emotionless sabermetrician, and if they don’t sell it will have been for the Paleolithic ownership that wants to find the next Marco Scutaro.
You truly don’t know the Giants, lol, They will never thrown anyone under the bus. Farhan will take all the blame, but if Larry Baer tells him not to do something he won”t do ir. Also, if you think Larry Baer is not running the team? LOL
He’s not. He embarrassed the franchise with his shenanigans.
It doesn’t change anything.
Clearly, you’re the one that doesn’t know the Giants. They aren’t going to lure one of the most highly respected baseball minds in the game away from the Dodgers, make him president of baseball ops with the promise of autonomy, and then pull the rug out from under him embarrassing him, running the risk losing the guy after they told him they trusted his judgement..
I know you want to peddle this conspiracy theory like you have some sort of in on what happens there. But this is a FO that’s been very successful this decade by doing things right, They don’t do stupid things like that.
Do you believe in Santa Claus? Serious Question
Did anybody watch GiraffeNeckMarc’s video about how the giants are liars and shouldn’t buy at the deadline?
Lol ya
Yes, and nice pic. So many mixed words from gms and sports writers. Will all see in the end.
DUMB, DUMB, DUMB
Its such a Giants thing to get all caught up in Bochys last year and being 1 game above .500 in a mediocre 2nd wild card race that has any team not named Marlins in it. If they don’t sell and let their free agents walk thats just longer this team won’t be relevant
Perfectly said.
Bum is only 29. If they go after some young talent this trade deadline and the offseason unload some old guys, and pick up some new guys then they would be doing exactly what big market teams do! Compete.
He’s an old 29. That arm has been rode to death, forget about it!
I’m not sure that you have seen him pitch on a consistent basis. He’s got plenty left in that arm -probably a good 200+ starts over the next six years or so. This guy is built for the long haul; built like a tank.
Uh, the trade deadline is HOW they “offload some old guys and pick up some new guys.”
They need to get rid of Belt for the love of Christ. I don’t understand what curse Brandon Belt has on this team and fans. Is Belt sleeping with a Giants owner wife or something?
You have to look to the future. If they can extend Bumgarner for 3-4 years at like 20M then sign him and keep him. They’ve been continually burned by bad contracts. If he’s reluctant to commit beyond this year or they’re reluctant to offer him something fair then you have to trade him with younger, controllable players. They have to address the aging roster by getting younger and more athletic. I’m all for competing this year but you get nothing if Smith and Bum walk in the end. The offers for other teams will get sweeter as the deadline approaches. Zaidi will do what’s best for the team and his job which should be to get younger, more athletic, get triples alley brought in while still trying to remain competitive for the rest of this year. The players understand the deal and most of their starters are still horribly underperforming.
They are either trading all of Bumgarner, Smith, Dyson and Watson or none of them. Period.
Seems like a tough call for them. I think they have to truly reconsider what there team actually is. They aren’t gonna maintain this streak… they will fall
Starter. Right Fielder. Second Baseman. RH bench bat. Gold.
That’s a great start to filling the holes they have. Get some thumper who can hit the longball consistently as well
New First Baseman. New leadoff man. New Third Baseman. ? New Catcher. ???
We’ll see in 2 years. Probably sooner. These things take time. I say best Bullpen in baseball. Have to buy if you can. Bochy too. It would be a waste. Build in Dec…
I agree, if they can buy like how they got Pillar. Can’t deal the very few good prospects they have. I’m sure Zaidi has his eye on a few under the radar guys who can help now. They can replace a bullpen arm or two or Bumgarner and 1 bullpen arm. The remaining players have to pull their weight and be better at the plate. You gotta give up something to get something
The bullpen arms they have are not replaceable if they want to contend this year.
Under the radar absolutely. Hidden value gem. . . Heliot Ramos isn’t going anywhere. Unless… But for who. ???
Absolutely. They can’t part with anybody in the pen. Major piece of the puzzle.
3 team trade proposal… Bumgarner, Watson, Smith and Trout to the Rays. Keirmaier and hunter wood to the angels. Choi to the giants as a bullpen catcher
And you to the nut house
Lol
Bumgarner always seemed like the least likely to be traded because the Giants can play the QO card.
Someone will offer them a better prospect than a sandwich pick between the 2nd and 3rd round for Bumgarner. Even as a rental.
Bumgarner will certainly receive a contract of more than 50 million. The giants could potentially get a 30th overall pick with smith and Bumgarner.
That’s only if the team receives revenue sharing. Do the Giants?
They do not.
Yes but the comp pick is a good hedge against getting nothing, and also leverage towards resigning him.
The comp pick isn’t worth nearly as much as the prospects they could get by trading him and it gives them no leverage towards extending him.
Ryan, it absolutely gives them leverage. Whatever team signs Bumgarner has to give up a pick to sign him if they don’t deal him. How is that not leverage? If they deal him he has nothing attached. A team like the Atlanta Braves was hesitant to sign anyone with a QO this offseason because of that very pick. Bumgarner grew up a Braves fan and owns a home in Braves country. That pick could easily take 1 destination (and speculatively probably his most preferred destination outside of SF out of the equation)
I think that would check the box as leverage. They aren’t going to deal him anyway. Theyre in the thick of a playoff race. I don’t think they’re making it but that’s not the point. Bumgarner is a hero in SF and quite frankly the prospect they get back isn’t going to be a stud either. You have the optics nightmare of trading your folk hero when you’re a stones throw away from a Wildcard.
Right. The QO system is supposed to give the player’s last team leverage in signing him back, and it does. And it also doesn’t matter to my point whether the comp pick they’d get for making the QO might be less than what they’d get in trade. The point here is it’s a hedge, a lot better than nothing, and nothing is what they’d get for a player not made a QO. That is also a deliberate feature of the QO system.
Yeah the leverage is much much smaller the better the player you are obviously. For the Nationals obviously Bryce Harper’s QO gave them essentially no leverage. Compensation but not leverage. Bumgarner’s situation is different for a plethora of reasons. Their place in the standings, his trade value and the optics of all that. And I think the fact that it could potentially take the Braves out of the market is one of the most advantageous points of it all. I doubt he leaves SF for anywhere but there. Any impediment to that is certainly not insignificant.
“You have the optics nightmare of trading your folk hero when you’re a stones throw away from a Wildcard.”
Been said before by more than one person. Farhan is going to make the most objective, non-sentimental decision possible. That is what they brought him in to do and I doubt he takes the job if ownership is going to be vetoing him left and right. If he thinks they can’t win a championship this year then Bumgarner is gone. People hoot and holler about how prospects aren’t guaranteed to pan out. The draft pick from the QO is less likely to pan out.
And I know you hate to hear it, but trading him does not close the door on him returning to SF.
Adding on, the qualifying offer would make the GIANTS less inclined to sign him as well. As there is now an added cost to signing him in that they no longer get the comp pick that they’d get by letting him walk. This isn’t going to take them out of the market entirely but it will absolutely affect what they offer. Let’s say hypothetically that they value Bumgarner at $100m and value that draft pick at $3m. It’s now possible that they only offer Bumgarner $97m as opposed to $100m because the real cost of signing him is whatever they are paying him plus the draft pick they now no longer get.
In the end, not trading Bumgarner and then failing to make the playoffs is going to look just as bad for the Giants as not trading Harper did for the Nats.
You are leaving out of your calculations the fact that the team that signed him, if it wasn’t the Giants, would also give up a high draft pick, which increases the cost of the signing to them. Everything about this system was designed to give the player’s original team something to show for losing a top player to free agency, both in terms of compensation and leverage. Just because one player you can mention didn’t sign back with his original club doesn’t mean the system doesn’t work as intended. The market for Harper was bound to be small, as it is for all the truly big-ticket free agents.
I’m not leaving that out. It’s already been pointed out. I was pointing out that the QO would also affect what the Giants would play him. Not just the other team.
The QO costs the giants a CBB pick and that’s it. It’ll cost the signing team a higher pick so that in itself gives the Giants more leverage than the signing team.
And what makes this scenario completely different is because It could easily take the Braves out of the running; which is far more valuable than a sandwich pick when trying to resign him. Rationale or not Bumgarner is held in much higher regard in SF than Harper in DC.
We also don’t know what Farhan can do. Whatever ownership tells him in the offseason doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot on July 31st in Bochy’s last season and they’re 2 games out. I’m sure no one expected them to be here right now. We cannot assume that’s not a consideration or even a requirement coming down on him. You’d like to think as the President of Baseball Ops. This decision is solely his but that easily could not be the case in this scenario.
The point is the Giants place a value > 0 on that CBB pick.
And it’s like tad2b13 said, “They aren’t going to lure one of the most highly respected baseball minds in the game away from the Dodgers, make him president of baseball ops with the promise of autonomy, and then pull the rug out from under him embarrassing him, running the risk losing the guy after they told him they trusted his judgement.”
That’s nothing but speculation. Zaidi is a contracted employee when it comes down to it. Hopefully they lose 6 games and make the decision to sell.
But the fact that the Giants place a value on the pick doesn’t say anything about leverage. The Giants would intuitively value that CBB pick less than the other team values their higher pick.
Contracted or not, you don’t want to build bad blood with your new PBO. Especially when that PBO would have no problem getting a job elsewhere.
My 5d chess conspiracy theory is that the Padres are going to throw this series on purpose so that the Giants don’t sell, miss out on getting top prospects for their rentals and then miss the playoffs anyway.
Their schedule gets much tougher now. This is a mistake.
2nd toughest schedule remaining I believe. Playing lots of teams with winning records. 2021 is more realistic to be a legit team
Not true. So far they’ve played 35 games against Atl, Chc,LAD, Mil, NYY, Stl, and Wsn. They have 33 games remaining against Atl, Chc,LAD, NYY, Phi, Stl, and Wsn.
They also have a series against Boston in September. They have a tough remaining schedule. They also play Oakland 4 times.
They also have 6 games against the Phils, a team that scares no one. Among all those playoff teams they’ve played already, only the Yankees were able to sweep.
The same Phillies who are like 6 games above .500 and ahead of the Giants? Them? Those guys? From Philadelphia?
Yes, the Phillies that are a product of Citizen’s Ballpark, that are under .500 on the road, and under .500 against teams >.500. The same Phillies that have given up the 3rd most HRs, the 13th most BBs, and are 22nd in SOs in MLB.
They’re a decent team, they could easily make a successful run for the WC. But to paint them as so much better than Giants when they rank worse in numerous stats, is just plain wrong. I can see a 3-4, or 4-3 series, but again, I doubt the Giants are dreading their up coming games against the them.
So stupid. They will go 4-24 in August guaranteed now
Cone on Hank….SF selling off “bullpen pieces” is not going to be of any interest to the Tigers. The Tigers know where they are and understand that even a holding on to a controllable asset such as Boyd, given the lack of talent depth in their system, is not going to result in a successful rebuild. Selling Boyd for premium young talent (yes, it now appears Jints have 2-3), not “bullpen pieces” is what Tigers have an interest in pursuing.
Who’s to say they don’t make a three team trade…
Giants get Boyd
Tigers get: Moronta, a Giants prospect, and the prospects T3 would send for Will Smith.
Team 3 gets: Will Smith
Not saying it’s a perfect trade idea, but it’s been done before.
Then who do they trade Bumgarner to?
Maybe no one.
If they trade Smith then certainly someone. The only reason to keep Bumgarner is if they think they can contend this year in which case trading Will Smith makes no sense.
Or they extend him, and for the next few years run a rotation of Bumgarner, Boyd, Cueto, and Samardzija.
They don’t HAVE to trade Bumgarner.
The time to extend him was in the offseason. But they really need to either extend him or trade him by the deadline. Unless of course they are serious about winning a championship this year in which case you can forget about trading Smith, Watson and Dyson.
At this stage of where the Giants are at, I hope they keep Bum and make him a Giant for life, trading some bullpen pieces makes sense of the deal is right. Giants have some arms that could step in should someone be dealt. Are they going to contend? Probably not but it’s a fun ride at the moment
If they keep Bumgarner trading bullpen pieces makes no sense at all! Not in any case! They have no bullpen pieces that are as good as what they would be losing.
They need a guy like Madbum to help mentor the younger guys develop too.
I doubt whether 2 months of Bumgarner will have enough of an effect on the development of their younger players to warrant passing up on the quality prospects he could net them next week.
Not true. They can afford to extend him as well. This is a club that can afford 220 million dollar payrolls. Otherwise, you end up with a team like the Padres, all potential and no results.
Please understand that not trading Bumgarner doesn’t guarantee that he will extend or re-sign with SF. Nor does trading him guarantee that he won’t.
so if they could trade lets say sam dyson to the brewers for travis shaw, would that not make sense?
That would be selling low on Dyson.
They don’t need a third baseman…..Panik is solid enough at second to finish the year…
This may come as a shock to you, but teams can, and often do, keep their good players even in the midst of a rebuild.
Difference is those players are controllable. Bum is a FA in the offseason.
2nd hardest schedule after the Angels the rest of the way. Guys like Dickerson, Baby Yaz & Pillar are playing over their heads and will come back to earth. Their Gam will come back to reality this week and at least move Smith & MadBum. They can keep Watson & Dyson and move them later but I believe that would be a mistake because part of their value is the extra year of control.
Only thing I can think of is if the GM’s ego is that big that he can find guys like Taylor, Muncy, Dickerson etc easily
Next couple days they will come back to reality and realize they are pretenders & not contenders
I like when teams get stupid
Zaidi is supposed to be doing a radio spot on KNBR right now, maybe he’ll shed some light on things. It’s 105 here so I’m not going out to the car to turn on the radio to hear but I’m sure it will be summarized soon
Knbr.com
Podcasts. Click the show. Than click the interview, with date.
I do it all the time. Works pretty good when missing a segment.
Thanks, I didn’t think about that
For what it’s worth, the Giants made a very good hire in Farhan and you can expect him to make the most objective, non-sentimental decision possible given the situation the Giants are in come the deadline. As a GM, having to make decisions that might not be popular with fans comes with the territory. Hazen did it last offseason when he traded Paul Goldschmidt and look at how well that one worked out for AZ.
Whole problem is that ownership is so worried about alienating the fans. A terrible decision if they decide to make a run at postseason! Look at their 40 man roster, then look at their farm system. After you stop laughing, look at the division they’re in and the teams ahead in the WC. The ownership is terribly arrogant and thinks they should never have to rebuild. They worry that the fan base will abandon them for the A’s.
Terribly arrogant to win 3 world series. Hire Brian sabean and get two eras of winning baseball. Hire Farhan zaidi one of the hottest names in baseball coming up. Building a new fan experience across from the ballpark, ala the Cubs and red sox fan villages. Building their own new ballpark privately financed in San Francisco. Hiring Bruce Bochy from the Padres who discarded him. HOF manager. On n on n on.
HA.
The Giants actually have a pretty decent farm now. This isn’t 2014. It’s not perfect, but it has improved tremendously over the past year or so, and it’s looking to get better in the near future.
I’m not even closed to convinced that SF can compete deep into October, but I guess you never know what that front office is thinking–unless the Giants truly think they can win the World Series, it’s going to be a huge mistake if they choose not to sell.
They’re essentially playing for a WC spot anyway, so even if the Giants upgraded the team significantly prior to the deadline, advancing to the DS would be a crapshoot.
You know they won 2 World Series as a wild card team. Just saying.
They were only a Wild Card team in 2014.
That was also prior to the one game playoff.
If you count 2002, they went to two World Series as a WC team. They won the NL West in 2010 and 2012.
@antibelt said they “won” 2 World Series a Wild Card team. They didn’t win in 2002. He was wrong.
MadBum has publicly stated he doesn’t want to leave the Giants. Zaidi listen to MadBum. Don’t believe other teams are really going to give the Giants what he is truly worth.
Other teams want a proven winner. They know his post season pedigree; and MadBum can take them to the winner’s circle.
Zaidi don’t be lured into trading MadBum. His value is worth more to the Giants than the mediocre prospects other teams will offer.
Zaidi is not stupid. I would think that he wants to deal each and every one these short term assets for as much young talent as possible. Ownership is most likely the conflicted party in this process. A Padre sweep in SD this weekend would solve a lot of Zaidi’s problems.
You’re right–I think a lot of people forget that ownership has the final say in regards to significant moves like these.
“…ownership has the final say…”
While that may be technically true, Zaidi was hired with the understanding that he had free rein with the roster, and running the team. While ownership may have concerns about alienating fans, they would also have to be concerned about alienating their first year president of baseball ops.
Keep Him! Go Giants!
Are the Giants trying to compete with the Mets for the title of most poorly run team?
A team that has won three World Series in a decade probably can’t be considered the “most poorly run team”. Just sayin’
While their success from 2010-2014 can’t be downplayed their awful decisions since then can’t be excused either. The Samardzija and Cueto signings both failed miserably. The McCutchen and Longoria trades to bandaid a mediocre roster made no sense. Now they’re going to hold onto valuable trade assets because they’ve played well for a month and suddenly think they’re contenders? The Giants have been treading water for 5 years now and need to rebuild but the front office refuses. That is the definition of a poorly run team
Well, for starters, you’re basing some things off of literally one report from Feinsand. Lots of “sources” say things this time of the year.
Two, there were some very short-sighted trades, sure. But if you think that a team that has made runs in ’10, ’12, ’14, and even ’16 are up there with the Mets (among other teams), you’re either out of your mind, trolling, or both.
You’re still missing the point entirely. Yes the Giants were very successful from 2010-2014 but the players who made those teams successful are either no longer there or a shell of what they used to be. The Giants front office needs to come to terms that the remnants of that dynasty aren’t going to win anything these days and it’s time to fully rebuild. The Mets didn’t become the Mets overnight they’ve been a mess for years because they continue to make the same mistakes. The mistakes the Giants have been making for 5 years now aren’t much different from the Mets
No, I think you’re missing the point.
The Mets have been horrendous for a long time. Even despite winning a pennant, that team is, and has been, comically bad.
The Giants will turn themselves around LONG before getting into Mets territory.
I wouldn’t be too confident in that if I were you. Their farm system and they’re realistically 4-5 years from contention. Now is their chance to trade valuable assets to help rebuild but if they blow this opportunity their return to contention could be even further away
Their farm system is 15th. Not great but not nearly as bad as you make it sound. 4 top 100 prospects is nothing to sneeze at
15th based on who’s rankings? Besides Bart and Ramos who do they have that is considered a top prospect
Baseball America and mlb.com. Bishop, Luciano, Bart, and Ramos. 4 top 100 on both and more like canario, pomares, and hjelle will probably join them.
It’s delusional to think they would get a “Haul” for a Rental,GM’s have already been Quoted saying this,just trying to stir things up I guess
While I favor selling in theory, it isn’t as clear cut as many make it out to be. I’ve read myriad posts about how the return for Bumgarner is not going to be a top prospect; that he’s not the pitcher he was. So if that is true, why give him away for a lottery ticket? Not to say they should expect some team’s top guy. But it should be someone that the Giants like.
Plus, I just detest the attitude that teams should just wave the white flag, go into a rebuild, when a team isn’t playing well, and doesn’t seem that strong on paper. Rebuilds are no sure thing. Why are so many willing to give up on an outside chance for something else down the road that’s also a gamble. I think the most frustrating thing for a fan base has to be for teams that seem to be in a perpetual rebuild.
It takes more than luck to go 17-4. Longo was super hot before injury, and Cueto comes back at the end of the month. We’re a second baseman away from being a contender.
Cueto X factor!!!!!
What they would get in return for bum isn’t gonna knock their socks off anyway.
The draft pick from the QO will knock their socks off even less.
This is such shortsighted by Giants ownership. Make no mistake, this is their ownership talking. Short term ticket sales and excitement at the expense of prolonging their rebuild.
Zaidi is smarter than this. Stupid, stupid, stupid….
Larry Baer is somewhere smiling
Giants Fans Winter 2018, Spring 2019, Early Summer 2019: Bobby ruined this team,,,
Giants Fans Late July 2019: Don’t sell our boys. Don’t trade our players. Don’t break up the team!!!
This is what I have to deal with being a Giants fan 🙂
Wow. The Giants are going to set their team back even further. Their latest run is hurting their franchise by giving false hope.
Yes, Bumgarner is a free agent at the end of the year but everyone is acting like that means he would decide to sign somewhere else. He clearly likes pitching in SF and would probably re sign or take an extension if offered one. The Giants need good pitchers in the future and he will be a good pitcher for many years to come.
Trade a relief pitcher or two and still go for it this year. Win, Win .
1. Trading him doesn’t mean they can’t sign him in the offseason. And if he likes pitching in SF so much it should be no problem for them.
2. There is no “going for it this year” if they trade their relievers.
The Extension will be a long one. At least 5 years and $150 million. So they will be tying up more money on 1 player. means next year 4 players will be making over $100 million combined leaves very little for rest of team
And they can still offer him that if they trade him.
He’s not getting 5/150 in this market. He’s maybe a 5/105, or 4/95 with a player option.
Amen, them days are gone. They ain’t giving him 30M a year. They got enough bad contracts. 18-22M for 3-4 years. Can’t keep paying for past performance, see Lincecum and Cain…. the Shark and Cuetos contracts don’t look too good either.. oh, and Melancon. Let’s not get started on the position players and those contracts. Get cheap, young controllable talent. Draft em, trade for em, just get it done
keep the pitching; improve the offense. Man, I’d love to pick up Miguel Cabrera. A dangerous PH off the bench late in crucial, high stress situations -he’d be perfect. Plus, you could platoon him with Belt at times, righty/lefty. Oh Btw, sign #40 MB long term, 6/100 – 120. The number one reason this team is thriving: they are healthy. And getting healthier with Cueto looming on the horizon. Should be a fun and exciting stretch run through the last third of ‘19.
The last thing the Giants need is another elderly player with a massive contract like Cabrera’s.
Yikes! You’re right, we would need the Tigers to eat some of that remaining 4/120. They might be willing to do this if they feel overly burdened, perhaps. I think they will eventually have to, at some point in the not too distant future, for draft pick or player returns. Any other big bats out there for the taking? What about Ryan Zimmerman maybe?
Unfortunately, teams can’t trade draft picks. Maybe swap bad contracts?
Thanks, man. Good to know. How embarrassing of me not to have known this about draft picks. My other offensive upgrade I could envision would be a Starling Marte pick up in the outfield. Starling has been a consistently good RHT bat over the years and he can steal you a base. Speed would be a nice addition to have.
I’m a Giants fan and have ink on my skin to prove it but if we keep everyone And they walk and we get nothing only to hopefully make a play in game is stupid. Trade them all and start over. The fan base should understand.
Yeah because nothing shows a player he’s a valued member of the organization more then trading him in the middle of a run for the postseason and asking him resign in the offseason. That wouldn’t turn him off to the Giants at all. <<<<Sarcasm font
You suggested them “trading a relief pitcher or two.” That would mean they aren’t in the middle of a run for the postseason.
And it’s been said on here multiple times that Bumgarner loves SF. If that’s the case then signing him should be easy for them.
I love it. As an actual FAN and not some wanna be front office dude I am pumped to be buyers. Regression is likely, but, there is that chance magic happens and they make the playoffs. How terrible would it be for me as a fan if we wave the white flag and sell everything we can and look back and think, i wonder what would have happened if we tried to contend? LETS GO!!!!
61-60 in late August last year…. 5-21 in September. Same core guys, 1 year older, all still hitting in the 220’s-250’s… Dickerson ain’t going to hit .400 or whatever obscene average he has now. I don’t see it. Buy and sell if you want, just be smart. Have to get younger, more power and more athletic. If these guys are good enough, they’ll stay in it after trades are made. A good starting point may be to hit in the .270’s and better with more HR’s and RBI’s mixed in. The core is the problem and they’re stuck with them so you might as well get younger behind them and wait for their contracts to expire
Hmm… Not sure this is so simple. MadBum will be a 10&5 player soon with the right to reject all trades, correct? So if the Giants do not trade him now he can just accept the QO this offseason and reject all future trades.
The amount of craze that one “source”makes during this time of the year is laughable. We don’t know Feinsand’s source, and he certainly wouldn’t tell us (lest he challenges his credibility or his source’s).
And for all we know, said source could simply be talking from their perception and not the Giants’ reality. We don’t know.
For example, if one team called and felt the asking price for Bumgarner was ridiculous, a source could say, “yeah, they aren’t likely to trade him at this point.” And guys like Feinsand love to run with that.
And then you see one scout at Matt Boyd’s game, and all of sudden, “WOW! The Giants aren’t sellers. They’re buyers!!!”
It’s not difficult to see how easy it is to milk a lot of readers out of one source.
Phils could use Bullpen Piece and SP and Giants have both in terms of like Bumgarner,Holland who is stil DFA,Smith,Watson,Dyson and so on and also Pillar if looking for an OF..
I say Giants keep Bumgarner. They have a shot at a wildcard. One game playoff will Baumgarner on the mound… They have an excellent chance. 5 game series… Madbum, Shark and Boyd (or other pick up). They have an excellent pen. They don’t need an overpowering offense with that. Besides… Posey, Belt, Crawford, Panik, Pablo all have rings. They know what needs to be done. Playoffs are an entirely different season.
I say go for it.
To all you nut riders who said Giants farm is trash… It went from 28th to 15th see below
twitter.com/WirthTM/status/1154437437432614912?s=2…
It will be around 8-12 come next season. Giants got a bunch of young talents doing great that their stock is going to rise.
I was just looking at their prospects and they have some very good, very young players. Quite a few 17 18 year olds with good ratings. I don’t think they have to include Bart. Ramos, Luciano, Toribio could probably get them a solid starter like Minor, Boyd or Stroman. They have major league ready guys in 1B Shaw, 3B Green and OF Slater. Pitchers like Rodriguez and Suarez that have been top prospects and are bouncing between the majors and minors. I think they could get one of the top starters and maybe a good hitter. Sogard, Domingo Santana and Minor would really give them a solid shot at a 4th ring.
Luciano is off limits. He’s going to be the best rated prospect this time next yr. You can take it to the bank.
Plus they won’t trade for any starters and their prospects aren’t going anywhere.
San Fran can’t complain then when teams are offering garbage for your top players and then they turn around and offer garbage. You need to send top prospects if you seriously want to win a world series. You can’t be like the Yankees and keep offering Frazier. No one wants him. Cashman’s like that idiot at the meeting that keeps trying to push his idiot idea whenever the boss asks for ideas.
Boss: “Okay, we need a new fresh idea to improve sales.”
Cashman: “We can always install a hand sanitizer station by the bathroom door.”
Boss: “We’re looking for ways to keep our employees from leaving and going to the competition.”
Cashman: “I think a hand sanitizer station would make employees feel wanted.”
Boss: “This company has zero tolerance towards Sexual Harassment. We need every employee on board.”
Cashman: “Have you considered hand sanitizer?”
But there not trying to get anybody so relax dude. Plus Boyd isn’t worth Bart Luciano or Ramos. The ceiling on those 3 are too high to give up for a player like Boyd.
Pickle Polisher… Boyd probably won’t be traded. Relax.
5 years from now, make sure you remember that comment. LOL
Lemme guess you think laStella is going to hit 20 homeruns next yr too right?
Who me? I don’t waste a thought on LaStella.
Boyd is probably going to Houston. Tigers get Alvarez, Kemp and James. LOL
Seriously doubt they trade Alvarez the way he’s hit since being promoted.
I don’t know… Avila wants top players for an ace like Boyd. Have you seen how many K’s he has? The guy is a beast.
You’re not getting Yordan Alvarez for Matt Boyd lmfao stop
Rodriguez was a minor league free agent if it’s Derrick you are speaking of
BA prospect lists take into account the level of international free agents they establish 16-17 year olds are the hardest to predict
Look at the Kevin Maiten situation when Braves signed him he was the top international prospect that year and now a guy who was considered a light bat good glove guy has passed him up
Bart is the real deal Ramos continues to creep up the lists Beede seems to be improving
The Giants minor league talent is definitely better than it was expected to be but still a ways off
It’s only going to get better like I said this time next year they should be top 10. Bart , Ramos and Luciano will be in top 25 next yr
I knew they weren’t scouting Boyd, Thanks for clearing that up for me. Lol
If any scouts were in Detroit I would be assuming it was for Castellanos myself
No way Giants are moving any of the prospects for Boyd
It wouldn’t take much to get Castellanos. He could be a decent right handed bat in that lineup. Especially with all those left handed pitchers in LA and San Diego.
Castellenos would be a good fit. Get rid of pillar and Austin. I be ok with that.
Get rid of both Austin’s. Both Suck
Both? Austin Slater is solid. He just needs consistent abs
Solid is overrated. Solid could be good enough or really good. Slater is Kelby solid. Brandon Belt without exaggeration is Solid Good. I wouldn’t call him Brandon Belt Solid good.
Boyd would be the ace on the Yankee staff. Tanaka hammered for 12 runs. OMG!!!!!
Ouch lol 12r in 3inn will destroy your hard work on your era for the year quick.
Jesus Christ I hope Matt Boyd gets traded so I can stop seeing the back and forth between. Melchez and the rest of tiger fans and Pickle. Is this going to go on for another year if he’s not?
I think you’ve drawn the line in the sand now.
The good lord knows you can leave anytime Jbigz12. Were all just guests here.
How about Will Myers? Potential steal. He plays 1B and the outfield.
The Giants have a pedigree as the winningest franchise in the 20 teens. Yes, many guys have performed under par, but the vets are starting to kick in and they know what it takes to win. Posey, Belt, Crawford, Panik, The Panda, and Madbum, are feeling it. While they are older, they are not old.
Pitching and defense are always key in winning. The Giants have one of the best pens in the game, and solid defense especially up the middle. Pillar is simply a great defensive center fielder. Posey’s defense speaks for itself, and Crawford and Panik are solid vets who make very few mistakes.. All this makes for a great potential run to the wildcard.
The rumor now is they are buyers. Grabbing another quality starter is on the radar. and winning a wild card is what the fans want,. Retooling, or rebuilding is not what this team wants and they are proving it.
Madbum in the Wild Card…. money
I strongly feel they’ll keep Bum and look to atleast compete for a spot while at the same time look to extend him. They probably feel, the bullpen would be the easiest to replace with internal guys,so I see them trading Smith for actual prospects. While Watson and Dyson more for major league ready help. Not so much prospects but a Kevin Pillar type deal. At this point it would be more help to find “ready now” reinforcements for than some random low A ball guy who might pan out in 4 or 5 years
Brandon Belt and a low end, young pitching prospect for Justin Smoak and Randal Grichuk. Fair deal?
The giants are in a tough spot. They are 3 games back and are behind 4 teams (3 which they don’t play head to head much) and it took going 17-4 in July up to this point to just get to one game over 500. The math isn’t in their favor and they don’t have the roster to sustain a deep run. Not to mention their farm isn’t really good so how much can they really add ? If they make it it would be amazing and I would be so happy for their am base but imo the giants should sell
Fake news
I’ve been a staunch through thick and thin Giants fan for nearly 40 years. And I believe most real Giants fans would agree. Sell.
Why mortgage the future of the Giants on a deeply flawed team that has almost no chance to advance in the play-offs.
The Giants front office received a boon this year of having the entire back end of the bullpen all having career years. Flip them for high end prospects.
Will Smith and Madbum were voted the #1 and #2 deadline trade commodities by MLBTR. For goodness sake, get as much as you can for them. Madbum would be stoked. No Qualifying Offer attached after the season and he gets traded right into a pennant race.
Or keep them and get nothing.
What’s the hold up?
After getting Dickerson, Yaz, Gott, Solano, Vogt etc.. for literally nothing I am quickly becoming a Farhan believer.. Let him do his thing Giants ownership!