SUNDAY: Beyond just rental players, the Yankees also don’t want to deal Frazier for a pitcher who is only controlled through the 2020 season, as per FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal (video link). This would seemingly remove such popular trade candidates as Toronto’s Marcus Stroman or Cleveland’s Trevor Bauer from consideration in a potential Frazier deal, unless this is a case of the Yankees aiming as high as they can in initial trade talks.
FRIDAY: While the Yankees are willing to discuss young outfielder Clint Frazier in trade talks, Andy Martino of SNY.tv reports that they have no interest in sending him out for a rental player. At least, that’s the word the team is putting out to other organizations at the moment.
Frazier has become a popular topic of discussion in New York since his recent demotion to make way for just-acquired slugger Edwin Encarnacion. Despite slashing a healthy .283/.330/.513 with 11 home runs in 209 plate appearances, Frazier was again dropped back to Triple-A.
It’s not clear that the talented 24-year-old has a path back to a significant role with the Yankees in the near term. With Aaron Judge set to return and Giancarlo Stanton already back in action, the roster is brimming with righty sluggers.
That’s not to say that the Yanks won’t value Frazier. Owner Hal Steinbrenner has spoken highly of the young slugger, though that’s hardly an assurance that Frazier is off limits. The organization is obviously aware of the value of maintaining depth, even if it seems like a bit of a luxury, and Frazier is optionable this season and next.
It still feels like an opportune moment to cash in Frazier, who has hit enough to hold plenty of appeal despite some highly visible defensive miscues and a dust-up with the media. Even if he’s allowed to cross the threshold to his second full year of MLB service, Frazier will be controllable for four more campaigns beyond the present.
Given all the countervailing considerations, the Yankees’ reported position on Frazier makes sense — at this stage of the proceedings, at least. This market’s top rental pieces are perhaps not of overwhelming enough quality to warrant such an outlay. Then again, we have seen even more controllable, higher-end talents shipped out for the right rental scenarios. (The Yanks were notable beneficiaries of just such a swap.) And it’s worth bearing in mind that a few organizations — the Giants, especially, though they could be joined by others — possess multiple intriguing trade assets that could conceivably be packaged together to boost the appeal to the Bronx Bombers. (There’s precedent for that kind of swap, as well.)
Obviously. The Yankees aren’t dumb
Cashman trying to oversell Frazier. He will be traded it’s just going to take others too.
“Oversell’. He’s an elite prospect who hits like an elite prospect and therefore carries elite prospect value. The only people who don’t recognize this are fans of other teams who are afraid of what their GM might surrender for him.
Frazier will command a legitimate ace in return or he won’t be moved. Simple as that.
While I’m a proponent of frazier’s overall value, he’s not exactly a prospect anymore and has shown decidedly non-elite skills in the outfield, denting his overall value. High k rates, low walk rates, potential personality issues. He hit well, and I believe he will be a productive big league hitter, but I’d dispute that Frazier is a consensus “elite” young player.
I agree that he’s no longer a prospect, but I don’t think his defense is significantly decreasing his overall value, which is still very high. He’s too young, there’s plenty of opportunity to fine tune that. Similarly, his bat, K:BB ratio stand to improve with experience.
The media drove the personality issue BS. While he does need to learn to be accountable for his actions (like any young player) and be generally willing to discuss his performance with the media, the whole matter was majorly overblown at the time by butt-hurt reporters.
100 percent agree that the personality issues were massively overblown in reality, I’m just acknowledging that it could be a factor in his evaluation from other clubs, real or not. And, sure, he could and likely will improve with time, but his value would obviously have been higher and his status more “elite” had he played better defense, taken more walks, and struck out less. He’s valuable, no doubt. But he’ll take an extra piece to acquire many of the arms on the market, I’d think.
Yeah, perhaps. I think that his prior injury issues would be the ultimate degradation of his value. I just can’t see 209 ABs this season as having a serious impact on overall value. He also hit 11 HR with a decent BA. Haven’t looked at advanced analytics so not sure where he falls in there but I have to imagine a lot of teams looking to rebuild would salivate at the opp to get a guy like this into their OF mix over the next 5 years. I think any reasonable team would realize that his defense will be fine and his bat will develop further.
Is he an elite prospect? No, he’s not a prospect anymore. So maybe that’s where the elite goes away. But he’s still damned good, young ML caliber hitter with a ton of upside and value.
No arguments there; I think it’s difficult to know exactly how other teams will grade Frazier, but, certainly, he has big value for being young, skilled, and cost-controlled. We’ll see what happens.
As you convientley left out the fact he is the worst defender in the league
Ever here of selling high or selling low? No one is giving a stud with Frazier as the centerpiece. His bat is solid but he’s one injury away from again having little value. He needs to In my view learn 1B because he’ll again hurt himself in the outfield. A team will definitely trade for him but as the 2nd or 3rd piece.
Look into his defense a bit further: he has excellent tools, but bad instincts.
Experience and coaching will likely serve him well to make significant decisions improvements.
Hes never been an elite prospect
All rise… absolutely none of this is true. I don’t even think you could get Stroman for Frazier.
Typical Yankee fool.
you’re just so correct… Frazier for Kluber, Brad Hand and a couple of prospects is fair!!!
I’m not saying Frazier isn’t a solid piece in a trade, but fangraphs has his tools graded out quite different from Yankees fans. blogs.fangraphs.com/prospect-limbo-the-best-of-the…
This was before 2019 season and the defense miscues and the overblown media dismissal.
What’s your idea of “elite”?
Of course. And Clint Frazier clearly belongs in AAA.
Agreed. He is a huge liability on defense. They’d do well, to get a decent rental for him ASAP!!!
They resigned Gardner that was pretty dumb. It worked out okay as the whole team was hurt, but Frazier should have been the starting left fielder going into this year. They overpaid Gardner and should have paid him 3-4 mil. Backup outfielder money.
Who cares how much they paid Gardner? It didn’t prevent them from signing others. I absolutely agree that Gardner shouldn’t be a starter but Frazier showed rust in ST and I think they wanted him to get hot in AAA and then take the job away from Gardner, Hicks, Judge and Stanton getting injured hampered that and forced the issue. I don’t think Frazier has lost any favor but they have options left on him and Maybin was proving to be a better defensive player.
I’m very glad to hear this!!
You think Frazier is? The kid can’t stay in the majors despite an oustanding slash line. Imagine how he might feel on the subject.
He couldn’t stay in the past because he was never really healthy until this year. It’s also hard to stay when you’re an OF who can’t play defense and there are 3-4 other OF who have better bats (Stanton, Judge and occasionally Hicks) and/or can play better defense (Gardner, Hicks).
Also no room really for DH for him with both Encarnacion and Voit.
Some can argue Frazier > Gardner and that’s a valid argument but Gardner is their best base runner and arguably best defensive OFer and he’s more useful to a team like the Yankees who are already loaded with big bats.
The best thing to happen is to win the WS,trade Stanton,put Clint in left.
I’d like to see him play a season without a piano on his back.
Gardner isn’t really much of a baserunner these days, at least insofar as he once was. He’s still fast, sure, but not really an asset these days. Always amazed me that he had the speed he had but was mediocre stealing bases. Probably the single thing that frustrates me most about him.
Gardner’s clubhouse and veteran presence are the reasons he’s still w/ New York.
What is seriously wrong with these Yankees fans that would rather have Clint Frazier in left field over Giancarlo Stanton? Seriously. If you love Frazier so much, get season tickets to the Railriders. I’ll watch Stanton and Judge. You watch Frazier and Amburgey. And who is your trade partner for Stanton, anyway? Teams are looking for low-cost options like Frazier. Package him up with his cleats and and a player to be named later, and ship him off somewhere for a mid-rotation starter. Somewhere where he can grow his hair out again and play meaningless games in September.
When you grow up and start paying your own bills you’ll realize that expensive things are trade offs.
Everyone wants the nicest, most expensive options but when you grow up you have to pick and choose when to go all out and when o go with the less expensive option.
Everyone would prefer Stanton in a vacuum. The question is what would they prefer to do with the money being paid to Stanton. Making the argument that the team is better going with Frazier for under 1 million dollars and using Stanton’s money and trade value to get a really good pitcher is far more reasonable than pretending that fans think Frazier is better or more entertaining.
Going with Frazier over Stanton but then having a starting pitcher that is a legit ace probably makes this team better given the depth of right handed pitching.
The old Dodger, Willie Davis, had blazing speed but was a mediocre base stealer. Gardener in same boat.
Willie Davis was a .279 hitter with 398 stolen bases. Gardner doesn’t even sniff that kind of talent.
Gardner ranks 24th in all of baseball in BsR. His career SB% is over 81 which is literally the same as Billy Hamilton’s career SB%. The league average is usually 71%.
How is he mediocre?
Who’s taking Stanton? Dodgers don’t seem like a fit any longer and he has a no trade.
This is completely hypothetical, because I don’t view this as realistic, but with all due respect what trade value doe Stanton have? We know what he’s owed, and primed to handpick his destination. That’s what we have to reconcile. I’d venture to say he has very little trade value. He’s a star, but in a game where power is so prevalent, what’s the extended draw to attach yourself to that contract. He has 8 years left following this season, entering his age 30 year, and his contract was so backloaded due to Loria having no intention paying it. He’d be 31 when he could potentially opt out with the real money being ~210/7 for a corner OF. Nobody is going to beat that. I don’t see a fit honestly so this all seems mute. I don’t see his destination teams having the interest to fit him into their budget and or giving significant prospects/an Ace. Unless the Yankees eat a significant portion I don’t see it, which seems ludicrous because he’s a star player.
you never get back the full retail value on those expensive things.
Gardner also would have to be DFA to make roster room to keep Clint around which would be a sad way to end his tenure in pinstripes.
I’m sure he wants to be a Yankee but even more he wants to accrue service time and with 3 long terms signings at all 3 outfield positions the poor guy is never going to have a chance as a Yankee.
Cash also has to deal with that other teams know they have to move an outfielder and he’s the only one with value that they’d consider trading (sorry those of you that want Stanton traded). That gives Cashman very little leverage. This idle chatter we are hearing is Cash doing whatever he can to establish a position of leverage. In this case, that’s a tough sell.
Smart move!
I’d like to see the Yankees go out and get SP which I know isn’t easy. I’d like to see some SP under 3 eras. Yankees need to really fix this SP rotation.
I’m also hearing news that Maybin is staying and good for that.
What I’d like to see is Brett Garbage ride off into the sunset. I say make him the 5th outfielder and just let him play maybe once a week or every other week. Basically what I’m saying since many wanna talk about a great clubhouse guy let him be that guy until the end of the year. I still disagree he should have never been brought back and they should have explored other options.. Maybin and Clint deserve to be here. Hopefully soon enough we’ll be done talking about Brett Garbage.
One down one to go so I can watch baseball again.
Greg Bird ERA of being in pinstripe is over
Brett Garbage should be soon
With these two off the team and a few SP editions you will see a WS win soon enough.
We get it. You hate Brett Gardner.
I’ve asked this guy a gazillion times to give me some statistical reasoning why he hates Gardner. He just calls him Brett garbage again, insists he sucks and I know nothing and moves on lol
Not sure if you are trolling or not but if you compare Hicks, Gardner, and Maybin Hicks who is the starter and i believe making more money then them combined is the one that should be the 5th outfielder. Gardner has done better in CF and according to WAR (not best judge i know but does show value) your 6th best player on the team this season and has playoffs experience . Maybin is CF capable but has yet to appear there but agree has an overall better bat than gardner. Hicks is injury prone, expensive, and seems to produce in spurts at the plate. The only thing has going for him really is age.
Depending on where needed I would probably have Gardner as starter if you need cf and then maybin your 4th as he can pinch hit and could play any of spot you need. If you are resting Stanton or Judge i would start Maybin and Hicks would be your 5th of.in either situation.
Please look at Maybins overall history. It lacks consistancy. Ride him while he’s hot, but don’t count on any future years of production.
I agree with you on that.
Right now you are going to have hicks, gardner and maybin though and can only go on whats going on now. After this year, Garnder and Maybin are free agents so not looking for future years production only the rest of this year as i wouldnt expect both back (maybe 1 at best). Also Maybin with more rest might be more productive at this stage of the game like Giambi when he was at the end of his playing career.
If maybin production starts slipping or hicks gets on a tear we can revisit the pecking order and roles. Maybe the Yanks start giving DJ some reps outside the infield and creates more flexibility for future year.
Not very kind considering that Brett has been a very useful outfielder over the years and has helped to win some games with his hitting this year. I guess that in your tribe they leave the old folks out for the wolves when they can’t keep up. Good luck with that. Also, if you scout around a bit you will find that there are just not many pitchers up for trade who have “eras under 3,” and the one or two that might be expendable are very, very expensive.
NY fans are far to often horribly embarrassing idiots.
If I hadn’t moved away as a child it would have probably kept me from ever rooting for my home town teams.
They always hear how smart they are but they too often know nothing about sports and have zero class.
Gardner’s produced 1.4WAR in 70 games this year.
I’d like a tuggy from Mila Kunis. Point being-we don’t always get what we want
This Bret Garbage, he plays for who know?
MARCUS STROMAN
Louie”I havent watched a game this season” Beans strikes again. Take a hike fairweather fool, no one wants to stand near you during playoff games when you make your debut
Your level of intelligence speaks volumes when it’s other people opinions.
Encarnacion and Gardner will both likely not be back next year. He could be the full time left fielder next year if he improves his defense. The bat is real. The NY sports media has been ridiculous to him since day one. He was right to call them on it, he has some maturity issues, but he’s a good kid and plays hard. We can definitely work with that.
It’s funny how athletes are supposed to be fully matured by the time they can legally drink.
Posturing
What are they supposed to say, “Hey we’re giving away Frazier for any offer!”???
I don’t think so. The right rental player could get him, but of course they’ll try to maximize him into something more significant if they are able
Exactly!
Except others know this. Cashman making a statement does change anything.
He’ll be traded for pitching by the deadline.
Totally support this, despite our definite need for an SP upgrade. Would be a huge waste to trade him for a vet rental. Stroman/Bauer a different situation.
Marcus Stroman will not be a rental. One year after this year.
Marcus Stroman is not worth Clint Frazier. Stroman would barely be a #2 in most other organizations, and he’d be a #3 in The Bronx
Too bad the jays, and the rest of baseball, doesn’t agree with that assessment.
A #2 or #3 would be quite a haul for Frazier.
That’s at most what you get for Frazier,a number 3. To get a 2, add two more similar prospects. A 1? A can’t miss starter two years out, another top arm and Frazier. To trade for less, you don’t know what you’re getting. Sonny Gray or N. Eovaldi.
Giants asking price for Bum is unreal anyways. He probably wont sign an extension with any other team other than the Giants, and he isnt the same pitcher that he was years ago. He is still a postseason stud but hes not the dominant pitcher that you would unload the farm for.
It’s been three years since the Giants have been in the playoffs, so I’m not sure anyone can categorically say MadBum is “still a postseason stud.”
yes true but i figured id show respect for Bum so giants fans dont crucify me.
Why should they crucify you if you are telling the truth and they are truly fans….his last success both regular and post season is a LONG time ago….and he’s certainly not pitching like an Ace….when Sale got traded, he was and commanded the return from the RedSox that he got….so far, and just ask the Dodgers who he just pitched against, if he’s still Elite!
If the Giants insist on a unrealistic return, they can keep him….just another Panda on their roster.
You beat me to it…
What’s their asking price?
not sure the exact prospect package they are asking for but say goodbye to 2-3 top notch guys from rumors ive been hearing…all for half a season of a pitcher in decline. As soon as the Giants said Keston Huira’s name, the brewers GM hung up
So you’re saying the Giants were asking Huira for Bumgarner? I don’t think the club that has the guy is the one asking, more like the Giants listening to offers makes more sense. Now package Mad bum and Will Smith together, you might see a nice return for the two of them.
Thats what i meant. No deal would have gotten done if Huira was not involved is what i should have said, which is unreal. We all know hes re-signing with the Giants as soon as hes a FA
The way Bum is pitching right now merits him a number 3 starter. He’s definitely not the ace he was a few years back. If he’s smart he will just extend his contract for another club friendly deal and help the young kids develop, I would be surprised if the front office got a good package for his services. He has three rings and doesn’t have to prove anything anymore. Let him wash up with his franchise club. I’m a Giants fan and will always be grateful for the rings, but just keeping it real.
The Yankees aren’t stupid. Why trade such a top notch young cost controlled talent for a rental ? It’s common sense
Because without another SP they dont win the world series.
Ehhh “top notch”, debatable
Why is it debatable? How many other 24 year olds have shown his type of offensive production overall? All the guys you’ll mention are all considered “top notch” so why not apply the same adjective to Frazier?
Also how was his defense regarded in the minors, prior to last year’s concussions? Let’s not forget he’s still a kid adjusting to that.
Hey Big-jm….just another bunch of “experts” on a player that they neither follow, or see on a regular basis…they’re just going by other posters!
This site is full of them!
Ok, enjoy your “top notch” corner OF that’s in AAA. Look forward to seeing what the Yankees get for him. Guarantee you will be disappointed in the return. Everyone outside of NY understands this. Throw Andujar in the same category.
Ya, because Cashman is known for giving away top prospects for disappointing returns lol,
NY’s system has been really thinned out via trade/call ups recently but there is certainly enough talent to get a rental without trading Frazier. Florial could be dangled or a combination of some other guys. They aren’t stocked with a bunch of prospects anymore though.
The way the Yankees are in love with Bret Gardner I’d trade Florial and Clint and if I’m Clint I ask to be traded that kids has done everything asked!
Derp
No man…. just. plain. no.
Bauer is a head case. Please no Bauer.
Yes, only choir boys and Boy Scouts could make it in NY…
Bauer in the Bronx would certainly be very interesting lol
They don’t need another 2/3 starter they have enough of those. That’s what Stroman, Bumgarner, etc. are. Just wait for the offseason and go for a true ace like Cole or trade for Scherzer/Bauer.
It’s highly likely they’d get outbid for Scherzer or Bauer. If Houston,LA, or Atlanta wants them the Yanks have no chance of competing with their prospect depth. I can’t imagine the Yankees get anything but a rental starter unless it’s a guy like Stroman.
ITLL BE STROMAN
Not necessarily true. Prospect depth isn’t the only factor. If the Nats want to unload Scherzer and the $60 million he’s due … fewer teams can absorb the whole of it. For example .. the As or Padres might have some great prospects.. but will want the Nats to pay some of Scherzers contract… the Yankees may offer less prospects but take all the contract clearing payroll for the Nats. It all depends what they’re looking for. Now the Yankees would have to empty the farm AND pay the full amount… but they could make that kind of move with the young core they have.
Get ready to unload every prospect in your system if you go the Max route, especially with team control
He’s literally making $70 million the next 2 seasons. That’s market value. It will cost a lot for Max for sure , but it won’t cost as high if the Yankees take on the full contract (which I don’t see happening). I don’t think Nats are trading Max anyway.
Scherzer will never have a higher value than he does this year.
The $$$ on his contract may be market value, but the years are not – if he were a FA you’d be overpaying (potentially) by needing to tack on declining years to get the deal done. That savings and reduced risk has some value.
Getting a second year of team control adds value to the rental next year would be.
Also a matter of supply and demand. The dearth of FA studs out there, and perceived number of teams that have that as their biggest hole to push over the top…
Do the nats trade him? Nobody knows. SHOULD they trade him? Absolutely. Phillies have talent that needs to pull it together (expect big changes with a few tweaks.) Atl is ascendant with a stocked farm and lots of payroll flexability, particularly with those team friendly deals.
Wash is a win-now team that isn’t able to get results. After getting basically zero for harper, they can’t do the same with Max. Time to jumpstart the rebuild while the selling is good.
makes complete sense. he iw obviously worth more then a rental.
Unless they move Frazier for a pitcher the EE trade made no sense. With that said if they move him for a pitcher then it would at least make some sense.
I’m not a Yankees fan or a Blue Jays fan, but the Yankees got Frazier (and Sheffield) for Justin Miller.
I see a year and a half of Stroman for four and a half years of Frazier a fair deal.
*Andrew Miller* Frazier isn’t enough alone to get Stroman.
Yeah. The Jays are going to get a package for Stroman. Going to take Deivi Garcia, Loaisaga etc. type secondary pieces to get that done. Jays need outfielders and pitching and that is what the Yankees have in the minors.
They arent trading Deivi for Stroman
3 guys who are top 100 prospects for Marcus Stroman? That’s an overvalued if I’ve ever seen one.
Loasiaga and Deivi are split whether they’re top 100 guys but I certainly didn’t mean the pair of them. Stroman is not going to be free. And Loasiaga and Garcia are both 5’9 slight framed right handers. Loaisiaga has never even thrown 100 innings in a season. Both those guys could be relievers long term..
Check that. Neither one of them has topped 80 innings in a season and Loaisiga is 24 pushing 25. I’d expect one to go for Stroman. Probably loaisiga given his age.
Wow, big overpay for Stroman…what has he won in the past and did we miss a Cy Young here somewhere…..not saying he’s garbage, but let’s not play him up to be a Sale or Verlander….
Let’s not pretend a 165 lb RH who hasn’t topped 80 innings in a season and is pushing 25 years of age is equivalent to Yoan Moncada or Michael Kopech either.
What are you talking about “5’9″ slight framed”? You do realize Stroman is even smaller than that, right?
Correct. Stroman isn’t your typical big league pitcher and most guys that size do not cut it. Stro would be an anomaly. And Loaisiaga has proven to not be durable at all. The man has never tossed more than 80 innings in a season.
Andrew Miller
Thanks for the Justin Miller correction. I’m not sure why anyone would have Justin Miller on the brain.
Not a fan of Stroman, he is Sonny Gray 2.0 in pinstripes. Lots of Yankee fans love him because of the NY roots and the fact he induces a ton of ground balls but he is an up and down pitcher that honestly is not an ace and at best is a second on decent staff. I wouldn’t give up Frazier plus for him. I have a feeling like I did with Sonny Gray that he isn’t the answer.
I agree this off season we can go after Cole. We also have Severino on the mend.
When Severino comes back answer me who is sitting if we traded for Stroman anyways?
Toronto would want a haul of prospects from the Yanks.
There are only two pitchers I love that might be available and that I would consider dealing Frazier plus prospects for.
Scherzer and Bauer.
Cleveland may not want Frazier back anyways, they may want Florial and few prospects for Bauer.
Washington will want a huge haul that may not be smart for the Yanks seeing how pitchers are soo volatile and we need our depth which we all witnessed with the injuries this season.
I am on the keep Frazier bandwagon because I see a kid that is exciting to watch, has a nice fast swing, and will be a productive major leaguer and threat in the middle of a lineup.
His defense will improve with his athleticism. He belongs in left field even though he loves center.
Keep him. We will need him next year when we let Gardy retire plus Hicks is a huge question mark going forward.
If he’s at best a no. 2 on a decent staff, does that make him a 1+ on the yankees?
Come on man….not even admitting he’s a 2, and no he would not be a 1+ on the Yankees….
He’s actually at best a 2 on many staffs but he’s definitely no ace and he’s closer to being a 3 or 4 to be honest. How’s that sound?
Then they won’t get a SP then no team should accept nothing less than Frazier in return
The Yankees do whatever they want. And other teams just let them. Brian Cashman is the toughest gm out there.
Theyll get pitching help
Reds have Tanner Roark whos a FA at end of the year, Mariners have Mike Leake.
More expensive options are Boyd from Detroit who would love Frazier as part of the deal. Caleb Smith of the Marlins, Max Scherzer where Frazier would line up perfectly with Robles and Soto in the OF.
Yankees could pony up pieces to get Scherzer. Frazier and Estrada would be good pieces included in any deal for Scherzer. Yankees don’t have much in terms of prospect capital but im sure they could offer a good package in bulk, but not an elite one.
Wonder how long till Cashman trades Frazier for a rental player…….Rumors put out on the web usually end up happening 180 degrees opposite than what they say.. Time will tell.
Wait until the trade deadline. Frazier is a average player not a super star they thought he once will be. Yanks are not in desperate mode so they can wait until a deal falls in their lap. Do the Yanks need to make a trade? NO they can wait it out. If he stays next year he takes Gardners place as a platoon LF.
Only way yankees can get anyone is if they pay them, thats the only way they know how. The issue this year for them though, is they are at the luxury tax threshold and don’t want to go over.
Therefore, they cant pay anyone they are going to have to get a star player thats cheap with a lot of control remaining.
Only way to get this is through a trade, in which yankees have to give up players/prospects. The problem is yankees are trying to win that trade on paper with surplus values etc, and 9x out 10 they have to give up a whole lot more value in prospects away than the math says they should. Only way it usually pays off is if they win the world series because of it.
Look at the Verlander trade. On paper, the astros got bent over. Verlander had no surplus value as he was already getting paid his worth at 30+MM/YR. Yet the astros had to give up their #1 propsect, F Perez, their previous year 1st rounder and top 100 Daz Cameron, and Jake Rogers the C who was the #3 overall catcher in the minors. The tigers got all of that even with Verlander having no surplus value.
On paper the astros got screwed, but after the trade they won their 1st world series and got the last laugh, and made the trade 10x more valuable to the org than the math nerds said it shouldve been.
If the Yankees are going to want a controllable star player they are going to have to give up a lot more than the astros did. Not just Clint Frazier whose clock started in 2017 and is about to hit arb, and esteban florial who can’t stay healthy like they are trying to do.
My guess is they end up paying someone big league and taking the tax burden from the luxury tax threshold because thats the only way they know how to win.
First off you are severely brain-damaged. How Steinbrenner said at the owners meetings last week two reporters for the right starting pitcher he has no issues going into the next level of the luxury tax. Secondly and probably most importantly you in your infinite stupidity said the Yankees can only get good players by paying them? Explain to me then Aaron Judge,Didi, Gary Sanchez, Gleyber Torres,, Miguel Andujar, Luke Voit,, Luis Severino just to name a few. Do us all a favor before you run off at the mouth please sync with whatever little brain you have in there. #YankeesHatersMakeMeLaugh
You are a bimbo. Are you brain dead? MLB trade rumors just came out with an article 2 days ago saying the yanks won’t spend money and want to trade for a controllable player so they don’t go over the 2nd luxury tax hurdle. Don’t be dumb as a box of rocks….read, learn something.
Guru, 1) Hal Steinbrenner is on record saying that he will go over the last luxury tax threshold, 2) Houston paid $10MM + prospects for Verlander, and 3) read before you accuse other posters of not reading.
*Detroit paid Houston
You are a buffoon. I’ve forgotten more about this than you know. tigers got rid of 30 million and only paid a little to Astros and still got there too 3 prospects. Like I said earlier, Yankees only know how to win if they buy a player. Astros do it without having the luxury to just right a check. Yankees won’t be able to get much more than a rental for Frazier. He’ll be a throw in piece at best…..they have treated him terribly and screwed over his career I don’t blame him for having attitude towards his team as they obviously don’t have his best interest in mind.
Verlander was the runner up for the Cy Young in 2016 and had a career ERA of 3.47, before that trade. The Tigers paid Detroit $8MM/year for 3 years. They netted the Astros (not MLB’s) 3, 9, and 11 prospect, NOT their top 3. I think you prefer to yell that you know things without actually knowing them, because you’re extremely wrong.
2016? Lol Wrong again. You do know the trade want in 2016 don’t you haha. Verlander had an era in. Mid 4s when he was traded. Learn about the game before you try come correct people. K thanks
The trade was in 2017.
What year comes before that?
Oh, it’s 2016, and you should delete your account.
Frazier for Raisel Iglesias straight up
Only trade Frazier – who is going to be a 30 HR, 90 – 100 RBI player – for a good, young, controllable starter. Not Stroman or MadBum.
Good luck with that southpaw…
You just described Stroman though…
If he can stay healthy, he’s always injured and his D is complete butt cheese. He will end up getting hurt, landing on the DL for tripping over his own feet trying to catch a routine flyball.
Here a trade thought not including Clint.
Yanks send Estrada, Florial, and German to Cleveland for Bauer.
I would do this deal.
Why would they trade German? Please put down the crack pipe.
Why wouldn’t they if they are getting Bauer? Wtf are you smoking?
Terrible idea. No one would trade away a young controllable starter like German
You Yankee fans dont want a rental…no problem, we’ll throw in a real 1b in Brandon Belt into a deal for Bumgarner and our lefty closer Will Smith. You want another reliever, take what you want except for Moronta. We’ll even take Gardner off your hands. All we want is Clint Frazier and add in either Bird or Andujar and we got a frickin deal!!!
what type of weed did you smoke before writing this?
That’s not that bad of a deal for the Yankees at all. For a giants fan to propose it it’s surprising. It’s a fantasy trade but they get Belt, Moronta, Smith, and Bum for Frazier, Gardner, and Bird. They’d give up nothing interesting except Frazier. And belt would be a 1B/DH platoon option maybe occasionally spot start in the OF
for the next couple of years. He’s overpaid but the money isn’t crazy to get all that. Belt’s a much better player if you get him out of Oracle park too. Be hard to fit him on the roster this year but EE is a FA at seasons end.
Giants can get a better deal by just trading Smith. Why the giants don’t trade him now that his value is at the highest point makes no sense. They could get areal prospect for Smith. Madbum value is going down not up. They over played the cost and now just a Frazier for madbum is fair. Frazier is a platoon power hitter. He needs to hit left handed pitching to have the value that yank fans thing he has.
Belt is an overpaid firstbasemen they yanks have no need for.
That is the lamest attempt at a scouting report I’ve ever seen.
You are allowed to read up on players before you start typing and make yourself look like a fool.
Belt is a gold glove caliber 1b, which Yanks dont have. Dont need to worry about his bat. I would give a 2nd reliever like Dyson but keeping Moronta as our future closer. Think would be a very fair deal.
Voit’s defense has improved a lot this season
Belt to the Yankees is one of the worst ideas I’ve ever heard.
He wouldn’t even play and Ford has AAA covered.
Lmao.. the yankees do not want Brandon Belt.. they have Voit and Encarnacion, both much better players.
I was generally trying to be tongue in check about the concept of not wanting a rental. Giants have plenty of non-rentals to go along with Bumgarner was the cheeky idea. I’m happy with a Bum and Will Smith for Frazier and Bird. I would take a Brett Gardner if it gets that deal done. Belt as a Yankee would be more productive than you Yankee fans think. Defense and pitching build championships and our Giants have three of those since your last Yankee one..
Smith and Madbum for Frazier and Wade.
Frazier for Mike Minor
Frazier and 2 or 3 prospects to Tigers for Boyd and Greene.
be more specific. Listing only 1 of 3-4 players doesnt say much. Its a No as is.
in order to get greene is the mlb saves leader with a sub 1 era, and Matt boyd is the top 5 sp this year according to war the tigers are going to have to get a ton from yankees.
Boyd has 3 years of control too which makes him even more valuable. In order for yanks to get Boyd and the save leader greene, they would have to give up Frazier, Florial, Andujar, and Loaisiga.
Nah Yankee fans want to offer Frazier Estrada and C Adams. Let’s trade spare parts for a blossoming #2SP with 3.5 yrs of control.
What’s Boyd’s track record look like?
Oh, that’s right: it’s horrific.
I don’t have the Yankees farm system memorized, so I was just following the basic format of MLB trades for the sake of discussion. Stymedome, figure it out yourself, I don’t work for you. I like the Gurus suggestions, if the Yankees are in “win now” mode, it could be plausible and do well to bolster their rotation and bullpen.
I wonder if I am the only Yankees fan who got what they’re trying to say. They say they are not open to trading him for a “rental“. A rental would be someone in the final year of their contract. But what about someone that still has a couple years of control? Like a starter with maybe a couple of club options? I think this is where the Yankees are going with this they are telling teams “if you want this kid we want a starter of yours we can have beyond 2019“.
The Blue Jays need a CF. They are currently without one. Teoscar Hernandez and Randal Grichuk are filling the void, both quite scary out there.
Last I checked Clint Frazier wasn’t a CF. Unless the Jays are sold on Teoscar I do not see the Yankees being a fit for a Stroman trade. They would have to trade an OF of their own as they will (most likely) run Gurriel, Hernandez, Grichuk, McKinney and Anthony Alford out there next year. I believe CLINT could be better than every one of those guys. I just don’t see this weak front office pushing those OFs out of town.
Had the Jays not extended Grichuk to what appears to be an awful deal thus far, I’d say Frazier would be in-play.
Yankees have no SPs. I’m surprised Baltimore isn’t ahead of you. Enjoy 1st while you can because you will NOT make the playoffs
HAHAHA Oh man, you are an IDIOT
Of course that’s what they’re going to SAY.
Must be nice to be able to send down a player with a .843 OPS!
Judge isn’t an all star this year mlb needs to fix the selection process
I feel bad for the kid. He can’t seem to break into the majors and stay there despite outstanding production. He has to be wondering what else he has to do.
Right!? Hope everyone keeps telling him that his demotions are only due to the fact that the Yankees have too many dang OFs and he’s the only OF with options. Because that’s the dang truth.
Ask for a trade
Overvaluing him a lot. Reminds me of Ells. Good luck with that.
Yankees know they are going to have a quick 2019 exit. Will be lucky to get past the wild card game with the SPs they have now. At least they’ll have a LF option next year with Frazier still around.
Should’ve told Frazier to learn 1B so the Yankees didn’t have to trade for EE. It was cheap trade for EE who is certainly the better hitter (veteran) and has a serviceable glove (surprising, I know). However, Frazier’s value is now lowered post EE trade.
I think that people should learn to trust cashman. He always has something up his sleeve, something unexpected , something that represents the Yankees well.
I never doubt the guy because every time he makes a move that is so under the radar and us as Yankee fans are saying “what the hell is this guy doing“ by the end of the season we are saying “what a shrewd move that move was“. All the Yankee haters can hate all they want but the bottom line is they would all kill for their team to have a general manager like Brian Cashman
Yankees and Cashman must be winning World Series every year…boy I’m jealous…
Overrated
I can see Frazier and Loáisiga to the Tigers for Boyd as a good possibility.
going to need alot more than that. Will have to add in florial, and maybe even andujar. Reason is Boyd is on pace for 7 war this year and he has 3 years of control left which makes him even more valuable.
Maybe they met Oil Can Boyd.
i do love new York!
What idiot would buy high on a guy with a career ERA of ~5?
Maybe the guru played by Mike Myers, because that character was an idiot.
why are you mad? haha. Just stating facts, and you are being emotional. Are you a MRS or MR.
Hoping the Nats fall way out of it and reconsider Scherzer. Package Frazier, Florial, + and take on the rest of the contract. Scherzer is a difference maker and just what NY needs
The nationals have Juan Soto and Victor Robles in their Outfield. Eaton also though he could be dealt. They definitely don’t want Frazier and Florial back.
My question is if it makes more sense to trade Stanton.
Frazier isn’t as good of course but it frees up a lot of cap space and gets up out of the last year or two potentially being dead money.
They are collecting too many guys who are marginal in right field and who shouldn’t play left in Yankee Stadium.
No one is taking Giancarlo Stanton for 200 million dollars. Nor is Giancarlo Stanton waiving his no trade clause. Stanton will be a Yankee for his entire contract or they’ll eventually release him if (when) the decline starts before it’s up.
If I ever need help from the psychic friends network I’ll give them a call.
If you ever have a logical argument to present I’ll throw a party.
Does anyone ever accept your unsupported opinions as valuable pieces of information? Are you somehow connected enough that your opinions mean ANYTHING at all?
Lol Enjoy the 200 million dollar man he’s not going anywhere. The Yankees know that. They knew that the day they traded for the guy who turned down STL and has a full NTC. You don’t have to accept reality but it’s reality.
jbigz, dead on
I’ll take that as an “of course not”
Whatever you need to tell yourself…. Owed 200 million dollars and has played 5 games this year. He will be 30 next season and is under contract until he’s 38. He’ll soon be leaving his prime and getting paid like an in prime player. He’s failed to stay healthy during his prime years. I’m not a Yankee hater more than the next guy but facts are facts. This was the best deal Jeter and Co. have made so far to get rid of that poison pill. The Yankees are a team that can afford to swallow it though.
How about you provide us a trade partner that would take on Stantons salary, injury concerns, dwindling ability to play the outfield, and of course the NTC?
GIants, Padres and maybe the DIamondbacks.
Do you really think Zaidi has any interested in that? Seriously? The Giants are a dumpster fire. Stanton vetoed a trade already, because they are in no means better off than even the Marlins now. Not to mention how far up they are against future payroll for underperforming vets. The list of bloated contracts (Longo, Crawford, Belt, Melancon, Samardzjia, etc.). Posey and Cueto round out the reason why the Giants will be in a huge hole before they let things run their course. The DBacks just traded a superstar, because of his age and the fact they weren’t willing to match his potential upcoming contract. They have an aging ultra expensive quirky SP, with his own NTC list, they can’t seem to unload and find proper value/a market for. Let’s not even start on the Padres, basically be a kiss of death to their rebuild efforts before the window actually opens. And that’s just from the Padres side, without acknowledging Stanton’s wishes. I can only imagine Preller walking into a meeting noting managements willingness to allocate money for Machado and Hosmer, who was a complete gaff after he straddled himself with Myers, and asking for another 150 M+ contact. His willingness to wave his NTC was clear at the time; Yankees, Dodgers, Red Soxs, & Cubs. What’s changed?
Listed you have 2 smart value driven GMs and Preller. Listing teams that may love to bring Stanton on doesn’t deal with the most important factors rendering that list further from reality.
How do people get this stupid?
Am I really on a baseball board where people are pretending a player like Stanton can’t be traded?
Those are teams in places Stanton would consider and those are teams that would consider him.
I’m not here to have a battle of psychic powers with children and I can’t imagine anything I care less about than convincing anyone about where a player might be traded or if he is tradable.
Every player is tradable and anyone who doubts that should avoid me.
I don’t disagree emac. However, trading Stanton will be extremely difficult given the no-trade clause and his yearly salary over the next 6000 years.
It would take an AL team with some serious stones, and perhaps no care in the world when it comes to money, to make that kind of deal.
Why would the Padres want Stanton? They have a logjam in the corner OF positions as it is. And even if they were interested Stanton would never approve a trade there.
You can’t trade Stanton because of the NTC. He won’t go to a bad situation and that’s the only team taking him. The giants could give the Yankees 80 million dollars of bad contracts back and make it a salary dump for a small prospect but there’s no way he wants to go play for a rebuilding Giants team. The D’backs are a laughable suggestion they wouldn’t extend Goldy let alone grab a guy like Stanton. He also doesn’t strike me as a guy who wants to play in Arizona. He wouldn’t even play in STL…. The Padres aren’t going to tie up 200 million dollars for a corner outfielder when they already have too many of those.
Face the reality. Stanton has to be agreeable and that kills any possibility. There were only a handful of teams on him after he won an MVP. He blocked trades to 2 of them. He’s a going to be a Yankee for a long time. Best case scenario he’s still productive like EE is at DH and you can eat 80% of his salary like the Mariners did 6 years from now.
Oh they’ll trade him. Just trying to put a high value on him. Cashman always does this.
and he is wise for doing so
Epstein could learn something from the Yankees.
ChiSoxCity you’re definitely an odd duck. You trash the Yankees every chance you get, but here you are on a Yankees article bringing up Theo. Was mommy who left you in that dumpster a Cubs fan?
The Yankees don’t trade top prospects for rentals. Obviously I’m referencing Torres… remember him? That was one of THE dumbest trades I have ever seen the cubs make. Only the cubs would trade an elite prospect for 32 innings from a CLOSER. A. CLOSER. They got a ring out of it… so what. They could have traded Torres for a controllable closer. They could have re-signed Chapman, the top closer in the game. No, they decided to let him go back to the…lol, Yankees…hahaha. Theo is nothing but a Simp. lol. I bet him takes bubble baths. cubs fans are either too dumb, or too high on the koolaid to care about poor decisions that may have cost them a shot at a repeat. Chapman gets the cubs to at least two or three WS appearances after 2016.
“They got a ring out of it… so what.”
And there went any potential credibility.
Boyd is starting his decline just like I said. He’s not a pitcher to pick up
Thinking Kevin Gausman for Clint Frazier straight up, or throw in Aaron Hicks if Yankees want payroll relief.
Gausman is awful, why would the Yankees even consider him?
Let us know when the brain fog clears for you!
Seriously? I mean, yes, asap for Atlanta, but there’s no way in hell NYY does that trade.
Thank goodness there’s an update. I was terrified that this “story” would disappear into the abyss of actual stories.
If the Yankees need a bullpen stud besides Will Smith from the Giants, how about Reyes Moronta? He’s cheap, controllable, young and an absolute stud.
MadBum I believe would still be a great addition to any pitching staff looking to go deep into October. Bumgarner is a October pitcher. No stage is too big or lights too bright for Bumgarner.
Ya Giants fans keep pushing that narrative because it’s clear he isn’t an ace anymore. Of course it could also be he isnt the same post season god anymore either.
Come on all you contenders, spin the wheel and take your chances.
“Beyond just rental players, the Yankees also don’t want to deal Frazier for a pitcher who is only controlled through the 2020 season, as per FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal”
I gathered two things from this:
1) Yankees aren’t going to give up players they value
2) Yankees aren’t as serious about winning as they have been in the past
We can exclude the Yanks from any World Series discussion. If you disagree, it means you haven’t thought this through.
Bingo
What I get from this, if taken at Cashman’s word, is that Frazier is staying put. No one is going to pay an elite price for a non-elite player, no matter how well he hits. One-dimensional players don’t bring back big returns. And even if his defense, and SO and BB rates improve, as Yankee fans claim they will, then that’s a matter far down the road. I don’t see GMs paying big on the assumption that he’ll become a better all around ball player.
But bat speed /s
Don’t understand why you would say they’re not serious about winning….last year they won 100 games, and this year who knows.
Basically, the Yankees are saying they aren’t stupid and won’t make a trade involving a player they believe is part of their future for a rental pitcher this year….makes perfect sense to a Yankees fan….and stop thinking you are all that you think you are with the comment about into thinking this through….don’t think Cashman is calling you before pulling any triggers involving players!
From what we’ve seen, you do not understand much. Not sure what you think I think about myself nor do I care what you think I think about myself.
Here’s what I do know; no organization has squandered more opportunities since 2001 than the New York Yankees. Since 2001 they have been the Atlanta Braves. For all the talent they have traded for or spent money on, they have 1 title to show for. This is certainly their year unless they do not address pitching. Clint Frazier has very little future in New York with Judge, Stanton and Hicks under contract. So either approach the deadline with a Take-No-Prisoners approach, or get ready to lose to Houston again.
New York Braves has a good ring to it….
People shouldn’t be sleeping on the Red Sox pitching in a 5 game series. I love when Yankees homers talk like its a definite Frazier’s defense will improve, the guy was drafted as an outfielder for Christ’s sake. Don’t banter with this guy, because I think he just might be too simple for the task.
Steven – Watching Boston this weekend, dropping the 5th starter and potentially their #4 would make them much stronger and very dangerous if they win the WC game. They could have Sale and Price still take care of 4 of the 5 games in the ALDS. I agree with you 100%.
Do they have enough to get Stroman or Bauer then?
theyre the yankees, they will fond a way. (also, the Indians are probably cheap enough to consider Bauer as simply a salery dump)
The economics of baseball are very unfair. The Yankees have many more people to draw from and a local TV contract that pays a great deal more than small market teams like Cleveland. Cleveland will not do a salary dump on Bauer. Yankee fans always want something for nothing.
I think we need to run baseball according to the the classical approach of “from each according to their ability, to each according to their need.” It isn’t fair for one team to make more money just because they’re more popular and successful. Big marker teams like the Mets and the Cubs have dominated baseball for too long.
No they wouldn’t, theres literally almost no reason to trade bauer just for salary relief.
Tough talk, think they’d deal him for Bauer in a heartbeat
Another comment from somebody that is Cashman’s first call before pulling the trigger on a trade!
Sweet post man…not like we’re all playing armchair GM here or anything..
I’m not. I prefer to play fake ken rosenthal.
It will take more than Frazier to get Bauer. If Cleveland trades Bauer, there will be more teams bidding for him. Also they can wait to the off season if they don’t get what they want. Starting pitching is more valuable than an outfielder with defensive concerns.
You’re talking about Bauer as if he is repeating last years production but he isnt. He’s back to reproducing a no.3 starters numbers.
Bauer is still a stud, who elevates the pitching staff around him. Clevinger, Bieber, and now Plesac have all grown under Bauer’s mentorship.
He can pitch every 4 days. He can throw 120 pitches without breaking a sweat. He’s the perfect postseason workhorse. All of that is valued even if his numbers are worse than last year.
Getting Bauer for half of 2019 and all of 2020 is going to cost you premium talent
Play him or trade him
As a Giant’s fan I see this as good news. The Yankees don’t want rentals like Smith and Bum, and I don’t want Frazier and his questionable glove patrolling the vast outfield at Oracle Park.
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If passing on a “rental” player means a shot at wining the 2019 World Series then good luck Yankees.
You’re not winning the World Series this year. Probably Astros vs. Dodgers this year.
Yankees don’t get “MadBum the rental” for some nobody scrub like Frazier then good luck.. not a single player on that team with Bumgarner’s stature. Stupid to not trade for him.
Yankees just took 3 out of 4 against the Astros. So yes they can beat them.
MadBum just got hammered by the Dodgers.
You picked a poor time to make your point.
There’s never a bad time to whine about the Yankees.
Don’t see the Yanks trading Frazier now, he will be the leftfielder next year. If the Yanks land a pitcher at the deadline it will be for Florial, Estrada, and a minor league pitcher. If Severino and German come back they will be set for the playoffs.
Left Fielder you nuts? Bret Garbage has that spot until he’s 50.
Then make peace with it and stop whining.
When he’s off the team I will.
Nick Markakis, meet your replacement.
I have a hard time believing that they wouldn’t deal Frazier for Bauer.
I have a hard time believing Cleveland would accept a package where Frazier is the headliner
How about this headline instead.
Clint Frazier asks the Yankees to be traded!
That’s what I’d do if I were him. How the F do you send him down?
Ask to be traded young man
Anyway we trade Brett Garbage instead of Frazier?
A lot here seem to not mind Gardner in LF and think he’s outstanding. So why not trade him? Since he’s got great WAR and numbers.
Amazing, might as well just hold on till he is old and worthless and then let him walk for salary relief.
They will get an elite pitcher for farm scraps; because that is how their season is going. Elite player hits DL? No problem. Scrap heap fill-in will hit like an MVP during his absence.
Frazier can easily become another Michael Brantley with a little fine tuning. Signing Gardner for this year served more a roadblock than acquiring Encarnacion. That was always going to be a problem with Clints playing time.
It would be hilarious if Cleveland got him back
Frazier is one of the few non MLB ready rostered chips Cash has left……I know it, you know it, my dog knows it, the yanks know it and even the rest of the poorly run MLB teams knows it…
Therefore cash may have to do the unthinkable and actually pay market price for a difference making SP. not Happ. not Jamie Garcia, not Lance Lynn, not sonny gray or some other cheap non difference maker.
time to open up the vault and seize the moment. The pen and sticks deserve it
They’ll trade for a Lance Lynn type and the dummies will do what they do best..JUSTIFY. Then when they lose in the playoffs it’ll be crickets around here, but you and I will know.
This team could have upgraded for cash and nothing more then cash. Hows both the Yankees and their fan didn’t see the rotation problems. Their lack of SP goes back many years.
the 3 of us are pretty consistent and time after time our concerns about the SP and Gardy are proven valid. yet there are still folks thinking “Keep Calm and Carry On”. They just forget that if not for the US (in this case the stud SP) the UK would be a part of western German border……..
Frazier is very valuable to the Yanks. He’s the starting LFer next year when Gardy either leaves/retires/takes a lesser role. Frazier-Hicks-Judge and Stanton at DH. And let’s b honest we r talking about borderline #2s or #3s for Frazier. Don’t blame Cashman for not being interested