At the recent owners’ meeting, Yankees boss Hal Steinbrenner chatted about the summer trade period, as David Lennon of Newsday was among those to report. Unsurprisingly, Steinbrenner made clear he expects starting pitching to be the focus for the Yanks now that slugger Edwin Encarnacion is in the fold. But his most interesting comments were related to the team’s financial approach.
Notably, the top organizational decisionmaker expressed some willingness to consider deals that’d put the team into a higher luxury tax bracket. Estimates put the Yanks at about $15MM of salary (as calculated for competitive balance tax purposes) shy of the $246MM payroll line, at which point a team would pay 62.5% tax on spending over the first luxury line and see its next top draft choice fall by ten spots.
Steinbrenner says he’d okay a decision that triggers those penalties, “if I really felt we needed that deal, that it takes us over the top.” That’s a bit of a different position than was enunciated recently by GM Brian Cashman, who indicated that the team wass “trying to stay under the second luxury tax penalty” when it capped its offer to free agent starter Dallas Keuchel.
That’s not to say that Steinbrenner necessarily expects to need to make such a call. He noted that the club has “a decent amount of cushion” before it’d reach the top tax bracket. That’s true, though there are certainly some high-end players who’d be of potential interest that would require the Yanks to do some soul-searching — or find creative means of shedding other salary.
If you don’t want to take on money, you typically have to give up good young talent. The Yankees’ current roster is loaded with bats, leading many to wonder whether outfielder Clint Frazier will be dangled. Steinbrenner said he believes Frazier has a “great career a head of him” and expects the youngster to be “a big part of this team going forward,” though he certainly also left conceptual room for a deal.
toptekjon
Love Hal Steinbrenner. I think he has all of his fathers best qualities, but very few of the bad ones. Aggressive, but intelligent about it and leaves emotions out of his decision making. Couldn’t ask for a better owner!
Dgmilazz
So sick of Yankees fans complaining Hal doesn’t spend enough. I love that Hal puts his faith in Cashman. Sure George might have spent more than Hal but would we have Didi, DJL, Hicks, and Voit on the team if he were still around? Nope.
Cashman is a great GM. When he finds the guy he wants to make the move for, he will and Hal will let him.
OilCanLloyd
If George was around, you’d have more championships. Dude was ruthless. Hal is affable.
DrLava
having hicks on your team is not a good thing. when cashman gave him a 7 year extension that was one of the worst moves any gm has ever made. hes one of the worst hitters in the league right now.
cashman is a good gm, but he has made just as many bad deals as he has good ones.
PopeMarley
Hicks is too injury prone.
billysbballz
7 years???? Lol
PopeMarley
And your point????
robluca21
Yes but its 70 million over 7 years . So the money is a little more spread out . The yanks are banking on hicks giving them 20 million dollar a year production the first 3 or 4 years of the contract while then declining over the final 4 years.
You’re underpaying in the short term for high end production and taking a hit on the back end
In the open market hicks would have definitely gotten something in the McCutchen Pollack range . 4 years 50 to 60 million.
So in essence you pay another 10 to 20 million for 3 decline years
thecoffinnail
I would have to agree. I think the entire baseball world did a simultaneous face palm when he signed Ellsbury to that contract. At least Texas have Choo a similar one at about the same time to take some of the heat. George was a great owner for his time but I don’t think his style would work as well in modern baseball. Look at the Dodgers a couple of years ago. After penalties their payroll was a lot closer to $300m than $250m and they didn’t win a single championship.
TheTrotsky
One of the worst moves any GM has ever made? That’s a little premature don’t you think? And saying he’s one of the worst hitters is superfluous considering he’s had just 100 AB after missing the first month of the season. Chill out bro.
DrLava
which only adds to the argument. hes a known injury risk, whos had only one month of elite production through 6 years of playing. and since signing his contract extension he has been terrible. hes never played a full season. ever. never even had 500 at bats. has only eclipsed 400 at bats once in his entire career. hes hitting .198 right now. hes a career 230 hitter.
and robluca21, there is no way he gets remotely close to that on the open market. mccutchen was at one point a top 10 player in the league. and can still deliver. how can you compare mccutchen to hicks? this will be the 1st year that mccutchen doesnt play a full season or have 500 at bats.
hicks has a career war of 10.8. thats a joke. mccutchen career war is 43. even pollock who is hurt even more than hicks is 10 points better.
so yeah its a bad move. hes a past his prime player who has never played a full season and at his best is a .240 hitter that will strikeout 150 times while hitting 20 home runs. there are 100 guys that can give you that production for a whole lot less money, will play a whole year, and will be better defensively as well
Perksy
Don’t give me war. I don’t want to hear about millennial sabermetric crap
robluca21
Translation :
I dont know how to quantify WAR so I will just dismiss it and belittle those who use it as a tool to evaluate players
robluca21
I’m comparing them based at where they both are at this current point in their career trajectory
Cutch his 32 on the decline years and hicks is playing in his age 29 season with a few more peak years remaining
Also hicks plays an above average centerfielder where as cutch is no relegated to corner outfield duty
Tony The Wiz
He stinks and is just a businessman. He is no George !!
xpackyank
Lol of course Hal will say he has no problem passing the luxury tax threshold. It’s all about maintaining good public sentiment with him. Cashman’s insight into the Keuchel negotiations describes Yanks owners true mentality.
Dgmilazz
The Yankees passed on Keuchel because he is not the arm that puts them over the top.
xpackyank
Dude how many arms are out there that “puts them down over the top” that are relative to price? Keuchel was pure cash whereas every other top arm will cost multiple top prospects. Yanks need depth the entire rotation has question marks.
macstruts
I think you need to understand the different between “no problem” and “willing’.
jonnyzuck
Hopefully they will open up the checkbook for a Strasburg or scherzer
bencole
Yeah I very much doubt either of these guys will be available
todd76
Good luck with that. Nationals are still in the playoff hunt after beating up on the Phillies.
bencole
Even if they weren’t they’re both controlled, Scherzer for two years and Strasburg for a bunch. They’re unlikely to go anywhere unless the Nats launch a complete rebuild.
yankees2016rebuild
He did say a move that gets them over the top. And after everything I think Cashman just never believed that Dallas was that guy. Cashman just didn’t seem convinced that Dallas was worth all the penalties cause he hasn’t pitched hes numbers have been declining for years and it seems most pitchers do great when they get to Houston but we dont know if they do great when they leave. Dallas plain and simple is just not an ace.
Shoeless Joe's Diploma
Smyly actually has been up to 95 mph, but itz coming in flat. Hez failing to set-up his fastball and hitters are sitting on it. That takes time and repetition to hone… he has time, but whom has the patience?
qbass187
Lol. Cashman says no no then Steinbrenner says yes yes. Classic Yankee nonsense
mets2020
what a terrrible owner. At least the mets make smart moves and MAKE THE WORLD SERIES THIS DECADE
K3vin
Give it a rest. What smart moves have the Mets made?
Old User Name
Mets2020, you are the Mets of trolls.
K3vin
Yankees have one of best records in past 10 years while Mets are middle of the pack.
DrLava
theyre actually way worse than middle of the pack. theyve only had 2 seasons above .500 in that span.
the clown posting posts that exact same comment in a ton of articles. i dont think he even follows baseball.
InvalidUserID
I trust Cashman. Hal is a little too prudent and pragmatic for my liking but then again I was a big George fan. But again, Cashman doesn’t get enough credit for his moves which have set up the Yankees for some nice seasons.
macstruts
Stroman for Frazier makes sense.
bencole
For who? Obviously the Yankees, but I’m not sure it makes sense for Toronto
macstruts
What am I missing. Stroman is a free agent in a year and a half. Frazier is a #5 pick. A highly regarded prospect who is a year away (2021) from arbitration He also has an OPS+ of 120.
I’m not sure that Stroman can fetch a better player, but we’ll see.
DrLava
hes a 24 year old DH. toronto doesnt need a DH. they can get a whole lot more for stroman and they will
bencole
I think you’d be looking for someone who had the full 6+ years control with some star upside. I don’t think it’s a bad ask for the Yankees, but I don’t think it gets it done. And I think someone will offer them more. And I don’t think they will trade Stroman to a division rival for what sort of amounts to their spare parts, even if I think Frazier will be an average everyday player.
chino31
Jays traded Happ to the Yankees just last year
bencole
Yeah… no disrespect but I missed what you’re trying to say maybe… Happ is gonna be 37 before the playoffs are over… so I’m assuming not a comparison to Stroman? If you’re just referring to divisional trades, I think they’ll make them, the price will be higher though. Although Stroman may not be under contract when the Jays plan to be competitive again, so if that’s your point I suppose that’s fair.
macstruts
Fraizer can run an he can throw, he’s not a DH. It doesn’t mean he’s a good outfielder, but he’s far from a DH and he could still turn into a good defensive outfielder. Which is something The Blue Jays desperately need.
OilCanLloyd
The Jays need good young outfielders. But young controllable pitching is the only return I would consider for Stroman
bencole
Yeah fair enough. I just don’t think Frazier gets you Stroman. Frazier is probably an average everyday OF but that doesn’t get you a legit starting pitcher.
Begamin
Do the Jays need middle infielders? I was thinking we could see Thairo Estrada be swapped soon. Thairo in a package of other prospects could get the job done if they need a SS. He hit well in his brief stint in the majors. I for one dont think Frazier is going to be moved unless a team conjures up some no brainer deal that includes him. I think the Yankees are keen on keeping him around as Gardner wont be there forever and theyve been hit by the injury bug in the OF two years in a row.
SalaryCapMyth
Right now Frazier looks like he is better than an average outfielder. Complimentary, Stroman DOESN’T look like a bumpster fire unlike last year or again in 2016.
Frazier for Stroman seems pretty reasonable from an outsiders perspective
PopeMarley
Middle infield is the Blue Jays strong point. Estrada doesn’t headline a package to get a starter.
PopeMarley
Watch him play and you’ll see otherwise.
bencole
Yeah, but controllable pitching just isn’t traded like this. Think of the last time you remember an MLB non-star position player traded for a #2-3 SP… it just doesn’t happen. Pitching is just to scarce for that. The Brewers tried it with Domingo Santana and no one would bite. Same with the Padres and there OF surplus. And I disagree on Frazier, he has an OBP a few points above league average, solid power, but strikes out nearly 30% of the time and is a disaster on defense. He’s got some upside, but most scouts feel he’s an average everyday player.
bencole
And they’re going to want his 2019 value, and not take less because of his 2018 performance, which was bad. I don’t think it’s completely out of wack as an offer, I just don’t think that gets it done.
bencole
And no, it’s gonna be a top prospect type for Stroman, Estrada isn’t even a conversation starter unless he’s a distant second piece. You can’t give up your spare parts for a quality pitcher.
todd76
That’s laughable Frazier for Stroman. Terrible trade for the Blue Jays. Going to take more than that.
thegreatcerealfamine
Right on Todd. These people need to realize other teams don’t see the high value in Frazier they think. I honestly don’t think the Yankees feel that highly about him at this point.
macstruts
Not a Yankee fan. Just an outsider who happens to be a baseball fan.
I’ve never seen Frazier play. What I see is a top 35 prospect. , A number five pick. And someone who can obviously hit.
But the scouting reports are very very good. Great Power, Good Speed, Good Arm.
DrLava
you may wanna read some updated reports. he cant field, cant run routes, cant follow the ball off the bat, cant catch, swings at everything. he’ll make a solid pinch hit specialist for an NL team before becoming a career DH when he gets older.
pasha2k
Frazier hits well cuz he’s in that lineup from”Murders Row”. The little I saw of him he’s just an overly hyped player to try n fool some of the desperate GMs.
Begamin
+bencole
+PopeMarley
i wasnt thinking Estrada was a headliner or anything i was just thinking he’d be a solid piece to add in a trade and that he is blocked in the Yankees system.
the guru
Lol. Frazier clock was started in 2017, he’s already about to arb. No where close to match the surplus value recquired to get stroman from blue jays. Going to take a lot more than him.
Foreveryankees
Daddy was ruthless and a winner at any cost!! With sports best and richest franchise. Hal needs to loosen the purse strings and still turn a 300 mill profit!!
Emerick_alex
There is rumblings in Cincinnati maybe being linked to a deal with Clint Frazier.. I would have to assume either tanner roark or Alex wood packaged with say a Robert Stevenson and some minor leaguers
bencole
I saw stuff on Cincy being interested in Frazier in the offseason but ew… Wood has been hurt all year and Stevenson sucks… although I think it’s Stephenson… and Roark I suppose is ok but Frazier is way too much for him and that deal doesn’t make sense for Cindy’s needs