Though Atlanta fans have been vocal about their desire to see Craig Kimbrel suit up for the Braves once again, that appears decreasingly likely. The Braves have been loosely connected to Kimbrel throughout the year, but now that he’s free of draft compensation and expected to sign in the near future, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi reports (via Twitter) that the Braves aren’t among the “finalists” to sign the seven-time All-Star.
That comes on the heels of a morning report from The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal which indicates that the Cubs are “pushing hard” to sign the right-hander. Kimbrel has also been recently connected to the Twins and Phillies.
The Braves’ bullpen need is rather acute, so it would appear that the team has simply decided that even without draft-pick forfeiture, Kimbrel’s asking price is too steep. He’s reportedly been seeking a three-year contract, and while the salary in the first year of such an arrangement would be prorated now that we’re a third of the way through the season, Kimbrel is surely seeking a hefty annual rate of pay all the same.
If Kimbrel ultimately lands in Chicago or elsewhere, the Cubs will quite likely look to the trade market to bolster what has been an injury-plagued and generally disappointing relief unit. Luke Jackson, thrice outrighted off the Braves’ 40-man roster last season, has been the club’s most consistent reliever for most of the season. Touki Toussaint is among the game’s most highly regarded starting pitching prospects but has thrived since moving into a relief role (albeit with a somewhat elevated walk rate). Sean Newcomb also looks sharp in a relief capacity, while Anthony Swarzak has been solid since his acquisition. Josh Tomlin, signed to a minor league deal in Spring Training, has been a durable source of multi-inning stints.
But while the Atlanta bullpen’s 4.31 ERA is 15th in the big leagues, the Braves’ 4.93 FIP ranks 26th and their 4.69 xFIP ranks 20th. Braves relievers have walked 11.7 percent of the hitters they’ve faced — the third-highest mark in the Majors. They’re also averaging 1.55 home runs per nine innings pitched, which ties them with the Nationals for the fourth-highest rate in the Majors. The Braves have been fortunate than more than half of the home runs allowed by their bullpen have come with the bases empty, but the combination of one of MLB’s highest walk rates and highest home-run rates isn’t a recipe for long-term success. With several clubs likely to sell off pieces this summer — the Giants, Blue Jays, Orioles, Royals and Tigers will have arms available — there’ll be plenty of options for Atlanta general manager Alex Anthopoulos to explore.
mike156
The “Finalists” Sounds like a beauty pageant.
kingcong95
The Ohtani signing, now that’s a beauty pageant.
Robertowannabe
LOL! And let me guess, New York, Texas, and California all will have a finalist from that state in the mix. They always do!
bobtillman
….images of AA and Dave D in a perfectly scintillating evening gown competition…..
skip tracey
Lol I just recalled Steve Harvey’s facial expression after his missed call of a beautie pageants, new miss… somthing or other.
Robertowannabe
Steve, Is that you?
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Braves fans bout to start rioting in the streets lol
advplee
Not me. I was hoping we don’t sign him. We need to trade for a better option.
skarski10
I’m glad there are still some reasonable Braves fans out there.
Braveslifer
Evidently he is still pushing for a Muti-year pact, which Braves do not need out of him. Make a humdinger of a trade with SF for a RP and Starter.
advplee
I completely agree with braveslifer.
efax0977
Guess that would be a Bumdinger of a trade?
slowcurve
Hopefully AA pulls off a bumdinger rather than picking dingleberries from his bum.
(This was bad. If only the downvote was still a thing.)
Bochys Retirement Fund
I never could understand why? Their bullpen, by the numbers, looks pretty good and not worth a dusty Kimbrel. If anything fix up that issue with that dude that has a crazy last name.
ElMagoN9ne
In the end like the Padres did for Hosmer and Machado come out of nowhere and sign him
CrewBrew
Braves fans listening to Marvins room staring at pics of Kimbrel rn
MC77
@CrewBrew. I like the SirSly cover of Marvin’s Room. Just thought I would throw that out.
CrewBrew
Never heard of it I will have to check it out haha
SalaryCapMyth
There was a poster a little while ago who had said Braves news is always about the player they are NOT in on or NOT going to sign or are NOT finalists in.
advplee
Thank God. I know we need help, but I don’t believe overpaying for Kimbrel is the right move. Hopefully we trade for a much better option.
SuperSinker
There are few relievers in major league history with Kimbrel’s track record. This is lunacy
ChipperChop
Very few have the track record of Smoltz either. Might as well offer him a contract too huh? Kimbrel has been on a steady decline. It would be lunacy to think you’re getting the pitcher his “track record” suggests.
UGA_Steve
Yeah, his 6th in Cy Young voting in 2017 was a steady decline. Then in the first half of 2018 he had a 0.90 WHIP, 1.79ERA, 30 saves and 62 k’s in 40 innings. That’s such a horrible decline. He basically had one shaky month and a rough playoff and people are making absolutely asinine remarks about a decline.
Now, I have no problem arguing that no RP is worth that much money, though I think the money you spend on him improves every slot in the bullpen by a significant amount without having to pay more for those slots. Or one could argue that Kimbrel has a poor postseason track record, which is obvious. This decline stuff is a bit much. His ‘decline’ numbers are still as good as anyone’s over the last five years and even the one-year wonders of Diaz and Treinen have fallen below Kimbrel’s decline numbers this year.
Put it this way, if the Braves sign him and they win it all, they make bank. If the Braves do not sign him, they have almost zero chance of winning it all without a big trade which will cost them prospects and nearly as much money. I am not a Kimbrel homer by any means, as I think he was asking for too much, but the other options are paltry. People are thinking the Braves will be the only one with interest in guys like Smith, Vazquez or Doolittle. They won’t be, and even if they were, go look at their numbers and when you realize none have really been better than the ‘declining’ Kimbrel this year, you will realize the alternatives are more risky than a rested Kimbrel.
ChipperChop
I really don’t have to argue he is not worth elite closer money. All 30 teams did that for me. If teams thought they were getting the Kimbrel his track record suggests a team would have paid him regardless of the draft pick. So I guess 30 GM’s are wrong about his decline as well huh?
I’m not saying he can’t get hitters out. But his days of being an elite closer are over. Velocity down, ground ball rate down, FIP of 3.13 last year and he is on the wrong side of 30. The point of my comment is there is no way I would pay him for multiple years based on his “track record”. That is not the guy the team that signs him will get.
Youtube.com/@PINGTR1P
Exactly my feelings as well. Never wanted him due to his price tag. Making a trade and taking on some salary is the better option, imo.
mj-2
This is joke. Saving money to spend midseason but a prorated Kimbrel is too much.
Here’s the way they’ll spin this “we never said how much we had to spend”
Yeah joke of an organization wielding lies to its fan base at every turn. Not rooting against them because it’s not the players fault by any means but if everything turns south on them and Atlanta attendance and revenue drop ownership will totally deserve it
advplee
Overpaying for Kimbrel is not the answer. Far better options on the trading block.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
Since a prorated Kimbrel reportedly also comes with two more non-prorated seasons of Kimbrel, I agree with those who think signing him is a bad idea.
kenleyfornia2
Its even more ridiculous considering they already have Acuna, Albies and Freeman locked up.
tbones3141
You are a joke fan. I dont feel lied to. I feel like our GM took a look and decided against it. Not trading Riley/Soroka for JTR went well. Stop whining and please go root for another team. We have the 7th best record in the majors. All while losing our closer, setup man. Our ace has sucked. Acuna, JD and Albies have under produced. Yet you still complain when we have 100 games left to play. I’d love for you to be a Nats, Mets or Marlins fan. It would make my day. Or go cry in the corner. Or just end it bro. Just end it.
jordanmmiller13
tbones you should be ashamed and other Braves fans should be calling you out. Calling for someone to “just end it” is despicable.
tbones3141
Telling someone to just end their negativity does not make me feel ashamed. I see what you thought though. But you were incorrect.
tbones3141
I referenced him as a joke fan. I referenced him crying in the corner. I want the negativity to stop. It’s annoying. You mis understood my post. Calling me despicable and telling me to be ashamed by assuming what you thought I meant. It was offensive and you should apologize.
SuperSinker
God you white people are the worst
youngTank15
No need to bring race into it.
tbones3141
Yeah I didnt get this at all. We are all excitable fans. I want positivity and hope. I guess being white makes me wrong.
bravesfan1970
To be honest, I thought the same thing when you told him “just end it.” Sounded like you were telling him to jump off a bridge, for real.
chippahawk
You’re a real piece of work d-bone.. Gtfoh
What are you 10 or 12 YO?
tbones3141
Haha. You win. Changing the T to a D. What cleverness you have. A troll. I do nothing but believe in the team and hope for the best. Not doom and gloom every time you think you know better. No one can claim me. I believe in AA. I believe in the Braves. I wont apologize for that. Smooches.
tbones3141
8.
chippahawk
How many accounts do you have that you keep liking all your own posts?
But whatever, not guna go around and around, will just chalk it up to passion and move on..
Geux Bravos!
tbones3141
That’s all I wanted. A little positivity. See that didnt hurt. To be fair I didnt mean. To like my own post, click error I will punish myself for it.
chippahawk
Life’s not all rainbows and unicorns all the time young man, but yes keep up the positivity. Trying to be a perfectionist on things we can’t control gets in the way sometimes, but we’re on the same team..
RunDMC
I am frustrated too, but if you thought that draft pick compensation was the only reason they weren’t signing them, you weren’t believing the rumors of Kimbrel sitting out the season if he didn’t get the contract he wanted or that his relative asking price was a record deal. Even if it drops some, if he’s still wanting multiple years – that’s a real risk that ATL has been reluctant to take recently.
There will be a few options being made available.
WouldSettleForWildcard
So if they beat out the big-spending Phillies for the division title, will the Braves ownership deserve all the credit?
bravesfan
This is an absolute outrage and flat embarrassment for the braves organization and liberty! Shame on you guys! This was an absolute must for the braves
advplee
NOT an absolute must. Rather trade for Will Smith of the Giants.
ThePriceWasRight
agree however it comes down to years. if it’s one year, just go get kimbrel. but if reports of him still wanting 3 years or so are true, yeah trade is better. Smith, Doolittle, Giles, Greene, Colome all could be available.
SuperSinker
None of those pitchers come close to Kimbrel’s track record of success. The Braves are swimming in money. It makes zero sense not to pursue Kimbrel for multiple years
bravesfan
Super sinker is 100% right! Y’all are out of your minds if you think those guys pitch on the same level. Not to mention the cost to get those guys will be prospects and junk anyways. He’s also right that we are sitting on an insane amt of cash. Why can’t we get kimbrel plus some?
tbones3141
No it wasnt. You are wrong. Go root for someone else. We are setup now and the future. Tou mean nothing to our team/fan base.
bravesfan
What a stupid comment. We r simply not set up right now. I will bet all the money in the world to tell you with this team and major change to the bullpen, the braves won’t win a WS this year or anytime soon. Our future will be fine but getting kimbrel wasn’t gonna jeopardize our future at all and only help it. But without dramatic improvements to that bullpen this team will struggle to win the division, much less the WS
CrewBrew
Maybe the Braves are working on a mega trade for Bum and Will smith from the Giants. Not likely but just because they “seem to be out on Kimbrel” which i do not buy 100%, does not mean they are not going to make any additions. Trade market is still a great option, although i do not know what ATL has in the way of prospects that they are willing to part with.
PS* Keuchel to MIL get it done David Stearns 🙂
advplee
Agree. Rather have Smith than Kimbrel.
CrewBrew
Brewers were SO STUPID for letting hm go in the first place. Y’all can fight over Kimbrel id take Smith and Hader, maybe the two best lefty arms in the NL any day. I would still take Kimbrel though. hes a stud too lol
advplee
That trade netted us Austin Riley and got rid of Melvin Upton’s contract. Braves knew they weren’t going to be good for a few years so an expensive closer was stupid to keep.
CrewBrew
what comment are you referring to? i was talking about the Brewers letting go of Smith, not the braves and kimbrel
advplee
sorry, that got put under the wrong comment. there was a comment about being upset that we traded kimbrell in the first place. I was saying that the Kimbrel trade got rid of Melvin Upton’s contract as well as getting us Austin Riley.
joedirte4life
The Braves aren’t going to make any mega trades lol. They probably will sign some guy that gets released in the next 2 weeks
skarski10
AA is known for making mid-season moves, Aren’t you glad AA didn’t deal Austin Riley in a Realmuto trade this offseason. Some times the best move/signing is the one not made. Have a little patience and wait to see what happens before the trade deadline. If no moves are made, then you can get out your pitchforks.
tbones3141
Our fan base it on both extremes. I love what AA has done. I think having the 7th best record in MLB. Acuna, JD and Albies underproducing…Ace sucks and we lost closer and setup man. We are fine. Moves will be made. No need to kill ourselves because we aren’t overpaying for someone. Bunch of whiners I tell ya.
joedirte4life
No he’s known for that offseason deal with the Mets. But this team isnt making any deals they are standing pat.
advplee
I completely agree. If AA has not made any moves by the trade deadline, I will be upset. I am not upset by not signing Kimbrel.
braves4ever
I agree also. We have the assets, why not make the move?
Rumncoke
Waste of a year. Hope this doesn’t happen next year.
advplee
How in the world can you say that this is a Lost season? The Braves are only a half game back of Philadelphia going into tonight’s game. No offense but that’s not very smart of you to say that this is a Lost season at this point.
chippahawk
If Braves miss out on the playoffs, us as fans better be calling for some heads and jobs for sure! The picture cannot be any clearer how we have a good team and a few minor twists if the wrench to make it a great team.
We’ve already given away far too many losses this season by not addressing said issues, how many more does it take for someone to lose their job I ask?
Not only does AA keep us in the dark about absolutely everything, it seems nor he or anybody above SNIT wants to win or be dominant when the timing and rebuild has reached its fruition.
Yea were built to be perennial winners down the road but why not start right NOW!?
This division was and is ours for the taking and we’re letting the Phils hang around by gambling these games late and being CHEAPSKATES..
tbones3141
I hereby offer you the job of biggest Braves complainer. Congrats may you stay on too of your game forever. I love AA and the Braves!!! Yay!!!!
SuperSinker
If history has taught us anything, AA is going to get impatient and unload young players here pretty soon.
tbones3141
Call for heads and jobs. Cause the Brass will certainly follow your desires. Be POSITIVE. 7TH best record in MLB.
stymeedone
Go look at the list of big name bullpen guys that are not producing this year for top dollar. Just because they have payroll room isnt reason enough to spend it if they dont find players they like.
SoCalBrave
my favorite part is how “AA keeps us in the dark” lol… I guess @chippahawk used to get daily phone calls from Coppy
chippahawk
I’m just saying (not sure your age or how long you’ve followed the Braves) that if something was brewing in schuerholz’s, wren’s, coppollela’s days; you heard about it well before and I found it exciting in the offseason especially.
AA is notorious for his tight-lipped deals and thats all that was meant.
TommyL31
Not sure how old you are but Schuerholz was SUPER tight lipped. Wren was moderately so. Copy was absolutely a loud mouth. AA is much more in the Schuerholz mold of negotiations than the other 2.
chippahawk
I remember following and hearing about the rumors following Jermaine dye, jd drew, sheffield, mondesi fail, Tim Hudson steal, and texiera soap opera as they unfolded so I’m going with my memory here. (The latter I believe was his final parting gift and I hated it, but he made so many other amazing moves to give them what they needed throughout his tenure.)
petrie000
Good front offices keep things close to the vest, because everything you know every other competing front office knows too.
The front office lies. The good ones lie well.
tbones3141
Root for the Nats man. You belong there. Haterade at it’s best. No matter what is done you are negative. We are good now and set up future wise. Go away.
chippahawk
Give AA a kiss for me D-BONE
tbones3141
Happily will continue to support our guy. Maybe have a little positivity in your life. It really helps.
chippahawk
Youre an odd duck and take the internet WAY too serious dbone
snotrocket
What pitching prospects do the Braves have to give up in a Will Smith trade?
kcus stnaig
Won’t take much. Same goes for Madison.
dalealvingribble
I am fine with this. I know the bullpen is a constant source of ulcers, but I would rather spend money elsewhere like locking up someone maybe like a Mike Soroka than to get a closer who struggled when the Red Sox needed him most last year and who is closer to an age in which players who match his high octane arsenal begin to decline. That pains me to say as a Kimbrel fan, but I feel it is an unbiased assessment. I would rather use those funds to tack on some years to some young players who will give you prime production in their prime years. Than making a hasty move that could hamstring The Braves always seemingly tight purse strings.
skarski10
Exactly. Braves aren’t a team that can throw $20 mil a year at a relief pitcher who is probably on the decline. I love Kimbrel as much as the next Braves fan, but you need to take the emotion out of it. He’s not the pitcher he was when he was with the Braves all those years ago. Don’t pay for past performance.
SuperSinker
What core skills did Kimbrel have 5 years ago that he doesn’t have now?
RunDMC
Yes, velo pitchers get better with age. Kimbrel is not the same pitcher he was 5 years ago, but even then, do you commit substantial dollars to the regression of one of the best closers of all-time knowing there are other options and Braves have a lot of trade capital burning a hole in their system?
Philliesfan4life
I think the phillies should go out and get him, if not go trade for Alex Colome.
GoSoxGo
Are the Sox willing to trade Colomé? He’s been excellent so far this year, and he’s young enough to be part of the club if ever some of these prospects put the team in contention. What do the Braves have that would entice Rick Hahn to make the deal?
Philliesfan4life
Philly would have to possibly trade Williams and maybe another prospect. I would also look at Blake Treinen but I don’t think the A’s will trade him. I don’t want the braves to get either of these guys, The phillies have to do anything to hold them off. I have philly getting Bumgarner and a reliever.
Bocephus
Why does an Angels fans care about the Phillies.
Philliesfan4life
Im both a phillies & angels fan. Grew up liking both teams , back in the 2000’s when the angels had a young Lackey & Garrett Anderson. And always been a phillies fan. Im hoping philly makes the right moves to hold the braves off.
bravesfinancialflexibilty
Not saying Kimbrel is the answer, but I will be utterly shocked if AA signs/trades for anyone other than another reclamation project. They have no desire to sign anyone substantial outside the organization to more than 1 year.
tbones3141
Telling someone to just end their negativity does not make me feel ashamed. I see what you thought though. But you were incorrect.
petfoodfella
I would really like to see Folty moved to the closer roll. Jackson to setup. Atlanta has the depth for SP’ers to handle this change.
efax0977
I would try Gausman in relief first, since he only has 2 pitches.
chippahawk
I like that idea as well and Minters on the way too. I just wonder if folty can swallow his pride and make the move. Thats where a little mentoring from a guy named smoltz would be nice to have on hand.
ATLbravos
becareful u seem me almost get crucified with that comment yesterday lol. i love nuke as a setup guy.
Drew Waters Bat
Does Will Smith want to be traded to the Braves? Any chance he still resents the Braves when they pointed out the foreign substance on his arm in Atlanta? He displayed his view to them quite openly.
Maybe a bit of bad blood?
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
Money changes everything.
fba0017
He couldn’t be trusted at end of the season and playoffs. Buyer beware contending teams.
TennVol
Giles to the Braves for a couple of mid level pitching prospects. None of their top guys. Two between 10-25.. He throws as hard as Kimbrel and finally has his stuff together after a tumultuous time with the Astros. Been lights out for a very bad Jays team..
efax0977
Don’t understand the logic a trade is better. Signing Kimbrel costs only $, no prospects.
Bob Horner's revenge
This would seem simple. A 31 year old that costs $18 million per, perhaps, for three years of likely declining performance versus someone 20ish, possibly still in arbitration or even still pre arb, costing $2-10 million per during their prime and the cost is prospects. Prospects that you have more than you’ll be able to eventually use due to a deep system. A trade is better because some of the fruit is going to rot on the vine if not moved.
Bob Horner's revenge
I don’t think the market for Keuchel or Kimbrel improved greatly once the draft pick compensation cost evaporated. It would seem to me that June 3rd was an obvious point of opportunity and the agents for each player surely would be trying to get a deal as soon as possible. Negotiations could have begun at any point over the first 2+ months of the season. With both still unsigned two days after the deadline, it’s likely they’re still not receiving the type of offer they’ve been seeking.
CrewBrew
or they are close to a deal and working on finalizing something. I still think he will go to the Twins, and Keuchel goes to the Crew. Think with last nights 16-0 loss to the Marlins and Anderson making the Marlins look like the ’27 Yankees, that is going to force the Brewers to make some moves on the rotation front. Can not picture a more perfect fit between Dallas and the Crew. Not sure about terms of a deal but surely do not want another Garza situation. Brewer fans still cringe when his name is brought up
CrewBrew
I am sure the half a season missed is making the terms more complicated. What does he get in terms of half a season, compared to a full season? How long is he going to be on a minor league stint? Are there incentives for games pitched this season or saves? There is a lot that goes into someone who hasnt played at all this year
Bob Horner's revenge
I agree with that but my point is they’ve known that would be the case for weeks. These guys live that life, they’ve negotiated many contracts and they’ve had the opportunity to work on these for weeks. One thing you touched on is that situations are changing for some teams and so there are new entries into the market. That doesn’t change that the market was tepid still once the draft pick consideration evaporated. If any team were offering what either wanted, the contract could have been done Monday. They’ve had weeks to iron out details..
tbones3141
Haha. You win. Changing the T to a D. What cleverness you have. A troll. I do nothing but believe in the team and hope for the best. Not doom and gloom every time you think you know better. No one can claim me. I believe in AA. I believe in the Braves. I wont apologize for that. Smooches.
HtownBuckeye
Liberty media strikes again… what a waste.
ATLbravos
Go get Smith/madbum and dallas and lets go win the thing. no braves fans im not talking about the weak division plagued with injuries. Im referring to whipping the dodgers or brewers and getting a shot at the WS!!
kcus stnaig
LOL!
stymeedone
Only 29 other teams to announce as “not finalists.” I’m guessing Detroit, KC and Miami are locks.
its_happening
I don’t blame AA for not wanting to commit to a guy for 3-years who’s sat a third of a season. The agents seem to believe they have some leverage. They don’t. They will be very lucky to secure a 2-year deal at this point. I’m sure AA would be in for a one and done scenario.
Now, someone might lose their mind and hand one of the pitchers a multi-year deal. There’s usually 1 in the crowd.
Aside from overpaying and outbidding for Russell Martin’s services, the only other marquee free agent signing he had during his Blue Jays run was Melky Cabrera, who was coming off a drug suspension. The rest of the signings were extensions for players already on the Jays.
Oxford Karma
Ugh. Just sign a contract!
jakec77
If someone thought enough of him that they were willing to give him 3 years at big money, wouldn’t you think they’d have been willing to give up the draft pick?
jdgoat
How many extra wins would this team have if they decided to not cheap out on the bullpen?
spinningloot
There are other better business options out there but for the braves to sign kimbrel is just good for the club. we need a legit closer and we needed one a month ago. not trade deadline time or waivers time. we have middle relief guys being thrown in for the 3 hardest outs in the game and the 3 to 5 games we’ve blown through poor bullpen management will cost us in the long run. imagine not using tomlin every other game and being able to use Jackson or Webb in the 8th with less pressure. AA needs to stop waiting and do something, kimbrel or not.
AlphaGammaZX
The Braves seriously need to get better arms in the pen. I’m getting tired of them blowing games because they won’t get the arms needed to stay competitive
TradeAcuna
I’m glad some commentators have the gonads to speak out. All these players including Acuna (and Albies) look stupid with all the jewelry they wear. I wish the sport requires these female aristocrats to tug their stupid jewels under their jersey.
petrie000
I mean, there’s other relievers out there not named Kimbrel
Overpaying for him just because some fans are overly sentimental would be lunacy.
Yep it is
Did you think AA was smart enough to sign him? No. Do u. Think the Braves care anything about winnng? NO
WouldSettleForWildcard
The Braves bullpen has improved their ERA to 4.31, which is middle of the NL pack. ATL’s bullpen is only a smidge (0.03) behind the Phillies, and it’s AHEAD of the Dodgers and Brewers. Atlanta’s bullpen is good enough RIGHT NOW to compete with the best teams in the league. Some of you need to find a new whipping boy, like maybe their STARTING pitching.
WouldSettleForWildcard
“to compete” = “for them to compete”
toastyroasty
The Braves really really really really screwed up not signing this guy. They will regret this