It’s easy to pile on the Marlins, whose late-Loria era contention efforts fell flat and left a roster mess. There have been a few debatable decisions under the Derek Jeter regime as well, though it’s only fair to wait before issuing any kind of final judgment on the team’s divestment of several high-quality young position players. Predictably, the team is the worst in the National League by a rather comfortable margin.
There are some silver linings in the area of the rotation, though, and it’s worth shining a light on them. There are some genuinely interesting arms at or near the majors. In the right light, you can even make out the outlines of a pitching core that could form the platform for a contender.
The two biggest pieces were both picked up via trade. Initially, the deal that brought in Caleb Smith (link) was notable mostly because it cost the Fish pop-up prospect Mike King. But Smith was under-the-radar solid in a half-season of MLB rotation work and has trended way up thus far in 2019. Through his first seven starts of the new year, Smith owns a 2.11 ERA with 11.8 K/9 and 2.5 BB/9 over 42 2/3 innings. A bit of regression may be in order, but the breakthrough seems to be real. The southpaw is carrying a hefty 16.7% swinging-strike rate through increased usage of his offspeed offerings.
Smith’s showing has overshadowed the promising work of Pablo Lopez, who’s posting 9.2 K/9 against 2.1 BB/9 with a 4.03 ERA through 38 frames in seven starts. There’s lots to like about the contact Lopez is generating with his four-pitch mix. He’s allowing hard contact at a meager 28.8% rate while drawing swings and misses at a sturdy 11.5% clip. Meanwhile, he’s inducing grounders 51.0% of the time and infield flies on 15.6% of the balls put in play against him. No wonder ERA estimators think he’s due for positive regression. Lopez came to the organization as a little-hyped piece in the 2017 David Phelps trade (link).
Indy ball find Trevor Richards already showed off his filthy changeup last year. He’s trending up in the ERA department (4.10 vs. 4.42) but has taken a bit of a dive in his peripherals. Still, he has improved to a strong 13.1% swinging-strike rate. Richards should continue to be a useful back-end starter and will still be shy of arbitration eligibility at the end of the season. Jose Urena isn’t turning in his best work right now, but has turned in two sub-4.00 ERA seasons and is still pumping 96 mph heat. There’s a bit more upside in the powerful right arm of Sandy Alcantara, a key piece of the Marcell Ozuna deal (link), though he’s also yet to fully harness his talent. At 23 years of age, he’s learning on the fly.
That covers the present rotation mix. Only Urena is in arbitration, who is still controllable for two more seasons beyond the present. It’s hardly an elite unit, but it’s got some legitimately interesting and potentially high-value arms.
Waiting in the wings is one of the most intriguing players in the organization. Zac Gallen also came in the Ozuna deal but wasn’t nearly as hyped. The 23-year-old had a solid showing last year in his first full season at Triple-A but has taken things to a new level thus far in 2019. Through 40 1/3 frames over six starts, he’s carrying a 1.12 ERA with 10.7 K/9, 1.1 BB/9, and a 49.4% groundball rate. And Gallen isn’t alone. Elieser Hernandez, a Rule 5 pick who unsurprisingly struggled in the bigs last year, has been humming as well. He’s sporting a 1.16 ERA in 31 innings over his own half-dozen starts, with 12.5 K/9 and 3.2 BB/9. Nick Neidert, who came in the Dee Gordon deal (link), has struggled to open the year but could be a near-term option if he can bounce back. Jordan Yamamoto, Jorge Guzman, and Jordan Holloway are other fairly well-regarded prospects rising through the system and possessing 40-man spots.
The highest-upside arms are still a ways off from the majors, though that likely suits the timeline just fine. Sixto Sanchez, the crown jewel of the J.T. Realmuto trade (link), is widely considered the organization’s top prospect and a potential front-line starter. Many saw that kind of upside from recent first-round draft pick Braxton Garrett before his career was interrupted by Tommy John surgery. He’s showing swing-and-miss stuff right now at the High-A level, though he has a ways to go to reestablish himself. Fellow former first-rounder Trevor Rogers is off to a solid start in his second full professional season.
So, we can see that the Marlins have found a few hidden gems — even if they’ve also failed to hit many immediately obvious home runs with their highest draft picks (ahem, Tyler Kolek) and biggest trade pieces. They’ve also unearthed one of the most interesting relievers in baseball in Nick Anderson.
Silver linings, of course, are all the more visible because they stand out against the darkness surrounding them. In this case, there’s more to the story than the general organizational malaise. The rotation picture itself is interesting not only for what’s there, but for what isn’t.
Even as they were busy gathering up some of the surprising arms listed above, the Marlins parted with a stomach-turning collection of MLB arms. Anthony DeSclafani and Andrew Heaney haven’t been as valuable as their talent level would suggest owing to injuries, but still would be nice assets to hold. Brad Hand was another dearly departed pitcher, though he thrived as a reliever after failing to stick as a starter in Miami.
But it really stings to consider four other recent departures: Luis Castillo (link); Chris Paddack (link); Domingo German (link); Trevor Williams (link). Rather remarkably, all of those former Marlins farmhands rank among the fifteen most valuable starters in all of baseball (by measure of fWAR) in the early going in 2019.
JayRyder
Why did they feel the need to dump everybody. ?
ColossusOfClout
They couldn’t win with their best players so it was time to blow it up build it from the ground up.
nyy42
Because the old ownership lied about commitment to the team now fans don’t go to games so they have no money!
dannyd2210
All those pitchers that were mentioned that used to play for the Marlins (Castillo, Paddack, Williams, etc.) were given away by the old ownership on idiotic trades (Fernando Rodney, Dan Straily and Andrew Cashman). This is a direct cause to the fire sale that new ownership had to make. YES, they had Ozuna, J.T, Giancarlo and Yelich but that’s ALL they had. There was absolutely no pitching and they had the worst farm system in baseball. They were not going to win with those 4 guys, they had nothing to offer in trades to get better and finding 5 amazing Free Agent players was not a viable solution. This is why they felt the need to trade the big guys.
jdgoat
I’m not really sure how the Yankee-Marlin trade broke down, but it’s fair to assume that if German wasn’t traded, they wouldn’t have Lopez right now.
thecoffinnail
It was basically Prado and Phelps (barely a 5th starter at the time) for Eovaldi. They got German for taking Jones and his contract. German then proceeded to blow out his UCL and had Tommy John. He was a decently regarded lotto ticket in low A when they got him. I find it funny that Cashman was just about doing backflips when he got Eovaldi and now he pitches for the rival Sox. German was barely mentioned when they made the trade and he is shining in the rotation now.
brewpackbuckbadg
I see Domingo German was free agent and then quickly resigned with the Yankees. Was there any talk he would sign elsewhere?
Steve Adams
He was non-tendered by the Yankees after missing the entire 2015 season due to injury and quickly re-signed with the team. New York just wanted the 40-man spot cleared for the remainder of the offseason.
In those types of situations, the organization is typically up front about its reasoning and desire to re-sign the player. I don’t know about German’s case, specifically, but that type of scenario seems likely.
antibelt
They had the best outfield in Major League baseball,and decided to blow it up. Could have invested in some pitching, but decided being cheap in the short-term was better than having long term financial security. Miami doesn’t deserve a team. And aside from the huge stadium, there isn’t anything close to the stadium to hang out before or after games.
jdgoat
And the games best catcher.
DTD
Miami obviously doesn’t want a team. Even on the rare occasion that they’re really good, no one shows up. It’s the same for Tampa. Florida is great for spring training but that’s it. The MLB would be better off moving both teams to cities that are thirsting for a team.
GarryHarris
I think this too except, where should they move? Miami has a large metro and Tampa’s is larger than any without a franchise. Charlotte, NC, Portland, OR, NOLA, Vegas, Nashville, Indy, Salt Lake City…
dray16
Portland, Montreal or Vegas IMO
Old User Name
Montreal of course.
petfoodfella
Failed once, why go back.
Portland
Charlotte
San Antonio (dome required)
Vegas
astros_fan_84
I live in San Antonio. It wouldn’t support a team. Also, this is already Astros/Rangers territory. It makes sense on paper until you look at the demographics.
Old User Name
@Mack… I was joking about Montreal because all the call for them to get a team lately.
TreyMancini
Portland, Memphis, or Vegas probably.
jim stem
I’ve often wondered why New Jersey doesn’t have a team. Las Vegas is getting football, will baseball be far behind? Tennessee? New Orleans? Virginia? Alabama? N/S Carolina?
Col_chestbridge
Jersey is right between NYC and Philly, and is therefor well served with teams. The most populated parts of Jersey are basically suburbs of NYC. Not only would the existing 3 teams not allow it, but it’s far from an underserved market.
Ironman_4life
Vegas would need a dome.
marlins17
Payroll was at $115M with no pitching when they had that outfield. They dont have Dodger, Giant, Red Sox, Yankees kind of money dude. Pitching aint cheap, how were they suppose to find an entire starting rotation and bullpen with maybe $10-15M to worth. Which would have put them in top 10 payroll. Blowing it up was the only answer. As a fan, i was greatful. New ownership, lets start from the ground up and shoot for long term success. Lets revisit in 5 years. Could be more
Of the same which then ill just shut up and cry.
its_happening
The death of Fernandez started the whole process. They may have been buyers in 2017 if he were alive and pitching like the ace he was. Marlins did the right thing, and dealing Stanton was huge.
Koamalu
@antibelt With what money? Without adding anyone that team would have had a $150 million payroll with just $200 million in revenue. That would have meant a loss of $50 million to the team.
Now, its easy to say that someone else should take a $50++ million, 25++% loss, but its not realistic. No business can do that and remain in business.
It baffles me how some people can be so clueless about business.
Yort
If their payroll is $150 million and they make $200 million how is that $50 million lost? Isn’t that $50 million gained? Genuine question
reflect
I can’t think of any organization I care for and respect less than the Marlins. But I think people have not really been fair to them in recent years. There is not any organization in MLB that would be in great shape if their #1 most valuable player (in the business sense) just abruptly passed away. Where would the White Sox be if Chris Sale vanished before they could trade him? The Red Sox would be lost for years if JBJ suddenly disappeared.
I don’t want to downplay Jose Fernandez, the person. He was so much more than a business asset or a commodity. But that doesn’t mean the economic impact of his loss does not exist, and I think that side of his passing gets significantly overlooked. It really set the franchise back. That’s basically 2-4 great prospects (via a hypothetical firesale trade) they lost, through no fault of their own. So I think they deserve some leeway in their rebuild, and some understanding if it takes a little longer than usual.
jdgoat
JBJ? Lol
reflect
Whoops, I meant Mookie Betts. You can tell I’m not a Red Sox fan, lol.
jdgoat
Aha ya I figured
nymetsking
Jon Bon Jovi?
Prospectnvstr
Ok,JBJ was a bad example but he was dead center on the rest of his comment.
Topshelf Nick
As a MLB fan, there is no franchise that makes me less indifferent than this organization. I applaud the Rays for competing and staying in the shadows of the Yankees and Red Sox, even when the attendance doesn’t match their success.
But the Marlins, ever since the sale to Loria, the built of the new stadium, blowing up the team halfway through the season after that, selling all their soon-to-be stars two years ago, selling the team to a ridiculous price to the Jeter group and so on, they asked for it. It was really unfortunate to what happened to Jose though.
They deserve to be irrelevant and there is always something fishy with that franchise, that as a baseball fan, can’t cope with and some US markets deserve a team that the fans will support a lot more.
Koamalu
People conveniently forget that the Rays had 10 straight years without a winning record and as recently as 2017 were in the midst of 4 straight losing seasons.
The Marlins new ownership group deserves to be given a chance to rebuild after taking over the team from arguably the worst ownership in the history of the game.
So far they are doing an outstanding job. The starting pitching, which is the focus of this article, is almost completely new since they took over for the 2018 season and are 15th in the league with an above average 4.11 ERA as a whole.
Maybe its time to take a long view of this instead of a shortsighted, oh they are losing today so they will never be good outlook. There is something truly fishy about anyone who claims to be a baseball fan but overlooks the obvious steps the Marlins are taking to rebuild the organization from the ground up after taking over from the Loria group.
formerlyz
Dont forget Trevor Williams. They traded him for a pitching instructor they fired less than a year later
Jeff Todd
I knew I was missing one! Thanks.
formerlyz
No problem. Pretty easy for a Marlins fan to remember though, and hard to believe from an outside perspective lol
formerlyz
They also got no value out of NICK wottgren with years of control
Koamalu
A Loria trade. Not one by the current ownership group.
formerlyz
Didnt say it was
Prospectnvstr
So, why bring up something that’s TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the topic being discussed?
baseball10
Well good for the Marlins. They may be patching together a competitive pitching staff but their offense is a long way away
Melchez
Thank you MLBTR. I like to hear about these lesser known teams and what kind of outlook they have. The Marlin situation is rather unique. They are really starting from zero. Their farm system is bad and the ML roster is terrible. It’s like an expansion team. I’m curious to see them 5 years from now.
Melchez
Could you imagine the Marlins rotation if they’d have kept those three starters? Paddock, Castillo and German?
Realmutto, Stanton, Yelich and Ozuna… Man, they would have been a very good team.
GarryHarris
Keep going; what about the IF? If Jose Fernandez doesn’t go boating.
stretch123
It’s okay to be curious, bud.
Koamalu
Those trades were all made by Loria. Could you imagine what Loria would have done if he kept the team?
kingbum
Baseball needs to contract it’s teams some, it will improve the quality of teams and let’s face it not every city wants a team. Baseball should get rid of the Royals, Rays, Pirates, and Marlins ownerships either can’t afford them or just aren’t willing to spend the capital to be competitive yearly. Then I would get rid of the 2nd wild card positions in the leagues.
kingbum
Maybe you can add the Padres and A’s also to that contraction list and relocate a team to Vegas maybe.
Koamalu
Baseball WILL expand. No teams need to be contracted. There are plenty of players and there is no way the MLBPA would allow even one job to be contracted.
Marlins current ownership has been awesome. Loria on the other hand was atrocious. He disenfranchised the fan base and the local business community and he signed one of the worst TV deals in the history of the game in one of the top 10 markets in the country.
The Marlins will start negotiating a new TV deal next year that will more than triple, possibly quadruple, the amount of TV money they are receiving and the Jeter led front office has already doubled the amount of sponsorships they are receiving from local businesses this year. That will go up as the team starts to win.
All that leaves is the fans starting to show up. With all the team sponsored community events that are happening now, even a small amount of winning will begin to draw out more fans.
Bottom line is no real baseball fan wants to see less baseball. So why do you want to see less?
kingbum
I’m tired of seeing the same teams every year on the bottom or close to the bottom of the standings. Miami and Tampa have built winners just to crash back into oblivion because they can’t retain anybody. The only person who really has been able to do this while keeping his team somewhat relevant every year is Billy Beane in Oakland. How is a $40 million dollar payroll going to compete with a $250 million payroll successfully every year? It’s not going to happen and that is sad. You can almost predict the baseball standings year in and year out just by checking payroll. It’s either contract or install a hard cap on yearly payroll and a ceiling so no one is just profit taking.
kingbum
I mean a ceiling and a floor
Koamalu
Baseball has seen more parity in this century than any other sport.
Just look at the number of teams that have been in the playoffs. MLB still has a greater percentage of teams that have made the playoffs over that time period even though they have the least teams that play in the playoffs each year.
Just 8 of 30 teams make it to the division series games in MLB
(I don’t consider a 1 game play in game the playoffs)
That is vs 12 of 32 in the NFL
and 16 of 32 in NBA and NHL,
The teams that you named have had to do that as a necessity of the lack of revenue sharing for local TV contracts, not because they can’t win. The system means they short window of time to win and can’t afford a big dollar bust. That is just the reality of the current revenue sharing system.
But they do win.
Unlike in other sports where top draft picks and 100% revenue sharing have not helped most of the have-nots break into the winning column.
therealryan
I’m not sure what sport you’ve been watching, but since 2008 the Rays have the 5th most wins in all of MLB. They have more wins than large market clubs like the Angels, Cubs, White Sox, Giants, Astros, Mets and Phillies.
Not only have they remained competitive, they also went through a rebuild on the fly and now have the best record in baseball with a team full of young, controllable players. Couple that with a top 2 farm system and the Rays are built with staying power and are poised to be near the top of the sport for the next 5+ years.
sportznut1000
yeah i dont know. its hard to give the marlins a pass. if even for the right reasons, their trades have been awful. i mean they just gave up the future NL mvp who was still in his prime after having already done that with miguel cabrera. those deals linked in the article look horendous. chris paddack for 3 months of fernando rodney to setup aj ramos???? and if anyone reads the comments sections in those articles, some of the users on this site should be really embarassed and have their chat revoked. yeah im talking about you “the pads fan” you look really silly now saying rodney for paddack was a great deal for the marlins and paddack was just a prospect even though at the time of the deal through 28 innings he had allowed only 9 hits and had an absurd 48/2 k/bb ratio
sportznut1000
im going to quote cuban1 from the castillo for straily deal when a user said marlins will regret this deal in a couple years: “No they wont, too stupid to regret it. Same team that reportedly chose nicolino over syndergaard in blue jays deal, chose to give up heaney instead of nicolino in gordon trade. then gave up desclafani for latos, who they subsequently traded months later for garbage, their front office sucks and they are too stupid to know it. And lets not forget giving up trevor williams to pirates in return for jim benedict.”
Koamalu
The Straily trade was made by Loria and his group who were very stupid (or very smart depending on your point of view since Loria made a half billion profit on the sale of the team). The Williams/Benedict trade was also on Loria’s watch.
The new ownership is much more focused on the long term success of the team on the field and not just making money. Lots of very smart people in that front office today and the success so far of the trades they made is ample evidence of that.
cuban1
What do you think i was trying to say? I think you may have understood, i wasnt saying they wouldnt regret the trades because they would work out in their favor, i was implying that the trades absolutely would not work out in their favor, but the team as a whole is too stupid to regret those decisions.
Koamalu
The team as a whole is almost entirely new since Sherman and his group took over as owners.
Your point is moot, because its not the same people. It is fans that are too stupid to realize that fact that are missing some really good things the new ownership group is doing.
Just reading the article would have demonstrated that in spades. And all the article talks about is just how great of a job they did getting pitching in those trades. It completely ignores the position players they got too.
cuban1
The comment was made at that time, when i was still referring to the old group, was it not?
sportznut1000
yeah sorry cuban i posted twice and i can see the confusion. your comment was spot on, i was quoting it because you had a lot of good information in there. going through the comments a lot of people were trying to say the marlins were right in their deals while others like you had the foresight to see that those deals were not going to work out for them
jbigz12
Sure, Jeter and co. Have made some great trades for their non elite pieces. But for his best assets he flopped pretty hard. Ozuna and Yelich anyway. And they haven’t gotten much of anything in the positional player department. Have you seen the offense? The pitching on this team would win them far more than 10 games if they had any offense.
There’s hope that maybe Brinson isn’t awful and Harrison comes up and hits. Maybe both have major K issues. But this is a very weak offensive system. They need a lot more.
Koamalu
Can you name a single trade made by the Sherman/Jeter ownership group that has been bad?
Not Loria trades like Castillo, Paddack, etc… Only those made by Sherman/Jeter.
formerlyz
A single trade?? I actually do have faith this ownership will do the right things when it eventually matters, and I wanted to trade people for more than a year, but they were also terrible at asset management the same way the Marlins always have been, and this could be a slightly different conversation right now…regardless, this draft is extremely important, and going forward they have a chance to build an interesting farm system over these next 3 or 4 years. If they get lucky, maybe certain guys can develop, and allow that to start happening a little sooner than that, but the way some things were handled probably set them back at least a couple of years further than a typical team would have been able to maneuver, including with the money they ate
kingbum
Should of kept Realmutto…You need a catcher who can call a great game to take pressure off of a young staff
Mjm117
I’m ok with the Realmuto trade. Yelich trade should’ve never happened and will continue to haunt the Fish
Koamalu
Sixto Sanchez. Jorge Alfaro. Stewart. + $250k Int’l Signing Slot.
The Marlins catcher now was hitting .277 with 5 HR going into tonight’s game. While Alfaro is not Realmuto behind the plate, he has ably taken up the offensive side of the game so far.
Sanchez is a top 25 prospect overall.
No way to say that is a bad trade at this point.
jdgoat
Yelich…. that’s going to be a terrible, terrible mistake and go down as one of their worst ever.
mj-2
Considering this is about the Marlins, who’s going to bother reading all of that?
Koamalu
Considering this is about baseball, a whole lot of people that are actual fans of the game. So why won’t you read it?
DarkSide830
Evidently Marlins scouts are much better then Marlins GM’s. Maybe just make one of them the GM…
stretch123
Based on the crop of pitching talent from Double A to MLB, the 2021/2022 should be something like Sixto Sanchez, Caleb Smith, Braxton Garrett, Pablo Sanchez and Alcantara or Edward Cabrera or Trevor Richards… bullpen will be headed by Jorge Guzman, Nick Anderson and Steckenrider, maybe Alcantara slides in there if some of the prospects are good and he’s better served in the pen. Urena would be traded for prospects/hitting and the position players could be:
C Alfaro
1B ???
2B Diaz
3B Anderson
SS Devers
LF Scott
CF Mesa
RF Harrison/Brinson
Maybe they can bring in a FA or two to supplement areas of need (like if Brinson and Harrison’s aren’t the stars Jeter is thinking they’d be) but this team has a lotttt of depth now and I think they will be just fine. Pitching will be a strength for sure.
icedoutref
As long as they stick to the rebuild, and continue to develop prospects it’ll be fine. As good as the outfield was they didn’t have the payroll for a whole team so I understand why they blew it up. However, I wish they could have kept Paddack, Castillo, and Yelich. Building with the core they have now plus them their future would be promising. Marlins should be looking for another manager but I think they will surprise in a couple years.
stretch123
Mattingly needs to go. Need a young analytical manager for a young team like this
baseballhobo
The Marlins need to bring back the teal uniforms.
mack423
I’ve been watching Lopez & Smith so closely. They’re both so talented. And Gallen has absolutely found another gear in AAA this year. Alcantara might be able to survive as a back-end piece.
Koamalu
As of today Alcantara has put up better than league average numbers with the Marlins. He could “survive” as a #2 or #3 when he finds his rhythm.
Koamalu
Jeter and Hill did well in those trades. Just including the pitching it was a good haul.
Smith has a 3.45 ERA in 23 starts for the Marlins. MLB average is 4.33 ERA for starters
23 yr old Alcantara has a 4.23 ERA in 13 starts for the Marlins
Lopez has a 4.10 ERA in 17 starts for the Marlins
23 yr old Gallen is tearing up AAA with a 1.12 ERA in 6 starts this season after a 3.65 ERA in 25 starts there last season.
22 yr old Neidert is struggling with his control in 3 starts in AAA this season walking 7.0 per 9 IP, but the stuff is still there. His career average for walks/9 is 1.8 and he put up good numbers in AAA at 21 last season, so its safe to say that he will come around.
That does not include all the rest of the quality pitching prospects in A+ and AA ball including top 100 prospects Sanchez and Guzman.
Right now its only a matter of time for the Marlins to see spectacular return from those trades.
BBB
Neidert’s on the IL with right knee tendinitis (which may have contributed to his problems) so that could set him back a bit.
jorge78
“In the right light…” That hilarious!
petrie000
First time ‘interesting’ and ‘Marlins’ have been used in the same sentence in a while here…