It almost goes without saying that once the draft passes, teams shift their focus to the summer trade market. It happens every season, and there’s plenty of speculation that this year’s One True Trade Deadline will spur teams into action a bit sooner than in years past. It’s only logical, as clubs now know they won’t be able to augment their roster in August.
Nary a season goes by where pitching isn’t in extreme demand on the midseason market, and Madison Bumgarner’s impending free agency (paired with the Giants’ generally poor play) has fans of pitching-needy clubs frothing at the mouth as the wonder where the postseason legend will land and what he’ll net the Giants. But Bumgarner isn’t the only near-lock to be traded in the next two calendar months.
The Blue Jays are widely expected to field offers for both Marcus Stroman and Aaron Sanchez, and The Athletic’s Jayson Stark even wrote today that Toronto has “signaled they could be aggressive” in trying to move both. For a team in their position, there’s little reason to hang onto the duo beyond the 2019 season and plenty of reason to explore the market earlier rather than later. The Jays aren’t contending this season, both starters are healthy, and it’s unlikely that an additional month is going to dramatically alter a rival team’s evaluation of the righties.
That’s not to say they’re going to shove the pair out the door, but the Jays are also surely cognizant of the fact that an interested buyer would be willing to part with more for Stroman’s final 17 to 18 starts of the season than they would for his final 10 to 11 starts of the season — the difference between a mid-June swap and a late-July swap. Of particular note in this instance, both Stroman and Sanchez are controlled through 2020.
Stroman, 28, is earning $7.4MM in 2019 — an eminently affordable sum when considering the fact that he’s thrown 69 innings with a 2.74 ERA, 7.4 K/9, 3.4 BB/9 and a sizable 57.6 percent ground-ball rate. That grounder rate is in elite territory already, but it’s actually down a bit for Stroman, who has topped 60 percent in each of the four prior seasons. He’s among baseball’s premier ground-ball specialists and, after an injury-wrecked 2018 campaign looks to be back on track — if not better than ever.
Stroman’s 10.4 percent swinging-strike rate is the best of his career, and his 30 percent chase rate on pitches out of the zone is his second-best mark. He’s throwing his slider more often than ever before and doing so quite effectively, which may explain the uptick in whiffs and the slight downgrade in grounders. Stroman has never limited home runs better than he has so far in 2019 (0.65 HR/9), and Statcast pegs his expected weighted on-base average at a career-best .304. No one is going to mistake Stroman for a shutdown ace, but pitchers of his caliber are still difficult to come by midseason — particularly when they’re more than just a rental piece.
As for Sanchez, the 26-year-old may never again match his peak 2016 form and will always come with concerns surrounding the blister and fingernail issues he cannot seem to escape. He exited his last outing with a fingernail issue, in fact, but there’s no indication he’s headed for the injured list. Sanchez is also throwing his breaking ball at a career-high rate and, like Stroman, has enjoyed a career-high swinging-strike rate (plus a career-best 8.4 K/9). Sanchez’s control has been wobbly in the seasons since his 2016 All-Star season (5.0 BB/9 over his past 201 innings), but he’d be more affordable than his teammate both in terms of salary ($3.9MM) and prospect cost.
A team might be able to dream on that ’16 season and hope that some mechanical tweaks can help to improve upon his control, but the aforementioned finger issues will also be considered when determining what to surrender. So far in 2019, Sanchez has a 3.75 ERA in 60 innings, though his control troubles lead fielding-independent metrics to peg him more in the mid-4.00s. He’s not a Stroman-level grounder specialist, but he’s above average in that regard (51.2 percent in 2019; 54.1 percent career).
While both hurlers will generate their share of interest, Stroman should have the broader appeal and bring in a larger return. In fact, while the most frequent pitcher mentioned by fans in our weekly MLBTR chats is without question Bumgarner, it’s arguable that Stroman is even more appealing than the Giants’ lefty when looking at the total package. He’s earning $4.6MM less in 2019, controlled for an additional season and, over the past three years, has thrown more innings with similar results. The two pitchers get those results in different ways — Bumgarner more through punchouts and pristine control; Stroman through extreme grounders and limiting homers — but both are generally quality arms.
This needn’t turn into a debate over who is the better target (though feel free to do so if you wish). The broader point that’s worth underscoring is that the Jays will have a pair of very available arms in the near future — including a pitcher who figures to be among the more desirable targets on the market this summer. For a team that’s building around a nucleus of Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and other young players (Cavan Biggio, Bo Bichette, etc.), having two controllable starters — and a very good closer — ready to sell to the highest bidder puts the organization in position to further add some exciting pieces to that emerging core.
mbgutt
Pirates should inquire if they want to stay in mix
jbigz12
Maybe this year they’ll give up Mitch Keller and Travis Swaggerty….
Monkey’s Uncle
I wanted to laugh at this comment, but since I’m a Pirates fan I cried instead.
bapthemailman
Me too
PiratesFan1981
This broke my heart
DodgerNation
Don’t worry it can’t go much worse than the archer trade.
Gavin B
The archer trade was just about the worst trade I have ever seen. 3 possible long term stars for a pitcher with a 4 ERA. I really don’t know what to say other than the person who made that trade made the worst decision I have seen in a long time
Monkey’s Uncle
The pirates do have outfielders to spare, and the Blue Jays need help there. I don’t know if the Pirates have the prospects to get Stroman. They simply can’t trade Keller at this point with how many pitcher injuries they have, and Keller should be off limits regardless IMO. They also have Agrazal and Escobar at AAA.
In my perfect world, Corey Dickerson comes back soon, plays well for a few weeks, and then gets traded with a prospect for a quality major league pitcher. How realistic that is, I don’t know.
Frosted Lemonade
The Archer trade has set the bar for a return from the Pirates for starting pitching. Unfortunately, the Pirates dearth of upper level starting pitching means they’ll have to ship lower level pitching talent like Cody Bolton along with Bryan Reynolds, Will Craig, and Travis Swaggerty for Stroman.
Johhos
Stroman and Giles vs. Kimbrel and Keuchel ….hmmmm . The first pair are controllable this season and next but will cost several good prospects , the latter pair will just cost you money but more of it.
jbigz12
There’s only one Kimbrel and Keuchel out there and more demand for a reliever and a #2 or 3 starter. I don’t think a team would add both Kimbrel and Keuchel considering they haven’t pitched at all this year. That’d be a rather big gamble.
Rocket32
I’d take Kimbrel and Keuchel over Stroman and Giles easily. Stroman isn’t worth what Toronto will likely want, just like Archer with the Rays last year.
deweybelongsinthehall
A lot more $$. For some reason I see the Phillies as a trade partner.
bleacherbum
If the framework holds true:
A good comp for an Archer like deal for Philly to acquire Stroman.
Medina would be Glasnow
Moniak would be Meadows
Howard would be Baz
Archer is the better pitcher thus the higher return.
However, if Toronto could get that from Philadelphia they should.
jbigz12
Moniak is not Austin Meadows. This guy hasn’t hit at all since being drafted. I don’t think that archer style fleecing is the bar for Stroman either.
Begamin
+jbigz
Youre right, the Pirates massively overpaid for Archer and everyone is laughing at them for it. It most likely didnt set the precedent for what the trade should be like but rather what the trade shouldnt be like
vtadave
Probably a bit much for a guy who’s a FA after 2020, but it’s not like that package is close to what the Pirates gave up for Archer. Then again, Medina is off to a rough start, Howard is hurt, and Moniak may be a bust.
CrewBrew
Come on Brewers lets do some shopping. Stroman could not fit any better.
jbigz12
I’m assuming Hiura would be off the table. I’m not so sure the Brewers have the pieces to make a big splash. It’d have to be Turang+ more I would imagine. Corey Ray has dipped his stock tremendously.
its_happening
Blue Jays are looking for 3 positions:
Starting Pitching
Starting Pitching
Outfield
All in that order.
SuperSinker
The Blue Jays have a .283 team OBP. They need help everywhere. If you can hit you can play
its_happening
SuperStinker – thank you for absolutely nothing. Blue Jays will be garbage next year too. We know they can’t hit. They have INF depth IN THE MINORS. Nevermind….I might make you smarter if I continue….
rodster
And don’t forget, Baseball executives who actually know something about baseball.
jbigz12
A SS in A ball might not be a SS in the pros anyway. I’m sure they’d take a young highly touted SS in a trade.
its_happening
jbigs – the Blue Jays have ZERO outfielders in the system. None. Anthony Alford can’t figure out AAA so he is out. As much as a SS would be nice, they need to address the OF because that is a priority. Same with starting pitching.
The Jays will give Bichette the keys to SS when he is ready. It may blow up in their faces given his struggles on D. However, Bichette is the #2 prospect in the organization and he will play SS. SS is not a priority. Again, SS is not a priority.
jbigz12
My point is the defensive spectrum. SS is very high up there. Those guys easily slide over to other positions if they can’t hack it there or need to move for another player. The jays need the best talent that they can get.
its_happening
We agree. Except that is not how the Blue Jays are run. Defense has never come first with this regime, the previous regime and the regime before that. Bichette will be given the keys when he is ready. The good that could come out of this is he is moved, opening the option of a trade down the road with INF guys like Guerrero, Tellez, Biggio, Gurriel and Bichette.
However, to my point, SS is not a primary target when they have Grichuk as the only lock on an OF position. And that’s only because the Blue Jays extended him. And they have little pitching.
CrewBrew
yeah Keston for sure off the table. I love what he has done so far in his first cup of coffee in the majors. Has a few bombs and has alot of hits.
n13gmlb
Problem is the Archer deal kind of blew up in their face. Still paying for that one
bleacherbum
Stroman is going to look real good in a Padres uniform.
The two Canada boys going back in return,
Josh Naylor and Cal Quantrill.
SanDiegoTom
I’d do that deal in a heartbeat
Padres458
They wouldnt. They will 100% want more.
bleacherbum
If they can get 4 close to MLB ready arms to catch up to their crop of young players they will.
Padres can give them two for Stroman.
A package around Sanchez will give them the other two.
Start building around Thornton because he is a keeper.
its_happening
Those two players plus another pitcher would do it. Most likely.
towinagain
Itd have to start with those two. Maybe Reed and Patino in the deal? Kind of wondering if Myers gets dealt if salaries match, if not this deal but some other one.
bleacherbum
I’d be okay adding Reed as well, however Toronto wants pitching, Logan Allen makes more sense as the final piece as he is near big league ready.
Quantrill and Allen would be in the rotation before the All-Star break.
Naylor would give them a freakish 1,2,3 power punch to sandwich between Guerrero and Tellez.
More would have to come with Stroman if those 3 pieces exited however. I love Brandon Drury and think he would be a great fit here. Can play both corner OF spots, 2B/3B and has a real advanced approach at the plate.
Stroman and Drury
For
Quantrill, Naylor, Allen and Esteury Ruiz.
bigkd1979
I like the make up that deal but think another OF prospect over Ruiz would help the Jays more long term.
Stroman and Drury
for
Quantrill, Naylor, Allen and Edward Olivares
bleacherbum
That’s good frame work,
Only thing I could think is that Reed might be more desirable due to the fact that they traded Olivares to San Diego already.
Taejonguy
the problem with Naylor is his body is much like Vlad Jr’s. with Tellez at 1st youd have 2 DH’s
Jim Scott
I think the Jays would be looking for two of the Pads’ top-100-ranked SP. Gore is likely a stretch (!) but two of Patino / Morejon / Allen / Baez / Weathers + something for Stroman + something. Say, Allen + Weathers + Quantrill for Stroman + Drury?
IMO, the Archer trade is a tough comp. But when the Yanks acquired Paxton from the Ms this past offseason, they gave up Sheffield (then ranked BA prospect #27) + Swanson (2018 breakout) + Thompson-Williams. I see Big Maple as a closer Stroman comp (Paxton is a better pitcher when healthy, but has very real health issues)
its_happening
Blue Jays had 3 DHs in 2017 with Morales, Pearce and Bautista. Could have added Tulo as the 4th. Same GM and President. Not out of the question.
bigkd1979
I think the Jays would want Gore but that is HIGHLY unlikely but I could see a package of Allen/Patino/Weathers, Quantrill and Ornelas/Reed for Stroman
bleacherbum
If we think logically here, what do the Blue Jays love?
Former big leaguers son’s. So let’s start the deal there. Tigers don’t change their strips. So you get two arms to headline.
SP- Cal Quantrill and
bleacherbum
SP-Ryan Weathers
Add Naylor and one of Ruiz/Arias/Potts
Toronto would be silly to pass that up for Stroman +
voodoo
That’s what half the offer??
jrad2007
Cardinals should go after Stroman
spudchukar
Maybe, fits their mold, however he is right-handed, which St. Louis has a bevy of. You have to balance his acquisition against who they have and who they would have to give up. Hard to believe he would be better than Gant. But Gant has been so valuable where he is, St. Louis might not want to move him into the rotation. Next comparison in Martinez. He isn’t better than a return to form Carlos. Then Reyes. If he can regain form, then I say no.again. Then Gomber and/or PDL. Cards will probably try internal options first, they cost nothing, and I don’t mean monitarially, I mean prospects. With so many options it is hard to justify a trade for Stroman, or anybody but Bumgartner. If all the options go south then maybe, but that move would probably happen at the deadline, assuming the Cards are in contention.
Starvenger
I’m not sure Stro is up to Playing The Game The Right (ie the Cardinal) Way.
coldbeer
Been saying this for months…
its_happening
Any thought of Aaron Sanchez being traded was torpedoed as of his last outing. The finger issues continue and he’s looked at as damaged goods. The return will be minimal.
Stroman, Giles, Smoak and Galvis have to be moved. Although Grichuk was given a contract extension I would look to deal him too. Starting pitchers and Outfielders are on the Jays wish list. Their infield looks fine with some more prospects lined up (Bichette, Groshans and more).
charlesk
Already making excuses for this dumpster fire of a front office. #FireShapkins
its_happening
No excuses here Charles. You know I wouldn’t do that. Fact is, would you want to give up prospects for Aaron Sanchez at this very moment? I certainly wouldn’t.
tylerall5
What kind of pitcher do you guys think Starling Marte could bring back? Once Dickerson returns they’ll have an OF if Marte, Polanco, and Dickerson; however, both Cabrera and Reynolds has played well plus Chisenhall is still on the roster when/if he returns. I would imagine that Marte can be jettisoned if Dickerson resigns, with Reynolds taking over center.
Monkey’s Uncle
I’ve wondered about this scenario myself. I don’t think there is much chance at all that they re-sign Dickerson at this point, not with Reynolds and also Jason Martin around. Reynolds has been fantastic so far and I want to see him in the lineup, but is CF his best position going forward? Marte hasn’t looked like himself yet this season but for some reason I feel like the Bucs just aren’t willing to trade him yet. Is Polanco maybe more available than Marte, or are the Bucs intent on keeping both? There are a lot of ways this could play out.
tylerall5
I completely forgot about Martin. But I feel like they want to keep Polanco more than Marte, if not anything else but the team controlling him longer. CF might not be his best position right now, but he can play it serviceably and you could do a lot worse than him at the position. Plus with Polanco not throwing well due to his shoulder they’d be selling low in my opinion. It’ll be interesting how it plays out nonetheless.
Lovetron
A’s need to get in on this. A groundball specialist with 2 gold glovers in the infield?
Not sure what we’d give up, don’t think Puk or Luzardo would be on the table though. Our next best P are huge injury risks (Kaprelian/Holmes) or have average stuff w/advanced command (Dunshee/Howard). Barreto and Mateo probably not necessary with TOR’s MI prospects, though Mateo in the OF is possible.
I’d offer something along the lines of Mateo/D. Blanco for Stroman.
TheAdrianBeltre
I myself have wondered whether Oakland might get in on Stroman and Giles as a combo deal, kind of like the deal with the Cubs(Samardja/Hammel/Russell, etc…) a few seasons back. Both are controlled through next season as well, so it seems quite the possibility.
Lovetron
Possible but Sam/Hammel cost us a top prospect (A Russell) and our FRP that year (Billy McKinney). I don’t know if A’s go all in like that again. Luzardo and Puk a much better prospect combo.
Now if it’s Mateo, Beck, or Lazarito as a headliner, sure. Beck and Laz are years away though
Dalamar931
TOR really only wants starting pitching back in trades, and i’m sure another MI who could maybe move to the OF is far down the list.
Lovetron
It’s not a maybe – he graded out well in CF. We’re electing to keep him at SS / 2B because of our current situation.
Dunshee or B. Howard can replace Blanco. Both profile as groundball, sub-9 K/9 types with good command. IE a lesser version of Stroman
swinging wood
Ha, I had to read the title about 3 times before realizing this wasn’t about Chris Sale.
cmtaylor98
I see Stroman thriving in Atlanta with the Infield defense they have & the shifting effectiveness they have. I don’t want Giles as he is the same player they already have throws hard, but with no idea where it is going.
Stroman for Bryse Wilson, Luis Gohara, Adam Duvall, and tucker Davidson.
They get a cost controlled OF, 2 Starting pitchers & a prospect with upside.
bigkd1979
What about Wilson, Allard, Jenista and Davidson for Stroman? If it was a package of Stroman and Sanchez or Stroman and Giles I think the Braves would have to include Pache or Waters.
andrewgauldin
I think that’s too much for Stroman. But if most teams are going for him, I guess his demand could get so high that this is a type of offer that hits the table.
Bedminster Abby
The problem is Atlanta has a backlog of starting pitching waiting for an opportunity. Anyone you bring in is blocking Wright, Toussaint, Wilson, Weigel, Allard, Gohara, Anderson, Wentz, Muller and Davidson. I would be more willing to trade Gausman and Teheran along with a prospect to open some spots for a short term contract pitching stud while leaving some room for the young guns to get in still. Mad-Baum may be the better short term answer.
bravesfan
Would like the braves to grab these guys. Cost is too high I’m sure but I don’t see Guasman holding out and Tehran can’t maintain ….
bleacherbum
San Diego’s All-Star break rotation in 2020 if they acquire Stroman:
1. Garrett Richards
2. Chris Paddack
3. Mackenzie Gore
4. Marcus Stroman
5. Matt Strahm/Joey Lucchesi
6. Dinelson Lamet/Eric Lauer
Morejon should be in the discussion at this point as with Reggie Lawson.
Preller needs to get that stabilizer, Stroman fits the DNA of this current clubhouse as well. I think it’s a great fit.
spudchukar
Do they get Dinelson back later in 2019?
bleacherbum
I’m not totally sure what the plan is with him, he was topped at 98 on his fastball in his first rehab start since undergoing TJ. Struck out 5 and looked good according to scouts at the game.
Even if he becomes a Hader type swing guy, his stuff plays.
I could see him in the rotation to begin next year in order to determine how to progress with him.
spudchukar
Thanks, I’ve stashed him on my Ottenue fantasy team. Hope he can contribute. I love his stuff.
Melchez
What does Baumgarner have to do with the Jays pitchers? Jays should trade Stroman, Sanchez and Giles and then sign Kuechel and Kimbrel. They get a bunch of prospects and they have some veterans to lead the way. It would speed up a rebuild. next off season sign another starter and hope some prospects develop. Stroman to Houston for Beer and Alvarez. Sanchez to Milwaukee for Bryce Turang and Lucas Erceg. Giles to the Braves for Drew Waters.
spudchukar
I doubt that is the direction they are considering.
Taejonguy
this could be done- but only if they signed both by promising to trade them to contenders at the deadline… they have cash and could use it to flip it for some more quality depth
BravesNomad
I actually like your thinking here. If the Jays pulled this off, you’re right their rebuild would be a lot shorter. Loading up on good prospects and just spending cash to get through this season could shorten the rebuild time frame by maybe two years.
aerainier
Houston won’t move Alvarez. Maybe not Beer.
Stroman to Houston built around Kyle Tucker and Abraham Toro with 2 or 3 other pieces. Houston is deeper than any team in terms of prospects. If they’re willing to make a deal, they could send 5 players that immediately jump into Toronto’s 25 man roster with 2 or 3 right into the field.
Melchez
“Houston won’t move Alvarez. Maybe not Beer.”
Remember when Kyle Tucker and Forrest Whitley were untouchable? Bukauskas? Paulino and Fisher? Jonathan Singleton?
Everyone is touchable. They are prospects.
aerainier
And every player you listed, wasnt traded.
Melchez
Ahhh, But you just suggested trading Tucker…
Iron Mike
paulino was traded. he was part of the package for osuna
Yankeepatriot
I’ve wanted stroman on the Yankees for a few years now. His personality and fire would thrive here
bleacherbum
I don’t think the Jays would want to see him pitch against them that much in the following years.
That would be a very tough in-division trade to see.
its_happening
Stroman can handle the highs but cannot handle the lows. New York is the wrong place for his personality. Need a thick skin. Stroman doesn’t have it. He’d be better in Houston or St Louis.
thegreatcerealfamine
It makes the most sense for the Astros, and they definitely have the assets to get it done. The Padres talk is just Pie in the sky for some of these fans. The Cardinals really aren’t that good overall, and sooner than later will be out of it. The Yankees need a true ace, and Stroman doesn’t fit the bill.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
I’m predicting either the Astros, Padres, or Twins.
Braves2019
I wouldn’t mind seeing Stroman in a Braves uniform to replace Gausman. Last year I thought he just wanted out of Toronto so he was pitching like crap and this year he is pitching much more to his potential.
Iron Mike
why would someone play poorly to attempt to expedite a trade from their current team?
its_happening
Ask Vince Carter.
Brittingham
The Jay’s won’t be sellers at the deadline. They are gonna sign Kimbrel and Keuchel, then trade for MadBum and go for it all.
jdgoat
I hope they just extend Stroman he’s the exact pitcher they’ll be trading for in the next couple years. And he wants to be here.
Perksy
Nary? Why doesn’t he just say not a single season goes by
spinach
I don’t think it’s overwhelmingly or even generally true that a team would be willing to pay more for 17-18 starts vs 10-11 starts. What governs prices paid for midsession trades is much less how many ABs or IP you will get out of the guy and much more where your team is, what your chances are to win a division, make a wild card, etc., which you have a much better sense of at deadline rather than mid-June.
jimmertee
Time to trade everyone on the jays not nailed down.
Stroman should fetch a god return. Sanche ginger issues will reduce hi value to the point where it might be better to hang onto him rather than get a fringe prospect.
Giles is very good to elite and should be able to get a nice haul for him.
I am not sure I trust these decision to Ross Atkins. The Jays better hit on these trades or they are going to be bad for a long time.
charlesk
So sad that Shapkins will make these trades. I call it 100% that they’ll get nothing of value in return for Stroman, Sanchez, Giles and Smoak. Why? Because Ross Atkins is the patsy in this “rebuild”… and Jays apologists will say they had no trade value. At least players drafted and signed by AA are finally coming up, but I have a feeling Shapkins will screw that up, too. #FireShapkins
its_happening
Stroman and Giles have value. Smoak’s value has dropped because of the lack of 1B demand from top teams. Smoak may have to be packaged up. Tepera should have been dealt last year along with Smoak.
jimmertee
Man is Edwin Jackson bad. Better do these trades for starters sooner than later.
gcv
I’ve been patient through the rebuild but the team is testing that by showing contempt for their fans. The ownership has failed to have a big league pitching staff. The criteria for starting pitching is that they must be cheap. Why.? I can accept waiting for the “kids” to play and moving out experienced players to make room for them. But the ownership gives us Edwin Jackson and proposes trading our only two established big league pitchers. If the ownership doesn’t care about the quality of the team why should the fans support them?
kelticknotz
Jays selling starters ? They only have two starter Stroman and Sanchez. Thorton might be a starter after some seasoning but not right now.
By trade time Jays will have traded Stroman Sanchez and likely Smoak. They might keep Galvis only because he is only here for one year.
If they want to make a real trade …trade Shapiro and Atkins the so-called senior management who have brought us the likes of Jackson and Buchholtz, Norris and others who no other team would let into their parks without a ticket.
For those who think it will be a three year turn around your dreaming. It will be the better part of 10 yrs providing the Jays get some really good management.