The latest from around the AL East…
- The Blue Jays have gotten little from their outfielders this season, though reinforcements could be on the way in the form of Lourdes Gurriel Jr. Sportsnet.ca’s Shi Davidi checks in on Gurriel’s development as a utilityman, after Gurriel was sent to Triple-A in mid-April following some rough defensive showings at second base. While Gurriel has continued to see a lot of time (10 games) as a second baseman at Triple-A, he has also been moved around to shortstop and left field. The latter position seems like Gurriel’s clearest route to playing time with the Jays, as the veteran combo of Freddy Galvis and Eric Sogard have performed well as Toronto’s middle infield duo, plus Brandon Drury and (when healthy) Devon Travis will be in the second base mix.
- The Orioles are facing more challenges than just an extensive on-field rebuild, as The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal explores in a wide-ranging look at the organization. The piece touches on such topics as the ownership transition to John and Lou Angelos from their father Pete, the league’s displeasure at the Orioles continuing their longstanding legal dispute with the Nationals over MASN broadcast rights, and the team’s declining attendance, which reflects both the Orioles’ losing records and the larger economic realities facing the city of Baltimore as a whole. Despite the latter issues, it doesn’t seem likely that the Orioles would actually move out of Baltimore — Rosenthal notes that negotiations are already underway to secure a new lease for the team at Camden Yards, as the current deal expires in 2021.
- Orioles pitching prospect Zach Pop underwent Tommy John surgery earlier this week, sidelining the right-hander for the rest of this season and likely at least half of the 2020 season. As MASNsports.com’s Roch Kubatko notes, Pop was shut down in Spring Training due to a significant drop in velocity, though the 22-year-old did eventually take the field and post an 0.84 ERA over 10 2/3 relief innings at Double-A Bowie. Pop was one of the five prospects Baltimore acquired for Manny Machado last summer, and MLB.com (which ranked Pop as the 19th-best minor leaguer in the Orioles’ farm system) touted his high-90’s fastball and a “plus-plus” sinker in its scouting report.
- After his rehab assignment was shut down over the weekend, Dustin Pedroia will be back playing on Friday, Alex Speier of the Boston Globe tweets. Pedroia experienced some discomfort in his bothersome left knee, though things have improved enough for the longtime Red Sox second baseman to begin games at Triple-A (Pedroia had previously been rehabbing for Boston’s Double-A affiliate). Knee problems have kept Pedroia out of action for all but nine games since the start of the 2018 season, and with rookie Michael Chavis on fire at the plate, it will interesting to see how the Sox handle things when Pedroia is finally ready to resume regular duty.
joshua.barron1
Pedroia, I hope you can come back healthy but you shouldn’t be taking playing time away from Chavis even if you do
hankwilliamsfan1986
pedroia is done. he’s only hurting the team by trying to come back. he’s had 2 knee surgeries in less than 2 years. it’s time for the red sox to move on from him.
kyredsox17
You’re trash. Pedroia is hurt for sacrificing his body to be what he was for so many years. Honor him. He gets his money either way. If he can come back and contribute in some way great. If he can’t oh well. In no way is he hurting this team. You are hurting the Red Sox fan base, if you can even call yourself a fan.
2id
Come on. Can you honestly sit there with a straight face that starting Pedroia at this stage in his career is going to help Boston? He’s had a total of 31 plate appearances since last season. His contributions will come from his leadership in the dugout and clubhouse but certainly not on the field.
deweybelongsinthehall
His knee remains a big if. Healthy and he plays as much as he can handle, probably as a DH mainly with JBJ becoming a part-time CFer and late inning replacement. That said it’s unlikely he’ll ever get that healthy. Could make Pierce expendable if he continues to show nothing. Even that is doubtful because at this stage Pedie just can’t stay on the field.
bush1
Why call the guy trash? Sure Pedroia has had a great career, but by most accounts has very little to offer. Even if he does play well for a little while, it’s not like he’s likely to stay healthy. I realize you’re a Ed Sox Homer, but man face it he’s pretty much toast.
The Ranger Fan
I feel for him because he loves the game,same thing happened to whom I call one of the best to play the game. Josh Hamilton, 6-8 knee operations did him in from baseball. Dustin has been one fiery little scrapper.
jdgoat
If he’s not one of the 25 best players or they have to send someone better down, you’re wrong, he is hurting them. Is that the case? Who knows. But cmon, no need to get so defensive.
deweybelongsinthehall
The team will not activate him unless they believe he cn help JD. He will be a coach or manager one day should he so desire.
jdgoat
Agreed
senior52
Honor him.He plays baseball for God’s sake.Hurting Red Sox fan base.How dare you? You need some more KY.
southern lion
Calling someone trash because their opinion is different than yours??? Well, that’s pretty trashy in itself.
sovtechno
Honor him… lol. Its not like he has to go work in the mines once his playing career is over.
tigerfan1968
I am worried about his long term health. Very unlikely he can come back and play. More likely he will come back and reinjure his knee or something else. I am a fan of Dustin and he is the type of player this Tiger fan can respect.
Nothing to do with this but why was EROD in for the 7th inning the other day ? And three batters. Cora should have had a reliever ready and the minute anyone gets on, never mind two get on, pull him. Cora does not have a stack of mulligans this year with this team. He better start managing better or no playoffs for the Red Sox this year.
jimmertee
Too bad for Pedroia, what a great player and fun to watch. At least he got paid.
Gurriel Jr has some personal issues to sort out before he gets back to the big leagues.
bobtillman
You mean the Michael Chavis from that completely empty Red Sox farm system?
I wonder how many other “empties” they have down there?
jbigz12
Likely not many……It’s a weak system. If it offended Red Sox fans well that’s just a shame. Chavis was far and away the best guy down there
joshua.barron1
It doesn’t offend us. It’s just a reality we have to face. Even a weak system has a few good players, he’s one of the few
jdgoat
I’ve never understood why some people get so offended by stuff like this. There’s 30 teams in the league. One teams going to have the worst farm. One teams going to have the MVP. One teams going to come dead last. Is this participation trophy society that everyone wants to live in?
Bernie's Dander
You are right that one team will be ranked 30th. However, the rankings, themselves, are mostly meaningless. Nobody has any clue who will emerge or bust. And there’s always injuries and guys who come out of nowhere. Let’s not forget that guys like Byron Buxton, Delmon Young and Jurickson Profar were considered future superstars at one time. Forecasting this stuff is a fool’s errand.
jbigz12
That’s just nonsense. They evaluate these guys on tools. They aren’t biased based on what team you’re on. It’s based on tools and projection. As with any projections there will be some errors and surprises. Guys will over or under perform but show me a list of top baseball players in the game and I’ll show you a list of mostly former top prospects. The projections are pretty strong.
Bernie's Dander
I’m sure it’s much better at the top end, bigz. But the scouts are really playing a guessing game beyond that. Nobody knows if some 18 year old will develop that killer 3rd pitch or if some other kid will find his power stroke and tear through the minors. It happens all the time.
jbigz12
I agree that being ranked 30th doesn’t necessarily mean your system will produce the least. But you know it means you aren’t teaming with talent down there. You may find a young home run or two down there but it’s thin and any of that impact talent would be years off. Which is alright because Boston has a pretty good ML team but their farm has also been scraping the bottom for awhile now. Such is life for a team that picks at the end of the first round and has a GM who uses his prospects as trade capital. I’m not saying it’s a good or a bad thing but it’s reality.
User 4245925809
Couple above posters seemed to enjoy posting about the empty Sox system last couple of seasons even tho some of us knew there were some gems within it and Yes.. it feels equally nice to gloat over how wrong those same 2 were that knew/know nothing about it.
jbigz12
Christ almighty here goes John again. What are the fruits of the Boston system over the last 2 years? Chavis? You have nothing to gloat about he was THE top prospect you had. I’m sorry the independent evaluators offend you with their rankings of the Boston system.
Bernie's Dander
I’d say Benintendi and Devers seem to be OK, no?
jbigz12
Benintendi didn’t come up within the last 2 years and neither did Devers. Though Devers only had about 250 ABS. That would only strengthen my argument about prospect rankings considering those guys were all highly thought of. No? There’s no more of those guys which is why it’s “thin.” If it offends you, I’m sorry. That’s the reality. That’s the opinion of the guys who get paid to evaluate players for a living.
jdgoat
Benintendi was a product of one of the leagues top farms and made his debut in 2016. He’s not really relevant in this discussion. Johnsilver, what are you talking about? You realize nothing anybody said was wrong? If you want to “gloat” about guys who haven’t made a debut yet, go ahead. There’s 29 other fanbases who will join you. If you somehow get the idea that I’ve insinuated they have nobody who will become major league players, i guess I’m sorry for that. But there’s really no reason to hold a grudge because…. I said they have a weak farm? Is that what you’re arguing?
rocky7
don’t be offended by Johnsilver Goat…any negative comment about the Sox and he’s all over it with his bean town wit and candor…LOL!
Steven Chinwood
Rocky that is frickin hilarious coming from the biggest homer on this site. “any negative comment about the Sox and he’s all over it” replace Sox with the Yankees in this statement and you just described rocky7 folks.
Sky14
You’re right forecasting is hard, have you seen Byron Buxton lately?
nyy42
Gloating over 3weeks of production? hmm
Bernie's Dander
Career OPS+ of 85. He’s been nothing but a bust. But if you wont accept him, how about Matt Bush or Mark Appel instead?
I Believe We Can Win
Blake swihart
Will middlebrooks
Ryan lavarnaway
Brian Johnson
Henry Owens
Daniel Nava
Many more
Chavis was a 1st round pick ranked top 70 prospect……
Saying he’s living up to expectations as their best prospect and draft billing doesnt mean the Sox system is suddenly a hidden treasure trove.
Our best prospect is living up to expectations! Our entire farm can do better than people think! – red Sox fans
jbigz12
Spot on w john’s logic but that’s typical from him. But I mean it is funny you included Daniel Nava who wasn’t drafted and signed at 25 years of age with the Red Sox. He wasn’t an elite prospect by any means and the Red Sox are like any other team with top prospects. They certainly arent historically bad. Some bust and some become Benintendi, Betts and Bogey. The idea is that there aren’t any of those guys down there right now. Or maybe there potentially is 1 but they’re 18 years old and no one knows that yet.
davidcoonce74
You could make a list like this for literally every team in baseball. The vast majority of draft picks never pan out.
Bernie's Dander
Why are you listing all the busts, SDSU? How about friggin’ Mookie Betts? Or Bogaerts? Benintendi? Devers? Barnes? JBJ? T. Shaw? And those are all on the last 5-6 years. The Red Sox have produced a ton of talent recently.
tigerfan1968
Time to move on from the untradeable JBJ. On any other team has stats would send him packing.
dellarocco72
Jarren Duran
Bernie's Dander
Let’s see what happens when Duran gets to AA. He should be there very soon.
User 4245925809
Agreed on Duran. Sure, it’s only halfway thru May, but the guy has been hitting over .400 all season at high A ball and since he went to JC, is 22, should be more than able mentally to handle AA with less than a full season of professional ball experience. It’s not like he’d upend any legit prospects at portland anyway in the OF mix
badco44
Take into consideration that this team has finished at the top the last four years. Now that being said there are several players that can end up in the majors. Duran kid right now at high A looks to be on fire, and has hit at every stage. System seems to be the weakest at pitching but again, draft at the bottom for three years and see where you end up. Dave will shore up his pen down the stretch.
rocky7
Not accurate man….in 2012, 2014 and 2015 the Sox finished last in the East! That certainly didn’t hurt their drafting.
User 4245925809
No one said they have not made brutal picks. 2013 they wasted 1st rounder (7th overall) on Trey Ball. 2015 they took outstanding player Benentindi, who made his debut in 2016 with the #7 pick. 2016 they took Jay Groome, who kept getting passed over for some reason with the #12 pick and was one of the consensus top 5 that year. It was a no brainer to take him, but injuries have so far derailed his career.
They have done ok in post 2012 hard cap CBA structure. It’s difficult for any team to hit a home run with how it is set up now and trading players away for help mid season as ALL competitive teams do at the deadline, offseason etc.. Hurts also, then you realize that if can think about it
bobtillman
Actually I don’t think Chavis is much….ceiling is MLB average bat, with a little (Fenway aided) pop, less than average glove….but he picked a good month to have what probably will be the one of the better months of his career….it happens that way sometimes.
Michael Chaney
Did you just criticize people for saying Boston’s system is thin, then say that the best player in said system will be an average player at best?
jbigz12
That’s quite an odd sequencing of comments.
Bernie's Dander
A “little” pop? He has the 5 longest homers for the team all season and he’s only been up for 3 weeks. Stop trolling.
bobtillman
Mercy…I was having a little fun.
Really folks, those rankings are at best highly subjective, with only vague relevancies. Sure the Rays and Jays are in the upper third; O’s and Yanks in the middle third, Sox in the bottom third. That’s really the most accurate you can be.
And the reality is that the Jays, Yanks and Sox really aren’t dependent on their systems (or shouldn’t be); when those teams give the “playing for the future” schtick, it’s just BS.
jbigz12
Losing Pop sucks. He has a chance to be a really good reliever. Hopefully he comes back with the same stuff.
MB_
I’m an Orioles fan that lives in Baltimore and I don’t see the attendance ever being what it once was decades ago. Baltimore City took another significant decline in population and Baltimore County is staying stagnant. Because of Maryland’s unfavorable taxes on retirees you see a lot of older people moving out of state. A lot of the youth are moving away after college for areas with more jobs and/or lower cost of living. A large part of the fan base is moving out of state every year. Of course Maryland overall is gaining population, but it’s largely from immigration and transplants from other states relocating for a government or medical job that has no connection to the Orioles. The ones from Maryland that decide to stay here are moving out to Howard County, AA County, Harford County etc and that’s just to far of a drive to the stadium to make constantly. Big weekend games will still be packed, but I don’t see the Os having a large enough fan base to support a team much longer when there are much richer markets available.
jbigz12
The reality isn’t that bad. It’s Rosenthal writing his annual slam piece on the orioles. No one comes out to support a 45 win team.. No one will come out to support a 50 win team this year nor will they for the next 3-4 as we rebuild. We’re running out a payroll that’s going to shrink every single year until we build this thing back up. That’s no different than any other team who tanked. The Astros did the same thing. The o’s finally hired a FO and allowed them to build an international pipeline and an analytics team. These are all steps forward and there’s franchises who pull less even when they put a respectable team out there. It isn’t Boston or NY and it never will be but there’s a market here.
ColossusOfClout
Just a matter of time to introduce your Las Vegas… Orioles/Rays/Athletics.
jorge78
I don’t know what MLB should do with the Orioles. It’s a dumpster fire! But I do know
GREED KILLS. Good luck fans!
Bochys Retirement Fund
Amazing, even at 107 years of age, Pedroia is still going at it!
coldbeer
The words healthy and Devon Travis should never be used in the same sentence. Jays should have cut this guy a long time ago.
mcmillankmm
Who cares about farm system rankings? Sox are World Series Champs and have been the best team in the league the last 15 years!
Baseballallday
Name a contending team that isn’t looking for at least one pitcher? I think everyone agrees the Red Sox desperately need at least one relief pitcher and if it comes down to a bidding war they will care a lot about the state of the farm system. This is a team who could very likely be fighting for a playoff spot down the stretch…
Bruin1012
Look DD built a World Series champion team by dealing from blocked players. The Red Sox were the best team last year it was like they were on a mission. They will be very dangerous in the playoffs this year assuming they make it.
The Red Sox could really use an arm or two in the pen but that’s just to get to the playoffs. The Red Sox have the prospects to get a reliever or two if they choose. DD has shown the willingness to move minor league talent for major league talent and will probably do it again.
Baseballallday
I disagree. They need an arm to get through the playoffs as well. If you think Braiser is a reliable option because of a small sample size last season, I think he’s proven he isn’t. And it still comes down to the fact that if other teams also need pitching (as several do) they have many more pieces to win a bidding war… most teams are selling now to do well later and the Sox simply don’t have the prospects to offer that. Sure they should be able to get a few mid level arms with what they have but I wouldn’t feel good if I were a Sox fan
Bruin1012
Playoffs are a different animal. You can rely on your starters more out of the bullpen. They just need to get there. I am sure that DD will get some sort of bullpen help. I do agree that other teams may have more bullets in their farm but are they willing to trade them. Most GM’s treasure their prospects far more then DD so just having the prospects doesn’t mean they will part with them. DD will get some bullpen help I’m sure of it.
Baseballallday
Using your starters only works if they are pitching well and you are still going to need some people in the pen to help out. Last post season it also helped that you didn’t lose that many games but if the series starts going 6 or 7 games that’s a lot tougher. And I still think other than Sale the starters on that team are very overrated.
The other issue the Red Sox face is their lack of depth. They are literally using Nunez as a DH tonight. If one key player has an injury they’re going to need to figure out how to replace them and i don’t know how this farm system can possibly do that.
Bruin1012
The Red Sox have good starters Sale and Price are top of the rotation guys there other starters are quality too. I’m just saying they just have to make it to the playoffs and you never know. You can get hot other teams can have key injuries. The Red Sox are going to live and die with there starters and that’s a fact.
They aren’t as good as Houston really no one is but you never know injuries can happen. This Red Sox team is still pretty good but they are in a tough division. Would not surprise me to see both wild cards come out of the East. Then we will see what happens.
PepperoniPapi
Even as a Yankees’ fan I’m rooting for Pedroia to return to as full health as possible and have a little time to show he can contribute, even if it is in a limited capacity. I’ve loved “hating” the guy over the years, and seeing him have a David Wright-type slog back from chronic injuries has been a somber reminder that my own youth is fading right along with the heroes and villains of my favorite sports rivalry. Hope he gets in a little bit of a Laser Show Reunion Tour before he has to hang it up for good. Just do it against the Rays, cool?
sufferforsnakes
Baltimore needs to raise their LF wall.
88winespodiodie
I have to laugh at all the negative comments about the Red Sox minor league system and how terrible it is, when less than 1 year ago, with mostly home-grown players, the team dominated the majors. Sounds like sour grapes from a bunch of cherry-pickers and lemon-suckers.
bobtillman
One of the side effects of producing the core the Sox developed is that it thins out the system. Add in a GM whose got the owner sticking a gun into his ear and saying “WIN NOW!!”, some mediocre (and, to be fair, unlucky) drafting, and you get the state of the Sox system. All the more reasons to celebrate the Astros’ uncanny ability to compete and build at the same time; some smart folks down there in Astro land.
its_happening
The Jays infield/outfield situation had to be addressed the first day of training camp. Typical Jays management operating procedure is to be late to the party, whether it’s starting the rebuild or addressing needs like the outfield. Well done.
Where are all the Anthony Alford is better than Kevin Pillar fans? They went silent real quick.
Gurriel is about to enter the jack-of-all-trades situation where he is a master of none. If the Blue Jays are serious about turning him into an outfielder, have him play the outfield every game possible. Have him show up early to games and put in work. Jays fans remember Emilio Bonifacio; fast runner, glove of steel. Pick a position, work with him and get him back up to help him grow as a big leaguer.
Yep it is
Amazes me that MLB allows these teams to be bought and run in the ground for years without having some kind of regulations to force out crappy owners like DeAngelos. It is bad for all parties involved. All other business models franchises aren’t allowed to not meet certain standards and continue to operate.