8:20pm: USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets that there are some escalators in the contract as well. Grichuk’s 2023 salary would jump by $1MM if he makes a combined 1200 plate appearances from 2021-22. It’ll increase by $1.5MM if Grichuk makes 1250 PAs over that same time period and by $2MM if he tallies 1300 PAs between those two seasons.
6:12pm: The Blue Jays and outfielder Randal Grichuk are in agreement on a five-year contract worth a guaranteed $52MM, Shi Davidi of Sportsnet reports. Toronto announced the extension shortly after that report. The deal increases Grichuk’s current salary from $5MM to $7MM and pays him a $5MM signing bonus as well. The 27-year-old will then earn $12MM in 2020 before scaling back to a $9.333MM annual salary from 2021-23. Grichuk is a client of Excel Sports Management.
In all, Grichuk is securing a additional four years and $47MM in guaranteed money with the new arrangement. And while it’s impossible to know precisely what he’d have earned in his final season of arbitration eligibility in 2020, the $5MM base at which he was slated to play this season provides a reasonable window into what he might’ve earned.
If we put down a theoretical $3MM raise for what would’ve been Grichuk’s final arb year, the Blue Jays are effectively valuing his trio of free-agent seasons at about $39MM — a rough contract template that has been common among free agents in recent years (e.g. Jay Bruce, Zack Cozart, Mark Trumbo, Daniel Murphy pre-2016).
Grichuk would’ve been a free agent upon conclusion of his age-28 campaign in 2020 but will instead be signed through his age-31 season. He’ll presumably take over as Toronto’s primary center fielder for the next half decade now that the Jays have traded Kevin Pillar to the Giants (though he’s certainly capable of playing a corner as well). Other potential long-term pieces in the Toronto outfield include Teoscar Hernandez and Anthony Alford.
As a career .247/.297/.490 hitter, Grichuk may not immediately stand out as an extension candidate, but the Jays feel they have reason to be optimistic regarding his long-term value. Grichuk has a strong defensive track record according to each of Defensive Runs Saved, Ultimate Zone Rating and Outs Above Average, and he belted a career-best 25 home runs in just 462 plate appearances last season. Statcast ranks his sprint speed in the 88th percentile of active players, so Toronto surely feels that while Grichuk may never be an on-base threat, he’ll provide quality defense and plenty of power over the next five seasons.
That said, the deal carries more risk than some of the other extensions we’ve seen for players with less service time. Grichuk’s walk rate has hovered between 5.8 percent and 6.3 percent in each of his full MLB seasons, and his strikeout rate has never dipped lower than last year’s 26.4 percent. It’s possible that that mark was a prelude to future improvement, but it’s also worth noting that the improved contact rate didn’t necessarily lead to improved contact all the time; Grichuk popped up at a career-high rate in 2018, which largely counteracted the dropoff in strikeouts.
Unless he can find a way to boost his on-base percentage into league-average territory, Grichuk will have less margin for error with regards to his power and defensive proficiency. A step back in either of those categories at any point over the five-year deal would make it difficult for him to provide adequate value. Similarly, because his on-base skills lag well below the league average, his ceiling is curbed to the point that it’s difficult to envision this contract looking like a true bargain at any point.
The approximately $13MM rate at which this contract appears to value Grichuk’s would-be free-agent seasons has been the going rate for players older than him for awhile now. In addition to Bruce, Josh Reddick, Shane Victorino, Chase Headley and A.J. Pollock were all valued in that range on an annual basis on their own free-agent deals. It seems like the Blue Jays believe Grichuk to be capable of elevating his value beyond that $13MM price point in the coming two seasons, otherwise they wouldn’t have felt it necessary to commit this far in advance. If he can continue to barrel 14.4 percent of the balls he puts in play (as measured by Statcast), perhaps that is indeed the case.
However, the possibility also exists that the Blue Jays paid market prices for a player whose earning power isn’t likely to increase dramatically, and did so two seasons before they’d have been contractually forced to make the call. Having already made a trade to acquire Grichuk from the Cardinals, the Ross Atkins/Mark Shapiro-led Toronto front office clearly believes in the player, and today’s extension underscores that faith.
Grichuk’s contract, remarkably, is the 26th extension of the calendar year and the 25th that buys out what would have been free-agent seasons for the player signing the pact. He’ll now join Lourdes Gurriel Jr. as the only player on the Blue Jays’ roster who is guaranteed any money beyond the 2019 season. The Jays have as much payroll flexibility as anyone in the game moving forward, and the manner in which they leverage that advantage will help to determine how quickly they’re able to return to contention in a stacked American League East division.
James Ryu
Why
iverbure
I remember the days where players actually had to have a good full season to get a extension. Grichuk types seem to be available every year in free agency for less. Everyone hits 20 hr these days. I don’t get the extension at all. League is won with OBP and you sign RH version of Colby Ramus?
coldbeer
How many CFers hit 20+ hrs these days?
James Ryu
I don’t really wish for too much HR from CFs. I’d wish that on LF or RF. (Though it is a nice bonus for CF to hit extra base hits) I’d rather wish they are a good fielder and can actually get on bases to utilize their quick feet.
Lanidrac
That’s pretty much why the Cardinals traded him in the first place.
jbigz12
The cardinals made some bad choices with the glut of outfielders they had. I’m sure they’d prefer grichuk to Fowler at this point. I won’t even say Pham’s name….
david klein
Worthless comment
Yossi Ronnen
Nice deal, I guess that’s why he is not in the lineup today.
bush1
It’s an awful deal for the Jays.
coldbeer
We keep hearing how much Jays brass like him but $50+ mil?! Wow.
Goku the Knowledgable One
10 mil per year is baseline for a quality player these days.
coldbeer
Power and fielding at CF position can be a great combo…not typical leadoff, speed guy at the position.
MB923
Happy Extension Day everyone
goosr
wow thought for sure he be traded at the deadline
Yankeedynasty
So did I
timewalk42
Agents and players must know something the general public doesn’t about the upcoming collective barging agreement. So many extensions i cant recall a time when I have seen this many at the same time
66TheNumberOfTheBest
No, they just know that Tony Clark is still the head of the union so it’s highly unlikely the next CBA will be any more favorable to them.
bigfatandugly
HORRIBLE.
I dont get this team. they jettison tulo morales pillar and Martin in a rebuilding youth movement and extend a 27yr old mediocre OFer which will pay him until 33 and give him more money than yellich makes.
unreal.
bigdaddyt
Lots and lots of players make more than Yelich
bigfatandugly
that’s not the point. this is about value. hes not a player you need to sign now because you’re afraid of losing him in FA. let him play out the season. extend him if he shows better value. 5 years 52M for grichuk is an over pay no matter how you look at it.
Cam
Your logic is flawed – letting him play out the season and seeing if he “shows better value” means you’re going to be paying more because of that track record, defeating the whole proposition around value in the first place.
You’re suggesting Teams should have their cake and eat it too.
cptstupendous
Underlying stats. Suggest checking out baseball savant.
Lanidrac
That’s only if he shows improvement. If he doesn’t, then they’d either trade him or let him walk in free agency two years from now, thus saving them a bunch of money.
STLBaseballFanSince2020
Good defender with pop and some speed out of the CF position. It’s 2019. $10 milling AAV isn’t that much.
That’s just my way of looking at it.
jdgoat
You said it. 27 years old. That fits the rebuild. And he’s not mediocre. He showed he can be a well above average bat last year, even after the atrocious start. Add in the defence, and he is nowhere near mediocre.
bigfatandugly
.247 / .300 opb is mediocre.
jdgoat
.502 slugging 118 ops plus is not.
bigfatandugly
1.8 WAR/ yr avgd over 5 years is mediocre.
jbigz12
He’s only played 4 big league seasons. Unless you want to count that 115 AB rookie showing. Which if you do then you’ll need to adjust that WAR number anyhow. 8.2/4 would be the reasonable math to do for grichuk which puts him a shade over 2 WAR a year in his career.
jbigz12
And I’ll add to that that grichuk has never had over 480 ABS in a season and WAR of course is a cumulative stat. So it’s not an unreasonable valuation the blue jays are giving here. Not many CF’s can hit 30 Hrs and be a legitimate threat to slug around .500. But he does have his deficiencies.
spinach
Citing only a couple of stats where he does not show well is beyond lame.
C-Daddy
1.8 WAR for ~$10 mil per year is actually decent value.
darkstar61
2.2 bWAR, 2.1 fWAR last season
1.1 and 2.7 bWAR, 1.4 and 2.2 fWAR in 2017 and 2016, respectively
If he meant “mediocre” as in “Average,” then Grichuk fits that very well the last 3 years actually
jbigz12
It blows the average new age fans mind that a player can still be productive if they don’t draw walks. His WAR value should go up with the positional adjustment to CF this year too. Realistically he’s probably right around a 2.5 WAR CF with his current profile. He’s a high K guy though so there’s going to peaks and valleys but he’s generally a quality fielder and I’m sure the blue jays are betting on there being something else in his profile. As they did w smoak
johnrealtime
They already had him at 2 more seasons and didn’t have to guarantee next season. He’ll turn 30 the year that this extension starts. I think this is a guy that you let walk. He isn’t worth this kind of money with the way the market has been. If he improves in a few areas then it’ll be worth it but if he does what he did last year then I wouldn’t want him on on my team for the next 5 seasons
Lanidrac
While he plays good defense and has an overall above average bat, he’s also not someone you’d want as a 30-something veteran cornerstone once the rebuilding effort pays off. He’s a decent player, but he’s no Freddie Freeman or Joey Votto or even a Jon Lester.
jbigz12
He’s also not getting paid like a franchise cornerstone. I’m not sure where 5 years and 50 MM means you are a cornerstone. That’s more of a price you pay for a decent starter
mlb1225
Because Tulo, Morales, and Martin were just taking up payroll space, and Pillar was mediocer…?
Goku the Knowledgable One
Why would you not be happy with a solid player signing rather reasonably?
He’s prob the best player on the team rn.
terrymesmer
> will pay him until 33
Only through his age-31 season. Does that change your opinion?
cptstupendous
And completely ignoring ‘luck’ related stats such as babip don’t tell the whole story for grichuk (yes yes babip is not purely luck)
Grichuks underlying numbers are fantastic! Check out barrel %, exit velo, among others, and you’ll find grichuk is one helluva bargain at his price.
cptstupendous
Barrel/Pa of 9.5% for a 2018 MLB rank of 7th (tied with Trout, Teoscar 10 for comparison).
Top 50 in Max exit velo and average exit velo for 2018. And top 60 for hard hit percentage.
Grichuk is well worth this extension’s value.
jorge78
So he is going to put it all together soon and hit 50
home runs!
cptstupendous
He hit 39 last year. 50 could be a stretch but it’s possible Trout gets there. Prob not for teoscar & grichuk tho.
JayBiz33
Not Horrible. While the AV may seem high. they are paying exactly what he is worth and what he’s done up to now.
Not sure if you know this, but Grichuck hits the ball EXTEREMLY hard. He can be considered in the top 5% of all of baseball in average exit velocity and barrel %
He just K’s to much – something he’s working on. 32% (debut) vs 29% today
But he also can run. play D and has a strong arm. And he’s in his prime.
Welcome to the days where teams pay for what someone CAN do vs what a palyer HAS done. look at the Eloy Jiminez deal, he got that and hadn’t even taken a swing at major league pitch yet.. (he’s 2-16 with 6K:1 BB) there paying him 43 million just to get to his prime…
The stats say grichy can do more, the deal will look really good if he hits 35-40 bombs with his Defence still in tack now won’t it.
It also stabilizes the club. And the Jays have finally pointed to a guy and said. YOU! your one of OUR guys…
I think it’s a good thing. I dig it. it’s fine..
osonvs
wRC+ of 115 and an UZR of 4.9 on a year where half the season he struggled to adapt to the American League. I’d say he’s much more than mediocre.
charlesk
Nice hit tonight. The last time this team won anything was 1993. Haven’t made the playoffs since 2016. It’s time to stop apologizing for a management team that can’t win at the major league level. #FireShapkins
JayBiz33
Did you just say, “havent made the playoffs since 2016”?
Its 2019….
Ask a boston/cubs fan to explain what a long time is.
#2yearsisnotalongtime
its_happening
Charles did you enjoy watching the new $50-million dollar man once again K spectacularly with the bases loaded and 1 out? Is it too much to ask for a soft dribbler to the second baseman to score a run? Or even a base hit would be nice.
Oh wait, he’s a .240 hitter. Oh wait, average does not matter to FANalytic nerds. Last night there were 13 baserunners in 40 plate appearances for a cool .325 OBP and only 1 run was scored – thanks to BASE HITS!
Last night was a prime example of data analytic fans being wrong in their beliefs. Very wrong.
maggot
Career sub .300 OBP
sufferforsnakes
Eeek!
makaio6
Umm… I liked Grichuk when he was with the Cardinals. Decent player, but just never could get it together. And unless I’m missing something, still hasn’t quite put together in Toronto. So $52 million? Really?
jdgoat
He put up a nice season with the bat last year despite the low obp and poor start. They’re betting on him building off that.
mack423
Good on them for showing confidence in the player … but that’s a bet I would not make.
bush1
That’s a bet literally no one besides the Blue Jays would make. Completely idiotic extension
realgone2
Yuck
DarkSide830
more of a bet compaired to most of the other extentions, but them again, it also gains more control years. seems kinda unnecessary though.
Goku the Knowledgable One
He’d make the same elsewhere if they didn’t lock him up.
Let alone risk a breakout season in his final year
mack423
He would only be able to get the 3/39 after another season with 2018-like offense imo. Or else he’s a $5-$7M type player you sign on a year to year basis
hiflew
Free agency seems like it will soon be a thing of the past. At least major free agency. Players will be afraid to not sign extension so they aren’t forgotten like Kimbrel or Keuchel.
Christian Larsen
Exactly. Especially the uncertainty of Teoscar or Alford being a valuable player on a playoff ready roster in 2-3 years.
There won’t be a lot of great FA talent in the outfield market in the upcoming years and it’s risky to wait and see.
maxorange33
Seems generous, I’m puzzled on Jays management.
OilCanLloyd
If he hits like the second half last year. This is ok. Should be his prime years.
JayBiz33
I’m on your team. Vs the rest of everyone on this thread…
It’s a fine deal. he’s in his prime years. this is what players are worth these days. 1 WAR/year is worth 10Mill. that’s the numbers people are using now a days.
so 5 years. 50 Million. they say he will be worth 5 WAR over the next 5 years. that’s a reasonable expectation.
Also means if he has a breakout. (which is very possible because he crushes baseballs) you don’t have to pay for it. (bought our arbitration years)
its a fine deal.. not amazing on either side…
which is funny because everyone on here seem to be rooting for Rodgers the corporation to win. Not Randall Grichuck.
Im rooting for the players. Rodgers (and all owners) make lots of money people. they can easily afford it. Relax.
jbigz12
Do you truly believe people are paying 10 mil a year for 1 WAR? I don’t even mind this contract but don’t attempt to defend it like that. No one is paying 10 mil bucks for a 1 win outfielder. That just doesn’t use any common sense whatsoever.
JayBiz33
it’s not what i believe. it’s fact.
blogs.fangraphs.com/the-recent-history-of-free-age…
2015 $9.6 25%
2016 $10.2 6%
2017 $10.5 3%
jbiz12 – i was reading your comments. i thought we were on the same team. lol
but yes. that’s how players are valued today.
jbigz12
I’m not against you but that’s not really reality. How much did 1 WAR OF’s get in FA this year? Those guys were lucky to find jobs. Cargo signed a minor league deal on a year where he posted 1.7.
jbigz12
I don’t think this is a bad deal for risk/reward at all though I’m with you on that. But if grichuk regresses to be a 1 WAR player per year I do not believe his value is 50MM. I was an economics major in college and that article on Fangraphs reads like a theoretical Econ paper. I’m just saying use common sense here. Position players posting/expecting to post 1 WAR aren’t getting a 10 million dollar valuation.
JayBiz33
cargo is 33. welcome to the new MLB.
jbigz12
Jose Iglesias, Derek Dietrich, hell CJ cron. Eduardo Escobar i could keep going in any age bracket. Teams don’t pay $10MM per WAR to anyone except relievers. Where WAR isn’t really the best metric. Teams may end up paying that much when a deal goes sideways but that’s not what they expect to pay a player for.
Thuggababyy
Welp. People were saying on the Pillar thread earlier he’s not part of the future unless they extend him. There ya go.. Shatkins was reading lol
JayBiz33
Pillar’s value is in his Glove. he needs a big OF to be valuable. SF, Marlins… places like that. He’ll do better in SF. good for him.
high_upside
Oh wow everyone hates this deal! I don’t mind it. I don’t think 50/5 is an overly massive contract. I think that his bat is much better than Pillar and defensively we don’t lose much considering Pillar is declining defensively. I think this was a moderate contract that creates some stability for the rebuilding going on around him. He might not end up being a superstar, but he can play and be a solid contributor.
bush1
He’s obviously never going to be a superstar you’re missing the point. The problem with the deal and why everyone hates it, is that there’s a good chance he’s a below average regular, and purely a platoon guy. Dude’s upside is average regular. That’s a lot of money for average regular upside. That’s why it’s universally hated.
JayBiz33
his upside is NOT average regular. his floor is average regular. think Steven Souza.
His upside is actually superstar with his ability to hit the ball as hard as he does.
He’s top 5% in Average Exit velocity and Barrel %. He just K’s to much.
lower the K’s. he’s an allstar. lower the k% hit 40 bombs… superstar.
jbigz12
Grichuk’s floor is K machine bench player. If he regresses anymore in the K department that’s where he’d be. This deal isn’t all upside. He stays where he is now he’s a starting CF. He could reduce his K rate or increase his walk rate and then he takes another step into being one of the top CF’s. Or he goes the other way and sucks. Randal Grichuk the superstar isn’t really reality. I like the guy and think he could be better but that’s not going to happen. You blatantly ignored the fact if his K% goes up he’s a bench player/DFA candidate. Which isn’t completely out of the realm of possibilities.
JayBiz33
K% don’t usually go up as players get more experience. but your right. if it does then he’s worthless.. a la BJ Upton
but you can say that about so many players at any time. But it’s all a gamble. the guys upstairs have had enough time to get to know the guy. I feel like they have been around long enough to weigh all sides and make a decision. which they obviously have.
they are smarter than us. they know what they are doing.
Justin Smoak.
high_upside
No I wasn’t confused or missing the point as to why people hated it, and I didn’t need you to explain. Thanks though. What I was saying is that the contract is not that big, 52/5 is medium and I think he’ll play out as a medium player, but time will tell.
Jeff Zanghi
Yeah I’ve got to agree with the majority of commenters here… this certainly seems like an overpay. He’s decent but not a cornerstone player by any stretch of the imagination and it’s not like the Jay’s were just this one deal away from completing locking up some great “core” to compete for future seasons. Unless he finally puts everything together (which is possible given the spurts of it he’s shown in the past) there’s no way another team was going to “swoop in” and sign him for $50+M – he’s an average at best OF – and some could argue maybe best suited as a platoon guy vs a full time CF. Idk this seems like a really bold gamble…
bush1
It was flat out idiotic
jdgoat
Hopefully this works out like Smoaks deal. Everybody hated it at the time and Grichuk kind of profiles like pre breakout Smoak. Definitely a lot of potential for value but this could also blow up if he doesn’t build off of last season.
jbigz12
A shade over 10 mil shouldn’t be crippling to the Rogers family. The blue jays have very little long term money on the books and this deal isn’t exactly a high dollar one. It’s a bit of a gamble but it’s hardly one that’ll blow up in their face and really strap them financially. The jays ate 4x as much money this offseason for declining old players. At least grichuk is at an appropriate age.
Comment Section Mod
Its not even Josh Reddick money. People just like to overeact and scream, especially some “Blue Jays fans” on this website.
iverbure
It’s not Josh Reddick money. Well considering Reddick is much much better than Grichuk it shouldn’t be anywhere near his money.
coldbeer
Reddick cant play CF.
jbigz12
Josh reddick last 3 seasons 1.3 3.4 1.3. Grichuk 2.2 1.4 2.1. Not all that different.
JayBiz33
“A shade over 10 mil shouldn’t be crippling to the Rogers family…”
exactly.
he’s in his prime.
fine deal.
Lanidrac
Offensive breakouts after 4+ years of service time while showing little year-to-year improvement up to that point are pretty rare. While you will get the occasional Jose Bautista story, you’re much more likely to have a Jason Heyward.
JayBiz33
bingo
rxbrgr
I think it’s meant to say that this year’s salary goes UP by $7mm, to $12mm. That gets the numbers to add up right.
coldbeer
Salary and bonus = 12 but salary escalates to 7. I think they got it right.
jimmertee
I like a lot of these comments: “I don’t understand the Jays Managment”, “EEEEk” , “HORRIBLE” “Seems Generous”, “Yuck” “Still hasn’t quite put it together in Toronto”,
Why trade Pillar and his 5.8m for virutally nothing and then sign Grichuk to a 5 year 52m deal @10m+aav? Am I missing something?
Gruchuk either hits a homer or strikes out. He is notorious for being hot for a month or two then going in the tank for a month or three. Ask Cardinal fans. They have seen this act before.
Fire Atkins now, please.
Ninth 3 Year Plan
Yeah I agree, this is weird
its_happening
You aren’t excited about the possibility of a 3rd place dynasty like the good old days of the 2000s?
JayBiz33
the reason you see those comments is because your looking at comments from armchair GM’s
If you got comments from other real GM’s. The comments would look alot different.
it’s a fine deal. move on.
JoeBrady
I like Pillar better, but he 2.5 years’ older. He is unlikely to contribute by the time the farm gets promoted.
its_happening
$52-mil for 5 years to an underachieving yet talented outfielder. Tells me the Blue Jays are prepared to continue their march toward mediocrity. This is not a mistake signing unless the organization and fans were prepared to compete and contend in a couple years. This signals they aren’t, so we should be happy with the deal. Seeing this extension makes me think they might as well extend Stroman. Although Marcus might want to play for an organization serious about winning instead of settling.
May as well trade Vlad for future prospects to contend in 2025. Next 5 years look at the dirt just behind the plate. That’s where Grichuk’s bat will leave shadows chasing average sliders for strike 3.
charlesk
Why aren’t they locking up Stroman, Sanchez and Giles for 5+ years? The fans need some consistency on the roster to keep cheering through this slow rebuild. Marketing team needs a consistent story to tell & sell. Those three should be your new core along with Gurriel Jr, Vladdy, Bichette, Tellez, Alford and Jansen. I have no problem with Grichuk being a part of that team, but he’s not worth $10mm AAV.
its_happening
Sanchez would be my next pick to extend, and fleece a team in a Stroman trade. I believe if he rebounds, he rebuilds his appeal. More likely Stroman will lead to a fleecing.
I would also trade Giles. He looks tremendous and is attractive given how much he makes. I don’t think he will be great in 2021-2023. Most closers have a short shelf life.
By the end of next season I’d hope to have Sanchez, Borucki, Reid-Foley, Nate Pearson and TJ Zeuch in the big leagues, or sign a top starter like Cole.
I agree with you on Grichuk. I’d still be open to dealing him in 2020.
Nick Stevens
LMAO!
Comment Section Mod
I don’t mind this deal. Grichuk showed what he could do last year and there’s probably more of a breakout in that bat.
Lanidrac
Um, Grichuk did the same thing last year that he always does. The rebuilding Blue Jays just gave him more playing time than the Cardinals could ever afford to give him while trying to compete.
Vizionaire
with all the injuries he has suffered, this proves he has overcome a stacked odds against him.
bobtillman
It’s front-loaded a bit, which is a good thing. But it smacks of what Bill Veck called “the high price of mediocrity”.
He’s not a bad player….not an especially good one either. Kind of borderline meh, on the high side. Tough to think they couldn’t get the same performance at a cheaper rate. But they have a lot of money. And MLB is obviously pushing these guys to shrink the amount of players willing to give up a paycheck (aka strike).
Monkey’s Uncle
That’s a lot of money to pay a guy who swings at anything that isn’t tied down. Seriously, his strike zone is Ontario.
bush1
Lol. That extension for Grichuk?! Really?
C-Daddy
Assuming he averages 2 ish WAR per season for the next five years $10 million per season is reasonable.
I Believe We Can Win
5 years 50 mill ish. Decent deal. Good for the jays.
martiny44
I like this extension for no other reason than that it’s probably totally pissed off Stronman.
coldbeer
Why? He was advocating for guys to be getting contract extensions…
martiny44
Because he wanted one himself and hasn’t gotten it.
jorge78
Next up for a Jay’s contract:
Evan Gattis!
Rich Hill’s Elbow
How tf does Grichuk get a bigger contract than Kepler??
jbigz12
Proximity to free agency for $500, Alex.
ullnvrknw
Wtf? Lol is all I’m saying
JFactor
I’ve always liked Grichuk, but this is an overlay
JFactor
Pay*
jimmertee
I agree. How much do you think a 5 year contract for him would be worth. I know many tend to use war vs dollars, but I don’t but into paying people based on war.
Given both his strengths and weaknesses, my vote is 5m per year.
jbigz12
When is the last time you saw a position player take a 5 year deal for 25MM?
jimmertee
Never. That’s my point.
GDrank
It’s gotta come down to the intangibles. If Randal is a really, really great guy in the clubhouse, then they’ve got a positive influence for the upcoming squad locked down even if the contract doesn’t pan out in performance terms. 10mil a year isn’t going to be an albatross in any case. Hope for the best
its_happening
So this is really a 4-year extension, or like signing a 3-year contract after what would have been his walk year. This softens things a bit. Would have rather hoped for the best possible outcome in 2019 to trade him, get a return that would have at least 1 pitcher or outfielder making an impact down the road. Seeing the way teams are trying to lock down their assets I can see why the Jays would make this move. Although I disagree with it, I understand it.
If he is as good as some of you defenders say, then clearly he would have been a hot commodity at the deadline. If he wasn’t going to be a hot commodity at the deadline, this is an overpay and overreach.
JoeBrady
Not a fan. The numbers aren’t horrible. But the point of early extensions is to get paid off for the risk the team incurs for that early extension. The extension is worth $39M/3 after his control years. Had TO waited 2 years, and allowed him to hit the market, what would he have signed for? If he has the same 2.2 he had last year, I doubt he’d get the same $39M/3, if that.
As a RS fan, I feel the same way with Betts. I’d love to extend him. But if he wants true FA money, then we should wait until he is a true FA.
Bunselpower
Good for Randal. He wasn’t getting that here in STL. There’s a reason for that though.
He’s a player that has a lot of talent. HIts the ball hard, good defensive skills in RF (a MUCH better RF than CF, he’s a below average CF), runs pretty well.
But…he’s got some serious issues. He has very good bat speed, but can’t keep his hands back long enough to utilize it. He also cannot lay off the breaking ball down. As a result you have a guy that will punish bad pitches but will be helpless against good ones. He’s only a positive defender in RF. All in all, a good, solid, bottom of the order home run lottery ticket. But 50MM? A pretty expensive one.
STLBaseballFanSince2020
He was always the exact same player, minus a fake breakout in 2015.
He’s the cracker that the crap sits on. Not a bad player, but not a good one. I’d say $10 million AAV isn’t too bad, but a 5 year commitment is a little surprising given his long history of consistency issues.
its_happening
Thank you. A very fair assessment. As a Jays fan I would have rather seen him traded at the deadline. If he is as good as people say, on this comment section, he would bring back some good prospects right? Probably not unless he gets hot for 3 months.
No prospects in a hypothetical trade, no reason to extend him for that long and that much for a 6 or 7 hole hitter on a decent time.
jimmertee
Comment of the day:
“Randal Grichuk is the cracker that crap sits on”
lol.
Oxford Karma
This move makes no sense. If he is your 3rd or 4th best outfield, you probably have a decent team. If he’s your 3rd or 4th best player, probably not.