SUNDAY: Snell’s renewal is official, Topkin tweets. He commented on the team’s decision (via Topkin), saying: “The Rays have the right under the collective bargaining agreement to renew me at or near the league-minimum salary. They also have the ability to to more adequately compensate me, as other organizations have done with players who have similar achievements to mine. The Rays chose the former. I will have no further comment and look forward to competing with my teammates and field staff in our quest to win the World Series in 2019.”
FRIDAY: The Rays intend to stick to their pre-arb salary formula with regard to lefty Blake Snell, Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times reports. It is anticipated that the team will renew Snell’s contract at the price of just $573,700.
Plenty of young major leaguers are playing at similar rates of pay, to be sure. The minimum salary sits at $555K and most organizations stay close to it, typically handing out increases measured in the thousands or tens of thousands based upon service time and certain performance standards.
The collective bargaining agreement allows teams to pay pre-arb players whatever it likes, so long as they earn at that floor level. Snell, though, needn’t agree to the salary he’s allotted. And indications are he won’t, preferring instead to make a symbolic protest.
The southpaw says it’s “disappointing” that he wasn’t rewarded with a bigger increase after wrapping up a stellar season in which he walked off with the American League Cy Young Award. He was anything but vitriolic toward the Tampa Bay organization, but left no doubt that he’ll also be taking a businesslike approach in his future dealings with the club.
Given his immense achievement, it’s not surprising that Snell would feel a bit slighted. It’s true, as Topkin notes, that renewals aren’t terribly uncommon for players who’ve turned in big seasons. But the examples he cites also highlight just how stingy the Rays’ formula is. Josh Hader declined to agree to the $687,600 salary that the Brewers’ own spreadsheets spit out. Mookie Betts wouldn’t put his signature on a $950K payday after a season in which he placed second in the MVP voting. The same thing happened last spring with Carlos Correa, who was renewed at a cool $1MM.
It is understandable enough that the Rays wish to maintain discipline, as Topkin explains, and are wary of allowing “an exception” to make it impossible to “draw, and hold, the line” in future situations. Of course, the team set its formula by fiat and can modify it at will to incorporate whatever inputs it wishes. No doubt the data-savvy organization could imagine a way to reward truly exemplary performance without opening the door to otherwise unwanted expenses. A well-crafted incentive structure might even make good financial sense, though the Rays have surely thought that through already.
With some prior extension chatter having failed to gain traction, Topkin writes, the expectation now is that the sides will go year to year in the arbitration process. Snell will hope to follow Betts in making his employer pay up through his three arb years:
“Hopefully this pushes me. Arbitration will be the business side, and that’s what I’ll tell them. I think fair is fair. It all comes around in the end anyway. At the end of the day, you get what you put in. I’ll be motivated.”
If you’re interested in learning more about the use of formulas in setting pre-arb salaries, check out this old but good piece from Zach Links on the subject.
xabial
What! Didn’t Trout get renewed for $1million xD
Even Judge got $684,300 this year, a $62,000 raise.
Judge Judy
Yeah… But Snell is no Judge.
jorge78
He just won a CY Young.
He’s more than Judge.
Yankeedynasty
Judge tho…
Phil253
Judge went 1-9 against Snell last season with a .111ba, 6so, 6bb, 1h (not a hr), 1rbi…. who got the better of who? The answer isn’t Judge. 😉
camdenyards46
No he’s not lol
Ejemp2006
Snell pitched less than 6 innings per outing. CY Young Schmy Young.
With that said, Tampa makes whole league owners look bad. Give man money he earns!
Shadycube
Judge was 2nd place in the MVP two years ago and had stellar numbers last year despite missing like 50 games.
Even with missing those games he still had an effect on more than 3 times the amount of games that Snell had.
matt4baseball
Snell and players like Judge deserve more… that is what everyone is saying here. Just because they cap the rookie to 4 year players in a stupid CBA agreement (Who are/were these Player association lawyers?) doesn’t make it right and it’s clearly not at all fair in dollars to these young studs. It goes to show you that Billionaires won’t pay anyone unless their arms are twisted!
lmcpeeks
This is a tired and inaccurate argument. SP make as much as, if not more than, hitters. 6 out of the top 10 AAV last year were pitchers. Every 5th day they have many times the impact that a hitter does. 4 out of the top 10 in WAR last year were pitchers.
Amount of games compared to a hitter is not accurate comparison no matter how you look st it
southbeachbully
That’s a silly way to gauge someone’s value. There are scrubs who’ve owned star pitchers over the course of their careers.
grizzled sports vet
The Pirates did the same thing to Gerrit Cole, then traded him before they really would have had to pay him through his arbitration years, let alone when he would qualify to be a free agent. In Cole’s case, He got $500,000 from the Pirates. Because of the CBA they could have bumped him up to $530,000 but chose not to do it. He was as good as gone from that very day. Will probably be the same thing with Tampa & Snell when the arbitration years price him out of Florida. I hope not, but that is life in “small market” baseball as MLB will lead you to believe. All MLB owners are billionaires but if there aren’t enough FANS IN A CITY TO PAY for almost everything, yet still not line the pockets of all owners equally, I guess it’s considered “small market.” Then the “small market” owners get revenue sharing from the league, & without spending that money to truly compete for a championship, the owners become even richer. They march out their management teams (Stoolies who are paid more than players like Snell) to tell you about the lack of competitive balance in baseball, financial flexibility, or how spending big money on free agents (competing for market value players) isn’t the way to build a championship. And year after year, what is left of the dwindling amount of fan bases believe they actually have a chance to win — all while paying for over-priced tickets, parking, concessions, etc. — while maybe taking home some sponsored bobblehead doll that the owners get some other company to pay for…
luclusciano
Phil253 – that’s interesting logic. You took a 15 at bat scenario to gauge the value of two players? In any world that would not cut it, even with these two. Just seems silly to use that to compare the two.
Cuso
Lol @ Snell is “more” than Judge.
Rick Porcello won a Cy Young also. Is he “more” than Judge?
Willy Mays
Yeah but in the games Snell played he was the major decider in who won the game. Judge can hit 2 hrs and the team can still lose 10-4. Snell throws seven shutout innings good chance he’s winning that game
chitown311
Downvoted
johnrealtime
The rays have a lot less money than those other teams. GIving extra money pre arb just adds to the arb money and has a domino effect on the future earnings. I definitely get the rays giving so little
pinballwizard1969
Seriously that’s your excuse/rational for giving their 2018 Cy Young winner such a small raise. If they can’t afford a few thousand dollars for a player like him the owner needs to sell the franchise.
johnrealtime
Yes, a small raise dominos like I said. More money for each subsequent season.
I’m fully on the side of players should get more money but I am pointing out that it is not so small a thing for a team like the Rays to gift Snell with more money. It is the GM who makes that decision, and the GM has a budget that they have to work with (and likely have little control over largely).
And I think that the owner needs to move the franchise, not necessarily sell it
Willy Mays
If a team can’t afford to give a Cy Young winner at least a million dollar raise that might cost them 5 million over the pre free agency years they shouldn’t own a major league team.Period.If Tampa Bay can’t support a 90 win team there shouldn’t be a team in Tampa.If a team has to cheap out on its best players it doesn’t have a chance at keeping it’s talent so it will never have a sustained chance to compete
jackmarcus22
Lol
sportsfan101
Pathetic how horrible this franchise is to there players, it’s astonishing they still are competitive when they lose all there best players by paying them bottom dollar. Prospects should dred being drafted by this organization
WarkMohlers
Yeah they should dread a team that consistently puts young players in a position to succeed with their player development and analysis. They should accept the fact the franchise is cheap and utilize the information they have access to in order to maximize their future paydays. Formers Rays have done well in spite of the rays being cheap
racosun
David Price concurs.
matt4baseball
I’m always happy to hear support, but honestly These talented young players and Very good, not great major league players were thrown under the bus for the riches the elite players florish with guaranteed everything, in the last 2 CBA agreement while not interested in the rookie-,young talented players. You need 25 players for a baseball team and the lower rung of ballplayers are not compensated properly at all.
stymeedone
I will happily take the HALF MILLION. What where the agents doing? They know what Tampa Bays system is, and what to expect. They also know that refusing the offer will result in getting renewed at a lower amount. So why not just accept the higher offer?
Strike Four
All teams are this horrible to their young stars. The system is flawed and broken. Every player should get the min wage in year 1 then they go to arby every year until they are FAs.
WarkMohlers
I don’t see how going to get roast beef sandwiches after the first year will help with anything.
But on all seriousness that would be super difficult to do. Then you’d have teams give up on players because they can’t afford them and Roch teams sweeping up all these guys and messing up parity.
zpowers
Thank you Strike! All teams do this yet the Rays constantly get demonized.
padam
With a system like that, that means salaries should have the capability of going down if they perform poorly after being rewarded a large ARB win.
SaberSmuckers
Almost as pathetic as using there instead of their – twice.
jleve618
Hey there, they’re using their vocabulary as best they can.
PhilsPhan
True, but c’mon, it is funny that “astonishing” is spelled correctly, but not “their” or “dread”
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
Seriously, Tampa Bay – write a clause into your freakin’ “formula” that you’ll give bigger raises to ANY pre-arb player who earns a Cy Young…
Common sense > formulas
Strike Four
capitalism > common sense
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
I so wish you weren’t correct…
TheTrotsky
Common sense > Capitalism
There I fixed it for you.
thegeneralsloth
How is 6 years of player control capitalism? He has no chance to negotiate is salary and no bargaining power because of the collective bargaining agreement. This is more like communism than capitalism.
Boogaloo
So make all players free agents? Im sure the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers would be cool with that, and you would be crying that they need a system to “even the playing field”
Whos the communist?
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I suspect that if you talk to the people who fled Stalin, they will tell you that it’s a bit different than being a Major League baseball player.
Even one without arb rights.
davidcoonce74
Um, actually, if all players were free agents, free to negotiate with every team, the average salaries would stay the same; the top salaries would probably fall a bit and the bottom salaries would raise by a lot. And why should baseball be different than any other industry? If I graduate from college with a degree in, say, business, shouldn’t I be free to apply for whichever company offered me the best opportunity, whether that’s salary or benefits or whatever?
digimike
Don’t forget that MLB is not a free market economy by federal decree.
southbeachbully
Well every professional sport has a draft. Players in the draft are obliged to be with that team for the first few years of their contract, so no they aren’t different. The only difference is that the yearly salaries start of higher than most mlb players.
jbigz12
If players were free to go anywhere they pleased after a season or two the minor league development system would crater. The incentive to spend all this time and money drafting and developing a guy would go away. If you could only control a prospect for 2 years why would you spend 3- 5 MM to sign him and spend 5 years developing him? The expenditure would start to really not be worth the reward.
stymeedone
Communism doesn’t have a minimum wage of Half a Million. For that matter, there are almost as many people that go to the games to see the beer vendor as the players. (Both paid by the same employer) I don’t see anyone complaining the beer vendor is underpaid, and I know he’s not making Half a Million.
bjsguess
So funny. The lack of basic economic understanding is stagerring.
MLB is the opposite of a free market. Players negotiated a union contract that dictates how players are compensated in years 1-6.
Willing to bet that teams would love a more traditional free market solution. This would include “at will” employment. Get injured or perform poorly – get released and re-enter the market.
The Union prioritized guaranteed contracts. The concessions for that include team control, arbitration, and no salary floor.
stymeedone
There is a very generous salary floor of over Half a Million. There is no ceiling.
Way back when FA was beginning, Charles Finley wanted to control salaries by making every player a FA every year. Teams wouldnt get stuck paying injured players and nonstar players would get less. Players like Joe Rudi and Claudell Washington signing big money contracts in FA did more to effect players pay than Harper signing his record deal ever will.
jleve618
I only take my common sense in its original pamphlet form.
VinScullysSon
Nice one Thomas Payne!
Zach725
Ryas probably just ruined any shot they had of extending him in a few years
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
No kidding! Talk about “winning the battle to lose the war…”
martras
Sure, but the Rays absolutely know they never extend guys like Snell. They’ll be shopping him HARD as soon as he starts hitting arbitration.
WarkMohlers
Exactly the rays know they cannot afford to pay market rate for a cy young winner, so going year to year is probably fine with them. Even if they gave him a raise, the “Goodwill” wouldn’t be enough to make up the difference in offers between them and a bigger market club
Geoinfoguy
They can afford to pay him… team owners do just fine even with their 10% sold out stadiums. If they didn’t then it wouldn’t be so trendy to have a 50 mil a year team salary and purposely lose.
Teams should have a salary within 30% of the luxury tax threshold. If you don’t spend it then the dollar difference is a pay in for purposely being non competitive
fljay73
90 wins in 2018.
If you think the Red Sox & Yanks will always will 100+ games then you are not in reality.
Rays are a small budget team that has to always look 1 to 5 years down the road.
Even the whole league is starting to realize not all long term contracts work out well for the club. If Snell continues to pitch well the Rays will have a very good pitcher to trade & get back another wave of younger talent. The Rays are stacked up & down the system with young pitchers.
padam
You realize every city has a different cost of living. Not entry team takes in the same dollar for ticket sales, local TV, concessions, etc.
refereemn77
Yeah, do they shop him before he even hits ARB1?
fljay73
More likely after Arb2 but the Rays have a deeply stacked system of young pitchers.
Make ’em a very good offer after this season & see what they say?
ChiSoxCity
Ridiculous. He won a friggin Cy Young—pay the man.
BostonFan
Mookie Betts was the MPV PUT SOME RESPECT ON THIS MANS NAME
Ironman_4life
The 1st player awarded the MPV honor
Yankeedynasty
What does it stand for? Most purple vase?
Oxford Karma
Maybe it’s something to do with bowling.
jekporkins
I thought it was Mean Platelet Volume.
Cat Mando
My Punny Valentine?
nymetsking
Maybe it’s Latin for stuck caps lock?
WarkMohlers
Most paluable vlayer
jleve618
May purposely vomit.
GareBear
Most Pins Vanished
gmenfan
Like the minivan ?
Yankeedynasty
What does that have 2 do with anything? He got his 21m in Arb
nymetsking
because “to” took too long to type?
jleve618
It’s the internet brah, chill out. To make another point, some would even call his post more hip because of the 2. If you are too old to understand I get it, I tow both lines.
Melchez
Calling someone too old after you called something “more hip”…
Gnarly dude.
Cat Mando
Pretty impressive BostonFan. You failed to comprehend the sentence and butchered the acronym as well. Nice Job.
As for the Rays and sticking to their formula for a CYA winner….disgusting is the first word that comes to mind.
Solar Flare
Messy Pig Vomit?
Priggs89
And THIS is the biggest problem baseball has with regards to contracts, not old fee agents sitting on the market all offseason.
Strike Four
28 is “old” now???
nymetsking
Compared to 26yos Harper and Machado, yes.
Priggs89
I’m not exactly sure who you’re referring to. According to Spotrac, the only 28 year old free agents that haven’t signed yet are Carter Capps, Justin Haley, Pierce Johnson, Justin Hancock, and Justin Turner.
If you’re attempting to make a point by referencing Machado/Harper, you still don’t have much ground to stand on IMO. They were two flawed (albeit still very good) players looking to break the record for the highest contract in the history of baseball. If they weren’t trying to set a new benchmark, they wouldn’t have sat on the market as long as they did. Either way, they both still got what they wanted in the end (or close to it).
Players like Machado/Harper are still getting their money in free agency, even if it takes a little longer than it used to. It’s the 30+ year olds like Dallas and Kimbrel (and less talented players) that are struggling to find jobs without having to take steep discounts on what they believe they are worth. If you don’t want to pay older players for what they have done in the past, then you CANNOT reasonably expect younger players to play at such a ridiculously low rate, comparatively speaking.
If players don’t want to give up their gigantic guarantees for more reasonable contracts with huge potential based on incentives (the way it should be IMO), then they need to get a chance at free agency much earlier in their careers. That’s the only way they won’t continue to get bent over by the owners who are NOT willing to give 30+ year olds giant contracts anymore. And no, I’m not blaming the owners for that at all – I’m 100% on their side in that fight – but free agency has clearly changed, and the system as it was is now broken.
newman2079
to anyone who claims that system isn’t broken should take a good look at this article. flat out pathetic
martras
This is not an example of the system being broken. At all. This is how teams not named the Yankees or Dodgers can compete. Snell isn’t even arbitration eligible yet. If the first time a player turns in a great performance teams were required to pay them market value teams like Tampa would have utterly NO HOPE of ever competing.
Strike Four
Teams not named the Yankees or Dodgers have lied to you about how much they can afford to spend on players. Fun fact: every single team could and should have a $300+M payroll, as many teams profit that much every year, and this is the thing, profits are through the roof – and increasing exponentially every year -due to strictly to the work of the players. The owners don’t spend because one old white guy would rather profit $300M himself instead of $150M from one of his many earners for the year.
WarkMohlers
Complete BS. Provide any information to support this statement
AtlSoxFan
Give us proof.
Have you seen a rays game? How few fans buy tickets? How about how much rays merchandise gets sold, I guess you see all kinds of people rocking rays hats and shirts around the coubtry? World?
Get over it. The rays don’t even earn 300m a year let alone have it to spend.
Show us a copy of the financial you’ve got, or, stop spouting nonsense with no proof to back it up
WarkMohlers
pbs.twimg.com/media/DUQ_FZtUQAAfCgM.jpg:large
I found this from 2017. But I would like to see where strike four gets their info from because it would change my opinion very quickly
AtlSoxFan
But revenue isn’t profit, and none of that accounts for taxes, and expecially expenses outside of player salary which I’d imagine are very considerable.
Where did that chart source it’s info from as well? Some of it seems reasonable, but, it also doesnt show revenue sharing (or does it?)
It would be very interesting to see inside these teams
WarkMohlers
I’m well aware revenue isn’t profit. We are on the same page. That is all I could find related directly to strikes statement. Which is why I asked the source of their statement. Teams have significant costs beyond the onfield product so to say 300 or even 150 mil profit is insane to me
WarkMohlers
Also anyone can google the braves balance sheet since it is a publicly traded entity. 2017’s numbers do not support the the statement that “old white guy would rather profit $300M himself instead of $150M from one of his many earners for the year”. It’s complete idiocy and i feel like fans of large market teams throw this garbage around to make themselves feel better. Like saying everyone has the same resources but we utilize ours better, when I fact that is not even close to the truth
iverbure
It’s easier to say stupid things and it’s hard to say stupid things and back it up with facts.
I dunno why people are saying the system is broken now? So it wasn’t before or you just didn’t notice it before. The system has worked right up until teams got smarter and decided not to overpay anymore?
WarkMohlers
^^^ exactly. The system now is flawed but not completely broken. How can people complain about a system where Mark Trumbo got three years and almost 40 million two years ago then complain veterans don’t get a fair shake. The movement is towards paying for future performance rather than past accomplishments.
With that said the compensation for prearb and arb eligible players should improve, but Evan Longoria and BJ Upton can eat a fat sack of dump for their takes on the current state of free agents
Melchez
I noticed the lowest payroll teams were still at the bottom.
matt4baseball
So your point is they don’t have money to be a little generous and pay B Snell 1 million this year? They will most probably never have to do it again since they wont be lucky enough to have another Cy or MVP player. Bad business and Karma!
martras
Even funner facts with some accuracy built in. You keep talking revenues, not REALLY profit. Nobody knows what MLB profits actually are. There are expenses to operating baseball teams not related to player salaries and those expenses have ballooned in recent years.
The enormous expansion in international scouting and analytics have seen teams’ baseball administration staff increase. It’s more expensive to run baseball teams in today’s market conditions than it used to be.
The Rays’ revenue was estimated at $219 million in 2017. The Yankees revenue was estimated at $619 million. The Yankees COULD probably support a $300M+ MLB player salary level. The Rays cannot support a $300M player salary with $219M of revenue.
Total player compensation is not significantly different as a percentage of revenue than is used to be, but more money is going to the international and minor league bonuses than ever before.
Are revenues and profits up? I expect yes. Does that mean a team like Tampa Bay can completely change how it operates to try and compete using a totally different methodology? Hell no.
matt4baseball
Like you said in the first line : “NOBODY knows what Major league teams profits are!” Not one of them will report anything that will give the public even a hint. Where are you getting these watered down numbers? That secretive action alone tells you something. What are they hiding? Your revenues are not accurate and missing streams of income from social media, Intl internet agreements, etc. Oh! I do believe MLB teams pay minimal tax with an “American pastime” tax discount program.
stymeedone
I’ve asked him to provide sources in the past. He never does. Most teams are private cos. and don’t show their books. I believe he gets his info from Russian Facebook sites.
southbeachbully
I don’t think anyone is suggesting the Rays pay Snell market value. If they had offered him $1 mil then I think he would accept that as recognition of having a great season. To not pay him a single dollar more than mandated does make them sound petty. Even if they offered him $1 mil for each of his pre-arb years they would come out looking great. They can afford to pay him $1 mil easy.
Bobbig
Thats a slap in the face, Blake and his agent will surely remember, what comes around goes around in the next few years. What happened to gratuity?
jorge78
Yes! He needs a large tip!
iverbure
Can you site any examples of teams giving their players a 100k raise in year 1, or 2 and the player giving a team a hometown discount when signing extension later? Saying the team was good to me in year 1,2 giving me more money when they didn’t need to? Because I can think of plenty examples where it didn’t matter and the player left the team anyway.
martras
Byron Buxton Twins. This year. Due minimum, Twins signed him to $1.75M.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
The Rays are now my least favorite franchise for hiring away Jeff Sullivan from Fangraphs.
Good for him, but baseball fans lost out big in that deal.
Grade_1_teacher
That’s an absolute insult, considering the year that Snell put up as the only real starting pitcher on their roster. The Rays are garbage and they always will be. It’s no wonder why their best players always leave and win elsewhere.
bjupton100
Then he won’t be as valuable in trade. They might trade him this year but more than likely after Sale is extended/signed. The suitors would/could be Atl, SD, Bos, NYY, NYM, Cardinals and Cle. Cleveland could be a crazy one this year, with KK, Wendle, Duffy, and Snell (after good starts for tb’s players) going to Cle for Ramirez, Kluber, and Kipnis.
Yankeedynasty
Why is this a good deal for either ? Rays have a shot at the 2nd WC spot. You don’t get there by trading away ur two pieces to build around (Snell and Wendle) As for Cleveland, they lose both Kluber and Ramirez, their best hitter. If they do this, then MIN is the favorite to win the division
bjupton100
I’d take him off if you think they’d do it. Adding instead Yarborough and Stanek for their 6th-7th bp pitcher. Trading Kipnis after a week or two for a long shot and salary relief. B Lowe, Robertson, and Diaz need to get at bats before Fox, Solak, and even K Wong get up. Wendle is 28-29 and even though I like him, infield is definitely an area of depth for the Rays.
iverbure
That might be one of the worst trade proposals of all time.
sufferforsnakes
Yep, ain’t no way anyone can survive on $573,700. Just terrible.
Ry.the.Stunner
If you’re satisfied with not being recognized and compensated for doing outstanding work at your job, then that’s on you. Most people aren’t you, nor should they be.
jleve618
Noone wants an uppity worker unsatisfied with management either.
martras
It’s not about surviving. It’s having the skill to perform at a level only a handful of people in the entire world can match. Snell’s skill rarity far surpasses virtually any CEO making $100M “bonuses” or, quite frankly, the billionaire owners of any MLB franchise.
If Snell had received even a nice bonus, but relative peanuts, to $1M, I doubt he’d be so openly annoyed.
Strike Four
You single-handedly made $200+ million for someone last year who decided you should get $573,000 for your lifelong hard work. Sound fair?
WarkMohlers
Again compete BS statement. Blake Snell did not generate 200 mil single handedly. This is beyond hyperbole and just plain dumb
martras
That’s so extreme I don’t know if I can bring it back into the scope of debate.
sss847
if your boss says “you had a great year last year, in fact you were recognized as one of the top in your field in the world. we think you deserve a 3% raise” you aren’t going to be happy either.
Mike's Trout
What an embarrassment. Wins a CY Young award and gets paid like a rookie. Rays should sell the team.
phantomofdb
I just don’t understand the logic. The rules allow them to pay him a small amount, then there’s little reason for them to shell out tons of money except “goodwill”, and the rays don’t exactly have the history of extending or signing big names. There’s nothing wrong with the rays saving money by not giving an unrequired raise
eeddiiee909
I thought players got rewarded for what they have accomplished.
Grade_1_teacher
Not in Tampa Bay or in the state of Florida, for that matter.
AtlSoxFan
Like it or hate it, no way Snell was staying with Tampa after arb-3 down the road anyways. This is what the MLBPA agreed to. Don’t like it? Fire Tony Clark.
For the franchise, keeping the pre-arb salary down lowers the baseline for every arb raise to come.
In contract renewal years the team has to pay a minimum fraction (I think 70 or 80%?) of the prior year’s salary and can’t go lower. So, you renew Snell for one year with a couple million bump? Fine, but the NEXT year if he has regression (hello rick porcello year after the cy) you’re still stuck paying him elevated millions.
Then when he goes for arb-1 instead of the hearing looking at a raise from the 600k level, they’re looking from a couple million. That carries through exponentially all the way till the end, inflating cost to the team likely by a solid 15-20 mil when all said and done.
Could they have issued a bonus at year end? Maybe. But is the team doing what seems best for the organization? Probably.
Grade_1_teacher
They do. Just not in Tampa Bay.
smrtbusnisman04a
The Pirates also did that with Gerritt Cole after his great 2015 season. Cole and Scott Boras never got over that.
Mendoza Line 215
That is one of the biggest reasons why the Pirates had to trade Cole last year as there was absolutely no way that he was going to stay in Pittsburgh after this coming year.
I can see how these very good young players get frustrated though as there is no guarantee that they will continue to be able to produce if injuries intervene,especially for pitchers.
Strike Four
Exact same thing is going to happen with Snell too. This system sucks and the owners are horrible people for exploiting it like this.
iverbure
Cole,Snell or any other top flight pitcher aren’t going to say with small market teams. This narrative that giving Snell 300-500k raise just out the goodness of their heart is going to keep Snell when he’s going to be offered contracts worth 60-80 mil more than the Rays would even think of offering, is absurd.
Same people complaining about parity are the ones complaining about Snell making 500k. You can’t have it both ways people.
ndiamond2017
Cole and Boras would have played hardball regardless of how the Pirates handled his pre-arb salaries. Look at how they negotiated when the Yankees drafted him out of high school. Cole bet on himself, and won.
Also, Cole is still going year-by-year with the Astros, right? We can’t say his aversion to an extension was specific to the Pirates.
southbeachbully
That made little difference for Boras at all. Even if they had taken care of Cole, Boras would’ve made sure to take him to FA..
Gocubsgo1986
Could be worse. Could have California or New York stealing their half
Vizionaire
what half?
xabial
Think ‘half’ is reference to high California, NY taxes
Vizionaire
cal tax is at 10% and 1% for property tax. not even close to half. no wonder so many people long for dislike button just to use it on you.
Strike Four
Dumb people love hyperbole and love to present it as fact as often as possible.
xabial
“No wonder so many people long for dislike button just to use it on you.”
I attempted to interpret what “half” meant for you. Doesnt mean I agree, or took it literally.
Wish I had dislike button… Oh wait, no I dont!
nymetsking
It’s called income tax.
Cat Mando
Vizionaire………
When you figure in Fed taxes it comes close. Machado will net about $158m after playing so many games in CA despite having his full-time residence in FL. Quit being a child.
twitter.com/SportsTaxMan/status/109895753821575987…
Vizionaire
any state you go fed taxes are the same.
platediscipline
Difference in taxes for BH: 3.07% for Phi. 13.3% per LA Times. That’s over 30 mil.
williemaysfield
13% for California income but there are dozens of fees and taxes californians pay beyond most states. California doesn’t have a 200 billion dollar budget because of low taxes.
bobtillman
We’re surprised by this because??????
The Rays are perfectly legit in making this move, but it’s just dumb. Dumb to the player, dumb to their 100-strong fan base. This and Pham’s arbitration hearing shows who the Rays really are. But again, as long as the Revenue Sharing formula stays the same, Tampa’s going to do this a LOT.
Until the next CBA, after which the Rays TV crew will be saying ” BON SOIR!Comment-Allez Vous?” .
heater
I’ll side with the rules again. Like it or not they are what they are. They were negotiated by players and teams alike. That does not mean players have to like it but it’s the way it is. If young pre-arb players keep up good performance they’ve tended to more than make up for the first 3 years when arbitration comes around. In fact putting up another solid season only bolster Snell’s future earnings. These guys need to knock off the whining. They act entitled yet they are not. Follow the rules and keep quiet until the next round collective bargaining.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
The “rules” do NOT prohibit a team from recognizing an exceptional achievement. This really seems to me like a case where sense should supercede rules.
James7430
I’ll play devils advocate here. I see both sides but this is a business and like heater said, this has been negotiated by both owners and players alike. There are players who excel and exceed their salaries and there are those who overwhelmingly underperform. In the MLB, for every Blake Snell you have a Chris Davis.
As a player I want to be paid for my performance…unless I perform poorly, and in that case, I want guaranteed money. Best of both worlds. If I’m the owner, I take advantage of good, young, controllable players because I know I’m going to get burned on someone that makes millions either getting hurt or underperforming.
As long as players get large guaranteed salaries and the existing CBA is in place, I don’t see things changing too much.
stgpd
I would not be surprised if there are players whose contracts pay bigger bonuses for winning the Cy Young
jessethegreat 2
If I’m his agent or any other agent for that matter. I draw the line in the sand now. None of my clients would play for such a cheap insulting organization. Don’t draft them.
I understand the rays trying to be frugal and sticking to their formula, but for elite players, you make exceptions. Without him, who do they have to draw the 1,000 fans that show up to their games?
This is where I completely side with the players and the larger spending organizations. Sure player x may not be worth the extension or the insane contract the dodgers / Yankees / astros / cubs / bosox offer him, but I’d rather they at least try! Put the money in the players pockets and show the fans that you actually care about trying to win more than trying to screw over your players that contribute and more than trying to milk your fans over every last dime you can.
iverbure
I’d love to see how you would run a franchise. Great laugh for everyone.
AtlSoxFan
You clearly don’t understand costs of running a business. Just like strike four on here.
Have you ever heard of payroll taxes? Not income tax, or fica. As an employer, you pay the state and federal govt a tax directly that is NOT part of employee compensation.
In our firm, say you hire someone with a salary of 65k. By the time we pay employer required taxes to the govt, into the unemployment pool which basically every job has to, the company pays over 100k each year just to hire and pay that employee their 65k.
If a baseball team pays player salaries of 65mil, you can be pretty sure the player payroll cost (not cots, or cbt figures) is over 100 mil due to govt taxes assessed the employers.
So figure the rays drop 100 mil all in on players, then you have coaches and staff, medical, travel, scouting and development both intl and domestic, infrastructure, advertising and promo give aways… it’s very VERY easy to see 150 or 170 mil or MORE in expenses. Maybe 200 mil.
Against what revenue?
didi gregorious nose
These players are such cry babies, id kill to make 600k in 7 months he says its not fair.
Ok i get it snell was lights out for league minimum salary. What players fail to acknowledge is what happens when pitchers that are making 20 mil per year and get injured and are out for the season is that fair for the ball club? No so ride out the process aint no sense in crying you will be making 20 mil a year by 2022
Vizionaire
the injured $20 mil is not that big of a problem if the team was wise enough to buy an insurance. not knowing that and bagging on a player getting paid unfairly is not very smart.
stymeedone
I’m sure that insurance is another expense not factored into the costs to the franchise. For every player that does get injured, how many are they paying that insurance premium on that stay healthy and we never hear about it.
Strike Four
600k minus taxes minus agent fees minus paying off your parents debts minus…
When are anti-player clowns like you ever going to join reality and realize how the owners are the ones who made making player salaries public in the first place, but their overall profits that are made 100% from the players lifetime of HARD WORK, are unbelievably hard to find.
Grow up, Juan.
Cat Mando
Strike Four………..
“minus agent fees”…Chances are, since the average agent fee in MLB is 4-5% his agent won’t make squat. An agent cannot charge a fee that would lower a players salary below league minimum.
“an agent may not charge a fee unless the player’s salary negotiated exceeds the Major League minimum and any fee charged may not, when subtracted from the salary negotiated, produce a net salary to the player below or equal to the minimum salary.”
mlbplayers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=34…
stymeedone
Still sounds like there’s no claim of poverty. Nice of you to just assume ALL debts of ALL parents of players are paid off by every player. Nice thought though.
Vizionaire
cheapos!
Chicks Dig the Longball
It isn’t the Rays that are at fault here. They aren’t a wealthy team, and this is how they make ends meet. It’s a system that needs to reward younger players who produce for the MLB sooner than having to wait 3 seasons until they get a raise and even then not making the money they are worth until year 6. Then when they finally get to the point where they can earn what they are worth (Free Agency) teams are now realizing why pay for them when I can have another you for $500k.
There needs to be 1 year of pre-Arb. And players hit Free agency after 4 years. If the game is getting younger, start paying them younger.
Strike Four
“They aren’t a wealthy team, and this is how they make ends meet.”
This is unbelievably wrong, the owners of the Rays are billionaires. They are owned by wealthy people. They aren’t a “wealthy team”, they are an “infuriatingly cheap” team run by coward capitalist owners who are more concerned with lining their own pockets than they are putting the best possible team on the field, because they don’t care about baseball, at all.
AtlSoxFan
Again, proof not propaganda. Who cares about personal worth of owners from elsewhere, not everyone is Mike illich looking to perfonally fun a team beyond its financial means at an operating loss.
Show us a balance sheet from the organization, what they’re working with since you seem to claim you know
iverbure
Strike Four, move to Sweden
Vizionaire
one of the happiest people on earth!
ffjsisk
Bryce Harper is overpaid though
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
With not one single damned Cy Young to his credit!!!
Strike Four
Bryce Harper is wildly underpaid, as is every single player.
You really don’t understand just how much money MLB is making right now, do you? It’s way beyond what you think. If you have a skill that causes billions to happen, you MUST get paid relative to the profits you literally bring in yourself.
Vizionaire
he accrued all of 1.3 war in ’18.
Willy Mays
Bryce Harper is severely overpaid.In his career he has had one great year 3 good years and 3 mediocre years.That doesnt equate to what he’s getting paid. Judge Snell Andujar etc are being grossly underpaid however
The Human Toilet
Can the Rays just relocate already? If you cannot give your Cy Young winner a raise it is time to move or sell the team. Rays are perfectly in their right to do this, but it is disturbing.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
Well said. “Legal” and “proper” don’t always coincide.
iverbure
The most likely relocation for the Rays right now is Montreal. If you think Montreal is going to be spending a significantly more than what the Rays are I’ve got a concrete roof to sell you that’s sitting in a wherehouse somewhere in Montreal.
Vizionaire
the likeliest location to relocate to is city of tampa.
mike156
About those excessive long term contacts handed out to greedy players…..
The salary system is screwed up. MLB doesn’t have to pay for performance when the players are young, controlled, service time manipulated, and have no leverage. Now, ownership is starting to think they shouldn’t be paying older players as well. If you can make the Majors, you are in the very top sliver of baseball talent–the type people pay (a lot) of money to see. I don’t begrudge any player negotiating for the best deal he can get.
As to what the Rays did…they were in their rights. Whether they were wise or not is another story.
SupremeZeus
The Ray’s are who we thought they were. These are the rules of the game. If you want more equitable outcomes, change the rules.
bobtillman
From the beginning, the Rays have been hampered by under-capitalized ownership. Everybody knows you can’t make a lot of money there, and you have to bargain-basement when looking for owners.
The ONLY solution, to keep them in Tampa, is expansion/realignment. Get them away from competing with Boston/NY (and, in reality, Toronto/Baltimore) and they can compete financially with Atlanta/Miami/Charlotte (?). If things remain the same, they basically have to move.
Strike Four
Nope, they could sign superstars to get interest in the millions of Yankees fans who live there, play loveable baseball, and win them over. They could also stop playing in the absolute worst stadium of all-time too.
They won 90+ games last year, imagine if they didn’t have a bunch terrible, cheap players cluttering up the 25 man and instead had stars? The Rays should have like 5 titles by now if the owners were not such capitalist cheapskates only interested in making money for themselves even at the expense of those making them that money.
SOLIDARITY WITH SNELL
iverbure
How often do you yell at clouds in the sky?
Vizionaire
i guess as often as you yell at trees for a ride home.
KingSall77
Embarrassing, Rays are cheap. Need a new stadium need to get out of Tropicana Field.
Strike Four
Need NEW OWNERS before all that.
baseballnerd20
Someone please tell me how Tony Clark still has a job.
LarsLap
I know who won’t be a Ray in a couple of years…… yeah Snell and everyone else who is any good. What a joke organization.
bobtillman
In the end, it’s just bad PR, for a team that, with a young, exciting team and a fairly innovative FO, can barely draw a million fans. Snell might be a little kooky, and, as been said before, not the brightest tool in the shed, but his year last year was phenomenal. The Rays should be marketing the guy, not peeing him off. All the “Snellzilla” bobbleheads don’t mean much when he’s fighting with ownership over , relatively, pennies.
jd396
….and, all the union cares about is free agents not getting as much opportunity to sign albatross contracts.
jleve618
Actually they gave up alot in the last cba so that they got a clause in the agreement that a gourmet breakfast chef was in each spring training clubhouse. Look it up.
aerojim38
He won’t be a Ray for too much longer.
Greg M
It’s not the team’s fault. If you don’t like the agreement you have with the owners then you should complain to the MLBPA. I’m so sick and tired of these young athletes thinking they are so special that they should get special treatment. Take your measly $573,700 pittance and don’t buy a $500,000 car. Then maybe you can find a way to stay out of the breadline.
ChiSoxCity
Come on man, the system’s f’ed up and everybody knows it. Athletes should get paid based on performance, not longevity. The best players in the game are mostly underpaid young guys.
SFGiantsGallore
This is egregious!
ndiamond2017
Is there any evidence that teams benefit from offering more than the minimum to pre-arb guys? Did the Rockies’ pre-arb stinginess with Arenado hamper their ability to extend him? Did the Angels’ pre-arb generosity with Trout get him warmed up to a hometown discount?
iverbure
Surely strike four has some evidence of this.
Vizionaire
it’s just one player.
Melchez
The team needs to give him a nice bonus.
I remember Mike Illich would do that. I don’t recall the player but he just missed a performance bonus from his contract and Illich gave it to him any way. He gave his Red Wing players bonuses also.
bravesfan
Just pay the kid. Good time to wrap him up in a longer term deal. 5-10 years at a unreal cheap contract. The better he gets the more expensive he’ll be. And if u stick it to him now, he’ll stick it to u later. Plus a cheap extension makes you look good if he works out and won’t kill you if he is just a Avg from now on
Tampadelphia Ed
Don’t be shocked when Snell shuts it down early this season to preserve his arm. What goes around comes around. Snell will be on a plane out of town at his first opportunity. If you can’t afford the team then sell it but quit crying poor mouth.
Bartman
Snell, don’t ruin your arm for chump pay. Let them know you’re saving it for compensation commensurate with performance and as the BEST pre-arb pitcher you should get the highest pre-arb pay.
Tiger_diesel92
This guy will get traded just like any pitcher that gets expensive for them.
orangenblackattack
The classy move is to renew Snell at a cool million. As for worrying about “future situations,” if other Rays players earn a Cy Young in their third year in the league, they can earn a million too. Otherwise it’s not an issue.
STLBaseballFanSince2020
21-5 1.89 ERA 180IP Cy Young
$15,500 raise.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
A couple of lower infield box season ticket sales should be able to pay for this. I hope they can pull it off.
Tiger_diesel92
Yet why can’t these ball players get off their lazy bums and get the ball if you’re a paying a ball boy the minimum wage? Lots of people can say go to hell with you and don’t organize your field either because you’re paying players more than what the president of the USA makes in a year.
bobtillman
They renewed Stanek (who was better than “meh”) and Wendle (who was quite good for a minor league vagabond) also.
So if they gave those guys another 100K each (200K for Snell?), it would have killed somebody?
The whole thing is, is that it’s the Rays; the Red Sox only gave Benetendi a token raise. But everybody knows the Rays are OBSESSED with the dollar, and it just feeds the narrative. When the owner claims he’s “lost money”, and EVERY economist guffaws loudly, it just adds to the franchise’s general perception.
Yossi Ronnen
It’s ok, next year his ERA will go up by 0.01 and the Rays will claim that he’s declining in his arb hearing and offer him 700k.
sfjackcoke
the MLBPA has failed their rank & file. MLB minimum wage hasn’t kept up over the years and seriously how is their one minimum wage for players with 1 to 3yr service time?
In recent CBA’s all the MLBPA has done is taken $ from amateurs, international players and MiLB players so that it would in theory benefit ~100 free agents. All the MLBPA has done is create a cheap labor class that is taking jobs from MLB middle class free agents. So these young guy, the non-stars need to stop towing the line /
Is Tampa smart in this situation? No they are not, the CBA is set to expire soon you don’t know the work rules other than expect changes. What they should have done is look to the various players around the league with award clauses in their contract and as a one off bonus match it + make a contribution to a players fave charity. It’s a bad look, a bad message, I get that TB has limited resources but if they don’t have $100K, that operation needs to fold, leave Tampa and go somewhere else.
matt4baseball
I agree, The MLBPA lawyers should be fired for their work in the last 2 CBA agreements. The Rookie to 5 year player were never represented at all,. Along with the owners taking advantage of every dollar loophole to be found. The Player association will have no choice but to strike next time because they have to debate back to parity with baseball profits and owners deceitful business practices. SAD.
stymeedone
Sure. Strike. If you want to see ratings and attendance and revenue fall, thats a great way to do so. I am sure the players will be happy with their piece of a much smaller pie. As MLB has not been able to attract the younger fan, the majority of us still remember the last strike, and won’t take kindly to another. Just remember, it’s the fans that provide that pie your splitting. If we lose, you lose.
Cam
100%. The MLBPA, in an attempt to funnel money towards the top percentile of their Members, have only managed to create a class of cheap players for Owners to use instead of overpaying for that top percentile.
nonadhominem
You left out the cost of insuring the contracts in case of injury, the cost of the medical insurance on the players and the rest of the employees (tix sales dept and marketing edpt, etc.).
Personally, I don’t take a side in this dogfight because I think the players are owners are equally greedy, but some of the people who post here about immoral the owners are just don’t understand what it is to run a business and all the other costs associated with it. They act like players salaries are the only expense.
Chuck Finley was probably right – let every player become an FA at the end of every season, and then they can negotiate a new one year deal. That way, the player takes the financial risk of getting injured. Also, player compensation would become more performance based. A guy like Snell would be getting big buck this year from some team, and Albert Pujols
Mike Trout WOULD be making $50MM per season if that were the case, and there’s not way guys like Jordan or Ryan Zimmerman, Barry Zito, Eric Hosmer and many others would even be sniffing the guaranteed money they have coming.
Another example: Jayson Werth made $83MM in his age 35-38 seasons.
baseball-reference.com/players/w/werthja01.shtml
No way he comes close to that if he had to be an FA every year.
Many other examples too.
The only disadvantage that would have for team owners is that they would have trouble marketing an every changing array of faces every year, and the low revenue teams would be at a severe disadvantage, so much so that their fan bases might shrivel up and die because they could never be competitive.
I’ll be if the owners proposed free agency every year for every player in the next CBA the union would run from it like the plague.
nonadhominem
“In recent CBA’s all the MLBPA has done is taken $ from amateurs, international players and MiLB players so that it would in theory benefit ~100 free agents.”
No, no, no, not the players. They haven’t sc****d anyone else – not them – not those little angels. They’e so altruistic they would never do that to anyone.
The truth is you are exactly correct, The players (MLBPA) have done their own share of sc****ng – OTHER PLAYERS… who they don’t represent – all with the goal of lining their own pockets.
That’s why I don’t take sides in this fight.
Both sides are equally greedy.
goldenmisfit
While Tampa Bay is completely within your rights based on the CBA to do this this is really a kick to the nuts of Blake Snell. It is moves like this why they always lose their best players and why they can never compete with the Yankees and Red Sox. When those teams have these same decisions to make you always end up hearing how they just signed those players to multi year multi million dollar extensions. Believe me when the time comes for Blake Snell to talk extension with Tampa he will not forget this his statement just really told that story. Either Tampa will have to fork over the cash or he will go and sign somewhere that actually believes in paying their players what they are worth.
AtlSoxFan
You’re half right and mostly wrong here – yes, the renewal is a bit like a kick to snell’s nuts, BUT it’s moves like that which DO allow the rays to compete with the likes of the Sox and yanks.
If not for depressing salaries and keeping young pre-arb talent on the field and a ting as if in constant rebuild – ie then flipping near free agent premium talent for gobs of near mlb prospects – the team wouldn’t have the financial firepower to put a competitive team on the field.
You seem to forget the years the rays ousted their financial betters from the postseason, and outplaced them in the division standings.
Willy Mays
For the last month or so I’ve seen many people in this comment section complaining how greedy players are being grossly overpaid. How come I don’t see any of them commenting here about how the poor owners have to overpay their players
pinballwizard1969
You might want to rethink that comment about “poor owners”. Stuart Sternberg Net Worth and salary: Stuart Sternberg is an American Wall Street investor who has a net worth of $800 million dollars. Stuart Sternberg is the principal shareholder of the ownership group that owns the Tampa Bay Rays and has been the team’s Managing General Partner since November 2005.
AtlSoxFan
Which has what to do with the price of tea in china?
Personal net worth has no correlation to a teams payroll, the only thing that should is team net income after expenses. Owners don’t exist to funderstand baseball salaries from their personal assets – if they want to, fine, but there is no “obligation” to do so.
As much as baseball is a “business” where players deserve to be paid based on income generated, so do owners have a right to R.O.I.
If you have a 300, 400, 700 million asset, you have a right to earn some return on that investment. Maybe not a 20% roi, but certainly 7-10.
matt4baseball
The owners are making untold money on baseball, Besides earnings topping 11 billion per year and somewhat distributed to all 30 clubs, The value of the club ownership have gone up generally from 100 million to over 2 billion in 15 years! Quite an increase! Not to mention they don’t have to pay tax and will never give public information on their profits or even truthful revenue. What are the baseball owners hiding? Oh! baseball has Billionaires around the block to be Owners.
pinballwizard1969
Interesting fact.
Blake Snell – MLB Service Time: 2.07 yrs, Major Awards: Cy Young Winner … 2019 Salary $573,700
Aaron Judge – MLB Service Time: 2.05 yrs, Major Awards: Unanimous ROY Winner … 2019 Salary $684,300
AtlSoxFan
Sounds right about what Tony Clark bargained for. Union makes a bad deal the pundits decried as a bad deal at the time, players vote to ratify the bad deal, can’t go back and say they’re unfairly taken advantage of.
Taken advantage of, sure, but not unfairly – only to the extent of what they agreed to.
acmeants
No, the Rays didn’t have to up Snell’s compensation because he had a phenomenal season, but it certainly would have been nice of the team to show some class and be gracious enough to give him a bonus. Good will is pretty valuable in business.
Mill City Mavs
These are the things players remember when it’s extension time. Guy should’ve easily been made close to a million regardless of the system. Tampa will never be able to retain their great talent. Send him up here to Minnesota, we’ll take him in a heartbeat and pay the guy properly. Cy young for under 600k…. there should be automatic escalators in these figure discussions. He has a right to be disappointed.
stymeedone
Will be happy to trade him to MN, but since he is making less than 600k, it’s gonna cost ya more in prospects! (Knew there was a reason to renew him)
Dark14ry
Better interesting stat regarding salary this season:
Blake Snell $573,700
Aaron Judge $684,300
Bobby Bonilla-$1.19 Million
Scrap1ron
You got your troubles, I’ve got mine.
dan-9
The Rays generally aren’t stupid. Snell is complaining, but the Rays probably figured that, come free agent time, it will not make a difference to Snell whether they gave him an extra million now or not. They figure he will not sign a team-friendly extension either way, but will go for the money.
Maybe they are incorrect in this case, and Snell would have genuinely appreciated a good faith gesture, and given them a hometown discount in return. But either way, the Rays aren’t just being short-sighted. They are too well-run an organization for that.
Painful itch
I don’t have a problem with lower wages for the players. I have a problem with the cost for a family of four to attend a single game. Let’s talk about who really gets hosed. $25 to park a mile away from the park. $60 plus for average seats per person. $10 beer. That’s why I enjoy going to the Minor League parks watching the top prospects when they come thru. Relaxing affordable night out.
AtlSoxFan
What team (s) are those figures for?
I can attend a game in atlanta for about 1/3 of that.
I bought yankees/redsox tickets in fenway for less than that for grandstand seats. I did pick up a couple sets of box seats in fenway for some of the other yanks/sox games, but, those are above “average” seats.
ken48tribe
What Snell got was a COLA.
stymeedone
Many workers don’t even get that.
Ketch
How does Blake Snell make less money than Blake Swihart? In what world does that make sense?
hiflew
Earth. Welcome to it. Life isn’t fair. Sometimes the bad guy wins.
AtlSoxFan
Makes perfect sense – it’s all about service time.
Swihart was a super-2 player and arbitration eligible for the first time.
Snell was NOT a super-2 player, NOT eligible for arbitration based raise, and got renewed based on mlb minimum.
It’s all about service time cutoff.
davelsu
Business like? He has no leverage other than future arbitration. He can thank his union. Rays can still come forward with a deal later; he can choose to take it or bet on himself thru arb process. End of story!