In two straight offseasons, the Padres have acted out of character with the splashy free agent signings of Eric Hosmer and Manny Machado. Those same players took it upon themselves this Spring to back one of their own. Per ESPN’s Jeff Passan, Hosmer and Machado met with Padres owner Ron Fowler over dinner, lobbying for the promotion of young star Fernando Tatis Jr. Fowler was apparently amenable to the idea as Tatis Jr., 20, made the Opening Day roster, as did top pitching prospect Chris Paddack, 23.
In what’s become more-or-less boilerplate around the league, teams have taken to holding presumably-ML-ready prospects in the upper minors for the first few weeks of the season, thereby gaining an extra year of team control. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is the most obvious current example, while the White Sox finagled a workaround by signing Eloy Jimenez to an extension, prompting concerns over the use of this practice as negotiating leverage. The Padres decision to go against the grain was a breath of fresh air in an otherwise fiscally conservative marketplace.
After all, they aren’t considered favorites for postseason play. But there is a certain harmony to kicking off this era of Padres baseball with Machado and Tatis Jr. together on the left side of the infield, and after spending big on Hosmer and Machado, there’s an argument to be made that now is the time to maximize their odds of competing. The move costs the Padres the possibility of a seventh season of team control down the line, but there’s baseball being played today in San Diego, and it certainly make for a better show with Tatis Jr. in the lineup.
Through two games, Tatis Jr. has three hits in six at-bats while batting sixth in the order. Paddack, 23, is expected to make his debut on Sunday, getting the start at home against the Giants.
RATTY
The Padres are very entertaining…Go Pads!
trendysayings
There’s also nothing stopping SD from demoting Tatis to AAA at some point this year if he gets into a slump. Honestly, they have depth with Urias and Kinsler to still have a solid infield
Grizalt
A grievance from the MLBPA if he doesn’t completely suck is what would stop them from doing that.
ckln88
Very hard to come by for the most part. He’d have to be hitting well over .270 IMO.
lowtalker1
Pretty cool. I read the article related to this the other day. The fact that manny and Eric wines and dined their owner to bring the proposal up. That’s pretty cool.
getright11
And he gave in. Dumb move.
trident
Is it? It builds goodwill within the organization and the players feel valued.
Grizalt
So you want to give up a year of an All Star’s prime because of “goodwill?” When’s the last time a player acted in his team’s best interest unless it also happened to be his own?
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Trident — There are a few Padres fans that see misery in every decision that gets made. There is no convincing them. To them, concepts like harmony and collective energy are fantasy concepts from Hallmark. When people get stuck in their left-brain, overly rational, tunnel vision rabbit hole, they can’t step back and look at the bigger picture. I pity such people.
petrie000
If this convinces Tatis the Padres are a good organization that’s serious about winning as many games as possible, then arguably it is in his best interest to sign long term.
The team will make more money this season with Tatis, and their playoff odds get that much better, so while maybe not that safe decision, it’s not necessarily a bad one either.
Especially given the odds of major changes coming to the system in the next CBA. That 7 year might not actually be guaranteed anymore.
Grizalt
@Tipsy Holding Tatis down for 15 days wouldn’t have stopped your “harmony” or “collective energy” from happening!!!!!!! It didn’t stop it for Chicago. It didn’t stop it for Atlanta. It wouldn’t have stopped it for SD.
Grizalt
@petrie and if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle.
petrie000
Whether she’s your aunt or your uncle, that’s still a fantastically weak defense of your argument.
Grizalt
Not at all. There’s a whole lot of “if’s” in your argument. Having control of FTJ’s age 26 season if they had held him down for a measly 15 days was never an “if.” It was guaranteed.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Well, the players thought otherwise, so take it up with them. Maybe write them a letter to the editor.
I Believe We Can Win
Promoting tatis jr did 3 things
1. It gave tatis jr faith in the organization. Instead of screwing him around they promoted him.a.d will use that as a talking point when they come at him with an extension.
2. It bridged a hard gap between players and management which has at times caused issues for other organizations.
3. It boosts sales of tickets for padres fans to finally see the young awaited core weve been putting together in 2015 2016 2017.
Padres are watching the Bryant cubs saga closely which no doubt influenced the decision.
petrie000
Yes, there are a lot of ‘if’s, but they are rational ifs
Your entire argument is also predicated on a lot of hypotheticals. Such as Tatis becoming a superstar, not being injured, not signing an extension… I mean, a lot can and will happen between now and then
So for you to dismiss a hypothetical scenario so flippantly because it’s hypothetical when you’re counter argument is also based purely on hypotheticals is..
Well, weird to say the least
Grizalt
@Tipsy What effect did manipulating Bryant’s service time have on Rizzo? Acuña on Freeman?
What hypotheticals!?!?!?!? Ain’t nothing hypothetical about guaranteed control of Tatis’ age 26 season. And if he sucks as you are suggesting he might, he can be non-tendered.
Wrong your btdubs.
Grizalt
@MathTeacher
1. That means nothing. He’ll sign an extension if they meet his asking price. Regardless of anything else.
2. What issues? Cubs and Braves are sitting real pretty right about now.
3. 15 days of increased tickets sales doesn’t do much
I am watching it too and I’m not convinced Bryant would have given CHC any kind of discount if they hadn’t done what they did.
Duck Da Duck
Tatis is an All-Star 2 games into his pro career? Fastest 1st All Star in history, even before the first All Star game in his first season.
You are a genius.
Grizalt
@Duck Da Duck Oh he will be. Leave the snark to people who are good at it.
ckln88
Petrie – great point about how the next CBA May change things.
Duck Da Duck
And you are criticising people about “what if’s”.
2 games in, an All Star, and the FO won’t extend him.
Grizalt
What if they don’t?
lowtalker1
I don’t think you realize how deep the padres Farm is.
I’ll pull a vinnie… Imbecile
MiserablePadreFan
If you haven’t watched the Padres’ first two games, there is an excitement with the players and the fans that we haven’t seen since ‘98. Everyone is counting the Padres out because they lack starting pitching. That’s so cute. Top notch offense, awesome defensive infield and catcher, and lights out bullpen behind these young studs will make the Padres contenders this year.
jbigz12
It was the giants. I understand it’s an exciting time but you’re playing one of the worst offenses in all of baseball. We’ll see in time.
petfoodfella
Pitching wins championships. Especially with the $300m K Machine.
jdgoat
Wow good one
jbigz12
That’s just not a very good comeback Mack. Manny machado is not a high strikeout player at all.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Agree. I think jbigz should take your name though. It is more fitting. Maybe you could change your name to “ALotLessMiserableThanIUsedToBePadreFan.” You know that the cynics will immediately start screaming about how they were right the second that the Padres have a losing streak. This is a young team. They will have an up and down season. To me, whether they have a winning record or not, that excitement should stay with them throughout the year, and upper management is playing an important role in (hopefully) sustaining this excitement.
jbigz12
It’s the giants. Don’t lose your mind yet. It’s a good start but remember who you’re playing. I realize you’re through the roof right now but we’ll see when it’s the dodgers or Rockies or you know.any team that doesn’t project to be in the bottom 5 of baseball. I never thought the padres weren’t better than the giants.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
No one is losing their mind. Calm down. Have a cuppa tea and relax.
jbigz12
You just @‘d me for whatever reason. The guy who I replied to sure seems like he is losing mind over 2 games v the giants. Hence my comment…
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Let him lose his mind. The Padres haven’t been above .500 since 2015.
jbigz12
How is screaming we were right after the padres have a losing streak worse than this guy proclaiming the padres contenders after beating the hapless Giants twice? i wish the padres the best and hope things go very well for them this year but let’s be real here. I don’t need vindication and certainly won’t be flaunting how “right” I was. I have my opinion and that’s that.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Jbiz. No one is screaming except you. That screaming you hear? That’s in your own head. I promise.
Me: I’m calmer than you are.
You: Yeah, waving the effing gun around?
Me: Calmer than you are.
jbigz12
Why are you being confrontational? I’m not in the slightest. My response was to the OP’s post. He just proclaimed them contenders after 2 games. I don’t think you’re reading this exchange at all.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I’m not trying to be confrontational. My apologies if you feel bullied or confronted. I mean that. Did you at least like my Big Lebowski joke?
jbigz12
Lol. I don’t feel bullied I’m just not like padresfan down here and I’m not going to keep beating the dead horse on my Point. Which is fine too if he wants to do that. I’ve let my opinion be known it’s out there now I don’t need to shove it down anyone’s throat again. The big Lebowski went joke went over my head there it’s been awhile since I’ve seen it but its coming back to me now that you said that.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Liam and me, we’re going to eff you up.
Yeah….well…that’s just like your opinion man.
Grizalt
Waiting 15 days to call up FTJ wouldn’t have stopped that excitement from happening.
MiserablePadreFan
FTJ will never reach arbitration after he signs his first pre-arb extension so that’s a moot point. You field your best team on opening day and send a message to everyone that it’s ‘on’.
Grizalt
You sound convinced on the Tatis extension. Might I ask why?
Duck Da Duck
You seem convinced he won’t, might I ask why?
I mean he IS playing with his childhood idol next to him for 10 years and all.
Grizalt
I’m not convinced of anything other than acting under the assumption that you will be able to extend a player not being smart.
Duck Da Duck
Didn’t answer either question.
Answer them please, Mr. Tatis is an All Star after 2 games.
Duck Da Duck
And you do seem convinced he won’t sign an extension, you have been saying it all week.
Grizalt
Don’t put words in my mouth. I’ve always acknowledged the possibility that Tatis signs an extension. But it’s also a possibility that he doesn’t. If they had held Tatis down for 15 days, losing him after 2024 would not have been a possibility. And an extension still would have been a possibility.
bobtillman
Oh ya, millionaires and billionaires having dinner…warms the cockles of your heart….
But it’s a good move, on both their parts. Nobody wants a strike, but many still see it as inevitable. Stuff like this can prevent same.
LordBanana
Seems like a pretty cheap way to make them a more attractive destination.
allweatherfan
As long as the rule exists, leaving them in the minors is the right thing to do for the team and the fans. As a fan, I rather see the top prospects for another year than a few weeks. If the players don’t like it they can try and get it changed during the next negotiation.
nmc420theambassador
ask every padre fan at the games, not including ryan, and see how many would have preferred to NOT watch tatis start the year. you’ll find your wrong, and the logic you’re clinging to will be irrelevant soon
LordBanana
As a true fan I want to see my team field the best squad possible and don’t care about the billionaire owner saving a few pennies.
Grizalt
How is throwing an All Star’s age 26 season into the garbage “fielding the best squad possible?”
bbatardo
A lot can happen between now and then. I’m glad they are taking a chance and Tatis Jr may sign an extension making it a moot point. Besides money, players enjoy a good ownership group and location to sign and he probably prefers to stay seeing how he is treated.
TheReasonForTheSeason
Here you are again. Go away. Your rhetoric proves you aren’t knowledgeable in the game nor a true fan of baseball or the Padres. Beneath the Imperial Beach Pier awaits you.
TheReasonForTheSeason
Intended for “padresfanaticfan”
Grizalt
Tatis also might have signed an extension even if they had held him down for 15 days (see Posey, Buster).
Any way, you don’t know that he prefers to stay even with them not playing service time games. What if he doesn’t? What if the Padres try to lowball him in extension talks?
Grizalt
Lol I’m not a true fan of the Padres because I want to secure guaranteed control of one of his prime years? That’s cute.
SFGiants74
What if…I’ll trade you a crate of crabs for Tatis. You’ll still be insecure, but not hungry.
jd396
There’s a huge incentive for teams to do this kind of stuff. They need to rework the 0.000-6.000 pay system so badly for all kinds of reasons. There’s a dozen ways to alter the system that would be far better for both teams and players.
bleacherbum
Love it.
Honestly, after watching the first two games, the only real weakness I can envision is Andy Green relying awfully heavily on Stammen and Yates.
Yates had me sweating on the edge of my seat last night. If this run continues into May for the Friars, they may want to consider bolstering the 9th. Especially if Kimbrel is still without a job and if some teams already consider themselves out of it and want to dangle their closer.
Meow Meow
Maybe they can lobby ownership to sign Keuchel next…
Strike Four
Signing Kimbrel and Keuchel for 5 years each will make the Padres contenders SO quick.
Meow Meow
For real, I wonder if the team has a good April if it might spur a move.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I think the better move will be trading a catcher, some extra outfielders (that is when they figure out who they wish to keep), and some prospects for a pitcher or pitchers that are better than Keuchel. Obviously, he would help the team, but I think the Pads can negotiate for better.
Meow Meow
I’m not sure what pitchers I’d expect to be available within means, but if they can do that I feel like signing Keuchel would still be a good additional move. If Keuchel could be their 3/4 starter that feels like a strong, competitive rotation on a contending team.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I think the Pads could find a younger, better player that would cost less than Keuchel. My concern is the justification to payroll. I think they can get a 1/2 for same cost — well same annual cost. Of course they will have to fork over some potential to get that.
But I am sure that the upper management is looking into all scenarios.
Buhnersideburns
“teams have taken to holding presumably-ML-ready prospects in the upper minors for the first few weeks of the season, thereby gaining an extra year of team control. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is the most obvious current example”
Vladdy is injured…but I guess facts tend to get in the way of a good story sometimes
jbigz12
You might’ve been asleep but Atkins came out an said he didn’t believe he was major league ready defensively. That service time was being manipulated no matter what. But yeah whatever makes you feel better.
Buhnersideburns
He’s not ready defensively…. but the FACT he is injured, renders whatever Atkins previously said moot….. but you know, whatever makes you feel better.
lowtalker1
He will never be. He will just get larger and larger
Rocket32
Let’s be real here though, injury or no injury there’s no way Vladdy was starting the season on the MLB roster when Toronto’s ceiling this year is likely a 4th place finish.
Buhnersideburns
True he probably never had a shot at making the team out of spring training, the injury was well timed for the front office
todd76
It’s really sad the direction the Blue Jays are going. They are terrible and the future looks bleak. MLB needs to buy that franchise and the Marlins. Too many teams not enough talent right now you take out a couple bad franchises then you have higher talent throughout the leagues. There are lots of players right now in MLB that are just AAA level players.
jbigz12
The jays have 2 elite prospects on the way up and have a young catcher in Jansen currently at the ML level. They don’t have a lot of long term salary commitments and may have a couple building blocks or trade pieces in Sanchez or Stroman to move or extend. They’re far from in the worst shape in baseball. Their division is tough and that sucks. But to say they’re anywhere close to the worst in baseball is way off.
Strike Four
“In what’s become more-or-less boilerplate around the league,”
But absolutely should not be, as “putting your best team on the field at all times” somehow bowed to “make owners make even more profit (the same profits that are increasing exponentially every year) than they need, so they can hoard even more money and create an smaller 1% (are we at 0.01% yet? when do we get to the point where 1 person has all the money?)”
MLBPA needs to scrap attaching draft picks to free agents, it needs to stop this ridiculous “wait a month and get another year of control” BS and they need to stand up for players, who are the ones SOLELY bringing in all this profit to begin with – increase the min wage, increase minor league wages, make the profits leak down more to the players than the owners – and force the owners to somehow be more pro-player and less cheapskates who also control media narratives about how players who have spent their whole lives dedicated to their craft “dont deserve” the money they make. It’s flat-out disgusting seeing it all fold out from a bystanders perspective, and the 10 cent head-fan eats it up, because they somehow believe that being a baseball player isn’t as important as their job and therefore deserves no money. Dumb world we live in right now…
Grizalt
Service.Time.Manupulation.Is.Not.About.MONEY!
nmc420theambassador
oh yeah and i’m just here to remind cuck asssss burns that the team looks even better winning with tatis on the field from day 1, and doing it while wearing the BROWN!!
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Jbigz (and fanaticpadre who will be on here at some point) — Now you know the reason why Tatis was on the opening day roster. If you have a beef with anyone, it should be with the players you are supposed to be rooting for. My suggestion: quit obsessing on the negative and enjoy the season.
Grizalt
Look idiot. We know exactly why they did it. We’re saying they got it wrong. That guaranteed control of Tatis’ age 26 season >>>>>>>>>>> everything else.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Idiot? Are you just mad because my prediction rang true? Yes, I am a magic witch and I summoned you to this site. You have no free will anymore. You will see nothing but misery from here on out. When you apologize to the good people of PadreWorld, I will break the spell. Until then, enjoy your misery. Don’t let the misery become an addiction. I am sort of a beginner at this whole spell-casting thing and may not be able to break your spell.
Grizalt
Lol that’s cute. Padres’ FO still biffed it here. 6 years from now when Tatis is playing for someone else you’ll realize that. You won’t admit it, but you’ll realize it.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I did summon you to the site. I missed your misery.
If the Padres “lose” a year due to this decision and it brings forth goodwill for the team, it was worth it. And the players (who admittedly have their own bias) certainly think so as well. Once again — happy players = better players. If the Padres become WS winners or even perennial contenders, during this next 6 years, it was worth it.
And here is the thing that I think drives you the most nuts (and does the opposite for me) — no one will ever be able to prove what effect this decision has made for the team. It will always be a mystery.
Grizalt
Goodwill doesn’t win games.
Those players would have still been happy in 15 days once Tatis was up. By the end of the season it would have been all but forgotten.
petrie000
I mean, they have Manny Machados age 26 season to think about too if you’re going down that rabbit hole. Not giving him the best supporting cast possible after giving him 300 million dollars just because you’re more concerned with a bunch of hypotheticals 7 years down the road is a bit convoluted.
So I wouldn’t throw around words like ‘idiot’, given the larger picture
Grizalt
@petrie000 They will be giving him the best supporting cast possible. I wanted them to hold FTJ down for 15 days. Not half the season.
petrie000
15 days is at least 10 games for a team that has to leap frog 3 other teams who were better than it last season. And that’s just in their division.
If they make the playoffs, it will be by a razor thin margin. So waiting 15 days could make a huge difference
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Listen Padres fan. You want all decisions to be based on logic. That’s not always how the real world works. Logic is important, but so is emotion. We are taught that emotion is “weak” and “womanly” and whatever stereotype you want to throw at emotion. But emotion can be extremely important in moving forward as a team. Upper management, using an emotional appeal by the players, weighed the two (logic and emotion), and decided to take a risk.
You don’t like that decision. That’s fine. Most fans do. And certainly, the players do as well. Let is rest. The decision has been made. Try and enjoy the season instead of getting so worked up about it. When was the last time the Pads were 2-0? I know it is the Giants, but still. If you have a hammer, everything around you is going to look like a nail. And if you get stuck in negativity, that’s all you are going to see with the Padres this year. This should be exciting. I’m sorry if I was a jerkface earlier. I want happy Padres fans! Not miserable ones.
Grizalt
@petrie000 Just like how Tatis COULD not care if the Padres called him up early in negotiations for an extension.
Grizalt
@Tipsy I’m not throwing any stereotypes at emotion. I’m simply pointing out the abject stupidity of throwing Tatis’ age 26 season into the garbage. Your failure to see that is your problem bud. Not mine.
It would have been just as exciting getting to see Tatis in 15 days and a whole lot more exciting getting to see prime veteran Tatis shine with the Padres in 2025.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Tell that to the players who saw otherwise. Maybe they know something you don’t?
Grizalt
When has a player ever acted in his team’s best interest?
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
How am I supposed to respond to something so cynical? Okay, I will. Kent Hrbek and Kirby Puckett were both offered much larger contracts if they would leave Minnesota and play for a large market team (Hrbek was offered significantly more with Detroit). Both turned down their offers and decided to become lifelong Twins. They did that for the fans. The same is true with Gwynn and the Pads.
Let’s stick with the Twin again: Jack Morris in the ’91 World Series. He refused to be taken out the game in game 7 because he knew by being in there they would win that game. He did that because it was in his team’s interest. I can give literally thousands of different kinds of examples that completely disprove your not very well thought out statement.
One more example: Tony Gwynn spent his offseasons working on turning himself into a Gold Glove outfielder. He did that to make the team better. Players bulk up and become better players in order to make their team better. Players work on their hitting and fielding to make their team better. Players learn the nuances of an opposing team’s stadium so they can play better in the field and make their team better. Players steal bases and execute hit and runs and sacrifice bunts because it is “in [their] team’s best interest.”
What are you talking about?
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I gotta say padresfanaticfan — That might be the dumbest statement I’ve ever seen on this site. Can you walk it back or do a better of explaining what you mean? Tipsy does a pretty good job of shredding it, not that this was in any way difficult to do (no offense Tipsy).
Grizalt
Refusing to be taken out of the game because you want to win or working hard on your defense is just as beneficial towards the player as the team. Not good examples. And three examples from 25-30 years ago of players taking paycuts to stay where they are do not mean Tatis will do the same thing.
Grizalt
@trillaryhump16 I’ve seen way worse but players generally act in their best interest, not the team’s. If they do something that also happens to benefit the team it simply means that their interests coincide.
petrie000
I mean, he also could, but I don’t think that’s really a factor.
I will say that players tend to sign with the teams the trust will support them on the field. This move by the Padres does appear to show they truly value winning now and not hopefully later. That alone makes them a more attractive destination to most players.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Padresfan. I think you may be the ugliest person on this site. You have nothing but hatred for players. Why even be a fan? Why care? Take your cynicism elsewhere. You don’t deserve to be a Padres fan. Go kick down the Yankees door.
Grizalt
15 extra games of Tatis’ won’t make a difference in their record. Again, no one is saying they should keep him down until July.
Grizalt
@trillary I don’t have hatred for players. You do. You’re the one that wants to lose Tatis after 2024.
nmc420theambassador
nothing is guaranteed tho
Grizalt
… except control of Tatis’ 2025 season if they had sent him down for 15 measly days
petrie000
Which is not gauranteed to be more important to the Padres organization than right now.
You’re putting a tremendous amount of theoretical value in a complete unknown and arguing as if that value is fact.
Grizalt
TIL that 15 days of a player’s pre-prime is worth more than a full year of a player’s prime.
jbigz12
I’m going to stay out of the whether it’s right or not situation. But it isn’t theoretical value. It’s his age 26 season. You don’t know what his value will be then but that’s what you’re risking. That is a fact. If you want to argue that the 15 days right now is more beneficial to team chemistry, this years success etc. that’s your argument. But you can’t say that the padres are only giving up “theoretical value” in this. They’re giving something up. It’s either more dollars to Tatis in an extension or a year of control. That’s the trade off. It’s not made up or theoretical.
petrie000
You hope. Which, again, seems to be this weird mental hurdle for you.
The Padres have no idea what’s going to happen in 2025. They don’t even know if the next CBA will give them that extra year. If he’ll even be worth having.
They know what they have right now.
jbigz12
The CBA isn’t going to effect the control of players coming up this year. Cmon now. They’re going to start that with players who haven’t yet debuted if anything is changed. Imagine if you were Eloy Jimenez or another controllable player who just signed an extension and then the CBA rules were changed and grandfathered in. You would’ve just gotten the biggest shaft of all time. They won’t be doing that. You gave something up here. You’re the one who can’t admit that. I’m fine if you think the 15 days now are good for team chemistry/ you need the wins this year or you think he’ll sign an extension moving forward but you gave something up here.
Grizalt
1. The new CBA won’t effect players who already had their service times manipulated
2. If Tatis isn’t worth having, controlling him for 2025 doesn’t hurt the Padres. They can always just non-tender him.
Grizalt
@jbigz12 you are hilarious and smart. 83 points for you and none for petrie000.
Keep it up, lol!
Sheep8
Funny how players hold out for the most money they can, claiming it’s a business decision and to help those future free agents, but once management holds players back for a few weeks to get an extra year of the player, it’s no longer business but a crime against humanity. Not saying either is right or wrong, it’s just how both sides signed a collectively bargained agreement to operate under these set of rules
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I don’t follow, sheep. How are those two in any way related? One is a rather sneaky manipulation that can be incredibly unfair to a deserving young player, a player that has no say or agency in the matter. The other is a bargaining process that BOTH sides use to reach an agreement. Bad analogy.
Sheep8
The analogy is it’s a business for both sides. Hold out for as you want and don’t get signed, it’s collusion (Kimbrel, Kuechel), but suppress a player, when the players agreed to it, it’s unfair….it’s a billionaire business none of us will ever fully understand
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
But only one side gets a say in the former scenario. So it isn’t a business decision for the young player. When they have some agency, then that may ring true, but until then, it is a one-sided business decision.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Trading the first few weeks of a player’s career in exchange for a full season in their prime is beyond stupid*.
*unless you are certain you will be working out a long term extension in the very near future.
Grizalt
You never operate under the assumption that an extension will happen. Ever.
TheReasonForTheSeason
Thanks for censoring a comment that need not censorship.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
What did you say? Can you spell it out with a series of winks and hand gestures? Maybe some backward writing like this:
pihsrosnec kcuf
sticki
This is honestly amazing for the game, for the Padres, for the fans, and for MLB.
The atmosphere in that clubhouse has completely changed because of this move. Not only are they a much better team now, the leaders of the team also feel extremely respected by the ownership because they were willing to hear them out and take their opinions very seriously. The players will be taking this season even more seriously (not that they weren’t going to before though).
And for anyone out there who thinks the games in the first 2 weeks don’t matter, making the playoffs will always come down to a couple games. The Padres ownership and management have worked diligently at making this ball club into a playoff contending team and these are the games it will all come down to. Not putting your best team forward from the beginning could very well cost you your entire season.
This is very exciting for baseball fans. I hope they bring home the division title.
-Sticki
Grizalt
The atmosphere in the clubhouse would still be great if they waited 15 days to call up Tatis. Your failure to see that is your problem.
-padresfanaticfan
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
downvote X 20
Grizalt
Somehow I don’t think I’ll lose any sleep over that.
sticki
You would hope so but unfortunately that’s not the way it works.
Grizalt
Sure it is
-padresfanaticfan
ERLking
I’m honestly just glad (and a little amazed) that in the case of Paddack, Tatis, and Strahm, Margevicius, and unfortunately Urias, the Padres played it straight. They said spring was about competition, and proved it. People can complain all they want about losing a year if control, I just find it refreshing and encouraging that a MLB team’s ownership did the right thing for a change. Kudos to Fowler and company!
ERLking
*of
bjupton100
They can always wait for Urias to come back and Tatis to struggle, then just send him down for a month or so long enough to get the year and keep him from super two.
jbigz12
That’s just horrendous baseball. If you think that Tatis getting called up now improved the mood that would completely obliterate it. You definitely don’t send a guy down when he starts to struggle a little bit either. That’s horrible for his confidence. Let him work It out. He’s up now.
Central Valley
Congrats Padres fans. You guys look promising and are very fun to watch. My Giants, as currently constructed, are an absolute embarrassment. I’m sure our batters will give your starting pitcher later today great stats to start the year.
Also, Tatis Jr. looks like a future star in the league. You guys are loaded with talent. I tip my hat.
SFGiants74
It’s only 2 games into the season. Relax.
ERLking
Thank you, as a teen I was a fan of many of the Giants, especially McCovey! RIP Hope there comes a time when it’s must see TV and visit each others stadiums due to how great both teams are!
wtylerw
I think it’s great Tatis is with Manny from day 1.
I just wonder if this was a result of Preller knowing the cba is going to end this nonsense. The line should be closer to 1/2 the season.
spinach
“The move costs the Padres the possibility of a seventh season of team control down the line,”
This is complete nonsense. Promoting him as they did does not preclude them in any way from controlling him in his seventh year. It was just have to be through a new contract/contract extension, which isn’t some far-fetched concept…it’s what most teams do with their franchise players.
Grizalt
You don’t know that they will be able to extend him! People said the same crap that you are saying back in 2010 with Jason Heyward. How’d extending him go?
ERLking
I’m very sure it went extremely will considering Cub fans reacted to his lack of eliteness once the team overpaid for him! Baa hahaha!
Grizalt
You’re missing the point. People gave all the same excuses for the Braves having Heyward on their roster to start the 2010 system and throwing away control of his 2016 season and were so sure they would be able to extend him. They didn’t.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
A one-act play entitled — The Cynic
Padresfanatic: You know, when players go up to bat, all they think about is crushing their mother’s skull with a rock.
Real Fan: What? What are you talking about?
Padresfanatic: Players only think about death and destruction and hurting kittens.
Real Fan: You should get some help.
Padresfanatic: Prove me wrong.
Real Fan: Uhhhh….I really think you need help.
Padresfanatic: Prove me wrong idiot.
Real Fan: Okay. Plenty of players talk about how they still their mind when they go up to bat. For instance Ted Williams and Tony Gwynn talk about being in the zone and getting to a sort of Zen place where they are in the batter box.
Padresfanatic: That was 30 and 60 years ago. You’re such a dummy. Players today only think about crushing their mother’s skull with a rock.
THE END
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I think your Act 1 was a little harsh, but it did inspire me to write this.
Act 3 — Transformation
Real Fan: Tatis went 0-3 again. His batting average is down to .262. Maybe they should send him down. He’s been looking overmatched these past couple days.
Padres Fanatic: Hey Real Fan. It’s alright. Don’t get those vibrations all negative. What you put out in the world is what you receive. Be like me — Mister Positiverino. I love you Real Fan. Tatis will be okay.
Real Fan: Thank Padres Fanatic. I really appreciate it. The Padres were doing so well, but they hit this slump and I’m all down.
Padres Fanatic: I love you Real Fan. It’s going to be just wonderful. The team is young. Growing pains. Lessons learned. It’s like taking a rocky path to the top of a mountain. Sometimes that path goes down and takes you on some tough switchbacks. But it gets to the top eventually. Just stick with it.
Real Fan: I appreciate it Mr. Fanatic. That actually helps a lot. You know, my son was just born. I was wondering if you would like to be the godfather?
Padres Fanatic: I would love to. I can even give the baptism when it is time. I was a Friar in a former life.
THE END
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Wow! As a Reds fan, I could usually care less about Padres news. But if I hadn’t accidentally clicked on this story, I would have missed this wonderful play. Thanks guys/gals!!!! Very funny stuff.
Grizalt
So you do care about Padres news. At least a little.
Grizalt
Gonna take way more than a .262 batting average to be able to send Tatis down without getting hit with a grievance from the MLBPA
Grizalt
Cute
I’m gonna remember this and laugh my as off at your stupidity in 6 years when Tatis is playing elsewhere.
SFGiants74
For bleeps and giggles, where is Tatis going to be playing in 5 years.
Grizalt
In 5 years, San Diego.
In 6 years, who the eff knows?