TODAY: The deal is official, as per a simple tweet from the Phillies’ Twitter feed stating “We got him.”
THURSDAY, 7:23pm: Harper will receive a $10MM salary and a $20MM signing bonus for the upcoming season, tweets Heyman. He’ll then be paid $26MM annually from 2020-28 and $22MM annually from 2029-31.
1:51pm: The Phillies and star outfielder Bryce Harper have made quite the commitment to one another, according to reports. The sides have agreed in principle to a 13-year, $330MM deal that puts Harper in Philadelphia through his age-38 season.
Unlike virtually all recent mega-contracts, this one comes without caveats. Harper gets full no-trade rights and does not possess any opt-out opportunities. The contract won’t come with deferrals, though it is said to have a front-loaded structure.
The end to Harper’s drawn-out free agency seemed to come suddenly. It may be that the Phillies finally met his asking price after late-breaking interest from the Dodgers and Giants.
When the dust settled, Harper had landed the biggest contract in MLB history. He just tops the $325MM guarantee the Marlins gave Giancarlo Stanton over a 13-year term, though it’s important to note that deal came in an extension scenario.
In taking the largest overall contract, Harper did make a clear sacrifice on average annual value. He’ll earn just over $25MM per season annually, well under the $30MM average commanded recently by Manny Machado in his deal with the Padres and $33.4MM promised in the seven new seasons covered by Nolan Arenado’s extension with the Rockies.
That reduced annual value won’t likely mean much in the way of sacrificed earning power, as it covers only three late-career seasons. It does help the Phillies to reduce the annual competitive balance tax hit from the signing, which could assist the organization as it looks to maintain competitiveness over a long marriage with its new star.
Beyond the market impact, this move sets the stage for a fascinating season (and beyond) in the National League East. The Phillies, Nationals, and Mets have all made win-now moves in hopes of dethroning a Braves team that is still full of young talent.
Harper’s move up the interstate from D.C. brings an end to a productive tenure with the Nats, reversing the career arc of recently retired former teammate Jayson Werth on a much grander scale. Harper’s exciting debut campaign was punctuated by a memorable run-in with the Phillies and then-ace Cole Hamels, the club that the Nationals were then seeking to eclipse as the premier outfit in the division.
The Washington organization did make a run at keeping Harper, but wasn’t able to work things out. Some might say that he’d have been better off taking the ten-year, $300MM offer that was reportedly put on the table. Reports have made clear that a roughly a third of that money would have been deferred, greatly driving down its true value.
Rather than take a deferred contract, Harper searched for and found the type of fully guaranteed, non-deferred deal he sought with the Philadelphia organization. The move punctuates an offseason that lived up to expectations for the Phillies’ faithful. The club already added the game’s best catcher in J.T. Realmuto, acquired a strong shortstop in Jean Segura, and added veterans including Andrew McCutchen and David Robertson. It’s imaginable that there’s more still to come, though perhaps the initial focus will be on making a roster-clearing move to accommodate the newest addition.
Investing in Harper gives the Phillies the game’s most recognizable player. He’s also quite a good one, even if he hasn’t shown that he can consistently produce at the otherworldly levels he did in a magical 2015 season. Harper’s ups and downs have come with a very lofty mean, of course — he’s a .279/.388/.512 career hitter with 184 home runs in nearly four thousand career plate appearances — though the aggregate remains every so slightly disappointing given his nearly unmatched talent level. Defensive questions arose last year, as Harper graded quite poorly. That was cause for concern in some quarters, though there’s also reason to believe that he can turn things around.
We at MLBTR would be remiss not to acknowledge that the out-on-a-limb estimation we put forth on Harper early in the offseason — a 14-year pact worth $420MM — ultimately proved to be a dramatic overreach. At the time of our initial top 50 rankings, we were of the belief that because Harper and Machado were non-traditional free agents (i.e. legitimate superstars who’d not yet played their age-26 seasons), traditional contractual structures wouldn’t apply to them. With so much talk in the preceding offseason about the teams who bend over backward to dip below the luxury tax in advance of this offseason’s crop of free agents, our team fully anticipated a widespread level of interest that simply never came to fruition.
Rather, with only three to four serious bidders for most of the winter, Harper and Boras had to claw to reach a point at which we expected the bidding to begin. The end result — a significantly lengthier term with the intent of tamping down the average annual value/luxury tax hit — was, as noted at the time, a highly plausible outcome, though securing a record-setting guarantee required lowering the AAV further than our forecast.
Predictions aside, Harper’s deal sets a new high-water mark on which premier players of the future will set their sights when seeking open-market contracts or, at least, extensions on the cusp of free agency. One can imagine, to varying extents, the Harper guarantee at least serving as a talking point when Mike Trout and Mookie Betts, both controlled through the 2020 season, begin to take an earnest look at their next contracts. Of course, they’d reach free agency at three and two years older than Harper was this winter, respectively, so it’s far from a direct comparison. But, as the Stanton contract did in this instance, the Harper contract will now serve as a barometer that agents and superstar players alike will aim to topple — even if by only a narrow measure.
Jon Heyman of MLB Network (Twitter link) first reported the deal. Jeff Passan of ESPN.com (Twitter links) and Jim Bowden of The Athletic (Twitter link) had the key terms, with Barry Svrluga of the Washington Post (Twitter link) and MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez (via Twitter) adding details.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Release!! Ahhhhh!!!
Reeeeeeeeeee he can do some buy chicken tendies now! Reeeeeeeeeeee!
r/WSB. Classic.
Boot camp flash back
When you said reeeeeee
I was like reeee cover
Thanks Dodgers and Giants for joining in just to run up the bill – nowhere near serious – they did literally get the Phillies to bid against themselves.
You can thank Boras. His job is to drive up the bidding by feigning interest from other teams.
Actually, if you look at the contract, that’s far from the truth – by going to 13 years, you greatly reduce AAV, luxury tax implications, and taxes. When you account for inflation on top of it, the Phillies make out better than a 10/300 deal
. Harper isn’t gonna give in a full effort for most of the 13 years. Honestly about half of his production is from one year Phillies will be jumping to trade that contract after 5.
As for a 10 300 deal padres aren’t gonna have that contract past year 5 someone will get it.
Somebody should check the numbers in this article. 30 + 8*26 + 4*22 = $326 miillion. Just how much is this deal worth? Was it done just to eclipse the Stanton deal?
for sure the phillies will regret this sighning…trying to trade him after 4 or 5 seasons. I predict a lot of injuries to Harper….the Phillies must have a stupid owner
Manny was smart enough to get an opt out after 5 years. Harper is a complete moron for not getting at least 3 opt outs 3 extra years for basically the same deal as Machado with 10 mil a year the last 3 years. Machado gets 30 mil a year.
@Nathead It’s 9*26 + 3*22 (+30)
Obviously it was to eclipse the Stanton deal. I didn’t think there was any doubt about that.
He will give 100% effort. He’s an ego maniac and wants to be the best ever. His talent just isn’t at that level
you miss chance to be with giants harper. you think chance like being giant come offen? now wont be protect by all our grate hitters posey longo belt panda just to name FEW. good luck with phillies harper but your dreams wood only come true with giants but the door close now so to late sorry
The bad English and bitterness made your comment semi-entertaining, I’ll give you that.
No one is going to the public defecation capital of the world. The state is in the toilet as are the Giants.
love the engrish…
Now, now Mrs.Rodster go back into hiding. The cornfield is your domain your safe there.
YOU’RE
All your base are belong to us
He was never gonna go to San fran.
agreed. it was just Larry Baer’s way of telling the Giants faithful that they are “trying”. Larry is the happiest person in the world not named Mr. and Mrs. Harper…
Oh Harper my Harper 🙁
Wanted you on the Yankees
There’s still Mike Trout in 2 years from now 😉
New CBA by then, no one knows what will happen,.
@ sam. Spankees won’t get Trout either.
Thank God the Yanks passed on this stiff. Xabial only wanted him on the team because she likes his hair.
Yankees will take Betts. He’s a better player, they love them some redsox OF, and, I can’t see DD and company opening the checkbooks enough
Signed for $330 Million, exactly as I predicted in a post last week!
You and 400 other media outlets. Congrats!
All they were saying was greater than Machado’s 300. I didn’t see any 330 predictions, wiseaxx.
He is likely to average only 120 games per season over 13 years.
What a joke.
Overpaid.
How is he overpaid? Stop it
Jason Hayward is OVERPAID
He’s getting paid for his mvp year every year for 13 years maybe he gets back to that mvp production but I’d rather see it.
Not really. He’s only averaging $25mm/per when most thought he’d be looking for over $30mm. This is not near the deal he probably shoulda have signed. Phillies got a great deal for this guy.
@a dawg, im pretty sure he didnt sign a billion dollar contract
He’s over paid because he’s Jay Bruce with .30 better average
Good point.
Agreed that Jason Heyward is grossly overpaid.
25 mill AAV is easily absorbed by the Phillies. They are still close to 50 mill under luxury. He can DH later too when NL changes.
I would say everyone thought he was waiting to pass Stanton’s money. Did you predict the 13 years to do it?
Congrats to the ego maniac that is Bryce Harper. Dumb move by the Phillies.
Xabial is somewhere crying his eyes out.
Finally
Well done to Bryce for holding out for that extra 5-10 million. Now you will be able to buy whatever it is you were saving up for.
When he goes to Trader Joe’s, he can splurge on organic bananas for 25 cents each instead of regular bananas for 19 cents.
BREAKING: Harper finalizes contract with Trader Joe’s, garunteed 330M dollars worth of organic bananas over 13 years.
well there it is
So he went through all that drama to play 3 more years for $30M combined? I get the value of deferred money, but compared to the original deal Washington offered it sure seems light. Apparent that Boras and Harper only cared about setting the record. Glad it’s over…
It’s not that simple. He got no opt out clauses, guaranteed contract with a full no trade clause. Basically got everything he could possibly want.
An opt out clause is more valuable to the player.
“Woohoo!! I gots me no opt-outs!!”
How is no opt out good for the player.If he had an opt out after 3 years and had an MVP caliber year that year he could opt out for a 30 mill per contract if he had bad years he just wouldn’t opt out The only opt out Harper ever would have gotten is one for him not for the team. Thats just not the way it works
And strangely he didn’t want one
Deferred or not, pretty sure $300 million is $300 million. Just proves this was never a team guy. Good luck Philly.
Eh, don’t be salty. He wanted what he wanted, and got it. Show me a MLB free agent that’s all about the team?
Dodgers miss the boat again
Money today is worth significantly more than money 15 years from now. Major deferrals would have a pretty big impact on the actual value of the contract
Beware the Philly keyboard gangsters!!!!!
False, the value of the dollar is far different today,than it was in 2000 and certainly different than in 1950. The Nationals “300 million dollar contract “ was actually valued at a $274 million dollar contract because of the backloaded structure.
how does that make him a “non- team” guy? because he took the most money? get real.
Its called Net Present Value. To be more thorough, one would assign a dollar value to any missed opportunities from doing the deal.,,
Mitch Moreland and Steven Pierce!!
I thought the reported 180 over 4 years was a good offer
He didn’t get what he wanted. He wanted over $400 million – remember?
Laughing
I am not a Dodger fan but if he was offered $40 million a year for 4 years and turned that down then he didn’t bet on himself. He took what he could get and I don’t blame him for that. Good luck in 5 years Phillies.
Yes, the Dodgers did indeed offer him $45 million per year over 4 years.
Yes it is cheap.
However, I’d like to see how front loaded it is, it does give it more value.
It does look as if Bryce/Boras were only holding out for enough money to break Stanton’s record.
Would be funny if the Angels extended Trout for more money next week!
Trout will easily beat 330 mil and he’s earned it. Harper is overrated and I’m glad the Cubs didnt trade Heyward happ and Schwarber to clear money for him. I’d take heywaes 12 home runs and 75-80 rbi every day of the week over Harper who will probably want out after 6 years. The Phillies will as well but no one is taking any of that deal.
Boo Ya
Dang it seemed like the chances of him signing with the Phillies were getting lower and lower each day
Exactly what I thought, especially with LA and SF making so much noise since the Sunday meeting in Vegas.
Thank Zeus he didn’t sign that ridiculous contract with the Giants!
They scared me though…
Front loading makes sense but the years? Scary because Trout and Betts are head and shoulders above Harper. He and Boras aren’t complaining but to save face they took on three extra years compared to Machado with no opt out.
The aav is 25 … Not record breaking.
No doubt. Three extra years at a substantial discount….
Boras has a ton of clients left unsigned. Will be interesting to see what happens now that this soap opera is over. The market for Dallas has been eerily quiet.
Total value exceeded Stanton’s deal.
The years lowers at AAV. That could be huge at points in the contract
Im a dodger fan im so disgusted with this team they need to sell the team to somebody that wants to spend money and get some stars to come play in la.get to 2 world series and cant win and this years team worst than last year team dodger fans should be outraged
You’re kidding right? Dodgers re-upped with Kershaw and overpaid for his past so he’ll retire a Dodger. Their total payroll will still be near the top. I’d love to see the Sox spend more but I realize they like the Yankees have big future obligations to consider. I assume the Dodgers do as well.
I’m disgusted by Dodgers fans saying stuff like you just said. The 2019 looks much better than last year’s team. First, we have a much healthier Corey Seager. 3 players that weren’t on the opening day roster last year: Walker Buehler, Max Muncy and Justin Turner. Turner was injured over a month so that’s different, but he’s healthy now.
I’m looking to Bellinger to improve, Urias and Verdugo to contribute more as well.
This team is solid and spending $330 million on any one player is ridiculous. What if he suffers a serious injury?
Seager replaces Manny. Bad!
The dodgers payroll, right now, sits at 192 million. That’s 4th highest in the league. They have 2 world series appearances in the last 2 years. They are set up for years of winning and they’re staying below the luxury tax threshold for now to make sure they have flexibility and sustainability. Your statement, as I myself am a dodgers fan, sounds wildly ungrateful and unfortunately echoed by too many.
Try being a pirates fan
They still have Dave Roberts. Also bad.
Tarheel. That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read
it what a steal in 2004. Good!
Try being a Mets fan were in New York and used money ball tactics prior to this year
Madoff, SNY and stadium obligations created that small market environment. Hopefully for Mets’ fans, such is mostly behind you.
Jamesorange12 – for some reason I read your post in the tone of an English man like from the holy grail. Ha ha. Awesome
I never thought Philly had a chance. I’ll go eat my crow pie now.
Finally! I can draft my team
he’s gonna hit 50 outta that park
Hopefully he stays on the good side of Kapler and the fans. Philly fans are the hardest on all players as everyone knows and forget Papelbon, Kapler is one guy you don’t mess with.
Harper has great media personality. Drama between him and Philly fans will draw more eyes and ears to MLB. Big win today for baseball marketing.
2019 he’ll hit 25 and 2020 he’ll hit another 25 home runs.
Phillies will win the division 2 times in 13 years. And it wont be til 2021 that they’ll win the division..Arrieta will be gone. Cutch will be in his last year. Realmuto will be gone. Jean Segura will be gone.
I won’t believe it till I see multiple articles. Go Giants!
Rebuild, bro
Go Giants!
Harper would have hamstrung the team for a decade plus, be happy they didn’t sign him
Plus, who could root for him even he was if on their favorite team?
Soooooo happy he’s not a Giant!
I’ll happily endure another losing season or two if it means no Harper
That’s because you’re a loser, but go Giants, or whatever.
And you’re basing this on…?
Cuz u totally sound like a winner
“Or whatever”
…wow, u must be a genius
That’s the spirit! Be glad one of the game’s best players didn’t join your team. Woo Hoo!
Thank you Harper! It’s finally over.
I bet they ponies to get him to sign. I’m thinking 10 years 350 million
This has to be wrong. People have written on here repeatedly that Harper hates Philadelphia, his wife hates Philadelphia, and that if he hadn’t signed by now he’d never sign with them.
Money talks and BS walks.
according the west coast fans he abhors the East with all his being and would only stay there for double the salary and would have to be the manager as well.
Him and Kapler are a match made in heaven. Hope there’s cameras to catch the inevitable.
um most of that narrative was coming from chicago and philly fans
I don’t know about the rest of the west…..but i’m going to crack a beer, smoke a bowl, and enjoy the sunshine… Bryce who?
Nice work Philly!
We agree again
Although its not exactly sunny in the Bay right now…and I’m at work…but I’m with u in spirit
rather have Machado than Harper. Padres did well.
Hey swinging Friars – can get a hit off of that bowl man? I’m loving this drama.
absolutely, all are welcome
slow start but that stove got juicy hot towards the end!
All it took was a record breaking contract to prove it was where he wanted to be all along
It’s all relative to perspective. Yes, he got the biggest monetary TOTAL contract in MLB history. He didn’t get an Arenado AAV contract 32m/ per yr nor a Machado contract of 30m/ per yr. His contract is a little over 25 million per year. Thinking in the big picture, this could be a reasonable contract (considering we’re talking MLB/monopoly money).
But he was reported to have been offered 40 million a year for 4 years by the Dodgers. Go win some World Series and go back into free agency at age 30. Max out your money boy!!
He must’ve realized he wasn’t getting anymore money that he could in Philadelphia
Maybe his side chick likes it there…
Uh oh….now what else is there to check MLBTR for?
The comments of course! Since they’re often so insightful and full of healthy discourse. /s
Dallas will sign with the Phils..Boras is his agent..on good terms with Klentak and Middleton…No Kimbrel please
If that happens, we’ll have 2 players in Philly named Dallas. I’m torn.
Next, you can dig up Dallas Green
Nats sign Keuchel to troll Bryce and have Keuchel and Corbin (both lefties) to face Bryce for years to come.
Keuchel, Kimbrel and a cast of a hundred extras are still FAs.
Closer to 40 left.
And of those 40, only about 10 worth having around.
This nonsense about a slow free agent market is just that. As of a month ago 40+ of the top 50 on most lists had already signed. The rest were waiting on two guys to try to get best dollar. The media bashing owners, but this was not a bad off-season. It was not 1980’s and 90’s ‘sign everyone before Christmas’ type stuff, but things have changed.
Now, I heard the Phils are still in on Keuchel. If they sign him, maybe the Braves will be able to get Kimbrel for a smaller deal as he will have few suitors left.
Miracles do happen!
NOOOOOO
Only 3 months late
At least Doyers didn’t get him
You’re team is so sad your happiness is based off a superior franchise’s misfortunes, if that’s what you’d call this…get a life
Oh jesus, sally, get off your high horse.
You can go get a life too
Got one, and on my lunch break it involves reading MLBTR, quit screwing that up with your stupid, childish banter.
Guess I’m also in need of a life ya crusty ‘ol sea troll!
Superior Franchise? 2 World Series titles in 135 years. More losses than any other MLB team. Tell me more about how superior they are.
Swing and a miss. He was referring to the Dodgers and Padres if you follow along.
Following along isn’t as fun as just throwing out a blind rebuttal lol
Such a sandy vagina. Good grief.
The winter of our discontent is over?
Philly fan is going to love it when a ball drops three feet away from him. They are kind, compassionate fans I’ve heard.
We’re gonna love it even more when him & Trout are high fiving each other,in a few short years.
Nice rg
You’ll be happy to trade him to us after Trout signs his extension? I honestly don’t want him.
lol
Well this came out of nowhere. I wish we had the time to discuss where he could have went before this signing. It seems we just missed out.
It’s been tough to talk about Harper with all the Adam Jones rumors taking up so much room
Lol
I love sarcasm..
Fr this offseason just FLEW by
Wonder how much.
Phillies have a strong roster this year
Ok. But, where will Kimbrel sign?
Back in the ATL..
Great news. What’s next?
Well, time for Atlanta to trade Julio Teheran. Can’t have him giving up more dingers to Harper.
Teheran for Vladdy…..Sr
I would make that trade haha!
It was time to trade Teheran a while ago….
And now we can finally focus on opening day
It’s about time… I was hoping that Harper would have a blank jersey on the MLB the show cover though…
Finally. Sucks for Kimbrel.
The NY Post reported 20 minutes ago that the Dodgers were in the lead…
The NY Post has its hands full with bigger issues…..
mike156, the big question is how do they wash it off
Once again people, money is all that matters. City is basically a tiebreaker. Corbin didn’t end up in NY, Machado didn’t end up on the East Coast and Harper didn’t end up on the West Coast.
Yeah, Harper signed for an average of a little more than $25 million per yr for 13 yrs. That’s like signing a Buy 11 years get 2 free when compared to the Manny/ SD contract.
About time. I was so tired of this entire saga.
10yr 350M is my guess
Dang just missed it
330 it seems.
330 for 13 years
$160 million for his talent and another 170 million for ego fuel.
Was not aware Phillies were on him
But the narrative…he hates Philadelphia…
Don’t believe every rumors kids.
Maybe….but he LOVES their money. I’m not a fan but I’ll be watching when the Philly fans boo his butt when he goes into one of his extended slumps. It will happen and he will mouth off to them.
Nats fans dealt with his slumps…Philly fans will bring pitchforks. Good luck, Bryce.
Mazel Tov!
Just before signing on the dotted line, he’ll have 2nd thoughts
Giants win.
Did not let their owner make a dumb long term deal…
and do not have to face him as a Dodger short term.
Bingo
Agree. Would’ve been a nice addition for sure but that’s a lotta cash and a lotta years. Him going to LA would’ve hurt.
Be careful….a Padre fan said they were glad he didn’t go to the Dodgers and got railed against.
I guess you can’t be happy here if a guy doesn’t go to your rival.
congratulations to phillies and harper. also they will have to be satisfied because trout isn’t coming to you!
You may be right. That’s why the Phillies needed to get Harper. They still have plenty of money to try and land the big fish (no pun intended), but there’s no guarantee he leaves the Angels.
agree Von..I would think they will do everything possible to entice him to extend…should he reach FA, then the Phillies will be in play
Love your logo. I live 10 minutes from their stadium. One of the best sports experiences out there.
If the Angels end up continuing to be the dumpster of the AL West he won’t be resigning with the Angels
sorry, mate. but it is re-sign not resign.
Gotta produce now Bryce to justify this ridiculous contract standoff. If he fails, Philly fans will destroy him!
Really good point. God bless philly and their phans, but they’re out of control hahah. I can’t imagine trying to come out of a slump in that city. Good luck to both, baseball is back!!
12 YEARS 415
Hope they have him the three year opt-out. 3 years would be the dream in my mind.
Why would you want to lose him after 3 years when you have him signed for well below market value?
Worst mistake he could have ever made for two reasons. First he’s not going to win in Philadelphia because now they will not have the money to get the pitching they need. Second this offer has been on the table for over three weeks he was looking for a reason not to sign sale to the Philadelphia fans he is not signing because he desperately wanted to be a Philadelphia Phillies he signed it because it was the highest offer.
misfit
Why does that make one bit of difference? 99% of players take the money. I would and I expect that you would too, even if you wouldn’t admit it.
Phillies still aren’t going to win the world series. Haha spend that stupid money. Dodgers wait for trout hahaha.
Keep dreaming. Trout isn’t going to the Dodgers.
He won’t go to Philly neither
He lives in suburban Philly. His wife teaches school there. It’s the only place he ever wanted to play.
Will see angel aren’t going to let him go.
correct…if Trout does reach FA, then the Phillies will be in play..
Did we learn nothing from all this??
I love how you can act as if you know anything about who will win.
Neither are the dodgers
Jon Heyman with the report……
Where did the Phillies come from? Wow, did not see them as players at all.
Finalllyyyyyyyyyyyy…
/TheRock
Damn. Well at least he isn’t going to the Giants.
i’m only here to remind everyone MLBINSIDER needs to delete his twitter now. if you have a twitter account remind that buffoon for me plz k thnx
13 years? 25AAV? Interesting.
13 at 330 and no opt outs…no way that is right…
Yeah I feel like it’s could be bad for Phillies and Harper both, usually someone wins. 13yrs will be bad for Philly after 5-6 years but no opt outs?? Harper is stuck and can’t leave! Weird
Jesus crist 13 years ? !!!!!!! Lmaooooooo. That’s insane !!!!!!!!! Especially for a guy that while he is an elite talent e hasn’t been a consistent elite player in his career. Giant fans you should be happy he took this deal
Now what happens to Dallas and Kimbrel ? Do the Phills spend on one of them too ?
I’m sure It’s more about spreading out the term of the contract…. I don’t understand why they don’t have 20 year contracts? Account for a 5% interest rate. Kinda like winning the lottery take this 200m now or 300m over 20 years?
lol name one person who wouldn’t take the 200m now. there’s no guarantee you’ll live another 20 years to collect the 300m
Ohh I thought you were talking about Giancarlo Stanton there for a minute.
The saga, it’s finally come to an end!
What if Harper failed his physical? We could get a whole NEW saga!
FINALLY!!!
YES!! Trout will stay an Angel!!
They better start winning
Trout will not stay…remember i told you…
Dads<—a very happy camper
Dads, I’m thrilled with this…the no opt out on Harper’s part is big to me…makes a strong statement to Philadelphia that he wants to be here and all the gossip was wrong….what a lineup top to bottom…now one more starter…
works for me…
They didn’t go over 330 which makes me happy, but 13 years. Hope it works out!
13 years $330mil, no opt outs. Ridiculous….
It says they arw working on a opt out clause
Just saw that. Passan feom ESPN originally reported no opt outs. Just crazy…
Smarter than 330 over 10 years. Brings down the luxury tax hit. And if it’s front loaded, like it states, he shouldn’t be making much by the time he’s in his mid to late 30’s. Nelson Cruz is 38 and has averaged 40 homeruns over the last 5 seasons. I bet Bryce is at least a 40 win player over the course of this contract.
We’re going to find out how thick Bryce’s skin is. Philly is tougher than most on their players when they strike out with runners on base in the 9th.
So 10 at like 310 with opt out wouldn’t have got the job done?
13 years yeeesh.
So no one going to say anything about the 13 years? 0_0
As a Braves’ fan I love and hate this! I hate it for obvious reasons, he’s still in the NL East, but I love it because it will be fun watching Phillyphan booing him when he doesn’t run out a grounder or misplays a routine fly out.
2019: the year the Braves never watered the garden and watched it all go to waste.
Eh I’m okay with it, as long as we can keep Teheran off the mound against him lol
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i don’t get the hate. almost like you guys are going hoping it becomes a disaster
As many here said, the SFG and LAD meetings were just to get more from PHI.
he was going to get 330 regardless. had nothing to do with the other teams involved.
Fine by me. Zero chance he ends up being worth that.
Phillies will be looking to move this contract a third of the way through mark my words
Who will trade for him at 30 with 9 years still on his contract when you’ve probably already missed out on his best years.Trading him will be like Yankees trading Elsburyor Cubs trading Heyward an impossibility
or pujols, this really feels like a Pujols signing
This is almost nothing like the Pujols signing. There’s just no comparison to a 26 year old signing an enormous contract versus a player over 30. Even more, the length helps the AAV, the front loading helps the income statement on the tail end.
If they do want to move him in the second half of the deal, the contract is much more attractive with the lower AAV than a straight 10/330 that everyone was expecting
He has a no trade clause so I don’t get what you’re saying
Harper is gonna eat up Citzen’s Bank Park. Time to draft him on every fantasy team.
13 YEARS!!! LOLOLOLOL
It took 13 years and no opt outs for him to sign. I truly think he was trying to avoid the Phillies but they threw everything AND the kitchen sink at him lol
Opt outs are good for the player man
That’s exactly it. He wanted Cubs or Dodgers but Cubs weren’t in on him and Dodgers refused to go long term. The Phils negotiated against themselves in the end and Harper better enjoy those WC game appearances because they aren’t a WS team even with him.
no, boras caved on everything….
SUCKERS
Thank GOD its finally over!!!! Geez man.
If the Phillies ever want out of this contract good luck with that too
A waste of money. Yes lotsa homers, also lotsa headaches and no hustle. Lousy teammate just ask Papelbon.
While I loved watching Pap, I don’t think you want to base any decision on what comes from his mouth. #chokeslam
Lmao just ask Papelbon. Ya let’s ask one of the games biggest dbags for his opinion on a superstar signing
Pap was the one who was a horrible team mate
All due respect to Jon Heyman, he tweeted about 1 gazillion times, and didn’t break any details. Does he deserve to lose some cred here?
LOL, Von , did he have any to begin with? (*_^)
You ever think that maybe Ken Rosenthal just sells some breaking news to him every once in a while. Jon gets a career due to “some” credibility that he purchases. And Ken gets some extra cash for info he’ll announce for free anyways. Could any of us really say this isn’t true? Hehehehehe
Steve? You’re using Paps as a point of reference? Really?
So he wasn’t signing anywhere unless he beat Stanton, of course, an effin head case more than ever.
Phillies, gave him 13 years, no opt outs.
Phillies have a nice team. I wish them luck.
Now the Halos can beat it with a Trout extension.
And after Nightengale moved to saying it was a long shot and he’s wrong again as always. As a Mets fan I gotta say this really sucks.
Wow a contract through age 39! He’ll make 25mil a season for almost every year in his 30’s! A little surprised he didn’t opt for a shorter term higher AV but hey he should be very happy about this deal, no doubt.
please Sherman, hope you are right.
330 over 13 years??? All that waiting to sign for just over 25M per year is not exactly that impressive. Manny got 30 plus an opt out
They were so desperate to get a lower AAV that they gave him that many years
no, they gave the extra years to get Boras over Stanton’s 325 like he promised Bryce.
Thats exactly it. This deal is as impressive as it seems. No opt outs, only 25 mil aav. Phils made out here. Crazy good for them
Well, the question will be, I guess, whether Manny will be able to get $10m/year when he’s aged 37-39.
Don’t know how it’s structured. This contract could be front loaded to start at $35, working it’s way down by $1.6M per year to a final salary of $15.8M or something like that.
If it’s flat, yeah, I wouldn’t want to have a 36-38 year old Harper under contract at $25M / year, and I’m also not too impressed with the current AAV either.
Or maybe it’s 10/300 with the final 3 years being 10M? Who knows yet?
From a finance standpoint paying Bryce Harper more in his age 36-38 years means you’re paying him less money. $25 million in 2019 and $25 million in 2029 is worth less than $35 million in 2019 and $15 million in 2029.
Did they include the Liberty Bell, too?
I would say, the 13 years is just purely to bring down the AAV of the contract, for tax purposes. It’s all about the guaranteed money here.
dont think he really won here. he passes the total value bar, but you’d have to think he wanted more AVV than Machado, which he failed to get.
I guess it depends what floats his ego more. The 3 extra years are really just token years – it’s unlikely he will be a productive player at that stage.
It’s more beneficial for the Phillies to pay him X over 13, than X over 10, as it brings down the AAV for the tax line, and he can simply be released at the back end.
13 years? Lol Philly goof’d hard.
Congratulations Bryce Harper and Scott Boras
congratulations Phillies, this seems like a loss for Boras, although it may be what Harper wanted.
Dear cashman. As this off season has gone on you have looked smarter and smarter by the day
Yours truly yankeepatriot
Thank you Yankeepatriot .I couldn’t agree with you more
Solid offseason by the bombers for sure
Thank God the Dodgers didn’t bite!
Giants and dodger fans should be happy lol
Stupid Money!
On the one hand, I’m glad my team isn’t paying for that contract.
On the other hand, Harper is still in my division, and will continue to smack our pitching around through the rest of his prime.
So basically it’s an average day for me. A little bit of good, quite a bit more bad.
front loaded, no opt outs, 13 years, and 25 a year average? hard to believe really. ill believe it when its official.
our long city nightmare is finally over!
and it was the JD martinez negotiation all over again….all sorts of subterfuge from Boras and company but no substance behind it.
Agree, I don’t understand why so many people couldn’t see through the BS when this happened last year. All of the “he doesn’t want to come to Philly” people please remember this the next few offseasons.
PP, they won’t..it spoils the narrative
It’s easy for me to believe a player might not want to go to Philly. I’ve been there twice and wouldn’t want to go back for even a quick visit. What a dirty, unpleasant city. And the fans…I’ve never been to a place where the fans booed their own players so frequently and so intensely. What’s to like about that?
You’ve never been to Philly. Troll post.
If believing that makes you feel better, go with it.
When I still had my season tickets, Pit & Phi fans were the most fun. Had outfield seats, there were always new people in the row behind us. They talked their chit but always had smiles on their faces. Way more fun than the average out-of=towner
Best of luck to Harper and Phillies! I wish it works out for both sides.
He’s going to be so much fun to watch in that park. As a Mets fan I’m sad but as a baseball fan I’m excited!
I hope so, unless he is playing against my team.
That IS stupid money. Oy vey!
More like stupid negotiating. What a horrible contract and the rest of the details aren’t even out yet. No opt outs ? !!!
Seriously? Lesser AAV. Gives them the flexibility to possibly resign Realmuto, extend Hoskins and to go after free agents in the coming years with more sustained success
Stupid negotiating? Hardly
Stupid money spend wisely
Anyone in SD wanna trade?
Well thank god. Good to see that he was able to top the $325 mil barrier, as I’m sure that just would have CRUSHED his and Boras’ massive egos if they didn’t set the record…even though he had to add 3 years to do it. Good for you guys, we’re all real impressed.
If he accepted 13 years at $330 then there’s no way anyone else offered him anywhere near 10 yrs at $300. Boras was bluffing about multiple $300m offers the whole time.
phillies outbid themselves.
This
Just was notified that the deal is 13 years…that’s hard to believe with the $330m number
Hahahhahah. 13 years ?
If I’m a Phillies fan I guess I’m excited, but this is a frightening contract. This kind of thing for a team like that always ends up with the player getting hit by a bus his first year
im sure there is insurance in that sense, and it may not count towards the cap. Not an expert, but that makes sense in my mind. either way, $25 million a year is is much less then the potential $30-$35 million or more.
Jacoby Elsbury was 7 years 153 mill about 21 mill a year how did that work out and that contract surely didn’t last till Elsbury was 39. It’s usually the length of the contract more then the yearly pay that makes a longer contract untenable.When Harper reaches 33-34 Philly fans will start crying
Wow, only 25 per year
Seems like Philly blinked.
Ok so THIS guy only knocked in 100 RBI’s AND only hit <35 HR’s ONCE … he may be marketable BUT the pay for that production is RIDICULOUS !!!
He also had 150K’s I guess nowadays players also get paid for K’s or at least it seems
Throw enough stupid money and anything can happen. Hope he works out for you Phillies fans, he’s yours till he turns 39.
That’s a lonnnnggg contract to have no opt outs for, especially when it’s for a team you’ve expressed a desire not to play for.
When did Harper say he did not want to play for Phillies?
“For what it’s worth, my source who is close to Bryce Harper tells me #Dodgers and #Cubs were 1st choices all along and he prefers not to sign with #Phillies. I’ve been hearing all winter that Harper does not want to play for Gabe Kapler due to analytics and quirky personality”
Is that definitive proof straight from his mouth:? No, but it’s been widely reported by many sources.
His contract is for 13 years. He’ll be with the Phillies long after Kapler is fired.
He never has said he doesn’t want to play for the Philies…It’s hilarious the things sheep say over and over again… Baaah….Baaah
This will make the Howard deal look like pure genius in a few years. (And at least Ryan was a good guy who WANTED to be in Philly.)
Almost 6 decades of consistent fan loyalty shot to hell with this embarrassment. So long Phils; enjoy your shiny new toy.
Howard tore his Achilles and was never the same again
Who ever said Harper doesn’t want to be in Philly and how do you know he’s a “bad guy”? Stop it
So now we can fire up the Trout to Philly rumors!
Sure for 15years and $400M. The way the Phils are throwing money with Jake and now Harper who knows.
LOL this is like buying $330 million dollars in cigarettes! Enjoy your cancer Philadelphia!
This makes the Nats the winner in all of this.
and full no-trade…which doesn’t hurt at all if Harper really does prefer the West.
Harper isnt even good below average defensive metrics and only 2 seasons where het over 300 and only 2 seasons he hit pver 30 homers the guy is over hyped
I think Harper will be the Carmelo Anthony of MLB. The Phillies are still not a WS contender with his pick up. These albatross contracts are getting insane. I love KB but now he will want more than Harper after 2021. Teams are going to start realizing they need to trade these guys when they can sell high so they don’t end up like the Nats with nothing to show for it. They were out of it early and still held on to him.
Ooh, that’s a great comp.
Have fun with that contract Philly.
Looks pretty clear his only goal was to beat the Stanton number and the Phillies were the only serious suitor. 13 years…woof. This guy is going to pack it in halfway through that albatross. The mutual hate will be palpable in years 11, 12 & 13. LOL.
Safe to say the Phillies will be dealing some OFs as Altherr, Quinn, Cozens and Williams are now all on the outside looking in. Maybe they package two of them to go get a solid veteran pitcher.
Full no trade clause…No opt out for Harper…says he didn’t want one..hows that for those that said he didn’t want to play there..
Williams out of the lineup today even though they have a split squad and two outfielders are hurt.
Coast, he is the outfield lefty…now, not needed…also, Aaron Altherr is a solid glove
Nice observation. I wonder if they already have something lined up.
Cousins, Quinn, Goofy, Williams, Altherr, McCutchen, and Harper
could be 3 of those guys are going to unhappy..maybe more
Yeah all you’ll have to do is find a team willing to trade a solid veteran pitcher for two mediocre outfielders That should be easy enough
It’s a good thing they atleast frontloaded this deal.
Philly just screwed up big time. Should’ve offered Trout 400 million when he’s a FA. He’s likely to actually be worth big money. Harper will decline once he’s 30.
They will offer Trout $400 million.
No one should ASSume that Trout will reach FA..But, if he does, the Phillies have the loose change to get him
That is the great part of this deal, with only a 25.4 M average against the luxury tax, they can still afford to sign Trout. It won’t happen, but it doesn’t take them out.
So 25.4 mill doesn’t take Philly out of Trout deal but 30 mill would’ve. That’s laughable
Happy for the phils but even more happier for the angels… they get a chance at extending Trout now that the phils pushed to sign Harper.
I think he was close to being a dodger and the Phillies bent over. Either that or they fell for boras’s tricks
Really? How do you explain he didn’t want an opt out?
Prediction of the Dodgers going “all in” on Trout when he’s a free agent.
former, the Dodgers and everyone else should go all in..
Wow we have just witnessed one of the biggest regrets in baseball history. I’m so glad he did not sign with the Dodgers or Giants.
If it is true that Harper turned down an opt-out himself because he didn’t want one, he just gained a little respect right there.
Boom
Another day, another chance to be wrong
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finaly
Okay Giants, It’s time to sign Adam Jones on a 4mil 1 year contract with another 6mil available in incentives.
Savings…. 324 million.
And the winner is…….Boras. Man I’m sick of saying that.
Don’t even care anymore.
I think this is a big loss for Boras, or at minimum a compromise.
What an idiot. Boras and Harper didn’t read the market correctly and this is what they get. A terrible deal. Waste his career away in Philly. Hope he sucks
Wait, what? Seems like Harper came out on the win of this one. If the reports are true he didn’t want opt outs.
Why would Boras give a damn about how happy he is in Philly, or if he’s wasting his career there? Boras is getting his inflated payday. And Harper will be raking in the money regardless of how he performs. They clearly won this negotiation
Dude hits .249 now. What’s he going to hit during ages 33 through 39. Lol. So shortsighted by Philadelphia management. Idiots.
Obviously at some point it’s going to hurt to some degree, but it won’t be nearly as bad a most people are making it out to be. First, they kept the AAV relatively low with the 13 year deal. Second, I fully expect the players union to negotiate a much more relaxed luxury tax at the next CBA.
It also came with 34 home runs and 100 runs batted in playing in a less hitter friendly environment.
Idiots you say?
Hmmm. Low AAV which gives them flexibility to resign Realmuto, extend Hoskins and go after future free agents
If that’s idiotic to you, I suggest you seek help
idiots
“Stupid” money
What the hell? I was thinking he’d get something like 350/10. 330/13 is a pretty bad underpay. This is basically the same deal Giancarlo got extended on but without opt outs. In the open market.
My guess is some of this is loaded for the first 10 years with a friendly back end. Have seen nothing to back that up but the AAV
oh just saw the update! It’s front loaded a bit.
How in the heck did he agree to this. Phils just made out like none other. Only 25 million AAV? NO opt outs? Worst of the worst case scenario for the Nats. Lose Harper to rival and on a deal without an outrageous AAV. Crazy how no other team could be that.
No opt outs and full no trade protection over 13 years? Wow. I mean I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how it works out. If the last few years aren’t too expensive then it could be a really good deal for the Phil’s.
Also, it is frontloaded, unlike most mega deals, although there are others that are.
So MLBTR wasn’t so far off their prediction on Harper after all. Never would have thought the deal would be that long
Yeah, but further than I was in that comment I posted on here recently, because I got the team right and I was only off by 3 years and $5 million.
I wish all teams would spend stupid money.
they all spend stupid money now. none of these players are worth what any of them are being paid!
Hope it all works out fine. Otherwise, Harper’s new nick name will be “the Albatross”.
I’m glad the kid got his money, but it’s not a smart deal from Philly, given a full no trade for BH, and no opt outs. Sometimes the team should want an opt out as much as the player. They better start giving him playing time at 1st base right now…or go ahead and name him their DH right now, when MLB goes all in on that … because the longer he stays in the OF, the more risk of serious injury. 13 yrs is NOT SMART…that’s insane. But Harper deserves a tip of the cap for holding out. It only HELPS guys like Trout, Rendon, and whoever else, etc, next off-season.
The team should never want an opt-out. Opt-outs are terrible for teams. Player will only ever use the opt-out if the team doesn’t want him to.
When your talking about 10 year deals I beg to differ on a team never wanting an Opt out.
No because the player will opt out if and only if the team doesn’t want him to. Cases like A.J. Burnett where the player leaves some money on the table in order to go to a different organization are few and far between.
If the Phillies wish to shed Harper’s contract after 6 or 7 years, they can do so by trading him. They don’t need the opt out to do that. If Harper is not producing at a level where another team would be interested in trading for him and his contract, then he was never going to opt out in the first place.
How do you trade a guy making 22-26 million dollars who isn’t producing.Only way is by doing what Seattle did and give up a great closer with him.And Cano is actually producing some
Again, if he is not producing at a level where you would be able to trade him, he’s not going to opt out in the first place.
It’s over…it’s finally over
Structure will be 10/300+3/30, lets Boras say he got Manchado’s deal plus 30 mil for seasons over 35. Also lets the Phils save on the taxes
I still find it interesting that no AL teams were in on this, looks like a DH in 2nd half of the contract and the NL isn’t a done deal for it coming in yet. Maybe they know something….
13 years!!!!???
And people were calling him greedy lol. Just over $25 million AAV and has job security until he’s 38.
Philly is gonna kick themselves. Bet he never touches 4 WAR. Prolly only gets 3 twice. Dude maybe only 26 but hes already past his prime.
good for harper and great for the phillies. 25 million for a superstar franchise player with a short fence. my next predictions dallas and kimbrel to the phillies and the braves will finish 4th in the division
This is the pure definition of a baseball franchise bending over. They knew he wanted nothing to do with that toilet bowl of a city so they made him a mob offer. No deferred money, no opt out causes and for no trade he basically had his way with them. But, five years from now when they realize what they have done we will be on here talking about the latest report that the Phillies are now shopping Bryce harper. Here is where it gets hysterical this is the definition of a on movable contract unless the Phillies are willing to pay most of it. If they don’t trade him when he’s 35 and has four more seasons and can’t play the outfield anymore what does Philadelphia do? They are screwed.
you clearly didnt think this out.
they already talking about DH in the NL!! this will setup perfect for him!! 25million AAV is dirt cheap for harper and doesnt handcuff the phillies
Harper was drafted as a catcher. I’m sure he can pick up 1B.
@ misfit…..double up on those meds kid…
DH is coming to the NL next year. Pay attention man.
can someone get me some luxury threshold estimate for the year 2030?
Sure. Less restrictive than it is now.
13 years lol poor Phillies
I dont consider this a record deal, 5 lm less then Machado. 30m for 3 more years… lol record deal….
Record deal in total dollars, not AAV.
Don’t be surprised if this isn’t accurate.
and don’t be surprised if he winds up in NY or LA during the deal either……
A good deal for all involved. Every team can afford this kind of contract, but the Phillies could really use the value of a few wins that Harper should provide. Harper, even in a down year, was fifth in total bases in baseball last season (ahead of both the MVPs, btw). He’s young, of course – a few months younger than Machado – and has a skill set (power and walks) that tends to age fairly well. If the NL does, indeed, implement the DH in 2020 his value only increases., He also creates a baseline for a Trout contract, which I think will be something like 10/400.
Actually, players whose worth is based upon Harper’s skill set tend to not age well at all… his #1 comparable for age/stats is Andruw Jones.
Andruw Jones never came close to 130 walks in a season. He didn’t strike out a ton, but his skill set was quite different than Harper’s. Jones was an athletic guy whose highest OBP was 366 in a single season. (Harper’s highest was 460, and he’s only had one full season lower than 366).
Athletic/ speed guys who don’t walk a ton tend to age poorly. Exhibit number one might be Jones, although Carl Crawford is a more extreme example. Guys who walk a lot and hit lots of homers and hit for lots of power tend to age much better.
There is also the unfortunate suspicion that Jones was a PED user – I don’t believe that, but maybe it’s true. Harper is probably not doing anything like that. And Harper, in2018, a season in which he batted 249, posted a higher OBP than Jones ever did, and also scored and drove in over 100 runs. And he was only 26.
LOL So much for him not liking Philly!
from Ken Rosenthal:
Though one source says Harper did not want opt-out, others around game say #Phillies likely refused him one if they were going to award him record guarantee. Relatively low AAV will help Phils with future luxury-tax thresholds. No deferrals, as others have reported.
My thoughts BEFORE the signing. I’m holding out hope my Cards can somehow surprisingly sign him.
My thought immediately following the signing— I’m glad the Cardinals didn’t break the bank on this inconsistent player.
Congrats Phillies fans!!!
If you looked into the stats, Harper is consistently a good player and sometimes elite.
So in your mind a 249 ave 34 hrs and a-3.2 dWAR and a 1.3 WAR is a good player That was last year .How about 2014 when he played 100 games 13 hrs 32 rbis a 273 ba a -0.5 dWAR and a 1.1 WAR or 2016 243 ba 24 hrs -0.9 dWAR 1.5 WAR. How consistently exactly is he a good player
Alright. Now my fantasy league can draft. Congrats Bryce, you are a very rich man.
The Reverse Werth!
Harper may not have signed for Machado Money but remember he will be avoiding California’s insane tax rates. I’m sure he’ll be taking home more cash than Padre Manny.
Nope Machado still makes more –
After just state taxes:
Machado $26,100,000
Harper $24,250,000
And that assumes they pay entire salary at home state rate – which they don’t – Every players gets taxed by each state they play in -so returns are long and complicated. So Machado gets a little relief on his visits to Arizona and Colorado and Harper gets hit in DC and New York
I am surprised by lack of opt outs.
Giants come in and blow the offer out of the water and he flips to SF.
Everyone who was sure the Dodgers were seriously interested in Harper will now step forward and admit they were wrong.
Or, not. More like not.
Are you high? They offered $40 million a year. If that is not serious I don’t know what it is. Here is the problem you failed to recognize the Dodgers are exactly like the Yankees they value players through analytics at a certain number over a certain number of years and they do not budge from that number. That is why the Yankees did not get Machado did not even make an offer for Machado or why they did not even make it offer for Corbin and this is why the Dodgers did not get Harper. Not serious? Get drug tested
Oh, nice. We don’t know what the Dodgers offered exactly but everybody and their grandmother knew that Harper was looking for at least ten years and the Dodgers were not going there. So that’s a working definition of not serious. But I guess I should thank you for proving my point. Nobody who was completely wrong about this is ever going to admit it. The only response they can muster is to insult the people who had it figured right.
Hi BlueSky…….There is this (often debunked) guy on Twitter. I wonder if he honors his word and deletes his account. Read some of his guarantees…it’s where so much of the LA hype came from.
mobile.twitter.com/MLBINSIDER_
Somebody else who we don’t need to follow on Twitter!
Rays were in it until the end……
“In taking the largest overall contract, Harper did make a clear sacrifice on average annual value. He’ll earn just over $25MM per season annually””
What a martyr
That’s kind.
Padres are dumb not getting him he went for less than 30 a year..
Boras made the Phillies bid against themselves.
Huh? So all the people from the Dodgers and Giants who met with Harper were just hanging out with him in Vegas to get his opinions on the best casino buffets?
Exactly, so you was there with us?
And what better place to hang out when you have millions to throw around!
Friedman tried to use is Jedi powers on Harper. “The Phillies are are not the team you want to sign with…” A master, he is not.
Turns out money speaks louder than mind control. Who knew?
I like this signing for the Phills. I think it puts them atop the N.L. East slightly ahead of both the Braves and Nationals.
I wish, but the Nats have the better rotation..the Phils have an outstanding pen though
at this rate phils are a standout and the nats/mets will battle for wild card. braves will all be hurt by the allstar break.
lol Braves fans are such drama queens. Quit being so dramatic, you’re embarrassing the rest of us.
Naw
the Nats pitching keeps them on top
They are definitely improved, but if they had starters that they can consistently rely on other than Nola, that would be great.
Can we re-sign Cole to throw balls at him during BP? No matter how many added wins, regular or post season, this is absolutely repugnant. Hope the deal at least included an ample supply of Vasoline for Middleton while he was signing.
13 years….wow i’m glad the yankees were never in on this mess. lolz.
Vomit.
harper signs with philly for less AAV, bc he was promised they will bet the farm on getting trout 2020. that would be a sick lineup
If hicks continues to out produce Harper in war like he did last season he looks like a even bigger steal
You’re comparing a CF and a RF. Big brain bud.
Harper played 63 games as a centerfielder last year so not completely ridiculous and he was terrible at center and terrible at right
Hicks career WAR 10.6
Harper 27.4
Who were they bidding against? Seems like the Phillies had all the leverage and caved on everything. Boras doesn’t get his due credit for magic like that.
be funny as all get out if the Nats win the WS this year.
true, if they win a playoff series finally, they can say bryce was the problem.
Nats eliminate Philadelphia in the NLDS lol
This is an insanely long commitment — one that will feature multiple seasons with injuries later in his career. I bet his best games will be in DC, where they will boo the living s out of him. I thought he was SF bound. Guess not.
just spreading the years out. he could be making as little as 10 million those last 3 years depending on structure, so they could just cut him. by 2030 10 million could be backup catcher money.
Actually I am betting his first AB he will get a standing O…
Boos will come later
I’m just glad Phillies are out of the mike trout business.
no they aren’t
plenty of room for Trout if he makes it to free agency.
I bet the nats make it passed the first round without him. Soto is the truth
Plus they don’t have choke artist Storen anymore.
I loved how analysts blamed not having Strasberg on the roster as the reason the nats didn’t win that series and yet it was storen who in game 5 in 2012 that blew a 3 run lead with one out and nobody on in game 5 lmao
On a side note…When Harper collects his last paycheck from this contract, Bobby Bonilla with still have 4 years to go from the Mets.
That’s nothing compared to the stupidity of Atlanta, still paying Bruce Sutter since 1989.
“Sutter was only paid about $750,000 per year while under the Braves’ control,” Lewis wrote. “For the thirty years after he retired — 30!!! — the Braves agreed to pay him no less than $1.12 million per year, and potentially more if interest rates spiked above a negotiated floor of 12.3 percent. [They haven’t.] That ends in 2021, and it’s only 2018, so Bruce Sutter, at some point this year, received or will receive a check for $1.12 million.”
Welp as a Mets fan that sucks for us. The nl east is a monster division and some team will win 86 games and finish in 4th place. I’m sure people on social media will claim it’s an overpayment but it really isn’t at 25 mil per year. Goes without saying Harper will be a huge upgrade over Nick Williams.
If anyone claims this is an overpayment they are not paying attention. Lots of hyperbole coming for this deal but it isnt what it seems. 25 million is light and in 10 years 25 mil will be a drop in the bucket. If im a phan im over the moon. Unfortunately they are my least favorite team.
Face it, Boras used the Giants to squeeze Philly
This is music to my hears. I wanted Harper to play for the Phillies. Good job. It’s a reasonable contract because it is for 13 years. Nice, I have always like the Phillies.
Harper’s production at age 25 does not compare with Mike Trout, A-Rod, Pujols, Cabrerra, Vladimir Guerrero or Griffey Jr. Even Orlando Cepeda accomplished more by age 25. Harper has not yet shown that he is a super star. The Phillies are taking a big risk with their fans’ money. .
well, its mostly Comcast money, but should we be outraged that they spent it on talent instead of it sitting in the bank doing nothing?
Their fan’s money? How is it their fans’ money?
I agree with most of what you said but I’m not sure about that last sentence.
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! Worst signing in history.
You can never judge a contract at the time of the signing.
Might not be all that bad a deal if the NL ends up with the DH toward the end of the contract.
I’m also wondering if santon will use his opt out. If he does than the yanks will be a even bigger player for trout if he hits the market
Stanton will not opt out.
Stanton isn’t opting out
Conan O’Brien makes $12 million a year
and Jimmy Kimmel makes $10 million a year
and neither of those guys can hit at all.
Harper would be a horrible tv host.
Yea but Harper can do his own hair care and beard grooming commercials .
He has a face for radio
Trade ya Machado for Harper. You wanna?
Cat…Funny
Lot of dough for a .280 26 homer 75 RBI average player with rising strikeouts and declining defense. Also settling for far less than Machado and Arrenado on a year basis. The ole Scott Boras “ magic” has disappeared thou $330,000,000 is nothing to sneeze about still about $15,000,000 a year shy of what they said last winter as the minimum they would take.
Phillies clearly looking to win the NL East division right now. They want it the most out of any team in that division. Whether they win it is another story.
They are also banking on the NL adopting the DH. Giving Harper 13 years is evidence of that. Way too many years.
But….they’re prepared to win now. Why not. They’ll be prepared to win a few years from now too.
He got the years but not the average salary people predicted. People were saying $30-40MM a year for 10+. People are wrong sometimes. That said, 330/13 isnt anything to scoff at.
I knew the Giants were all smoke though. They really arent in a position where Harper makes sense. Theyre currently having down years all while being bogged down by expensive contracts. Not a good combination. They need to tear it all down if anything and getting Harper would just slow their rebuild. Phillies seemed like the only real bidder for a while now. They were the only ones willing to pay big money, commit to the years, reaching/at their window for success, and had an open spot in the OF. The Dodgers check off all the boxes but they werent willing to commit the years. The Yankees check all the boxes except their OF is already very crowded. White Sox didnt want to cough up the money. I mean, im not even sure if the CWS wanted Harper as much as they wanted Machado. Padres were a bidder until they got Machado. I think that left the Phillies and Nats, and the Phillies were more willing to shed more money than the Nats, especially after all the signings the Nats did.
Definately no smoke by Giants. Just reported here on radio that Giants offered 12 years $310M butthey wouldnt match the phils offer. They would have had to be at $340 – 350M because of taxes.
If thats true I really disagree with the Giants philosophy. I think that wouldve done more harm than good for a team that doesnt seem close to competing for a while. Too many large contracts paired weak farm for how many years now? Just doesnt seem like the Giants are primed to win with or without Harper. Although I guess the argument to be had is that a lot can change in 12 years
Stupid money,indeed…and somewhere in Arizona and Florida, Mike Trout and Mookie Betts are grinning from ear to ear.
And both of their agents are saying daily prayers that their clients do not get injured this coming season.
Philly will make back the money they spent in 3-5 years. This will make more Philly players better esp HOSKINS and other bombers on the team. Go back to the 75-76 CINNCINATTI REDS who did u want to pitch too ROSE,MORGAN,BENCH,PEREZ,FOSTER. PICK YOUR POISON
You’re a very educated baseball fan. I’m guessing an all around great person too.
You compare the Big Red Machine to Harper Realmuto Segura Hoskins Harper. You are a very sick individual
Keuchel, Kimbrel Stupid Money Complete
And the big winner is Boras. He may not have won as big as he had originally planned, but he won a lot bigger than many commenters on MLBTradeRumors were recently predicting. He is adjusting to the present as much as anyone. I think he did pretty well for his client. And boy did he craft up some last minute magic to get the result he wanted.
I see Boras as a big loser in this. The offer before the offseason was reported as 10/ $300. By riding out all winter and into the spring he got 3 extra years for $30M more. The final contract didnt move much towards what Boras thought he might get.
3 extra years for 30 million towards the end of a playing career isn’t too bad. And it is a record contract. Is it as much as Boras was hoping for? No. It is still impressive he pulled off this last minute bidding war to that final bump in money.
I’d bet the Nationals have more wins without Harper this year than they did last year (80).
I would agree but I think that says less about Harper and more about having an even better rotation and a more consistent bullpen and the gift of playing the AL Central in interleague games this year.
that’s an easy prediction..The Nats underachieved..really good rotation…pitching wins…after pitching, there is pitching and then pitching
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Trout will easily break 400 million at this rate
WEW!
People can question this deal all they want. It won’t change how happy we are getting him.
Betting that the Phillies will be one of the teams pushing for the DH in the NL sooner than later.
The Yankees “let” Machado sign with the Padres because they knew they could spend their money on Arenado next season. The problem is that Arenado extended with the Rockies, Machado went to the Padres and that coupled with the Rockies extending Arenado made the Giants and Dodgers re-think their pursuits of Harper and the way the NL West was shaping up. There is no guarantee that Trout, or Betts for that matter, will get to free agency. Of the “Big 5” possible free agent hitters in this 3 year span, it’s possible that Harper would be the last one the Phillies would have had a shot at signing and they took it.
Maybe the Yankees “let” Machado sign elsewhere because they already have a good offense and how they have already good players manning both positions that Machado plays.
Im surprised people even bought into the whole Yankees-Arenado rumor. It was presented by the same people who forwarded all the other false rumors.
We’re going to the World Series!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chicken counting,…..not hatched…… shouldn’t do that…. 🙂
I agree.
eh, let em have their day
Don’t try to rain on my parade gozurman!!!!
Yeah once you build a team that will take you there. This is not the team. I say Harper will be sitting on the bench due to injury. He is injury prone. But I wish Philadelphia good luck.
Insanity. Nobody is worth that much money.
Nobody.
And thats when youre wrong
And now’s when you’re wrong.
No.
Im not saying Harper himself is worth that price, but if you can generate enough jersey sales and ticket sales on top of your what your baseball abilities provide to the success of the team, then youre worth that type of money. There are also lots of other professions that demand skills of high value. If someone was able to provide a cure for HIV/AIDS (or any other major disease) they would be worth much more than what Harper got. The fact that you think nobody can possibly be worth that much is embarrassing.
Supply and demand really isnt that hard of a concept.
Ah man, I apologize. I didn’t mean to make you feel embarrassed.
Now the big question is can Kapler actually write a smart lineup with all of the new talent they have?
That is a big question. His job should be on the line if the team stumbles out of the gate, right?
if he continuously changes the lineup, then the answer is no!
Dads………Paraphrasing what he said today…”If the reports are true Bryce will probably fit in the 3 or 4 hole……but he could hit anywhere at the top of the lineup”. More of the same Gabe mentality.
The chance to mess this up might be too much for The Gabe..
Making out that lineup should be fun..
1- Cesar Hernandez
2- Jean Segura
3- McCutchcen
4- Rhys Hoskins
5- Bryce Harper
6- J T Realmuto
7- Maikel Franco
8- Goofy Herrera
9- Pitcher of the day
or, who knows…still fun
Why is Bryce Harper the OBP machine not batting higher? You want to give him more plate appearances than practically everyone on that team.
Not a bad off-season Dads. I was looking at MLB’s top 100 players and the Phillies have 6 of them
jays fan, I didn’t put a lot of thought into it..might want to switch Bryce and Rhys
Now, if they can only stay healthy
Yadier Molina is the best catcher in the game. NOT J.T. Realmuto. He’s good but not the best
I’m in such a good mood, I’m not even going to argue this. Although Fangraphs might disagree.
Yadira maybe 10 years ago
As a Marlins fan, I’m cool with this. Phillies take away more payroll flexibility going forward, for a guy that has been in the NL East for several years, while not making a difference, and only being the best player in the division when my team traded the best NL East player to the Yankees, and in the one season that Harper had a better year a couple years ago. Now the pressure is on.
Now for what it means this year, It’ll be entertaining for me as a Marlins fan. Either one or two of the top four NL East teams will have disappointing years. Also, at least two of three managers for the Nats, Mets, and Phillies will be fired sometime this year.
Oh, and here’s a bold thought. If all of the top four teams in the NL East play up to capabilities, they will beat each other up, thus lowering their win totals. If…and it’s a big if…If that happens, and some crazy stuff happens with my team in Miami, there will be some embarrassing results in this division. When you have this many teams in one division beating each other up, some strange things can happen.
I would take Freddie Freeman of the Braves over Harper any day.
Freddie has certainly been the more consistent player. Harper is far more talented, but Freddie has been more of a lead guy to his team.
Why is Harper more talented.Harper has 5 less hrs in one fewer year but pretty similar.Freeman has a higher ba by 14 points. Freeman is a bad fielder Harper is a worse fielder. Why is Harper a more talented.Did he win the decathalon or is he a better singer?
And Jetes will ship out any Marlins player making more than five bucks to whichever of those other four NL East teams begs him the most.
The crazy stuff in Miami would be if the Marlins outdraw the Rays. I suggest you accept reality.
Awww…Did E!SPN tell you all that?
Who ever beats up the marlins the most probably wins that division
Yes, but they’ll all do a good job at that, even the team that ends up in 4th place lol
It’s going to be a rough year as a Giants fan. Their outfield is horrendous.
Maybe the cubs would trade Kris Bryant to the Giants if they agreed to take Heyward? Probably not I know.
The Giants need to draft and develop their next superstar and not expect that one with sign in SF.
They had a great run though. Only problem for them was preparing for the future past that mini dynasty they had
You’re right. Might as well tear it down. Bet Madison Bumgarner will be traded this summer. I could see Atlanta.
He will have no trade value by then. 2 month rentals rarely get a huge haul. A team would have to be desperate like the 2016 cubs
You might be surprised with Bumgarner this year.
You might be wrong my friend. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. No way he resigns with SF.
Oh I agree he will end up walking but they took too long to flip him
I wouldn’t take Heyward even if I was offered Trout with him. Motivational speakers aren’t worth that contract.
It’s makes sense that your a Marlins fan. Only care about saving some money not the players and winning.
So Trout now goes to the Yankees?
Praying that way anyways. Don’t see how Hal could possibly avoid the best player of our generation
This doesn’t take the Phillies out of the Trout race when he tests FA.
Trout goes to the Giants. That 10 years the Giants were offering you better believe they are going to be front runners for trout like Philadelphia was for Harper
you balked on this one
NL East is going to be a killer division. Nationals might be the frontrunner but Phillies are definitely the most improved team of all. Vegas odds are already showing Philadelphia the love from World Series chances to win totals
Yea but then again Vegas picked Harper to win the MVP last year and said Yelich was a 200-1 shot along with Wilson Contreras so what do they know
HAHA, I think this turns into an albatross for the Phillies. I will laugh so hard when it does.
At the end for sure, but the aav gives some room to work.
Does this mean Trout gets 26 years and $660 million????
plus eagles season tickets for life.
Nah, everybody knows Trout is a Jets fan.
well he’s already an eagles season ticket holder so….
but did he buy the tickets or was this given to him to influence him? Thinking probably the latter and who wouldnt take free tickets. I would take free season tickets to the browns or the raiders and im no where near those areas and not a fan of either.
Meanwhile, the Braves are counting their broken chicken eggs. Looks like fourth place finish coming.
SOOOO dramatic. Come on, sally.
I don’t hate the deal from the Phillies perspective. But I don’t consider Harper MLB’s most recognizable player. To me he’s the current JD Drew. Most recognizable player is Trout then Verlander then Mookie…
Congrats to Bryce and good luck with the Phillies!
Can you ban Xabial for the amount of times we posted “Harper to the Yankees” with zero links to the two sides?
Let’s put Xabial and Mack83 in a box and ship them both to the Trop.
Prediction:
Braves
Phillies
Nats
Mets
Marlins
I agree
Prediction: Madison Bumgarner is traded to Atlanta come playoff time
Prediction madbum gets extended. Said he would take a discount to stay.
Everyone in the city of Philadelphia has a big smile on their face right now, it took a while many lost faith, that said get ready MLB the Phillies are back, and in the business of winning baseball games, hopefully god willing .several championships.
I guess Harper bringing all of that championship success and rings along with his multiple MVPs to the Phillies now.
You do realize he’s won the MVP right
Yes. One, not the multiple like he’s hyped up to be.
I thought thats what you might have meant but JD Martinez has never won an MVP Chris Sale has never won a CY Young. Nolan Arenado has never finished higher then fourth in MVP voting in his career. Manny Machado has never won an MVP.While Harper way over hyped number of MVPs might not be the way to prove it. Heck Hank Aaron in his whole career only won the MVP as many times as Harper and if he was playing today every team would break the bank for him.For Harper don’t attack championship rings or MVPs just look at his numbers Calling him over hyped is an under statement
As the crow flies, Bawlmore is not much further away from Millvale, New Jersey than Philly is, PhillyDog. Yeah, the Orioles are cheap. But, Washington is not THAT much further away, and they’ll have the free money they’re not paying Bryce.
Holy Crap!
Someone else posted this but it is kinda crazy.
After 13 seasons when Harper gets his last check from the Phillies in 2031. Bobby Bonilla will still be getting checks from the Mets for another 4 years.
As a Giants fan I’m glad we didn’t sign him. Don’t get me wrong would loved to have him but we really need to wait till all these bad contracts expire and get younger. If we are going to get an outfielder sign one to a 1 or 2 year deal. Like Adam Jones or Carlos Gonzalez
With Philly (maybe Boston?) out of the picture I’m guessing either the Braves or the Twins land Kimbrel.
When it comes to Keuchel, I think it’s gonna come down to either the Braves, Astros, or Padres.
Really curious to see how much they end up with since I doubt the other clubs will be willing to throw around as much cash as Philly was willing to.
This will be the ONLY time I will say I am thankful the Cubs have Heyward and his albatross of a contract on the team. It prevented them from making a moronic deal like this to this player. EASILY the most overrated player in MLB that I can think of in my 30+ year lifetime. Why the media has hyped this guy up to insane levels since his debut and have never relented is beyond me. He’s been in the league for 7 years. In 6 of those 7 years he’s been, on average, a 2.9 WAR player. I hate WAR and its over/misusage by pretty much everyone nowadays, but it’s what people ALWAYS refer to now, so I am forced to use this…. assumption. It’s not a stat. That said….. a 2.9 WAR? Is that really that special? $330M special? How this guy gets referred to as being a generational talent or brought up in “who’s the best player in MLB right now” debates and compared alongside to Mike Trout is disgusting to me. Moronic and disgusting. The dude is a fringe .270 hitter outside of his MVP season and in his entire career has averaged annually 26 HRs. He’s hit 30+ only twice. He averages only 132 games a year because he’s ALWAYS on the DL. Last year was only his 2nd time being healthy all year, playing 150+ games. His defense is pathetic… NO ONE talks about that though. In a world when nerds and talking heads who have never played the game place waaaay too much importance on defensive ability you’d THINK they’d be calling out how pathetic an OFer Harper is. Nope. Not even whispered about. The dude has a career -4.5 dWAR through 7 years…… and that’s not even that accurate a representation because his rookie year he somehow had a 1.5 dWAR. So in reality he’s more of a -6 dWAR the last 6 years. That is like -1.0 dWAR per year on average. I know most of that came last year with his ATROCIOUS -3.4 dWAR but still. Averaging -1.0 dWAR a year….. that puts him in Manny Ramirez territory. THAT’S how bad he is. Dude has been a .269 hitter with a .375-380 OBP, about 24 HRs, 24 doubles, 3 triples, 11 SBs, and only 130 games played, on average, each season….. outside of his MVP season. Harper has a teammate now who pretty much does that too but actually stays healthy all year. Andrew McCutchen. Since his 2nd year in MLB, first full year, McCutchen has averaged 155 games played each year, a .287 BA, .379 OBP, 33 doubles, 4 triples, 23 HRs, 18 SBs…. and has been about as bad a fielder in the OF as Harper. Only major difference between the two is McCutchen is 32 and Harper is 26.
I don’t know. I just don’t get/understand why of all the players with similar stats – and there are A LOT of them – as Harper… Harper is the one that gets all the insane attention. What makes his 25-30 HRs a year better than the other FOUR DOZEN players who do it each year (48 players hit 25+ HRs last year). Why is his .249 BA from last year and .243 BA from 2016…. ignored? Why is the fact he only averages about 130 games played a year…… ignored? Why is his HORRIBLE defense….. ignored? There are soooooooooo many red flags with Harper’s ability it’s ridiculous to me. I stress ability, because his mental state… that’s a whole other red flag in and of itself. There is absolutely nothing about this guy that makes me say he’s one of the best players in the game and DEFINITELY notthing about him that makes me think he should be the highest paid player in the game. On a per year basis….. looks like MLB GMs agreed with me, as it took until the end of February to sign him and he is only getting $25+M per year….. but for 13 years….. so dumb. NOTHING about this dude scream longevity. It’s not like he’s putting up astronomical numbers either that are unrivaled. I mean last year he hit his second most HRs in a single season with 34…… the Cubs shortstop hit as many….. their SS. Francisco Lindor and all his 180 lbs of body mass managed to hit 38 HRs last year. Harper hits 34 and he’s hyped up to be one of the best HR hitters in the game yet there are 2, smaller dudes who are short stops none the less out homering him. But Harper’s the greatest, haha. This deal has “DISASTER” written all over it. In classic media fashion, now that Harper is vastly overpaid I bet they start turning on him. He could post the EXACT same stat line he had in 2018 in 2019 and the media will be all over him saying how bad he is and how much Philly overpaid…… forgetting they were the ones for the last 7 years saying this dude deserves a $400-500M deal and sucking his d*** ever since he debuted. The media is awful and that’s what they do to maintain that reputation….. turn on a dime and look like fools for it. But what gets me is the fans have bought into this nonsensical hype. Why? I mean am I looking at a different Bryce Harper on baseball-reference? Because the stat lines I see on that site under “Bryce Harper” are good….. but hardly GREAT. Or….. is everyone friggin insane? My guess the latter. Willing to bet in about 3 years people will be looking at how dumb and awful this contract is. Unless Harper magically becomes a healthy player, averaging 150 games per year and hits .270 with a .390 OBP and belts 35-40 HRs annually…… this deal is going to look terrible in short order. And with him being in Philly, a fan base that is quick to draw the “boos” whenever a player struggles, the second Harper struggles….. which is often, coupled with him being a bit of a head case….. I can see it only adding to the disaster that is this deal. SO glad Ricketts put a cap on his payroll this offseason and the Cubs weren’t players in on Harper. Is Harper worth $25M a year….. in today’s ridiculous game, sure…. I’d give him that. But for like 7 years not THIRTEEN!!! I can’t wait to watch this unfold and watch the media turn on him. It’s like the plot in a movie being blatantly obvious to me but i’m still interested to see it unfold and how all parties handle the situation. I like to imagine Philly fans rioting, Harper having mental break downs, flipping off the fans, and the media doing a massive 180 and saying what a cancer Harper has become. Seems stupid extreme…… yet it’s very plausible. If Harper has a 2019 that looks like his 2016 or 2018….. Philly is going to be booing him like crazy. I doubt Harper will be able to handle it if past incidents are any indication of his mentality. Top it off with the known fact he doesn’t even want to play in Philly he just wants their money…… this is going to be good, haha. Messy….. but really fun to watch blow up from a distance here in Chicago, haha. And the media is going to act like “no one saw this coming.” I did…. I’ve seen it coming for the last 7 years he’s been in the league. Media’s been hyping him up relentlessly despite him not putting up the numbers that would warrant such hype… aside from a single season. People have bought into the media brainwashing hype for some reason and also think he’s a great player, one of the best in the game. BUT now that he’s gotten his first and what will be his only contract of his career…… people are going to finally wise up that a hitter who has averaged what Harper has averaged……. isn’t really worth $330M….. definitely not a THIRTEEN year deal. Fans are the FIRST ones to bi*** and moan about a player’s salary eating up too much of the payroll and not contributing enough to warrant such a chunk. It’s a matter of a couple of years before you hear it about Harper. It’s going to be like when Ryan Howard was in Philly getting paid $20-25M on his deal…. and he wound up to be a bum. Playing on average 116 games, hitting .230, getting on base at a .300 clip and belting 22 HRs a year. I’m not going to say Harper is going to drop off that quickly and that far…… but he is definitely not going to be worth $25M a year for 13 years and the Philly fan base will let us know about it…. repeatedly. Like EVERY fan base does when they have a player on their team not worth the salary they’re receiving.
KB, how bored were you at work today bruh?
KB why don’t you just say what you mean lol. Just kidding Really agree with everything you said and have been saying it for weeks.I just didn’t use as many words. I’m a Yankee fan and I’ve seen many people say what a terrible fielder Andujar was last year and he was bad.Last year Harper was a point worse.Unbelievable.If Harpers worth that salary what are Betts or Trout or Judge etc worth.This contract has Jason Heyward written all over it
“This contract has jayson heyward written all over it”
Stop it
Good luck on pt 2 of your thesis.
Hehehehe.
Dear goodness! I don’t have ADD, but this post has made me consider taking the meds to read this.
yeah uhh, this is MLBTR not a yelp rant so no way in he11 am i reading all this. Ill give ya an upvote though
/book
Way too long of a post to read…….Might try to read it at home so I do not get caught by my boss being on MLB Trade rumors……..
lol what was that?!? You may need mental help there. You’d be the same person to scream how awesome it was if your team (cubs?) signed him. Get a life.
KB….one word….paragraphs.
Two words…less words…
*fewer words…
Totally agree with you.
KB, hopefully that post provided the needed amount of self worth to keep you going for a few weeks!
TL; DR
Point 1: If you’re going to take away Harper’s rookie year dWAR as an outlier, you should probably take away last season’s -3.2 dWAR as well since that was even more of an outlier than the +1.5 dWAR.
Point 2: In the last 4 seasons he’s played 153, 147, 111, 159. So 3 of the last 4 seasons he’s been relatively healthy. Last 4 seasons he’s average 143 games played.
Point 3: Saying he’s only hit 30 HRs twice, while correct, is a bit disingenuous. He had 29 HRs in 2017 and he only played 111 games. So again, 3 of the last 4 season he either did, or was on pace to hit 30 HRs.
Point 4: His batting average is ignored because he gets on base at a high clip. Last year, in what was a pretty average year for Harper, he finished 16th in the MLB in OPS. 2017 he would have been 4th (did meet the minimum ABs). 2016 he finished 58th. In 2015 he finished 1st. So he finished top 10 in OPS in 2 of the last 4 seasons and top 20 in 3 of the last 4. His adjusted OPS+ ranks him 7th among all active players. He’s pretty good at the plate.
Yeah, I thought he would get less than $31MM per year and a contract over $300MM. I can see Kimbrel to Philly on a one year and option make good contract for over the QO money.
Baseball salaries are getting rediculous! Pretty soon, major league clubs will not be able to afford their players.
Not true. Last year the Yankees payroll was less then 30% of there actual revenue.Most other teams are between 30 and 35% .Your comment just has no bearing on reality
Most teams are closer to 45-50% fwiw
But yeah, teams are only committing based on projected revenues. So the spending is fine
Yours is even worse.
Good for him. Seems like a really good guy who had worked his butt off.
Now a non factor with Machado. All about the money. Can’t wait to see the tears when he is Boooooo’d.
Ryan Howard says hi.
Give it 4 years and they will be begging someone to take this clown.
That’s usually how it goes. I was so thrilled when we traded Stanton to the Yankees. My only regret in that trade is that the Marlins didn’t just take one of the beer vendors in return for the Yankees taking on the entire contract.
13 years is ridiculous. I dont even think he wanted to play there. Machado wanted to be in NY and Harper wanted to be in LA as their first choice.. all about that money though. I think the Phillies fans will eat him alive once he starts slumping and choking in big at bats. he wont be able to handle that environment
Stanton probably was thrilled to get out of Miami. Now he can play on a team that has a chance to win.
So let me get this straight. As a fan with a horrible team you were thrilled your team traded a player who had just hit 59 hrs in the previous season.Were you paying his salary or did you just want Starlin Castro badly?Or was it you were happy so the Marlins could then keep Dee Gordon Yelich Ozuna and Realmuto…oops
Finally, a “Clown” comment, Bro! Well played…
Give it for years and the brewers will be back into obscurity. Maybe less than that…
By far? Trout was pretty good that year and the following year Harper’s average and obp dropped by almost .100 each.. his slugging by .200…then he hit 330 then his average and obp dropped hard again a year later.. Harper doesn’t have the consistency but is the face of MLB right now. one year he is great one year he is above average.. every year his defense stinks. the benefit with machado is he has gold glove defense and harper’s d just keeps getting worse and worse. Still 25 mil a year is a STEAL for harper and what premier players are going to command in the future and lets be honest not too many players of this caliber available in the next 3 years at age 26.
Well…..hats off to the Phillies for being true to their word. They spent “stupid” money but they also spent “stupid” years.
What are the corresponding moves?
13 Years !!??? Did Not see that coming. . . If I’m the GIANTS. Glad they did not sign this guy for that many years. . . 10 was a stretch. Believe Me. I would have gone 10 @ 400. But that was too much. And he wanted more years to beat Stanton. . . Pride played a role. A dumb contract for him. I think. But he’s guaranteed the doe. And that that’s matters. . . Injuries or not. He gets his career contract. No op outs. And good luck in Philly. . . It ik the Giants. Dodged a bullet here. And Harper can focus on becoming the apltike home run leader…….
How does Washington let him leave and get next to nothing for him. They either should have moved July 31 or August 31 but either way this is utter failure by their front office. If he truly is generational talent then you can’t let him leave for a compensatory pick.
since when is a carrer .279 hitter, and a .249 season in 2019 a “generational talent”??? Trout is a generational talent, not this moron
13 years and no chance of parole
So didn’t set the annual record and the total money record will inevitably be topped next year with either/both Betts and Trout.
Boras’ ego trip will be short lived.
He’ll try hard to console himself with his commission check…
All that time and he’s making less $$ than Machado and Arenando.
330/13 is “only” 25.4 mil aav, harper is not the highest paid player per year, but overall.
the number of years is astounding though. boras must have dirt on the phillies or played the phillies, giants and the mystery team against each other.
if harper waives the no trade clause down the road, in 2022 when the phillies arent competing, it works out for them.
most phils fans expected they had to get over Stanton 325 mil to get Harper, and expected it to be 9 or 10 years to do it. 13 just means its extra years to spread the dollars over.
Machado did better. Way better.
Two GM’s will be in the hot seat by the end of the year by spending lots of $$$$ and missing the playoffs…
I’m completely baffled by the logic of this deal. Think about this:
AGE PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
22/24 700 575 130 187 40 1 43 114 117 140 0.325 0.435 0.640 1.075
23/25 700 559 99 138 31 1 31 98 126 151 0.246 0.377 0.466 0.843
That’s Harpers stats, per 700 PA, for his age 22/24 and 23/25 seasons. Also, consider he lost *fewer* games to injury during the latter. So which Bryce Harper did the Phillies just sign?
Harper could have easily singed a 7 year deal for at least the $33.4 yearly average Arenado got. Then, IF he’s the 22/24 Harper, and IF he stays relatively healthy over those 7 seasons, he could easily sign for another 6 years for at least the $30 million average Machado got (at present value). And this is obviously conservative. So, if both of these IFs are true, Harper just screwed himself out of, at minimum, $88.8 million dollars (and presumably Boras out of $8.88 million).
The only scenario where Harper comes out ahead is if either or both of these IFs are untrue. That is, he either remains the high K/BB, low average/defense likely DH-ineligable moderate power hitter he’s been in two of the last three seasons, or he performs to expectations but remains injury prone and continues to not play in 18% of games over those 13 years (384 of 2,106, not counting post season, which is optimistic considering nine of those 13 seasons he’ll be in his 30s), so the Phillies are screwed (and royally screwed if it’s both).
Either way, somebody’s getting screwed.
This was pressure from their stupid owner that said they WILL get one of the two. Personally, i thought Machado fit better with the Phils. Once Machado signed with SD, Boras did cartwheels knowing they will overpay in money and years since they essentially promised the fans one of the two. Stupid owner. Needs to shut his mouth and do business behind closed doors. Could have gotten a 10 year deal done.
Please stop
Better AAV for them to potentially resign Realmuto, extend Rhys Hoskins and to sign free agents in the future. Gives them opportunity at sustained success.
So what part of this define a “stupid owner”?
Gotta love all these comments that are negative. We could have signed JESUS and you negative people would piss and moan. LMFAO
Jesus walked on water, while Bryce just walks alot.
Can he hit a curve?
Harper will hit 50 HRs in that ball park.
That”s not even 4 HRs a year.
Comment of the day – dropped the mic…
$330 million for probably 7 years of stardom and 6 of regret. Really don’t see the point of these mega deals.
In 7 years he has had 2 Verygood years and the rest so so years.What makes you think more then half of his years through age 38 will be “stardom”years
That was an upward estimate. Stars always suffer the biggest drop-off and a contract that takes him to 39? Yeah there’s no way he’s going to be doing much from 35-39.
Don’t get me wrong he’s a phenomenal talent, but the money is getting out of hand, i don’t know why players are so upset
Because they know the owners are making huge amounts of cash even though their books aren’t open and players salaries were going up and up mostly until Albert pujols deal with Anaheim. They’d strike knowing the game of baseball is making money but they aren’t getting the deals they hope for. I’d rather see the hot dog vendor get more of a raise than some bum coming of a mega deal and not performing worth a damn.
The Giants and Dodgers are the real winners after all.
All 3 of these recent $300m contracts are waaay over paid. Harper will end up the biggest disappointment, followed by Machado who at least plays all-world defense (at third) despite somewhat inconsistent offense, and poor overall attitude. Arenado puts up massive offensive numbers every year and plays all-world defense as well. But $300m?
If the owners have that kind of cash flow for one guy, there should be ZERO public funds going towards privately held stadiums.
13 years is a long time to get boo’d in Philly.
He isn’t worth it and Phillies will be desperate to dump him by year 6. His only great season was 2015 and his rep far exceeds his performance.
At least the Phils got the “stupid money” part done!
“” At least the Phils got the “stupid money”” part done!
The Phils have been spending stupid money for years:
Hellickson gets $17M for qo.
Hiring Kapler for anything.
Santana 3yr/$60M when similar players were just looking for a contract.
Arrietta 3yr/$75M might have been okay 5-6 years ago.
McCutchen can’t stop talking about getting 3yr/$51M.
Plus add in that they gave up on JP Crawford who was a top 3 prospect just 2-3 years ago and
Sanchez a top 15 prospect and 5 yrs control of Alfaro, imo the top young catcher in MLB for 2 years of Realmuto.
Hiring this GM looks like a bad deal too.
Obsess much?
I won’t
Fast forward to 2037 Harper induction to the HOF as a Philly. Doubt I will be around but imagine they get the box scores in heaven ?
You’ll still be alive and you’ll wake up from your dream because that isn’t happening
Look at your fff’in stage name. You think “DoxieDevil” is gonna be welcome in Heaven? LMFAO! You better be stockin up on Ice, boy
Well there it is. Icing on top of the cake! Phillies got DRAMATICALLY better, so did the Mets this offseason! What a freaking joke! Where you at braves!!!!!! Go get kimbrell and keuchel !! That bullpen is brutal!!!
Question.Bryce Harper was on the Nats last year with Soto and Trea Turner and Rendon along with Scherzer and Strasburg and they won 82 games.How much did he really help them?
Great players make all those around them better. This is not Harper. His positive don’t make a big difference, but his negatives can hurt a team more.
Harper was the reason the Nats didn’t win the division last year. He was hitting .214 half way through the season when teams that thought they had no chance to win the division at the start of the season were 8-9 games up halfway through.
Soto wasn’t there the whole season either
Now only going to finish 3rd instead of 4th in the division. I guess that’s what $330 mil will get you these days.
13 years is a lifetime.
Congrats to the Phillies!!! Didn’t want to see him go to a NL West team.
Time for the Angels to extend 11years to Trout’s 2 years remaining. Something like 11yrs 340 million. This would bring his 13 year total over 400 million.
Get it done Artie!
The Dodgers offered Harper 4/180, 45 mil a season. That’s Trouts number now. I’m guessing 7/315.
Lucky for the Dodgers he did not accept.
I don’t believe they offered that much and Boras allowed him to turn down. He would only have to average around $15 million a year following the offer you stated to breakeven. I’m sure from age 30 to 34 he would average at least 30 million. Plus LA is closer to home. No way Dodgers offered 45million
Lol. Boras has no say in what he accepts and what he doesn’t. I believe boras told reporters Bryce requested a deal where he would never have to be a free agent again or switch teams again. 13yrs, no opt out, full ntc. Hits all the marks
This is like when you get sucked into buying a timeshare. Phillies made the move because it will help them now and it was flashy; however, they will have serious buyer remorse .
Harper is not worth that money
Harper was worth that money to Philadelphia.
That’s all that matters.
It’s better to want something you don’t have than to have something you don’t want.
Pros:
Harper gets $25m for 13 years guaranteed.
The Phillies get “their guy,” at least until Mike Trout hits free agency.
Cons:
Harper plays in Philadelphia.
This doesn’t change the balance of power in the NL East much at all (at first blush).
It has been rumored that Philadelphia is looking into signing Hunter Strickland and Jonathan Papelbon as special advisors.
Didn’t read the full article so sorry if I’m asking a question that might be up there but does he have a no trade clause? I can’t see him playing all 13 years there if end up not doing well after even half the contract is up. The only thing going for the Phils is that the DH is coming to the NL so I guess he could spend all 13 years there but still seems crazy to.
I hope this means more free agents start to sign. There are still good arms on the open market. Dodgers should be trying to get one of them with Kershaw hurt and his history of injuries lately. I know they have Buehler and Urias but Hill is good for a few trip to the DL as well as Ryu so they could use the depth and not just depth but they could really use above average starter.
You couldn’t even read to the 2nd paragraph?
“Harper gets full no-trade rights”
I’ve read so much about Harper it makes me sick. Sorry I didn’t want to read another, always gotta be a douche bag like you and this other guy who love to talk crap instead of just being helpful. I never bash anyone on here, I never correct anyone or insult them for their opinion but that’s all this damn page is it seems like are people who either correct you or talk shit. What a joke.
Anyone who starts their comment with “Didn’t read the full article so…” doesn’t really deserve to have their questions answered.
Read.
Kick rocks. Don’t waste your time commenting if you don’t like what I wrote. Donkey!
This guy is so lazy in the OF and Phillies will pay 13 years for absolutely laziness. It will be interesting to see how much of a club house presence he brings. Didn’t he have a few run ins with teammates in Washington?
Congratulations Phillie fans.
You just spent $330M for Jay Bruce.
Last 7 years:
Harper 184 HRs 521 RBIs
Bruce 186 HRs 598 RBIs
but the Phils didnt buy the last 7 years, they bought the future. I’m going to guess Harper outperforms Bruce?
I’m going to guess Bruce isn’t going to make $330M either.
My point was that you don’t have to break the bank to find a lousy fielding, bad base running player who can hit 35-40 HRs in Philadelphia. Not to mention one who likes to get ejected late in games when it looks like he won’t get another at bat so he can get in the clubhouse instead of going back out to the field with the rest of his teammates. There are no tears being shed in the Nats clubhouse and according to a poll Nat fans overwhelmingly wanted Rendon and Turner extended instead of signing Harper. Not to mention 2 young outfielders in Soto and Robles at 20 and 21 years old who are probably already better players than big head, no brains Harper.
Note: I have been bashing Harper for years so this is no sour grapes from me.
How did somebody with no brains wind up with $330 million?
You really think he gets ejected on purpose to get in the clubhouse early? There’s been a lot of moronic posts recently but this takes the cake. Enjoy 4th place.
Got anger?
There’s so many comments this evening from hurt and angry fans. I’d suggest you all get a good night sleep tonight, and then wake up tomorrow morning and get on with your hurt and angry lives. God bless you all!
Almost-age-32 Bruce’s career bWAR is 18.9.
Harper passed that at age 22.
Try harder next time.
A bit jaded, are we?
FINALLY! Now let the dominoes of Free Agency start to fall. Let’s get these other FA’s signed and let’s play some baseball!
Looking 2 years down the road, Trout may well sign with Philly, especially if the Angels are still a middle of the pack team. If the Phillies start winning, I believe Trout would take a discount to play near his home, in his favorite city. He is already adored by Eagles fans, as he attends their home games, and he and Harper might make one of the most feared 3-4 or 2-3 hitting duos in History
Why? Did Harper take a discount yo be closer to Vegas?
When he next reaches free agency, My Kindergartener will be heading off to college.
Every team that ends up making this type of deal regrets it. And their fans do too. Phillies better hope they cash in within several years because he will only be good for about five more years. Statistically contracts greater than five years in MLB show a 78.2 % flop rate. No wonder teams are reigning it in. All in all, the massive payouts are going down. It’s good because payout should be linked to performance. Once mediocre pitchers started being paid big money MLB became absurd. Mediocre results should not be highly rewarded but they often are in MLB
All that for $25M per? 13 years, so what? This is chump change compared to what players will get a decade from now. What a joke.
Chi, you are so right….heck, in two years this might look like the deal of the century
There were never going to be enough serious bidders to drive the price for Machado and Harper anywhere near $400m.
Gee I was surprised. I expected 40 years and $9 billion. SMH
With an opt out after 20 years.
Harper took a pay cut ,but we all know that all this does is make the game Un affordable. The Unions and the Agents have made this . game way to much for the Average Family of 3 to attend and i`m sure the new TV contract will be less than before. This is Not Soccer where its a worlds sport . It is manly an American sport Played in Japan and the Poor Latin Countries where those players want to come here to make it big. you can not get a Big TV contract like what FIFA gets .for Soccer .Harper in the 5th years will be so old and Broken down that the Philles got lucky, that he will be a tradable at 25 Million a year , Im sure teams that they trade him to will want Half that paid for . if not ,the Phillies can sell the team like Lora did in Miami after he got his stadium and gave Stanton that Monster contract that he was never going to Honor anyway by selling the team after 2 years.of getting the stadium built.
Yes if there’s something we’ve seen it’s that salary caps on players contracts have made the NFL, NBA and NHL more affordable ticket prices over the last few decades. Oh wait, that didn’t happen and the owners are laughing in your face for buying that players salaries are the reason they charge a price that someone will pay for.
If you can’t afford it and are upset about it, don’t pay for it or support the product. Otherwise capitalism 101 suggests that someone WILL pay for it and you’ll be out of luck.
Try going to a sixers, flyers or eagles game with 3 people. You might get something under $40/ticket are the flyers. Good luck finding anything under $100 each at the eagles
Only tickets under $125 at an Eagles game are the standing room only that cost half that and then get doubled on the secondary market.
So comments are being deleted for some reason now?
He needed to go 13 to get his $300+ contract.. I knew he wasn’t worth $30+ a year. Phillies are going to hate this contract in about 4 years when that swing starts to take its toll on him. Heavily overrated player!
hundreds of millions of dollars to a player that won’t make the HOF
Is there any opt outs? The Phillies finally spent stupid money
He got Heyward money, so…
The Heyward contract looks super team friendly now. With no opts outs. He’s stick for 13 years. Harper is not very smart if he didnt get any opt outs. You gotta get at least 2 opt outs on a 13 year contract. Boras really is a leech in this situation. He got another overrated player a massive deal.
Harper, that guy who isn’t very smart, signed his name to a piece of paper that guarantees him $330 million. Yup. He’s a complete idiot.
Harper can hit a little. All Heyward can do is catch fly balls. Who’s dumber, the Phillies or cubs?
It ain’t my money but the Philies seriously overpaid for a slightly-above average player. His list of accolades does not mean a thing when he can’t play at that level consistently, especially when you are signing him to a 13-year deal.
This is kind of a move that drags down a franchise for years until the contract comes off the book.
Simply look at Albert Pujols.
Yes, Harper is much younger than Pujols when he signed the long term deal with the Angels but there is no way Harper can sustain his levels of playing for 13 years. Even his recent years weren’t out-of-this-wordly.
Good luck, Phillies fans, for maybe a couple of good years and 10 years of disappoitment.
His 2017 was very great and easily worth 26M even if he only played 110 games.
Ya, I mean, look how much it helped the Nats. Harper led them to four meaningless division titles followed promptly by four first round exits.
Overrated – he can’t hit against the shift and he is terrible in the field. He will get a lot of walks and dingers but as an overall player, I would put about 10 players above him. The good news for Washington is that they have the money to spend on Rendon.
Good news? Rendon’s FA year is when he turns 30. Have fun flushing that money down the toilet.
He not a Ahole like Harper! Good luck with EgoMan!
Gimp’s got the sour grapes…
As good of a player as he is and he is a very good player I’d say within three years the organization is going to regret this contract and the sad part is after three years they will still be locked in for another decade. By the year 2024 we will hear the Phillies are either shopping him or have already traded him and also the Phillies will have to eat probably about 80% of the salary just to get rid of him. They will not be getting rid of him because he’s not good they will be getting rid of him because in order to win they will need to trade him much like the Rangers when it came to Alex Rodriguez. This contract is going to hemorrhage that franchise to a point they would not be able to sign any more major stars. To those Phillies fans who think or have dreamed of an L field with Harper and trout if anyone truly believes they would have the money after signing this contract they are living in a dreamworld. The Phillies were 80-82 last season third place in the National League east they need multiple pieces and giving over $300 million to one player is not going to get the job done much like giving 300 million to Manny Machado is not going to do the job for the Padres.
He’s only $22M per for a while. That won’t keep them from signing anyone.
Did you read the story .He’s going to be earning 26 million dollars through 2028. What exactly are you talking about
If the Rangers when they signed A-Rod had the talent and foresight that the Phillies have now, the Rangers would have won. They didn’t have either. They had a solid infield for a few years and garbage everywhere else. This was the same idiot owner who also brought in a 30-year-old Chan Ho Park to a massive deal.
The Rangers traded A-Rod after the 2003 season and did not win the division until 2010. Those two events had nothing to do with each other.
your just salty
It’s basically $66M deferred. He’ll probably be out of baseball by the time he’s 35.
I’ve seen some dumb stuff. This is near the top tho.
Pretty easy illustration on why free agency isn’t the best way to build a team…
If the Phillies tried to trade Bryce Harper (pretending he didn’t have a NTC) would any team trade for him without the Phillies eating money? Would any team even just take the contract in a salary dump for their 45th best prospect?
We already know the answer. The Phillies were the only team willing to give him this contract.
On the day it’s signed, his contract is already basically unmovable and if he struggles at all, it becomes an albatross.
So this is what they meant by “stupid money.” I’m just glad it’s over and excited for the 2019 season to begin.
Contract ends in ‘31, not ‘32
Harper’s one of the few these days who draws fans to the park by himself. I think it’s Maury Brown who guestimates every “fanny in the seat” in Philly nets the team another $35. So that’s 4M or so (they probably draw at least another 100,000 just because of Harper) you can knock that off the cost of the contract.
And a couple of residual effects; they’re about the favorites in the NL East now; September games may mean something meaning higher attendance (cha-ching). With Harper, they may very well make the playoffs (cha-ching). And he has to share his endorsement revenue (which will likely flow) with the team (cha-ching). Citizen’s Bank certainly plays to Harper’s abilities; could be some MLB record chasing, which will result in higher attendance (cha-ching).
An AAV of 25M. with no deferrals ,means it’s all in 2019 money, which could very well be devalued as we move on through time.
If the total package had to be in that range, the Phillies were pretty smart here.
Within hours of his signing they quickly sold over 100,000 tickets.
Absolute crap that the MLB network has spent so much time covering this signing!
No kidding!! I mean, it’s not like it’s one of the biggest stories of the day or anything!!
Love the Realmuto acquisition. But this is downright stupid. He’s not even the best player in the game, but his contract will hamstring this team for year’s to come. In 5 years think Puljos. I guess ownership felt they had to overpay in order to bring quality free agents to Philly.
Wrong. It’s structured where they will have plenty of flexibility
Seems reasonable to me 25 million a year. He’s pretty good, power, average, obp
Your response to $25 million AAV for a top 5 name in MLB is “He’s not even the best player in the game”
What kind of entitled bs is that? lol Heyward makes $23 million AAV Cespedes $27 million AAV.
The Pujols contract was stupidly backloaded and lasts until he’s 41. This deal is frontloaded and only lasts until Harper is 38. By those reasons alone, this is already much better than the Pujols contract. The AAV is also somewhat lower than the biggest contracts out there today.
Will the second half of the contract still become something of an albatross? I could see it going either way depending on how well Harper ages.
Can’t wait to watch all the Philadelphia fan-fueled Bruce Harper hate around year 2025. I’ve already got my popcorn ready for that almost decade-long show. Lol. 😀
This is one of the dumbest signings/contracts in sports history.
Explain how
Do you follow baseball? If you do, you should easily be able to figure it out.
I actually do. The contract is very flexible for the Phillies to potentially resign Realmuto, extend Hoskins and still be majors players for future free agents. It’s called smart business. To be able to potentially sustain success.
If you look deep into his numbers, you’ll find a pretty legit baseball player who hasn’t even hit his prime yet
He put up his best numbers outside Washington at CBP.
Time will tell, so you may want to hold off on your popcorn buddy
As a Braves fan, I have to admit that this looks like a really good deal for Philly. Much better than I thought it would turn out to be. I’m impressed. It’s even structured the right way instead of back-loaded.
Get ready Phillies! Ego Man is coming to town!!! 3 years from now your going to hate him!!!
Sour grapes…
Stupid money. Yep. Necessary to play in that city.
Good luck with his ego playing 9-10 games in DC lol
Jason Heyward $23 million AAV
Yu Darvish ~$20-21 million AAV
Stupid money. Yep. Necessary to play in that city.
Chicago is a World Class City. St. Louis is Chicago’s toilet bowl. Just sayin’.
the city may be classy, but apparently not all the residents.
Aw Chicago, every weekend that goes by brings us to the Monday morning question of how many homicides this weekend?
I bet Goldschmidt has better numbers this year than Machado and Harper!
Goldy wasn’t a FA and will be 32 at the end of the season.
He may compete with Harper as far as AAV is concerned, but he’s not getting over 5-6 years unless his AAV takes a hit or the contract is frontloaded.
Maybe, but I bet the Phillies will be in the postseason, making noise.
Machado and Harper took the most money. If they are healthy and productive is good, if not it is bad.
Phils need to immediately beg the MLB to add the DH to the NL.
Trade the Phillies to the AL for the Rays
Horrible deal. Soon to be topped by a 15 year/$400mil deal. Why not just give ownership of the team to sign a top free agent?
Not adding Realmuto via trade was the biggest disappointment of the offseason for the Dodgers imo. He would have been a perfect fit. This one…not so much.
It would have been nice to add Harper to the Dodgers lineup, but definitely not for 13yrs. Assuming he stays healthy, I’m sure the Phil’s will get a lot of offensive production from him for the first 5-6 years. Good luck with the back half of the deal though, especially without the ability to use him as a DH. We shall see
Props to Philly for the contract structure. I think they made the contract manageable even for his later years.
Potential to be team-friendly for the majority of the contract. Harper has only ever been good, great, or injured. Insurance should protect the team from 50-80% of the salary obligations, which most people overlook for the sake of being dramatic.
A star player was available, and the Phillies got him. Good for the Phillies and baseball.
Yeah, but can he pitch?
Great, cliff lee and Ryan Howard can come back from retirement. How’s that knee doing Areitta?
I am so surprised there is no opt out for anyone
Yeah, I was expecting a 3-4 years high AAV then an opt out before a 4-6 year commitment for less AAV. This seems to benefit both sides financially. 13 is pretty scary but manageable if he plays up his prime years.
Thank God he has gone to Phillies, but I am surprised at AAV, it’s 25.4. I guess people valued Machado more
Well of course they do. Except for Harper’s 2015 season and a near-tie in their ages, Machado is simply the superior player in every way.
So many ridiculous comments. First of all, why is everyone saying in 4 years the phillies will be regretting the contract? He will be like 30… still in his prime. Also, 25/aav is really not that much for the phillies who have tons of cash to spend. My guess is 9-10 of those years, harper is going to be really, really good. And as for the last 3-4 years, if he produces even at an average rate, it’s a good deal for the phillies overall. One player making 25m/yr is NOT going to handcuff the phillies in the slightest. They aren’t the rays or A’s. They aren’t even nearing the luxury tax yet. Good deal for the phillies.
Well, the length is obviously longer than is wise to give him, but on the other hand the Phillies were able to frontload the deal and avoid giving him any out-outs while paying him a lower AAV than superior players Machado and Arenado. This deal is pretty fair for both sides.
I’m pretty shocked Bryce took this style deal to be honest. I think it works out great for the Phillies, though there obvious huge risk. But Harper bet against his earning power which is not usually the Scott Boras move, in favor of just setting a “record” contract total. I’m pretty sure he could have easily gotten a 5/$175 deal with an opt out after year 3 which would have allowed him to opt out at 29 and secure another megadeal. Bryce took security, which given his personality and flare would likely not have been my bet if I knew all of his options.
On the plus side, he went to the team with the best shot at contention if the Dodgers were lowballing him and an ownership group that wants to bring baseball back in a big way in Philadelphia. I assume the Dodgers had the lowest offer of the 3 knowing his reported preference for them or the Yankees.
It’s been reported by a few that the things Harper wanted, aside from money, was commitment and a deal long enough to avoid FA again. That is why he said no to opt-outs and yes to a full NTC. He want to be with one team the rest of his career.
The Phillies have a jumble in the OF now. I expect a few trades by opening day.
Call the Giants.
I think this is so awesome. The Mets, Phillies and Braves will keep this division very interesting in 2019 with the Nationals getting a chance to play spoiler and still having a decent squad. Everyone will get to beat up on the Marlins.
I think because of competition within the division and 1/3 of the league tanking, it’s’ going to be a lower win total and maybe 4 teams that finish above .500. I could see it finishing:
Phillies – 92-70
Mets – 90-72
Braves – 87-75
Nationals – 82-80
Marlins – 45-117
I think with the Marlins playing so many games against above average to very good squads, there’s a good chance they don’t win 20 games against division rivals. That’s probably an over-estimate. Could we be in line to see one of the worst teams in MLB history?
I’m actually most excited to watch the NL East after my home division AL East and I haven’t said that since Chipper Jones was in uniform.
P.S. Great job MLBTR getting rid of the downvote upvote system that was clearly being trolled.
Smart move!
Yes! I noticed that today too and I love it. But now what are the trolls going to complain about? I hope they just go away. It seems that after ESPN eliminated their comments section (which was the right move; that was a nightmare) a lot of the worst people there migrated here. The conversations here used to be much more interesting and enlightening, and now there are literally threads that are 15 messages of people writing about upvoting and downvoting. Kudos to MLBTR for refusing to keep feeding the trolls. Noe if only they’d require real names or, at least, avatars…
Yup, bye bye 1600 and his aliases! Thank you MLBTR
Goes from the most beloved player in DC to the most hated player overnight. They’ll hear the loudness of the boos all the way to Philadelphia when he plays in the capital.
As a CWS fan, I’m jealous. This is not a bad deal for Philly.
While Machado is the better player, Harper is the bigger name. There is no doubt Harper will sell enough jerseys, boost the media audience, & bring enough fans to the park to more than cover that $20M signing bonus. Harper is then tradeable at $26M/yr during his prime & $22M as he thinks about retiring.
How much will $22M be worth then? I think it will be less than 3x the MLB avg.
More importantly, they’ve got his rights for 13 yrs!
They basically leveraged the $20M signing bonus in exchange for no opt-outs.
There is no doubt Harper is a greater risk health wise than Machado, but Philly for sure will buy insurance against this deal & after the first yr it’s really $300M/12 yr. They can use Machado’s insurance cost as a base for Harper’s then. The added risk then will cost them less than 10% more than the Padres will pay.
Congrats to Philly!
Great move. They’re made for each other. The locker room cancer plays for a team with cancerous fans. I put the over/under at 4 years before the fans turn on him (what can I say, I’m in a generous mood).
Great post! Inaccurate and completely ignorant but great post nonetheless
He’ll be traded to the Yankees in 5 or 6 years guaranteed
Easily the best long term contract ever being front loaded. Let the haters hate
Crazy that the qualifying offer will probably be more than his salary at the end of the deal.
Now that it’s is finally done, I’ve ready some salty comments on here. I mean the haters, are in full hate mode.
Bottom line … you just witnessed one of the greatest offseasons by any 1 team
In the history of baseball. The Phillies Ownership And FO should be celebrated. Whatever team you cheer for, your ownership&FO now have a new standard to live up to.
The Phillies are no longer rebuilding, they flexed their financial strength, which partially comes from the fan base that some of you LOVE to hate. On top of that, they still have a top farm team to enchance their roster, while still being able to be major players in the FA market … yes I’m eluding to the Phillies signing trout. Book it. Middleton ripped the heart out of DC fans with one hand, and he’ll rip the heart out of LAA fans with his other hand. For those fan bases, I’ll give a pass, I can fell the pain for you. The rest are salty as hell!
For the true baseball fans, you can thank the NL East for the upcoming season. It’s going to be a battle for the divisible, lots of great baseball ahead.
Btw, don’t worry about the Harper contract aging badly, the upcoming championships will make up for the last 3 years. By then it’ll be fair well tour.
phillies are trash, much like yourself
Your tears taste delicious, salty Mets fan. Enjoy the impending Trout signing
McCutchen
Segura
Harper
Trout
Hoskins
Realmuto
Franco
Kingery
Pitcher
Better hope the DH doesn’t come soon either, it’ll be even worse. Doesn’t even include the prospects who could over take McCutchen,Franco or Kingery!
so you can see into the future? mcutchen is not close to the same guy he used to be and they way over paid for him.
segura? ok hes a good ss but nothing special.
harper? been there done that.
trout is not even on the team and i can only assume teams will actually be willing to commit money to him compared to Machado and harper, plus there will be more teams with the money to sign him.
rest of the lineup we have no idea how they will pan out, and they obviously fell off big time last season.
and where is the pitching? sorry, phils will have a good team, but harper was on a stacked Nats lineup for years and how did that pan out? just because people sign names or add new players doesnt make them special.
acuna
camargo
freeman
Donaldson
mccann
Markakis
inciarte
albies
(swanson)
(flowes)
oh wait Braves won the division last year and have a wave of pitchers who got experience and pitched well plus a whole nother crop waiting their turn.
The era of the Philadelphia Harpoons begins.