Blue Jays president Mark Shapiro discussed his organization’s financial situation in a chat with MLB.com’s Gregor Chisolm (links to Twitter). The veteran baseball executive commented upon a few matters of both near and long-term interest.
Most immediately, Shapiro made clear that the Jays haven’t tapped into all of their available 2019 payroll. Per Shapiro, “It’s just a question of where and when do these opportunities present themselves and, if we do bring in veteran players, how [sic] is that offset our ability to continue to foster and develop the younger core talent on the team?” It would be a bit of a surprise to see the Toronto organization make any significant expenditures the rest of the winter, given that the team has largely eschewed financial commitments this offseason, though it’s interesting to see an acknowledgement that there’s more funding available.
Broadly, the organization is preparing for a point — not too far in the future, it surely hopes — when it makes sense to ramp up spending. Per Shapiro, “there is a multi-year plan in place” regarding spending, with “an understanding of where we are now and an understanding of where we’re going to go” once the club is back “at the brink of contention.”
When and how that build-up will occur isn’t clear. But there should be ample room to work with when the time comes. The Jays opened each of the prior two campaigns with over $160MM in payroll commitments. The club sits in the $115MM range at present for 2019, with just over $30MM in total commitments past that point on its books.
There’ll be a time, Shapiro says, when “payroll will outpace our revenues.” The baseball operations department doesn’t need to stash cash now to make that possible, though. Shapiro says the organization doesn’t plot out specific future payroll levels and allow its ops unit to save funding space for the future. Rather, there’s “a mutual and common understanding of what the general plan looks like.”
Shapiro also discussed the revenue side. After generally defending the television rights-fee agreement between the Blue Jays and Sportsnet (also owned by Rogers Communications) and noting some differences between the Canadian and American TV markets, Shapiro said the bottom line is that there’s ample money to be made selling baseball in Toronto. “I don’t think there is any excuse or reason why we shouldn’t have among the best revenues when we’re the team that we need to be,” he said. “That’s already been demonstrated materially in the last few years.”
CalcetinesBlancos
Why did they trade Dwight Smith Jr. if they are looking to be cheap? This team always seems odd with the moves they make.
jaysfan1994
They needed room on the 40 man roster and he doesn’t play CF while having numerous corner outfield positions. Dwight Smith Jr is a decent offensive player but he doesn’t have a ton of pop and he’s not a great fielder.
its_happening
To add to 1994 – Dwight Smith wasn’t Atkins/Shapiro’s guy. Therefore they do not think highly of him. Based on Shapiro’s quotes, you are correct; letting guys like Dwight Smith play at the MLB level would seem inline with the rhetoric from Blue Jays management.
coldbeer
Wow.
Starvenger
And if we’re being honest, this is not that different across baseball, and many industries. If you get a new boss, you have sometimes to prove that you belong, that you can be “their guy”, even if you’ve been around for a while.
jdgoat
They have guys in McKinney, Alford, and it looks like Pompey higher on the depth chart who offer more skill and need spots. And that’s without factoring in Grichuk, Hernandez, and Pillar (who should be the next OF on the way out).
CalcetinesBlancos
All those guys (McKinney, Alford, Pompey) have mediocre at best MLB stats.
jdgoat
McKinney has shown more at the top level than Smith did, which wasn’t mediocre. And even if that’s true, so? They’re all incredibly small sample sizes. They’re all ahead of Smith on the depth chart. It certainly wasn’t a puzzling move.
CalcetinesBlancos
Yeah wow nevermind, I didn’t realize McKinney had a career .252 .318 .462 stat line. Can’t beat that lol.
rhymo
Like JD said, they offer more of a skill set. Dwight Smith would become a Ben Revere at best slaps the ball and run. Besides we got 500K in international money for him that could easily go towards signing a higher tier prospect on the international market. I would take my chances with Alford McKinney and Pompey rather than Smith and get a possible international prospect out of that deal.
jimmertee
Yes Calce, yes.
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jimmertee
Oh Please JD. Give it a rest. The real scouting on Pompey is that he is a pnch runner. He can’t hit at the MLB level, he can’t run routes. He is not more skilled that Dwight Smith Jr.
That brings us to Mckinney next. Great speed. Great Pop, can’t run routes very well and he can’t hit MLB level lefties. He is a platoon guy. Yeeesh.
Alford while I think he is the best outfield prospect the Jays have at the moment, he is not ready. He needs 2 more years in the minors. He is not more skilled at this point than Dwight Smith Jr unless you are talking defence.
jdgoat
Oh God not this guy
flippinbats79
Is someone actually trying to say that Dwight Smith Jr is more skilled than Dalton Pompey? Just wow.
its_happening
Are we really going to nitpick and debate two fringe major league OFs? Leave that crap in hockey where they debate 3rd liners.
CalcetinesBlancos
What has Dalton Pompey accomplished?
Also, this board is hilarious.
iloveatkinsandshapiro
Amazing right!
George
Pompey can play CF, while Smith jr. is a corner outfielder without pop. IMO, he will have to have a good Spring or he’s the next one to go. Both Pompey and Smith jr. are in their last year of team control, so neither fits well into their future plans.
Starvenger
That’s basically it. Jays needed to drop someone, felt that they should hang onto a guy that can play CF a bit longer, and thus Pompey stays, DSJ goes. Don’t think there’s too much else to it.
Down with OBP
Because he was out of options and they needed space on the 40-man roster.
And it’s Dwight Smith Jr….
todd76
Time to dissolve the Blue Jays just like MLB did with the Expos. This franchise is going nowhere fast.
jimmertee
I don’t think dissolving the Jays is necessary. Perhaps a retooling of the Mgmt team and an owner that is not silently telling the Blue Jays mgmt to put up a false narrative of competativeness when it is actually about money.
Starvenger
You do realize that the Expos still exist as the Washington Nationals, right?
But IIRC MLB did try to contract by dissolving the Expos (and Twins) but that never came to fruition.
George
For one thing, with Smith jr. off the 40 man and Buchholz on it, they are a better team.
Second, the international signing money, while it doesn’t sound like much, will allow them to sign a very good international prospect.
Third, they have a lot of very good outfielders ready to play this year, and more on the way in A/AA.
I find it interesting they kept Pompey, who seemed to have been bypassed. Now I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the team, while someone with options left is reassigned until things sort themselves out.
Troutmagnet
Wasn’t Pompey off to a great start last year until he suffered a concussion? Maybe they’d like to see what happens when he can play a full season before giving up?
jaysfan1994
Lot’s of talk and little to no action Shapiro. These fans supported the 2017 Jays who were in last place in the division all year until the last day of the season and lined Rogers pockets while the team tanked. They were first in attendance in the AL for a reason. Start focusing on developing the young guys at the major league level.
Release Morales and put Teoscar as the everyday DH, trade Pillar and trade Smoak. None of these guys should be on the roster given they’re not going to be an ample age going into the team’s contending years and are on expiring contracts.
I want to see Rowdy Tellez start 2019 in the majors as the starting 1B. I want to see Teoscar Hernandez stop focusing on fielding, something he cannot do by the routes he takes and focus on hitting.
its_happening
Morales is supposed to “mentor” Vlad. I agree with you; release Kendrys and let Teoscar DH. It would allow someone like Alford or McKinney at bats in LF.
I too want to see Tellez get regular at bats at 1B, and maybe have Guerrero play 1B with a lefty on the mound.
Unfortunately this “youth movement” is a bunch of bull fed to us from Rogers Sportsnet. The youth will have to wait a bit longer while Vlad is mentored by the guy that ruined his career on a walkoff grand slam and other vets with no future with the team.
VladJrHype
Teoscar isnt close to being good enough with the bat to be a DH.
its_happening
The Blue Jays aren’t close to winning either. Let him play and deal him to a team looking for a RH bat against lefties.
jaysfan1994
He’s a 114OPS+ player since becoming a Jay with 30+ homer power and can score from 1B on a double. He’s got value in that over a ton of DHs.
He ranked 10th in Statcast’s Brls/PA% meaning he makes elite contact when putting a ball in play. A team like the Jays can afford to give him plate appearances over a 36 year old DH who won’t get a major league deal if he’s released tomorrow.
ellisburks
You will get more out of Morales than you will Tellez. Tellez is not a MLB bat. Keep Morales and Smoak as you won’t get much in return for them and the Jays have enough dead money playing for other teams. Plus you can’t have an all youth team, if you are already paying them you may as well keep them for veteran presence.
jdgoat
Even if that was true about Tellez, which is hardly fact, you don’t write him off or not play him because you have Morales of all people. I’m not particularly sold on him becoming a middle of the order bat right now either. But to say he’s not an MLB bat right now is ridiculous. You need to give him a chance to fail after what’s he’s shown he can do.
And Smoak would bring back a pretty decent package. Obviously not a blue chip prospect but he’d definitely bring back a couple high upside pieces.
coldbeer
Just to be clear, you’re ripping ownership for “lining their pockets” and immediately propose they trade any vets left thus making the team much weaker, and likely losing more, and the budget thinner which in fact would fatten Rogers wallet more.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. And, like so many other blind Jays fans, stop blaming Shapiro for no reason whatsoever. You just threw his name in your misguided rant to grab attention. He is doing his job, and it’s nowhere near as bad as you and many others make it out to be.
George
Management has done everything they said they were going to do this year. They even realize that they aren’t going to make the playoffs and attendance will be down. Funny how people don’t listen.
Troutmagnet
Is it just me that prefers it when a team is supposed to be considered a wash or the underdog for the season, and somehow weasels out enough wins to be a moderate division threat? I’d rather watch a team like that than a club with unlimited resources that just purchases their playoff berth every year.
cptstupendous
The television deal is just like deals other teams have in place – all designed to reduce the team’s financial contributions to revenue sharing. Sadly the jays deal is far smaller than the comparable deals signed the same year. The league as a whole is being played by actions like these. These actions raise concerns from a stockholder perspective to the ethics of some media companies.
coldbeer
Rogers and Jays were one of the first ones to have such a television arrangement.
cptstupendous
Found a link that explains the Blue Jays and Rogers relationship decently well.
bluejaysnation.com/2018/04/16/more-hints-towards-a…
Is it me or is this somewhat the same thing Scott Boras was on about a couple months back?
coldbeer
I think Boras was complaining that because owners can someehat conceal true revenues and profits it allows them to mislead players, agents, the union on how much they can conceivably spend on payrolls. Rogers is very good at this as i believe the Jays revenues roll into their media division which also owns the tv rights. Rogers is publically traded on the tsx but isn’t required to disclose that level of detail regarding income to shareholders.
martras
This canned statement was taken directly from page 1 of the book titled “Maximize Profits, Minimize Expenses, Maintain Popularity” a how-to book for MLB owners looking to avoid spending money to compete, and the front office that helps.
solaris602
Authored by Shapiro himself – the master of nebulous business speak. Tribe fans endured his “say nothing that anyone can hold you to” speeches for years until all we heard was static when his mouth moved. Sorry that Jays fans are having to go through the Shapiro desert of meaninglessness.
jimmertee
Exactly Solaris. We cannot listen to anything Shapiro says, judge him by the actions and MLB level team decisions and performance.
dejota
Exactly 0 teams have a payroll that outpaces their revenues…don’t believe the lies MLB fans.
jdgoat
That is a pretty odd quote. What would that be for a team like the Bluejays? Assuming we’re talking about a contending year, their payroll would be something like 350-400 million? But these teams can turn profits into deficits with some crafty bookkeeping, so that comment probably shouldn’t be taken at face value aha.
coldbeer
Outpace is different than just a generic balance. You can spend more in 2 years in order to make more for the 5 following years. Thus, meaning they take a haircut short term to build a potential cash cow longer term. “Build it and they will come.”
martras
There are teams who have made major payroll ramp ups lately (like the Rockies). You’re right about the trend, though. Too many teams out there are turtling under the guise of building a core.
The Astros model was necessary for that team who had no MiLB system, little top MLB talent and a long history of being terrible. Having low payrolls was a function of having no talent.
What’s happening now are teams with assets, talent and good minor league systems are “rebuilding” Astros style instead of keeping their focus on being competitive. It’s gross.
thelastonetodie
I must be blind because it’s been a clear youth movement.. very clear, with one year contracts for vets that can be traded at the deadline on value deals… smith jr is redundant on their roster and Smoak, morales and pillar likely won’t finish the year as blue jays… seems like the logical movement of a (non-full teardown rebuild to me
its_happening
It’s only a clear youth movement when the youth play in Toronto. Blue Jays are taking their time (being patient) with it. They are just in the set-up stage.
Vandals Took The Handles
I don’t care for Shapiro, but……
When AA broke the budget in 2015 and took on high-salaried declining veterans in return for prospects (he emptied much of the farm system out), it created a lot of excitement in Toronto that season. Ownership OK’ed the extra money. But the team fell short of the WS. To upgrade and compete in 2016, they would have had to sign even more high-priced free agents as they had few prospects to trade, and no one was going to give them a fair return for their over-priced veterans.
Shapiro inherited this mess, and went about trying to slowly rebuild the farm system and get the below value contracts off the books. Even this off-season he had to eat Tulo’s outrageous contract to give playing time to youngsters that might actually blossom into decent Blue Jay players.
Earlier in the off-season the Jays GM went public and stated he hoped they could compete in 2021. That is realistic.
1. The Jays could have signed the top 3 free agents this off-season, and even with the Red Sox, Yankees, and Rays suffering multiple major injuries, it’s doubtful the Jays could beat out a one of those teams in 2019.
2. Investors take a risk and put their money into a business in hopes it will make a larger profit then if they put that same capital into a fixed-asset vehicle with a guaranteed profit. They take on risk, liability, headaches; and have to employ an army of high-priced lawyers, advisers, financial people, and even psychiatrists along with other professionals in order to deal with laws, unions, agents, and agreements in what has turned into as big a hairball as the US medical industry.
coldbeer
You can’t just rush all of your prospects to MLB and expect perfect results. Guys develop at different paces and absolutely need time at different levels to grow into all around PROFESSIONAL ball players.
its_happening
I never said they had to rush the prospects. Let’s just stop calling this a “youth movement” when it hasn’t really begun. It starts when you have more 1st and 2nd year players than vets in the starting 9. They are a year away from that.
turner9
Lf and RF will not be vets
3rd and SS will not be vets
C is not a vet
2/5 of the SP aren’t vets
The vets at CF 1b 2b and DH will be on the way out by July 31st
Stro and Sanchez are border line vets too
Sure seems like a youth movement to me
its_happening
Turner….
Incorrect about LF and RF. Neither Teoscar or Grichuk are young or part of the future. In fact, one of them or both should be traded if they play well in the first half.
Freddy Galvis is a veteran and will play SS. Brandon Drury will most likely start at 3B and has been around for a few years. Again, both aren’t part of the future.
So we have two relatively youthful players in Jansen and Gurriel. Zero players under the age of 24.
Sanchez, Stroman, Shoemaker, Clay – 4 of the 5 are vets and Richard could make 5.
The youth movement has not started yet. If this looks like the youth movement to you I suggest seeing if your employer provides vision coverage with your benefits.
turner9
Yes. My employer has a great benefit package, thank you for your concern.
Grichick and Teoscar are hardly “vets” I put Sanchez and Stro in the borderline vet category but I dont think Grichuk and certainly not Teoscar fit that distinction
Galvez is going to get some SS play but Guerriel is the incumbant currently and Bichette likely next year.
We both know that A. The starting rotation will experience an injury or two and B. Shoe and Clay are most likely gone by July 31st
In reality the only vets secured a roster spot are Galvez Smoak Morales and Pillar
3 of whom will likely not finish the year
You cannot be void of vets, especially to start a year.
So no I dont agree that this team is old or full of vets.
It’s a youth movement
its_happening
Hard to have a youth movement without actual youth. It starts Aug 1. You stated who’s gone by July 31, and hopefully more will be unloaded. Until then, the Blue Jays are not in the midst of a youth movement. Building phase, barely started.
Randal and Teoscar are around the same age as Sanchez and Stroman. Don’t straddle the line, pick one or the other. They are not part of the youth movement. Therefore, they’re part of the vets category.
turner9
I didnt straddle any line, I said clearly that Stro and Sanchez are border line vets and in my opinion dont hold the vet title. Stro born in 91 @ 27 years of age and Sanchez born in 92 at 26 years of age.
Neither could retire today and gain a coaching job. They both still have plenty to learn.
In my opinion a vet is someone who’s done it and seen it all, they can impart their wisdom on younger less experienced players.
Grichuk is a 91er and has the most experience of the 4 were talking about, but he couldn’t impart much wisdom on a McKinney or Alford.
Teoscar is a 92er like Sanchez and has barely a full season under his belt, what makes you classify him in the vet category? His age of 27?
Julian merryweather is also born in 91. Is he a vet? I think we can both agree no.
In my opinion, the youth movement started last year with no Bautista. It continued this year with the trade of Martin and the release of Tulo.
The trend is to get younger while still keeping a few older faces around to mentor the “kids”
It’s all a matter of perception. I view someone born in the 90s as youthful.
I also think experience is key in being a vet.
Even if a late blooming 30 y/o makes a roster. He’d be far from a vet.
Teoscar is young and inexperienced
Sanchez is young and inexperienced
Grichuk is young and somewhat experienced
Stroman is young and somewhat experienced
I just dont view that as veteran.
its_happening
They are not part of the youth movement or the future.
The End.
turner9
Epilogue
That is your opinion.
Not Shared by all!
It’s nice to have a spirited conversation about the Jays tho!!
nutbunnies
How many team execs have had to explain with fingers crossed about how little money they have this offseason? 8? 12?
holecamels35
Shapiro comes from the Indians school of thought, that Neal Huntington also emulates. Little money spending and tons of excuses. I get that Toronto needs to rebuild but they should have signed a few vets who can help and be flipped at the deadline.
sufferforsnakes
Yet the Indians continue to win. So glad Shapiro is no longer with the Tribe organization. He was the problem. Now he’s Toronto’s problem.
coldbeer
But you enjoy the winner you have now that he built? His fingerprints are all over the current Cleveland team.
holecamels35
Their division is flat out trash, and while they have a great rotation and have mostly drafted well, they haven’t won any titles, yet Huntington and other GM’s still worship them, just like Beane.
cptstupendous
Love bashing Shapiro – don’t get me wrong – but he’s not exactly pinching he pennies when the Jays unload $81 million in one season on their high performance department.
Shapiro is not cheap, he is efficient and ahead of the curve. Ugggh can we please go back to hating on Shapiro – I don’t like defending him.
Starvenger
Reading the comments,, I’m not sure people have ever stopped.
jimmertee
I’m all for the scence department. But this $81 m figure is fiction. Don’t beleive anything SHapiro says.
Do you know why Sanchez is doing so well this spring? Answer: He dumped using the Blue Jays medical people and coaches. The medical people had his finger issues diagnosed all wrong as I indicated the past two years over and over.
Sanchez went to a surgeon outside of the Blue Jays staff, plus he had coaches outside of the Blue Jays staff help rebuild his delivery. The Blue Jays coaches messed with his delviery so much that it was having terrible results.
So much for $81 M. That’s the real story.
kelticknotz
I have to believe that about the medical staff. Josh Donaldson said he followed their instructions and it caused him no miss a season. He went on his own program and Atlanta seems to be very happy with him.
mark0817
I am one of the few who has the unpopular opinion that the brass are doing a great job with the jays with the exception of a couple of moves (Tulo release, Morales signing). It makes sense from a club standpoint to hold Vlad in the minors to gain an extra year of control over a potential superstar, it makes sense to sign the vets to one year deals in hopes to trade for young prospects at the deadline, it makes sense to not blow up the payroll on players when they are not ready to compete until they find out what they have in the youngsters then address and spend on the areas of need. As I see it they are set up pretty nicely with regards to position players and now they need to focus on the bullpen and starting pitchers, I’m not a fan of either stroman or Sanchez and wouldn’t be shocked to see them finish this season wearing a different uniform if they regain some trade value from improved production. Thoughts?
jdgoat
I think the Jays have the least intelligent fan base in the league. Or at least a lot more casuals than others. Because it is embarrassing sometimes. All the hate that is directed at Shapiro and Atkins makes no sense. This is where this team was heading. It was inevitable. It didn’t matter if it was Cashman, or Jeter, or Stearns, or anybody taking over. This was going to happen. Yet those same Jays fans who dislike Shatkins are the ones who love and praise AA, who coincidently they hated him his entire tenure til 2015.
SargentDownvote
<———— Jays fan, baby!
Shapiro with his 10 year plan for Blue Jay dominance eh. The only sure-thing in his plan is that he is running it eh. Zero confidence in this guy eh.
Hey, that Vlad Jr.'s body is shaped like a supersized Kirby Puckett eh.
BlueJayFan1515
I don’t hate Shatkins, eh. I think that the front office should likely just go full-blown rebuild, and I certainly could see at least some decline coming from 2016, eh. I wasn’t expecting the 17 team to be so brutal, but every core eventually ages and needs to be recycled, eh. I think that lumping all fans into a group and calling them unintelligent is a little dumb, eh.
jdgoat
Just as a whole, there are so many people who don’t know what they’re talking about in the fan base. It’s the people who have a breakdown because Atkins says Guerrero isn’t ready. What’s he going to say? He’s our best bat but we’re sending him down for three weeks? Like quit the faux outrage, we get that you don’t understand the situation.
BlueJayFan1515
You have no idea how happy I am that Vlad injured himself and I don’t have to listen to his BS and tell keep reminding myself it’s for the greater good.
tmlmikey
I was hoping the Jays would spend some of their “extra 2019 money” on some of the veterans still out there that would have value. Keuchel and Kimbrel would be perfect examples. Overpay them now on short-ish term deals to flip them later. Essentially buying prospects.
rhymo
Mark, you may be one of the smarter guys on here. Not many understand what they are doing and don’t have patience to see a team lose more games than win. I find joy watching young players find their strides and play to their potential it excites me rather than other fans who want to see veterans like Pillar who yes makes some plays in the field but you know what you are getting out of him at the plate. Many don’t understand what they are trying to achieve here. JD, I 100% agree with you some of the fan base is delusional and are just watching baseball because it’s the offseason for hockey. Some of us that really do love the game understand the finer aspects.
its_happening
Mark’s statement was fine. I like some of the moves being made, don’t like others. Atkins and Shapiro were at a disadvantage from the beginning because A) Media loved AA, and B) Media built a false narrative about AA, and the fans bought it. AA had his good moments and a lot of bad.
Thing I do like about this regime is they finally have position players making an impact in the minors where they aren’t overage players dominating 18-19 year olds in low A. All Anthopoulos did was draft pitchers and catchers, and sometimes he’d sign one of them.
However, I do not have faith in this regime to take this team to the next level. These guys are a hybrid of Anthopoulos and Ricciardi, the latter being one of the worst General Managers in recent time. Atkins proved he can scout and develop. Being a General Manager is a much different story. Certain moves and direction make me skeptical because of what I’ve seen as a Jays fan the last 25 years. History has a funny way of curbing expectations.
rodster
How about taking that extra cash and buy Shapiro out and send him back to Cleveland where he belongs.
coldbeer
So witty. And original. Lol. Armchair CEO!!!
Starvenger
Look, it’s ok to dislike Shapiro and all, but noone deserves that fate.
coldbeer
Lets not forget Shapiro was tasked with upgrading an entire organization. Ownership asked him for something that was practically impossible to produce at the time: continue to contend for the postseason with aging stars, stay within a large but controlled budget, rebuild the farm system by any means possible, renovate and upgrade the Skydome, completely retrofit and improve the spring training facilities (or relocate)…and most importantly…keep the fans happy happy happy (such a fickle bunch).
Now, he’s had 4 years on the job and has made his plans clear and we can see the path the entire org is on. But it takes time. So, yes, a 5-7 year overhaul seems like a long time but tell me how many other execs in baseball could do it any better or faster? I’ll wait…
RichW 2
What 4 years? Let’s count 2016-17-18. 2019 hasn’t happened yet.
coldbeer
My mistake. Thanks for catching that tid bit because THAT was the underlying point i was making. 🙂
cptstupendous
Yup! Shapiro was tasked with so much outside of baseball ops. He’s done a heck of a job considering the Jays are doing a 5-7 year rebuild and the fans, like you said, are hating on him.
jimmertee
What Shapiro is really saying is that we are going to have a low budget becuase the Rogers CEO ordered it because that is his MO. Debt reduction while holding Rogers profits and current dividend levels is his primary goal.
Rogers is considering selling the Jays and thus IS making the Jays look good on paper, and reducing contract obligations to ZERO. Make no mistake about it, everything that Shapiro says is crap. The goal here is money and only money.
Anyone with a brain could see that the Jays were going no where in 2017, 2018. It was about maintianing the illusion of winning to keep people in the seats for money’s sake. To heck with a real needed and thorough tear down back then.
As far as his “plan”, it is nonsense. It doesn’t take 5 years to build a winner. For those that don;t beleive look at Dombrowki, Cashman or Stearns and what they can do in 2 years. the evidence is there or all to see it can be done. Don’t drink the “normal rebuilding process” koolaid that comes from Shapiro’s mouth of stupid fans. It doesn’t have to “take time”
Look at the Cleveland Shapiro days, from 2002 to 2014, ZERO WS appearances. In fact Clevleand only got a sniff inside the playoffs. Then the current regime had to come in a clean up his Bourne, Swisher etc mess. All Shapiro did was develop a few prospects in Cleveland. Make no mistake, this is at least a 10 year plan with him at the helm.
coldbeer
Debt reduction? They bought the Dome and the team for peanuts. They have the fine folks in Dunedin footing a huge chunk of the bill to upgrade Bobby Mattick. There is no debt lol
jimmertee
Rogers debt reduction strategies which include no longterm big AAV MLB deals and getting out of any that they are already agreed to, via buyout or expiry.
cptstupendous
Jimmertee – $81 million invested in a High Performance Department
Your point is solid! I find that many people seem to forget about this expenditure when it easily is the most important move the team has made during his tenure. It’s the long-term strategy for success.
coldbeer
Please look up the term “debt reduction”. You will see it doesn’t apply here. I think you mean cutting overhead and maximizing profit. However, my response to that is cutting overhead (veteran players) likely equates to losing which means less viewership and lower ticket sales. That means less profit. So, I don’t agree with you on this.
mark0817
Jimmer, why such disdain for the jays brass? In your “scout” opinion can you give one example of something you believe is a positive move by this club?
turner9
I’m really starting to feel he legitimately was a scout, likely for the Jays.
He was likely summarily dismissed and carries a grudge.
Just my opinion. It’s the only way to explain the constant negativity bandied about
jimmertee
Turner, not for the Jays. 🙂
jimmertee
Hey Mark, there are lots of good things to look at for the Jays. My view is wanting to win and win fast not “build” hence my perspective.
My disdain for the Jays brass arises out of two ways of doing business to build a winner at the MLB level, One is the build a farm system, take 10 years and maybe there will be a winner. That is Shapiro & friends. The other is big budget, sell the farm except a few chosen pieces to acquire the players needed and don’t take too long about doing it. That is Cashman and Dombrowski.
The other disdain is the Jays Mgmt constantly lying to the fans about being competative or Shapiro’s speaking blurbs about nothing. It’s sickening.
Back to the positive, I am looking forward to watching the kids grow up like Jansen, Gurriel Jr,, and Vlad Jr. I think Sanchez is going to have a great year. S Reid Foley has chance to be good too, although right now he is a #4 because he doesn’t know where the ball is going when it leaves his hand, If someone can help him sort it out, he can be a good starter. I think hiring of a new skipper and some coaches is a good move. It will help the kids develop more.
basquiat
Shapiro’s primary talent is making money for the owner. Same in Cleveland. He executes on that. His other function is to sell that BS to the media and the fans. That he doesn’t do as well. His act wears thin as any Tribe fan will tell you.
coldbeer
So when he left Cleveland how big of a mess did he leave? Wait, I remember…they made the postseason in his final year and haven’t missed since.
its_happening
Stop re-writing history. Shapiro relinquished the baseball operations powers to Antonetti after 2009. Yeah he had some input, but his focus was on the outside. Similar to what he’s doing now with the revamping of Dunedin and the Dome. And had Justin Masterson signed the extension Shapiro and company wanted, the total postseason appearances probably remain at zero.
Shapiro’s run wasn’t bad in Cleveland. He’s just not, and wasn’t, the savior you’re making him out to be.
Dan_Oz
Well Canada did get all that internet money
kelticknotz
Shapiro has a career in politics. I read his interview three times because I thought maybe I had missed something, but no I didn’t he went on and on on all those topics and said absolutely nothing that made any sense other then I don’t think they have the slightest idea where they are going or when they will get there.
The ultimate answer is the team is going nowhere and when will they get there NEVER as long as Shapiro and Atkins are driving the bus.
wilcfc
I’ve never seen such a robust chat board about the Blue Jays. This is good that people are talking about the team.