March 28: Knebel has received opinions from three doctors and is weighing whether to undergo surgery or attempt a rest and rehab approach, per Todd Rosiak and Haudricourt. He’ll make a decision tomorrow.
March 21, 8:09pm: GM David Stearns says the team still isn’t sure how to label the damage to Knebel’s UCL, as Haudricourt tweets. But the organization “know[s] it’s damaged to some extent.”
6:52pm: Knebel has an injury to his ulnar collateral ligament, Counsell told reporters this evening. (Via Todd Rosiak of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel; links to Twitter.) That’s certainly worrying at first glance, though it’s said not to be a complete tear of the ligament. It’s also not a new injury, though it’s not clear whether additional damage may have been incurred.
At the moment, it’s not known whether the malady will require surgery and/or end Knebel’s season before it begins. He’s slated to receive a second opinion.
12:45pm: Brewers closer Corey Knebel will have his right elbow examined today, manager Craig Counsell revealed to reporters (Twitter link via Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel). The Athletic’s Robert Murray had previously written that he was taking a step back from throwing due to elbow discomfort. Counsell acknowledged that there is some cause for concern.
The Knebel injury makes it all the more apparent why Milwaukee has recently been in contact with Craig Kimbrel to discuss a potential fit. It was already known that Jeremy Jeffress would open the season on the injured list — though president of baseball operations David Stearns said this week that Jeffress could be back by mid or late April. It now seems likely that Knebel will join him there to begin the year.
Knebel, Jeffress and Josh Hader combined for much of the regular season to form an overpowering bullpen trio. Each of the three posted K/9 marks of 10.5 or better, while Hader and Jeffress checked in with ERAs south of 2.50. Knebel’s ERA wasn’t quite as eye-popping, thanks largely to a late August slump, but he didn’t allow a run over his final 16 1/3 innings of the regular season and posted a ridiculous 33-to-3 K/BB ratio along the way. On the season, he averaged 14.3 strikeouts per nine innings pitched.
There’s no indication that Jeffress’ shoulder issue is a long-term concern, but the situation surrounding Knebel, to this point, is more ominous (or at least more vague). If the Brewers do ultimately turn to Kimbrel in light of the bullpen issues that have cropped up this spring, they’d have to part with their fourth-round draft selection due to the fact that Kimbrel rejected a qualifying offer from the Red Sox. The Brewers already forfeited their third-round pick to sign Yasmani Grandal, and their current payroll projects at a franchise-record $127.5MM.
Rick Wilkins
Yikes. I can’t recall the last time a pitcher went for an elbow exam, that didn’t precede the announcement that TJ was next. Best of luck to Knebel from Cubs Nation.
ballnglove
Yeah, Tommy John would be a huge blow for the brewers. Unlike many of the brewers fans who post here, I really like the Cubs players. I don’t root for them, but they’re fun to watch play. Thanks for the nice comment!
jleve618
I like the cubs players, but I feel they can be crybabys sometimes. I guess you can say that about all teams, but I notice it alot with them, and I have no stake in the central.
reflect
I feel the same way about the Cubs and I’m a Mets fan. They are the whiniest team in baseball.
louwhitakerisahofer
Really? In all of baseball? Watch a Red Sox game…
Ry.the.Stunner
Please provide evidence of their “whininess” that doesn’t include Bryant’s statements on service time manipulation, which has affected many players who have spoken out about it.
Chris 75
Anytime Jon Lester pitches
heater
Yeah that was definitely whining from Bryant. Poor kid…….
P N Protocol
I haaaate the service time manipulation. I don’t remember seeing Bryant’s comments on this, but I wouldn’t call talking about this issue whining.
todd76
Craig Kimbrel here he comes.
mikeyst13
Eh, It’s pretty common for a guy to have an elbow exam and not have serious damage. Its when you hear the words “second opinion” that TJ is imminent.
Ejemp2006
Tanaka has pitched for years with partial UCL tear. It will depend where tear occurred and severity of tear, before determination for continue pitch or get surgery.
Brewers probably go get Wilson now and/or Kimbrel. Bullpen strongness is key to their season.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
I remember when his knee buckled it was it Wrigley north. I hate to see anyone get hurt. And I hate the brewers and their fake fans.
Dodgethis
Fake fans? Get over yourself.
thomps07
Great……
Fizzzay
I think this site uses the phase, “eye-popping” way too much.
nashvillecardsfan
It’s pretty eye-popping how often that phrase is used.
weaselpuppy
Eye-Popping is the next Breaking News or Bombshell Report…
Hype sucks.
sportznut1000
hahahaha i never paid too much attention to that but now that you mention it, i have seen it a lot this off season
gorav114
I’ve never noticed that but now my eyes are popped open to it.
canocorn
Traffic jams near Elsinore, CA as tens of thousands flock there to see the wild poppies in bloom after recent rains.
(… in keeping with ‘eye-popping’ theme)
brewcrewbernie
Even Glenn from The Walking Dead thinks this is too much eye popping!
Monkey’s Uncle
The use of “eye-popping” does not draw rave reviews.
nymetsking
Ay papi!
P N Protocol
Give the man a break. It’s Opening Day, and he’s probably as hyped as we are.
Dodgethis
But I thought eye popping was receiving rave reviews?
Ry.the.Stunner
Ruh-Roh.
Yankeepatriot
Anytime the words pitcher and elbow discomfort are in the same sentence it is most concerning 🙁
Now those Kimbrel brewers rumors will heat up more. Considering that the brew crew’s starting rotation isn’t really that good at all any loss to their own is huge. As the 14-15 royals showed you can’t bullpen every single game for long
Dodgethis
Bochy might argue.
GarryHarris
Shane Greene anyone?
nymetsking
eww.
Ejemp2006
Greene and Castellanos for Thames and Corey Ray?
hockeyjohn
Where would Detroit play Thames? Where would the Brewers play Castellanos with their outfield? Also Greene is not very good.
Perksy
So question is do I keep Jeffries in my fantasy ball keeper league? Or let him go? If they sign Kimbrell the decision is made for me. But I have until Sunday to decide.
macstruts
What Round? What Cost? Who are your other choices? Is it a lifetime keeper league.?
Anyway, Hard to believe anyone is chomping at the bit to keep a 31 year old RP with a hurt shoulder,
It all depends on the price. You must have a better choice.
leftcoaster
“Champing” actually.
retire21
Chomping
dnr7
Most certainly, champing
barkinghumans77
I’d let him go. Plus he’s hurt and bullpen arms aren’t hard to find. IDK how many you get to keep but I would rather not use a spot on him.
Ry.the.Stunner
I guess it depends on your league configuration, but I probably wouldn’t have kept Jeffress even if he was healthy. I even dropped Hader instead of keeping him. For me, I usually wouldn’t keep any sort of reliever unless they were an elite or top tier closer.
Mikegna
Serious?
Talking serious to Kimbrel three says before they announce a Knebrel season ending porktential Injury?
Knebrel gon for season
Jedferies will be insane role if not improved
Kimbrel May be signed. But Jeffress status can only go up.
mike127
Boy it depends on your rules by round etc—-but if you don’t have 15-20 options better than Jeffress you probably should be looking forward to the fantasy football season already.
Brewers39
Gregg Jeffries retired years ago. I definitely wouldn’t keep him on your fantasy team, lol.
macstruts
Which explains Kimbrell. Relief pitching and pitching so fleeting. I’m not a big fan of paying big bucks for an RP, but if ever there was a time, this is it.
frankchitown
Their bullpen threw a lot of innings last year and their starters weren’t good enough to pick up the slack. They have done nothing to correct that and now those innings are catching up with their relievers. Kimbrell could help that, but starter seems more urgent to me.
gorav114
Especially when it looks like Keuchel may actually be cheaper. I think Keuchel would be a much better fit and it’s a no brainer if he is in fact less expensive.
jmag043
Their starters had the 11th best ERA In the MLB last year…
mlb1225
That’s still not great.
thomps07
Better than most though…
Steven Juris
They also went 5 innings.
Frank_Stallone1
Knebel had 55 MLB innings last year.
Shawnpe
Had some MiLB innings too but, in no way was he over used. Neither was Jeffress.
baseballpun
You can never get enough pitching. It’s why I think the Cards have the edge in what will be an extremely tight race. Their opening day rotation will be Mikolas, Flaherty, Wacha, Wainwright and Hudson, with an entire second rotation possibly available in the event of injury or ineffectiveness with Martinez, Reyes, Gant, Gomber and Poncedeleon.
smooveb330
Except Mikolas is due for significant regression, Wainwright looks like he’s done, and Wacha, Martinez, and Reyes all have significant injury concerns. If the young guys come through, the rotation could still be pretty good, but you could say the same thing about the Brewers with Burnes/Woodruff/Peralta.
baseballpun
Yeah and if any of those 4 have issues I named 6 other guys who have been effective at the big league level already. That’s what depth is.
mike127
The other guys you named are Martinez who is hurt and a handful of others that totaled about 225 innings last year—-I’m not buying that this is enough of a sample size to say “have been productive at the big league level”. Let’s say that Mikolas doesn’t regress—-and Flaherty is as good as he looks, you are still six or seven names short of a solid AND reliable 3, 4, 5. It’s great to have a pile of 7s and 8s but you need a 4 and 5 first.
Bunselpower
Did you already forget about the names Wacha, Reyes, Hudson? Those are #3’s in our rotation and would be higher than that on many teams. Don’t make the mistake of making #7’s and #8’s on the Cardinals as #7’s and #8’s on the Tigers or Padres.
You can disagree with a lot of things, but disagreeing that the Cardinals have a lot of pitching depth is just ignorant. Yeah, if everyone gets injured, of course there are problems, but pretending like a doomsday scenario is evident of a lack of depth is not too smart.
Shawnpe
Why is Mikolas “due for significant regression”? Did he get lucky for an entire season?
jbigz12
Mikolas isn’t a sub 3 ERA pitcher but he was good. I wouldn’t say he’s in for serious regression but I think he settles in as a guy somewhere in the lower to mid 3’s.
drewm
nooooooooVader.jpg
nymetsking
UsetheforceLuke.exe
PiratesFan1981
It looks like Brewers are going in panic mode if they are looking at Kimbrel. I know it’s dumpster diving, but the next week, teams will be making cuts and it includes plenty of pitchers. Maybe they could find a decent arm through that? Kimbrel is on a decline and think you could pick up a pitcher when these waivers and releases happens. It my not be a name brand like Kimbrel, but a pitcher you may get, could do just as well as Kimbrel in Kimbrel current decline.
From the Pirates nation, we wish Knebel the best and a speedy recovery. Good pitcher and a shame arm issues pop up for most pitchers these days. I just hope it isn’t going to be a Tommy John surgery.
drewm
Ok, this should be entertaining. Explain Kimbrel’s “decline”.
nymetsking
His “decline” is 150x better than any reliever that gets cut this week.
Cam
Discussion around Kimbrel’s decline from his other-worldly production, is everywhere. Take a look around.
whyhayzee
Kimbrel blew the World Series game 7 in 2001 and the playoff games 4 and 5 in 2004. But he still got unanimous HOF election. That’s his decline.
Scrap1ron
The Brewers are in win now mode, better go get Kimbrel.
Danthemilwfan
Sign kimbrel Immediately
Gocubsgo1986
It’s like you can’t expect your bullpen to carry you. Who would have thought?
Frank_Stallone1
Who was expecting that? You are acting as if the Brewers didn’t have a top 5 defense and a decent offense, which should be even better this year.
SargentDownvote
Tommy John wants to know when this exam is happening so he can make an appearance.
SFGiantsGallore
LMAO! Thanks for the laugh
Oxford Karma
He’d be super busy if he made a cameo at all TJ surgery. It could be a show on E!
Koamalu
I think we now know why the Brewers have been talking to Kimbrel.
Bosoxfan9
As a sox fan…Losing ck is going to sting…BUT he was anything but CLEAN pitching last year.
nymetsking
No, it’s Braun who doesn’t play CLEAN.
2id
Jeez let it go. Every team in MLB has had a player on the roster, current or past, that has used PEDs. Mike Piazza himself admitted that he used PEDs. Mo Vaughn used PEDs. That’s just two off the top of my head that played for the Mets.
Ry.the.Stunner
Most of those players didn’t lie about it and get someone fired because of said lie.
pdxbrewcrew
If you don’t think “I don’t know where it came from” or “it must have been in a supplement I took” isn’t a lie, you’re incredibly naive.
retire21
Braun however was the only one to go down the anti-Semite road.
The scummiest of scumbags.
Thuggababyy
Jennry Mejia
Thuggababyy
3 times hahahah
Oxford Karma
When did piazza admit this?
Oxford Karma
He took andro when it was permitted.
Shawnpe
Which CK? There are two of them in this article?
reflect
Louis
canocorn
Time to hire ‘Doc’ Kimbrel.
leftcoaster
Brewers are paying for being cute with their pitching in 2018.
mikeyst13
He had 55.1 IP last year. (56.1 if you count the inning in AAA on a rehab start). This isn’t about last years usage for him.
Shawnpe
No. Wrong.
pdxbrewcrew
Oh no! We suck again!
Sports
Cue Kimbrel signing.
PacificBlue
Best to get Kimbrel⚾️
TJECK109
Kuechel?
Karlander
Even if it’s just a slight tear that needs to heal without surgery he would be out of 2 months minimum. This is bad news for Milwaukee, especially considering how awesome he pitched last year.
Frank_Stallone1
He was demoted to AAA last year. Do you even follow the Brewers?
2id
And came back for the last month of the season and pitched lights out. Do you even follow the Brewers?
Begamin
I have Hader on my fantasy squad. Does this put him in line for saves even if they get Kimbrel?
Ry.the.Stunner
If they get Kimbrel, probably not. Even without Kimbrel, it’ll probably still be Jeffress (after he returns) in the long run.
bush1
Harder is so much more valuable to the Brewers in his role last year, putting out fires, and dominating the middle of the opponents order at important times then Closing. I doubt he’s a full time closer. I’d imagine he’ll be in line for more chances though.
bush1
*Hader
asdfgh
Hey Brew Crew,
I told you so, what made you think your bullpen and overuse of pitchers last season would make you invincible from the evidence when pitchers are used like the brewers did and my cardinals did under Matheny arms start having issues. Also it’s not like the FO ddn’t suspect this as they are looking into Kimbrel who is definitely looking like the Holland of this year as he will surely not want to be in the minors so long. This cardinals fan will keep on shaking my head each time I hear the arrogance that you are the best team, that was so last season, got to do it all over again and I think you have also not truly taken in to account how many wins you got from STL due to Matheny’s management welcome to the Cardinals you will really hate this year. Looking like 5 more with Goldy sticking around!!!
Shawnpe
You know Knebel was not, by any definition of the word, overused? Right?
darenh
I have a feeling things like Facts, Data and Evidence mean very little to people like this.
Shawnpe
Take a look at innings pitched last season by all other top RP is all of baseball. Brewers use of all three of their guys are right in line with all of them. Fact!!
Grab any stat database and look for yourself.
(Meant for other poster, sorry )edited
gregstruth89
Thank god you had the foresight to have figured this all out. Did you see the post above stating that he only threw 56 innings last year? Take your ball and go home. Comparing him to Greg Holland?
nashvillecardsfan
As a cardinals fan, you embarrass me
bush1
I’m a Cubs fan and this ridiculous post even annoyed me.
bush1
The thing I really hate is how this guy is getting his rocks off on the Brewers losing an important guy for “overuse” which isn’t even remotely true with Knebel. Get a life dude.
bobtillman
Kimbrell’s a real possibility, but the Crew just might try to salvage a Melancon, or somebody like him, with the other team picking up most of the financial tab. Sterns is an inventive guy.
bush1
That makes a lot of sense too. By all accounts the Brewers are already pretty far over what they’re looking to commit to 2019 after Grandal. So doing anything won’t be easy.
Emerson83
Knimbrel
desertbull
Kimbrel’s price just doubled
carlote
damn it, done for the season already
echozulu88
Hello? Mr. Kimbrel? ….yes that’s a blank check we sent you. Please, whatever amount.
lord_xenu
Reunion with Will Smith, perhaps? Package him with Bumgarner and get it done.
dennymagnet
I could see the reunion, will smith & madbomb for Domingo Santana &Thames…oh wait
Damn we need some pop!
Domingo is a hot commodity in my humble opinion, too bad he ended up in Seattle.
Bunselpower
Hate to see the entertaining NL Central race be decided by injuries. I would love to see all the teams healthy and competing at the highest level possible, but I know that’s not going to happen (Heck, the Cards are already short Martinez, who is a good pitcher despite his head). Hopefully Knebel comes back OK and hopefully the Brewers don’t go out and sign Kimbrel. to overcorrect for this. Sometimes there aren’t options but I would hate to see them close off any chance of competition later on with a bad deal now.
MetsFanaticDanny
I have an auction draft tomorrow and Knebel was one of my Keepers at $10. I notified my Commissioner this morning regarding the injury and he allowed me to drop him before the draft.
I already have Hader as one of my Keepers AMD hoping that Kimbrel signs today so I can target him to create the league’s best late innings handcuff.
Kimbrel for 5 yrs, $90 million. Get it done Milwaukee.
jbigz12
Lmao Kimbrel has 0 chance to see 90 million dollars. He’ll be lucky to see 50 at this point in time.
reflect
How much does the surgery weigh?
nymetsking
The same as a duck!
lowtalker1
No pitcher has escaped the knife with this outcome and succeeded
jbigz12
Tanaka says hello.
Cat Mando
Nolan Ryan tore his UCL near the end of the 86 season. Dr. Jobe told him he should have TJS. Ryan was 40 and didn’t want to. Turns out the scar tissue etc. held his UCL together for 7 more years.
It’s a rarity, granted, but you can’t say “No pitcher”.
jbigz12
I’m almost positive Nolan Ryan was made of something other human beings aren’t. But Tanaka has evaded TJ thus far. Most haven’t been so lucky and the odds are heavily slanted against him.
DarkSide830
whenever TJ is an option, it always seems like the best one. trying simply rest rarely is a longterm fix.
Danthemilwfan
Just do it. We’ll be excited to have you back next year and brewers sign Kimbrel right away. Not ideal but life moves on unfortunately
yankista
Dammm!!! I’m not an Indians fan…. but…. dammm!! That’s no fear !! Oh well…. that’s the life…
stan lee the manly
If I was the Brewers, I would be pushing him to do it as much as I could. The sooner he does, the sooner he’s back on the mound pitching, rest and rehab is almost always a very short, temporary solution
seth3120
Yeah I agree and they usually aren’t nearly as effective if they can even do it. Tough blow for him and the Brewers. I’ve been critical of them not addressing the rotation but they did have a strong pen to pick the starters up. That pen just lost its anchor. Huge blow. They can’t afford to blow up the farm or totally overpay kimbrel or kuechel but they have to do something substantial here I think. If their asking price has dropped they may need to get involved or pull from the farm and give up something of value to get value. If he’s out the whole year I don’t see them absorbing that kind of blow
jbigz12
They should call the orioles for Mychal Givens if they won’t spend for Kimbrel. Givens isn’t Kimbrel by any means but he’s cheap and he’ll only cost a prospect. We’re certainly a team who doesn’t need to wait til the deadline to sell off as well. They could potentially look at Bleier as another piece if they wanted a package. I suppose the Chisox would be open to dealing colome as well.