THURSDAY: The Phillies are “gaining momentum” in their pursuit of Realmuto, according to MLB.com’s Jon Morosi. Precisely what that means isn’t clear, but it seems the sides have reason to believe they could line up on a swap.
Mish tweets that he expects a deal to occur today, though he does not specify that Realmuto will necessarily be sent to the Phils.
WEDNESDAY, 4:00pm: Scott Lauber of the Philadelphia Daily News also hears that the Marlins’ preference is to find a deal for Realmuto in the very near future (Twitter link). Like Frisaro, he notes that Sanchez is viewed by the Marlins as a key piece in the deal, adding that young catcher Jorge Alfaro would need to be included in the swap as well.
1:46pm: The Marlins will demand top pitching prospect Sixto Sanchez in any deal with the Phils, per MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro.
Frisaro notes that the Miami organization would like to wrap up a deal with one of the remaining suitors before the club holds its annual FanFest event this Saturday.
TUESDAY: The Phillies appear to be re-emerging as a candidate to land Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic tweeted earlier today that the clubs have been in contact of late, while Yahoo’s Tim Brown now notes on Twitter that “there could be some traction” between the clubs, suggesting it is a situation to monitor.
As ever, it’s worth taking this news with a grain of salt. The trade saga surrounding Realmuto has dragged on for the entirety of the offseason, with numerous reports suggesting that certain suitors were rising or falling in likelihood. With February upon us, Realmuto remains a Marlin.
That said, this match makes potential sense on paper and these particular journalists aren’t prone to dropping bread crumbs of information in a scattershot manner. On the Marlins’ side, it seems all but certain that the Miami club will end up shipping Realmuto elsewhere. Following an outstanding 2018 season, and with two seasons to go before he reaches free agency, his value will never be higher. There are plenty of interesting assets in the Phillies system that would hold appeal to the rebuilding Marlins.
The Phillies have been eyeing up major acquisitions all winter long, but haven’t yet pulled the trigger. While the focus has been elsewhere, it’s plenty arguable that the team could stand to improve behind the dish. Jorge Alfaro has promise, and has been rather productive thus far in the majors, but is far from a sure thing after striking out 138 times in 377 plate appearances last year. Meanwhile, Andrew Knapp struggled a fair bit in his first full effort at the game’s highest level.
This latest chatter may not lead to anything. We recently heard that the Reds were progressing in talks on Realmuto, only for that talk to fall off. Over the weekend, reports emerged and were then shot down that the Rays were back in the hunt. It has been suggested that negotiations were nearing a crescendo, but things remain unresolved.
Still, it’s certainly intriguing to imagine that the Phils are making a push here. The club could conceivably envision a strike for Realmuto as part of a broader late-market push to land multiple high-end players. Realmuto, after all, is earning only $5.9MM in 2019, so his salary won’t make much of a dent and surely won’t preclude much larger expenditures. Alfaro could in theory be a part of the return, as he’d be just the sort of controllable, reasonably high-upside MLB asset that would help the Marlins feel good about parting with their best player. And it may be coincidental, but it’s worth noting that the Phils just struck a deal with veteran Drew Butera, who might in theory make for a sensible reserve to pair with a heavily used regular such as Realmuto.
BrewCrew1302
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Cardinals17
My god!!! Realmuto possible deals are getting just as sickening as Hearing Machado and Harper haven’t signed!! EVERY DAY!!!
sheff86
I hope Harper AND Manny sign with the Expos and then trade them to Florida for JT AND THEN THATS THE END OF ALL OF IT.
Seriously.
Itrainsontuesday
TBT to the 1999 NL East
byron buxton mvp
Come on
lowtalker1
Lol
In the end no one will get them. Marlins up the offers teams be like no thanks
Topshelf Nick
“As ever, it’s worth taking this news with a grain of salt”. You don’t say.
swinging wood
Remember the days of obsessing over the Shelby Miller trade? Good times.
MarlinsFanBase
You all smell that? That’s the odor of Mike Hill mishandling another trade, and him milking this for all it’s worth so he can claim that he did his best to get whatever paltry return he finally gets, which could’ve been easily acquired months ago.
Someone needs to tell Jeter to remove Hill from the negotiations. That’s fix the problem.
This is just getting ridiculous at this point.
Unclenolanrules
Unless they trade for Jackie Robinson, Babe Ruth, and Tom Seaver when this is over, all the Marlins have done is embarass themselves, and announce to 29 potential trade partners that they are not to be taken seriously.
seth3120
I think they did what they had to do to fix a mess created by someone else. It may look bad but theyre smart enough to know they couldn’t have the biggest contract in baseball and win at the same time. Look at Harper and Machado unsigned they did well to shed that contract. I think they liked Yelich but he didn’t fit their window to win. Better to bring in more prospects on the same timeline as others in your farm system. A decent success rate with a handful of those guys and they could fill a lot of the team with talented controllable guys that would give them a chance to win at a sustainable payroll. I hate tanking but they were constructed all wrong they had to reset.
jefftoddwalkerbuehler
They could have had Austin Riley and Mike Soroka. And now it’s looking like much less.
bravesfan88
The Braves never actually offered the Marlins Soroka. It was just reported that’s what they wanted, but after Soroka was injured, the Marlins had soured on Soroka as the main piece to be paired with Riley..
Knowthemarket
Do YOU have a source on the Marlins souring on Soroka? I know it was reported that it was Soroka and Riley and then either Soroka OR Riley, and recently it was either Anderson or Riley. I follow Atlanta Sportstalk as well as Tomohawktake and Fanside but I haven’t read any source that is expressing what you are.
RunDMC
Braves stated Soroka/Riley was never on the table, I believe reported by Mark Bowman. Can’t imagine they would have offered their top pitching and positional prospect in a deal without a window for an extension.
Goose
Alfaro and Kingery would be a common sense deal. Realmuto’s offense would get a bump up in that lineup and park and his defense and ability to call a game would help that rotation.
DarkSide830
there is no reason for them to trade for realmuto if they dont even have a contending rotation to start with.
andrewgauldin
Lol what? Nola is an ace. Then you got Arrieta who is a solid #2. Then a bunch of young guys who have had some kind of success in the MLB, that yes, all come with questions (as does every rotation), but all have a solid potential of becoming #3’s or #4’s: Eflin, Velazquez, Pivetta, Eickhoff. Yes, the Red Sox, indians, Astros and Nationals have better rotations. But they’re definitely in the tier with the Braves, Mets, Dodgers. And probably ahead of the Yankees and Cubs (two contenders). You can argue all you want about rankings, but the Phillies have a contending rotation.
DarkSide830
I think Arrieta will bounce back next year, but the rest if the rotation is three question marks. VV, Pivetta, and Eflin have all shown flashes, yet continue to lack progression.
jett
Last year was the first full year in a big league rotation for Pivetta and Eflin. They have to establish a baseline first but I agree with VV, that he’s going to be a wildcard #5 type starter. However, a great catcher does wonders for pitchers, just ask anyone who had Chooch as their backstop. I’m not saying Realmuto is Ruiz but an experienced catcher with high upside can do wonders for your staff. Realmuto’s offense is just a bonus at that point
ASapsFables
andrewgauldin: The Phillies do not have a better rotation on paper than the Cubs and certainly can’t match the Mets starting five. The question mark in Chicago and NY is all about health, not about proven past production. The Phillies can only dream that they had a 5th starter as capable as Jose Quintana.
All that being said, the Phillies could move into the upper echelons of MLB rotations by signing Dallas Keuchel. He should be their #1 priority, perhaps along with closer Craig Kimbrel. Those two, along with one of Manny Machado or Bryce Harper elevates the Phillies into being a serious contender for an NL East title and a deep post season run. J.T. Realmuto is not a necessity but could definitely be the icing on the Phillies cake in 2019 and 2020.
andrewgauldin
Yes on paper. But the game isn’t played on paper. My reasoning depended on the potential of the Phillies starters. Along with a small sample size. Yes the cubs have pitchers that have careers that Phillies pitchers could only dream of, but that doesn’t mean Lester and Hamels and Darvish will pitch like their career stats indicate.
El Kabong
The Phillies have a better rotation than the Dodgers. Someone actually said that.
Willy Mays
Andrew in what world do the Phillies have a better rotation then the Dodgers last year Kershaw 2.73 era Bueler 3.68 era Hill 3.66 era Maeda 3.81 era Stripling 3.02 era Ryu 1.97 era. I won’t embarrass you by putting up the Phillies eras. The RedSox would be a better claim then the Dodgers. Also not in the Mets class
vtadave
Someone not too bright.
rrddbb44
The Yankees just have some health question marks…. based on talent they have an excellent rotation.
frankiegxiii
***2.62 ERA for Buehler
PurpleLemon
There are several reason to think Jake won’t bounce back and pretty much none to think that he will.
andrewgauldin
I never stated they have a better rotation than the dodgers. I said they are in the same tier. That might be slightly off, but since everyone is gonna be a d*** about it, I’m gonna stick to what I said. Bold prediction, Phillies rotation performs CLOSE to the dodgers rotation. Kershaw and Hill will decline, and Ryu will never have that good of a season again. I believe in buehler and strippling, but I don’t think the dodgers are vastly going to outperform the Phillies rotation this season. I think it will be close, hence why I said same tier.
bigkempin
Arrieta is a solid #2 yet he had an ERA of 3.96 last year and a FIP over 4 the past 2 years…..you’re also one of those people that just assume the young guys will continue to get better. The Phils SP had the 16th lowest ERA in the majors last year (4.12) and yet they’re now on the same tier as the Braves 4th (3.50) Mets 6th (3.54) and Dodgers 2nd (3.19)
cecildawg
Proof is in the pudding. Argue with the wind.
Prospectnvstr
The Mets SP’s have question marks as well. Wheeler? Health?
RunDMC
PHI starters were 16 out of 30 in ERA. LAD/ATL was top-4 (top-2 in NL). ATL’s bullpen really brought down that team ERA (and Teheran…). If Thor is healthy and Wheeler repeats his 2nd half success (in a contract year, no less), I don’t see how with deGrom PHI holds a candle to NYM’s rotation.
Nick81
In what world is the Phillies rotation better than the Yankees? Nola is great, but remember severino is ranked right behind him, then Arrieta? Haha, happ Tanaka and Paxton are all better than your number two, at the end of the year we can compare numbers.
Goose
@DarkSide830 Nola and Arrieta are a good 1-2 punch. They do have the prospects to go after a Greinke or Bumgarner. The Phillies have a contending lineup and much better D than last year. With Realmuto here are your starting position players:
C Realmuto
1B Hoskins
2B Hernandez (Who we now know was hurt last year)
SS Segura
3B Franco
CF Herrera
OF McCutchen
OF Altherr/Williams
4th OF Quinn
They have a lot more speed, better defense and a better hitting club.
Grizalt
Greinke won’t cost any prospects.
Houston We Have A Solution
If Arizona chips in money he will. Arizona pays 60-80% of the contract they could get a fringe top 100 prospect.
More money Arizona chips in better return theyd get. If they chip in no money theyd get like a 29 year old single a player or something.
Grizalt
I think Philly would rather pay $ than prospects.
phenomenalajs
But adding his contract would definitely cost the “stupid money” their brass mentioned…
megaj
Still finishing 4th with that lineup and rotation. Look, if the Phillies are still going to spend “stupid money”, then they should go and get Kimbrel, Machado, and Kuechel and just go for it already. That would be enough to make them serious contenders this year.
Koamalu
Regardless of how much he is paid, Greinke still has put up a 3.20 ERA and 410 IP the past two seasons. fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&… That is top 10. The Diamondbacks will get some decent prospects for him. The more money they pitch in, the better those prospects will be.
iverbure
I doubt it, for several reasons. One Greinke has a no trade. As we’ve seen with other players with huge contracts and no trades it takes away all your leverage. The people here don’t seem to understand teams aren’t taking on huge money long term commitments anymore and yet everyone thinks Greinke will bring back a haul. IF you think the Yankees fleeced the Marlins on the Stanton deal than you don’t understand the market right now. Marlins won that trade regardless of how Stanton performs.
Knowthemarket
There rotation was there best asset. It’s the part that DOESNT need help.
andrewgauldin
Probably too much for Realmuto. Many people are still high on Kingery, especially since he’s controlled for 6 years. Unless the Phillies believe Alfaro ceiling has already been reached, and Kingery is simply overrated, then I don’t think the Phillies would offer this. They’d be selling low on Kingery when they don’t need to shop him to begin with.
Goose
@andrewgautdin the Phillies did give him a 6 year contract but it is $24 million guaranteed and up to $66 million with the options. They basically bought out his arbitration and unless he gets it going it could be a bust contract. He isn’t going to start this year with McCuthchen, a healthy Hernandez, Hoskins taking over 1st and Seguar at SS. That is a lot of money for a young guy who struggled and won’t get the ABs in the majors. I do like him so for me I am a little surprised the Phillies didn’t open up 2B or 3B for him so they must have saw something.
SoCalBrave
Kingery needs to re-establish himself before he has much trade value. Yes, I’m sure a lot of teams would want him for his upside, but no team is gonna pay high for him right now. The Marlins do not want him as a centerpiece for JT.
phenomenalajs
Marlins want Sixto Sanchez.
Yankeeswin55
That’s not false bye any means
#L1C4Life
Alfaro and Kingery?? Yeah, thats not getting it done dude.
SoCalBrave
Wait until andrewgaulding finds out that it’ll be Alfaro, Sixto and Kingery! lol
The Human Toilet
I can’t believe this is still going on. WOW!
Mike Hill better be careful, Spring training is near and teams might just move on with what they got.
MarlinsFanBase
This is just Mike Hill pulling another self-preservation job. Somehow he’s going to turn this into something that makes it look like it isn’t his incompetence that leads to the disappointing end result.
sandman12
and some of what they got will get injured in spring training.
cecildawg
Father hater; You sound a tad wink hysterical. Big letters too. Gosh hater? Snuggling with the old lady?
seamaholic 2
Oh for cryin’ out loud
thekid9
So many Johnny Superscouts on this thread
norcalblue
And the “sources” are…… ? Marlins FO I am pretty confident.
MarlinsFanBase
Mike Hill trying to self-preserve again. Probably his family leaking the rumors.
titanic struggle
Great point…
jwardrip99
Coming soon… “conversations are heating up”… 3 days later… “dodgers and braves likely landing spot for JT”.
bestno5
Just heard that the Mooseville Knuckles are also back in
ivanburg
If the Phillies are back in that means the price tag for Harper is acquiring Realmuto.
Tom
Do you really think Bryce Harper cares about a team getting Realmuto? Harper will sign with whoever offers the most money. He hasn’t gotten an acceptable offer, therefore he has not signed. Maybe he’ll have to suck it up and sign, or maybe a team will up their offer the longer it goes on. Has nothing to do with anything else other than money.
ivanburg
Its the only thing he cares about. Read more.
titanic struggle
Hahahahaaa!! Phillme fans are as bad if not worse than Yankme fans…
johnrealtime
This isn’t basketball
Willy Mays
Hey I hear trade possibilities are really heating up for Realmuto lol
titanic struggle
Hahahaa!! REALLY?!! Heard the same thing in2018…
Saint Chris
I’ll tell you what, Mlbtr, why don’t you just tell us when he’s traded. So sick of all the pointless updates that lead nowhere.
Grizalt
Don’t read it. Simple as that.
sandman12
and I’m sick of all the smartass comments that follow every update. I came looking for ideas about who the Phillies might offer in a trade … instead got rubbish.
Chicks Dig the Longball
Alfaro and Medina?
johnrealtime
I think you’re more suited to ESPN than MLBTR. ESPN posts transactions, that’s what you seem to like. MLBTR posts MLB trade rumors like this one
Bluemarlin528
I heard they are working on a 4 way trade between the Lakers, Pelicans, Phils & Marlins.
No idea where TJ or Anthony Davis land in the pending deal..
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Besides San Diego, Philly actually does seem like good landing spot for Realmuto. I think a move like this could possibly persuade Harper as well.
Grizalt
San Diego is a terrible landing spot for Realmuto! Not contending and already has Austin Hedges and Francisco Mejia on the roster.
Chicks Dig the Longball
I would assume Mejia would be in the hypothetic trade to the Padres.
ivanburg
exactly.
Grizalt
Hedges would have to be traded in a separate trade. There’s no room for him on the roster if they trade for Realmuto.
ivanburg
Hedges sucks, Mejia is unproven.
Chicks Dig the Longball
Wow, such nuance.
Grizalt
Not sure “sucks” is the word I would use for a top 3 defensive catcher in the game who has shown flashes with the bat. The Padres are rebuilding so giving unproven players like Mejia and Hedges (at least with the bat) a chance is exactly what they should be doing.
titanic struggle
Top 3?!! WTH…there are waaayyy more established backstops than that kid. He has promise…but nothing proven yet…
Grizalt
Top 3 defensively. That much has been proven. The question with him is and has always been the bat.
connorreed
He’s a very good defensive catcher and always has been, but I’d hesitate to call him top three just yet, especially considering how his CS% fell to 22% last season (albeit in a 83 game sample size). I’d like to see a little more consistency at the big league level to put him in that upper echelon.
But I also agree Realmuto doesn’t make a ton of sense for the Padres. They get two years of him. They’ll get one wave of prospects coming up this season – full years of Urias and Mejia, likely call-ups of Tatis Jr., Allen, and Quantrill. But is that group going to make them contenders? I doubt it. The majority of their pitching prospects aren’t projected to be up until very late 2019 or 2020 – Gore, Paddack, Morejon, Baez, Espinoza, etc. That gives the Padres a very small window to contend with Realmuto. It’s not worth it, IMO. I don’t think they’ll win by 2020 even with Realmuto, so then they’ll have given up some of their prospect capital and would likely need to find a new catcher anyway. I say wait until some of those guys get up and you get a solid core at the major league level, and then acquire additional pieces to fill holes.
jett
Really, for teams like Padres or Phillies, a Realmuto trade makes more sense as a move to make after you sign a big free agent. AJ Preller must not have learned from a few years ago when he gutted his farm for a one year run at the division. Considering the resources the Padres have, I don’t think it makes any sense to move guys unless they ink a Machado/Harper first. For the Phillies, the two best position players they have to offer in terms of being on the market are Alfaro & Nick Williams. They don’t seem inclined to create a hole in moving their starting RF (Williams) unless they have Harper signed already and Alfaro is a decent catcher with pretty good upside but as a Phillies fan, they have the least enticing package of players/prospects to offer for Realmuto. At least considered to the teams that have been connected to Realmuto in the past (considering that those teams would at least consider trading any of their top assets).
The only thing that’ll persuade Harper is the largest deal possible. It makes sense that the Phillies & Nationals are the only ones that seem motivated to jump over other teams to sign Harper long term. The mystery teams checking in on Harper are there to help Scott Boras pressure the big bidders to raise their offers. The Phillies & Nationals probably have the largest offers out to Harper and if somehow Harper gets a bigger offer from a mystery team, Boras will come back to the Phils & Nats to see if they want to top it. Money will talk in terms of Harper signing.
ivanburg
Trading a couple of prospects is not “gutting the farm” this isn’t 2015.
Chicks Dig the Longball
Their staring RF is McCutchen. Williams will platoon with Altherr in LF unless they sign Harper. I wouldn’t be afraid of moving Williams and Alfaro to acquire 1 of the 2 best catchers in baseball with or without a Harper sign. Heck, they may just roll Kingery out there in left if they move Williams. It would be a good move regardless of the Harper sign as that lineup would still compete to win the division.
junkmanj
Weigh your offers and pick the best one as eventually these offers are going to be taken off the table. It sounds to me like the Marlins front office is divided.. Probably 5 different offers on the table and they don’t know which one to pick. The more they manipulate in negotiations with other teams, the less other teams are going to want to deal with them in the future.
Rallyshirt
“prone to dropping bread crumbs of information in a scattershot manner.”
But this reporting is also acceptable.
whitered
Sultanes de Monterrey
whitered
all this fuss over a guy that will probably fit 15-20 hr and bat .270ish…
junkmanj
His homers per at bat last year were better than Freddie Freeman’s. Catchers just aren’t going to get as many ABs as regular position players. He can play everyday in the playoffs and that’s a huge boost.
sandman12
That’s why he might be best suited to an AL team, right? Catch 110 games and DH the rest.
junkmanj
No doubt.. That would definitely be a huge bonus for an AL team.
Mjm117
If he stays with the Marlins yeah.
iverbure
Nobody cares about batting avg! Certainly not for catchers. .270 for a catcher is like .370 anyway in comparison to other catchers. Soon you people who want the DH in the NL will be asking for a catchers DH.
CowboysoldierFTW
You see a good deal, you swap him. Enough dragging this out.
bigballerbrand99
“Hey babe, I know our first date didn’t go so well, but let’s give it another try.”
fasbal1
who cares
Mjm117
Bohm and Medina would be nice headliners.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
Reportedly, the Brooklyn Dodgers are a new mystery team involved…
Francys01
I think that Realmuto will play for the Philadelphia Phillies this coming season. Jorge Alfaro will probably be traded to Miami with other prospects.
Chicks Dig the Longball
Hope the Sugar Land Skeeters get him so their could pair him with Loney
Steve Roberts
What happened to the Reds?
CalcetinesBlancos
Wow, the Marlins are run by idiots. They must be trying to alienate every player in the league.with this nonsense.
sandman12
What have the Marlins done? They’re trying to find the best deal they can. Wouldn’t every team do the same?
Tom
But they are likely burning a lot of bridges doing so. They want way too much for a soon-to-be 28 year old catcher. It’s likely teams are going to get frustrated and just give up…or lower their offers.
chaibueno
At this point, who isn’t in the running ♂️
cjuluca
Bohm and Alfaro or Bohm and Knapp gets it done.
Dbird777
Lol. The Phils are just as stingy with their prospects as the Braves and Padres are, so you know this news isn’t going to lead to anything. Unless the Marlins have finally lowered their asking price.
Tom
I don’t get the infatuation with Realmuto, especially if a team pays anywhere close to the Marlins asking price. He’s the best catcher in the game, but he’ll also be 28 before the season starts. The current trend for MLB players seems to be downward spirals beginning around 30ish, and it’s probably worse for catchers. Last year was likely Realmuto’s best (ever) season. Whichever team overpays for him will end up disappointed.
sandman12
Last year was his best … after showing continuous improvement. Nothing like Harper, whose best is several years behind him. Away from playing half his games at Marlins Park, who knows what Realmuto’s ceiling might be? Definitely even better than he has shown thus far.
Tom
I’m not disagreeing that Realmuto has been improving, or that his potential ceiling is pretty high; my only comment was that in this era of baseball, players tend to begin steep declines around the age of 30, and that might be earlier for someone playing a position as physically demanding as catcher. He might begin his decline at 28 or 29. Is it worth it to give up so much for a guy who’s only going to be declining going forward?
connorreed
Well, they’d be trading for two years of Realmuto – his age 28 and 29 seasons. It’s quite a stretch to assume he’ll be declining within those two years. I think it’s more likely that he continues to improve during these next two seasons. Plus, there’s not a ton of wear and tear on his body. Realmuto started late (didn’t become a regular until age 24), so he’s only played in 540 major league games. Including the minors, he’s played in 876 games as a catcher.
I’m also not sure where you’re getting the evidence that catchers are going to start declining by age 28 or 29. I just did a cursory investigation, and most recent star catchers – Yadier Molina, Russell Martin, Joe Mauer, Jonathan LuCroy – were just as productive into their thirties. Yasmani Grandal, Salvador Perez, and Wilson Ramos are three more examples of active catchers that are proving that statement false. We think of Joe Mauer as a guy who dropped off quickly, but he was an MVP level player through his age 30 season, and by that time, he had accumulated far more games behind the plate than Realmuto has (920 MLB games, 213 MiLB games).
IMHO, I think Realmuto has at least 3-4 seasons left before he starts to show any signs of decline. There’s a reason that a number of teams looking to trade for him have requested a window to negotiate an extension.
Tom
I”m not saying it’s a fact that he’s going to start declining immediately, but it’s possible. There have been several articles written recently that the belief that MLB players’ peak years are 27-34 is inaccurate, and that the best years are 22-29 (eutawstreetreport.com/age-27-baseball-myth/ one example). If that is the case, Realmuto is nearing the end of his peak years, which should make teams hesitant to pay a premium.
Also, if there is no concern about players past the age of 30, why then are Harper and Machado finding it so difficult to get long guarantees?
connorreed
I never said there was no concern about players past the age of 30.
And again, Realmuto’s contract is for his age 28 and 29 seasons. Harper and Machado want contracts taking them through their age 35, 36, 37, etc. seasons (for a lot more money). How are those even comparable…?
nonadhominem
Here’s the catcher aging curve:
blogs.fangraphs.com/catcher-aging-is-a-curve-not-a…
SupremeZeus
Translation: Phillies replied to a drunk text.
coolmacs
As a Reds fan. I’ve been dying for him to get traded to the Reds for 2 weeks now. At this point, I genuinely don’t care. Someone, anyone, get this deal DONE!
Mjm117
Imagine how Marlins fans feel
DadsInDaniaBeach
both of them must be really frustrated
Woods Rider
The Reds gave them a pretty darn good offer with India and Barnhart (spelling?). I think the Marlins were pretty dumb to turn that down. That might be the best offer they see.
jorge78
When will this long national nightmare end?
Unclenolanrules
Screw you Marlins.
doxiedevil
A trade for JTR is very, very, close to being down to 7 teams now.
simschifan
I honestly don’t care if this guy gets traded or not. “And that’s all I got to say about that”
Forrest Gump
junkmanj
If all offers are of equal value to the Marlins, I would have to say they trade him in the division. With only 2 years on his contract it only make sense to make your division rivals weaker while you get stronger. Any extension for Realmuto will be around market value (even though the market is whacky).
If I’m the Marlins, I’m trying to take away players like Pache, Waters, and Contreras from the Braves who will be ready to make an impact at the same time the Marlins are somewhat ready to compete.
Grizalt
That’s what I’ve been thinking. An intra-division trade of JT Realmuto hurts the other team a lot more than it hurts the Marlins. If they do manage to keep him beyond 2020 odds are that would have happened traded or otherwise.
junkmanj
I definitely believe it does too. As a Braves fan, it would sting to have to trade top prospects in our division and have to face them for the next 6 years.
When I hear things like the Marlins don’t want to trade Realmuto in the division so they’re going to raise the price on the Braves, I just don’t get it.
Grizalt
I’m not saying the Marlins should actively look to trade JT Realmuto to a division rival but if that is where the best offer is I say they should just take it, knowing that there is a very good chance that they lose him by the time the Marlins return to relevance.
junkmanj
Yeah I agree man. If you guys were still in the beginning stages of a rebuild I know you would want to trade for the Dodgers top prospects for a player with just 2 years left.. It’s just an added bonus to weaken your rival while you get stronger.
Mjm117
I’m not opposed to sending JTR within the division. However, not sure what Braves offer actually is. In addition, aside from the Padres & Rays, not many teams have the prospect capital to provide the Marlins with quality and quantity.
Personally if the Marlins can take away a large chunk of Braves top 10 – 12 that should be a win for the Fish
Colorado Red
The fish are following the Reds plans a few years ago.
Wait until the player has very little value, and trade to the lowest bidder.
Grizalt
#gotheeeeeeeeeeem
El Kabong
The Phillies have a better rotation than the Dodgers. Someone actually said that.
El Kabong
Lousy major league roster and terrible farm system. The other 29 teams should collude against the Marlins and let Hill and Jeter try to fix that mess on their own.
sandman12
Away from Marlin Park over the last two seasons, Realmuto is 25 HR, 90 RBI, .300+ BA, .350 OBP. .900 OPS He’d go nuts in Philly. The trade:: Flawed pieces Alfaro, Kingery, and Nick Williams (net 0 WAR last season) plus real prospect Sixto Sanchez for Realmuto.
SupremeZeus
Sixto Sanchez for Realmuto, no. Dirty Sanchez for Realmuto, yes.
David Makai
Was that JT Realmuto or Barry Bonds in his steroid prime you were referring to? There’s no way the Phillies give up that much for him.
Mjm117
Those are JTR’s actual Road splits. He’s a much better hitter on the road. Most hitters are when playing at Marlins Park anyway.. See link below:
baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=realm…
moethacker
THIS JUST IN: Realmuto trade talks communications by carrier pigeon. In a cost-cutting move, the Marlins have insisted that all communications concerning J.T. Realmuto be made by carrier pigeon. The head of the Marlins carrier pigeon department, Stanley Kowalski, says that talks with the Reds became “advanced” last week: “Da Reds sent two pigeons on da same day.” When asked what the Reds were offering, Kowalski declined to comment. “When da Mahlins didn’t get La STELLA from Chicago, I stopped reading the messages,” he said.
junkmanj
I just got dumber and more entertained at the same time. Kind of a wash out I guess
PinstripedPride
We’re only a couple weeks away from Spring Training and still we have to listen to this speculative bullcrap
moethacker
Well, on a trade rumors site, the alternative would be ….? No offense intended, but there are still a lot of veteran players sitting around with their gear packed and waiting to see where they need to send it and a lot of teams are still trying to see if they can cut a deal.
Gordon Lightfoot
Pull the trigger, Marlins. There’s a fine line between due diligence and indecisiveness.
moethacker
Yeah, a front office does its due diligence by weighing all the reports and numbers it has available on the players offered for Realmuto. When it starts taking this long, I can’t help but wonder whether there’s a bit of analysis paralysis setting in.
titanic struggle
No one will ever want to business with the Fish again…
Mjm117
Yes they will.
fasbal1
Teams have amnesia when it comes to previous deals.
Oxford Karma
Can a player be emancipated for psychological distress and mental abuse, creating temporary insanity? Bet Boras could find a way if he was his agent!
Dbird777
Another report that MLBTR hasn’t updated yet is that the Pads are back in the mix. Word has it they’ve taken their 24 best prospects off the table.
canocorn
I would like to hear the Marlin’s sales pitch on Realmuto. I could use a laugh.
MiamiMaybe
It’s srarting to look like any rumors involving JT are tied in to the Machado and Harper rumors (granted anyone who’s paid attention this offseason ha already picked up on this). For what it’s worth I really hope that the Big bats go west coast and don’t have the face the NL East and have any impact on the divisional race. The baseball fan inside wants Harper to stay in DC cause there seems to be a lack of continuity in baseball but Manny is obviously the wildcard here. I just want the most out of any return for JT just like any marlins fan and it looks like SD is the better trade partner for the franchise. I know it’s a long shot for a plus return because why would you let a good RP go just to clear a roster spot for a hopeful. Like most of you I think Hills gotta go cause he’s one of the few cancers left from the previous ownership. I just want to see a solid fan base in Miami cause it is possible considering the Dolphins and the Heat, the baseball end of that needs to fit the bill as well.
petfoodfella
I’d say SD or Atlanta is the better partner. I don’t see him going to Atlanta though. I don’t think they’d overpay bc it’s their division.
Grizalt
Well he certainly shouldn’t go to SD who is still rebuilding and already has two quality catchers on their roster.
psebat
If the Marlins wait too much longer they will get nothing for Realmuto. I think they should have taken the India/Barnhart/lower prospect deal. I do not think they will get a better offer after their GM waited and waited and waited all winter.
Mjm117
If that’s the best offer right now, wait till July 31st. The offer should still be there. Risk for the Fish, yes. But I’d bet on JTR continuing to show his position as arguably the best C in baseball.
Grizalt
Offers aren’t going to be any better on July 31st. Everyone already knows he’s the best catcher in baseball. If he continues to be the best catcher in baseball, then come July he’ll be the best catcher in baseball with half a season less of club control.
Grizalt
If the Padres trade for Realmuto here is what they need to do:
Trade Austin Hedges, Francisco Mejia (if they aren’t already included in the Realmuto trade) and all their prospects save for Fernando Tatis Jr, Luis Urias, Chris Paddack, and Logan Allen for help at 3rd base and in the rotation. Then if they fail to win a championship in the next 2 years, give Preller and Green the ax and start anew.
AngelDiceClay
Why don’t they just sign Moose to play 3B
Grizalt
Career .307 OBP
xXabial
any team is dumb to over pay for a cather
22Leo
What if they cath real good…like better than anyone that ever done cathed before?
NeedsMoreTime
Cathing is super important. The nurse that gave me my last cath in the hospital was awful.. And the room was so cold
Mjm117
I hear it’s a painful process.
NeedsMoreTime
I’d like to see them trade for realmuto and sign Dallas k… Instead of the big two
Problem is I don’t see any young mlb players in the big roster that have much value at all. Mostly throw in guys like Williams etc. Kingery, hernandez, Herrera… All worth more to phils than any other team would value them in a trade. My question with the rotation, even if you add Dallas k… How many vv starts are we going to have to watch before he’s either moved to the bullpen or given up on
qbass187
Who cares anymore?
dray16
me
norcalblue
Good grief, Marlins need to change their playbook. They commence every negotiation by DEMANDING the other team’s top prospect(s), then are rebuffed and they then return to planting rumors. All these teams should just cut off negotiations!
connorreed
Jeter/Hill is like La Russa/Stewart except with a rebuilding team. Just painful to watch sometimes.
DirtbagBlues
“Everybody in the mix for everybody until further notice.”
nicketz
can we have a blackout on Realmuto, Harper, and Machado stories until they are traded/signed?
DadsInDaniaBeach
This MLBTradeRumors
Yankeepatriot
Tick tock marlins, you are running out of time. Once the season starts you will have screwed this up
Mjm117
Very true! 2 years goes by fast
Yankeepatriot
At the deadline he will have barely more than a year of team control too. As such he won’t be worth that much at all at that point
mattcubs
I’m bored.
Colorado Red
They would like to trade Realmuto for the world, by Saturday.
This is ridiculous., take the best offer and move on.
If you wait till after pitchers and catchers report. the value will go down.
Do not do like my Reds, and hold on until no value is left.
The Human Toilet
Realmuto might get to free agency before the Marlins decide which offer to accept in a trade at this pace.
zachgwest
Marlins have no idea what their doing
MarlinsFanBase
You mean, Mike Hill doesn’t know what he’s doing. That is the problem here. It’s still a mystery to everyone how he kept his job after the ownership change. When the team was sold, one of the celebratory expectations was him being gone as a foregone conclusion, but somehow the new ownership kept him, which still baffles Marlins fans, beat writers, the South Florida media, and the entire South Florida baseball community.
Woods Rider
Sixto is the one “blue chip” prospect the Phillies have. Is the upgrade from Alfaro really that much to warrant trading that away? Me thinks not.
Perhaps Adonis Medina, Alfaro, and a low level prospect for Realmuto?
#L1C4Life
HA! not even close to getting it done. Medina, the #64 prospect, plus Alfaro and a low level prospect, LMAO!!! Why would Marlins take that if Riley (#43 prospect) or Ian Anderson (#34) is available from Braves?? Nope, Sixto would have to be part of it in order to get a conversation started.
andrewgauldin
Well nobody knows if the Braves are willing to deal Anderson or Riley. Braves wanna keep those guys. Alfaro, Medina, and another prospect is a fair deal IMO.
Woods Rider
Laugh all you want. Realmuto is not worth dealing Sanchez, period. It’s not enough of an upgrade over Alfaro to warrant trading Sanchez.
The Marlins are not dealing from a position of strength and if they want this wrapped up before Saturday, even more so. Everyone and their mother knows Realmuto will not re-sign in Miami and if they deal him at the deadline that’s 1/2 season less of control further diminishing his value.
Personally, I think Jeter was stupid for turning down the Reds offer. But that’s just me.
Chicks Dig the Longball
Why do the Marlins insist on getting Sixto? I don’t get this hangup on wanting their best prospect. A 55 grade is a 55 grade regardless if they are someone’s 1st or 7th prospect. Wouldn’t 2 55 grade players be just as enticing as a 60?
MarlinsFanBase
Same division.
houstonbill
Never understood this logic. Realmuto will be a FA long before Marlins can contend. Marlins should look for best return – period – regardless of division.
Grizalt
Yep. As mentioned before, an intra-division trade where a player with dwindling club control is traded from a rebuilding team to a contender hurts the contender a lot more than it hurts the rebuilding team.
junkmanj
Same division will only help the Marlins as Realmuto’s contract will expire by the time Marlins contend and they’ll be weakening their rival by trading for their top prospects. If Realmuto signs with the division rival they traded him to, it will be for market value.
pinkerton
No. No Sixto. Deal’s off.
stretcharmstrong1
This site won’t go out of business once he is traded I hope.
chop246
I heard that Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth are on their want list as well. Is it just me or does no one want to play for the phills?
pinkerton
I reckon McCutchen and Robertson did when they signed.
DadsInDaniaBeach
It’s you..Players do in fact want to play for the PHILLS, the Phils too.
fighterflea
No, it’s just you.
Kevin28786
Yeehaw! Here we go again!! LOL
fighterflea
Where the Phils can leap ahead in the bidding is by taking back a bad contract with Realmuto.
To the Marlins:
(P) Sixto Sanchez, (C) Jorge Alfaro and (3B) Mikael Franco
To the Phils:
(C) Realmuto, (3B) Martin Prado and (OF) Connor Scott
If the Phils don’t end up with Machado, there is still Moustakas and Prado is an expensive utility man for a single season.
andrewgauldin
Phillies would never do this. First of all, nobody wants to pay Prado, Phillies wouldn’t take that contract, he has negative value. Secondly, sixto Sanchez probably has more value than Realmuto, by adding Alfaro and Franco for Scott, that’s over pay for the Phillies.
Grizalt
They could take on Prado in a Realmuto trade in lieu of giving up more/better prospects. I agree however that the trade fighterflea suggested would be an overpay on Philly’s part.
fighterflea
Maybe it’s been such a while since the Phils have had a legit All Star position player that you’ve lost perspective. Realmuto won’t go straight up for Sixto Sanchez however much you or I might like Sanchez, which is to say Sanchez’ potential. If Realmuto could be had for Alfaro and Sanchez, I’d do that deal in a heartbeat. But I don’t think GM’s value players the same way armchair GMs do on this site.
Franco is waiting to be marginalized, either by a Machado signing or a Moustakas signing. Franco’s best hope for staying i if the Phils succeed in landing Harper and spending their $ on him. Connor Scott has far greater value.
Prado is filler the Phils can better afford than Atlanta or other teams vying for Realmuto.
I think real GMs would view my proposal better than critics here.
dcrising
andrewgauldin – you’re saying a pitching prospect is worth more than the best catcher in the game? Prospects are exactly that…prospects. The Nats were laughed at across baseball for trading Lucas Giolito (#1 pitching prospect at the time and #3 overall prospect), Reynaldo Lopez (#9 RHP prospect at the time and #38 overall) and Dane Dunning (their 1st round draft pick the year prior) for Adam Eaton. 3 years later, you see why prospects are called prospects.
If the Phillies want to be serious contenders, they need to make tough decisions like this, or they’ll continue to be a middling team in the NL East.
Mjm117
Marlins emphatically say no. They have already said they won’t include Prado or Chen or anyone else with a long term deal in any trade involving JTR.
Phillies would happily take that deal.
Scrap1ron
Pretty expensive for a 2 year rental. You keep him.
rsmlbtr
I’d love to get Realmuto and have no problem giving up Alfaro for it, but Sixto should be untouchable.
sandman12
Sanchez is a relief pitcher scouts agree.
dellapple
Do it Phillies, prospects are just that. Trade Sanchez!
jwardrip99
Stop! This is not news. This is the twilight zone.
Bruin1012
The Marlins crack me up everyone knows that they are going to trade Realmuto and they Marlins think can demand not likely. If the Marlins want Sixto tell them to kick rocks . If I’m the Reds I’d say we have Barnhart and India take it or leave it and you have 24 hours or the deal goes away. I kinda hope that they get stuck with him everyone knows that he doesn’t want to be their and the Marlins have to trade him they better be careful or they won’t end up with anything. They have overplayed their hand at every turn.
brucebochyisthemarlboroman
I couldn’t agree more. If I’m Klentak if Hill even begins to breathe Sixtos name I hang up. I don’t even know why they’re entertaining Realmuto in the first place.
Grizalt
I agree. Marlins trying to finesse teams into upping their offers. Teams need to do the opposite.
marijuasher
“Frisaro notes that the Miami organization would like to wrap up a deal with one of the remaining suitors before the club holds its annual FanFest event this Saturday.”
Piss off, Jeets. Thanks for doing your part in ruining the offseason.
Dbird777
I’d say it’s odds-on you’ll be seeing JT at FanFest this weekend. Unless he ditches, because he won’t be traded.
Chicks Dig the Longball
Hear the Marlins are asking for the ghost of Wade Boggs. He’s the all time homerun hitter!
Juggy
Harper will be a Yankee… Mark my words.
GarryHarris
Cleveland will get JT Realmuto… This is just as reliable as all the other rumors.
andrewgauldin
Heard somewhere on the internet that Sixto was being compared to Luis severino. Idk how much of that is race based, but sixto obviously looks legit. If the marlins are somehow able to acquire him, I’d think a 1 for 1 sixto for JT would be CLOSE to fair. I think the marlins come out on top in terms of value, but then again, sixto is simply just a prospect.
Kevin28786
Maybe the Phils will offer Moniak!
bucketbrew35
“Maybe the Phils will offer Moniak!”
I actually have a feeling that he is going to have a good year and turn a corner.
DarkSide830
he actually hit very well in the second half next year. i wouldnt trade him yet, either to keep him to develop, or waiting for him to show a full season worth of great production next year.
bucketbrew35
TODAY: The Marlins will demand top pitching prospect Sixto Sanchez in any deal with the Phils, per MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro.
Pffff. Fack off Miami! Lol.
AngelDiceClay
I think the Phillies are in on J T Snow
philsphan1979
Don’t trade Sanchez!!! He ain’t no Mike Trout! Regardless of Alfaro K rate last season, I’m okay with his production. He’s young he needs another full year before you call him a “”backup”” catcher. Give them Medina and Moniak and call it the day
T_Rexx2
I don’t even wanna give up on Moniak yet. But I’d much rather give him up than Sixto.
Vizionaire
fanfest? what fanfest? are there any fans left for the marlins?
AngelDiceClay
Party of 1
ohyeadam
I heard Sugarland Skeeters offered Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, and some int money
Z-A 2
Klentak should be fired if he includes Sixto for a non-need trade.
norcalblue
Baseball America just ranked Sanchez as the #2 RHP prospect in MLB. Ahead of Casey Mize, Alex Reyes, Michael Kopech and Brent Honeywell.
What are the Marlins smoking? Their demands keep getting more and more laughable!
Chicks Dig the Longball
Maybe the Marlins don’t give a crap what BA says.
norcalblue
And maybe they do. The point is that the Phillies are well aware of the kid’s talent and not likely to be dumb enough to give up such a high quality and controllable asset in the same way the Reds, Padres, Dodgers, Astros and Braves have been unwilling to do it.
connorreed
Unlike most other prospect lists which rely on the opinion of one or two guys, Baseball America’s list is produced by a team of guys who talk with scouts all year long. Their rankings reflect exactly what scouts are saying about these guys. And guess who else gets their information on prospects from scouts? MLB front offices.
PhilliePhan
Where did Sixto rank overall in the BA list?
lowtalker1
I like Patino over six but that’s my opinion.
birdsonbat
Sanchez would be behind all of those guys if not for injuries, and mize just got drafted.
Dbird777
“Phils…back in the mix for Realmuto” “Marlins demand Sixto” Annnnnd the Phils are out of the mix again.
T_Rexx2
I sure hope they are out if that’s what they are demanding. No way should we give them up. I’d rather have the next 4-6 years of Alfaro (can’t remember how much service time he has) than 2 seasons of JT.
Grizalt
Alfaro controlled through 2023
Alan Grossman
The MLB and MLBPA are discussing pitch clocks and universal DH? Why not consider that fact that this off-season and the last have done nothing to help MLB. I would argue that the way teams and free agents are dancing around each other for months on end has done nothing but hurt MLB. The way the Marlins front office has handled Realmuto has especially been disheartening. If Mike Hill is the problem, he needs to go. Otherwise, MLB really needs to reconsider the ownership of this franchise. It’s not even laughable anymore. The instability, the ridiculous way this entire Realmuto debacle has been handled, makes me never want to watch the Marlins again, not even on TV. When they come to Dodger Stadium this year, I will be giving my tickets away, if anyone will even take them… If I can’t donate them to charity, I’ll trash them. Either trade Realmuto for the best offer this week or else keep him and let him walk in two years. The real solution is to find alternate Marlin ownership or else move the franchise to Montreal or Portland, OR.
bad bruce
Of course the Silly’s will be willing to sell their top prospects for an over-rated catcher! Idiots.
IBFarr
Why would you do this if you’re the Phillies?
DarkSide830
yeah, not trading Sixto OR Alfaro, much less both
Philliesfan4life
I would not trade Sixto Sanchez for two years of Realmuto, they are better off signing harper or machado.
bravesfan
The thing about the Phillies getting JT, it would be the combo of both the Mets and Phillies really making their teams dramatic better this offseason. Can’t say that for the braves. Unless our players develop dramatically, which is possible considering a lot of their ages, I just don’t see how we match up with that Mets team at the moment.
connorreed
It’s going to be a much closer race, but IMHO, I still think the Braves are the favorites, or at least very close to the Mets. It’s worth noting that the Braves did win the division by a comfortable margin last season (8 games above the Nats, 10 games above the Phillies, and 13 games above the Mets).
And they did acquire Josh Donaldson this offseason. He’s not too old at 33, and although he struggled with injuries last season, he posted a 148 OPS+ in 2017 and looked great (.280/.400/.520) in 16 games with the Indians. If he’s healthy, Donaldson could be a big impact bat for the Braves.
But the biggest factor for the Braves will be their rookies and prospects, as the Phillies and Mets don’t have much there.
Barring any major injuries, they’ll have full seasons from Soroka (25.2 IP), Toussaint (29.0 IP), Fried (33.2 IP), and Wright (6.0 IP), all of whom pitched well in their debuts. They’ll also have some depth with Gohara, Wilson, and Allard, all of whom weren’t so great in short sample sizes last season but have the potential to be productive. Austin Riley will likely be up at some point this season as well. They’ll have Kevin Gausman, who posted a 2.87 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, and 142 ERA+ in 10 starts with them, for the whole season. And they should have a full year of Ronald Acuna, who only played in 111 games last season and improved as the year went on.
Plus, apart from all those guys, they have a bunch of young, very talented players that could take huge leaps from last season or further improve, including 22 year old Ozzie Albies, 25 year olds Johan Camargo, AJ Minter, and Dansby Swanson, 26 year old Sean Newcomb, and 27 year old Mike Foltynewicz.
And finally, they have a lot more trade capital than either of those two teams if they need to make in-season moves.
They’re still an incredibly young team, and every player on the roster apart from Arodys Vizcaino, Josh Donaldson, Darren O’Day and Brian McCann is under contract for at least two more seasons. They’re in a great position to contend for years to come, and there’s little reason to hinder themselves with bad contracts or to sell the farm just yet.
Willy Mays
Why do you think the Mets are the closest to the Braves. The Nats have a comparable pitching staff to the Mets and they’re a better hitting team then the Mets I am not a fan of any team in that division but I think the Nats will be better than the Mets this year . Also there is at least a 50-50 chance that all three Kimbrel Machado and Harper end up in the NL East which will change everything
Melchez
Wasn’t he traded a couple weeks ago? The trade was imminent I think you guys said. This has been dragging on for so long now, when it happens no one will care.
Grizalt
Sources: Realmuto to Blue Jays a done deal for Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
BasedBallGuru
I made a joke similar to that an hour ago and it got deleted. Careful man, THIS ISNT THE PLACE TO JOKE ABOUT THE THING EVERYONE IS JOKING ABOUT BRO NOT ON MY WATCH!
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Anyone think this DH in the NL situation could have an effect on the Realmuto saga??
DadsInDaniaBeach
that won’t happen for at least 2 years if then..with everything else on the players plate, that might not come up ion the new CBA talks
Krampus
They say Sixto knowing it will be Medina/Alfaro.
BrewCrew1302
Im telling ya, the Marlins are starting to get that bad rep around the league when it comes to coming together on a trade. First they want a mega package for JT, then they scale it back a bit, then they ramp it up again. They are going to be known as the team not to do business with anymore because of the way they have handled JT. I know they want to get back a good package, but this is ridiculous. stringing along like 8 teams. The Marlins are the equivalent to the girl that flirts with every dude, but does not want to make any serious commitment to any of them
Grizalt
“Im telling ya, the Marlins are starting to get that bad rep around the league when it comes to coming together on a trade.”
Feel like that’s been the case for a while now
BrewCrew1302
its unreal. hes good, not HOF status lol relax MIA
Mjm117
Marlins holding out for a large return for JTR gives them a bad rap and will be known as a team not to do business with. Absolutely agree 100%BrewCrew
Stupid Marlins mgmt should just give away their players, right?!!
I mean, it’s not like their GM provides fraudulent injury reports to others team on players before their traded just like true Padres have done numerous times.
Nope!! Marlins are worse and no team should do business with them!
Grizalt
“Stupid Marlins mgmt should just give away their players, right?!!”
I don’t see how trading Realmuto for a package consisting of two top 100 prospects (which has been offered) is “giving him away.”
“I mean, it’s not like their GM provides fraudulent injury reports to others team on players before their (sic) traded just like true Padres (sic) have done numerous times.”
Chris Paddack and Carter Capps say hi.
Dbird777
Thanks to Preller’s crookedness, the Reds got Castillo. And Luis is going to work out just fine.
Mjm117
Jesus, another winner.
Paddock passed his physical with the Padres, after he was traded, and they found no irregularities with medical reports provided by the Fish. He ended up pitching a few games then got TJ
Capps was recovering from TJ when the Padres traded for him.
How’s that in any way similar to the Padres and their questionable dealings?
Nice try
Grizalt
So there was “nothing wrong with Paddack” when the trade went down and he needed Tommy John surgery after just 3 starts in the Padres org? Sounds fishy to me.
My friend who is a Braves fan told me about a year and a half ago that the Braves were the unnamed fourth team that took issue with the Padres’ medicals and that the player in question was Max Fried. Fried, like Capps, had Tommy John surgery before he was traded and the Braves traded for him anyway. So if the Braves have the right to complain about a player who they knew was injured when they traded for him being injured, so do the Padres.
Game. Set. Match.
Mjm117
And aside from Mejia who is the 2nd top 100 prospect you speak of? I haven’t seen an official offer from the Padres..
Grizalt
I wasn’t specifically referring to the Padres (who I don’t want to trade for Realmuto) with the 2 top 100 prospects comment but I’m pretty sure they’d do Mejia and Weathers if that’s what it took.
Mjm117
But but but my best friends dentist sisters teacher, who doesn’t watch or follow baseball told my wife that the Padres never complained bc the Fish didn’t do anything shady.
Checkmate.
Grizalt
My friend does follow baseball and I have my doubts about the Fish not doing anything shady. Tommy John surgery doesn’t just happen out of the blue.
GAME. SET. MATCH.
Koamalu
The Padres “questionable dealings” amounted to Pomeranz taking Advil and the Padres not including that in their medical reporting to MLB prior to the trade with the Red Sox.
Koamalu
Colin Rea passed his physical with the Marlins after he was traded and they found no irregularities with the medical reports provided by the Padres. That much was established by MLB. He ended up pitching 1 game before his injury.
Braves2019
No one will do business with Miami because they are out of trade pieces after JTR lol
citizen
a name like sixto must mean mantle fan.
Knowthemarket
Will the Phillies be willing to pay the division rivalry tax?
Dbird777
N-o
jjd002
What sort of crack is sold in Miami?
Mjm117
Only the best!
tarheelfan
Sixto is a 5’11” power pitcher. I would make this trade in a minute.
Kk3445
He’s a good, not great catcher. I would not give up any top prospects for him. I do agree that trading him closer to the trade deadline would be smart for the Marlins. They aren’t going to get what they think he is worth right now.
Koamalu
Compare him to other catchers. He is the best in baseball. It is not all that close. A few years ago he would have been second to Posey and Yadi, but they are only a shadow of their former selves now. fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=c&stats=bat…
PinstripedPride
Whether Realmuto is worth the package or not is a matter of debate, but I highly doubt that the Phillies trade both Sanchez and Alfaro. Could happen if they value him enough, but I dunno
AllRiseForTheJudge
Sanchez + Alfaro seems like a bit much for Realmuto, no?
woody0028
Marlins “fanfest” … really?
Colorado Red
Yes, it is for the 1 fan
Priggs89
Has the mystery team checked in recently? Or is that our update for tomorrow?
jkoko
Jeter must be out of his mind if he thinks they are getting Sixto
skamelly
OMG, please no more rumors about Realmuto. Every story further illustrates MLB’s amazing ability to suck the life out of the game. The HSL was once a fun season to watch teams realign and reposition. Today, it’s death by a thousand cuts for what’s left of the fan base. Wake me on opening day.
Stevesabers
Just happen already!
Nevrfolow
Wish the Marlins tried this hard to get value back for Stanton.
Mjm117
Wish people didn’t have selective memory
Colorado Red
A no trade clause killed it.
T_Rexx2
And 250+ million left on his contract lol
Caleb Clark
Mets: C JT Realmuto
Yankees: P Noah Syndergaard
Marlins: 3B Miguel Andujar
This trade will happen. It benefits all 3 teams.
dcrising
Mets have Wilson Ramos. They’re not trading Syndergaard for a second catcher.
Willy Mays
I am a Yankee fan and you have to explain to me how that trade helps the Mets. If the Mets make that trade they become a slightly better hitting team but no longer a really good pitching team Degrom Wheeler Matz top three not that impressive. With Thor as number two its one of the best in baseball It immediately makes the Yankees a favorite to win the WS.Even though Andujar is a great bat the Yanks will still score plenty of runs without him. A starting pitching staff of Severino Thor Paxton Tanaka Happ/CC with there bullpen would be dominant. It makes no sense for the Mets
Syndergaarden Cop
moron
Mjm117
Sixto and Alfaro for JTR should be the headliners.
Colorado Red
not going to happen. Phili is not that dumb.
If they where, the headline would be JTR traded.
The fish going to look stupid again.
Kevin28786
I don’t know……….Philly is pretty dumb. 🙂
Mjm117
I truly hope you’re wrong. But Marlins do have a tendency of making stupid deals.
andrewgauldin
What deal by this specific ownership has been stupid?
T_Rexx2
All of them
Mjm117
Never mentioned this ownership specifically. I’m on board with the current regimes plan. So far so good IMO. However, I’ve mentioned previously that the Yelich deal wasn’t necessary.
And i like the players we got back, but this ownership should’ve sold Yelich on being the face of the franchise last year. That, to my knowledge, never transpired.
Now,I understand the benefit of trading Yelich, as the deal is helping accelerate the rebuild but this franchise and its fans deserved better. And this rant is not bc he won the MVP last year. He wouldn’t have, had he stayed with Marlins.
Now previous regimes….too long of a list to document their stupid deals. .
Mjm117
Would be fantastic for the Fish if Padres, (especially) braves, or Dodgers begin a bidding war & send Fish offers that better whatever is that the Phils rumored deal would be.
Grizalt
As a Padres fan I say “Bow out a month ago.”
Colorado Red
Here we go again.
Next article. Talawanda High is gaining momentum in JTR Talks.
Seems like the mullets are trying to get others to increase there offer.
No one is.
JTR will be a mullet on opening day.
May get traded at the 2020 deadline for a large bag of donuts.
terror661
Might as well stop posting the same article over and over….
Pax vobiscum
Sixto Lezcano autograph.
c1234
Reds once gained momentum on Realmuto so this isn’t news.
Kevin28786
Momentum is being gained……….twists and turnzzz!!!!!!!!! LMAO
BrewCrew1302
MLBTR is a joke the last few weeks.
pinkerton
If I see Sixto’s name in this trade swap, I’m gonna blow up.
jleve618
Yea.
kodiak920
Here we go, again…
Willy Mays
Weren’t the Reds the Dodgers the Mets etc all gaining momentum in regards to Realmuto. Just asking
slider32
Today’s the day!
stretch123
If it’s Sixto, I don’t mind the deal as a Marlin fan. I’d still try to send him out of the NL East though. I’m sure the Pads wouldn’t mind giving up a package of Mejia and Morejon or Allen plus two lesser prospects. Maybe the Dodgers willing to give up Lux and Santana or Will Smith.
Willy Mays
If you’re a Marlins fan why would you care where Realmuto gets sent. You’re not contending in the next 2 years so whats the difference.All that should matter to you is getting the best deal possible
Grizalt
No, you want him to go to a NL East rival. He’ll be a FA before you guys are contending so you won’t have to face him on a division rival when it matters. The other team will have to face their former top prospects playing for the Marlins for potentially the next decade.
And as a Padres fan I say “No thanks.” Austin Hedges and Francisco Mejia are a great unit.
Psychguy
Dodger fan cannot be happy with their off – season especially if they don’t land an upgrade a catcher.
Woods Rider
Look at it this way, if reports are correct, Alfaro may not be included in the deal with the Marlins. If the Phillies land JTR without including Alfaro in the deal, perhaps the Phillies and Dodgers can link up on a trade? Alfaro is clearly better than the declining Martin and Barnes.
Golfer97
Marlins have done an excellent job of getting everyone to buy into JT for much more than he really is. He is a very solid but not great player but by dragging these talks on I think they have been able to portray him as great with all this hype.
dcrising
“He is a very solid but not great player”? If that’s your way of saying he’s the best catcher in baseball, you use interesting verbiage.
stretch123
No need to troll. You get the point
dcrising
Not trolling, just stating the fact that he’s the best catcher in baseball.
stretch123
Not a lot people look at it that way but I agree with you.
Tko11
Quite certain most people don’t think that’s a “stretch.” Also the catching game is weak these (even more than usual).
Willy Mays
I’m tired of people saying Realmuto is not that good. In a league where most catcher hit 230 and 15 hrs he is going to give you a 270 or better average with 20+ hrs for the next 2 years.Since he’s entering his prime years those numbers could be much higher. He is also a very good defensive catcher. How good a player is at a position is always defined by the other players at that position while he is playing, As a Yankee fan I think Didi’s a great ss. However since there are so many excellent shortstops no one even mentions him when discussing shortstops.When you talk catcher it’s Realmuto.Period.He had a 4.3 WAR last year and it’s likely to go up the next two years of team control
mack22 2
Chicken little the sky is falling….again
Syndergaarden Cop
If the Phillies get him, fine. Hopefully the trade doesn’t come with an extension, and Six-toe Sanchez becomes an ace so it really stings them.
But, as a Braves fan, the FO needs to DO SOMETHING. We still need pitching, and they haven’t done a damn thing for months.
BasedBallGuru
Bowman leaked last week on a lodcadt, and noone mentioned it, that Bradley was their target this winter and when he took Astros money to fill out a WS roster with no taxes in TX, that it shook AA a bit. I dont blame him for not. overpaying, but, weve been saving for this year along time… How we werent bigger players for Diaz and Haniger is what bugs me.
We should be able to godfather offer Haniger hut they refuse to trade him reasons unknown. Guess they want the 10th pick instead of a top 3 pick real bad.
PeterDipersio
It’s funny how the Marlins want major league ready players to come back in a swap for realmuto! I guess so the marlins can trade them later ?
The Human Toilet
Two weeks will go by, Realmuto still a Marlin and getting “very close” but waiting to see if other teams will up there offers.
Braveslifer
I don’t know the Phillies prospects they are discussing, but if it is equivalent to Ian Anderson AND Riley, no thanks from the Braves perspective…
BasedBallGuru
I dont think weve been offering Anderson anymore. I think AA needs to do something, but he wont overpay for Realmuto either. Riley was the centerpiece but I think they love him and dont really want to trade him everything ther unless its for an ace or 4 hole hitter.
BasedBallGuru
Oh wow, if the new hot rumor on twitter is true, and the Phillies are giving up Sixto, Alfaro, and Moniak I wont even care if the Braves lose out on him. Thats bound to hurt the Phillies worse than it helps them anyway. Marlins have been holding out a couple good relievers to package with him, so I can them giving in and doing it.
Sixto is good but his elbows going to fall off or hes going to be an ace.
Cant wait to see Moniak turn into an MVP candidate once the Phillies give up on him and use him as a sweetener LoL
dray16
Some would argue Moniak will never be an everyday player, don’t let “being a top pick” distract you from the fact that he really isn’t that great.
BasedBallGuru
Oh I know hes sucked. But Teenagers suck then turn it around all the time. Thats why trading him is so stupid. You dont get good value, and you still risk looking like an idiot for a decade.
Moniaks last two months in high A he hit over 315 with an OPS over 800 as a skinny speed first kid. He still “could” make them look silly using him as a throw in.
dray16
I hear you, maybe a change of scenery does him well, would certainly take a chance on him if I’m Miami.
hiflyer000
Moniak has also been a terrible defender and base runner, which were his supposed plus skills entering the draft. He may turn it around but at this point his ceiling is looking like a 4th/5th OF.
Woods Rider
Mark Appel anyone?
BasedBallGuru
Yes flops happen. Especially pitchers. Im aware thats one of the possibilities. trading him for zero value at 20 after showing good signs for the first time? Nah thats silly unless Marlins just need a flashy name to wave in Jeters face so he approves it.
Plus hes a lefty hitter, with great splits vs lefties and bad against righties hes just a weird unpredictable prospect compared to mos imo.
christian18cutshaw
AA is garbage. Get a GM that’s ready to win and not such a a puss
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
“And this time, we MEAN it!!”
-The Marlins
cjuluca
Fish need to make a splash before fanfest on Saturday!
Paul Miller
For the dozen or so fans!
Brixton
Only way giving up Sixto+Alfaro for JTR is okay is if it pushes Harper over the finish line
BasedBallGuru
This is why they are the most desperate to match the Marlins price. They still think privately they can get one of Harper or Machado, and still sign Kuechel and Kimbrel and leap into the top spot in the East.
Alone this just hurts too much longterm, and doesnt help enough for two seasons, or 245 games of Realmuto. (Although whoever trades for him, might run him into ground with games played, if they dont intend to try and resign him.)
ASapsFables
It might also be OK if Realmuto is amenable to a contract extension with the Phillies and they also sign FA Dallas Keuchel for their rotation.
pinkerton
Ok, now this is getting stupid. Sanchez and Alfaro is already too much and you’re STILL dangling people like Moniak and Haseley? Knock it off.
Mjm117
Gonna be one helluva a haul for the Marlins. Maybe Hill won’t F*** this up. Not celebrating yet. tho
Vedder80
Is there a team that hasn’t been gaining momentum for a trade for Realmuto? I think that would be newsworthy at this point.
PinstripedPride
It’s going very fast. Nightingale has already tweeted that Alfaro will definitely be in the trade and at least two other suitors think Philadelphia is Realmuto’s destination. Sherman says its down to physicals and a third piece. Wow kudos to Philly
andrewgauldin
For the two people in the whole world that think Realmuto is more valuable than the combination of Alfaro AND Sanchez, I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong about suggesting the Marlins will never get those two for Realmuto. I was wrong and I’ll take the heat.
On the other hand, are the Phillies really about to do this? Lol. Sixto, Alfaro, AND MORE. Wow. I hope the marlins can get this done.
BasedBallGuru
All it proves to me is that the Phillies dont trust Sixtos elbow as much people think.
SanDiegoTom
As a padres fan, I hope the Phillies get JT
hiflyer000
I’m loathe to give up Sixto because the guy has a legitimate Ace ceiling, and those are the types of prospects that should be almost untouchable. Alfaro and pretty much anyone else in the system would be ok with me.
BasedBallGuru
If Sixtos elbow wasnt such a huge red flag, he wouldn’t be traded for anything or anyone (except Trout, but thats different). Makes me wonder if Im the Marlins.
Mjm117
Agreed, but not many teams walking away from taking the chance on him even half way meeting expectations.
BasedBallGuru
For 2 years of a guy? Yeah thats a good gamble. He could miss half his 6 years with injury, and hes still more valuable. Just keeps his arb in check.
Plus, they ARE the Marlins. All he will need is 2 good seasons in a row and theyll ship him out for a big haul.
Mjm117
Or he’ll be a huge part of the Marlins future teams of contending for the postseason, year in and year out.
DadsInDaniaBeach
AtBat just reported that physicals are pending and the deal (what ever it is), is done!
thetech
Wait. The Marlins have a FanFest? There are usually only 15 people in the stands for games, hopefully they all go to it. Lol
Mjm117
Lmfaooo you’re so unbelievably original and hilarious lmfaooo
thetech
Thank you.
cjuluca
Phils got robbed
national pastime
I bet the Phillies have to take back a big contract also. Prado or Castro.