The Brewers are reportedly the front-runners to sign free-agent third baseman Mike Moustakas, but they’re facing competition from at least one team. The Padres, who have prioritized finding a third baseman this offseason, are “going after” Moustakas, according to AJ Cassavell of MLB.com. San Diego first “checked in” on Moustakas earlier this winter, and Cassavell’s report indicates the club is legitimately in pursuit of the 30-year-old at this late stage of the offseason.
This is the second straight drawn-out trip to the open market for Moustakas, who was shockingly available until last March before re-signing with the Royals for a $6.5MM guarantee. While Moustakas entered last winter with designs on landing a lucrative multiyear deal, that was before the free-agent process became unkind to even the most proven veterans available. This is the second year in a row a slew of familiar names are unemployed as spring training approaches, and even elite free agents Bryce Harper and Manny Machado haven’t found deals to their liking yet. With that in mind, it’s not surprising Moustakas is still searching for a contract. Some of the teams that could sign Moustakas are likely awaiting Machado’s decision first, after all, and the former did turn in a 2018 showing which was almost identical to his 2017 performance.
Last year, in 152 games divided between the Royals and Brewers, Moustakas offered slightly above-average offensive numbers, hitting .251/.315/.459 (105 wRC+) with 28 home runs in 635 plate appearances. He paired that output with respectable defense at third, where he posted two DRS and a plus-one Ultimate Zone Rating, en route to 2.4 fWAR (he logged 2.1 fWAR in 598 PAs during the prior campaign).
Based on the production Moustakas has recorded in recent years and throughout most of his career, he’d give the Padres an average regular at third. Moustakas, then, is a far less compelling option than Machado – who has also drawn the Padres’ interest – but would nonetheless give the Friars a credible starter at the hot corner. It seems they’re lacking that at the moment, evidenced by the untested Ty France being their projected starter at the position, after waving goodbye to the unspectacular 2018 duo of Christian Villanueva and Cory Spangenberg earlier this offseason. While the Padres still have Wil Myers, who played 36 games at third last season, the team’s plan to shift him back to a full-time outfield role during the upcoming campaign remains intact, Cassavell hears. Likewise, big-hitting catcher prospect Francisco Mejia, who saw a bit of action at third while a member of Cleveland’s farm system, will not be a hot corner choice for San Diego, per Cassavell.
Should he sign with the Padres, Moustakas would reunite him with his friend, first baseman Eric Hosmer, as the two were teammates in Kansas City from 2011-17. However, if the Padres miss on Moustakas (not to mention Machado), they could turn their attention to another of the established third base possibilities still without jobs. Marwin Gonzalez – whom San Diego targeted earlier this winter – remains a free agent, as do Derek Dietrich, Logan Forsythe, Josh Harrison and ex-Padre Yangervis Solarte. Barring a trade, someone from that group may well end up in a Padres uniform before the season begins.
david klein
Signing Moose after being in on Machado would be the most Padres move.
washington_bonercats
SD knows there’s no chance they’ll get Manny regardless of money. He wants to win
Wolverines2
And Moustakas does not want to win? Winning in 2019 is Machado’s number one priority? Not getting the biggest contract in the game? Highest AAV? Padres have an extremely bright future.
padam
No, Moustakas just wants to remain viable and continue to play baseball while he can. Winning for him is gravy. Machado has the luxury to pick and choose.
Samuel
@ Wolverines2 & padam;
I can state with certainty that I have not spoken with Mike, so I don’t know what he’s looking for.
teddyj
Machado has seen the writing on the wall …He ain’t getting the biggest contract in the game and does no;t deserve it.
rocky7
And how many years have we all been hearing about this “bright future” the Padres are supposed to have????
terror661
3 of the 4 teams in on Machado aren’t serious contenders though… So what makes the Padres for sure out of it?
Chicks Dig the Longball
I don’t think it is that easy to say he will go to a winner. Who is targeting him hard? White Sox, Padres? Both teams are looking to flip from rebuilder to contender. Phillies? They are better, but certainly not a lock to contend. There is no true contender courting Machado now that the Yankees are out. So a White Sox or a Padres signing could be his best bet.
bkbk
Red, Sox, Astros, Cubs, Royals
A real list of perennial winners…
Priggs89
Royals lol
bkbk
In case it wasnt clear, those are the previous world series winners.
VonPurpleHayes
That narrative is just silly.
Crewfan620
Actually you’re wrong. Boras already said that Manny is looking for the biggest offer hence why the White Sox are in on him
Koamalu
Today they said on MLB Network that the Padres are rumored to have the top bid for Machado so far. They have a better farm system and team than the White Sox today. There is a really good chance that Machado ends up in San Diego.
SDHotDawg
I seriously doubt Machado (or Harper) will sign with the Padres.
However, Moustakas at least makes sense. But the Brewers are the “front runner?”
Grizalt
They will if they pay. But idk if Harper is enough of an upgrade from Renfroe/Reyes to be worth paying that kind of money.
SDHotDawg
I don’t think it will ever happen. Even if it could, I’ll take Harper all day over Machado.
Wolverines2
Agree…boring and another 20 homer, low OBP guy is not what this team needs. 2 years max, and a huge yawn from me…Would MUCH rather have Marwin.
Koamalu
Marwin Gonzales has one good season. Last season was decidedly yawnish at .248/.324 with a 103 OPS+. Why would you prefer him over Moustakas?
Wolverines2
Moustakas does not have a body that ages well. A 2 year contract would be fine, but the versatility and ability to get on base more seem to me to make MG a better fit if you are looking at that group of guys to fit in.
SDHotDawg
Wolverines –
What this team needs is ANY player that that is an upgrade to the current ML roster. Right now, Moustakis fits.
Wolverines2
I was thinking more like Machado…
SDHotDawg
And I’d like to have Harper. Neither one is going to happen. IMO, Preller can’t pull it off, and neither one of those guys wants to be a Padre.
Wolverines2
I’m not positive how you know that. Preller will pull off whatever ownership let’s him. I would bet that the Padres will land one of those two guys if they are the highest bidder.
Swinging Friars
Preller can and will make it happen if he wants it. His short track record shows this guy is a go getter!
I’m with Wolverine…. Machado or bust. Let one of the many kids or Meyers play third if you can’t get Machado this year
SDHotDawg
“Let Myers play third” tells me all I need to know regarding your opinion of Preller’s baseball expertise.
davidkaner
They couldn’t convince Harper or Machado yet but you never know.
Wolverines2
Goes without saying that would be ideal – as long as ownership was committing to building around them and moving closer to league average payroll, year after year.
Koamalu
Last year the Padres ended the season at a $130 million payroll. What is MLB average?
damascusj
league avg was 140m, padres were at 103m, vurrently they are at 60m, they could sign harper and machado and be under league avg
Wolverines2
Yeah, I’m talking active player payroll…Not what they are dishing out to former players and throw away salary.
Swinging Friars
Unfortunately all the money counts. But they are getting close to debt free, just a couple more years
fasbal1
Padres seem to be in on everyone.
Ryan W
Well, this one is actually a position of need at 3B, whereas lots of other rumors have been in areas of abundance (catcher, outfield). This has all been coming
Priggs89
Abundance of bad-to-mediocre…
tony gwynn
Short term, reasonable deal makes sense at this point. Please just don’t go longer than 3 years, AJ.
lowtalker1
No more then 2
Gfee0907
What’s your answer after 2 years?
lowtalker1
Potts if ready
Gfee0907
Potts is your long term solution to 3rd base. A fringe prospect?
Chicks Dig the Longball
I’m sure what ever their answer could be would be better than a 33-34 year old bad bodied 3rd baseman.
Perhaps Tatis fills out and moves to 3B. Urias shifts to SS. They have a few good MIF guys who could fill in a 2B. Or they could sign a guy. The game of baseball changes so fluidly, I wouldn’t worry about small “who plays waht position in 3 years?” decision. Just keep making the smart moves and a good team will follow.
eduardoaraisa98
Or they could just sign Moustakas for a one year deal and then chase for Arenado or Rendon in the 2019-2020 offseason.
fasbal1
You would really see an offensive decline in Arenados numbers in San Diego, doubt he would want to sign there
Samuel
“I’m sure what ever their answer could be would be better than a 33-34 year old bad bodied 3rd baseman.”
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@ Chicks Dig the Longball;
Moustakas is 29 years-old and he’s an excellent 3B.
Cam
He’s a good 3B, not an excellent 3B. If he were excellent, he wouldn’t be floundering on the FA market, a year after settling for $6mil.
DTD
Excellent? He’s slightly above average
Koamalu
Moustakas is mediocre on defense.
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=fld…
keepinthafaithsd1
The padres not only have tatis is the wings but a very intreging prospect xavier edwards that has alot of promise. Have tatis slide over to the hot corner in 3 yrs when edwards is ready
Padres2019ha
Pretty sure that’s any other stadium other than Coors….?
Padres2019ha
X Edwards, Gabe Arias in a few years
Chicks Dig the Longball
Moustakas is 30. He is a good 3B, but he is bad bodied, and guys with his build do not age well.
Prospectnvstr
2 yrs w either a dual option or a vesting year.
Padres r knocking on the door
Would rather the Pads sign Moustakas on a 2-3 year deal, and see how Owen Miller develops than sign Machado.
omalleyiv
Reunite Moose with Hosmer. KC West!
mj-2
2 hours ago Moustakas to Milwaukee seemed inevitable and now Padres are the front runners
Do any of the MLBTR writers check with one another before posting something or does everyone just wing it?
geejohnny
That’s why they’re called rumors. Most are just educated guesses or behind the scenes manipulations. Gets old….doesn’t it? 3 weeks until the games!
lowtalker1
Yup
I rather read stuff on twitter then here. Don’t like being censored or comments deleted.
ColossusOfClout
Wait. You’re saying twitter doesn’t censor people? LOL
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Lowtalker == Then see ya! If I see you back here, I will make sure to shame you. Good luck tweeting, ya tweet.
Wolverines2
Pretty sure it said that Milwaukee was the front runner but they have competition in San Diego…Do you read articles before questioning the writers?
mj-2
This article originally said Padres were the favorites and nothing about the Brewers when I posted
They do edit these after the fact FYI
Wolverines2
Fair enough – did not see that.
Koamalu
“The Brewers are reportedly the front-runners to sign free-agent third baseman Mike Moustakas, but they’re facing competition from at least one team. The Padres, who have prioritized finding a third baseman this offseason, are “going after” Moustakas, according to AJ Cassavell of MLB.com.”
stubby66
Maybe Milwaukee can resign Moose then trade Shaw to the Padres for Mejia the catcher
hiflew
I really don’t see why Baltimore is not interested. Moose is clearly a better option than Renato Nunez. They are still a big league team. Even if they don’t care about the next couple of years, they can always sign him to flip him at the deadline. If not, they will at least have a major league caliber player at third base.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
If the Orioles truly don’t care, they are going to lose a lot of their fanbase.
I know they are on the verge of losing me, I am fed up with them!
Signing Moose might smooth things over a bit and if they sign Yolbert Sanchez that would help even more.
Chicks Dig the Longball
I agree. If I am a rebuilding team without a lot of MLB ready prospects, I would acquire as many 1 year flip candidates as I could and have a yard sell in July.
DarkSide830
i mean they can litterally just use him as a DH and sit Davis all year.
CursedRangers
Bartolo Colon would be a better option at DH then Chris Davis…
bravesfan
They need to make a decision on what path they are taking… are they competing or not? Rebuilding or not? Making smart moves or not?
Wolverines2
Rebuilding – yes.
Competing – maybe.
Smart moves- ???
Very little money on the books, strong farm system…they are in a position where if something expensive and long term becomes possible as a free agent (Harper, Machado), then they can swing it. This does not mean they will/would/should trade their farm away to chase a pennant now.
Thronson5
I think it’s a shame what free agency has become in MLB. It’s a mixture of agents and players wanting too much and owners/GM’s not wanting to play guys whah they want.
Thronson5
*pay guys what they deserve
Is what I meant to type.
fasbal1
What they deserve or what they want, Machado and Harper both are both self proclaimed 30 million dollar a year players, yet there seems to be a reluctance to sign them at the AAV and the years they desire. Everyone always think their house is worth more than it actually is…..
ChiSoxCity
Free agency (and player movement in general) is a racket.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
I am not sure if Petco Park is an ideal place for Moose, can he be a productive hitter there?
Kwflanne
The fact that anybody takes these reports for the Padres seriously, is comical… to put it nicely. Please note: a month ago (approximately) they opened their books to the public in an article by Kevin Acee detailing the debt the franchise is still in, and how it likely won’t be ready to spend much more money for a couple more years. The article was written in order to shed some light, some honesty, some bright future for the Padres and their fans…. it backfired. They were crucified in local media and have several season ticket holders wondering “why would we bother paying for tickets until then?”…… then…. all of a sudden…. “Padres in on Realmuto, Padres in on Machado, Padres in on Harper, Padres in on Moustakas…”
The only thing the Padres are legitimately “in on”, is hoping to god they can fill their stadium at least to a respectable capacity over the next few years. Number one rule in ticket sales heading into a season: don’t tell the fans we don’t stand a chance this year, and aren’t adding any help. SELL SELL SELL.
Samuel
@ Kwflanne;
Bravo!
Your post is one of the two best I’ve read on the Padres in 6-8 months here.
The other one noted that Preller excels at gathering up prospects, but then doesn’t know what to do with them.
Kwflanne
^ also very accurate. As a Padres fan, I’ve consistently been of the opinion that AJ Preller belongs in scouting or minor league operations, as he is a very hard worker in terms of his scouting both of MLB farm systems and international talent. However, he has ZERO ability to construct a major league roster, move assets at peak value, identify good long term commitments with sizable contracts (to date, it’s been shields, Myers, and Hosmer…. yikes). There are constant logjams at positions on the major league club (outfield last year…. outfield this year…. and now catcher with a young developing Mejia likely to give at bats away in a split with hedges)… that said, he is occasionally able to find a gem like a Brad hand, or a Tatis jr in other teams farm systems. At the same time, he also has missed on trades. Whoever posted that about Preller, shares my view. Probably better suited for scouting and minor league development. Leave the major league roster decisions to someone else. He hasn’t done so well there since taking over in 2014 (people like to say “well… it didn’t start until 2016 when he traded away kemp, kimbrel, etc.). That’s just flat wrong…. it started when he was hired, in 2014, when he went on to trade away joe Ross (starting caliber pitcher in the majors now) tre turner (starting major league shortstop, all-star caliber), Zach efflin (starting major league pitcher), and many others. People will say “well, he wanted to build HIS own farm systems…. really? Because Hunter Renfroe, hedges, Urias, etc were all here before Preller. The fact is, he got rid of players who eventually made an impact on the majors….. while keeping the likes of Renfroe/hedges/etc…. who have not planned out. He swung for the fences in 2014/2015 offseason and missed big time. That’s when his clock as GM began. Not in 2016 when he had to subsequently trade away kemp, shields, Norris, kimbrel, etc….
Sorry Padres fans. I’m a season ticket holder. Will always be a fan. But “incompetence should not be rewarded with blind loyalty” (GAME OF THRONES!!). Preller should not be a GM. At least not at this time.
Grizalt
Renfroe and Hedges turned out just fine. Mostly agree however that Preller belongs in a scouting role.
Kwflanne
I’d have to disagree on that…. as neither player has yet to hit over .250 in the majors, and neither has been able to lock down a starting role. Renfroe is constantly shuffled in and out of the lineup, because management sees him as simply a “lefty masher” (which I disagree with, I actually think he could be good…. but they continue to platoon him). And hedges continues to be an easy out at the plate who can occasionally run into a homer. His defense is undeniable…. but the gap between his defense and his offense is too big. Especially in a weak Padres lineup. You can hide hedges and live with it if the rest of the Padres lineup produces. But it doesn’t. So he just adds to the problem. Just my opinion. If someone said pick a few prospects to keep out of: efflin, joe Ross, tre turner, Renfroe, hedges…. knowing what we know now, I think Renfroe/hedges would be at the bottom of my list
Koamalu
So BA is the best measure of performance?
Grizalt
As Koalmalu said, batting average isn’t a good stat. Jose Pirela, for instance, has a good batting average because he doesn’t strike out. He also doesn’t walk or hit for extra bases.
By your own admittance, Renfroe’s biggest problem is the way they use him. They need to just let him play.
Hedges has shown flashes offensively but obviously needs to show more consistency. Either way he’s top 3 defensively in the game.
On the other prospects, Trea Turner is an obvious one. Zach Eflin has a career ERA above 5 and has never been below 4 over the course of the season. Joe Ross still has to show he can return to form after TJS.
davidcoonce74
The POadres have the best farm system in baseball, and the best prospect in baseball. We can argue about the dumb stuff, and whose fault it was to sign Hosmer, but Preller is doing what he was hired to do, which is to build the farm system and create a contending team from within.
Grizalt
Apparently not considering he was going hard after JT Realmuto despite the Padres having two quality catchers on the roster already
Kwflanne
…. so, he HASNT done what he was hired to do… because at NO time during his tenure (starting in October of 2014, starting the 2015 season, and now into 2019) have they had a contender. The ONLY thing he has accomplished, is getting a farm system highly ranked. That’s it. He has yet to field a major league club that performs. Farm system ranking, as much as people like to brag about them, really mean nothing. Because you either use those pieces to acquire talent (like he tried with Myers, then extended Myers, while losing turner…. bad move) or you hold on to those highly touted prospects (example, Manuel Margot) and they don’t turn out to be the impact talent you expected. So I’m sorry, getting a farm system ranked highly is NOT what he was hired to do. He was hired to build a winner on the major league field. Yes, through homegrown talent, smart acquisitions, and an ability to spend money which the owners have allowed (James shields, Wil Myers, Eric Hosmer…..) how are those looking? People boasting about the farm system tend to forget the Padres have had highly rated farm systems before…. just never see the end result on the big league level. Preller was hired to make the Padres a winner. Not to have highly rated prospects at low a Fort Wayne through El Paso.
People can have HOPE for the future, but they hopefully are open-eyed enough to realize that hope was also there for Margot…. for Myers… for Renfroe… for hedges… for Eric Lauer… all players (and more) who haven’t lived up to the billing.
davidcoonce74
You do know that Hunter Renfroe, as a major leaguer, has been much more valuable than Eflin, and equally valuable as Joe Ross, right? Hedges is at least an elite defensive catcher, although the bat may never come around. Yes, he received an edict from management to “go for it” in 2015 and that was dumb, and losing Turner was a part of that, but I think you’re wildly overvaluing the Padres’ prospects before Preller showed up – I mean the top-10 prospects when Preller took over was filled with guys like Wisler, Casey Kelly, Rymer Liriano, Lemonds (who?), Gettys, Spangenberg, Rondon…it wasn’t a good system. It’s the consensus #1 system in baseball now, 3 years later. I think a 5-year plan is prudent before we start deciding what Preller is.
SDHotDawg
Renfroe was already one of our top prospects when Preller took over. So was Urias.
davidcoonce74
Renfroe was in the Padres top-10 (was #1 on some lists, behind Wisler on others) when Preller became GM, Urias wasn’t in the top 30 when Preller became GM (Urias was also, like 17 years old then)..
davidcoonce74
Here are some of the other “top prospects” in the Pads’ system when Preller became GM: Austin Smith, Jason Nix, Javy Guerra, Ruddy Giron, Luis Perdomo, Trayvon Guerrero, Zach Lemonds, Michael Gettys – all of these guys have been swamped by the players Preller has drafted or signed out of the Int’l market. I don’t think he has to prove his acumen in terms of building a farm system at this point; he needs to take the prospects the next step, and he hasn’t gotten a real chance to do that yet because he wasted a year playing deadwood like Derick Norris and Matt Kemp and James Shields etc. and then stripped the MLB team down to rebuild.
SDHotDawg
So you’re admitting that prospects are unknown quantities. Preller’s are no different.
Koamalu
You should reread that article. The article detailed how the Padres cleared up debt and now have an additional $8 million they believe they can apply to MLB payroll starting in 2019. That is $8 million over the $130 million they spent last season. As of right now the Padres have an $80 million payroll in 2019.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tml6a7X5uNjETnokoB…
The Padres signed the highest paid free agent last offseason, the season before offered the most money to a free agent, and in 2016 spent over $100 million on amateur players between International Free Agency and the draft.
Attempting to say that they are not spending money and are not genuine in their pursuit of major FA like Machado and Harper is asinine.
Swinging Friars
Some of these “fans” are stuck on auto-pilot and that is still set to frustrated. To be fair, they come by it honestly…. It’s an unintended consequence of losing for 12 straight years
Preller has given us a lot to cheer for over the last couple of years. It’s time to grab ahold of the gear shifter and get ready to watch some good baseball again!
Kwflanne
I’m sorry…. but what have PADRES fans had to cheer for that Preller has given us? I think you’re confusing PADRES fans, with lake Elsinore storm fans, Fort Wayne tincap fans, San Antonio missions fans, etc etc.
“Preller has given us a lot to cheer for over the last couple of years”…. ??? I don’t cheer because we have a highly rated farm system. I cheer when that farm system rating provides success on the major league field. Or when a general manager makes quality free agent signings that help our team improve. What has Preller done to give fans something to cheer about…. on the San Diego Padres baseball field?
Sorry but the prospect love has to stop. Not a single person can say you shouldn’t be HOPEFUL. Hopeful is fine. As in, HOPEFULLY a few of these prospects work out. But we were hopeful Myers was the “face of the franchise”. Hopeful shields was that ace the staff had been missing. Hopeful Hosmer would prove worth the money. Hopeful hedges would develop a bat to go with his defense. And so on and so on and so on.
It’s not people stuck in auto pilot, set to frustration. It’s people stuck in reality, whereas other have their heads stuck in the clouds. And that’s ok…. some people are dreamers. However, that doesn’t mean people pointing out the actual state of the team are stuck in auto pilot… when the Padres reach a level of .500, let me know. Because before then…. the only thing I can be is CAUTIOUSLY optimistic regarding prospects (some of which are still several years away). Preller has given this Padres fan, and many others, nothing to cheer about when we spend our money to go to, or even watch, the games. The only ones cheering are the ones who live and die by baseball America or mlb.com prospect rankings.
SDHotDawg
The ONLY thing Preller has done is build a highly regarded farm system. Last time I looked, prospect and farm system rankings don’t win ball games, and there is practically zero correlation between “highly ranked farms” and winning where it counts.
davidcoonce74
Correction:…”opened up *some* of their books.” If you think the Padres were being transparent about their finances in that article by Acee I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Swinging Friars
More than any other team has…ever. It’s something, and it’s a start
john9977
figure he would wanna sign with his boy, but hosmer didnt do nothing his first year there.
kenleyfornia2
There is a San Diego – Kansas City pipeline starting to build
Grizalt
Rather go after Machado. If he signs for less than $250m and it’s with someone other than the Padres I’ll be very disappointed.
reflect
The last former Royal they signed worked out so well, might as well do it again.
Club39
Moose plays 3rd
Manny plays short
Helloooooooo playoffs lol
Ski to Coors
Tatis is better than Moose, no sense in getting the Moose if you’re getting a Machado.
blackleather
This says to me, Machado made it clear he doesn’t want to play for SD. And the more I think about it, Harper was and still is, interested in playing for the Dodgers. And I think LA knows it, but isn’t as interested as he thought they might be. So, this us where the Padres should take the shadiness, personally…and play better than anyone thinks they will. Moose or Gonzalez, are far away from the worst options SD could acquire.
brewcat
Or Machado hasn’t made anything clear and SD hopes this gets some reaction from him.
Koamalu
Brewcat, I think you have hit on the real reason for this rumor. The Padres are rumored to have made the highest offer for Machado, but it’s not clear that he wants to either play 3B or play on the West Coast. This is a shot across the bow from the Padres that they are out of the bidding for him if they sign Moustakas and he needs to make a decision now. Players will be reporting to spring training next weekend and I am sure the Padres and other teams want to have their players all in camp from the start. That would include Machado, Harper and Moustakas.
SupremeZeus
I figured the white sox would sniff around the moose after they whiff on macho man.
Roll
Just a curious thought the padres need a 3rd baseman and the mets are glutton with if. Think a frazier to san diego is a possibility? I was thinking he is fa after the season which doesnt block any of the prospects soon to be up as well as some mentorship. This would also free up some ab for McNeil
Maybe some cash to padres to cover some of frazier contract for a fringe guy coming back to the mets thats not on the 40 man. At first, I was thinking a contract swap first but pretty much everyone on the padres except a few are arb guys and none making anything close to his contract.
Grizalt
Take Jose Pirela… Please.
Padres2019ha
No thanks
SFGiantsGallore
No matter who the person, they ALWAYS reference Machado/Harper. I mean I get it, their signings will determine the market. But it just seems like if it’s “raining outside” then it’s because Harper hasn’t signed with a team yet.
bradthebluefish
Sign Harper and Moose and maybe Dallas call it a season.
AstrosWS20
We’ve got Moose pics in home and alternative Brewers unis for two consecutive articles on the MLBTR app. Can we get a road or throwback uni pic of the Moose on a third article to make it a trifecta?
jonesadoug
Alcides Escobar is still unsigned also. Moose is a helluva player. KC Padres would be fun to watch after our Royals games end in the evening.
sergefunction
The Padres keep chasing these random targets like Rick Pitino in an Italian restaurant. Allegedly.
Like him, it worked at least once. Like him, while it is at best arguably admirable that they keep trying, news of it might best be left strictly to themselves.
throwinched10
Looking at the Padres future vs the White Sox future. If I was Machado, I would pick the Padres.
Machado, Tatis, Urias, Hosmer, Mejia, Reyes, Margot, Gore, Allen…Padres have a bright future
throwinched10
Add Paddack and Morejon to that list.
Swinging Friars
Don’t forget Baez
Bruin1012
The White Sox look pretty good too they have a lot of good young players coming as well. It’s pretty much a toss up at this point. The Padres have a ton of prospects they need to start graduating and see how they look at the big league level. I do agree that the Pads have a bright future and think they should go hard after Machado.
davidcoonce74
Oh man, did you really just put Hosmer in that list? Hosmer isn’t young and, more importantly, he isn’t good.
Caleb Clark
Mike Moustakas gets a 2-3 yr contract worth about $8M to $10M per year and use him as a trade chip in his final season if the team is struggling.
BoycottSD
Does the Chargers owner Spanos secretly own the Padres?
Why debate a few million dollars or 10 million or 20 million? The Padre organization, with taxpayer funded Petco Park revenue, has made every owner rich. According to Forbes – the current owners paid $600 million in 2012, and now the team, is worth $1.2 BILLION. They have made their money. All the fans have received for their continued support – – is lower than AAA baseball at premium prices for tickets, parking, and concession.
Free agents do not deplete your farm system. It is only money! You screw up when you trade away talent.
Trying to win makes money! The Padres well-intentioned but failed 2015 endeavor drew an extra 500,00 fans over two years (300,000 in 2015 and 200,000 in 2016). The screw-up was was trading for players. The San Diego fans supported the attempt to improve immediately. (Attendance average before and after those years is 2.1 million fans.)
If each of those extra 2015/2016 fans spent $50, the return on investment was $25 million, plus additional fans that might have continued their support if the team kept trying to win.
A good farm system is not an excuse to have a major league roster full of less than .250 hitters and or lack a legitimate #1 or #2 starting pitcher.
Did we really see starting pitching by committee from the bullpen, last year?
When does San Diego get a return on Petco investment? Maybe this ownership group needs to take a page from Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank – Take care of your fans! Do your best to put a winner on the field and don’t gouge the people that come to your games.
How do the fans make their voices heard?
Kwflanne
By drowning out the fans who provide their blind loyalty. As long as you have those fans who continue to point to our minor league prospect ranking, instead of our major league roster performance, this regime will continue to get away with robbery. As a lifelong Padres fan, I always find it comical when people say “well, we can’t spend like the dodgers and Red Sox and Yankees…”. That’s very true, we can’t. Know what else we can’t do? Produce major league talent from our farm system like the Red Sox (betts, devers, bennetendi, Bradley jr, Pedroia, etc), the dodgers (Peterson, bellinger, kershaw, seager, etc) the Yankees (Sanchez, andujar, severino, etc)….
The spending money excuse doesn’t work anymore (as teams like the A’s have shown). It’s smart management and having prospects streamline into the majors and have an impact. Hedges/Renfroe/Margot have NOT had any impact to turn this club around.
davidcoonce74
As you pointed out above, Hedges/Renfroe were part of the “prospects” in the previous regime. Margot has been a decent major-leaguer who is still very young and can improve; he was also drafted by and developed by the Red Sox. The wave of Preller’s prospects hasn’t even really hit the majors yet, so I think it’s premature to say “he can’t get them over the hump.” The prospects who were in the system when Preller took over were nothing special; Matt Wisler was the Padres #1 prospect when he took over and he’s a fringe major-leaguer. Renfroe is a deeply flawed player who might turn into something. Hedges is a glove-only catcher. Dinelson Lamet? Luis Perdomo? Rymer Liriano? Preller realized these guys were trash and jettisoned them relatively quickly. I know it feels like the team should be better by now, but I think we should wait to see if the prospects Preller drafted/ bought and developed actually pan out before we make some kind of assumption. They just haven’t even gotten a chance yet.
SDHotDawg
This is Preller’s 5th full year. The Cubs lost in the NLCS in Epstein’s 4th year. The Astros had a winning season in 2015, Luhnow’s 4th year at the helm.
The only reason I use those two examples is because everybody thinks we’re doing the copycat dance. There are more: Ray’s, Brewers, A’s, Braves ….
davidcoonce74
Well, the Cubs and Astros weren’t given a ridiculous edict from management to “go for it” like Preller was (Upton, Kemp, Norris, Shields, etc….you know what happened), which set the rebuild back at least a year. Ultimately a GM has to do what the owner says, and that disastrous offseason really screwed up the long-term plans, but I think the Padres are on the right track now.
SDHotDawg
I can’t find that “edict” stated anywhere. In fact, his introductory press conference was full of talk about building for the long term. If you can point me to an article or presser where that goal was stated … ?
davidcoonce74
Also, kudos on the Pedroia reference. He was drafted when Luis Urias was 6 years old. I wouldn’t place tons of credence on a team’s lucky draft pick from 15 years ago.