Feb. 2, 2:53pm: Per Jon Heyman of MLB Network, the San Diego brass sees Harper as a “business/marketing opportunity” and “may now lean” toward securing his services over those of Manny Machado, despite their obvious need at 3B and swarm of young, controllable corner outfielders.
Jan. 31, 11:24pm: Acee has an update on tonight’s meeting, in which Padres general partner Peter Seidler joined GM A.J. Preller and skipper Andy Green to make the pitch. Per the report, the San Diego contingent was “extremely prepared and seemed sincere about wooing” Harper.
11:40am: The Padres’ entry into the Harper bidding is more “extended due diligence,” and is not as serious as their interest in Machado, writes Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune. The surprising lack of suitors for Harper has helped to fuel San Diego’s interest, he adds.
Meanwhile, Rosenthal tweets that the meeting will take place tonight. MLB.com’s Jon Morosi calls the Padres one of four suitors for Harper, alongside the Phillies, White Sox and Nationals, noting that one other club remains “on [the] periphery” (Twitter link).
10:44am: The Padres will meet with free-agent outfielder Bryce Harper in Las Vegas today or tomorrow, reports Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (Twitter links). Padres ownership is “expected” to be represented at the meeting, and Rosenthal further notes that Harper and agent Scott Boras have met with other teams “in recent days,” though there’s still no signs that a deal close.
The news of a meeting with Harper comes on the heels of last week’s report that the Padres are pursuing Manny Machado and planning a similar sitdown with him, although MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweeted last night that the Padres/Machado meeting has still not taken place. Nevertheless, the Padres’ surprise emergence as a potential suitor for the market’s top two free agents is of note, and the very fact that in-person meetings are being scheduled shows a level of interest that many teams throughout the league have not expressed.
Outfield isn’t exactly an area of need for the Friars, who already have Wil Myers, Manuel Margot, Hunter Renfroe, Franchy Cordero, Franmil Reyes and Travis Jankowski on the roster. Harper, though, would nonetheless represent an upgrade in right field and would further allow the Padres to explore the trades of younger, controllable outfielders. It’s also possible that Harper’s market hasn’t progressed to the level that San Diego initially expected, and ownership has agreed to a meeting to determine whether there’s a plausible fit. The Padres did sign another high-profile Boras client, Eric Hosmer, to an eight-year deal worth $144MM last winter, and the organization surely feels it is now closer to contending than it was at that point, even if doing so in 2019 is a long shot (with or without Harper).
The Hosmer contract was already a significant expenditure for the typically conservative Padres, and signing either Harper or Machado would represent next-level spending the likes of which has never been seen by the organization and its fans. However, as I noted last week when looking at how Machado could fit into the payroll, it might not be as difficult as many would think for the Padres to accommodate an annual salary of $30MM+ (Harper spurned a 10-year, $300MM offer from the Nationals that has reportedly since been increased).
Myers and Hosmer are the only long-term contracts on the books for the Padres, and Hosmer’s contract was heavily front-loaded. While he’s earning $21MM annually for the next four seasons, Hosmer’s salary will drop to $13MM per year from 2023-25. Myers is owed $5.5MM in 2019 and $22.5MM in each of the three subsequent seasons, although the Padres have been trying to offload that contract for awhile anyhow.
Even speculatively penciling in a hefty $34MM annual rate of pay for Harper and assuming that the organization is unable to trade Myers, there’d only be three seasons in which the Padres were on the hook for all of those salaries. Combined, those three would equal $77.5MM — a huge sum for three players by San Diego’s standards, but come 2023 they’d be paying Harper and Hosmer under $50MM combined with Myers off the books. And, given the Padres’ deluge of oncoming talent from one of the game’s top-ranked farm systems, it’s likely that Harper and Hosmer could be largely surrounded by pre-arbitration players. Fernando Tatis Jr., Luis Urias and Francisco Mejia could all potentially join Harper and Hosmer as regulars in that theoretical lineup by the end of the 2019 season.
None of that is to say that a deal between the two sides is likely, but the financial component may be far easier to navigate than many would expect upon first glance. The meeting is just one step in what would surely be an arduous negotiation process, but it seems clear that current Padres ownership is at least open to the possibility of high-level spending before its hopeful core emerges at the big league level.
acarneglia
Watch Bryce and Manny shock everyone and hook up in San Diego
Braveslifer
…then trade for Realmuto!
acarneglia
And throw in the upcoming Tatis, Gore, and Mejia and things get interesting in SD
joedirte4life
I would think Mejia would be going to the Marlins in any Realmuto deal.
larry48
padres will sill finish last in division if they get all three. More fake rumor about San Diiego just trying to run price for Harper and Manny.
acarneglia
You are probably right, but we don’t know if it does happen who will go
lowtalker1
Last? They were already pegged for third place
Giants last and dbacks 4th
basebaIl1600
The Giants are not worse than the Dbacks. Dbacks have nothing. Goldschmidt gone, Pollock gone, Corbin gone.
terror661
You can read the future? That’s incredible. What else happens in the world as far as wars and such?
lowtalker1
Oh yeah they are
Giants are bad and aging badly with a large payroll
FullMontilla
It’s already interesting in San Diego with their depth of talent. I think Machado makes much more sense for the Pads than Harper
basebaIl1600
Ok. I’d still rather have Brandon Belt at first base than Christian Walker or whomever the Dbacks are slotting there. I’d take Posey at Catcher rather than Avila. I’d take Crawford over Ahmed. I’d take Longoria over Lamb. Only thing the Dbacks have is a better outfield, Bumgarner/Rodriguez is a much better top of the rotation than Greinke/Ray
Chicks Dig the Longball
I’d rather have Greinke/Ray
basebaIl1600
3.21/3.93 are the ERAs for Greinke/Ray for 2018. 3.26/2.81 are the ERAs for Bumgarner/Rodriguez. But go ahead anyway, take Greinke/Ray. Not to mention Greinke is older than Bumgarner, and Ray is older than Rodriguez.
Swinging Friars
You guys are missing a key point here…. Most teams would be stoked to have either duo! It’s a good problem to have
basebaIl1600
Nah it’s just really sad to see fans still holding on to grudges. A fan of a team beaten by the giants in the playoffs will automatically hate on them, it’s hilarious.
canadianyankee
In the future, the wars return to where they were a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…
Lefty Grove’s right hand
US has a space force now.
Chicks Dig the Longball
If Rodriguez repeats his performance, then I would tend to agree with you. But his peripherals say he wont. It’s pretty dumb to judge a player based on one season.
Ejemp2006
More proof of my MLB conspiracy theory. The owners meet. Want to quell players’ anger about contracts. Padres volunteer to be the landing spot for bad contracts. The other owners, all competitors deep down, agree to pay Padres compensate money because they know big signings don’t equal wins. Padres then sign Myers for too much. Hosmer for too much. And this off season they must do another too much in order to keep getting the hush money and help peace. So it’s either Machado for 8/240 or Harper for 10/320.
Then at next CBA, owner lawyer says, ”wo wo wo! Pump brakes! Hosmer money example of average player, big money! Padre signings example show big spends still makes crappy team!”
El Kabong
The Dodgers play 57 games against those three crappy teams 🙂
washington_bonercats
The Giants roster is miles ahead of SD and the D-Bags?? Yeah they’re coming off a down year and thinks aren’t looking bright necessarily but talent wise they’re only seconded by the dodgers in the division?
cecildawg
1600. Yes they are. The giants are worse.
Stig
Just read the totals from Vegas. The guys in the desert are never very far off.
mikeyank55
Larry has a hard time with addition and subtraction.
whynot 2
This awesome… arguing over who will be last. Please continue!
Saint Chris
If Preller hadn’t signed Hosmer last year, I belive that could have been a real possibility. Having 3 guys on 7-figure deals, is tough, though, even with all the pre-arb deals.
jenkmanvegas
I’m a die hard Giants fan, and yeah unfortunately they are worse than the DBacks
Oxford Karma
Both aces are legit. Got to see Rodriguez do it a little more. Neither 2 is a legit 2, but better than anyone SD currently has. If people are factoring age into it, then money is also substantially different.
Griffin Design
D’Backs were one of the best teams in the league 4/6 months last year even with terrible years from Souza and Lamb
imgman09
Good job 1600!I like people that do their homework rather than just blow hot air.If the Giants get hitting from the Outfield and stay healthy(as opposed to last year),they will make the Playoffs,Period!
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
No way the Giants are making the playoffs this year, and especially if they trade Bumgarner in July. A slow, aging and injury prone infield with a bunch of no-names in the outfield. Bumgarner could win the CY and Posey hit .400 and even that couldn’t help this sorry bunch.
canocorn
… Then Padres file for bankruptcy by year’s end.
mikeyank55
Are you going to buy the Padres Cano and then force the Mets to trade you to SD?
Long Duc Dong
And then sign babe Ruth
frankf
And then trade both to the Yankees or Angels for $ and fringe prospects next winter.
FishyHalo
I’m always pitying the Padres, I’d love to see them emerge and overthrow the Dodgers at the top of the NL West.
petrie000
And then you turn off the PlayStation and think ‘if only….’
larry48
what a laugh.LOLLOLLOL
trident
Maybe sign Bryce and trade their OF depth for a #1, #2 SP, or 3B? Not sure what the Padres are thinking here.
ChiSox_Fan
ChiSox will get one of them.
They will update their cash offers.
And they may be only team allowing Manny to play SS.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
ChiSox Fan: Phillies have the cheese to sign both, and they should absolutely spend that money. Phillies are also closer to playoff contention than the White Sox, although that AL Central looks pretty weak after Cleveland so who knows?
nowheretogobutup
I’d like to be the fly on the wall at this meeting, if they trade Myers they dump a large part of their payroll if they sign Harper or MM.
Dankgesang
If this happens I will never watch another dumb Cubs game as long as I live, except in case they are playing my team, The San Diego Padres.
Saint Chris
If Preller hadn’t signed Hosmer last year, I belive that could have been a real possibility. Having 3 guys on 7-figure deals is tough, though, even with all the pre-arb deals.
philliephan1
Keep on smokin.
Long Duc Dong
Then sign Babe Ruth
davidkaner
If they do, they can trade prospects for pitchers like Fulmer in Detroit who has obvious needs in the OF!
disadvantage
C’mon, Padres! Make baseball weird and sign both!
larry48
never spend the money , they are bottom feaders!!!!!!!!!!!!!
davidcoonce74
They shelled out 180 million dollars last season on one player.
damascusj
you spelled feeders wrong, illiterate.
astromariner
You didn’t start the sentence with a capital letter, illiterate.
dugdog83
Never use an apostrophe in a correction. You did not start the sentence…
A-
RedFeather
Never finish a sentence with three periods.
crazywarrior
“A-”
Lol dying
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Since you used a comma splice, it is an improper sentence.
Cubbie75
This is something up of which I will not put.
disadvantage
That’s what would make them signing both especially weird!
Swinging Friars
Seems odd. I remember several points in history where the Padres splurged. This team has fielded a lot of stars over the years. Anyone remember the late ’90s? No one believed we could attract the likes of Sheffield or McGriff or Vaughn or Kevin Brown or……. I can go on and on
They don’t spend year in and year out. However they have beefed up the roster when their window opens. Plus this new regime has already proven their willingness to spend. This is another false narrative being pushed by homers.
I would think positional need would stop them from signing Harper not money
davidcoonce74
Well, tbf, Sheffield was traded to the Padres for a bunch of junk and left as soon as he hit FA, McGriff was traded for Robbie Alomar and left as soon as he hit free agency. Greg Vaughn was traded to the Padres for a bunch of junk but did sign with them in free agency, only to then be traded for Reggie Sanders. Kevin Brown was a one-year rental, although he was absolutely terrific for the Padres. None of these players willingly came to SD and only one stuck around once he could go elsewhere.
The Padres were something like the fourth worst-spending team in baseball last season, by the ratio of payroll/revenue – only three teams spent less of their revenue, as a percentage, on payroll than SD did. That, to me, means they can and should spend now, while two of the best free-agents of all-time are on the market.
Swinging Friars
Vaughn and Brown were free agent signings. Spin it however you like. But this idea that stars don’t want to play in San Diego is absolutely a false narrative
Swinging Friars
You may not be from SD or missing the local sports page… There have been several write ups this year on Padre finances. They are spending, just not on the roster. They spent the most on international free agents just a year or two ago. They are paying down an enormous debt–payments are required by MLB. They have been spending a lot on stadium upgrades and fan experience.
Really, they have opened up their books more than most teams. It’s not a best case scenario for fans. But they have a plan and have shared it with their fans. They also seem to be right on schedule
beersy
Sheffield was traded to Florida for Hoffman+ and McGriff was traded to Atlanta for Nieves+. Neither of those players left via free agency.
davidcoonce74
Kevin Brown was traded to the Padres for Derrek Lee. He pitched one season with them and left for LA. Greg Vaughn was traded to the Padres for Bryce Florie. and Ron Villone. I think you’re misremembering; Vaughn did re-sign with SD in free agency.
davidcoonce74
Okay, I stand corrected. I forgot about Sheff and McGriff being traded.
Swinging Friars
Greg Vaughn
10-28-1996 Granted free agency (October 28, 1996).
12-19-1996 Signed by San Diego Padres (December 19, 1996). Guess he did want to play for San Diego?
Knit pick all you want, You just keep proving my points….
You can hate all you want, but the narrative is still false
davidcoonce74
I pointed out twice that Vaughn re-signed in SD as a free-agent, but he was acquired initially via trade. You also argued that Kevin Brown came to SD as a free agent, which he quite obviously did not.
Swinging Friars
The point isn’t really who is right about this group of players and how they became Padres…
The point was that the Padres have brought in star talent when needed. They just can’t keep up with the big 4 every year. I’m ok with that. About once a decade (which is really just about average with 30 teams) they get hot and ownership builds a winner for a few years. Really, it’s all a “small market” team can hope for
Swinging Friars
yeah I got 3 out of 4 wrong there. no bueno
back to class!
davidcoonce74
And I don’t think the narrative is true either; I just think, of those four players you mentioned, it was quite correct. All four of them were traded to the Padres and two of them were traded in their walk year and one of them re-signed with SD only to be traded a few years later. I don’t think SD is a problem landing spot for free agents, generally.
Swinging Friars
yeah I got 3 out of 4 wrong there. no bueno
back to class!
this got flagged earlier, not sure why.
davidcoonce74
No worries. Not sure why you’d have been flagged. I don’t think the Padres are a team that players stay away from at all. It’s a beautiful park and a great city.
southbeachbully
“while two of the best free-agents of all-time are on the market.”
That’s a bit of a reach. Arod, Clemens,Bonds, Manny, Pedro….all free agents that eventually signed elsewhere.
Juicemane 2019
Swinging Friars….
Probably thought you were me
Swinging Friars
You wouldn’t by chance be from Poway? your handle reminds me of a guy I grew up with
davidcoonce74
All much older than Harper and Machado
Swinging Friars
I think it’s fair. These just might be the two biggest FA names since A-Rod.
Their age makes 10 years a legit ask. The last time everyone agreed on a player deserving a long contract was A-Rod (his first mega contract extension)
SD in DC
July 31, 1996: Traded by the Milwaukee Brewers with a player to be named later to the San Diego Padres for Bryce Florie, Marc Newfield and Ron Villone. The Milwaukee Brewers sent Jerry Parent (minors) (September 16, 1996) to the San Diego Padres to complete the trade.
Forgot to post he was granted free agency by the Padres and resigned.
davidcoonce74
No, I grew up in La Mesa
Juicemane 2019
Vegas…grew up a 36 fan
DrDan75
Kevin Brown was NOT a free agent signing. He was traded to San Diego by the Marlins in 1998. Brown left the following year when the Dodgers threw money at him.
DrDan75
Kevin Brown was NOT a free agent signing. He was traded to San Diego by the Marlins. Brown signed with the Dodgers the following year.
coup
You might want to recheck your facts on McGriff being traded for Robbie Alomar. Never happened. And Alomar didn’t leave the Padres via free agency like you state.
davidcoonce74
From Baseball-Reference:
December 5, 1990: Traded by the Toronto Blue Jays with Tony Fernandez to the San Diego Padres for Roberto Alomar and Joe Carter.
davidcoonce74
And here’s the Alomar page on B-R:
December 5, 1990: Traded by the San Diego Padres with Joe Carter to the Toronto Blue Jays for Tony Fernandez and Fred McGriff.
October 30, 1995: Granted Free Agency.
December 21, 1995: Signed as a Free Agent with the Baltimore Orioles.
Swinging Friars
yikes. next time i’ll remember to google before i spout off..
On another note. Those were the good ole days! Alomar brothers were fun to watch and so were most of the Padres teams they played on
DarkSide830
that’s why they can; they have the money to spend
Nick Stevens
When are the Royals and Rays meeting with Harper?
davidcoonce74
I know you’re joking, but Royals fans here keep insisting the team will contend in 2019 so adding Machado or Harper would be really good for them. The Rays are one of the few MLB teams that can actually plead poverty, in large part because of their bad TV deal.
AnthonyDavisIsGoat23
But still the rays are better than 90% of the other teams in the league. Besides Boston Houston and Debate[dodgers cubs yankees]
davidcoonce74
Yes, because the Rays are one of the smartest teams in the league, with one of the most advanced front offices around and a huge analytics department.
dugdog83
The rays suck come on. At best they are 3rd best team in their division.
lasershow45
Well when the 1st place team wins the WS, and the 2nd place team was the 2nd best team last year…being in 3rd doesn’t sound all that bad.
crazywarrior
They were only 1 game from the wild caaaaad last year
flippinbats79
No they weren’t. Oakland won 97 and they won 90. I’m not sure how that is 1 game
Nick Stevens
Royals fans are delusional if they think they will compete in 2019
davidcoonce74
I agree but somehow they really believe they will jump from 58 to 90 wins in a season
davidcoonce74
Oh hell yes. As a Padres fan I would love it if they actually used some of those profits and landed one of these guys. I personally like Harper more than Machado but I’m also not a greedy fan.
BrewCrew1302
impossible to be considered a “greedy fan” when you cheer for the Padres
Swinging Friars
Padres fans are probably closer to martyr than greedy
FishyHalo
Holy Padre moly.
Would love to see Harper in SD. Man, Harper playing with all those upcoming studs, this should scare every Dodgers fans core.
marijuasher
Don’t you think most Dodgers fans are looking forward to some real divisional competition? Especially from down south?
I, for one, do. So that messes up your entire theory.
BlueSkyLA
Yep. And another incentive for Dodger fans is knowing the only thing that will get our FO off dead-center on trades or signings they can and should make is the possibility off real competition within the division.
crazywarrior
I like the way you think
petefrompp
Giants fan here- I’m all in for the Padres to be a good as possible- if the NL West was the most competitive division in MLB I would be happy.
Would love for all those Padres games to be epic battles- of course that mens the Gmen need t get better as well.
Juicemane 2019
The Dodgers played game 163 with the Rockies last year for the division
And the year before that they lost something like 16 of 17 games and nearly blew a huge lead
…so what you said doesn’t make any sense.
Did you even know that as a fan? lol
kenleyfornia2
No one is scared of the Padres. The Dodgers have a decent farm to add to a proven major league core. Padres are all farm. Even with Harper they aren’t scary
Swinging Friars
Remember that as they play spoilers this year! Nothing better than watching the mighty Dodgers fall to the Padres in September
;0)
corey5kersh22
You know your team is bad when your fans are talking about playing spoiler in September…and we’re still in January. Smh lol
hiflew
Yeah the Dodgers are probably not going to be scared of ANY team that has only been to the playoffs 5 times in 50 years regardless of what their AA team looks like. It’s not like the Dodgers aren’t going to still be spending nearly $200 million IF the Padres start trying to win. And I seriously doubt the Giants will be down for long.
simplysquale
So basically these guys will sign in September… probably with a contender.
PinstripedPride
They’re not getting both. They may not get either one. But it certainly would be fun to see San Diego pull an “Eric Hosmer” again
mooshimanx
They probably won’t get either but at least they are trying.
Harper does love it in SD and was married at the temple here.
damascusj
padres currently sit with their roster at under 60m, and hosmers contract is front loaded…, they vould get both and still be under league average spending
Strike Four
“They’re not getting both. ”
Can you please explain why you say stuff like that? You cannot predict ANY of this!!!
Android Dawesome
We are living in a world where many think their opinion is fact. Makes it hard to have any real debate.
PinstripedPride
Based on their previous history and their tendency to act as a small market team, it would be entirely unlike the Padres to sign two superstars like that. Besides, free agents aren’t exactly clamoring to go to San Diego when the offseason hits. Sure it’s a beautiful city but the team doesn’t have a winning tradition
Solaris601
Is Eric Hosmer worth what SD is paying him? No, but right now his best attribute is that he’s NOT Chris Davis. Everyone in San Diego should be thanking God for that.
pinkerton
well, geographically, closer to home for Harper.
I don’t care where he goes or Manny. I just want the season to start now.
paulnewman
I suspect Harper is the target, and the Machado rumors are a pressure tactic. There were rumors in SD of Preller meeting with Boras and Harper early in the offseason.
Brixton
Think Machado to play 3B would be best case for them
larry48
neither is target , it’s Padres acting like there in on everybody and will sign no one . So they can con there fans and baseball again.
damascusj
your spelling errors are atrocious
BlueSkyLA
Your punctuation leaves a lot to be desired.
Are we having fun yet?
canocorn
Spel cheek maiks speling errers unposible.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Run! It’s the punctuation police!
BlueSkyLA
Feet back and spread ’em buddy, and don’t touch that apostrophe until I say you can!
Swinging Friars
I’m feeling triggered….. Can I ditch this english class too?
BrewCrew1302
Shows how smart teams are becoming, and how overrated both Harper and Manny truly are. The bad outweigh the good with them. Beginning of the offseason all we heard was “Phillies, Dodgers, Yankees, 10 year deals, 300 million? record contracts” lol now its “the lonely padres have a chance to sign one of these guys.” Should have taken the original offer with the Nats. Best he is going to get. Who knows if that offer is still on the table or not…
Solaris601
If that WAS offer did exist God only knows how much of it was deferred. Nats should be thanking Harper for not accepting it.
Bluemarlin528
Mr Boris is stirring the pot again. If Padre fans think they will get a discount on Harper think again, its going to take 300 mil plus….
arc89
A non contending team will need to over pay for Harper.
sdfriarfan
Not if nobody else wants him. There hasn’t been much written about teams clamoring after him.
Swinging Friars
Let’s be careful here please. This is how we got the Hosmer “deal”
I like Hosmer and am fine with that contract. But it was far from a discount. OP is right, Boras doesn’t do discounts. He may come down on his price but it won’t be considered a discount—-he’s still getting paid hansomley
davidcoonce74
The Hosmer deal was a massive mistake; he’s a below-average hitter for a first baseman and a below-average defender. Without that contract the Padres could have so easily opened the wallets for Harper or Machado.
Swinging Friars
do you ever get tired of this constant Hosmer trolling??
davidcoonce74
I’ll be tired of it in about 8 years
Grizalt
If “nobody else wants him” then signing him for any amount would be an overpay.
SoxPow
Such a below-average defender, it’s not like he won 4 gold gloves!
davidcoonce74
Yeah, good gloves are silly. Look at the numbers or, better yet, watch him. No range. Can’t read pop ups.
megaj
I was thinking 8 years at 260 with a couple of player opts and at least one team opt. If the Pads can do that, then I think Machado and Harper both have to consider going for it. I saw Manny as a perfect fit, I was a bit surprised to see them meet with Harper.
Swinging Friars
I’m kind of thinking that either the price dropped or the Padres are one of the few teams willing to go 10 years. Which probably would still require the price to drop…
What if the Padres are offering these guys something like $25m/10 years with all kinds of escalators and opt outs around year 4?
Could be a steal while at the same time giving the guys what they want if they perform
BrewCrew1302
I cannot see any big free agent resorting to the Padres. Dodgers will run the West for quite some time..
Stig
A 4th grader can win games with a 1/4 of a billion $ a year.
canocorn
… Bubble, bubble, … Toil and trouble
MiserablePadreFan
Plenty of room on this wagon – jump aboard everyone!!!
Strike Four
Go for gold Preller, don’t be a coward: get Harper, Kluber, Manny, Keuchel, Realmuto and Kimbrel.
curlydub
That the Padres are the only NL team other than the Phillies to be legitimately connected to Harper and Machado is strange. Maybe even a little concerning?
PhanaticDuck26
defintely concerning…the big spenders have already made other arrangements (Dodgers w/Pollock; Nats w/Corbin) and other would-be NL suitors are already saddled with poor long-term investments (Cubs & Giants). I could easily see the Cards gettin in on this action and I’ll never count out a LAD/WAS sneak attack in which they blow past the luxury tax to get Harper. Kinda seems like the Phils are the only big-market NL team that planned ahead for these guys by avoiding conflicting long-term commitments…
stymeedone
Planned ahead? By being terrible for years? What A Plan!
Nego
They didn’t avoid long term commitments. They just had so many bad ones it took time for them to re-set (Howard, Utley, Hamels). Even last year they were trying to throw their money around (Santana, Arrieta).
Bunselpower
Hence why so many GM’s are hesitant to hand out another contract like that! It’s like they learn or something.
ChiSoxCity
S.D. would have to outbid Chicago and Philadelphia for either player. I don’t see that happening.
petfoodfella
Sunny San Deigo w/ #1 farm team, or dreary violent Chicago?
SD please.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
And San Diego is also a fairly conservative city which would suit Harper just fine.
ChiSoxCity
How’s all that “sunshine” worked out for the Padres with FAs in the past? It’s summer EVERYWHERE during the season.
chop246
Wait I thought Philly was gonna sign Harper, Machado, Kimbrel Kluber, Trout and Jt. I’m so confused???
arc89
No it was NYY that was going to sign all of them according to ESPN. Unfortunately for them NYY doesn’t need them as badly as the media want them to go there.
Strike Four
Espn saying Harper and Manny to NYY for literal YEARS.
Pax vobiscum
No. Unlike other teams they have explored each of the aforementioned players.
Chicks Dig the Longball
Of course they are.
Pax vobiscum
No one will offer Harper more real non-deferred money than the Phillies. Without the benefit of inside knowledge, it really seems that neither Harper nor Machado want to sign there. Really who can blame them after the sh%$$ show ending to last season and the lack of elite talent at the MLB level. Someone, either on this site or another, suggested that the Phillies need to reboot their re-build possibly by selling off Nola and Hoskins. I’m not sure at this point if that’s not the better option.
PhanaticDuck26
glad you’re not the GM.. no “reboot” necessary; youve got enough talent to compete so long as some veterans are plugged into areas of weakness, which the Phils have done with Cutch, Segura, and Robertson so far. Another big move is coming and that will make the offense significantly more potent than last year’s, which showed its lack of depth and inability to drive in runs during the final 2 months of last season.
AndyMeyer
Lack of elite talent? Aaron Nola come to mind?
DadsInDaniaBeach
Pax, pretty much the worst idea seen written here in some time.
Wolf Hoffmann
The poor Padres, always a bridesmaid and never the bride. It is hilarious how excited their fans get over every ridiculous possibility. So hungry.. so desperate.
stymeedone
Your fav team probably doesnt even get the rumors. so sad.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Poor Wolf, looking for his pack but unable to find them. Did you check the den? They never came back? Oh, so sorry Wolf.
damascusj
so to your logic, we should just mever get ezcited
Z-A 2
This feels like some version of the Rooney Rule for cheapskate markets. Like a a league mandate that forces teams to talk with legitimate free agents talk about numbers about 1/2 of what they’re expecting and say to the league offices – See we held the interview, didn’t work out. Went with this guy for 750k.
terror661
Once again. Who wouldn’t love to live in SD? Gorgeous place. Great food. Great people. Who cares if they win or don’t win for a few years? Bryce will still be good when the farm comes up. I’d rather have him than Machado all day.
BrewCrew1302
id rather have a grilled cheese
terror661
That sounds good right now actually.
Strike Four
SD is boring and the Padres are one of the worst franchises in American sports with zero titles and one legendary player in 50 years.
davidcoonce74
One legendary player in 50 years? Which of these two are you leaving out: Gwynn, Hoffman or Winfield?
zippytms
Also Junior Seau, LaDanian Tomlinson, Philip Rivers…
ChiSoxCity
The Chargers left (and nobody in SD cared).
Pax vobiscum
Harper will have an out clause after 2 years anyway so why wouldn’t he catch some rays, drink a little wine and eat some cheese in some beautiful SO Cal weather.
davidcoonce74
Bryce Harper is Mormon and doesn’t drink. There is a large Mormon population in San Diego; that’s where I am from and I became a Mormon there.
Swinging Friars
I know plenty of Mormons that drink….. some even smoke!
worthington
Oh I’m sure that will e key. NOT. Hello, it’s $$$$$$$$ and $$$$$$ only.
davidcoonce74
Harper and his wife have been on numerous shows talking about food (Harper’s a nutrition freak) and that neither of them drink alcohol at all.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
That’s why he wraps shopping bags around his head….
RATTY
Ya gotta do what ya gotta do in a soft market….Go Rockstar get them both!
SupremeZeus
Trick-Roll trap?
agn1
Park would suppress his numbers, so the Pads had better be prepared to shell for a lot of years.
Strike Four
Padres will bring the fences in at some point.
Chicks Dig the Longball
Bring the fences in to 200 ft. Harper hits 160 hrs a year
Strike Four
No roids either!!! Bye bye Bonds! lol
sdfriarfan
Nearly everyone would hit 160 hrs.
Swinging Friars
They did that a few years ago
Ryan W
Already happened
Z-A 2
I wish our Avatars were larger. I cant barely see mine… Ruben Amaro Jr. playing Pokemon with Carlos Ruiz over contract negotiations saying “He beat me, straight up, pay that man his money”
Chicks Dig the Longball
No one cares
Z-A 2
You cared enough to reply. Avatar envy.
sascoach2003
“Rounders” comment…+1 upvote…
Goose
If the Padres could sign them for a one year, big money deal it would be genius. You sign them a contract and guarantee a pick coming back when they walk after the season.
Padres2019ha
So spend $70 mil for 2 comp picks?? Only makes sense if we sign them for more than 5+ years before any opt outs
nmc420theambassador
preller, stahp…. JFC
marcoL
FA market is crazy. FO finally figured out how to screw up players, I mean decent players. I bet we’ll soon to see the fight between millionaires and billionaires ended up no games for us.
philsphan1979
As a Phillies fan, I am getting to the point where I am beginning to dislike BH, and will boo him if he ends up signing with the Phillies. The Phillies need to pass on Harper and Machado and sign Jones, Kimbrel and Keuchel and call it a wrap. Wait for 2020 for the big kahuna WHO ACTUALLY wants to play in red pinstripes
Pax vobiscum
No to Keuchel and no to Kimbrel, both of whose peripherals show they are about ready to fall off a cliff.
AndyMeyer
You will boo Bryce Harper if he comes and plays here in Philly?
rebel-at-heart
Knowing Philly fans, if he comes there, half the stadium will boo him the first time he strikes out, after all the hype (and money spent). I don’t think he heard a single “boo” the whole time he was in Washington. I would think plenty of nats fans (including myself) would feel pretty betrayed if he signed with Philly. Not that any of this would matter to Bryce I’m guessing
raef715
you dont know what part of it is Bryce and what part is Boras, so you’re just going to have to mature a bit and stifle your natural inclination to boo.
This is just Boras trying to get Middleton to fork over a little more stupid money before its over, nothing more.
Relax.
HartnellDown
Leverage.
sufferforsnakes
Any team that pays Harper $30 million+ is insanely dumb.
canadianyankee
And quite wealthy!
TJECK109
This just shows you how out of whack MLB is. Weeks from ST and 2 of the games best players remain unsigned. Every other league the top players are signed first day of FA. Perhaps it’s time to look at the idea of a cap. Having a cap will immediately determine who will and won’t be able to sign a player.
Bunselpower
So the thing holding the wealthier teams back is a luxury tax, which is a soft cap. And you are saying that the solution here is a harder cap?
If anything, the existing cap needs to go.
LordBanana
It’s more owners realizing they can put a subpar product on the field, still make 100s of millions of dollars, and people will blame and complain that the players are the ones that are greedy.
2nd City 2nd Team
Not sure I understand the justification of “in 4 years the money will be down to under $50M)…that assumes that Padres actually think they can win a division and beat a team like the Yankees or BoSox or Astros and on and on with that investment…In 4 years you are also looking at a 30/31yo Harper and a 34/35yo Hosmer…also hard to believe anyone will take that Wil Meyers contract either so what? the window is 4 years then? How much of the system goes away to make trades for deadline pieces and risk ending back up where you started? Giants will be better in 4 years, dodgers should remain competitive, and ARI should be back from a rebuild by then….
Steve Adams
There’s nothing indicating that their “window” is in four years. It’s merely a fact that the financial element will be reduced around that time, which would align with the arbitration timelines of Tatis, Urias, etc.
The window to win would clearly be in the nearer-term, given the cheap pre-arb talent on the rise, but the backloaded nature of Hosmer’s contract and expiring Myers deal make this more feasible than a long-term deal would be if Harper earned $13MM in years one through three and then saw that salary jump to $21MM.
Wolverines2
Tatis, Urias, and a ton of young, talented pitchers. It is clearly not a 4 year window.
bhambrave
Wouldn’t it be awesome if SD signed Machado and Harper, traded Myers and prospects to Cleveland (paying half of Myers’ contract) for Kluber, and traded for Realmuto?
Steve Adams
I highly doubt the Indians would trade Kluber for Myers if San Diego agreed to pay all of Myers’ contract.
bhambrave
Some other OF then. It was a pie in the sky comment. And it wasn’t just Myers. There would be prospects also.
Myers was worth 2.4 bWAR last year. Wouldn’t that be worth 10-11M?
Swinging Friars
why are comments with zero insults or curse words being flagged? Awaiting moderation????
DId I get flagged for using spell check?
Grizalt
If Myers is traded to CLE it’s for Jason Kipnis and the Padres still probably have to include prospects. He is not going to be involved in a Kluber trade.
Swinging Friars
I get why Padres fans are upset about Myers… However the guy can rake! Cleveland seems to be a decent fit if they can get SD to pay some money too
Plus the farm is stacked, I’m sure there are a few kids the Indians would like on top of Myers
I hope Kipnis is a joke. Maybe the Mets could use another 2nd baseman???
Padres2019ha
Been saying this for months. Probable, no. Impossible, no. We only have $49 mil on the books of rostered players, and we have the prospect/controllable young ready mlbrs capital to make both trades…and still have one of the best farms.
hockeyjohn
It would have to include significant money and highly rated prospects to get Cleveland to take Myers. Swinging Friars, how much money and what prospects are you talking about for Kluber? I would like to see what a Padre fan would think is a fair deal? Besides, latest word is that Cleveland is unlikely to trade a pitcher unless they are bowled over.
Swinging Friars
I think you would have to raise your opinion of Myers as much as I would need lower mine of the Padre prospects…
I’m not really sure. I don’t see why the Indians would want to trade Kluber, if I get to dream I would prefer Bauer. That said I could see a fit for Myers. An AL team that could stick him at DH a few days a week would probably have the best shot at getting a full year out of him. I think that would change everything
I’m also the last Padre homer you want to ask about prospects. I’d prefer they sign Machado, trade 2 OF’ers for whatever they can get, and let the youngsters come up and pitch over the next 2 seasons. Maybe look at someone like Cole next year… So I wouldn’t want to move anyone in our top 7
Kluber is definitely worth more than the offers that pop up around here though
hockeyjohn
Thank you for your honest reply, Swinging Friars. My opinion of Myers is tainted by his contract from 2020 and beyond. He is not worth that contract and it is not one a small market team like Cleveland needs to take on.
Cleveland has limited money to add to fix this year’s team and has definite needs in the outfield and bullpen. Starting pitching is their strength, They looked into trading a pitcher to find pieces that can help now and help extend their window. They have Carrasco signed to a very team friendly deal and Clevinger and Bieber are both still pre arbitration so none of those three were available. So that means Kluber or Bauer. They also have stated that they wanted a Chris Sale type of return. They also won’t trade him unless they get what they want.
My problem with the Padres is that I am not a fan of your outfielders, Renfroe and Margot have underperformed to date. Reyes looks to be a future DH and we have already discussed Myers. I love the prospects and they would have to carry the deal for me to be happy with a trade with the Padres, I would not expect to get Tatis,Gore, or possible Urias, but others in your top 7 would be in consideration in a Kluber trade.
I don’t like the idea of trading Kluber, but I understand Cleveland’s reasoning. I would support the trade only if the package helps improve this year’s team and beyond, Even with a trade, they would still have one of the best starting pitching staffs in baseball. .
Thank you for your honest response and good discussion.
Swinging Friars
I’d be scared of losing the next Kluber..
I think the best deal here would be for the Padres to give up any OF the Indians want along with any bullpen arm they want. And I would hope that the remaining prospects that would need to be included, 2 or 3, would be super young.
Koamalu
With the Indians needs any trade for Kluber or any other starter would have to be headlined by a major league OF. Renfroe is probably the best fit. .805 OPS and 26 HR in just 403 AB.
Koamalu
Renfroe’s .805 OPS would have been 2nd to Brantley on the Indians in 2018 and none of the Indians current OF broke .700 last year.
hockeyjohn
I think Cleveland would look for the best prospects possible with one major league or near major league ready pitcher that can slot in replacing Kluber in the Indians rotation. Any trade for Kluber is going to hurt. Will it hurt too much for the Padres to do is very likely.
Swinging Friars
100% A good trade should hurt on both sides
Padres have a bunch of young arms a year or two away from the bigs. Even if you look outside of their top 10…..There are a bunch of talented arms
One thing I’m curious about. The Indians have a great rotation with 2 stellar arms waiting to find a spot And Salazar coming back. How big of a need is a starter right now? Maybe two A-ballers would be a better fit?
hockeyjohn
I don’t think you can count on Salazar if you were the Indians. What you get from him will be a bonus. Also you can never have enough pitching in my eyes.. McKenzie, their top prospect, had 1/2 of a year at AA and not likely to be ready in 2019. He will likely replace Bauer’s spot in the rotation as Bauer has only two years left. Who are the two stellar arms that you are referring to?
Swinging Friars
The ones who came up last year. Sophomore slumps are real but those kids looked legit
Beiber and Clevinger? Not positive right now….got a lil wakey bakey going ;0)
edit: Guess they already have spots… Was thinking that they made Kluber and Bauer expendable?
hockeyjohn
The success of Clevinger and the promise of Bieber is why they considered a trade for a pitcher. If they trade a pitcher the fifth spot would likely go to Adam Plutko or Cody Anderson who is coming off surgery. From what we are hearing, Salazar will not be ready at the start of the year. That is why they would want a young pitcher that is MLB ready in any trade.
Pax vobiscum
The players have a right to squeeze every cent that they can from team ownership groups. Its a high stakes game of chicken. The owners and players and agents just have to realize that they’re simultaneously waltzing to a prolonged lock-out/strike when the CBA expires.
its_happening
Clearly the Padres are motivated to get that 3rd place in the NL West. Gotta hand it to them.
Wolverines2
Not a one year plan homie…
its_happening
Sure
ScottRC
Hopefully he’ll sign somewhere by July.
Oxford Karma
Preller is a wild card, so hopefully he makes a big move or two. MLB needs to establish salary floor, and tax teams that live below it, dollar for dollar. Having over 100 free agents still out there, when only 7-10 teams will have any real shot to compete, is an embarrassment to sports.
marcoL
There are numerous ways to decide the player’s value (cybermetrics) even in their early times these days. Teams have to pay them adequately otherwise MLB will keep losing star players like Kyler Murray to NFL and other sports. 3 years of MLB service time with minimum wage is too long
Braveslifer
I know y’alls propensity to bash comments on here, but oh well, I’m putting this out there. The Marlins will get Inciarte, Flowers, Fried OR Soroka for Realmuto (OK Flowers and Inciarte but not sure the arm that has to go, I just went out on a limb because I am an armchair GM, and not a good one at that). Then the Braves sign Harper.
LongBeachPadre
Everyone is talking about overpaying free agents, but the thing is a team has to acquire talent. You either don’t spend money or spend it and get better. I’d argue that Machado and Harper are better than Sale, Rendon, and Arenado because they are younger.
bigdaddyhacks
My favorite part about the Padres is that they make people forgot how badly the mariners where run.
tiredolddude
Anywhere but NY, Boston, LA or Chicago. It’s likely a pipe dream, but this ‘rich get richer’ theme that exists in MLB make free agency a joke.
ChiSoxCity
The White Sox don’t get “rich” off FAs. Neither have the Cubs. You got us confused with NY, LA and Boston clubs.
blackleather
the Padres have backed themselves into a corner. Name a player that garnered ANY sort of credible attention this offseason, and they’ve claimed to be “players” for that guy. Stroman, Thor, Kluber, Gray, Andujar, Machado, Suarez, Harper, etc…and yet, NOTHING has come to fruition, with a trade worth talking about. So, all they’re doing is turning off, fans. I mean, the way to avoid that is to set your sights on a desired player, according to what your need is, and cease with all this rumor mill crap with all the other players. But they seem to be obsessed with all this flying around and having secret meetings and conversations. So, I hope they’re ready to hear from fans LOUD and CLEAR, when it becomes clear their 3rd baseman is Ty France and Wil Myers is STILL in San Diego.
SDDon
The Talking Heads claim we are in on every player. Most teams make inquiries, float possible packages for trades. We are not going to dump our farm system for couple of players.
Yes we have allot of very good prospects, that many teams want to steal, thinking we are desperate. We are not, it is not like we went all in before the season, and make bad trade deadline deals when your 2 games out and your ACE just went on the DL, NOW THAT IS PRESSURE.
blackleather
Instead of getting into a back and forth, I’ll just say this: MOST of these prospects will NEVER see the light of day on a 25 man roster with their parent club, the Padres. So when you give the canned response that says “we’re not going to use up our farm system on a couple of players”…oh, yes you will. You may not use it up on two really good players, but you’ll use it up for a tick below a handful. Because teams are not giving up their better players for less than that.Why do you think the Marlins gave been so stubborn?
Swinging Friars
Galvis is a perfect example. You can only protect so many prospects… Might as well use them as capital. Even if it only gets you a stop gap. It’s better than losing that talent in the Rule 5
Grizalt
De Los Santos would have been protected had they kept him
retire21
When you capitalized Talking Heads, I got excited.
Life During Wartime
Psycho Killer
And She Was
Wild Wild Life
Awesome!
Swinging Friars
Cross Eyed and Painless
Nothing But Flowers
Naive Melody
:0) me too
Kwflanne
Unfortunately….. I agree. I am, and always have been, of the opinion that A.J. Preller belongs in scouting, minor league development, etc. NOT in the GM role or in any control of major league roster decisions. Let’s have a look at the “big signings” under Preller…. James Shields, yikes. Ok let’s sign Myers to an extension at 1B, the future, and the face of our franchise….. yikes. Ok let’s sign Eric Hosmer, jump start our timeline to contend, we are close…. lays an egg last year, yikes. Credit where it’s due, identifying hidden gems (Tatis jr, brad hand to name a few) in other teams systems, and international signings (although that’s more of a numbers than a scouting thing…. you can sign Ona, Morejon, Baez, etc etc etc and hope a couple turn out ok.) but I think there has been terrible roster management at the major league level… Hosmer signing being perhaps the biggest one, pushing Myers off the ONLY position he has stayed healthy at and performed at least close to his projections (not to mention he has stated he is essentially bored in the outfield). In case people don’t remember, the ORIGINAL timeline to compete, was 2018-2019…. anyone think the Padres will be competing this year? Haha. Stop drinking the kool-aid folks!! I understand being a fan, and trying to be optimistic…. but its also ok to be a fan and have a logical understanding of the state of the team, and realistic expectations
Swinging Friars
That last sentence is fine.
2018 was never thrown out there by management. Maybe pre 2015. But since they blew up the roster in 2016….. no one has said 2018 besides fans on sites like these
He messed up with Shields signing, sure. But are you going to argue that Tatis didn’t get to SD via the Shields trade? Started as a mistake turned out to be Gold
Myers was a talent he couldn’t turn down at a time when the roster had almost no talent
Hosmer was signed for a lot more than his bat. Remember most people were complaining about Myers’ defense at first base at the end of the year. And like it or not…..leadership is a quality a gm needs to look for in at least one player. Hosmer fit that bill perfectly. So much of the young talent are Latino. Hosmer can at least speak their language. Not to mention his glove will be needed to assist Tatis and Urias (those two hopefully will be running down balls all over the field & could use a vacuum at 1b). Lastly – Hosmer fills the vacant role of team ambassador. Again no one wants to give the roll any credit, but every team needs a face to promote the team and do the community stuff
Let Preller have a fair chance. He built a great farm in 2 years. 2 years. So far so good. Let’s save this conversation for 3 years from now when his system starts to mature.
He has done a tremendous job so far. Sure it plays to his scouting skills (building a farm). However when you succeed like that at the first step you deserve to stick around for steps 2 & 3
Kwflanne
I keep seeing people start the “Preller clock” in 2016… so are we just going to forget about the 2015 season? Because THAT is when he blew up the roster. That is when he traded tre turner (major leaguer), joe Ross (major leaguer), Zach Efflin (major leaguer), and so on and so on. That’s the year he took on kemp’s salary, which he then turned into hector oliveras salary, etc etc. I don’t give him a “pass” that year, like some people seem to do. It makes zero sense.
As for Tatis, I never said I didn’t give him credit for that. In fact, I applauded his ability to find gems in other teams systems and specifically mentioned Tatis and hand as two examples, did you miss that? But regardless, that falls in line with him his scouting abilities I praised, and not his major league roster construction and free agent signings…. THAT was shields. Which was a complete bomb. Period.
Now as for Hosmer, just like people give Preller a pass on 2015, I keep seeing people talk about Hosmers “leadership”. That’s great. But if you think his leadership is worth the contract they gave him, you are just flat out wrong. A.J. Ellis was lauded for his leadership. Freddy Galvis was lauded for his leadership AND helped EXTREMELY with the glove…. where are their 144 million contracts? The simple fact is, the leadership stuff is a great bonus, but he is paid to produce. Plain and simple. And he did not. Not only that, we have out the largest contract in Padres history to a position we had JUST SIGNED a injury prone (when playing outfield) Myers to be the future at, this pushing Myers back to the outfield…. and surprise surprise…. injured.
Next, Preller has built a farm system in two years??? Please note: Preller was hired in fall of 2014…. we are now in 2019. A general manager can beginning building a minor league system immediately, which he did by getting rid of the above mentioned prospects. That is 4 1/2 years. Not two.
He also is responsible for getting rid of De Los Santos, a good pitching prospect (who is now a great pitching prospect on philly) for a one year rental of Freddy Galvis. It was flat out HORRIBLE management. There was NO reason for last year to make that trade instead of just sign some garbage filler like Aybar again.
Lastly…. give him 2-3 more years?? 2014-2022…. 8 years (depending on the month you start the clock)…. 8 years to start seeing improvement?? I can only hope you were joking about that.
Preller was hired in fall of 2014. There is NO denying the current status of our minor league prospects. That being said, there is also NO denying a complete lack of progress at the major league level. If anything, they have digressed and created logjams at positions that are now hindering development of young players who need consistent at bats (roster management).
I’ve had a million conversations about this with people. The only thing they end up hanging their hat on is “our farm system is rated number one”. That’s great. I have season tickets to the Padres. Not the Lake Elsinore Storm. Preller hasn’t only had 2 seasons, like you mentioned. He doesn’t get a pass until 2016. He was hired in 2014. That’s when his job started.
Grizalt
The White Sox didn’t know what they had in Tatis. If they were willing to include him in a trade for overpaid aging James Shields I’m sure Preller could have found another way to get him if not for the Shields signing. But since we’re talking hindsight here what he should have done was signed Tatis in the first place back in 2015.
“Leadership” and “team ambassador” are not things you pay $144m for.
Grizalt
Galvis trade likely won’t have much of an effect one way or another (I think de los Santos is a bust even with his performance at AAA last year) but it is a perfect example of Preller’s lack of a plan. I’ve heard all the excuses people make for that trade and I just don’t get it. They talk about how much he would help their groundball oriented starters yet Clayton Richard and Luis Perdomo both tanked in 2018. They talk about how the Padres can sign him but they didn’t have to trade for him to do that and clearly were never interested in giving him the contract/role that he wanted after 2018.
Swinging Friars
I don’t give him a pass for 2015. I did enjoy the chit out of that offseason and even in the regular season too. He went for it, can’t really hate on him for that. He spent a bunch and turned out he was wrong.
He then proceeded to regroup and plan for the future. Yes in 2016. He traded a ton of prospects in 2015 and started building his own system in 2016. This was done after getting scolded by ownership for spending on a chit team… He was given a plan for getting his books cleared and he then embarked on the rebuild mid 2016. So yes, while it is 2019 already…we are just in the first month! He spent half of 2016 and all of ’17 & ’18 rebuilding the farm with the new target date of ’20/’21
Hosmer didn’t produce last year with the bat. No arguments there. But can you honestly say that he had any help at all? Even the best hitters in the league have table setters in front and power protection behind. Hosmer had none of that. I expect his offensive numbers to climb upward as the lineup becomes more talented
De Los Santos is a good prospect. Far from the best. Not even the best in the Phillies system. This seems like a big overreaction. Time will tell
Prellar was not fired from Texas. He was still employed by the Rangers when the Padres interviewed him for the gm job
There isn’t much progress at the mlb level right now because the attention is elsewhere. They are rebuilding the team and restructuring their debt
So far the farm that Preller has built is top notch. I have no problems hanging my hat on that. There is every reason to believe Preller deserves a shot at seeing this thing through
That’s fine about Preller not getting a pass….. no argument here. He should be held accountable. But with that should also come the accomplishments too. He failed out of the gates. Since 2016 he gets an A+ from this Padre fan
padreforlife
92 games under .500 = A+ that’s a joke
Kwflanne
I never said Preller was fired from Texas. Not sure where that came from…
And an A+ since 2016?? If that is your honest grade, then you must just be another blind loyalty type. And that’s fine…. but it isn’t reality. If you want to give him an A+ in the category of minor league system rankings…. go ahead, no argument on that. But his grade is as general manager, and his job encompasses A LOT more than where mlb.com ranks our farm system. It has to do with the money he spends properly on the major league field (Myers, shields, Hosmer…. all bad contracts so far). It has to do with roster construction and making sure the “young prospects” that come up have a spot to play, regularly, and continue to develope. There have been logjams all over the diamond for the Padres…. and now they are discussin Harper and Realmulto…. at positions that are NOT a need. Ability to assemble a starting rotation?? Or at least something resembling a rotation?? Bryan Mitchell? Luis Perdomo getting more chances than anybody in history deserves? There is no…. no…. NO way he gets an A+ as a GENERAL MANAGER. We just had a 96 loss season for crying out loud. Come on man…. haha
Swinging Friars
No one said this would be painless
The answer to all of these questions are in my first two posts..
SDDon
This so called talk is to hear Boras out, look at the 400 page BOOK he had his staff assemble showing Harper’s attributes tell him we will think it over.
The whole purpose of this is to get Machado to the table to meet. We don’t need another OF at all, in fact we want to dump Myers as we have 4 guys better than Myers in Renfroe, Reyes, Margot, and Cordero.
Offer Manny 8 years at $216 MILL!!!
beersy
Currently the Padres have only one projected starter that bats left and no one to man 3rd. This is the issue, if they sign Harper he adds to an already over crowded OF situation, but adds a much needed left handed bat. If they sign Machado, he fills the hole at 3rd, but makes the lineup even more right handed. I realize when you are talking about players, and contracts like this, lineup construction is forgotten, but back in 2015 when the Padres were the darlings of the Winter Meetings, every player they acquired was right handed and come the regular season, it really showed.
Of course, I do not see the Padres signing either one f these guys, and to be honest, I don’t know which one I would rather them sign, but at least this gives us Padre fans something to think/dream about.
28rings
If / when he and Machado ever sign, mlbtraderumors servers are going to overheat.
manos
Padres shock the world and sign Harper, Machado, Kimbrel, Keuchel and trade for Realmuto and Straily lol
fatty5
Sign Machado, $25M per.
Trade Myers for salary relief and a prospect
Trade Mejia for Realmuto
Kinsler (2b), Hosmer (1b), Machado (3b), Realmuto (c), Reyes (lf), Renfroe (rf), Urias (ss), Margot (cf), P
Brixton
If machado would sign for 25M, he would have signed months ago
Guest617
he has none else to blame but himself – why wouldn’t he not have problems?
Strike Four
Machado & Harper – 10/300 each
Keuchel – 4/80
Kluber – 3/51
Realmuto – 2/18ish
Adds $106M to payroll. Current payroll is about $72M subtract who gets traded (Renfroe, Hedges, Mejia, non-Tatis or Gore prospects etc) so its probably around $170M payroll. Thats top 5 in MLB level, but it if SDs owners really wanted to show they were serious and even quell a strike in doing so, they possibly could.
mhdunbar99
Love the aggressive, proactive style of AJ Preller. Padres will be a force very soon….very exciting. It will especially help quell the foul stench of Spanos that permeates San Diego sports!
Swinging Friars
100%
SanDiegoTom
The time is now for the Padres to really grab ahold of the sports market in San Diego. Only pro level team in town. Spanos sucks!
canadianyankee
Ah San Diego, breathe it in…Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale’s vagina. I’m sorry, I was trying to impress you. I don’t know what it means. I’ll be honest, I don’t think anyone knows what it means anymore.
nmc420theambassador
scholars maintain that the translation was lost hundreds of years ago
basquiat
Bryce isn’t going to play in San Diego.
bhambrave
Depends on where he goes. If he’s a Phillie, he’ll play there a few times a year. If he’s in the AL East or with the ChiSox then I agree with you.
jorge78
Bargain hunting…..
Padres458
5 years 100m. All I’m willing to go on a guy who cant beat the shift. Or field.
carlos15
These guys thought the Yankees and BoSox and Dodgers were all gonna be outbidding each other for their services. Now they have to pick through a bunch of teams they don’t want to play for.
WideWorldofSports
Most of these teams are just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. Sign Manny and they’ll still be going nowhere fast..
Swinging Friars
Why are comments with zero insults or curse words being flagged? Awaiting moderation????
DId I get flagged for using spell check?
bbatardo
Can never have too many outfielders.. I guess?
Rex Block
That 10=year/300-million-dollar offer extended by the Nats is looking better and better. It seems that was a legit offer, but it’s very unlikely it’s still on the table after all this time. Thinking more now about 6/160 … which I know BorasHarper won’t take, especially on number of years, but he won’t see anything better.
Houston We Have A Solution
Get Machado.
Move Hosmer or Myers by attaching prospects or both.
Use money saved from hosmer or Myers or both to pursue pitching in 2020. Plenty of good arms becoming free agents after 2019. Padres should target Gerrit Cole.
sdpadsfan11
Harper isn’t a fit with the Padres, but Machado is in many ways such as positionally, offensively, and age. Manny is a need and Harper is a luxury. Get Cole next offseason and the Padres have the framework to become serious contenders in 2020 and for the next 5+ years.
22Leo
The Padres are hilarious. Their poor fans eat it up on a regular basis.
Kwflanne
Not all of them. I am a fan and I know exactly how pathetic this franchise is…. Cleveland Browns of MLB. And Padres fans being excited about having top prospects…. is literally the equivalent of browns fans thinking their team will be good this year because they have had top draft picks for years haha. It doesn’t work that way folks….
AndyMeyer
10 prospects in the top 100
Ask the Astros, Cubs and Royals how they recently won championships
Swinging Friars
agreed, and add to that — the Padres have 7 in the top 50!
The state of the Padres is just fine. Not every team can behave like the Dodgers, Red Sox, & Yankees
Preller has this team positioned well for the future
sdpadsfan11
The Padres also had the highest grade on the mid season progress report according to milb.com
Kwflanne
The dodgers pump out prospects consistently…. and their prospects perform at the major league level. See: bellinger, seager, kershaw,etc.
Kwflanne
I’m not sure why people use Red Sox, dodgers, etc as comparisons saying “we can’t spend like them, we have to build the farm system…”
Xander bogarts. Mookie betts. Jackie Bradley jr. Clayton kershaw. Yasiel Puig. Cody Bellinger. Cory Seager. And there are many I am likely missing.
Those are players in the farm system for those organizations who came up and impacted the team in a big way, helping them win.
Swinging Friars
Because those three, annually, are the biggest spenders in the league.
Pretty simple really. Yes they do other things well too… However their wallets will always keep them in it, whether or not the farm has talent
csspackler
Take a look at the Top 50 prospects from 2009 to 2015
More than 90 percent have played major league baseball, about 60 percent are major league regulars (position and pitchers) and nearly 20 percent have been All-Stars.
Kwflanne
Spack, you are giving percentages on ALL BASEBALL PROSPECTS ranked over 6 years! That has zero frame of reference here… it’s not like 90% of Padres top rated prospects will now play in the majors, with 60% being regulars and 20% all stars. That is ridiculous.
Swinging Friars
huh?
Aren’t the Padres prospects apart of ALL BASEBALL PROSPECTS?
We get that you are a Dodger homer. Not sure why you are feeling so triggered over a Padres conversation though??
Kwflanne
We get that I’m a dodgers homer? Haha you just proved EXACTLY why you are thinking with your heart and not your brain when it comes to this subject. I’m a Padres season ticket holder! Been a Padres fan my whole life. Just because I point out the success of other clubs farm systems (Sox, dodgers, etc) compared to ours…. I’m a dodgers homer?? Hahahaha that was seriously hilarious seeing that sentence that I’m a dodgers homer. Thank you for that comedic relief.
Also, intellect is taking a beating here…. so I’ll slow it down…. csspackler gave percentages for EVERY TEAM COMBINEE OVER 6 Seasons, saying 90% played, 60% are regulars, etc… that’s a combination of EVERY teams prospects, over a 6 year period. SOOOOO it is pretty absurd to use that for a figure regarding the Padres prospects at their current ranking, because its ludacris to say 90% of our top prospects make it, 60% will be regulars, 20% will be all stars… that just isn’t going to happen for ONE teams prospects. Understand??
Swinging Friars
You’re welcome
Padres prospects absolutely should be included. Are they some how inferior to the league because they are in the Padre system?
Seriously dude…. Just when you start to make some sense….
Kwflanne
I really thought I had slowed it down enough…. but apparently now. So we will try elementary level. Here goes:
The numbers used over a GREATER scale (entire league…. over 6 years time), do not exactly mean that applies to a single teams prospects. Example: if 90% of prospects in the top 100 make it to the big leagues over a 6 year period, that does NOT mean 90% of Padres prospects ranked in the top 100 of 2018 will make it to the big leagues. Do you understand that a larger sample size is needed to create those numbers? There is not a SINGLE team who has 90% of their top prospects make the big leagues with 60% becoming major leaguers regularly for their own team. You keep turning it into a PADRES issue…. it’s a LOGIC issue. Red Sox, Yankees, rays, it doesn’t matter who… 90% over 6 years is a total taken from LEAGUE WIDE. Not 90% of Red Sox prospects made it to the majors. Not 60% of rays prospects are major league regulars. Do you understand?? I really can’t dumb it down anymore than that…. if you need further assistance, I can try and see if my 8 year old cousin is able to log on and explain it to you
hockeyjohn
Klflanne, you don’t need to by rude or talk down to people to make your point. Grow up and don’t be a bully,
mrpadre19
Kwflanne The comment was about “top 50 prospects”!
Not ALL prospects across the entire minor league system.
The Padres have “SEVEN” in the top 50.
So pay attention……if 60% are major league regulars then 4 of these prospects “for the Padres” will be major league regulars.
And 1-2 will be All Stars.
Then ……the Padres have many more that will be top 50 or top 100 in the next year or two.
So the posters point remains…….despite you completely missing it!
Koamalu
I don’t want to rain on your parade, but the facts don’t fit with your take. While I appreciate the intent of your post that most Top 50 prospects become major league players, here is what has happened with Top 50 prospects as defined by Baseball America. MLB.com started providing their list in 2008,
Of the 507 players to be named to the top 50 on the BA Top 100 prospects list from 2000-2015
391 or 77.1% from 2000 to 2015 have played major league ball.
108 or 21.4% have been or are regulars, defined as players that have averaged 2+ WAR for their career in the majors.
133 or 26.2% have averaged more than 110 games played for position players, 140 IP for starting pitchers, or 50 IP for relievers. (The last 2 have a bit of overlap because many did both).
58 or 11.5% have put up a single season of 5.0 WAR, typically considered All Star level play.
41 or 8% have put up more than 1 season of 5.0 + WAR.
While being top 50 on the prospect lists is a pretty good indication of your talent and most at least play in the majors, a small percentage actually become regulars. I put in two different definitions of regulars and I still couldn’t get to 30% that became regulars.
Grizalt
Now what percentage of players who weren’t top 50 prospects became regulars?
Koamalu
Over that period from 2009-2015, the Padres listed in the Top 50 prospects beat the averages for most of the criteria he laid out, although his numbers were off a bit.
They beat the average on % that made it & % that are regulars. One has produced a 4.0+ WAR, although none as Padres.
Koamalu
Of the 25771 players listed in the minor leagues in the US (Rookie league to AAA) from 2000-2015 that were not listed on a top 50 list of prospects according to Baseball America, 992 or about 3.8% have become regulars in the majors as defined by averaging a 2.0 WAR or higher in the majors. You are much more likely to become a regular if you are a top 50 prospect.
Grizalt
“You are much more likely to become a regular if you are a top 50 prospect.”
/argument
padreforlife
You are one of few. Padre fans think every prospect going to be star can’t trade them.
Harper couldn’t get past 1st round with Strasberg,Scherzer, Rendon, overpaid guy from Philly, Zimmerman and others. So now he’s coming here to join prospects to win 2019
AndyMeyer
Jayson Werth!
Hey he was good while he was here in Philly
systemofalansdowne
Padres are the only game in town. I hope they sign one of manny or bryce. Its a great city and they love baseball. Its a tuff division but with their farm and some top level talent, they can compete.
norcalblue
Preller is the equivalent of a MLBTR troll to serious FOs.
dellapple
Wouldn’t be something if Machado and Harper go unsigned and their careers are over?
miccarlton
If it’s Harper’s group that leaked this meeting than they are for sure fishing for another team to get involved that isn’t already involved (Yankees or Dodgers). Harper is a pretty level headed guy and at the end of the day his agent works for him, as much as his agent has told him he can set records, it just clearly isn’t going to happen this offseason. So I would think Harper is now more interested in playing for a team he WANTS to play for, for less money. I think if his years drop to a certain point the Yankees will jump in and Harper will bite. It’s pretty clear at this point Harper and Machado are not breaking any records…
Koamalu
Going to say something here and I know I am going to get dinged for it, but its the bottom line.
No team owner is going to fly to meet a player and his agent just to do due diligence. GMs and assistant GMs do due diligence. They do it long before they even approach the owners about the possibility of signing a major player like Harper or Machado. Most of that is over the phone with the agent hammering out what the player would or would not accept in compensation.
When we found out that the Padres owner, Ron Fowler, was part of the Padres contingent meeting with Harper and Boras in Las Vegas tonight that changed everything. If the owner is involved, it’s about an offer being made. The man spending the tall cash wants to be sure face to face that the guy they want to sign is a straight up kind of guy.
Swinging Friars
Upvote for making sense
I do hope you are wrong though. Harper is a stud to be sure, but he doesn’t seem to be the player the Padres need right now. Could be worse I suppose
Koamalu
Padres have 6 OF to fill 3 spots right now, so it doesn’t make much sense to pursue Harper. Either does their interest in Realmuto when they have the best defensive catcher in baseball on the staff already.
davidcoonce74
The Padres have a lot of outfielders, yes, but that’s a dumb reason not to pursue Harper. He is easily better than any of their outfielders, he’s actually younger than the Padres current right-fielder, Hunter Renfroe, and has six years of MLB experience and an MVP under his belt. Harper is also younger than Jankowski and Wil Myers. I personally think his skillset will age better than Machado’s, but I think either would be a tremendous asset for a team that might contend for a WC by 2020.
angler
Hook up with the Braves to dish one off. Preferably young. And no Braves are not trading Carmargo or Riley. Pick a pitcher.
Swinging Friars
Fried, we’d like Fried back
Koamalu
Why would the Braves be unwilling to trade a backup 3B?
Koamalu
Just found out that Peter Seidler, who is a general partner on the Padres ownership group is also going to Las Vegas with Ron Fowler and GM AJ Preller. Definitely not “due diligence.”
Swinging Friars
What site are you seeing these updates on? I’m stuck here hitting refresh…
Koamalu
The Athletic. Dennis Lin. Christopher Caruso on MLB Network radio.
Swinging Friars
Thanks
I always enjoy reading Dennis Lin, should have known he was all over this
csspackler
Try Twitter.
beersy
I was going to reply to your comment above, “wishing that Seidler was going instead of Fowler”, but now they both are. It’s not that I do not like Fowler, he just always seems to say the wrong thing in every interview he does, so I can only imagine what he would say to Harper and Boras.
nowheretogobutup
When both owners of the Padres meet in LV its not to buy dinner for Harper and Boras although that’s likely. Its about an offer being made with both key owners there to agree on the terms.
Koamalu
Less than 24 hours before, Acee said it was just due diligence and now he is saying they are seriously wooing Harper. Like Russo said, owners don’t fly to see players unless its to make an offer.
Theupper90
There is no way I giving $30 million a year to a career 279 hitting outfielder. Don’t care what his supposed potential may be. Not justifiable and he has not been consistent enough. Manny Machado is worth more then Harper due to his ability to play 3rd or ss. Better at 3rd.
Koamalu
The rest of Harper’s career slashline along with his HR totals justify $30 million AAV or more. To go along with that .279 BA Harper produced .388/.512/.900 with 184 HR. Only 6 other players have done that by age 25 and 5 of the 6 are in the HOF and the other is still playing for the Angels.
ChiSoxCity
The point is Harper’s an average corner OF. Machado is a GG 3B who can shift over to SS, making him more valuable overall.
Fanof29teams
Agree
Koamalu
The point is that there have been only 6 guys in the history of baseball before him that have been as good as Harper is through 25 years old. 5 are in the HOF and the other one is Mike Trout. If you think he is average, then you obviously have no clue what good is.
ChiSoxCity
His DEFENSE in the OF is nothing special? Machado is a GG 3B, who can play any infield position when needed. Offensively they’re about the same, although Harper’s numbers (the ones that matter) have trended downward. THAT is the point.
ChiSoxCity
*His (Harper’s) DEFENSE in the OF is nothing special. Not saying he’s not a great young player. Would love him with my team. Just saying all things being equal, Machado is more versatile, and probably ages better on an AL team as an infielder.
mrpadre19
I think the Padres would prefer Machado but Machado wants to stay on the East Coast.
You can’t just “want” the player…..the player has to also want you.
Plus…..Harper is a “star”.
Not just on the field.
He’s a marketing gold mine and sleepy San Diego needs that.
They would sell 3 times as many Harper jerseys as they would Machado…..which means he would be 3 times as valuable off the field in other ways as well.
megaj
I guess it will be 5 out of 7 one day then. You guys are acting like this guy is a hitting beast or something when he isn’t. If he was a perennial 1.000OPS+ or belting 50 homers these 300M conversations would at least make sense. I think he is more like an .800OPS perennial hitter which is fine, but would you offer Kyle Schwarber the same contract if he was a free agent? That is basically what you are getting, except Schwarber actually plays better defense now. Too many people are just star struck with Harper.
Priggs89
Bryce Harper has put up an OPS over 1.000 more times than he has been .800 or below. He has a CAREER OPS of .900 (over SEVEN years), and he just put up a .889 OPS in what most would call a “down year” for him. Comparing him to Kyle Schwarber is an absolute joke and just shows how delusional you are.
But I guess since most of you Cubs fans think Schwarber is a Hall of Fame, maybe I’m misreading this comment and you’re actually complementing Harper?
qbass187
Who cares anymore? Just sit out. Loser
Soldierofgod619
Ill take Machado over Harper. The way the Padres roster is currently built we have too many outfielders the only weaknesses are 3b,SS and SP. If the Padres go all in and sign Machado, trade for JT realmuto and sign Keuchel. Gio Gonzalez on a 1 year deal would be a nice get aswell. This is the year to make the move while demand is low.
lowtalker1
No !
That’s all lefty’s
Currently in the rotation consideration
LHPs
Erlin
Lauer
Lucchesi
Strahm
RHPs
Diaz
Kennedy
Mitchell
Perdomo
Nix
csspackler
… and by July (hopefully) Lamet.
lowtalker1
Agreed
Soldierofgod619
Paddack might be the only right handed pitcher until Lamet comes back around mid season.
Koamalu
If he can show in spring training that he is as good as he showed in those last 4 starts, then Mitchell will start. I was in Seattle on 9/11 and in San Francisco in late September and he was just filthy. 95-97 mph 4 seam FB, a heavy sinker, and a bugs bunny change. If he pitches like he did before the trip to the DL, he may get DFA. Erlin was terrible as a starter last year. His ERA was over 6. I do not think he gets the call over Mitchell. The Padres had Diaz go to the AFL to stretch out, so he may be an option as a starter also.
Swinging Friars
I can’t wait to see Strahm in the rotation this year. That’s a live arm!
Soldierofgod619
Preller loves left handed pitchers look at our roster and prospects. Robert Stock might be an opener type pitcher give you a goood 3-5 innings throws hard.
Koamalu
What Padres OF is even close to as good as Harper? What LHB in their lineup is that good? If you are wondering how good he is, see what I said above.
Swinging Friars
none
I think we are still riding the Machado band wagon around here. At least I am. If we can only have one I’d prefer Machado
lowtalker1
Time to make the padres great again
VegasSDfan
3/120 does that get it done?
nowheretogobutup
I think you may have a point with 3 yrs. $120M keeps Harper open to negotiate a seven yr deal in three yrs for more money and saves face with Boras and keeps the Union happy.
If that would be possible I’m sure you’ll see Realmuto trade also since we can send off a C, OF and Pitcher to the Fish. Keep in mind MM camp is watching this one very close as well.
rb74
I might be in the minority re:Harper in that I am happy the Cardinals and others are staying away. I watch his swing and look at the stress he puts on his lower back and think he’s not going to age well unless he changes the swing.
jleve618
He’ll probably age fine till at least 35. After that I’d be worried, but that’s still 9 years.
goldenmisfit
I hear padre fans on here talking about how if they get Harper they’re winning it all in 2019. Get drug tested!
sdpadsfan11
You’re hearing voices. Go get some help!!
em650r
“The surprising lack of suitors for Harper has helped to fuel San Diego’s interest”
Not lack of interest it’s the contract size and the luxury tax and draft picks on Harper.
I’m so surprised that he’s not on the Angels list.
DougieJones
If the Giants went after Harper the way they went after Stanton last offseason, Harper would already be a Giant.
Luke Strong
Everything you need to know about the San Diego Padres and their mediocrity is in who didn’t meet Harper – the team’s ownership. They don’t even care enough to go meet baseball’s greatest FA in the history of free agency.
beyou02215
What do you think “General Partner” means?
csspackler
Huh? That’s exactly who met Harper.
Jesus, the things you see here…
NewYorkMetropolitans
lolololololololol
greatest free agent in free agent history…..
Scott, is that you?
jleve618
“Seemed sincere”. They say that like they themselves just assumed they were trolling Harper.
Jerrybats19
I just hope they sign sooner than later tbh bc it slows everything down and spring training is right around the corner
megaj
The funny thing is, if they just said “screw it, let’s win now!” and unloaded all their top prospects except Tatis and Urias, they could still get Kluber and Realmuto in trade. Then sign Keuchel and either Harper/Machado and suddenly they have a pretty awesome team.
Swinging Friars
2015 says hello
slpdajab55
This guy is so over rated… they act like he’s a superstar… he’s streaky and inconsistent. 2 years he hits over .300 , 2 years he’s in the .240’s. I think he’s a little better than Jay Bruce was in his prime. Not by much.
padreforlife
Agree
dellapple
I agree, he is overrated. He’d be a nobody if he was playing in the 70s
padreforlife
He’s not as good as Dwight Evans
butch779988
That guy was a real ball player.
Koamalu
Through the 1st 7 seasons of his career, Dwight Evans hit .258/.337/.440/.777 with 89 HR.
Compare that to Bryce Harper through the 1st 7 seasons of his career, .279/.388/.512/.900 with 184 HR.
Loved Evans, but he is no Bryce Harper.
James1955
Harper’s defense was so bad last year, he is a DH. 1.3 WAR doesn’t add very many wins to your team.
Bunselpower
Holy crap, you’re right. I didn’t even notice through this whole thing that he brought in 1.3 bWAR. Wow.
CircleJerkManiac
Imo that says more about the stat than it does about Bryce. According to that stat Keon Broxton was better than Harper last year.
dellapple
Sign him, the Phillies don’t seem to want him…..
fba0017
Just Boras ploy to drive up price of where he wants to go. More suitors he can play off of is best tactic. Can’t see Harper wanting to go to perennial losing club (no offense). This tactic maybe gets him another $20 million from Philly or Washington who knows.
csspackler
Could be trying to drive up the price. It’s been done before.
As far as not signing with a perennial loser, that’s been done before, too.
lowtalker1
I mean theoretically aren’t both the Phillies and nats perennial losers as well?
Nats never been to a World Series and the Phillies took 80 years to win their first one? Sure they had some success once Harper was brought up but they never made it past the first round.
VegasSDfan
Harper asked to meet with SD for two reasons. One because of it’s close proximity to Las Vegas, and two because he wants to play in LA.
LA will be back in the picture shortly.
lowtalker1
LA cannot afford Harper If they plan to stay at current payroll
ChiSoxCity
So the Pollock signing indicates nothing to you?
James1955
It is reported that Harper wants a contract larger than Stanton’s contract. It is about money. If he gets injured, he gets paid.
The Human Toilet
I don’t see anywhere that Harper wants to player for the Dodgers. If any team he has hinted he wants to play for in the past is the Cubs.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
“Bryce, c’mon… 2 years, $40 million and the best weather ever…”
nowheretogobutup
I’d even go 3 yrs. $95M he still has the opt. to then look for a seven yr. deal with even more dollars at the end of the three.
minoso9
That would be fun to see Harper and/or Machado hook up with San Diego. It would certainly help even up the balance of power in the N..L. West I have noticed the Reds and Phillies and Mets working to upgrade as well in the N.L. Close competition is good for the game.
rycm131
Beautiful place to live. Nice park, why not sign a 1-2 year deal and then test the waters again?
macstruts
The Agent is likely not telling the truth. Padres and Bryce Harper are not a match.
Kwflanne
This is CLASSIC!!! Padres management: do we need a first baseman? Well no, we have Myers there…. but this guy Hosmer could be the new “face” and we will show that we will spend money, get him!
Harper… do we need another corner outfielder? Well, no, we have a gaping hole at third base, and a rotation currently comprised of young and unproven #3-#4 starters with no ace or #2… but he’s good business and marketing for putting fans in the seats, who cares if it makes baseball sense…. get him!
Brilliant. If this is real, it goes to show once again…. the Padres will continue to be the laughing stock of the NL West.
its_happening
My thoughts too.
Padres2019ha
Well said, hard not to agree with you. Especially on Hosmer. Harper though is a guy you make room for. Reyes is a future DH. It’s gonna be interesting to see what his value is if he’s expendable. He could be a breakout hitter, but only half a season of production. Myers is the enigma. I assume we don’t want to trade Myers just yet as his value is super low, but making only $5.5 mil this year. Renfroe is another player I’d hate the Padres to give up on a year early, per usual. Machado is the better fit, higher floor, but risky with his attitude. Can’t tell you how many players come to San Diego and dog it after a big contract. He’s that kind of threat with reason. Signing Harper would need to be accompanied by at least 2 other big moves. Catcher(Realmuto), 3b(Machado, Moose), Ace(Kluber) Do not waste money on Kuechel, or any mediocre player.
Padres2019ha
On another note, why tf are The Padres leaking that info that it’s a “business” decision to sign Harper?? Pretty blatant disrespect of the fans that it’s more about marketing than winning…unless Hey man is full of…
tony gwynn
Unfortunately, I agree. 🙁
padreforlife
I agree. They did same thing few winters ago
chesteraarthur
Isn’t this similar to what LA said about Pujols?
lowtalker1
You mean Anaheim?
chesteraarthur
They’re the LA Angles (of Anaheim), are they not?
lowtalker1
Still a stupid name
They are in a completely different county
chesteraarthur
Your subjective opinion on their name does not change the fact that LA is still a valid description for that team.
slider32
Didn’t they change their name again?
lowtalker1
They change like every 5 years.
Back in the day. In the 1930s the padres moved out of la and the angels moved in. They were members of the pcl. When the dodgers moved in, angels where in la in the pcl and later on moved to Anaheim (Orange County) and became the mlb angels
slider32
Didn’t they change their name again?
alien
I’m hoping he signs with either Pads or white sox.. As a Met fan, just stay away from NL east
david klein
Heyman shilling for Boras.
Jimcarlo Slaton
Every team knows Harper has more marketing value than Machado.
shortytallz
Bruce Herpes is a perfect product to market in Sandy Yego.
TooToughToScuffle
Friars add a few wins hitting. Friars ain’t got no pitching neither. They not winning in 2019/. But Friars say, well we’re gonna get our window, and you fellas (Bryce and Manny) are gonna be still young enough to enjoy the window, not just be window dressing, see? Maybe we’ll finally win a world series?
ChiSoxCity
The Padres have had what, 15 seasons above .500 in their history? Things can change, obviously (cubs, Red Sox), but who doesn’t see the Padres trading either one of these guys in a few years? The White Sox are loaded with prospects AND money. And the Phillies have tons of money to build a respectable team around Harper.
Koamalu
How many seasons above .500 for the White Sox since 1969? How many playoff appearances? 18 and 5. Padres? 16 and 5. White Sox revenue? $266 million. Padres revenue? $266 million. Other than the Padres having the better farm system right now, I don’t see much difference between the two teams.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
It would be typical of the Padres to sign Bryce Harper when they already have 5 starting outfielders (Franmil Reyes, Wil Myers, Manuel Margot, Franchy Cordero & Hunter Renfoe). They signed Hosmer when they already had Myers at first. They need a 3rd baseman period.
mrpadre19
So the Padres need a 3B……and if Machado doesn’t want to play in San Diego the Padres should just sign Who?
You think they would be better off with Moustakas at 3B then Harper in RF?
NONE of the Padres outfielders are good enough to “not” sign Harper for.
Besides…..if they sign Harper they trade 1-2 of those “starting outfielders” for either Realmuto or a 3B.
If they trade for Realmuto then they could trade Hedges and prospects for a Starter………or a 3B.
Many ways to do this but it all starts with adding an impact bat……like Harper.
123redsox
Great. Sign Harper and then trade a few outfielders as part of a package for a starter, sign Moustakas and call it a day
mrpadre19
Exactly……123redsox
raef715
yep. or could get Franco from the Phils.
Koamalu
I have read so many posts by fans saying trade for Franco, but I am not sure why anyone would want him. Take a look at his WAR and his OPS+ the last couple of seasons. He is not even an average ballplayer.
jordanjee
Harper had his wedding at the Mormon Temple in La Jolla a couple years ago. He is definitely signing with the Pad’s.
KingSall77
I feel like the Padres could be in trouble with this signing. They have bad starting pitching to begin with. If they do sign Harper however, I would shop Will Myers, Manuel Margot, for some pitching, especially their starting rotation.
mrpadre19
They have 4 of the top 10 LH starting prospects in the Minors.
Plus Paddack and Patino and Espinoza who throw from the right.
They will add a starter probably also.
Plus…….next year they will have a healthy Lamet and Garrett Richards.
2019 might be tough on the rotation……but after that they will be just fine.
nowheretogobutup
There’s no doubt the Padres will trade one if not two of their current OF’s if they sign Harper. More than likely for a 3B or SP.
I see Margot or Myers possible gone in a trade, Myers would do well in the AL.
Koamalu
Why shop Myers other than money? Why shop the CF when Harper plays RF? I agree that they need to bring in a solid starter, but why those two? Renfroe is more valuable in trade than Myers because of Myers contract and Harper would be taking his position on the field. Reyes is a DH waiting to happen and he had a hot rookie season with the bat so trading him makes sense.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Why is Harper more marketable than Machado? I do think that is the case, but can point to nothing obvious unless I go places people don’t wish to go (race). Is it more than race? Obviously, the fan base of baseball is predominantly white. (The decrease in African American players has been somewhat counterbalanced by the rise of Latino and Asian players, but fans, much like any sport, are still, by far, predominantly white). Both Machado and Harper have some obvious scandalous behavior that has turned some away (I think neither holds an edge on such behavior, though some high profile Machado events are more recent). I think both show an enjoyment of the game, a kid-like demeanor at times. Machado shows more consistency, but Harper has shown more upside. Machado is more an all around player than Harper. Harper played in a larger market than Machado for most of their career. Harper had more recognition than Machado as a pre-MLB player (Harper was essentially the second-coming of Mantle to many). So why is Harper more marketable?
stevews6
Because Manny made some very poor choices in the playoffs, you can start there.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I did bring that up. I don’t think that is the sole reason, do you? And to me, the fact that so many were triggered by seemingly spiking a player and running while blowing bubbles (running full speed by the way), says as much about those who were triggered by this as it does Manny’s behavior (not a judgment on the reaction — just an observation). What doesn’t get brought up, and to me is more of a concern (but probably has more to do with immaturity) is Harper getting into fights with fellow teammates (getting attacked in one case).
chesteraarthur
Yeah, it’s everyone else that are the racists, not you…
How is Harper getting attacked by someone a negative ON HIM?
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I asked a question and gave a bunch of possibilities. I never called anyone the R-word, not even you. You did that. Harper gets in fights with teammates. Machado saves it for the opposition. Can I ask, why did you get so defensive with my comment? You need a hug?
mrpadre19
Because Harper was on the cover of SI as a 17 year old.
Even non baseball fans know who he is.
Plus he’s arrogant and brash and is on Sportscenter highlights regularly.
It’s not because of his skin color.
ChiSoxCity
The baseball pundits wouldn’t talk about the added value of Harper’s marketability if he wasn’t white. I don’t consider that to be racist; it is what it is.
Oxford Karma
Mostly I agree. The dirty player aspect, that was totally Machado’s one doing, is the only reason I question this.
ChiSoxCity
No doubt. Machado’s a great player, but his immaturity and poor sportsmanship will probably cost him millions.
chesteraarthur
Yeah, like that white guy, Albert Pujols…oh, wait
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Chester. If you want that hug, I’ll give it. I gotta warn you though. I ain’t white. That a thing? It seems to be.
Swinging Friars
Machado’s heritage should give him an upper hand in some of these markets. It definitely could be argued that way for San Diego
jordanjee
Seems Harper has proven that he’s more marketable by establishing his brand nation-wide. I can’t recall seeing Mechado on any commercials.
I don’t live in their market, but I can recall seeing Harper in multiple commercials, including T-Mobile. Seems one of these guys has spent more time than the other developing his brand off the field. Being the number one overall pick and living up to much of the hype early on in his career also helped Harper.
I don’t think I disagree with your point. But having trouble seeing it play out fully in this case.
123redsox
Not everything is about race. Also, basketball is,mostly African American. And baseball has become more Hispanic (like,Machado is) so if it had the slightest thing to do with race. It would be tilted in Machado’s favor. NOT Harper.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
123 — You’re right. Not everything is about race. That is why I gave about a dozen different possibilities. Did you read my post or just triggered by the R-word? Since we agree that not everything is about race, can we also agree that it certainly CAN play a role. If anyone understands this, it should be you, a Red Sox fan. I mean the Red Sox didn’t even put a black person on the field until 1959 (the last team to do so). And your last point is silly. I am not talking about the players. I am talking about the fans. A very high percentage of fans are white (also true with basketball), so it kind of dismantles the point you were trying to make. It doesn’t mean all baseball fans are racist. Just like not all gardners and librarians are not racist. But some certainly are.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
*remove one NOT from that second to last sentence (or add one more if you want to make it more comical).
mike156
Why is Heyman pushing Harper over Machado, when Machado makes more sense?
123redsox
Harper is,more marketable. He has an MVP and was on the cover of SI Sports magazine when he was 17. He may be the post hyped player of the past 20 years. He also, didn’t make comments about not hustling
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
No, he just punches and attacks fellow teammates.
ATLbravos
When did he punch a teammate? last video I watched, Papelbon punched him and you saw what the team did? they got rid of papelbon. Not a single bad word has been spoken about harper from the knats. the same cant be said about papelbon from any of the teams he played for.
Oxford Karma
If I was a mlb free agent, I’m going to San Diego. The weather is perfect. The women are sun kissed gorgeous. Restaurants have lots of variety. There aren’t even other sports to share the town with since the Chargers left.
raef715
not disagreeing but free agents love the opt outs a couple years in, and Harper would put up huge numbers in Philly compared to San Diego- in the end i don’t know if Harper takes less money from the Pads than the Phils would offer, and Middleton will offer the stupid money if he needs to- so will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Soldierofgod619
Padres want to land 1 of Bryce Harper or Machado they already threw out their best offer at both Harper and Machado its all a matter of who says yes first the meeting gives you a hint of who it should be. Once the Padres land Harper the White Sox and Phillies will get into a bidding war for Machado.
basquiat
Will there be live TV coverage of Preller’s aircraft landing at McCarran and overhead chopper pursuit of his SUV on the way to Bryce’s house?
George Vasios
I read somewhere that the Harper to Philly deal was just about done, only at the last second Klentak and the Middletons insisted that Dwight Schrute pick Harper’s insurance healthcare policy for him. So Bryce bolted at the last second.
nentwigs
Harper is now rumored to be headed to Minnesota for a visit with the Twins.
nowheretogobutup
The Padres are having Harper going for a physical and the ink is dry, Minn. is too late.
FriendOfBoras
I received word from a friend that Harper and the Padres are very close to agreeing on a contract. It’s appear it will be front loaded with an opt out starting in year 4 of the contract. I have no information on the overal length or total $ figure of the contract, however it is said that as the offer stands Harper would earn 125million in the first 4 years of the contract.
nowheretogobutup
Well we can all dream of Harper in a Padres uniform, that would shock the baseball world for sure. Not holding my breathe however.
nowheretogobutup
Padres are now interested in Gio G. LH SP that would be nice to bring him in on a two yr deal with an option for the third yr. As far as a Harper deal I’ll believe it when I see it, that would mean at least one or two current OF’s on the Padres would be traded hopefully for a 3B or SP. Crazier things have happened for the Padres and this would be crazy for sure.
Grizalt
Signing Harper means Renfroe and Reyes are both gone. Trading for Realmuto means Hedges and Mejia are both gone.
nowheretogobutup
I am not holding my breathe on either signing or trade until I hear it and see it for real. Both of those guys along with a strong SP like Gio G. would cap my entire decades of being a Padre fan.
nowheretogobutup
I would say signing Harper if it happens means that Myers or Margot is gone and possibly Renfroe. Signing a SP in a trade means that Hedges an OF along with a lower 100 player is gone. I feel the FO if this happens is going all in this season since the D Backs, Giants and Rox have not improved and there is a chance for a WC in 2019. But it all has to fall into place, not getting excited until It all happens.
Grizalt
If Harper is signed, he is in RF, Myers is in LF and then Margot is in CF. There’s no room for Renfroe or Reyes. And Wil Myers is bordering on untradeable.
padreforlife
He’s not bordering he is untraceable
csspackler
Harper posted a cryptic tweet during the Super Bowl. Simply said “Loading.”
Perhaps he close to or already has decided.
Koamalu
Or he was loading up to head to spring training now that football is over.
padreforlife
Omg!
nowheretogobutup
We’ll know a lot more by Wed. stay tuned, the good news is Harper wants to be close to LV his home and family. That could be the big factor here.
ullnvrknw
I said this from day one. He will be a Yankee. Just makes such business sense and a great ROI for the Yankees
Rex Block
Except that the Yankees are not interested.
padreforlife
Harper is now a scout for Marlins