Star Cubs third baseman Kris Bryant discussed some largely hypothetical contractual matters today with reporters including Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune. Notably, he has not been approached by the organization about a potential long-term deal.
Bryant, 27, saw his productivity dip in an injury-limited 2018 campaign. But that’s only against his own lofty standards. Bryant, who’ll earn $12.9MM this year with two more arb seasons still to come, still rates among the best all-around players in baseball.
There was perhaps some reason to wonder whether the Cubs might see an opportunity to explore an extension, but that hasn’t happened yet. Bryant says he’d “be dumb not to hear anything they have to offer,” so it seems he’d be receptive to holding talks, though it also stands to reason that he’d put a lofty asking price on his future rights.
From a broader perspective, Bryant suggested that the recent extension of Nolan Arenado was a promising development in a player market that is still adjusting to the current collective bargaining agreement. “It’s nice to see another third baseman sign for that much,” he said.
Though Bryant is in quite a different situation than Arenado, who’s only ten months older and would have been a free agent after the coming season, the just-inked contract certainly bears on a hypothetical extension for the former. Bryant is arguably a slightly superior player, after all, and both sides would likely see the AAV on Arenado’s bought-out free-agent seasons as a highly relevant comp.
Zooming out yet further, Bryant also emphasized the fact that smaller-market teams have given out some of the biggest contracts in recent years. Players, he suggests, are well aware of teams’ spending capacities: “Everybody has money. We’re not stupid.”
antibelt
Bryant is not a superior player. Quite frankly, I’d take Baez over him, especially if he can repeat his 2018 performance.
cubsfan2489
Bryant has been consistent since he came into the league, last year not withstanding. Baez is good but Bryant is great. Strongly disagree.
royalcub89
LOL! You say that after Baez is the runner up for MVP, you would probably feel much differently if this were February 2017 following Bryant’s MVP and Baez striking out 300 times. At least Bryant is fairly consistent at getting on base. Baez is really streaky and while I am optimistic he can be good again in 2019, i’m also hesitant to dive into a “let’s extend Baez” bandwagon. He needs to produce more than one season offensively.
mattcubs
Yeah. I’m a bit bullish on Baez. I love him and love what he did last year. He has amazing instincts and all the intangibles–I’m still not sure he will put up another season like that year.
I’d take KB if I had to pick one or the other.
justinept
Bryant is a superior hitter with exception to a single season where he got injured.
Arrenado is an above-average hitter away from Coors. He’s far from deficient on the road, but without Coors Field, we wouldnt be talking about him as an elite bat. What makes him elite is being an above average hitter overall while displaying elite defense.
Unfortunate to Arrrenado, offense is really the defining skill set that separates players when making comps.
Bill walsh
Excuse me @
Arenado led league in homers 3 times and 6 gold gloves
Bryant is a pretty boy wannabe.
No comparison
Trade him now..
aweaselnamedfee
That’s an intelligent statement.
Can we trade you?
kershawsgrandma22
Bryant is not better than arenado…
stymeedone
Agree whole heartedly! for only a 10 mo difference in age, Arrenado has considerably more on his resume than KB. If anything, NA’s new contract puts a ceiling on what KB will be getting.
jasonpen
“more on his resume”?
Oh, like Bryant’s Rookie of the year award, MVP, and World Series trophy?
Lol, you guys are nuts. Compare both of their road numbers (the only way to compare stats outside of Coors) Arenado is a good hitter, but Coors makes him great. If Bryant played at Coors, he’d likely be putting up all time monster numbers.
stymeedone
WS trophies are team awards. Rookie of the year is subjective and is based on the other rookies in your class. KB didnt beat out NA for the award. Playing in Coors will of course increase the home numbers, but it also reduces road numbers. Until KB plays half his games at Coors, where breaking pitches don’t break, and then plays his next series on the road, where they do, we won’t know how it would effect him. The home or road splits cannot be compared evenly because of this. Given a choice of either player for the next five years on my favorite team, no question I would take NA.
jasonpen
You still didn’t prove how NA has “more on his resume” and didn’t say anything about Bryant’s MVP…
MVP “is” the resume. Bryant has one, NA doesn’t.
Good try though,
I’ll take the MVP, who btw, was:
College player of the year,
Arizona Fall league MVP,
Minor league player of the year,
Rookie of the year,
Most Valuable Player, and
World Series Champion
all in consecutive seasons…
That’s a resume.
Swinging Friars
6 gold gloves & 4 silver slugger awards
*Bryant was playing 3b in the NL during this time.. ‘nough said
pullhitter445
Adam Engle was an Arizona fall league mvp, hardly an accomplishment Jason pen. Give me NA all day. NA is an elite defender Bryant is not even remotely close.
jobusrum9
I think this is really simple.
Machado got 10 years at about $30mil per year.
Arenado got 8 years at about $30mil per year.
Bryant will get 6 years at about $30mil per year.
petrie000
The recency bias is strong with this one
Bill walsh
Bryant has hit 240 vs American League.
His fielding stats are way below Machado, Rendon and Arenado.
He is a pretty boy, who’s daddy outed his great upswing ability, a secret to him alone from Ted Williams.
Cubs never give him errors on balls that bounce under his glove and he has limited range and arm strength.
If they do not win
He, Schwarber and Maddon are all gone
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Beyant is far superior to rendon and it’s not even close.
petrie000
If you believe in String Theory there is a universe where this is true
But it isn’t this one, I’m sorry to say.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Random is barely have the player Bryant is. He wishes he was as gold as or better than Bryant. Rendon is kinda like the Jose Ramirez of the NL good but not great and overrated
aweaselnamedfee
Wow. I didn’t realize the Cubs have a campaign going to absolve KB of any errors. You should’ve led with this…case closed.
twentyforty
Recently bias always looks funny
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Yeah because getting hit in the head was completely his fault. He turned Canadian for a day and apologized to the pitcher.
SabrinasDaddy
Articles I’ve read in the past make it seem like Chi Town doesn’t appreciate Bryant. If true, go play in a city that would welcome your talent and pay you accordingly…
CalcetinesBlancos
Where did you hear that? The Cubs Cult worships Bryant.
SabrinasDaddy
No worries about legitimacy; but NBC Sports wrote Bryant “felt unappreciated after service time issue.” Chicago Town Sports in December wrote “Bryant not resigning for lack of appreciation.” And SB Nation in ’18 noted “Cubs offering to trade Kris Bryant.” Again, legitimacy can be argued but it is out there in the ether…
ReverieDays
That trade rumor thing was debunked quickly
SabrinasDaddy
Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one’s view’s and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one’s valid opinion, I honestly believe that… I completely forgot what I was going to say.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
He also said he understands it’s a business. It’s not like he was held down for 3 months. It was 10 days. Not even 10 games but days.
docagnt
That is far from true. There is much love in Chicago for Bryant. The Sports talking heads make up a bunch of garbage about a rift. He’s a real asset to the team and fans love him.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
He’s not even my favorite player on the cubs and I got.2 jerseys plus a Bryzzo jersey. Theres way too many players on the Cubs to have a favorite
royalcub89
There is always going to be backlash from the mouth breathing fans about a guy in a slump and he needs to be traded, but overall Chicago adores Kris Bryant. You won’t find a single level headed fan in Chicago that hates him.
Cubguy13
I think you are misunderstanding about who supposedly is not appreciating Bryant. It’s not the fans, it’s the organization that Bryant would feel this way about if he does.
Shane T
Pretty sure they gave him record setting first arb eligible money.
Swinging Friars
Arenado won all those gold gloves while playing in the same league right? Put up better offensive numbers too, how is Bryant slightly superior?
This right here proves marketing and hype mean something. Take that and run with it Boras!
its_happening
Umm…Bryant’s career numbers are better than Arenado’s road numbers from an offensive standpoint. Far superior. Including an off-year in 2018.
stymeedone
KB hasnt had to play half his games in Coors, where breaking balls dont break, and then play his next series where they do. His number would drop on the road if he played in Coors,, too.
its_happening
stymee – that may be the worst excuse I’ve ever read.
aweaselnamedfee
Agreed.
Jake1972
As the other poster pointed out check the splits from home to away and take into the Coors Field factor.
Bryant bat is consistent even with a down year…
Now his glove is not as superior but he plays more than one position and plays them well.
Swinging Friars
The only position he plays well is 3b
How does Bryant get a pass but someone like Myers doesn’t? Just because he spent some time in the OF doesn’t make him some sort of super utility guy. The cubs had that much talent is all that says. Most of these guys are capable of playing other positions, some just never get asked to. Some perform so well that no one can imagine using them to plug another hole
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Bryant plays left center and 1st just as well as one one who plays that position daily.
pullhitter445
“Left center and 1st just as well as one who plays that position daily?” Yeah completely a fan boy statement that holds no legitimacy. It’s one thing to be a fan it’s another to be flat out wrong. I could list several players at all 3 of those positions alone that are ahead of him defensively.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
You never seen him play any other position other than 3rd obviously. only a hater would give that rebuttal
Polymath
“Bryant is arguably a slightly superior player.” The operative word here is “arguably.” He is more versatile and has played every position except pitcher and catcher.
Bryant has an MVP, ROY, and a ring. Arenado has multiple GG. Bryant’s career WAR is 21.6, with a low of 1.9 last year. Arenado’s is 33 with a low of 3.8. Bryant is almost one year younger.
I’d argue Arenado is the better third baseman. Bryant has more versatility and “hardware,” thus making Arenado’s compensation somewhere around what Bryant will command, barring injury or a marked drop-off.
That high number, plus his grudge against the front office for delaying his free agency by a year (yes, I know it’s their right), means he won’t remain a Cub after free agency … possibly before if there is a trade. That, of course, is his right. Cubbies, enjoy him while you can.
Swinging Friars
You guys are funny. Yeah but…..if…… Man all those exercises in fantasy land!
You can’t take away Arenados numbers just because he plays for the Rockies. Sorry. Get used to it guys, the Colorado Rockies are apart of MLB
Oh, and by the way….Coors field (or whatever its called these days) is not the friendliest hitter’s park. That title went to Texas last year. Wait, does that mean that Beltre stinks??
its_happening
Re-writing history much? Coors has consistently been far and away the best places to hit and the best ballpark for offense in MLB history.
Swinging Friars
Just taking you all on a trip through reality is all
Just for chits and giggles, what was wrong in either statement? If you get triggered by facts there really isn’t anything I can do for you
Look it up, google can be your friend too
its_happening
I think I’ve laid out a much better and more accurate assessment, but thank you for trying.
dugdog83
Nope, swinging friars beat you bud
aweaselnamedfee
Nope
aweaselnamedfee
Swinging Friars dooms not.
aweaselnamedfee
Did!
jobusrum9
The problem you have when you argue with cubs fans is the fact they’re irrational. I mean look at how stupid this arguement truly is.
You can’t disregard Arenado’s home numbers bc he hits in a hitters park if you’re going to try and compare Arenado and Bryant’s road numbers.
Arenado plays the majority of his road games in LA, SF, AZ, and SD. 3 of those 4 are extremely pitcher friendly.
Bryant plays the majority of his road games in Mil, StL, Cin, and Pitt. 3 of those 4 are very hitter friendly.
Do we now see the duplicity in the Home vs road splits arguement?
petfoodfella
Bryant won’t get as much as Nolan, at all. Especially if he doesn’t improve significantly in 2019.
cubby99
He will. Take that to the bank.
cubsfan76
Sadly it’s more than likely going to be from another team.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
No it wont. The Cubs have a very large amount of money. They arent stupid to let him walk. 7/250 is a far place to Start. And right before he turns 29 next January..
pullhitter445
Nah he’s leaving Theo tied up to much cash on guys who give speeches and can’t pitch in the playoffs and regular season.
CalcetinesBlancos
If I’m Theo, there’s no way I sign KB to a long deal right now without a bit of a discount. There is nothing for the Cubs to gain by signing KB to a contract right now if he is unwilling to budge on the price a bit.
MafiaBass
I don’t follow their payroll as much as Boston’s, but it seems to me they can’t just keep throwing money at people. Don’t they have 4 guys making over 20M this year? They will have to wait a couple of years to get Lester and Hamels closer to off the books so they don’t lose draft spots.
biogeek23
According to BR, it’s 4 guys with 20 million or more. In terms of future payroll, Bryant, Russel, Scwarber, Baez and Rizzo all hit free agency in the same year, provided no one signs an early extension or is otherwise traded or released. Kyle Hendricks hits free agency the year before they do. So that’s also worth noting.
canocorn
Theo traded CHC future to win now (in 2017).
Quintana for Jimenez & Cease, et. al.
Looked like a sure thing at the time. Baseball is anything but predictable.
Point being, if cubs still had Jimenez it wouldn’t matter as much what happens with Bryant.
Android Dawesome
Id be interest how many people had ever heard of Jimenez or Cease before they were traded. It seems like their value to some is more in making the Cubs look bad rather than what they do on the field.
Bill walsh
That is wack
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Yeah considering they play different positions. They would have traded happ instead. Traded Russell keep Baez at 2nd and Jimenez at ss.
cubsfan76
KB is a Boras client. The chances of an early team friendly deal and not testing out free agency is slim to none…
luisplaysgames
Kris Bryant wants to play with bryce harper on the west coast.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Says who. Bryce Harper is likely going to the Phillies. Dodgers wont go past 7 years. The giants wont win for 7 year of 10 year deal. Philly is the best chance for hatper to win
MST5772
What a joke, the only comparison is their position.
Swinging Friars
Kind of a big comp
MST5772
Not debating that, just saying the comparisons go no further
Buhnersideburns
I’m not much of Bryant fan, but he’s a heck of a ballplayer…. the 230 million the Cubbies have tied up in Darvish, Heyward, Chatwood sure would be handy if they were serious about extending him
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
They could always dump chatwood it’s not hard. Outright release him if he doesnt improve my mid season.
MWeller77
They would still owe him $ – this isn’t the NFL
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Buy him out. Trade him bad contract for bad contract. It happens alot. Theyll find someone to take him if he doesnt improve. Probably the Marlins
nats3256
If my math is right, he will hit free agency at age 30. he may want to strike now and get that payday before he become “to old”.
mattcubs
If he hits free agency at 30 I doubt that he gets what Arenado just got. I think if he signed an extension this year or next with the Cubs buying out final arbitration years, he could probably maximize his value.
leftcoaster
Bryant will make them pay for delaying to start his clock.
cosmo1
Not really. If he rides out his arb years then walks, the Cubs will have still gotten the best years of his career.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
A whole 10 days of waiting. Omg. Thats such a long wait. They are extremely lucky to draft him. Since he was 1. Drafted the previous year and didnt sign and 2. Mark Appel went to Houston @ #1. A player the Cubs wanted. And he was a complete bust and outright quit baseball. They hit the jackpot with Bryant.
JFactor
Same thing when you guys said Baez and Hendricks were down.
The cubs wouldn’t do this now because of the luxury tax issue.
Not unless they could spread the deals out crazy far out to where the aav ends up about the same as their 2019 salaries.
I’d say you’d have to give Bryant a 14 year deal where his aav was closer to like 16M ($224 in total), but you could structure it in a way where he has favorable opt-outs.
So something like
19 – $13
20 – 25
21 – 30
22 – 30
23 – 30
Opt-out
24 – 30
25 – 30
Opt-out
26 – 6
27 – 6
28 – 6
29 – 6
30 – 6
Opt-out
31 – 2
32 – 2
33 – 2
Lowers the aav, gives him the guarantee, and he can walk away rather easily financially.
Of course, if he ever opt-Ed in, he’d likely be worthless as a player at that point and would continue to hurt their luxury tax for years to come.
Either way, the cubs aren’t extending these guys and paying more in the luxury tax.
Grizalt
Bryant will be traded next offseason.
ElectricEddie
Probably
I had hoped we would have traded him at the last deadline for DeGrom
We would have challenged for the WS
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
No they wouldn’t. They played 41 games in 40 days. They were wore down to the bone. Bryant was hurt most of the year.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Highly doubt that. He’ll get an extension next winter if anything. The Cubs and theo are not stupid. You dont trade a player like Bryant
Grizalt
It wasn’t true the last 10 times you said Kris Bryant would sign an extension. What makes you think it will be true this time?
And you trade a player like Bryant cuz he’s about to leave for nothing and you can get a haul of prospects for him.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
It’s not true because nothing was literally offered
GoldenArm
Re: “Bryant is arguably a slightly superior player,” According to maybe Bryant and his agent. But the numbers, both offensively and defensively, would not bear that out, IMO
SupremeZeus
Bryant already turned down a $200M offer and he isn’t letting the Cubs service time manipulation go. MVP, World Series…he has no mountain left to climb, except highest paid baseball player. The Cubs know what they will have to pay to keep Bryant and it is possible they blink.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
No he didnt. They never offered him any deal. That rumor was very quickly shot down. There was never an offer made.
la verdad
We don’t need Bryant! We got Bote!!!!
BobbyJohn
Am not sure Bryant is going to get the same total value that Arenado got due to the timing of things, but I could definitely see him getting as high or higher annually but for fewer years.
As to “arguably the better player”, I would definitely rather have Arenado but I also get that Bryant has positional versatility that creates tremendous roster and lineup flexibility.
bbatardo
Too bad the Cubs are broke… lol
Yankeepatriot
If the cubs end up losing Bryant, Hendricks and biaz due to not extending them early enough their fans better riot
BobbyJohn
The Rockies would do well to start offering early-career extensions to a handful of young, key players RIGHT NOW to hopefully avoid getting to this point with 5-7 guys at basically the same time a few years from now.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Who the heck is biaz? Its never “too early to extend players. Kyle seager got 100 mil 3 days into his ML career. Evan Longoria got about the same almost immediately. Kyle Seager is nowhere near the player his brother is and Corey didnt get that. Not even Bryce Harper got an immediate extension worth that. And he started at 19. That right there is 8 years ending 2018. If Harper was so high and mighty he could have gotten 8/275 and then another 10/345 from the Phillies.
baseballhobo
The pride of Bonanza High School.
butch779988
Bryant is 2nd most overrated player in baseball behind Harper.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Salty Indians fan who became a fan of them after game 1 of the world series.
ChiSoxCity
What is apparent is that a guy like Bryant was deeply offended by the cubs’ decision to demote him for service time. No doubt, his feelings towards Epstein and the front office will be a HUGE factor when Bryant seeks a new contract in free agency. Best case scenario for the team is to see Bryant perform at a MVP-like level the next two seasons, then trade him for prospects.
Djones246890
Stop trying to stir the pot, hillbilly Bridgeport White Underwear fan.
GoSoxGo
What is the basis for your assertion that Bryant is arguably the superior player? It seems to me that all the numbers show the opposite. Bryant is a very good player, to be sure, but Arenado excels in every area. Start with 6 gold gloves and 4 silver slugger awards.
Swinging Friars
And all of that done in the same league as Bryant too! That means that 6 times he was the better defender and 4 times the better hitter for all NL 3b – news flash, Bryant plays in the NL and was beat out by Arenado for each of these awards
Seems like the easiest comp of all time. The big difference here is the marketing machine that is supporting Bryant
stymeedone
I also look at HR/RBI ratio. NA is superior to KB.
punchandjudy
“Bryant is arguably a slightly superior player, after all…”
Arguable for sure. Arenado has him slightly beat in WAR per year, has the longer track record, and isn’t coming off a shoulder problem. And is definitely the better fielder, though Bryant does have positional versatility. And they are less than a year apart in age.
Cubies1986
KB has been a great player early on in his career. He started off hot in 2018 then got injured and wasn’t the same at all. I’m looking for a huge rebound year in 2019. He feels he has something to prove and will start his revenge tour day 1 of the regular season.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Theyll get a deal done next winter. Start at 7.or 8 years. The Cubs will have their TV deal in place. That alone is worth 3.5 billion dollars over like 15 years or so. Plus the Ricketts aside from revenue from the Cubs and all that. They will never stop making money with their father being the founder of TD Ameritrade. If their first offer is 7/250 that’s a better deal than Arenado .. Arenando is the far superior player. Bryant is still a great player. Great clubhouse guy. Great team player.
One Injury filled season doesnt make him overrated as someone had suggested. He’s easily a top 5 third baseman. If rank Bergman and Arenado 1 and 2. Bryant might as well be #3
When you get hit in the head by a 98mph fastball and dont even go down. Thats frickin tough. I was at that game and I was in the mole high bleachers stand up only area in left.
Grizalt
No they won’t. He clearly hasn’t forgotten about the service time manipulation.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
10 days is nothing. And he was mad but he understood the business part of baseball..
Grizalt
10 days may be nothing but a full season isn’t…
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
He’s not as pissed as you think. Scott Boras is the one who is manipulating Bryant. He’s the one who really cares about the 10 days thing.
jdgoat
You do realize that instead of being paid 30 million like he would be in FA, he got paid 500 thousand. Those 10 days are certainly not nothing.
Djones246890
Bryant is overrated, but that doesn’t mean he still isn’t a great player. It just means he’s simply overrated.
Djones246890
In order to command the kind of money that him and Boras will want, Bryant will need to learn how to hit in the clutch. Because, (generally speaking) when the heat is on, and when it really matters, he is nowhere to be found.
Cubies1986
He’s actually been pretty clutch early in his career. 2 walk off Homer’s. Hit a game tieing homer vs the Giants in the playoffs in 2016. Hit 2 huge homeruns in the World series also. Can’t get much more clutch than that. Also came within 2 ft of hitting a go ahead homer in the 10th inning of game 7 vs the Indians. I’d call him clutch when it matters most
Djones246890
His clutch numbers are terrible. Also can easily verify it with the eye-test. I still like him, and am still a fan, but he will need to find the magic again. In the playoffs, he generally withers away.
tenncub
I’m not really sure why, but Bryant has never been one of my favorite Cubs. There’s no denying that he’s good, but Rizzo, Zobrist, Hendricks, Baez and Almora are all a little more to my liking. I think his apparent obsession with the money reminds me a little too much of Samardzija.