Jan. 4: In a full column, Nightengale cites four sources in reporting that Chicago has indeed issued an offer to Machado. However, while there’s no specific dollar amount revealed, he suggests that it’s “likely closer to $200 million than $300 million” in total value.
Meanwhile, Fancred’s Jon Heyman characterizes the Sox as a “long shot” for Harper (Twitter link), perhaps further underscoring that Chicago is more focused on Machado. It’s worth noting, however, that Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times writes that the South Siders’ presentation to Harper “impressed [him] more than he anticipated.”
Regardless, a Machado agreement hardly seems imminent. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes (subscription required) that agent Dan Lozano is “barely engaging” teams on Machado at the moment and is instead “waiting for a team to jump.” The White Sox’ offer, while somewhat of a jump, doesn’t sound the be in the vicinity that most expected Machado to command.
Jan. 3: The White Sox have been frequently linked to both Bryce Harper and Manny Machado this offseason, but USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets that they’re more engaged on Machado at the moment and recently extended a formal offer to the free-agent infielder. The ChiSox has not yet taken that step with Harper, Nightengale adds.
Details of the prospective contract aren’t known, though the very fact that a formal offer has been put forth is nonetheless notable. The White Sox have been motivated all offseason to add some established big league talent to their roster as they look to begin emerging from a rebuild, but to this point, the biggest names they’ve added have been reliever Alex Colome and right-hander Ivan Nova — both via the trade market. Adding Machado to the mix would be a clear signal that the Sox are earnestly attempting to turn the page.
The White Sox, though, have competition for both Harper and Machado, regardless of whether formal offers have been made or not. The Yankees and Phillies are reported to be active pursuers of Machado, while the Dodgers, Nationals, Phillies and Cubs are among the teams most prominently linked to Harper. In that same vein, Nightengale tweets that the Phillies’ signing of David Robertson today will likely turn their focus to both Harper and Machado, and other teams expect Philadelphia to be the high bidder on both free agents.
Similarly, WEEI’s Rob Bradford wrote earlier today that the Phillies’ pursuit of Harper and Machado could impact their approach to addressing the bullpen; Bradford suggested that the Phils, who had interest in Craig Kimbrel, would likely bow out on Kimbrel if they signed Harper or Machado. The fact that the Phillies proactively pursued a more affordable option for the back of their bullpen is of at least some note if there was a sense that they wouldn’t make a play for one of the top two position players and Kimbrel.
ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported yesterday that the White Sox were willing to make an offer of 10 years or more to Harper, though Bruce Levine of CBS Chicago/670 The Score followed that by saying the ChiSox weren’t willing to go beyond seven years for either Harper or Machado. Whatever the White Sox’ threshold is, they’ve apparently made their starting point known to Machado at this point. With Philadelphia having wrapped up some bullpen business earlier today, it stands to reason that they’ll follow suit in the relatively near future as well.
A “formal offer”?
WOW!
B L O C K B U S T E R ! ! ! ! !
Gets sillier by the day.
Hahn & Reinsdorf wore tuxedos
And Benny da bull was wit dem n dat:)
He gone…
Almost as silly has the Royals rebuild taking 2 years. Have a fun time watching “fundamental baseball” for the next 5 years Sammy!
Royals will never ever be good again!
KC will probably see the playoffs again before Chicago even if they sign that pink Machado
KC will probably see the playoffs again before Chicago even if they sign that punk Machado
Explain? The Royals won 58 games last season and they might be even worse this year, especially if they trade Merrifield. They are an absolutely awful team that operates in the dark ages when stolen bases were king and pitchers didn’t strike anybody out. I was ecstatic when they won the WS a few years ago because I love underdog stories, but they are running their team in such a weird way. Terrance Gore on the Major League roster? Really?
Back to back WS visits with a win and they suck? YOU R DRIBBLE
When they trade Whit. It’s not a question of if, its a question of when. The Royals were bad in 2018 and have gotten worse since the season ended. In Las Vegas they are neck and neck with the Orioles for the #1 overall pick in the 2020 draft.
Go chiefs
yeah i kind of agree with the majority here. it was really cool to see the royals make the world series a couple times without having the best roster but lets be honest, they are nooooooo where near a playoff run. at least the whitesox throw money around to have a shot. they still have prospects waiting to develop from the sale deal as well. plus the tigers have been selling off pieces and the indians seem to want to based on the rumors on this site last couple months so id say whitesox have a better shot at making the playoffs than a lot of teams in baseball. including my giants unfortunately
“ Chadie Hustle “
the Al Central was formed in 1994… the royals first made the playoffs from it was 2014… as a WC… in those 20 years they finished 2nd once… 3-5 every other year… don’t hold your breath on them being back in the playoffs anytime soon.
A formal offer carries a lot more impact than a Rumor.
Why do you even come to a rumor site? What are you expecting?
Sammy is a good troll. Honestly not sure if it’s intentional or not but he’s good at it.
“ Chadie Hustle “
I wonder if they bowed and said “M’lady” to Machado’s wife. I mean it IS a formal offer.
While Sox grab Manny
Joey Belle part 2 ?
Wow nice reference and don’t call me Joey
but what does it all mean, basil?
Whoop dee doo…
You meant Mega Whoop Dee Doo Doo.
It means: Is that all you ever think of Sybil, MONEY?!
Actually, …
“Is that all that matters to you, … MONEY?!”
I just don’t see any appeal with going to the White Sox
I love their stadium.
Why?
It’s a nice park; they play in a part of Chicago that is heavily Hispanic (I don’t know how much that matters to Machado, as he is Dominican but was obviously born in America; the Dominican neighborhood in Chicago is on the near Northside ). They have the money and they are rebuilding; they certainly won’t be worse than the Orioles next season. They have a relatively smart front office. He would be the biggest star on the team, which wouldn’t be the case in New York. While the White Sox have been overshadowed by the Cubs lately, they have exactly as many World Series titles in the 2000s and they’ve won as many WS as any team in the Central during that time frame.
Who wouldn’t want to play in a stadium named “Guaranteed Rate Field”?
Cool thank you. Was genuinely curious why he would go… wasn’t trying to take a dig at the Sox.. I am a Mets fan, legit the last person to make fun of another persons fandom lol
If you’re a free agent, you’re not gonna sign to play at NON-guaranteed rate field!
You’re a douche bag.
It’s amazing how many people actually care about the stadium’s name. I can guarantee you that no player gives a crap so long as their checks don’t bounce.
But at least on the northside you will still have your wallet and shoes once it’s all said and done
What neighborhood?
I don’t get it, thought the stadiums were pretty close? Isn’t the stadium near Obama’s house too?
If the White Sox are fortunate to sign both Manny Machado and Bryce Harper this winter, their marketing boss Brooks Boyer will come up with a new ad campaign that will have GRF synonymous for “Guaranteed Runs Field”.
I think they are 8 miles apart but you can have a nice area one block and then a really bad area a couple blocks over
Former President Obama’s Chicago residence is in the Kenwood neighborhood, about 3-1/2 miles southeast of Guaranteed Rate Field.
Well you sir are the racist one as I never once brought race into the conversation. Weak try though
Asians make up the largest demographic in Bridgeport followed by whites then Hispanics. Ive worked in the area for 10 years. I was just curious how haters would respond. Statistically it’s one of the safest neighborhoods in Chicago and is made up of good working class families.
You sound like a guy who has never been there and doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I’ve been a fan for 40 years. Please tell me when a baseball fan was raped there.
I’ve been going for 20+ years and haven’t been raped yet
*fingers crossed*
I’ve never been raped…much less at a baseball game…I may need to look into season tickets
LOL.
Coming from a Cubs fan and their wiener trough! LOL
Oh look, the 8 white Sox fans in the world are upset cuz they just found that their stadium is in the ghetto. Maybe if you guys actually attended your teams games you would know
And I reported you for the “ugly White America” comment which is racist.
And the red arrow points downward which we all know is bad optics. Never embraced the whole selling the naming rights. Cheapens the historic nature of our beautiful game. Hated when Tigers sold their soul to “Comerica Bank” then they skipped out of Detroit to Texas. Why couldn’t they keep the name Tiger Stadium add Deux based on our French heritage? They didn’t sell it for that much money & are they that desperate for money?
They’re too busy getting offended by things online. They should go visit the neighborhood a couple times at night and then say how safe it is. It’s not like the suburbs where they live, where you can walk at night at 3 AM and nothing will happen.
What is the ghetto to you? I bet I already know.
The ghetto to me is the south side of Chicago… where the Sox play
Very true. the stadium is in the Bridgeport neighborhood, which the Daley family has called home for a very long time. The comment that the area is not safe is very untrue. You could be in wrigleyville or Gold Coast, one of the most expensive parts of Chicago, and still get mugged. I went to UIC and lived there my entire college career and that area wasn’t safe til about 15 years ago. The area argument is worn out.
Can’t we all just get along? We’ll enjoy our ghetto, and you guys enjoy boystown. Move along.
You tried to say something funny. It wasn’t. Not many people are laughing. You sound like a scared Kenilworth punk who resorts to insults because all of your other friends who are too scared to go to a game there told you it is ghetto. Why not experience it for yourself before you criticize is it? It’s not BAD. If you already, have why don’t you answer my previous question to you.
*criticize it
*criticize it.
Speaking of idiots…JKB, you should look up the definition of racist before you accuse people of it. You sound like a complete moron
Says the “SoCal” fan. Keep watching your games from California acting like you go to the actual park in Chicago
Dude when was the last time you were in Bridgeport? It’s hipsterville now.
Yeh, right
The only ghetto is the one your opinions live in, the ghetto of ignorance.
Hahahahahahaha
Christ you guys are bigots
The only ghetto is the one my opinions live in…. wow, that hurts.
Lmao I see you are just as stupid as your counterparts on here who claim racism cuz you say a bad area is bad. Clearly the racists are you guys who assume that only certain groups can commit crimes. News flash morons, any race can and I wasn’t referring to a specific one. Smh you guys really are flat out dumb
Only time I’ve been out at 3am in my posh suburb was when I was walking my dog that had diarrhea. We actually got chased by a rabid Raccoon so your argument holds no water..
I’m on your side Grand Wizard Cubguy.
The White Sox play in Bridgeport, which is a mostly middle-class Hispanic neighborhood; used to be more of a white working-class neighborhood before the manufacturing/slaughterhouse jobs disappeared from Chicago. I’ve been to dozens of games there – I lived there during the WS season, and they had 5$ Mondays. I often rode my bike there from my neighborhood on the near-northside. No worries, no fear, no crime. Some white people freak out when they have to go to a neighborhood full of non-white people but the neighborhood isn’t dangerous in the slightest.
Says the guy who’s ballpark is in boyztown. Sounds like you reside in that neighborhood.
Thanks for the info. I’m hoping to finish up my stadium tour this season and CWS are one of the handful I haven’t gotten to yet.
So Bridgeport isn’t as “dangerous” as it once was. Now, it’s “hipsterville?”
There are some who claim gentrification is racist. Just sayin’ …
neighborhoodscout.com/il/chicago/crime
The zip code to look up is 60616.
It’s not one of the lowest crime rate area in Chicagoland.
data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Crimes-Map/df…
link to neighborhoodscout.com
White is the safest and dark blue is the most dangerous. The neighborhood where Guaranteed Rate Field is located is in that dark blue.
neighborhoodscout.com/il/chicago/crime
Wrigleyville
Buy ur Sox tix before they sign Manny.
Sox prices going up!
Cub fans will migrate to 35th and Shields.
Man, are you that dense? I moved here 15 years ago and fly back to Chicago almost every year, and go check out a game at the ballpark EVERY time. You still haven’t answered my question. You’ve only deflected. That says all I need to know about you. Good luck with life!
c-guy13;
c-fans flock to pigley like the Eloi flock to the Morlock cave when the siren blares.
“Good working class families” in Chicago (especially Bridgeport), is a euphemism for “crony who got the job because of a relative or close friend, and has a public pension that is bankrupting the REAL hard working (private sector) workers of Chicago.
Yeah! They took ar Jerbs!
Awesome “time machine” reference
White Sox are equivalent to the “Sky”. What a beautiful metaphor, thank for sharing.
Never been to comiskey but it’s one of the nicer stadiums. As is Petco and safeco. Target field is beautiful as well. All 3 teams dont have much appeal to them other than the stadium..
Padres have just 14 winning records in 50 years, and two others at .500. The three years from 2005-07 mark the only time they’ve had back-to-back winning seasons. A shame. Lovely ballpark, nice city, total ineptitude in the front office. Is it really that hard to be competitive?
The Padres had terrible ownership for years; the Werners. Remember when they let that racist Roseanne Barr “sing” the national anthem? They set the franchise back decades because they kjust treated it like an ATM. Under the current ownership/management group the Padres are finally developing a farm system, drafting better, assembling a team that can win in a pitcher’s park….they have been screwed in the past by bad owners and a somewhat tough situation, in that two of the most well-run and storied franchises in baseball, the Giants and Dodgers, are in the vicinity. But the Padres are on the right track.
Easy there Starbucks. Personal appearance smack isn’t necessarily racist. If Roseanne said the exact same thing about a white person she’d still have a sitcom.
As for the Padres being on the right track I am going to presume you and every other Padres fan said the same thing 5-6 years ago. Questionable spending with Myers and Hosmer already which is a sign of things to come. Just brace for it.
The Padres tried to purposely put their park in the “ghetto”. The argument at the time is that was the thing to do…. Throw a bunch of money at the ballpark, locate it in the worst part of town and call it a face lift for the city
They ended up a few blocks west because the rich folks have too much say in politics… However this “ghetto” argument is really off. No ghetto in the world has a half billion dollar building in the middle of it
SwingingFriars – Do you know where The Forum is located in LA? Ever been there?
Yep, been there many times. Ran down old sports arena. Comparing a privately owned, $16m sports arena to a publicly funded MLB stadium is like comparing Apples to Truffles
Side note – Inglewood is about to have a mega plex and a new basketball stadium. Probably going to change the way that town looks over the next decade
Also, I was mearley pointing to one of the “pro-publicly funded stadium” arguments. They kept saying a new ballpark would magically clean up san diego’s skid row. The reality was they just relocated skid row. I don’t believe the public should pay for stadiums. The owners make plenty of money to build their own. It’s not like they offer a tax payer discount or anything of the sort
That part of Inglewood was not a good place to be, even when Magic was still playing. I agree with most of what you’re saying, but it’s just as much “apples to truffles” to compare what the Forum cost in terms of late 60’s dollars to anything in current dollars.
Easy there Starbucks? Ha. Big words from a fellow who can’t even manage an avatar or use his real name. . And no; the Padres were terrible last year and five years ago too. I hope this rebuild works. As a baseball fan, we get to have hope. They have a good farm and the best bullpen in the majors. They have hired smart people to work in the front office. We will see what happens, but it’s quite better than the crappy teams of the early 2000s
Their division is garbage. They have a ton of money available, and a great farm system. Why not?
They play in a major market (yes, they share it). They have an exciting farm system. They have a ton of money to offer. Manny or Bryce can be the face of a franchise in a major market.
Just because your ole lady left you for a White Sox fan, doesn’t mean you have to hate the team. Give us a try!
Lol I never met a White Sox fan here in NYC. But, could be cool to see either him or Harper there I guess. Just hard to see either of them get a contract close to what they want since the highest contract they ever dished out was 6 years $68 mil.
They’ve had larger contract offers that just weren’t accepted. I don’t understand everyone citing this $68M number like it’s some threshold. At one point in time they also gave out the largest contract in MLB history.
$68M from 1996 equates to $110M now. And in baseball math, that’s probably closer to $150M as teams are making so much more nowadays. Situation and perspective from ownership are also different now (Cubs winning a WS has to be pushing Reinsdorf to win another one before he’s laid to rest).
If he signs there, it will all be about $$. 100%
No matter where he signs, it will be all about the $$$$.
Not when all 2 or more teams make the same offer.
Please bear in mind that some people can see farther than the end of their own noses.
I just made a formal choice to read this article.
Why are the Whitesox’s even bothering? Don’t they know everyone wants to play for the NYY? Just ask Corbin and Robertson….
They both would want to play for them I bet, but ownership claims they’re broke and have no money to spend on winning talent. They need to realize you gotta pay to play.
The Yanks never offered either player. Corbin is a second TJ waiting to happen, You cant throw close to 50% sliders without paying for it. The fact they did not offer DRob after two stints should tell you how they evaluate him.
I love how Yankee hater vacillate from saying we just straight up buy everyone to they cant sign anyone. Which is it?
Harper signs with Dodgers late Feb and Manny signs with Yanks next week.
I’d rather the Sox leave Machado alone and go after Arenado next year or Trout 2021. They’ll have the money to offer 400 million contracts and those two are better players plus they aren’t a-holes.
No guarantee they make FA, both harper and Machado are available right now. Phillies will be in contention for Trout as well. I’d imagine he’d be offered 40-50mil AAV depending on what these guys get
Not to mention Trout loves Philadelphia being a Eagles fan and from New Jersey.
I actually think the Dodgers are gonna pass on Harper, and go for Trout, who knows what playing in Dodger Stadium in front of 50,000 fans every night is like, not to mention playoffs 6 in a row and back-to-back WS. He probably loves playing in the weather of SoCal and the Dodgers have the money to sign anybody. In the meantime, Dodgers trade for Kluber, and if they do sign Harper, make it 2 years for 75 mm with an opt out after 1 for Harper, in case he doesn’t get what he wants this year and would like to re-establish value and try again next year for the record contract he wants
I doubt Trout’s going anywhere.
The Yankees will land 3B Nolan Arenado next winter.
The Phillies will sign CF Mike Trout in two years.
The White Sox will sign 3B Kris Bryant in three years, to join his BFF Bryce Harper and play along SS Manny Machado.
I think the Cubs would pay Bryant a billion dollars before they let him move to the South side.
Nah, they’ll need those billions for Baez and Schwarber, not to mention keeping some in reserve as they continue to try and sell off Jason Heyward’s contract before it finally expires.
The Cubs aren’t that dumb to let KB walk. They have yet to make him an offer to extend him. He’ll make close to 14mil in his arb case. And he’ll win the case ans avoid arbitration. Baez will get a nice raise a well as the real mvp will get at least 10 mil… winter 2019 they extend rizzo as well.
The Cubs made an extension offer to Bryant already. He declined, as was expected.
10 years
33 mil for 4 years with opt out
28 mil for next 3 years with opt out
25 mil for final 3 years
For total 291 mil
I don’t think that gets it done, giving those parameters. As a Phillies phan, Id be more worried if you pushed the AAV to 40mil. I think the Phillies can easily top 33mil AAV from what we’ve heard around here, from legit sources. Also, That contract doesn’t break any records either, which apparently is needed to play anywhere other than baseball’s oasis 🙂 – I kid, I like NY, but the hyperbole is getting out of hand.
I say your real close.
Good Job..
That’s a great initial offer and I hope your numbers and opt out years are accurate!
That’s a great initial offer and I hope your numbers and opt out years are accurate!
What did you guys have for breakfast? I had bacon and eggs. That’s my breaking news today
Don’t you mean it’s your bacon news for the day?
I had oatmeal with ground cinnamon and fresh blueberries. Then again, I usually have that every day.
What kind of wimp eats ground cinnamon? Be a man and eat the sticks.
I thought formal offers were supposed to be in before Christmas & he’d decide early January. Are they late?
is that regarding Manny’s comments?
You didn’t realize two weeks ago that Machado was full of it? Wow, your’e the only one.
Formal aka “we are pretty sure they made an offer but can’t confirm”
That guess work though
I believe a formal offer means a contract has been sent to the commissioners office.
A formal offer means paperwork. It’s a lot different than just talking. It’s a lot difference than just rumors.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think anything goes to the commish until a deal is agreed upon…
Formal just means that a written offer was given to Manny and/or his agent…
Need a closer and want Harper? Why not Hunter Strickland? He’ll keep Bryce’s ego in check. Next best thing to Pap.
The other day it was reported all 3 teams made formal offers. Today heyman says the Phillies and Yankees have made no offers yet and now the white sox have made an offer.
Can these reporters get on the same page.
I’ve never read a Formal Offer has been made by the Yankees or Phillies?
Unless I’m mistaken, a formal offer means paperwork has been sent to the commissioners office.
Does the commissioner need to keep track of contracts that aren’t accepted?
You are mistaken. Formal offer means an offer was made to the player and/or his agent. The only time paperwork goes to the commissioner’s office is when both sides agree to the deal.
Manny just using the White Sox so he can get a better offer from the Yanks. Happens every year. Nobody wants to go play for WS unless they don’t have a choice.
I think White Sox get Machado for 7 years with opt out after 4 years. I think Harper goes to Dodgers or Phillies for around same 7-8 years with opt out after 4 years (if signing with Philly) and Harper gets higher AAV.
Dodgers let 85 homers go with Puig Kemp and Machado. Not to mention 20 more with Grandal. They are going big on somebody
Says the dodgers fan
StealYoBase … RightOffYoHead
Like the Grateful Dead pun
All those HRs were filled already. Grandal’s are the only ones needing replacement. As a Dodger fan you should know that. We have depth.
This has been a slow off season for all these reporters… they have to keep all of you engaged. So they have to introduce perception vs. reality
The Dodgers are hanging back waiting for Harper to get an offer. They aren’t going to bid against themselves.
Please end this.
Maybe build a WALL?
Machado will sign with the White Sox and Harper will be a Dodger.
yes to the sox… no to the dodgers
Nope.. why would Machado agree to lose a 3rd of this contract. If it’s a 9 year deal they are guaranteed to lose the first 3 years. If its 6 year deal. It’s a losing contract for half the deal. Unless its 5 year deal with an opt out after 2 and an 3 year option if he doesnt opt out. The 3 year option is an automatic extension for another 150 mil 5/160 with an opt out after 2 years. With he gets the 3 year opt in that’s a potential deal of 310/8 for 38.75 AAV
That’s been my thinking for much of the off-season, though it sounds like WAS is back in it. Personally, I’d much rather have Machado because he has the higher floor. Bryce has had some great seasons and multiple mediocre seasons. I’d be worried that Harper is more Scottie Pippen than Michael Jordan. I don’t care about the lack of hustle stuff with Machado because almost every player takes plays off during the season. I think both guys can cover their contracts, but I’d be much more comfortable betting on Machado to produce at an elite level more consistently and longer than Harper.
Please Yankees don’t sign Manny
Sheesh imagine is the White Sox sign Manny? They seemed like real long shots
They still are long shots. If it wasnt for javy Baez. The Cubs would have a better chance over the white Sox
I want the yanks to snag manny and take care of other things while they wait on his decision. I’m surprised it’s dragged for this long. We are in January already !!
How snagging better starting pitching? You’re still just a wild card team with Manny.
*How about
We have one of the best rotations 1-5 in the league and only the blind don’t see that ! The only reason we were a wild card team last year despite wining 100 games is because the Red Sox had an incredible season
As for team needs your team needs to snag everything lmao
Yep, best wild card team money and “favors” can buy.
Yankees only dream they had best rotation 1-5 in the league they are 5th best in the AL! Cleveland Boston Houston Tampa all have better starting 5 what are you smoking?
I’m sure they made just the right offer that he won’t accept. Like I said before the White Sox are the biggest pretenders this off season.
Why do you say that? No one knows anything about who offered what. I trust that Hahn is doing everything he can to make the best pitch to both of them. If they don’t sign them and made a concerted effort to do it, that’s fine, make a run at arenado, and sale next year.
Because he’s probably a Cubs fan.
I know nothing about them or their relationship, but to hear Yonder Alonso talk, it seems like their wives (who are sisters, I presume since Machado and Alonso are brother-in-laws) are very close.
If that’s the case, don’t sleep on the White Sox.
Snore.
Get that Narcolepsy checked out, bro.
Yonder’s sister is married to Manny.
The only thing more pathetic than the White Sox is the Marlins clutching on to Realmuto like he’s the second coming of Christ. Trade the guy already and get what you can get you’re not going to win so what’s the point of keeping the guy in Miami?
I dunno. I think a troll who has to take a steaming dump in the message string of a favorable report about the White Sox is a lot more pathetic.
Yeah.
While you’re at it, tell Bezos to just give all his money to me.
Im a White Sox fan but I gurantee you that neither Machado or Harper will sign with the White Sox I have made a promise to my fiancee saying if neither sign ill run butt naked in lakeshore drive
Hey we got a Lakeshore Drive in the Birmingham Alabama metropolis. If y’all is like ours then that would be pretty insane.
But they don’t allow trucks on LSD.
What?
The OP contradicts himself. Must be the leftover eggnog.
Please, please, please, someone blow away whatever offer the Yankees have made to Machado. Yanks don’t need Machado. Use that money next year on Cole. Machado didn’t put the Dodgers over the top, and he won’t put the Yanks over the top.
A sensible Yankees fan? I thought I’d seen everything.
Foxsports is reporting Manny is leaning towards accepting the White Sox offer. nbcchicago.com/news/local/manny-machado-leaning-to…
As a Yankee fan, I pray this is true!
I read the thread…looks strong…hope it’s wrong…I wanna see him in Philly
is the “someone close to free agent infielder” in the article closer than “A former teammate/friend of Machado”.
It was less than a week ago that it was reported that Manny had decided on the Yankees, guaranteed by a close friend and he would announce it early Jan.
Same report also said that all 3 teams had submitted formal offers at that time.
Which friend is right?
Good for Manny & Chicago if he signs.
He’ll definitely need a “Stalker Clause” in his contract otherwise Hawk will “mysteriously” show up everywhere lol
Blah Blah Blah, I said it 2 months ago, then a month ago and now today. Harper to the Dodgers, Manny to Philly. There’s a reason that the Sox have never signed a proven stud FA in their prime, no one wants to play for that organization and constantly be backpage to the Northsiders. Not to mention, this is the same clueless, inept front office that so poorly evaluated their own talent when claiming to be “All In” 4 years ago only to end up with a worse record than teams ACTIVELY tanking. If we all know that, these players and their reps certainly know that. They’re just trying to create buzz in the hopes that their dwindling fanbase will buy season tickets. Not happening.
This too shall pass, ccccubfans.
Lot of hot air vitriol, zero substance.
The White Sox haven’t signed a proven stud FA in their prime? I think you are being a little harsh. It is a little thin, but the same is true with a lot of teams. Carlton Fisk signed his first 5 free agent contracts with the White Sox. Frank Thomas signed his first free agent contract with the White Sox. Albert Belle was pretty good when he signed with them, as was Jermaine Dye. And what about Jose Abreu? Plenty of others I have missed.
None of this is relative.
Relativity is relevant.
They drafted the Big Hurt, I know it’s hard to conceive the Sux drafting someone that didn’t turn into a bust. Abreu was not a “proven ML free agent”, he was an international signing in which the Sux outbid the Rockies for him. Albert… Joey Belle or whatever his name is was literally crazy, but technically he counts as a legit FA in his prime, when was that? 20+ years ago. Griffey, Thomas, Raines we’re desperate publicity stunts for players WAAAAAY past their primes.
They signed Albert Belle in his prime. Making him the highest paid player in the league.
While they are the same front office individual wise, completely different mindset. Hahn has been wanting to due the re-build since he got the job but couldn’t til He convinced Jerry that it was the right move. He is doing it correctly. Hahn was a sought after GM candidate for years and he is showing why.
I had a talk recently with a buddy and heir to a fine set of north side season tickets. I asked him if the bullpen dance party thing is a new Cub tradition?
He said yes.
So that means forever?
He said…
Yes.
It’s An offer,that’s all! They have to want to go to Chicago and that’s a BIG IF, I say Pawn!
You got issues dude.
@img offer yes but to sign someone you have to you know … try ? I don’t know where he is going but you can’t say someone is NEVER signing somewhere
I’m Just real,to be honest I hope he goes to the White Sox it would be good for Baseball to see them back on the map but I think he wants to be West and it’s Boras job to see to that so to get others involved are his benefit.
……And Manny wants the bright lights of ny and to face his former team
Honestly, Machado strikes me as a very selfish player who once he gets paid, will slack off and just not care. If he will make comments about not hustling while he’s in the playoffs in a contract year nonetheless, imagine what he does when he’s got financial security in a long term commitment.
He’s going to be expected to be a leader on the young Sox team and I don’t know if he is going to be such a great role model for the guys coming up. Let alone the amount of money he will cost.
Only Latino players are called lazy, sigh the stereotype never ends smh. Cano was always called lazy because he never dove for ground balls but he didn’t need to !! Unlike Pedroia/altuve he is much taller than them and has always had more range
I agree Yankeepatriot. Latino players are frequently called lazy and selfish in the comments section of sports blogs and websites.
You don’t get that good by being lazy period. Jhonny hustle comments or not. Heck wasn’t Harper benched for not running hard before ? That isn’t talked about
But only Latinos can be lazy ….
There is a big difference with some not running a play out once and getting disciplined for it and someone actually proclaiming that they are not gonna hustle. Stop yourself about the Latino comments
And not only that, but because the sport is so homogenized in so many ways, any time a Latino player actually plays with emotion (good god — not that) or with an individual identity, they get called all kinds of horrible things. It is the uniformity that is killing the popularity of baseball. More Manny Machados in the sport would boost its popularity.
The only difference between Machado and 95+% of non-rookies is that he was dumb enough to say that out loud. Show me someone that runs full speed on every ball they put in play, and I’ll show you someone that’s likely fighting for a roster spot. There are very, very few exceptions.
Machado clarified his comments about not wanting to fake hustle (eyewash). Prior to this offseason, site one comment about him being lazy or lacking in hustle.
He is a generational player as a free agent at 26, that does not happen often. When it does, teams with no chance of signing them (and their fans) find holes in their game. Kinda like that hot chick that turned you down, now she is not hot anymore.
Cubguy13….”There is a big difference with some not running a play out once ”
Really? He, BH, has been called out publicly or benched by every manager he has played for, for not hustling, including this past July. People just choose to ignore it.
I would want no part of a player in his prime that literally admits that he has no desire to hustle. That bush league antic with Aguilar didn’t help either. He’ll sign w/ Philly and that fanbase will end up booing him worse than they did Santa Clause.
Santa Clause…I saw that movie. Tim Allen puts on the suit and becomes Santa Claus.
Do you think Manny will be treated better than Cubs fans treated Steve Bartman?
Oh he clarified them.. you mean after his agent told him to do so cuz he is hurting his value? Have fun with that signing if it happens. 3-4 months and Sox fans will be livid that they are overpaying for a guy who doesn’t care anymore. Or maybe not. And trust me, I’m thrilled the Cubs aren’t going to sign him. I’d rather go after Arenado or stay as is than waste money on him.
I’d pay Manny $300M to moonwalk to first base before I’d touch that Heyward contract. I hope you enjoy attracting all those “big free agents.”
Harper was criticized for being lazy for a long time after that benching.
Brandon Nimmo
In my experience, Latino/Hispanic folk are on average the hardest-working, most reliable folk on the planet.
People quick to embrace and espouse the negative stereotypes can’t admit to being bested.
Exactly. Its just racism, not surprisingly from a Cubs fan. It’s starts with ownership of that organization and trickles down to their fans.
Yep, Cubs fans have some interesting thoughts about race and class.
Awww still upset that you guys are the ugly stepchild of Chicago? I heard Gary, Indiana is looking for a team… bums
I heard that Rickets and his buddy Trump are looking at a new logo. It’s two C’s crossing each other backwards, or so they say. Mostly it just looks like a swastika.
I’m sorry but Cano wasn’t called lazy because he didn’t dive for balls.He was called lazy because he ran nothing out. It was commented on in the papers and broadcasts constantly.Michael Kay even mentioned in one broadcast that Cano had been spoken to about it by Yankee management and he refused to change. This was not a latino issue,it was a lack of hustle issue.Things like bat flips and whether or not they’re are showing up other players are a cultural difference. runiung out batted balls is good baseball whether you’re latino african american asian or white
And Joe Mauer often didn’t run out ground balls. People might have grumbled, but no one ever called him lazy. Same is true with Brian Dozier, and he is considered one of the hardest workers in the game.
One doesn’t reach the majors by being lazy. These players work harder than the “working stiffs” who call them such names. Does anyone see the irony in a beer belly sitting in front of the TV calling world-class athletes lazy? Dude, if you weren’t so lazy, you wouldn’t be a burger flipper.
Yes, lazy and “moody.” Remember how Roberto Clemente was characterized as being moody? This nonsense has never ended.
Colby Rasmus was lazy. Not latino.
Matt Harvey has also had his share of laziness. Also not latino.
This isn’t a race/prejudice issue. Stop making this into one.
Good opportunity for Machado. Sox need help on left side of infield. He will like the ballpark and could develop into a team leader. However, let’s go for 6 or 7 years tops.
Whomever signs Harper or Machado is going to be saddled with a contract that will restrict them from building a real winner. Longterm pricey contracts rarely work if ever.
This is not really true at all unless you are a penny pinching team like the pirates
YankPat;
Don’t you mean a million-dollar-pinching team?
Amazing how quick some folk are to judge how others live.
It’s just the facts. The pirates don’t invest enough into their team and pocket revenue sharing money and have done it since its inception. They aren’t they only team to do this either. Over the last 30 or so years they have been in the post season twice which is horrible no matter how you spin it. Their great fans deserve better
And every small market team in the league has the yankees to thank for their inability to keep their own players on the roster.
So I”m sure you can point out all the big free agent signings the Yankees have made in recent years that have hurt small market teams. Really Chisox I want to know. I’m tired of people attacking the Yankees with no facts to back it up. Our infield no fas.Our of no fas Our catcher not an fa. I’m waiting for the answer.
The Cubs, Dodgers, Astros… have no problem attracting FAs and/or keeping their own.
I feel bad for Pirates fans as well. Can’t blame it on market size, either. The Mets and White Sox have historically done the same thing
Reason 1: The NYY are the sole reason there’s no salary cap.
Reason 2: The Yankees routinely spend 3x more than small market teams on payroll, most of used to overspend on star players from other teams.
Reason 3: Revenue sharing is just hush money to keep the other owners quiet about a salary cap. Nobody even knows where this money goes, but my best guess is straight into owner’s pockets.
Bryzzo, it’s sad that you think that, considering the cornball FAs the Cubs have wasted millions on. Other than Lester, the Cubs FAs are a joke.
Same deal with the “luxury tax”. Where does it go? Who the hell knows.
ChiSoxCity……………
“Same deal with the “luxury tax”. Where does it go? Who the hell knows.”
ARTICLE XXIII—Competitive Balance Tax
H. Uses of Competitive Balance Tax Proceeds
(2) 2017–21 Competitive Balance Tax Proceeds
(a) The first $13 million of proceeds collected for each Contract
Year shall be used to defray the Clubs’ funding obligations arising
from the Major League Baseball Players Benefit Plan Agreements.
(b) 50% of the remaining proceeds collected for each Contract
Year, with accrued interest, shall be used to fund contributions to the
Players’ individual retirement accounts, as provided in the Major
League Baseball Players Benefit Plan Agreements.
(c) The other 50% of the remaining proceeds collected for each
Contract Year, with accrued interest, shall be provided to Clubs that
did not exceed the Base Tax Threshold in that Contract Year.
mlbplayers.com/pdf9/5450407.pdf
Reading is your friend.
ChiSoxCity……”The NYY are the sole reason there’s no salary cap.” Try reading about the history of any proposed cap before spouting off. MLBPA rejected a cap and always will.
“Revenue sharing is just hush money to keep the other owners quiet about a salary cap. Nobody even knows where this money goes, but my best guess is straight into owner’s pockets.”
Here….read…I’ll give you a hint….ARTICLE XXIV—The Revenue Sharing Plan Page 130
mlbplayers.com/pdf9/5450407.pdf
Something tells you won’t understand it but try anyway
Who is taking less money to play for the Cubs?
Lester certainly didn’t. They gave him the third highest AAV at the time, and they had to outbid the Red Sox by $20M.
Heyward took less overall money than the Cards offered, but he did it because of the opt-outs.
Chapman bailed as soon as he could to go back to the Yankees.
Darvish? The only teams “contending” for him with the Cubs were the Brewers and Twins. Congrats.
And for some odd reason they decided to severely overpay Tyler Chatwood.
Also, didn’t Jesse Chavez say he’d retire if the Cubs didn’t resign him? Even he didn’t take a discount to stay with the Cubs.
So where are all these big free agent signings that flock to the north side because it’s such a great destination?
Cat Mando, read that years ago genius. Still doesn’t answer the question. “50%” goes to the clubs, and what do they do with it?
Cat, something tells me you’re not seeing the big picture here. Small market clubs are forever pushing the reset button due to lack of revenues. So it’s painfully obvious these teams aren’t investing these residuals back into roster salaries, and I doubt that was ever the intent. It’s hush money for the owners to accept the current economic system in the MLB (vastly favors big market clubs) and live with it.
ChiSoxCity….”Still doesn’t answer the question. “50%” goes to the clubs, and what do they do with it?”
You were dropped on your head a lot weren’t you?
BoSox $11,951,091
Nats $2,386,097
Total $14,337,188
Since ” The first $13 million of proceeds collected for each Contract
Year shall be used to defray the Clubs’ funding obligations arising
from the Major League Baseball Players Benefit Plan Agreements.’ that leaves $1,337,188. 50% of that is $668,594 divided among 28 teams is $23,878.3571429. You may be on to something here. What are those teams doing with all of that money? Hmmmmm? A little less than $24,000 to each team…maybe the re-tiled the corporate bathroom floors?
Despite what Alex Jones may tell you the MLBPA has some oversight too of revenue sharing. If the money is not being used as clubs stated they would when submitting their requests (which is required and reviewed by MLBPA) the MLBPA can take action. Oh wait….they have.
Now you can rest easy and go outside and look for those phantom black helicopters or maybe analyze some chem-trails before attending a meeting of the NWO under Denver I’ntl Airport..
Have a fun adventurous day….don’t forget your coat and mittens.
I see you’ve climbed down the proverbial rabbit hole. Think you can find some small market accounting ledgers while you’re down there? Oh, and Trump’s income taxes for the last 20 years. K, thanks.
“I see you’ve climbed down the proverbial rabbit hole.”….
No rabbit hole where I live, just realism devoid of abundant skepticism and conspiracy theories.
How’s the weather over there?
Come on ChiSox, really? Just Lester? Hmmm, how about the 2016 WS MVP? Zobrist? Ring a Joey Belle? How about the FIVE consecutive 1st round picks that ALL contributed to the ring and are not “prospects” but part of their championship core STILL under team control for years to come? How about the trades for Arrieta, Hendricks, Strop, Edwards, etc… for NOTHING. There’s a reason why Theo&Co is regarded as one of the best front offices by many experts, those that actually get paid for their opinions. You know better, I know you do.
Cubs 3rd largest revenue, Dodgers 2nd largest revenue. Astros 6th largest revenue. You just made his point for him.
Who am I missing among those first round picks that ALL contributed, and are the core and “not prospects”?
Yes, we all know about Bryant, Baez, Schwarber, and Happ … that’s 4. Were you counting Pierce Johnson, Paul Blackburn, or Albert Almora as the fifth guy?
yankpat;
Yes, the Yinzers do deserve better.
Always been a closet Bucs fan due to Mazeroski, Stargell, Clemente, et. al.
Yep. Gonna be quite something in 2021 when Mike Trout is playing elsewhere and the Angels still have Albert Pujols.
If you are a team that’s close to winning and you are a LF or 3B or DH away, you sign them. But, if it were me the offer would be 8-yrs, $250 with a $25-mil option that kicks in if….
A) You win a WS the first 5 years, or
B) You make the postseason 3 out of the the first 6 years.
The White Sox are the team that can sign both players, which I got crucified for saying a few months back. They have the cap room, they can build around Moncada, Anderson and Abreu. They can even spend on an arm (Kuechel) and potentially an OF (Pollock). It wouldn’t take much to win the AL Central. It’s the weakest division in baseball. Chisox would be contenders beginning in 2019 and continue to be for a few years.
Atlanta should be on Harper. They aren’t and I’m not surprised.
Hurry up.
People are dying on Twitter, Manny.
The reactions will be amusing if the Sox sign one or both of these guys.
Gonna be fun when they do.
“The Sox had to pay X amount more than the Yankees were willing to offer to get him.”
“X teams fans didn’t really want him anyways.”
“He’s not even good.”
“LOLOLOLOL OVERPAY LOLOLOLOL”
“That contract is an albatross.”
I’m sure I’m missing some, but I think that’s a decent start.
Great start. Another one is “He must not want to win”
Always ends with…
“We have 27 rings. How many do you have?”
The division they are in only needs a very good team, not great team to win it. If they win and get on a hot streak anything can happen in post season baseball. I’m a Cardinals/ Royals fan but if the Whitesox spend a little money they will be dangerous!
Where can post a comment that Boras will never read!!!
The White Sox are still a major league team? Who knew? I thought they went single A and were renamed the “Canaryville Inbreds.”
Good thing cubs fans got jokes. You’re gonna need them when the Brewers and Cardinals hand you your ass this year.
I am sure Manny wants to play in front of those massive opening day crowds on south side
considering they sell out Opening Day….
19k a game on the South Side. 19k more per game in Wrigleyville. Both pale to the 42k per game for the Yankees and 47k per game for the Dodgers. Fans don’t show up to see White Sox games.
baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2018-misc.shtml
Guaranteed Rate Field holds 40,615.
ballparksofbaseball.com/ballparks/guaranteed-rate-…
For their home opener in 2018 the attendance was 33,318. Not close to a sell out.
baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA201804050.shtm…
5 days later – si.com/mlb/2018/04/10/white-sox-rays-low-attendanc…
974 people in the stands.
These boys town losers are just being trolls. I don’t blame them, their northsider lives are boring. When I read a headline and it starts with Cubs, I move on to the next headline because that’s not worth my time to read articles and post comments about a team I don’t like. Apparently cubs trolls don’t work the same way. And I like how he tries to back up from the racism remarks but he clearly knows deep down he meant it exactly that way. Quit giving this northside hitler any further satisfaction.
The most annoying thing about northside fans is their sense of entitlement. Same goes for the fans of several East Coast teams, et. al.
All fan bases have a few of these types, and it happens with all varieties and levels of sports fans. But when it becomes pervasive within a given fan base, it escalates from being mildly amusing to being downright irritating.
Your comments are the epitome of profundity and truth. I would add… many people are jerks because of their parents. They simply aren’t taught respect for others.
True dat. It’s a vicious cycle.
If anything, they’ve been taught or conditioned to be disrespectful to, and exploitive of others.
I’d rather see ‘em than be ‘em.
Machado hit into 26 double plays last year. That is a lot of rally killers. He also looked bad in the postseason. He potentially can be more like the 2017 version statistically than the 2018 version or worse for the rest of his career. He has an attitude problem. How much is this player worth to you? NO WAY should any team with 1/2 a brain offer more than 30 million per year. Absolute max deal should be 8 years, 240 million with player opt outs at years 3 and 6, club option at year 7.
Machado didn’t look bad in the post-season. He led the Dodgers in RBI. If you are basing your opinion on such a small sample size of at bats, it is a good thing you don’t make MLB personnel decisions. Attitude problem? Based on what? Because he is not one of those little white false hustle guys. I am a Dodger fan and will say this: No Machado in 2018, no post-season. The reason the Dodgers aren’t interested in bringing him back is Seager’s return and Turner already being at 3B. There is no need. But he will have a major impact wherever he signs, and will instantly become the team’s best player (Yankees included). And before you suggest Aaron Judge, I will remind you that Machado has never struck out more than 120 times. Judge fanned 208 times as rookie and 152 times in a second year in which he missed 50 games. Machado can also play THE premium infield position of SS or be a Gold Glover at 3B. He is also just three months older than Judge.
Based on his performance, age and premium position, Manny should be able to top Stanton’s contract. I’d be surprised if he gets less than $325mil
I agree…that and most likely more…
Well at least they were at the table and made an offer…26 other teams are crying poor. Now we’ll see if its all about “show me the money” or does he care about the fit.
And yet the Mariners (for example) are a top 10 revenue team. Go figger.
A team’s management and financial goals often have less to do with winning baseball games than we think.
The Mariners revenue is 14th. Not top 10.
forbes.com/mlb-valuations/list/#header:revenue_sor…
Heyman said – today – on MLB Now, that they were top 10. He’s not usually somebody I’m anal enough to fact check.
Apparently, you are. ‘Cuz it makes such a difference.
Machado’s post season antics have cost him tens of millions of dollars. Yankee fans are in denial about Hal Steinbrenner pursuit of him.
He could fall to the Yankees, but he’d have to fall to them. The Yankees are not pursuing him.
If they weren’t pursuing him then why are they making him an offer ? That makes 0 sense
You believe the Yankees have made him an offer? The Agent would like you to believe that,
One of us will see.
All that talent … but I don’t think I’d want him on my team anymore than I’d want a PED user. Of all places to not hustle and act like a punk, he does it in The World Series? With his team down?
No thanks. Of course, that’s easy for me to say since there’s no way the Padres would ever be in on him, but still.
The yankeees have put time into trying to bring machado here and not to mention di di’s future here is uncertain after 2019 so he makes even more sense to acquire
So, … I assume you’ve never made a mistake in life? Never grew past it and became a better person?
I bow to your greatness.
Hmmm. Pete “Charlie False Hustle” Rose ruins Ray Fosse’s career in an exhibition game and it is good hard, baseball. Latino guy slides hard into second base and he’s a punk. I wonder why that is?
Jimsouls-
You can’t make that case. You’re just trying to knee-jerk the race card. Pathetic.
But, since you only came up with one example, how about … Not one, but two instances of going after the first baseman … turning a ball off the wall into a single. In the WORLD SERIES!!
I haven’t seen a single person even remotely connected to a baseball franchise say they frankly care about his ‘antics’, so I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that statement is false.
Then you weren’t paying attention. Even Cashman said he was “concerned” and would like to talk to Machado before they made any decisions on whether or not to go after him.
Gosh, to be in a position where I bicker between $200 million or $300 million…. I envy that. I bicker over a 3-5% raise most years on a very avg salary lol
Unless your job is also your passion, maybe its time to pursue a new way to make money.
White Sox offer is 5 years 200 million 40 mill AAV ?
As a White Sox fan, that sounds fantastic to me.
I agree
Not to be mean, but let’s face it, the White Sox have not signed a major FA in decades for a reason, it’s simply not a desirable place to play.
Easy assumption to make if you know next to nothing about the city or the team. They haven’t signed a major FA because Jerry Reinsdorf (owner of the Bulls and White Sox) is tight when it comes to player contracts. The guy is 80+, so I’m hoping the team is eventually sold to someone more competent (and not so risk averse).
But he did help bring 7 championships to the city.
Chicago is not a desirable place to play? Based on what?
Any team that gets Manny for less that 300 M is making a great deal
As Hawk often said, any top-salaried guy who performs up to expectations is a bargain.
My guess 7-225/250…. purely speculation, But I’ve been thinking it’s going to b around 7-275 is what he signs for and Harper 8-325. Not the big big paydays people were projecting. But still about 40mill a year.
Going out on a limb and predicting the offer was 7/$238 MM with opt outs after seasons 2 and 3 and 2 option years.
I think you could be close, but I don’t think they’d give him an opt-out after year 2. I think they’d go year 3 at the earliest. The Sox won’t realistically have a chance at the playoffs until 2020, so I don’t see them letting him walk after 1 “useful” year. If it’s after year 3, they’ll have him for at least 2 potential playoff runs, and he’ll still be able to hit free agency at 29 if he wants. I also think the AAV might push up closer to $40M per if they’re going to convince him to take a shorter deal.
I could see that. Opt outs after years 3 and 4 then. Otherwise they are going to have to go to 10 years and $330-350 million range.
Would there also be a full/limited no trade clause?
Betting it was $210MM for 7 years. Which would be $30MM annually.
$300mil for 10 years contract should be about right. Anything less will likely to hold out as long as he gets his wish.
I really hope Machado signs with the Phillies but I still think he ends up with the Yanks.
Here’s a rumor, Manny Machado is going to sign a huge contract with the New York Yankees! Really lets get real and be logical here for once. He’s not going to sign with a White Sox team that won’t be a contender for at least 2 to 3 years and He definitely hates Philadelphia and would probably say as much if he didn’t have to be PC. So it’s just another day of prolonging the inevitable! He’s going to sign with the Yankees. Like it hate it nobody cares but that should be the end of it.
I know for a fact, because I have a kid that plays professionally, that the Latins DO play a different brand of baseball. The nastiness that Machado displayed, according to my son, is what we “catch.” There’s a lot we don’t catch. He says it’s just their style of play. I do like when a player has “personality” in a game a/k/a fire. And there are plenty of guys that play with it. But you don’t have to be a d-bag to play with fire. Hustle should be the norm. But for a lot of guys, once they get that pay-day, lo and behold, the fire is out.
Machado was raised in Miami, so that excuse doesn’t cut it.
Oh, so he’s just a punk ass. OK.